Interesting concept of Greeks seeing chiseled chest and wash board and as a result of athleticism, when athleticism doesn’t necessarily give you the chiseled chest and washed board abs. I’m in the firefighter process and train quite often with various firefighters and ff candidates as well as practice Brazilian jujitsu and used to do MMA and I must say (and what mainstream media fails to portray ) is that most highly physical activities and highly physical careers have body types of all shapes and sizes (and that applies to active soldiers I know and trained with as well), because they require you to have strong core muscles and A LOT of cardio, and variety of anatomy&physiology result in that strength looking different for each body type, now sure, you’ll be able to tell that they’re “fit” compared to someone of the same body type but many of the athletes and physical Labour workers I train have mom & dad bods, disproportionate bodies, asymmetrical bodies, I mean heck even the strong man competitors don’t have the type of abs Greek artist portray. I used to have a Samoan MMA trainer/coach who had better cardio, strength, core, and conditioning than I had but would often make self-deprecating jokes about how his body didn’t have the same look as the guys from the 300 movie but mine did and would ask me what my secret was but there wasn’t one. However, that makes sense due to how influential the exaggeration of athletic body types have been extrapolated from the movies and tv shows and magazines in our modern mainstream media but why wud Greeks have the same body standards if their value of bodies was based off the body types athletes and soldiers and etc had as opposed a modern pop culture that exaggerated and over popularized having what our modern culture calls “glamour” muscles?
Certainly, you see that looking dangerous works in your favor when facing a fight. If a woman could run behind either Wesley Snipes or Jason Momoa, which do you think she'd feel safer with? Both are seasoned in the martial arts, but Snipes' slender physique makes him appear less threatening - until you see him perform. (Forget the age difference. I'm just focused on appearance, namely body type).
Strength muscles vs showey muscles. I wonder if it might have been a show of wealth too? Wealthy men had the time to intentionally exercise the show muscles, vs farmers who developed strength muscles from heavy labor? Also it’s worth considering food availability. Look at men who live in modern hunter-gatherer societies. They’re muscular but very lean. I imagine it has to do with calorie consumption, you can’t bulk up if you don’t have the calories. Ancient Greek men also didn’t have modern food science or steroids, so it was even more difficult to look like that intentionally. Even impossible if we’re talking about modern Hollywood Huge. Arnold only got as big as he did cause of a combo of genetics, multiple heavy workouts a day, calorie packing food science AND steroids.
I think I woulda did pretty good tbh. Makes me wish I lived back then instead of now, where we all work are entire lives to trade silly little pieces of paper till the day we die.
I'm sure you know this but in modern greek the adjective "καλός-ή-ό" (kalos-male,kali-female,kalo- neutral) has come to mean just"good"or "nice". And "κακός"(kakos) means "bad" or "evil"
In the ancient world, women, in general were seen as morally weak, eliciting the same in men via seduction. The very thing women needed to attract a mate turns out to be there undoing. Muslims still hold this view of women. Merely being female elicits a beastlike hunger in men, so much so that women must drape themselves in dark, heavy gear from head to toe. INCELS hold a similar view of women, so the idea of feminine beauty as overpowering persists today.
Your voice / accent is so mesmerizing . Is this his real voice or is it computer generated? If real what part of the universe are you from? I also wanted to issue my sincere condolences for your recent loss. No matter how strong we think we are when a close family member transitions, it Is a very hard adjustment.
A historian in Dacian history said to me that chestnut hair was considered blond in the Tracian-Dacian regions. So given close proximity to the Peloponnesian Peninsula was probably the same. So I guess guys like me would have been considered blond. That and in the Mediterranean environment hair gets lighter when spending time in the sun. Peasants would have had some golden locks.
Some observations I’ve made with Ancient Greek feminine beauty when looking at statues of the time: They liked soft, rounded, small features in the face. They didn’t have much in the way of jawbones or cheekbones. Their cheeks are also softly round. Someone like Margot Robbie might not be considered as attractive in the face, as her features are sharp and striking, which are obviously considered very beautiful features today. The one exception of their soft features is their noses, which are distinctly Greek. That is to say tall, largish, very straight, with little to no dip in between the eyes. Straight from the forehead to the tip of the nose. This obviously is expected, cause they ARE Greek women, but it goes into beauty as it relates to race and ethnicity. Pale skin and exotic light hair might be seen as beautiful, but the shorter button noses one might see on women found farther north (who would otherwise be more likely to have pale skin and light hair) would not be. You also don’t see many celebrities nowadays with that type of nose. Hollywood likes more button noses. Likewise, they liked tightly wavy hair. Not super commonly found in Europe. Almost like what one might find on a black woman, in regard to the tightness of the curls. An ancient Greek might find an Ethiopian woman’s curls to be nice. A woman would obviously curl her hair to get that look, if she didn’t have it naturally. An exaggerated hourglass shape is hard to find. They liked hips, but no extreme hip-waist-breast ratios. Breasts were also perky but modest. A Kardashian figure would not be popular. Likewise, they were never skinny enough for ribs to show, that was likely considered too skinny. But some did have the slightest whiff of abs (Venus de Milo in particular.) Despite the age of marriage for woman being 14ish, none of the statues or mosaics look that young. One might argue that people aged faster back then, but girls usually had puberty later then than they do today cause of nutrition. The statues and mosaics portray women distinctly done with puberty. Idk what this says other than maybe the marriage age maybe had to do with control/convenience rather than ideal beauty? (Those ages are also recorded for the elite class of people in Ancient Greece, no one wrote about commoners. In Renaissance Europe, Noble women got married at 14 too, but common women got married closer to 20. I wonder if that was the case back then too? But we can’t know and unless there’s evidence we have to assume that’s not the case. BUT I do wonder.)
I'm kinda curious how I'd do No one had seen a Kpop-ish aesthetic back then Even with my reddish blonde hairdye I do have a lot of the ancient physique? I shoot slings and heavy warbows [80lb+], practice longsword. I eat mostly veg, fruit, eggs, cheese and fish I play music and sing I'm 6'-6'1" , strong jaw, curly hair, expressive eyes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I can only imagine that Kenyan men would be seen as grotesque. They were/are typically tall, muscular, coffee bean brown and certainly well-endowed in the nether region. However, they tend to be slim, rather than bulky - ideal marathon runners, pole vaulters, etc. Maybe that would be the _one_ thing Greeks admire about them on the rare chance of an encounter. Whereas North Africans tend to by sinewy and thin, not up to the Greek standard.
U keep showing Venus and calling her Aphrodite. Venus is standing in the clam shell in the parking called the birth of Venus. I just wonder how many other mistakes you have made. This video is very interesting non the less.
i think id have a 60 procent chance of getting a boo, i have wider hips, which makes jeans shopping a horror cause most bigger sizes have long legs too and im a shorty XD i used to have long curly hair, now it is half shaven, it is still wavy/curly though, skin colorwise id losee big time due to being tanned. as for bellyfat im good there too, i wouldn't call myself overweight but i definitely have those lovehandles lol
Nowdays having a large penis is considered a sign of strong masculinity and male fertility and having a strong sexual prowess and most men now seek to have large penises or at least desire to have one to appear more appealing to women but in ancient times having a large penis was considered like an abominable thing for a man to have as opposed to having a small penis. While nowdays having a small penis is considered a sign of male sexual weakness and can't really provide long lasting sexual pleasure to a woman during sex, just let's you know how much have changed considering beauty standards even to the point of considering one's penis size to that of modern day beauty standards.
Farrah Fawcett was the most kind and beautiful woman who ever lived,and was a natural beautiful woman ,people stood in line around the block just to talk to her ...made millions off her natural beauty that woman & transvestite ( lol) Would pay high dollar for her natural beauty..that could never be achieved. °•○ °•○ 🎤
The freak show that owns this channel broke into my home using some advanced satellite system and is holding me to contempt using it to hack all my electronic devices so he can speak through them not only using his own voice but dubbing utilising whichever voice is being played through the system at whichever time he chooses
we look like ancient statue anyway, would prob actually get gf in some way back then, sadly me ugly for today's standards and get no tinder match or gf
I suspect I would've been, at best: an unremarkable specimen, due to my status as a non Greek and at worst: an athletic, yet promiscuous man of lacking "moderation". 😏😆
The darkest periods in human history only came after Jesus was born. Some of the worst war crimes in recorded human history were carried out in the names of Jesus and God. If we REALLY want to split hairs, you should think about *that.*
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This is brilliantly done. I'm glad you're back making content. Hope all is well.
Interesting concept of Greeks seeing chiseled chest and wash board and as a result of athleticism, when athleticism doesn’t necessarily give you the chiseled chest and washed board abs. I’m in the firefighter process and train quite often with various firefighters and ff candidates as well as practice Brazilian jujitsu and used to do MMA and I must say (and what mainstream media fails to portray ) is that most highly physical activities and highly physical careers have body types of all shapes and sizes (and that applies to active soldiers I know and trained with as well), because they require you to have strong core muscles and A LOT of cardio, and variety of anatomy&physiology result in that strength looking different for each body type, now sure, you’ll be able to tell that they’re “fit” compared to someone of the same body type but many of the athletes and physical Labour workers I train have mom & dad bods, disproportionate bodies, asymmetrical bodies, I mean heck even the strong man competitors don’t have the type of abs Greek artist portray.
I used to have a Samoan MMA trainer/coach who had better cardio, strength, core, and conditioning than I had but would often make self-deprecating jokes about how his body didn’t have the same look as the guys from the 300 movie but mine did and would ask me what my secret was but there wasn’t one. However, that makes sense due to how influential the exaggeration of athletic body types have been extrapolated from the movies and tv shows and magazines in our modern mainstream media but why wud Greeks have the same body standards if their value of bodies was based off the body types athletes and soldiers and etc had as opposed a modern pop culture that exaggerated and over popularized having what our modern culture calls “glamour” muscles?
Certainly, you see that looking dangerous works in your favor when facing a fight. If a woman could run behind either Wesley Snipes or Jason Momoa, which do you think she'd feel safer with? Both are seasoned in the martial arts, but Snipes' slender physique makes him appear less threatening - until you see him perform. (Forget the age difference. I'm just focused on appearance, namely body type).
Strength muscles vs showey muscles. I wonder if it might have been a show of wealth too? Wealthy men had the time to intentionally exercise the show muscles, vs farmers who developed strength muscles from heavy labor?
Also it’s worth considering food availability. Look at men who live in modern hunter-gatherer societies. They’re muscular but very lean. I imagine it has to do with calorie consumption, you can’t bulk up if you don’t have the calories.
Ancient Greek men also didn’t have modern food science or steroids, so it was even more difficult to look like that intentionally. Even impossible if we’re talking about modern Hollywood Huge. Arnold only got as big as he did cause of a combo of genetics, multiple heavy workouts a day, calorie packing food science AND steroids.
I think I woulda did pretty good tbh. Makes me wish I lived back then instead of now, where we all work are entire lives to trade silly little pieces of paper till the day we die.
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So your telling me there's math in beautie?
I'm out I suck at math
I just can’t win
I can add, subtract, multiply, divide and make change other than that I'm useless at math
great video. going to share it with friends.
I was wondering when you do a video like this!!! Thanks for the video!!!
I'm sure you know this but in modern greek the adjective "καλός-ή-ό" (kalos-male,kali-female,kalo- neutral) has come to mean just"good"or "nice". And "κακός"(kakos) means "bad" or "evil"
In the ancient world, women, in general were seen as morally weak, eliciting the same in men via seduction. The very thing women needed to attract a mate turns out to be there undoing. Muslims still hold this view of women. Merely being female elicits a beastlike hunger in men, so much so that women must drape themselves in dark, heavy gear from head to toe. INCELS hold a similar view of women, so the idea of feminine beauty as overpowering persists today.
Thank you for the good video I hope you have a good weekend
the art work is making this seem so serious but his words make me laugh
GL and congrats on your way to 1 million subs!!
Of course I was in addition to being exceedingly modest
I like the designs in this one it reminds me of animations from the 00's version of Catchphrase
Vanity is my favorite sin
- John Milton/Satan, The Devil's Advocate (1997)
9:20 idk why this has become a true notion, no, it was because men who were growers were considered to be controlled and strong while endowed.
Your voice / accent is so mesmerizing .
Is this his real voice or is it computer generated? If real what part of the universe are you from?
I also wanted to issue my sincere condolences for your recent loss.
No matter how strong we think we are when a close family member transitions, it Is a very hard adjustment.
A historian in Dacian history said to me that chestnut hair was considered blond in the Tracian-Dacian regions. So given close proximity to the Peloponnesian Peninsula was probably the same. So I guess guys like me would have been considered blond. That and in the Mediterranean environment hair gets lighter when spending time in the sun. Peasants would have had some golden locks.
Good point, I have dark auburn hair but it changes drastically to a brighter red w/highlights in summer. Everyone swears I dyed my hair every year.
Some observations I’ve made with Ancient Greek feminine beauty when looking at statues of the time:
They liked soft, rounded, small features in the face. They didn’t have much in the way of jawbones or cheekbones. Their cheeks are also softly round. Someone like Margot Robbie might not be considered as attractive in the face, as her features are sharp and striking, which are obviously considered very beautiful features today.
The one exception of their soft features is their noses, which are distinctly Greek. That is to say tall, largish, very straight, with little to no dip in between the eyes. Straight from the forehead to the tip of the nose. This obviously is expected, cause they ARE Greek women, but it goes into beauty as it relates to race and ethnicity. Pale skin and exotic light hair might be seen as beautiful, but the shorter button noses one might see on women found farther north (who would otherwise be more likely to have pale skin and light hair) would not be. You also don’t see many celebrities nowadays with that type of nose. Hollywood likes more button noses.
Likewise, they liked tightly wavy hair. Not super commonly found in Europe. Almost like what one might find on a black woman, in regard to the tightness of the curls. An ancient Greek might find an Ethiopian woman’s curls to be nice. A woman would obviously curl her hair to get that look, if she didn’t have it naturally.
An exaggerated hourglass shape is hard to find. They liked hips, but no extreme hip-waist-breast ratios. Breasts were also perky but modest. A Kardashian figure would not be popular. Likewise, they were never skinny enough for ribs to show, that was likely considered too skinny. But some did have the slightest whiff of abs (Venus de Milo in particular.)
Despite the age of marriage for woman being 14ish, none of the statues or mosaics look that young. One might argue that people aged faster back then, but girls usually had puberty later then than they do today cause of nutrition. The statues and mosaics portray women distinctly done with puberty. Idk what this says other than maybe the marriage age maybe had to do with control/convenience rather than ideal beauty? (Those ages are also recorded for the elite class of people in Ancient Greece, no one wrote about commoners. In Renaissance Europe, Noble women got married at 14 too, but common women got married closer to 20. I wonder if that was the case back then too? But we can’t know and unless there’s evidence we have to assume that’s not the case. BUT I do wonder.)
I’m sh*t out of luck in any era.
Nope. I wouldn't do well there either.
A girl did say I had a cute smile once, but I'm not sure how much that would help me in ancient Greece.
In other words, the only thing going for me when it comes to good looks in ancient Greece is my hair.
I'm kinda curious how I'd do
No one had seen a Kpop-ish aesthetic back then
Even with my reddish blonde hairdye
I do have a lot of the ancient physique?
I shoot slings and heavy warbows [80lb+], practice longsword. I eat mostly veg, fruit, eggs, cheese and fish
I play music and sing
I'm 6'-6'1" , strong jaw, curly hair, expressive eyes
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Man 336 likes only this deserves more attention
Celebrity wise where would Florence Pugh - blond hair, green eyes, "soft natural" - rate in Greek beauty?
I can only imagine that Kenyan men would be seen as grotesque. They were/are typically tall, muscular, coffee bean brown and certainly well-endowed in the nether region. However, they tend to be slim, rather than bulky - ideal marathon runners, pole vaulters, etc. Maybe that would be the _one_ thing Greeks admire about them on the rare chance of an encounter. Whereas North Africans tend to by sinewy and thin, not up to the Greek standard.
U keep showing Venus and calling her Aphrodite. Venus is standing in the clam shell in the parking called the birth of Venus. I just wonder how many other mistakes you have made. This video is very interesting non the less.
i think id have a 60 procent chance of getting a boo, i have wider hips, which makes jeans shopping a horror cause most bigger sizes have long legs too and im a shorty XD
i used to have long curly hair, now it is half shaven, it is still wavy/curly though,
skin colorwise id losee big time due to being tanned.
as for bellyfat im good there too, i wouldn't call myself overweight but i definitely have those lovehandles lol
Yes
This video is about greeks then why are you showing roman sculptures?
Roman??
I think I'd be a solid Golden Ratio out of ten
Nowdays having a large penis is considered a sign of strong masculinity and male fertility and having a strong sexual prowess and most men now seek to have large penises or at least desire to have one to appear more appealing to women but in ancient times having a large penis was considered like an abominable thing for a man to have as opposed to having a small penis. While nowdays having a small penis is considered a sign of male sexual weakness and can't really provide long lasting sexual pleasure to a woman during sex, just let's you know how much have changed considering beauty standards even to the point of considering one's penis size to that of modern day beauty standards.
Nowadays, most men consider a point of pride to bring pleasure to their woman. The ancient Greeks did not prioritize this.
No doubt 😅
Farrah Fawcett was the most kind and beautiful woman who ever lived,and was a natural beautiful woman ,people stood in line around the block just to talk to her ...made millions off her natural beauty that woman & transvestite ( lol)
Would pay high dollar for her natural beauty..that could never be achieved. °•○
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You lost me at “small penis” 😂
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Blonde is Beautiful, baby!
Yep I'm out of luck.
The freak show that owns this channel broke into my home using some advanced satellite system and is holding me to contempt using it to hack all my electronic devices so he can speak through them not only using his own voice but dubbing utilising whichever voice is being played through the system at whichever time he chooses
“He’s so uncivilized” me: 👀
Damn so me being brown skinned having a large nose lips and quite more than average size genitals I would fail in this society. Oh well.
It was also attractive for women to have high foreheads and they would pluck their hairline to increase its size
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😭 Basically, Ancient Greek never interested KAWAII.
An old balding male, with a spare tire would have to be completely covered when out in public. 😷
Old women were housed in the neaby caves.
we look like ancient statue anyway, would prob actually get gf in some way back then, sadly me ugly for today's standards and get no tinder match or gf
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I suspect I would've been, at best: an unremarkable specimen, due to my status as a non Greek and at worst: an athletic, yet promiscuous man of lacking "moderation". 😏😆
some things dont change, seems like we still celebrate big asses now as the greeks did.
Squashed flies sound disgusting.
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The fuck does that have to do with the video?
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@@danielseelye6005 Lmao. true. . .
The darkest periods in human history only came after Jesus was born. Some of the worst war crimes in recorded human history were carried out in the names of Jesus and God.
If we REALLY want to split hairs, you should think about *that.*
@@razztastic I disagree, one of the darkest periods was the bronze age collapse, it was pretty much an apocalypse, but that was way before the J-Man
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