Makoto is my favorite fighting game character because of how she tips the strike/throw dynamic on its head. Giving her the opportunity to get an attack's worth of follow up off her command throw means "take the throw" is actually really bad advice against her, and opponents are always forced to play the 50/50 as though both outcomes are the same. In that way, she's kinda the truest half-grappler in fighting games, because she gets identical reward off of a command grab vs off of a strong hit, and is equally incentivized to go for either option
@@videoclunk4731 what???? dude I was literally her age (in SF4) when I first started playing her and fell in love with her, and she's an adult in third strike anyways
I don't play grapplers, but one time I was messing around with Jack-O against my buddy in Strive, and upon stealing a round with Forever Elysion Driver I felt a strange rush I had never experienced in a fighting game before
Even though I don't really play him anymore, Potemkin will always have my heart for being the character that got me into fighting games. Seeing videos of people getting rolled by multiple busters, or heat knuckle wall breaks really hyped me up and was the final push for me to start playing. He was the character i won my first few celestial challenges with in the early months of ggst and I doubt I would be playing these games at all without him. He also opened up the gateway into heavyweights in general which i stay true to maining Goldlewis, learning Bedman?, robot in yomi, and undecided between starting with Marissa or Zangeif when sf6 drops.
Potemkin was also my gateway into Goldlews after seeing how unfavourable it is for Potemkin. It’s also funny how you can put amor on every thing when playing the robot in yomi
@@typhoonbh im mad that people like guilty gear its fucking ugly half made and all the players have deep seated mental issues. are you mad one person doesnt like potemkin?
its like you will put up with anything as long as you dont have to put your own work in and can just suck dick in discord and get the op tech on day 1, (0 intention of playing in tournament), 1 so u can exclusively use it on new players because you fucking dodge everyone your level or higher
I think Tekken really diversified the simple rock paper scissors of attack,block or throw with throw breaks and chickens basically making it so every action has a possible counter but there's still benefit to performing the action even if it's just to gain a positional advantage. Tekken seems to have introduced comboing FROM a throw instead of always used having been comboing into a throw as well. Although sometimes they take it too far with things like Marduk's tackle which is basically a just frame 50/50 that will kill you if used in the right combo
Yeah Tekken throws are a whole different world, its cool that some throws have multiple throw breaks so that it isn't over if you miss once. Also the takedown mechanic is cool too.
Not every action has counter. Generic df1 into sidestep is i13 mid and -1 on block, makes enemy's jab whiff and too fast to be countered with homing move, you can just block homing and take the turn. Only possible option is mirror-sidestep on hard read and hope enemy whiffs. And it counters only df1 -> df1, there is unlimited options with df1 -> highcrush low CH launcher or df1 -> sidestep -> df1 -> sidestep loop that just bullies Kazuya, or df1 -> homing. And you are afraid of challenging enemy on -1 because those filthy frauds with generic df1 also has low CH hit confirmable launchers. Brainded stupid womans like Kazumi, Josie, Nina, Anna, Julia, Lidia, Miguel, Feng, Claudio, Lars, Lee.
@@typhoonbhit is, i love tekken throws and especially king, prolly the most grappler grappler to ever grappler As for tackles, maybe theyd be funny ton use at some point in other games
But do throws in Tekken even work? I watched a Rooflemonger video on Virtua Fighter and in one of the comments, he said that he prefers VF and DoA over Tekken because throws are actually useful in the former two.
@@Maver1ck101 throws in tekken work depending on game, if its any game before 7, then its a really harsh execution check, in 7, they work fairly well online unless youre fighting very experienced players Otherwise, king and armor king have throws with different breaks but with the some animation, so with certain set ups its literally a guess into a lot of dmg n oki I never played VF or DoA so i dont know how they work
Author most likely already know this but for those who don't, only Strive grabs are 2 frame. Older GG games had frame 0-1 grabs (so like SF2), meaning that being in close range to oponent at any time was dangerous. Pressure and oki had to be altered to avoid this. Grabs also had built in OS's with buttons like 6P but this was usually character specific
I distinctly remember one day I had a bunch of extra time in class, so I downloaded Fantasy Strike on the computer. The game where you tech throws by doing nothing. I throw looped like 5 people.
Seeing that intro (featuring my favorite grappler) reminds me of perhaps the most horrifying hard read RPS I seen. Cowboy: Jumps to avoid Bounds Check Robot with 7 bars: *hippity hoppity your win is my property.* For the non hustlers, Robot’s “KILL PROCESS” command grab hits only aerial and eats all your super, but when used in neutral deals 400 damage per bar… (You can also Whiff Cancel into it, which can make it ungodly levels of satisfying if you manage to catch a foe with it when they think they’re gonna get ya)
i actually picked up ggst sol as a pure gimmick instead of actually learning a full toolkit i almost exclusively use dp and command grab which uses the same input so it's by far the fastest i've ever picked up any character extremely entertaining character to whip out against your friends because as soon as you win an interaction with it you just put them in hardcore rps; truly the ultimate strike/throw
Wow dude the YT algo is working overtime! Awesome quality video, very well explained and eloquent. The throw is gonna be even more hype when SF6 comes out. Now the throw is a real neutral reset with all the distance it makes between the characters. A real reward for teching a throw. The shimmy meta is gonna be crazy. Liked and subbed.
The street fighter 2 example is interesting because the original version had no throw teching whatsoever. They added it in later because the mechanic caused so much salt.
I have seen a heavy increase in Grappler content, and I am pleased because I foresee a good future for the grappler archetype with these new installments
Coming from DBFZ, where the universal throw is 26 frames iirc to Strive where it's 2 was pretty crazy. It went to a pretty useless mechanic without heavy conditioning to one that's important in most matchups, always an option on defense or offense.
My favorite trick is playing characters with minus-on-block jump-ins, spamming the move at the start of the match, and then just forward jumping into throw once the opponent is conditioned to hold block.
Great video! I think throws are in a pretty good place right now. I'm fine with throws being comboable as long as resources are spent to do it. I don't tend to play grapplers, but as a refreshing break away from my usual fast mixup nonsense I have enjoyed Potemkin in XRD/Strive; and Kanji Tatsumi in Persona 4 Arena
Throws dont always need to require resources to combo, for example in blazblue throws are slow(7F) and you can still tech out during the throw but if it lands you get hit by a devastating combo
I think throws being comboable without resources have their place. Benimaru could combo off his normal throw in KOF 13, and I feel like throw combos would be appreciated in XV where the defense is pretty strong
Very solid video dude My Favorite Grapplers are Armor King/King and Pot due to the massive amount of emotional damage i deal to my irl mates on offline matches
Clark Steel... Calm, and with all the tools to stay chill, waiting for opponent to make a move (Except projectile dogde / reflect like Z "green hand"); yes, fan of big dudes doing big damage Superb editing, specially with the memes
An interesting point to add as a Potemkin player in strive, Okizeme after potbuster is almost always fake unless he has 50 meter, by the time potemkin gets into range and recovers from hammerfall break a 5 frame or faster jab will stop both potemkin buster and close slash, he could stop hammerfall sooner however this makes potemkin buster a non threat since he cannot delay it to catch backdash and far slash/2p oki is nearly completely useless, the only exception is if you kara cancel into hammerfall the first frame after pot buster's animation ends then hammerfall break on the first frame Close Slash will connect, which will counter hit 5 frame jabs but will still lose to 3 and 4 frame jabs, needless to say probably under 5% of potemkin players can do this double frame perfect input with any consistency
if you want to be a total nerd for the sake of getting an advantage you can actually tell if he hit the first input by seeing if he lurches forward immediately after he puts his hands down, if his movement into hammerfall is smooth it is 100% safe to mash a 5 frame normal
I'm not a Potemkin main, but I know that garuda impact is crazy disjointed and beats short ranged buttons. Can't you call out most fast buttons with that?
@@doughnutboyo6922 Only after close ranged knockdown, after potemkin buster in full or midscreen potemkin doesn't have time to garuda, getting hit by 2d, buster in corner or slide head in close range are all very bad news because garuda is basically a very annoying guess for game situation obviously this is all assuming no meter
DSbro just dropped a new potemkin combo that has 4 frame perfect inputs back-to-back-to-back-to-back. He wasnt lying, some of those combos are tough as nails
I play Ky Kiske so i can say i'm a grappler player. Also you forgot to mention that in BlazBlue throws open for full combo without any resources. Anyway, top tier video, the editing is just.... it's mamma mia
sf3 hugo is my favourite because the system mechanics just kinda favour him so hard that despite his horrible matchup chart (look it up) he's still getting tournament results fairly often
As someone that has played Ken since I was but a wee baby, I love throws so much. Every game, I play the Ken-esque character because of how fun it is to run strike/throw. Letting an opponent naturally open themselves up because they're scared of the throw is awesome. That being said, I don't particularly enjoy proximity throws with no dedicated whiff animation (partially why I don't play earlier Gear titles).
Yoo idk why I didn't get notified for this one, it's gotta be one of my favorite video from you, great editing! Also when I look up "typhoon Brawlhalla" I find your channel soon, we'll be able to just search for "typhoon" and get the same results, keep going.
My main in SFV, Birdie is currently my favourite fighting game character. He's a grappler, but only when he wants to be. His buttons may not be the fastest but they have considerable range for their speed and it makes his neutral very strong, being able to check fast approaches and slowly walk his opponent's down to the corner, where his buttons become REALLY scary. Suddenly, your buttons go from being annoying and disruptive, to dangerously threatening, since by the time they're in the corner, they're already close to being stunned. Combined with his command grab and tools to get around fireballs, he can be very difficult to keep out, and once he gets in, he will make it hurt.
Great and informative video but I also wanted to add that KOF 15 (don't know about other KOF games) also doesn't have a throw whiff animation. Instead, you just get Heavy punch or heavey kick since the input is back or forward plus either of those buttons
I live Incineroar from smash, super fun and rewarding but if we’re talking traditional then I have to go with Pot, high damage high reward is my type of play style so he fits me very well
2D fighter grabs often feel earned for the most part. Tho for some non-grappler characters i wish there was just a single grab button rather than a multi-button input.
sol badguy is my favourite grappler. also, did you know in guilty gear Xrd and previous games all regular throws has no whiffing since they were on 6H. if you missed, you would get 6H or 6(any button) if you option selected. they were also frame 1
Great video bro! Loved it. What is the song towards the end of the vid talking about pot's Kara strategy? I recognized it but don't remember what it's from. Take care!
I may add to the Grappler thing: Android 16: The Fastest Grappler ever. He is an unique case because he breaks most of the standard Grappler things. His grabs are slow, at least compared to the Standard Grabs of Fighting games, and his grabs dont do as much Damage as your standard grappler, but his combos are centered around chaining Grabs mostly, he also has Ranged options in his 5S/j.5S too, unlike most grapplers, even alongside a Great Assist, and well, standard speed like the rest of the cast.
command grabs can be broken and some have multiple hits where you have chances break out of them, you need to know the corresponding button though. There are also takedowns that can be reversed onto the opponent.
I like throws, keep em good. There is something else briefly shown in this video that I think probably should be addressed somehow. Which is the concept of 'option select', where one action results in a myriad of different outcomes based on an opponents action. Not because I think they are broken, but because I think it adds a level of obscuration to what it means to be 'good' at a fighting game. Many new players see things that assume are like godtier reactions or predictions and are actually option selects, but because they don't know that they assume that fighting games are just 'very hard' and become too intimidated by the genre to step foot into them. Many games have attempted to simplify fighting games with like removal of tools, simple inputs, etc and I think the simplification or removal of option selects might be a good way to do that.
I agree, I think that option selects don’t really need to be in fighting games, you can still have complicated mechanics without it. A lot of option selects come down to how the game interprets buttons and as we saw with hitbox that can change pretty often.
Big shoutout to the ramlethal i fought the other day who fired off both of her swords basically at round start and then just kept pecking at me with jabs to condition me into letting her grab me over and over again. Because, "there's no way she'll grab me AGAIN" As a new Pot player, this was a very enlightening moment for me.
And then there's Tager. he's got a projectile faster than a Bugatti Chiron. 2 grounded command grabs that can link to his "no ukemi for you" button that puts you in an uncomfortable range to get grabbed again. An air command grab that's invul on start-up and a wonky hitbox. An anti-air grab that also links to his "no ukemi for you" button. And a delayable command grab super that deals damage comparable to my student loans. And did I mention that he can magnetize you so his motion inputs, drive, and command grabs pull you towards him? Yet Tager gets bodied by Jesus kick, Milf the phantom, Hakkymans, Susan, Paddle guy, The Sword sisters, Burakku rakku sutinngaaaaa, Drill guy, basically half the character select screen (no, Rachel doesn't count. And Carl, Carl dies in two grabs). BlazBlue is whack, I tell you.
I love grapplers. There's just nothing like the rush of getting that read right and watching your opponent's HP bar disappear into thin air. I first got into the grappler life with some casual CvS Zangief, but nowadays I play Shermie as my anchor in KOF XV. I love how despite being a grappler, she's still fast and has really good range on her buttons, while still having a powerful command grab for every situation, she makes every decision the opponent has to make a pretty big risk since she gets to cash out massive damage off just one right read.
I like throws, cause I'm a player from the 90's where internet was not a thing and my only opponent was the PC so that's wht I learned to use the most, even though I don't play grapplers. Almost 20years latter I'm still trying to shake the habbit of grabbing ppl randomly in a match, but old habits die hard.
Guilty gear always had 1 frame throws until strive Edit 2:most anime fighters allows you to combo after throws even without the RC mechanic such as blazblue and every guilty gear before strive
@@typhoonbhnot only that but since its the same command as heavy slash whiffing throws is essentially just throwing out heavy slash so technically there is no whiff animation, characters like raven abuse the hell out of this Also new edit
I can't really say whether or not throws need to be toned down because most fighting game series (and sometimes even different games within a series) handles them a little differently. One of my favorite fighting games is Pokken, and throws have an important role there. The generic throw that every character has is a guaranteed way to cause a Phase Shift, and it also plays into the RPS mechanic by beating counter attacks but losing to regular attacks. They're also on average stronger than generic throws in other fighting games, so 'taking the throw' isn't always the best idea. At the same time, the attacker has to consider how their position will change after the throw, because one that results in a wall-blast will deal extra damage but also launch the opponent to the other side of the stage, effectively losing the advantage you could have had by keeping them in the corner. Also as a grappler player my favorite always has been and always will be Tager, but I've never played BlazBlue competitively so it's hard for me to articulate why I like him more than others.
I don’t like grapplers usually but i do love my command grabs Think about heavy hitting damage dealers that also have a command grab and advancing move Like sol ganon and geese I don’t like it when my gameplan revolves around throws But a sick command grab adds a lot imo if its not the main thing the character revolves around
That grab transition at 1:34 was really clean
Thanks!
Seconded. That was gorgeous
yah it was
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i laughed so hard at ryu throwing bison non stop
He took "take the throw" too seriously
The empty jump lmao
It's a bison so you know what...deserved
dude that sequence is pure fucking gold what the fuck was that
Died honorably
This is top tier editing and production. Nice job sir💥
Much appreciated!
ooh top tier hardcore gaming refernce
@@videoclunk4731 You are painfully stupid. Your ignorance is the sorrow of Mankind.
Makoto is my favorite fighting game character because of how she tips the strike/throw dynamic on its head. Giving her the opportunity to get an attack's worth of follow up off her command throw means "take the throw" is actually really bad advice against her, and opponents are always forced to play the 50/50 as though both outcomes are the same. In that way, she's kinda the truest half-grappler in fighting games, because she gets identical reward off of a command grab vs off of a strong hit, and is equally incentivized to go for either option
She’s a hybrid that gets the best of both worlds
getting to the point where i kinda understood how makoto worked was euphoric. she's so fun to play
I wish most grapplers had that playstyle, since most grapplers always get big chunky moves anyway.
lmao yeah man ur not even remotely a paedophile. look at the lengthy justification
@@videoclunk4731 what????
dude I was literally her age (in SF4) when I first started playing her and fell in love with her, and she's an adult in third strike anyways
I don't play grapplers, but one time I was messing around with Jack-O against my buddy in Strive, and upon stealing a round with Forever Elysion Driver I felt a strange rush I had never experienced in a fighting game before
It feels great
"Yet." You don't play grapplers "yet."
Checking in a year later. Have you started playing grapplers yet?
@@Y2kRito Mostly I just play ABA, but I did pick up Manon in SF6 lol
Even though I don't really play him anymore, Potemkin will always have my heart for being the character that got me into fighting games. Seeing videos of people getting rolled by multiple busters, or heat knuckle wall breaks really hyped me up and was the final push for me to start playing. He was the character i won my first few celestial challenges with in the early months of ggst and I doubt I would be playing these games at all without him.
He also opened up the gateway into heavyweights in general which i stay true to maining Goldlewis, learning Bedman?, robot in yomi, and undecided between starting with Marissa or Zangeif when sf6 drops.
Potemkin was also my gateway into Goldlews after seeing how unfavourable it is for Potemkin. It’s also funny how you can put amor on every thing when playing the robot in yomi
jesus is this how bad things have got. people are being inspired by a move doing too much damage. no wonder everyone just uses macros now
@@videoclunk4731 are you mad that people like Potemkin?
@@typhoonbh im mad that people like guilty gear its fucking ugly half made and all the players have deep seated mental issues.
are you mad one person doesnt like potemkin?
its like you will put up with anything as long as you dont have to put your own work in and can just suck dick in discord and get the op tech on day 1, (0 intention of playing in tournament), 1 so u can exclusively use it on new players because you fucking dodge everyone your level or higher
Sol from +R is the best grappler. "Command grab leads into flashy, dynamic, high-damage combo" is way cooler than "command grab = high damage".
I think Tekken really diversified the simple rock paper scissors of attack,block or throw with throw breaks and chickens basically making it so every action has a possible counter but there's still benefit to performing the action even if it's just to gain a positional advantage. Tekken seems to have introduced comboing FROM a throw instead of always used having been comboing into a throw as well.
Although sometimes they take it too far with things like Marduk's tackle which is basically a just frame 50/50 that will kill you if used in the right combo
Yeah Tekken throws are a whole different world, its cool that some throws have multiple throw breaks so that it isn't over if you miss once. Also the takedown mechanic is cool too.
Not every action has counter. Generic df1 into sidestep is i13 mid and -1 on block, makes enemy's jab whiff and too fast to be countered with homing move, you can just block homing and take the turn. Only possible option is mirror-sidestep on hard read and hope enemy whiffs. And it counters only df1 -> df1, there is unlimited options with df1 -> highcrush low CH launcher or df1 -> sidestep -> df1 -> sidestep loop that just bullies Kazuya, or df1 -> homing. And you are afraid of challenging enemy on -1 because those filthy frauds with generic df1 also has low CH hit confirmable launchers. Brainded stupid womans like Kazumi, Josie, Nina, Anna, Julia, Lidia, Miguel, Feng, Claudio, Lars, Lee.
@@typhoonbhit is, i love tekken throws and especially king, prolly the most grappler grappler to ever grappler
As for tackles, maybe theyd be funny ton use at some point in other games
But do throws in Tekken even work? I watched a Rooflemonger video on Virtua Fighter and in one of the comments, he said that he prefers VF and DoA over Tekken because throws are actually useful in the former two.
@@Maver1ck101 throws in tekken work depending on game, if its any game before 7, then its a really harsh execution check, in 7, they work fairly well online unless youre fighting very experienced players
Otherwise, king and armor king have throws with different breaks but with the some animation, so with certain set ups its literally a guess into a lot of dmg n oki
I never played VF or DoA so i dont know how they work
Holy shit this is really well edited, the script flows well and the topic is interesting af, amazing job glad I just stumbled onto this
The algorithm made a good choice today
Author most likely already know this but for those who don't, only Strive grabs are 2 frame. Older GG games had frame 0-1 grabs (so like SF2), meaning that being in close range to oponent at any time was dangerous. Pressure and oki had to be altered to avoid this. Grabs also had built in OS's with buttons like 6P but this was usually character specific
I distinctly remember one day I had a bunch of extra time in class, so I downloaded Fantasy Strike on the computer.
The game where you tech throws by doing nothing.
I throw looped like 5 people.
As much as I don’t like fantasy strike
The yomi counter system is absolutely genius and hilarious
Seeing that intro (featuring my favorite grappler) reminds me of perhaps the most horrifying hard read RPS I seen.
Cowboy: Jumps to avoid Bounds Check
Robot with 7 bars: *hippity hoppity your win is my property.*
For the non hustlers, Robot’s “KILL PROCESS” command grab hits only aerial and eats all your super, but when used in neutral deals 400 damage per bar…
(You can also Whiff Cancel into it, which can make it ungodly levels of satisfying if you manage to catch a foe with it when they think they’re gonna get ya)
i actually picked up ggst sol as a pure gimmick
instead of actually learning a full toolkit i almost exclusively use dp and command grab which uses the same input so it's by far the fastest i've ever picked up any character
extremely entertaining character to whip out against your friends because as soon as you win an interaction with it you just put them in hardcore rps; truly the ultimate strike/throw
Wow dude the YT algo is working overtime! Awesome quality video, very well explained and eloquent. The throw is gonna be even more hype when SF6 comes out. Now the throw is a real neutral reset with all the distance it makes between the characters. A real reward for teching a throw. The shimmy meta is gonna be crazy. Liked and subbed.
I used to hate throws but after taking time to understand them they're really fun.
The street fighter 2 example is interesting because the original version had no throw teching whatsoever. They added it in later because the mechanic caused so much salt.
I have seen a heavy increase in Grappler content, and I am pleased because I foresee a good future for the grappler archetype with these new installments
2023 is the year of the grappler
We found the grappler player. Get 'em boys.
@@E_Fig05 Bet, Third Strike, Fightcade, look for TenguManDWN57
@@tengudwn57 Woah. I just watched one of your tournaments. My respect goes to anyone who can competitively play street fighter.
@@E_Fig05 Never competed in a tournament my friend, hell I'm too afraid to play ranked. But one day, I would surely like to.
Ah i waited for our videos
i love the way u analyze every video games and not only focus on a single fighting game!
Thank you so much!
Coming from DBFZ, where the universal throw is 26 frames iirc to Strive where it's 2 was pretty crazy. It went to a pretty useless mechanic without heavy conditioning to one that's important in most matchups, always an option on defense or offense.
My favorite trick is playing characters with minus-on-block jump-ins, spamming the move at the start of the match, and then just forward jumping into throw once the opponent is conditioned to hold block.
Ty has some of the best FGC type content out. His video ideas are super unique. I wish he dropped content every hour lol there’s no enoughhhhhh
this is very well edited!
Glad you liked it!
Started as a small brawlhalla content creator and now you're here.
Took risks even grapplers wouldn't take keep it up man!
Thank you! I’m glad you stuck around for the ride
@@typhoonbh wouldn't miss your videos for anything man
Great video! I think throws are in a pretty good place right now. I'm fine with throws being comboable as long as resources are spent to do it.
I don't tend to play grapplers, but as a refreshing break away from my usual fast mixup nonsense I have enjoyed Potemkin in XRD/Strive; and Kanji Tatsumi in Persona 4 Arena
Throws dont always need to require resources to combo, for example in blazblue throws are slow(7F) and you can still tech out during the throw but if it lands you get hit by a devastating combo
I think throws being comboable without resources have their place. Benimaru could combo off his normal throw in KOF 13, and I feel like throw combos would be appreciated in XV where the defense is pretty strong
Very solid video dude
My Favorite Grapplers are Armor King/King and Pot due to the massive amount of emotional damage i deal to my irl mates on offline matches
Clark Steel... Calm, and with all the tools to stay chill, waiting for opponent to make a move (Except projectile dogde / reflect like Z "green hand"); yes, fan of big dudes doing big damage
Superb editing, specially with the memes
An interesting point to add as a Potemkin player in strive, Okizeme after potbuster is almost always fake unless he has 50 meter, by the time potemkin gets into range and recovers from hammerfall break a 5 frame or faster jab will stop both potemkin buster and close slash, he could stop hammerfall sooner however this makes potemkin buster a non threat since he cannot delay it to catch backdash and far slash/2p oki is nearly completely useless, the only exception is if you kara cancel into hammerfall the first frame after pot buster's animation ends then hammerfall break on the first frame Close Slash will connect, which will counter hit 5 frame jabs but will still lose to 3 and 4 frame jabs, needless to say probably under 5% of potemkin players can do this double frame perfect input with any consistency
TL;DR unless you are playing against Snake Eyez or FAB just mash buttons after eating pot buster unless he has meter or if you are in the corner
if you want to be a total nerd for the sake of getting an advantage you can actually tell if he hit the first input by seeing if he lurches forward immediately after he puts his hands down, if his movement into hammerfall is smooth it is 100% safe to mash a 5 frame normal
I'm not a Potemkin main, but I know that garuda impact is crazy disjointed and beats short ranged buttons. Can't you call out most fast buttons with that?
@@doughnutboyo6922 Only after close ranged knockdown, after potemkin buster in full or midscreen potemkin doesn't have time to garuda, getting hit by 2d, buster in corner or slide head in close range are all very bad news because garuda is basically a very annoying guess for game situation
obviously this is all assuming no meter
DSbro just dropped a new potemkin combo that has 4 frame perfect inputs back-to-back-to-back-to-back. He wasnt lying, some of those combos are tough as nails
Really good video essay good mix of personality and video essay also really good editing and transitions
Thank you!
Nice vid. I like SFV Mika a lot and Clark from KOF.
The sound of clanging sandals triggers my PTSD if you understand what that means.
I play Ky Kiske so i can say i'm a grappler player. Also you forgot to mention that in BlazBlue throws open for full combo without any resources.
Anyway, top tier video, the editing is just.... it's mamma mia
2:42 the Gio/Cammy transition made me instantly subscribe 😮
Thanks!
Love how you isolated the sprites, honestly a stroke of production genius 🔥
0:35 made me break out in a cold sweat. Been in that exact position more times than I'd care to admit...
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My favorite grappler is Super Broly in DBFZ. He has an aerial grab that wall bounces for combos and gets me hyped everytime.
sf3 hugo is my favourite because the system mechanics just kinda favour him so hard that despite his horrible matchup chart (look it up) he's still getting tournament results fairly often
Hugo is one of those fun low-tier characters
Nice video and amazing editing, specially at 2:30
Thanks!
As someone that has played Ken since I was but a wee baby, I love throws so much. Every game, I play the Ken-esque character because of how fun it is to run strike/throw. Letting an opponent naturally open themselves up because they're scared of the throw is awesome. That being said, I don't particularly enjoy proximity throws with no dedicated whiff animation (partially why I don't play earlier Gear titles).
Yeah a lot of older fighting games are really unforgiving in that area
Yoo idk why I didn't get notified for this one, it's gotta be one of my favorite video from you, great editing! Also when I look up "typhoon Brawlhalla" I find your channel soon, we'll be able to just search for "typhoon" and get the same results, keep going.
My main in SFV, Birdie is currently my favourite fighting game character. He's a grappler, but only when he wants to be. His buttons may not be the fastest but they have considerable range for their speed and it makes his neutral very strong, being able to check fast approaches and slowly walk his opponent's down to the corner, where his buttons become REALLY scary. Suddenly, your buttons go from being annoying and disruptive, to dangerously threatening, since by the time they're in the corner, they're already close to being stunned. Combined with his command grab and tools to get around fireballs, he can be very difficult to keep out, and once he gets in, he will make it hurt.
that triple command grab sent him to oblivion bro had a spot in his head rent free
Thank you for this video!
Great and informative video but I also wanted to add that KOF 15 (don't know about other KOF games) also doesn't have a throw whiff animation. Instead, you just get Heavy punch or heavey kick since the input is back or forward plus either of those buttons
Interesting
Nice video! Lol this was fantastic. As far as grapplers go for me as far as favorites, the One and Only, King From Tekken 🐆
The editing is immaculate, holy shit.
I live Incineroar from smash, super fun and rewarding but if we’re talking traditional then I have to go with Pot, high damage high reward is my type of play style so he fits me very well
Lmao the not gonna sugarthrow it YOMI Hustle Robot tackle threw me off guard
First video I'm watching of your channel, subscribed and liked midway haha, excellent work !
Q best grappler no cap
love the intro, underrated gem :)
Iron Tager will always be my favorite grappler. Something so satisfying about closing distance by pulling them to you.
Seeing YOMI Hustle at the beginning made me so happy
2D fighter grabs often feel earned for the most part. Tho for some non-grappler characters i wish there was just a single grab button rather than a multi-button input.
Macro
YOMI Hustle:
sol badguy is my favourite grappler. also, did you know in guilty gear Xrd and previous games all regular throws has no whiffing since they were on 6H. if you missed, you would get 6H or 6(any button) if you option selected. they were also frame 1
On top of the excellence theory description, you have really awesome editing as well.
Thank you!
I felt actual anger at that bounds check 5 seconds into the video 😂😂
lmao
One of your funniest videos while being informative as always! Keep up the great content man always look forward to seeing your new stuff ❤
Thanks for sticking around!
the editing is on point👌 really good video
Thank you!
Yomi hustle intro is so great man
Love my boy Potemkin the most. Tager is also cool. Besides huge slow grapplers, there’s a few games that have fast grapplers which is interesting
Drive rush will be huge for grapplers in sf6
Definitely a strike throw enthusiast, myself. Whether Ky or Lilith, I'm always down. Didn't expect the snowy mammoth, though. 10/10 OST choice.
A fellow ape escape OST enjoyer
@@typhoonbh That game was my jam when I was a wee lad.
“Unless you play tekken” the shade bro I’m dying
Pot was the best example with that rc into buster
My favourite grappler is Ky Kiske. Run up grab is our most powerful weapon!
This reminds me of a conversation where me and my bros were arguing that fortnite doesn't have a "grab" feature to counter builds
This editing is so fucking good and the content is great. Subscribe time
Thank you!
INCREDIBLE VIDEO!
Thanks!
Great video bro! Loved it. What is the song towards the end of the vid talking about pot's Kara strategy? I recognized it but don't remember what it's from.
Take care!
Ape Escape Soundtrack 19 New Freezeland Snowy Mammoth
@@typhoonbh wow. Nostalgic vibes bro 🥹
I may add to the Grappler thing:
Android 16: The Fastest Grappler ever.
He is an unique case because he breaks most of the standard Grappler things.
His grabs are slow, at least compared to the Standard Grabs of Fighting games, and his grabs dont do as much Damage as your standard grappler, but his combos are centered around chaining Grabs mostly, he also has Ranged options in his 5S/j.5S too, unlike most grapplers, even alongside a Great Assist, and well, standard speed like the rest of the cast.
Very nice edits/transitions.
What does Tekken have different besides normal throws and command throws though?
command grabs can be broken and some have multiple hits where you have chances break out of them, you need to know the corresponding button though. There are also takedowns that can be reversed onto the opponent.
Love your videos keep up the hard work
Glad you like them!
Very good video, loved the editing, as a grappler player tho maybe zangief in usf4. Luv me glue
Glad you enjoyed!
I like throws, keep em good.
There is something else briefly shown in this video that I think probably should be addressed somehow. Which is the concept of 'option select', where one action results in a myriad of different outcomes based on an opponents action.
Not because I think they are broken, but because I think it adds a level of obscuration to what it means to be 'good' at a fighting game. Many new players see things that assume are like godtier reactions or predictions and are actually option selects, but because they don't know that they assume that fighting games are just 'very hard' and become too intimidated by the genre to step foot into them.
Many games have attempted to simplify fighting games with like removal of tools, simple inputs, etc and I think the simplification or removal of option selects might be a good way to do that.
I agree, I think that option selects don’t really need to be in fighting games, you can still have complicated mechanics without it. A lot of option selects come down to how the game interprets buttons and as we saw with hitbox that can change pretty often.
goddamn that editing is smooth
Honestly think you could become the next Core A Gaming channel
Not the first time I've heard that comparison
My favorite grappler is Ky, popping dragon install to throw 3 times is great
My brother's fav grappler is Yang from BBTag, and mine is either zangief, Darun Meister, or Under Night In-Birth's Waldstein (he got them big hands)
Big shoutout to the ramlethal i fought the other day who fired off both of her swords basically at round start and then just kept pecking at me with jabs to condition me into letting her grab me over and over again. Because, "there's no way she'll grab me AGAIN"
As a new Pot player, this was a very enlightening moment for me.
Potemkin watching in utter terror as he's out-grappled by the child with flying swords
Luci & Fero: ... She really liked that Pro Wrestling video, huh...
XD
And then there's Tager. he's got a projectile faster than a Bugatti Chiron. 2 grounded command grabs that can link to his "no ukemi for you" button that puts you in an uncomfortable range to get grabbed again. An air command grab that's invul on start-up and a wonky hitbox. An anti-air grab that also links to his "no ukemi for you" button. And a delayable command grab super that deals damage comparable to my student loans. And did I mention that he can magnetize you so his motion inputs, drive, and command grabs pull you towards him?
Yet Tager gets bodied by Jesus kick, Milf the phantom, Hakkymans, Susan, Paddle guy, The Sword sisters, Burakku rakku sutinngaaaaa, Drill guy, basically half the character select screen (no, Rachel doesn't count. And Carl, Carl dies in two grabs). BlazBlue is whack, I tell you.
I love grapplers. There's just nothing like the rush of getting that read right and watching your opponent's HP bar disappear into thin air. I first got into the grappler life with some casual CvS Zangief, but nowadays I play Shermie as my anchor in KOF XV. I love how despite being a grappler, she's still fast and has really good range on her buttons, while still having a powerful command grab for every situation, she makes every decision the opponent has to make a pretty big risk since she gets to cash out massive damage off just one right read.
Hugo and (arguably) Q are my two favorite grapplers :3
I like throws, cause I'm a player from the 90's where internet was not a thing and my only opponent was the PC so that's wht I learned to use the most, even though I don't play grapplers.
Almost 20years latter I'm still trying to shake the habbit of grabbing ppl randomly in a match, but old habits die hard.
Blessed be the grab. Holy is potemkin bussin. Suus non culto
Potemkin my beloved
Guilty gear always had 1 frame throws until strive
Edit 2:most anime fighters allows you to combo after throws even without the RC mechanic such as blazblue and every guilty gear before strive
damn so they were basically unreactable (even though they kinda still are)
@@typhoonbh Not only that, but some versions of xrd didn't even have throw breaks.
@@typhoonbhnot only that but since its the same command as heavy slash whiffing throws is essentially just throwing out heavy slash so technically there is no whiff animation, characters like raven abuse the hell out of this
Also new edit
@@HeirofDacia Honestly throw breaks in xrd were pretty non-existent to begin with because the window to tech is like 3 frames lol
@@nathandam6415 It's definitely doable. Techs not existing at all was insane.
I'm a big grapple head and some favorites of mine include Android 16, Potemkin, and Beowulf
I'm sure I'm not the only one who guessed this video was about throws from the title??
I'm a casual, let me have this win!!
That 6 or 7 throws on Bison from Ryu
Jesus he was in his That man's head
The ultimate conditioning
My favourite grappler is Waldstein from Under Night In-Birth
I do love me some fighting game essay videos . Its a guaranteed watch
I can't really say whether or not throws need to be toned down because most fighting game series (and sometimes even different games within a series) handles them a little differently. One of my favorite fighting games is Pokken, and throws have an important role there. The generic throw that every character has is a guaranteed way to cause a Phase Shift, and it also plays into the RPS mechanic by beating counter attacks but losing to regular attacks. They're also on average stronger than generic throws in other fighting games, so 'taking the throw' isn't always the best idea. At the same time, the attacker has to consider how their position will change after the throw, because one that results in a wall-blast will deal extra damage but also launch the opponent to the other side of the stage, effectively losing the advantage you could have had by keeping them in the corner.
Also as a grappler player my favorite always has been and always will be Tager, but I've never played BlazBlue competitively so it's hard for me to articulate why I like him more than others.
1:56 I love you potemkin (and makoto). based archetype
yooo yomih at the start let’s gooo
Goated indie game
As a guy who studied Judo, I love throws.
i like the throw tech window in tekken 7. It changes the pace, but doesn't allow for all that sf5 throw loop BS
2:10 was hilarious 😂
That bison was in HELL. I'd just cry and go to sleep bro 😂
That's when you know its time to log off
I love playing grapplers, but I usually play some sort of semi-grappler like kof vice/shermie or gg zato
With SF6 just around the corner, I'm prepared for the early grappler syndrome.
I’m not a grappler, but GODAMN I LOVE BEOWULF, he’s just so fun for no reason in skullgirls
Real
I don’t like grapplers usually but i do love my command grabs
Think about heavy hitting damage dealers that also have a command grab and advancing move
Like sol ganon and geese
I don’t like it when my gameplan revolves around throws
But a sick command grab adds a lot imo if its not the main thing the character revolves around
Throws can be annoying, but I play Ky so I love to do them💜