I was going to write the same comment, so thanks. Vr is heavy on cpu in vr. With a 5800x3d and a 4080super, I mostly have to play with the settings to avoid cpu bottleneck
I should finally educate myself and try to findout how to properly VR ... never know how to keep it steady since obviously you "Look around" in VR ... maybe sit VR on a table reset and then let benchmark run or so
@DanSuzuki as you said in another comment, the point might not be to make an usual benchmark, as the point is to max out 90fps (or 120). But may be to demonstrate, with same gpu, how much more supersampling and/or higher details you can put before getting cpu bottleneck.
@@DanSuzuki the MAIN thing is to NOT use FPS as the metric, But the CPU load ( if comparing a CPU ) or GPU load ( if comparing a GPU ) but pretty sure you already know that. Can't use FPS because they are going to be lock to the headset refresh rate. Tools like openXRToolkit can dump CPU render thread load and GPU load in a .csv I think.
I upgraded from a 7700x to a 9800x3d. Huge difference in iRacing. I have not seen any FPS less than 100 now when before I would drop into the 60s on the starting grid. Less fluctuations in FPS also seems to have less stuttering.
I'm thinking about this exact upgrade. What GPU are you using. And re you on a single monitor or triples, and what resolutuion? I'm running triple 1440 perfectly fine with a 7700x and 7900XT and graphics settings turned down quite a bit, but I would love to turn some graphics settings up if the upgrade will let me do that.
Try IMSA on Sebring at night this weak ! Last turns, them tell me how it went, just saying .... 13700K with RTX 3080 5120x1440p, performance was horrible there. I needed to make the race with AMD FSR, that I hate !
Thanks again Dan! You always provide us with benchmarks that are relevant to our resolutions and and gaming scenarios. Short and sweet, and to the point. I’ve said this before, but you are a true asset to our sim racing community. Btw, do you think VR would increase the difference between the 7800x3d, or does the game simply see the Pimax Crystal as more resolution (meaning still having a GPU bottleneck?)
@@joeyladouceur3483 just a matter of fact on the fist part of post. I Tell anyone and everyone I can the same. If want the best most concise info. Dan is the best. By far! And even helped guide me to a few items on my rig. Well said sir!
thank you very much :) I'm not super experienced in VR benchmarking - need to finally learn how to do that properly since it's a pretty relevant topic in simracing and also flying. but I'd expect most highend headsets will be GPU limited as you said since they have those crazy high resolutions.
@@DanSuzuki with VR and it all catches up one day I hope that you can basically put on a headset or as manufacturing gets creative basically a racing helmet that you put on and race. Who knows if it will go that route but would be really cool if they did. And marketing, helmet designs opens doors for lots of companies I would think. But would almost need to be like a part partial see through so you can see controls on rig as well. This tech and market I just see growing. Thank you for all you do sir! See you in next stream!
Thanks Dan, this is exactly the info I’ve been looking for. My 9800X3D is sitting on my desk, and my motherboard/SSD/RAM will arrive this week. I’m looking forward to moving on from the 5800X3D I currently have.
Not in English but shows that there's only a marginal difference between 5xx - 7xx. Certainly not worth the platform change costs! I'll be sticking with the 5800X3D for now I think until prices come down a bit 👇 th-cam.com/video/x7_mycc79rM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=C0VTevZmfHceBFcv
If you're coming from something or someone than a 7800x3d, this is a worthy upgrade. Running my 7700x against this with all settings to the extreme and not optimized, its over 130% increased at Spa with 20 cars.
Thanks Dan for the effort and time you invest giving this invaluable reviews with iRacing. I do find it weird that now iRacing is behaving a lot more like most game being GPU bottleneck at higher resolutions, while its true to some point, iRacing was always a CPU bound game that did benefit from faster CPUs, now i see its following the global trend more, where its loosing its CPU bound characteristic as resolution goes up. Looking forward for your review of the the RTX5090 + 9800X3D, its going to be a killer combo, and i feel the 9800X3D being the fastest CPU, will give the biggest stretch of legs to the RTX5090.
Ordered one but still waiting might have just missed the 1st wave of stock. Can’t wait to replace my 14900k with this it’s been no good even after bios updates.
I will just go for it, upgrading from 12700/DDR4 Ram and keeping my 3080Ti for the time being, planning to upgrade to 5090 when they get released. See how it goes for 1440p triples.
Hi Dan great video again 🎉. Can you please explain the pros and cons over gpus ie an rtx 4080/ (rtx4090 is crazy expensive) vs say the amd 7900xt or 7900xtx? As you said nvidia is best for iracing? Cheers
If you game on a single monitor then AMD can be a viable option. But with triples and higher resolutions nvidia takes the lead. Thats mostly due to the multi viewport optimization you can turn on in the iracing settings (SMP? SMT? I always forget the name, but its in the iRacing monitor settings 😅)
My PC exploded and I couldn't play. I remembered that I had an old PC stored away, so why not try it? It's an i5 2500k GPU HD 6950 2GB 16GB DDR3 1333. I get a warning before starting iRacing, but it runs at 720p, everything at a minimum of 50-60fps, hahaha, I didn't even believe it.
hope it will be stock soon, I bought 5700x3d and its nightmare (but better than 3950x), current IMSA Endurance Sebring at night, 20fps on start, GT3 Endurance Watkins glen (rain) 30FPS on start ... , GPU (6900xt) running at 130W ( so its about 50% of load), CPU 70 - 90%....
What would you say is better if you steam while racing ? the X3d or something like the 14900k. I personally found a big performance regression on the 14900k and Windows 11 24h2 compared to 23h2 and even comparing the 7800X3d i found windows 10 22H2 slightly faster than window 11 24H2 in iracing
Built my first PC a few years ago and would like to get into sim racing now. Current specs are 5600x and 3070ti can I get by with this or should I move to AM5 and go 9800X3D and 50 series when it comes out? Currently running a 32" 1440p single monitor
I recently switched from VR to 1440p triples and I was surprised to see how GPU bottlenecked I am. I built my PC back around late 2021 and after a lot of initial tuning in first months I stopped paying attention and just play. My PC has 5800x cpu and RTX 3080. On my new triples, with hwinfo64 graphs, iRacing typically shows max CPU is mostly 40-55% while GPU is 100%. In game fps is around 100. Compared to my VR (Reverb G2) it feels a step up in smoothness.
@@ПредводительПельмешек I made a typo, yes very GPU bottlenecked. I feel like my PC handles triple 1440p iRacing quite a bit better than VR which I did not expect. I am using pretty much Dan’s recommended iRacing graphics and reshade settings. Plus a bunch of racelabs overlays. My takeaway, is that unless maybe live-streaming, difference for me with upgrade to latest and greatest PC would be difficult to perceive.
@@krasic VR tends to be much harder to render than any 2d display setups its just the nature of it it has to render much higher resolution from 2 angles.
Do you have your replay settings the same as graphic settings? Used your settings with 4X MSAA at Spa with 20 cars and only got: 139.9, 90.4, 77.5. Also use Reshade as well.
Hi Dan, Right now I’m running a 4K big tv but want to go triples soon. In saying that and the bottle neck with the gpu I want to get triples with longevity in mind. Even with the 5090 on the horizon would you still get 1440 or 4k? I would go OLED since that’s what I run now and looks amazing. I’m worried that even in 4k triples that I would still have to turn down settings even with the 5090 (whenever that may drop). I have a 4090 now. Thank you for the video and all the help over time. Hope you have a great day!! (I know there is a similar post but hoping that this separate one will help with the analytics 😉)
Go with 4k if you can afford it. You can run 4k oleds in 1440 mode and they still look really good if you want more performance. This way as optimizations and gpus get better you can turn up the resolution to 4k without having to buy newonitors later
@@DanSuzuki yeah I figured I was just worried about if you could run them in 1440 or not. Would that be something you just program into the ini file to add triples or a setting within the monitor? I guess that’s a bridge I will cross once purchase. I mean my one 4k tv that can run at 120 FPS lots of the time, especially with events with lots of cars it can’t output 120 for a whole lap, thus no way it can run that many pixels with triples. But I have a intel, the same in vid and they have a similar program to over clock like you showed on flight channel that I watch or get asked about from kids in morning while getting ready for school. 😂😂. As always thank you for all the content and my son has a channel he watches for his FPS kinda games that he says are like you. Aka, no fluff, to the point, and just the best person to reference. Love it, love the learning that you offer as well! Thank you again!!
Hey Dan could you pls share your Motherboard as this makes quite the impact on DDR5 and overall performance? I just assume something like the new Gigabyte MB?
I have the 7600 non x paired with the 4080 and was thinking in upgrading to it. I ran triple 1440 and not sure how much I will gain. Can’t find benchmarks with my processor. I struggle a bit in the rain.
Something is wrong with the videos audio. The base is crazy high. I can watch the video on my mobile phone, but on PC with Logitech 2.1 speakers its all just base.
I don't understand. I have a old 12700k running 4k or vr and don't get more than 15% cpu. My 3080 ti is a extreme model and its the bottle neck not the cpu
You can't look at the % numbers to get an idea if you're bottlenecked or not. iRacing will use like 2 cores or so so even if those 2 cores are pushed to the max it will only show a low overall percentage since the other cores just sit there being bored.
If you're already on 7800x3d. It doesn't look like you really need this upgrade. However, if you're on a 5800x3d like myself. The upgrade to the 9800x3d. Will be quite a big improvement. Especially if you play ACC which is cpu intensive.
My PC is about 3.5 years old just upgraded to a 4080 Super from a 3070 ti. My CPU is a Ryzen 5800x also I am on an AM4 motherboard.I only get FPS drops when I record and race at the same time. Dan I followed your last video for changing settings in iRacing and OBS. I really don't want to spend the $$ on a new Motherboard CPU Combo what would be my best next option. Some people been telling me its my CPU. What do you think. Thanks.
That Shows that unless you are not upgrading from a couple generations older cpu you should better save the 500 bucks for the next gpu upgrade which will gain more fps per dollar spent then an cpu upgrade.
yeah, most likely! but then again ... the 5090 will probably be 2000+ ... i think a upgrade to a 9800x3d while selling your 7800x3d might be good in terms of price/performance
@DanSuzuki the upgrade to a 5080 from your 4080 would get you more fps as the upgrade from the 7800x3d to the 9800x3d i would guess. And the 4080 can also be sold.
@@DansAirspace haha, i have not much experience with iracing. But with the visuals and the corrosponding fps performance in this game your statement is very funny to me 😂 And you know what. I will get myself a 5090 and a 9800x3d anyways 😂😂😂
I went from 5950x 3080 to 9800x3d 3080, went from 40-60 fps on VR with a terrible resolution to make everything pixelated to now getting capped 120 fps and no drops at ALL. Playing on 4480x2400 resolution. It makes the game beautiful and performance is amazing. With that jump on the same GPU is wild to me.
to be honest I just don't know how to properly bench VR content (since it often locks to specific fps and so on). in the end the results will be very comparable, if you're in a GPU bottleneck nothing will change and if you're in a CPU bottleneck you can expect 15-20% better performance from the 9800X3D. But if you have suggestions how to benchmark in VR I'd love to hear them :)
@@DanSuzuki I think IMSA this week at Sebring is a pretty good benchmark lmao. My FPS goes from mostly locked 90fps to mid 60s on the grid and never gets above 85fps during the race until the end. But I know even top end triple monitor setups have issues on this week's IMSA
Hey Dan, Would you say Nvidia handles sim racing better than AMD? I had to build a new pc and I have the 7800x3d but I'm unsure on what GPU to get. Would you prioritize better dlss and raytracing with Nvidia over the price of performance of AMD? Would going VR in the future have an impact on the decision as well?
Yeah but the 9950x3d is about to launch and supposedly a further 18% gain ove the 9800x3d this year on average so it will officially be amd first flagship that beats the 8 seriees lineup for gaming. And of course monster productivity. So I'm waiting lol Still if you own a 7800x3d which i don't then getting this imo doesn't make sense. Its not like you will truely notice it often in real usage situations. Also gl finding stock! They are sold out everywhere no only 3rd party sellers have them and scalpers so they are going for 700 to 850 already in the US for the 9800x3d.
Best Buy online had them in stock and I got one within 5 mins of waiting in queue 3 days ago. I still am receiving notices of them being available. I would check Best Buy if in the USA.
@justinmuntean7689 nice still very low and only some places. So its still rough. Plus that's a first come first serve thing and usually a walk in deal so they will last a little longer.
I upgrade from the 7800x3d for vr. And its much more stable. Its a boost for 120hz cpu render is down with 50% loading is faster. And no drops
oh that's good to know. I'm using PSVR2 on a 4090 with 7800x3D and was a bit annoyed that 120Hz doesn't hold on some tracks
please add VR benchmarks :) as extra FOV and rendering 2 scenes is heavier on CPU.
I was going to write the same comment, so thanks. Vr is heavy on cpu in vr. With a 5800x3d and a 4080super, I mostly have to play with the settings to avoid cpu bottleneck
I should finally educate myself and try to findout how to properly VR ... never know how to keep it steady since obviously you "Look around" in VR ... maybe sit VR on a table reset and then let benchmark run or so
@DanSuzuki as you said in another comment, the point might not be to make an usual benchmark, as the point is to max out 90fps (or 120). But may be to demonstrate, with same gpu, how much more supersampling and/or higher details you can put before getting cpu bottleneck.
@@DanSuzuki the MAIN thing is to NOT use FPS as the metric, But the CPU load ( if comparing a CPU ) or GPU load ( if comparing a GPU ) but pretty sure you already know that. Can't use FPS because they are going to be lock to the headset refresh rate.
Tools like openXRToolkit can dump CPU render thread load and GPU load in a .csv I think.
Check out Benchmark Odyssey. He does this for iracing very well.
I upgraded from a 7700x to a 9800x3d. Huge difference in iRacing. I have not seen any FPS less than 100 now when before I would drop into the 60s on the starting grid. Less fluctuations in FPS also seems to have less stuttering.
I'm thinking about this exact upgrade. What GPU are you using. And re you on a single monitor or triples, and what resolutuion?
I'm running triple 1440 perfectly fine with a 7700x and 7900XT and graphics settings turned down quite a bit, but I would love to turn some graphics settings up if the upgrade will let me do that.
Try IMSA on Sebring at night this weak ! Last turns, them tell me how it went, just saying .... 13700K with RTX 3080 5120x1440p, performance was horrible there. I needed to make the race with AMD FSR, that I hate !
probably great for vr
@ I have a 4090. Running on a 45” ultrawide at 3440x1440.
@@AndreMiguelLopes69same here. Sluggish 60 frames. Have iRacing gotten worse frame drops recently?
Thanks Dan!
It would be great if you can gibe us the result in VR 😊
Thanks again Dan! You always provide us with benchmarks that are relevant to our resolutions and and gaming scenarios. Short and sweet, and to the point. I’ve said this before, but you are a true asset to our sim racing community.
Btw, do you think VR would increase the difference between the 7800x3d, or does the game simply see the Pimax Crystal as more resolution (meaning still having a GPU bottleneck?)
@@joeyladouceur3483 just a matter of fact on the fist part of post. I Tell anyone and everyone I can the same. If want the best most concise info. Dan is the best. By far! And even helped guide me to a few items on my rig. Well said sir!
thank you very much :) I'm not super experienced in VR benchmarking - need to finally learn how to do that properly since it's a pretty relevant topic in simracing and also flying. but I'd expect most highend headsets will be GPU limited as you said since they have those crazy high resolutions.
@@DanSuzuki with VR and it all catches up one day I hope that you can basically put on a headset or as manufacturing gets creative basically a racing helmet that you put on and race. Who knows if it will go that route but would be really cool if they did. And marketing, helmet designs opens doors for lots of companies I would think. But would almost need to be like a part partial see through so you can see controls on rig as well. This tech and market I just see growing. Thank you for all you do sir! See you in next stream!
Exactly the review I wanted for sim racing....thanks mannnnnn💯
Thanks Dan, this is exactly the info I’ve been looking for. My 9800X3D is sitting on my desk, and my motherboard/SSD/RAM will arrive this week. I’m looking forward to moving on from the 5800X3D I currently have.
Would love to see another comparison with the 5800X3D included as that's what I'd be upgrading from (or not). Thanks for the benchmarks regardless!
Don’t have that one unfortunately
I also run the 5800x3d as well and run The Odyssey 49in G9. But recently just ordered 3 34in 1440p to see if I'm going to like triple screen more
Not in English but shows that there's only a marginal difference between 5xx - 7xx. Certainly not worth the platform change costs!
I'll be sticking with the 5800X3D for now I think until prices come down a bit 👇
th-cam.com/video/x7_mycc79rM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=C0VTevZmfHceBFcv
If you're coming from something or someone than a 7800x3d, this is a worthy upgrade. Running my 7700x against this with all settings to the extreme and not optimized, its over 130% increased at Spa with 20 cars.
wow those gains are amazing :)
Thanks Dan for the effort and time you invest giving this invaluable reviews with iRacing.
I do find it weird that now iRacing is behaving a lot more like most game being GPU bottleneck at higher resolutions, while its true to some point, iRacing was always a CPU bound game that did benefit from faster CPUs, now i see its following the global trend more, where its loosing its CPU bound characteristic as resolution goes up.
Looking forward for your review of the the RTX5090 + 9800X3D, its going to be a killer combo, and i feel the 9800X3D being the fastest CPU, will give the biggest stretch of legs to the RTX5090.
Thanks Dan. Good info.
Ordered one but still waiting might have just missed the 1st wave of stock. Can’t wait to replace my 14900k with this it’s been no good even after bios updates.
It's going to be great man. Coming from a 7700X, the boost is insane!
Thanks Dan, might upgrade from 13900k, minimum fps would be a nice boost 🤔
Currently running a 5900x/7900xt at 5120*1440p. Planning on moving to 9800x3d in the future and running 7680*1440p.
I will just go for it, upgrading from 12700/DDR4 Ram and keeping my 3080Ti for the time being, planning to upgrade to 5090 when they get released. See how it goes for 1440p triples.
just finished setting it up, switching from a 11900k. worst case scenario itll be the first needed step to get the most from the 50xx gpus
Amazing video ! lots of info!
Its a good time for me to build my first gaming and sim PC
So with my 7800x3d and 4090 with 64gb DDR5 It seems upgrading to the 9800x3d might be not worth the minimal lift.
Kinda hoped that the jump from the 7800x3d would be a little more.
Random question .. do you lot think its finally time to kick my 5950x out ? Mainly gaming with some digital drawing. ?
Hi Dan great video again 🎉.
Can you please explain the pros and cons over gpus ie an rtx 4080/ (rtx4090 is crazy expensive) vs say the amd 7900xt or 7900xtx? As you said nvidia is best for iracing?
Cheers
If you game on a single monitor then AMD can be a viable option. But with triples and higher resolutions nvidia takes the lead. Thats mostly due to the multi viewport optimization you can turn on in the iracing settings (SMP? SMT? I always forget the name, but its in the iRacing monitor settings 😅)
@@DanSuzuki perfect thank you.
These gains are impressive but its all at the low end, mostly 1080p gaming with a crazy GPU like a 4090.
it is not low end, it is responsive gaming, smooth experience no matter what
My PC exploded and I couldn't play. I remembered that I had an old PC stored away, so why not try it?
It's an i5 2500k GPU HD 6950 2GB 16GB DDR3 1333. I get a warning before starting iRacing, but it runs at 720p, everything at a minimum of 50-60fps, hahaha, I didn't even believe it.
Upgrade your GPU before getting a the rest of a new system, and you will be surprised at how not terrible the 2500K can often perform.
Are you going to test the intel core 9 285k soon?
no, it seems very bad for gaming at the moment. maybe ill have a look when/if intel can fix the latency issues
Did I miss it in the review or you didn't mention with what GPU you tested?
4090 :)
@ 😱 I was expecting almost double the frames with that GPU. It’s crazy…
Ram? Is it important to increase for example to 32 or 64GB?
hope it will be stock soon, I bought 5700x3d and its nightmare (but better than 3950x), current IMSA Endurance Sebring at night, 20fps on start, GT3 Endurance Watkins glen (rain) 30FPS on start ... , GPU (6900xt) running at 130W ( so its about 50% of load), CPU 70 - 90%....
What would you say is better if you steam while racing ? the X3d or something like the 14900k. I personally found a big performance regression on the 14900k and Windows 11 24h2 compared to 23h2 and even comparing the 7800X3d i found windows 10 22H2 slightly faster than window 11 24H2 in iracing
Built my first PC a few years ago and would like to get into sim racing now. Current specs are 5600x and 3070ti can I get by with this or should I move to AM5 and go 9800X3D and 50 series when it comes out? Currently running a 32" 1440p single monitor
On single monitor your specs are more than good enough
Thanks Dan. What’s GPU are you running?
4090
I recently switched from VR to 1440p triples and I was surprised to see how GPU bottlenecked I am. I built my PC back around late 2021 and after a lot of initial tuning in first months I stopped paying attention and just play. My PC has 5800x cpu and RTX 3080. On my new triples, with hwinfo64 graphs, iRacing typically shows max CPU is mostly 40-55% while GPU is 100%. In game fps is around 100. Compared to my VR (Reverb G2) it feels a step up in smoothness.
if gpu has 100% load then your definitely not cpu bottlenecked
@@ПредводительПельмешек I made a typo, yes very GPU bottlenecked. I feel like my PC handles triple 1440p iRacing quite a bit better than VR which I did not expect. I am using pretty much Dan’s recommended iRacing graphics and reshade settings. Plus a bunch of racelabs overlays. My takeaway, is that unless maybe live-streaming, difference for me with upgrade to latest and greatest PC would be difficult to perceive.
@@krasic VR tends to be much harder to render than any 2d display setups its just the nature of it it has to render much higher resolution from 2 angles.
Moin Dan, funktioniert dein SRS Code schon nicht mehr für simagic? :(
Do you have your replay settings the same as graphic settings? Used your settings with 4X MSAA at Spa with 20 cars and only got: 139.9, 90.4, 77.5. Also use Reshade as well.
so vr it doesnt matter much ?
5800x3d vs 7800x3d. vs 9800x3d
Hi Dan,
Right now I’m running a 4K big tv but want to go triples soon. In saying that and the bottle neck with the gpu I want to get triples with longevity in mind. Even with the 5090 on the horizon would you still get 1440 or 4k? I would go OLED since that’s what I run now and looks amazing. I’m worried that even in 4k triples that I would still have to turn down settings even with the 5090 (whenever that may drop). I have a 4090 now.
Thank you for the video and all the help over time. Hope you have a great day!!
(I know there is a similar post but hoping that this separate one will help with the analytics 😉)
I am in the same situation. Couldn’t have asked a better question. 👍
Go with 4k if you can afford it. You can run 4k oleds in 1440 mode and they still look really good if you want more performance.
This way as optimizations and gpus get better you can turn up the resolution to 4k without having to buy newonitors later
@@sirgriffinman ok perfect! That is what I was wondering as well. Thank you for the feedback!!
id buy 4k monitors - can always run them at 1440p. triple 4k performance is pretty horrible tbh 😅
@@DanSuzuki yeah I figured I was just worried about if you could run them in 1440 or not. Would that be something you just program into the ini file to add triples or a setting within the monitor?
I guess that’s a bridge I will cross once purchase. I mean my one 4k tv that can run at 120 FPS lots of the time, especially with events with lots of cars it can’t output 120 for a whole lap, thus no way it can run that many pixels with triples. But I have a intel, the same in vid and they have a similar program to over clock like you showed on flight channel that I watch or get asked about from kids in morning while getting ready for school. 😂😂. As always thank you for all the content and my son has a channel he watches for his FPS kinda games that he says are like you. Aka, no fluff, to the point, and just the best person to reference. Love it, love the learning that you offer as well! Thank you again!!
Dan, was this at the start of races? I’m getting way high FPS post start with a 13700 and 4090. At starts, it can be 70-90.
Hey Dan could you pls share your Motherboard as this makes quite the impact on DDR5 and overall performance? I just assume something like the new Gigabyte MB?
No it’s an older x670 aorus master
would of been nice to get one at retail pricing but scalpers are rampant. Ebay is trying to get 600-650 usd , dang scalpers
holy shit, that sucks. I set an alarm for release time and was able to buy the 2 I have at msrp luckily.
I have the 7600 non x paired with the 4080 and was thinking in upgrading to it. I ran triple 1440 and not sure how much I will gain. Can’t find benchmarks with my processor. I struggle a bit in the rain.
I swapped from nVidia to AMD and had nothing but problems, so much so that i had to fully return the PC and go back to nVidia
Where are people getting this CPU from? Here in the Uk its out of stock or scalped.
Something is wrong with the videos audio. The base is crazy high. I can watch the video on my mobile phone, but on PC with Logitech 2.1 speakers its all just base.
ill increase the low cut for the next ones, thanks for the feedback :)
I don't understand. I have a old 12700k running 4k or vr and don't get more than 15% cpu. My 3080 ti is a extreme model and its the bottle neck not the cpu
You can't look at the % numbers to get an idea if you're bottlenecked or not. iRacing will use like 2 cores or so so even if those 2 cores are pushed to the max it will only show a low overall percentage since the other cores just sit there being bored.
I mostly game at 4k on 4090 so my 5800x is probably fine for a few more gens.
If you're already on 7800x3d. It doesn't look like you really need this upgrade. However, if you're on a 5800x3d like myself. The upgrade to the 9800x3d. Will be quite a big improvement. Especially if you play ACC which is cpu intensive.
What GPU are you running if you dont mind me asking
4090
For those who run in 4K the improvement won't be very significant, right?
zero difference between all cpus i've tested in this benchmark.
@@DanSuzuki We have to wait for the implementation of DX12 to fully take advantage of the latest generation hardware
triple 4k is just insanely heavy on the GPU ... we probably need the 7090 for that :D
My PC is about 3.5 years old just upgraded to a 4080 Super from a 3070 ti. My CPU is a Ryzen 5800x also I am on an AM4 motherboard.I only get FPS drops when I record and race at the same time. Dan I followed your last video for changing settings in iRacing and OBS. I really don't want to spend the $$ on a new Motherboard CPU Combo what would be my best next option. Some people been telling me its my CPU. What do you think. Thanks.
Your only real upgrade without upgrading everything is a 5800x3d.
@advanceddarkness3 how much more would I get out of a 5800x3d from a regular 5800x? The highest my mobo can take 5900xt
So what when 5090 is out ?
Will it max out a 5090 ? In 4k
Hey Dan great review once again, do you plan on reviewing any Sigma Integrale motion systems?
Yes. Have one coming next week :)
Are you planning to benchmark it in ACC?
15-20% faster than the 7800X3D
@ even in triple 1440p or triple 4K? That’s astounding gains! I’m currently on 7600 non X and debating if/when should I upgrade
I did 1440p triple
@@DanSuzuki Thank you :)
That Shows that unless you are not upgrading from a couple generations older cpu you should better save the 500 bucks for the next gpu upgrade which will gain more fps per dollar spent then an cpu upgrade.
yeah, most likely! but then again ... the 5090 will probably be 2000+ ... i think a upgrade to a 9800x3d while selling your 7800x3d might be good in terms of price/performance
@DanSuzuki the upgrade to a 5080 from your 4080 would get you more fps as the upgrade from the 7800x3d to the 9800x3d i would guess. And the 4080 can also be sold.
@@khaos3433 maybe. what I learned from benchmarking iRacing: never assume what seems logical ... it often just makes zero sense :D
@@DansAirspace haha, i have not much experience with iracing. But with the visuals and the corrosponding fps performance in this game your statement is very funny to me 😂
And you know what. I will get myself a 5090 and a 9800x3d anyways 😂😂😂
@@khaos3433 you dont like spending tons of money to get 1998 style graphics with 54fps? :P
What gpu? Did I miss something?
4090
I would buy one, if it wasn't in extremely short supply and being scalped. Until then, I'm sticking with the 7800X3D.
No, No, you stay on same cpu, ty ty
I was able to get it online from Best Buy in the USA no problem, got delivered today, 3 days after order.
4K single is also gpu bottleneck?
not on a 4090.
@ I have 4070ti+5900x. So I guess 9800x3d wouldnt be much benefical for me with single 4K
From the 5900x I would expect huge gains
@@DanSuzuki oh okey, thanks bro! Helps a lot
X3D , is a gift from AMD , once you go X3D you cant go back.
Not a single word about VR performances :( kinda relevant for simracers
Yeah :P
Probably improves CPU spike drops, but vr tends to be more GPU heavy because of the huge rendering resolutions.
I went from 5950x 3080 to 9800x3d 3080, went from 40-60 fps on VR with a terrible resolution to make everything pixelated to now getting capped 120 fps and no drops at ALL. Playing on 4480x2400 resolution. It makes the game beautiful and performance is amazing. With that jump on the same GPU is wild to me.
to be honest I just don't know how to properly bench VR content (since it often locks to specific fps and so on). in the end the results will be very comparable, if you're in a GPU bottleneck nothing will change and if you're in a CPU bottleneck you can expect 15-20% better performance from the 9800X3D.
But if you have suggestions how to benchmark in VR I'd love to hear them :)
@@DanSuzuki I think IMSA this week at Sebring is a pretty good benchmark lmao. My FPS goes from mostly locked 90fps to mid 60s on the grid and never gets above 85fps during the race until the end. But I know even top end triple monitor setups have issues on this week's IMSA
Hey Dan, Would you say Nvidia handles sim racing better than AMD? I had to build a new pc and I have the 7800x3d but I'm unsure on what GPU to get. Would you prioritize better dlss and raytracing with Nvidia over the price of performance of AMD? Would going VR in the future have an impact on the decision as well?
yes, go nvidia for simracing.
5800X3D+4090=130+fps locked @ 3 X 1440P!
Im fine with my 7800X3D, better invest in a 5090 next year
It will be my choice too
Das Boot!
Huge if true
If true? Why should he post something untrue mate. Every benchmark ive seen so far corresponds with this from Dan
Maybe I not only own Suzuki but also AMD? 🤔😜
@@DanSuzuki we all join together to smoke that Intel packwatch
Yeah but the 9950x3d is about to launch and supposedly a further 18% gain ove the 9800x3d this year on average so it will officially be amd first flagship that beats the 8 seriees lineup for gaming. And of course monster productivity. So I'm waiting lol
Still if you own a 7800x3d which i don't then getting this imo doesn't make sense. Its not like you will truely notice it often in real usage situations.
Also gl finding stock! They are sold out everywhere no only 3rd party sellers have them and scalpers so they are going for 700 to 850 already in the US for the 9800x3d.
Best Buy online had them in stock and I got one within 5 mins of waiting in queue 3 days ago. I still am receiving notices of them being available. I would check Best Buy if in the USA.
@justinmuntean7689 nice still very low and only some places. So its still rough. Plus that's a first come first serve thing and usually a walk in deal so they will last a little longer.
@@reviewforthetube6485 I ordered it online. Shipped it. There are twitter alerts for in stock items and when it flashes you go and grab it.
VR?
Me downgrading to a 12900k cause my 14900k degraded 🥲