The Betrayal of the Evangelical Elites : The Theology Pugcast Episode 269

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  • @lukefreeperson
    @lukefreeperson ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You three have quickly become my favorite evangelicals on the internet. I have been going back and listening to your past episodes and have been so impressed with the way you have your fingers on the pulse of this cultural moment. Keep up the good work! As a recent revert back to Christianity I have been very encouraged by your solid faith and sharp cultural critique. You three are really on to something!

  • @macsprinter
    @macsprinter ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "What they meant by building bridges was blurring lines." Excellent observation.

  • @FITSOZOLIFE
    @FITSOZOLIFE ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting from 48 mins. Would like to hear more on the ‘ resistance’. During the plandemic I was despairing, but found the Moscow Mood helpful and relish a fight back. Unfortunately the UK is so far gone it’s a lonely place.🙏

  • @fredscharf5148
    @fredscharf5148 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I lived in DC for 20 years. It was a two horse town and if you used your brain and couldn't keep your mouth shut, you were going to have to walk, not ride.
    If you have your own independent means, you can go build organizations to fight for your beliefs. If, however, you need a paycheck to survive, you are going to have to shut up and do what you're told. If you get lucky, your job ir org us not political and you can find some wiggle room and even an environment to express yourself. Otherwise fuggetaboudit..

  • @danielknappii4453
    @danielknappii4453 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    It seems to me that Mohler is part of the betrayal

    • @mostlydead3261
      @mostlydead3261 ปีที่แล้ว

      care to elaborate?

    • @danielknappii4453
      @danielknappii4453 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He's actively worked to put woke professors at the seminary, and over saw the removal of conservative men from the school. He's provided training and cover for woke teachers throughout the SBC. He was silent during Resolution 9 and then slandered the conservative response.

    • @inglisbe1
      @inglisbe1 ปีที่แล้ว

      And don't forget when he went AWOL during Covid. Along with 90% of other evangelical "thought-leaders." Not remotely interested in whatever empty pietisms those dudes have to offer anymore.

    • @danielknappii4453
      @danielknappii4453 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He's also actively taught that racism is America's original sin and it can't ever be washed away and has said similar things about the SBC

    • @goyonman9655
      @goyonman9655 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yup mohler is a big part 9f the problem

  • @martyheiser44
    @martyheiser44 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Go Ducks!!

  • @mostlydead3261
    @mostlydead3261 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    how about having Paul Vanderklay for a talk sometime? he's got a very different perspective on "bridge building"..

    • @Th3BigBoy
      @Th3BigBoy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mostlydead3261 what does he say about it? I am curious what your take on him is.

  • @michaelstarling6361
    @michaelstarling6361 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The problem is, by the time those who say "there is no reason to fight" or "it's too early to fight" realize that they should have been fighting all along, they will say "it's too scary to fight".

  • @jackuber7358
    @jackuber7358 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is truly chilling how strong the parallels of current Evangelical realities with Lewis' amazingly prophetical book. But I must include at least one other nefarious character in the contemporary tableau of Evangelical elitists and that would be Mohler himself whose double-tongued expositions defend conservative Christian ideals publically while his actions behind the scenes within the SBC demonstrate something quite to the contrary. Trust is hard won but so easily squandered away once compromise slinks into ones heart.

  • @gdot9046
    @gdot9046 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After Covid I’ve lost all gusto about American xianity. If it isn’t historically reformed and confessional or ancient I’ll pass.

  • @carld2796
    @carld2796 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Evangelicals? "Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies." Love has clearly taken the back seat. Maybe getting back to "speaking the truth in love" would be a good first step.

  • @markrademaker5875
    @markrademaker5875 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt Trewhella is a good man.

  • @mostlydead3261
    @mostlydead3261 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it is just as dangerous to make an idol out of "the masses", "common man", "working man" as it is to elitisticaly make a devil out of them altho I really dont see a lot of ppl doing the latter as much as guys like u will accuse ur opponents of that..

    • @inglisbe1
      @inglisbe1 ปีที่แล้ว

      True. The working class has historically been a far greater threat to freedom than entrenched aristocracies.

    • @hokieham
      @hokieham ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ah…the old “making an idol” accusation that your idols make all the time.

    • @bobtaylor170
      @bobtaylor170 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@inglisbe1oh please! Unions enabled not just an expanding of economic prosperity, the building of a huge middle class, but of freedom. You haven't got any freedom if you haven't got any money.

    • @user-mx3kh8rj1t
      @user-mx3kh8rj1t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s not that anyone is making the working/middle class an idol. It’s that when these people see their formerly orthodox and trusted leaders betraying the faith (and them) by teaching and directing them into unbiblical justice movements and Leftist social justice theologies that the Lord raises up even more men like these and others such as Wilson, White, Durbin, Baucham and many more to open our eyes. We are waking up. We see, now. Thank God for these honorable and trustworthy men who are able to help us to realize that we have serious work to be accomplished in the Kingdom of God. Without these faithful men, the regular faithful would be devoured by elite, Evangelical wolves.

    • @user-mx3kh8rj1t
      @user-mx3kh8rj1t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well, I replied earlier, but someone censored my post. Seems to happen quite a bit, lately. It surely wasn’t the owner of the channel. One of those elite Leffftiss didn’t like seeing the truth. And to think many of our elite evangelical leaders have chosen that side over the children of God.

  • @mostlydead3261
    @mostlydead3261 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    it was pagan temples and philosophies back then yes, but u must see what place u occupy in the process.. ur faith is oriented towards the absolutely Other, towards the transcendent God.. ur called to deconstruct and abolish all idols, all established man-made structures that obstruct the absolute Otherness of God and to assume the stance of open hospitality towards the new and surprising.. in short, ur the Pharisees and pagan priests now whilst the ppl like them are furthering the Christian spirit..

  • @sam_the_davidson
    @sam_the_davidson ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Y'all are preaching today. Also, what a hilarious ending.

  • @floydmorgan6048
    @floydmorgan6048 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just listened to this on my podcatcher app; nice episode. Hello from Bellingham!

  • @markboland1181
    @markboland1181 ปีที่แล้ว

    My grandfather always said “what called most preachers to the “ministry” was a long row and a slow mule”. David French/Russel Moore are the archetypes of “long row, slow mule” “thinking”.

  • @stellifriends7785
    @stellifriends7785 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ethics always follow and depend upon epistemology.

  • @StevenBukovec
    @StevenBukovec ปีที่แล้ว

    Will the World column include Marvin Olasky's part in all this?

  • @fredscharf5148
    @fredscharf5148 ปีที่แล้ว

    Trump rejection: feelings over facts. If you held a position for years and Trump spoke it, you were immediately rejected, shamed, banished. Reasons and thinking and the why did not matter. Only yes or no on Trump mattered. Trump was evil, and any acceptance of him made you evil.
    The fact that y'all could tease out three progressive points on which people could be shamed for.
    When I read New Age material prior to my conversuon, there was always this argument that uf you accepted the first, and true, point...you had to swallow the whole line they were feeding. They used a single truth as bait to wrap all their lies around.
    So they fish for us with true bait and then use it against you to mentally enslaved you.

    • @fredscharf5148
      @fredscharf5148 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's hard to realize that what we are opposing is people who refuse to act according to any empathy for other people. We face off with narcissists, with whom you cannot negotiate or cooperate because whatever was human inside is dead. They are the human counterpart of demons, as one blogger put it (Diabolical Narcissism).

  • @conservativejoe4025
    @conservativejoe4025 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Cerebral evangelicalism embraces a form of godliness while denying its power. It is time to be spiritual again and let our light shine. The elites have never accepted truly godly men and women.

    • @mostlydead3261
      @mostlydead3261 ปีที่แล้ว

      can u explain what u mean by godly and spiritual? it seems as if u assume an opposition between "spirit" and intellect ("cerebral" evangelicals arent "spiritual").. can u elaborate that?

    • @conservativejoe4025
      @conservativejoe4025 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mostlydead3261 1 Co 2:6-12

    • @spartakos3178
      @spartakos3178 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      God demands and our lives are not complete without mind, body, and spirit obedience.
      Christians should be engaging with God with 100% mind, 100% body, and 100% spirit.

  • @rebsince71
    @rebsince71 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Most, in a place of influence and fame (regardless of genre, be it religion, entertainment, or politics), are drawn to “fence-straddling”…Otherwise, you immediately alienate half, or more, of your constituents. Religion is NOT immune to this. I’m not saying its right or moral, but it’s always there. This has been the norm ever since mankind has been walking the earth. Those who are truly following Christ care not about ANY of this. Pleasing God everyday should be the main goal of every person, regardless of their place or position. If that comes with losing that place or position, so be it. Be obedient to Him…