If the batter has to be alert (looking at the pitcher) before the wind up starts then why aren’t umpires holding up the ✋, like they used to when a batter would ask for time while they dug in the box, and then giving the pitcher the 👉once the umpire recognizes the batter is looking? Shouldn’t making sure the batter is ready be the responsibility of the umpire not the pitcher?
The batter should have to blow a kiss to the pitcher to let him know he's ready. The first game starts in a couple hours and I'm already done with this season.
Because batters hit with runners on base often, and you can't put your hand up and call time while waiting for the batter to be ready. Putting your hand up is officially a signal of time being out. Nobody asked for time, you don't want to call time and disallow any pick-offs or balks that could happen because you're calling time.
It's mainly because baseball is so stubborn to change, they just leave rules in the rule book when they clearly need changed or just keep it in the game for no reason like the runners lane rule.
@@martelkapo You Tube comments are a terrible form of communication. I failed to communicate effectively. I wasn’t referring to the pitcher. Of course you can’t eject a pitcher for a legal pitch. This pitcher violated no rule. Someone stated the don’t do that again rule is stupid, and there is no actual enforcement. There are don’t do that again rules, and the penalty for doing it again can be ejection. Throwing at a batter is one such rule. If a pitcher is warned about throwing at a batter and then does it again he is ejected.
The batter has a clock as well. I believe he has until the clock hits 8 seconds. Waiting for the batter to be ready is a safety issue. Imagine not being alert with a 100mph fastball coming at him
@@bakerman10 But then they still get another second or two because the pitcher can't deliver a "quick pitch". So if I'm the batter there's zero chance I'm looking until exactly 8 seconds.
Reminds me of Nestor's famous showdown with Otani, where he used every trick he had to throw Otani's timing off. After an allstar 2022, this new pitch clock should make him even more effective.
I thought I would like the pitch clock but the more I see I'm starting to hate it. I can't imagine it speeds up the game that much. I've heard average 25 mins a game. So just under 3 mins a full inning.
How is that not an alteration? I understand he’s not interrupting, but that’s clearly not remotely close to his “natural delivery” as demonstrated earlier. So what exactly is an alteration to a windup delivery? In what situation would that be the case??
There is no such thing as an alteration of a delivery from the wind- up position. Louie Tiant had 20 different types of deliveries. There is no rule that a pitcher must be uniform in his delivery style. There’s a rule from the set position that a pitcher must deliver a pitch without hesitation or alteration, but it does not mean he can’t come set with his hands in a different position, or delivery the pitch at different speeds, or arm angles. The pitcher can not hesitate to deliver a pitch once he reaches the time of pitch, or in other words, is committed to pitch by a movement of his arm or legs that commits him to pitch, and do so without hesitation. This is why Lindsay points out the pitcher in the case play is pitching from the wind - up.
Check your rule book again re: the Windup - (1) The Windup Position The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his pivot foot in contact with the pitcher’s plate and the other foot free. From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot. When a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his body, with his pivot foot in contact with the pitcher’s plate and his other foot free, he will be considered in the Windup
@@natebrowell4646 check the M.L.B. umpire manual. Like scripture, the baseball rules must be interpreted. I use Greek to interpret the New Testament and I read commentaries. Obviously the rule book is interpreted by MLB umpires and the rules committee. I don’t like what the Yankee pitcher did, but it’s not illegal by the rule interpretation. Hope you are well and happy. Peace.
There are so many variables that haven’t even been thought of yet! It’ll be interesting for sure. I think it’s possible for them to go, “Hey, yeah this time clock idea, ah, umm, let’s just turn it off and play baseball.
It gives the umpires more control over the outcome of the game. It's all about rigging it for gambling purposes. That's where all the money is. They had an entire season without fans in the stands. They don't care about attendance or TV ratings.
Can you see the home team walking off the field if game winning hit with a pitching violation? I fear for the umpires safety. Nobody will accept a pitching violation if there is an rbi much less game winning hit. Fans will be livid declining the violation has to occur..
@@bakerman10 you don't get it a pitching violation trumps scoring a run! You cannot have game winning hit nullified because the pitcher had a violation! You are then penalizing the wrong team.
New rules are always put in place so that officials have more control over the outcome of the game for gambling purposes. It's just like how the NFL makes new rules or specifically emphasizes calling certain penalties at the beginning of the season. "They are going to call illegal contact more often this year." It's all about rigging it. It's a commie tactic of making everything illegal and then selective enforcement in order to get the outcome they want.
I can see managers and umpires going at it with this kind of thing happening. A lot of pitchers don’t like the clock and will try to find ways to piss off umpires. It’s going to be a interesting season.
I may not understand this new rule fully; but in the first pitch to batter in question where you explained (at 0:23 of the video) that the pitch clock starts it appears the batter is ready and alert to the pitcher and then leaves that position. Absent any rule I am currently aware of, such as the Scherzer Rule, if a batter is in a ready and alert position before the 8 sec mark can they leave it? And if so how close? Can the come ready and alert at 15 sec, leave at 10, and the pitcher get a Scherzer violation because they became set at 9 sec even though the batter only had to finally be set at 8. I am just curious if there is currently a rule about that, or if that will just be the next clarification in the rule.
I would imagine that (at least under the new rules) once a batter has become "reasonably set" they cannot become "un-set"/"not ready". That's the only logical system given the short time frames involved.
I get the point of a pitch clock, but you cannot simultaneously have a pitch clock and let the batter go through their routine. It’s a weird rule to punish pitchers that constantly shake off the catchers call while the batter is set. Make it so the battery can call for a pitch while the batter does their routine, and the clock becomes in to play once the pitcher is set.
@@michaelrudolph7003correct, technically the hitter has up until the 8 second mark to make his adjustments and become alert to the pitcher. So the longest a pitcher would have to wait is 12 seconds, and the longest a hitter would need to wait is 8. Fair.
It's like the NFL they keep passing all the subject calls gives umpire more control to influence the outcome of the game after all it's about Vegas betting to control who's going to make money and that sir is Las Vegas. It's now Major League Entertainment and competitive baseball has just ended.
Garcia loves to do that delayed leg kick but you are obviously making a move home with the leg so you can’t do it if someone is on base. It looks weird
Hey-had a couple of odd plays in Monday's Giants/As game. First one happened when one of SF's "ball dudes" caught a pop foul, just as the Oakland LF slid in to make a catch. I thought for sure that the batter would be called out (based on the idea of a fan reaching into the field of play to catch a similar ball), but nothing was called. Is it a case where on a ball that was never fair, the ballgirl/dude is considered part of the on-field equipment (like the tarp)? Second one happened in the top of the 7th: runners on the corners and a bloop to shallow left. LF can't quite get to it. The runner from third scores, and LF guns the throw to second. It looks like the fielder catches the ball with his foot on the bag before the runner gets there, but the 2nd base umpire called him safe and there didn't seem to be much discussion, which makes me think it was a "blowout in the last game of spring training" situation and nobody wanted to make a thing out of it.
@Kevin L it doesn't matter if an issue occurs a majority of a time or even 25-30% of a time. The point is this pitch clock business is going to create issues and confusion in many key moments in ball games that WILL cost teams games, and possibly even affect a team's season. And this sport does not need that. They have essentially created a problem to solve a problem.
Ponscum The pitchers need time That twit commissioner again How many bad rule changes are there going to be before we redo everything from top to bottom Seriously
This pitch clock rule makes zero sense. The batter could just not look up and run out the clock every time. Damn the MLB just keeps getting more stupid with every rule they add.
So this rule has saved an avg of 20 minutes per game so far this year during spring training… so games are now a bit over 3 hours instead of 3.5. Seems like all it’s done is give umpires more spotlight to act like asshats. Stupid rule.
@@RDMcFunky actually, I agree with you that it will be more of a reason for umps to be asses. Just throwing in that point to highlight that the times weren’t even as bad as it’s been made out to be.
I like the clock on the batter, because some tend to step out and “adjust” everything between each pitch. That is where I’ve always felt the biggest waste of time existed. The pitch clock I honestly don’t get. Being an ex minor league catcher, there’s so much to the game defensively that takes time. Especially with runners on. The pitcher needs to be able to hold a runner close to the base to help prevent stealing. It limits “shake offs” by the pitcher (that part I appreciate), but the communication between pitcher and catcher with runners on is an essential part of the game. 20 seconds is a short time for a catcher to receive signals, relay them to his infield, check the batter and call pitch. Keep in mind, the batter doesn’t have to be ready until the 8 second mark.
They had a much better rule in the minors the past couple years. Basically, the batter had to stay in the box and be ready, unless it was after a foul ball (where he may have been running after he hit the ball, or fouled a ball off his shin, or something like that.), or after a swing and miss where the batter loses his balance on the follow through (then he was given time to get set again). I believe the clock on the pitcher was 20 seconds all the time (clock starting as soon as he got the ball from the catcher). In between innings, the clock started at 2 1/2 minutes, and when it hit zeroes the pitcher was expected to be ready to pitch (didn't get your 8 warmups in? Too bad.) and the batter was expected to step into the batter's box and get set. And no, there wasn't any extra time added after those innings when the ground crew would drag the infield. I live near Pittsburgh, and I enjoy driving just a little under 2 hours to go watch the Pirates' AA team up in Altoona. With the pitch clock the way they used it, I could attend a 7 PM game (which would routinely finish up around 9:30 or so) and almost always be home before midnight, unless there were fireworks after the game. I don't see why that rule could not be adopted as is. Well, I can, actually. If all these intricacies weren't added, then Rob Manfred couldn't look like the smartest guy in the room, fashioning the rule (even though we all know he's a fxxxing moron). And the whole "1 time out during an at bat" was because Manfred didn't have the balls to really lay down the law with the Batter's Box Divas of MLB. And the "automatic runner in extra innings" rule sucks the exhaust pipe as well. Bring back Fay Vincent. Or Bowie Kuhn. Or Judge Landis.
@@archie15900 Baseball was great because there was no time limit. They lost fans because it costs an absurd amount of money to go to a game and they can't figure out how to broadcast the games to a mass audience with people cutting the cord. They should just make every game free on TH-cam. The game was fine the way it was for 150 years it's just that the execs won't take a haircut for a little bit.
Just make a time where the batter has to be looking and the pitcher can pitch after that at any point. If they're happy with 8 seconds, then say that the batter HAS to be looking by10 seconds, then the pitcher can deliver at any point from 8 to 0. This quick pitch stuff is stupid.
So he cant pitch before the batter is ready, the batter has no time limit to be ready, but the clock is still running the entire time? So the batter can be ready at 1 seconds remaining and he has to just throw as quick as possible or he gets a ball?
They should start the pitch clock when chief points to pitcher because that’s usually when the batter is ready. To have it start when pitcher is on the rubber gives an advantage to the pitcher
@Kevin L Get real. Baseball was more fun to watch in the 80s when you can take out 2nd base in a double play. Now we got a bunch of delicate flowers playing baseball.
Easy answer: If you're a batter in the box, be ready for the pitch. Did it all the time, you're in it, time to play. Not a quick pitch at all, more of LETS GO!
over the last 2 years, I have come to hate this form of baseball. Probably won't watch a single game. Mansfred has screwed the game up. and I'm trying to figure out why? It's definitely not helping the game attract more fans. If anything, it's costing them the current baseball fans.
I can already tell that the once great game of baseball has been turned into a big pile of horse shit. All because they save an average of 22 minutes per game. People go to games to enjoy the players perform, not to watch a clock to see if the batter or the pitcher is ready
Frankly, if the clock is running, the pitcher should be able to throw. You're telling the pitchers that they have 15 seconds to start their windup but you actually can't use those 15 seconds since part of those 15 seconds is waiting for the batter to be ready. Clock should then start running when the batter is ready.
He can quick pitch all he wants if the batter is ready. The batter was initially looking and then looked down. That is the whole point of quick pitching. To catch a batter off guard and disrupt his timing.
I would think you could argue that this is not delivering the ball "without alteration" and that him moving his foot forward and then back and forward and back is not part of his "actual delivery"
Thank you! I really need a rules expert to codify WTF constitutes an alteration, because I’m 100% in agreement with this take. Brought this up in an association meeting last year and said I wouldn’t call it if told not to - but I never actually ever got an answer to my question, “then what the hell is an alteration?” My whole argument is if you want to fuck with your delivery, then pitch from Set. There is nothing in the rule that says you can’t change your delivery, you just have to come set before delivering.
There is no prohibition from the wind-up position. Pitcher can deliver the ball differently on every pitch. From the set position this is the rule: 5.07(a)(2)- After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption. - Umpires use a concept known as time of pitch. Any movement of the hands or non pivot foot is a natural motion associated with the pitch. Once the pitcher is committed to pitch and has reached the point of “ time of pitch,” he must deliver a pitch without hesitation. The pitcher is not locked into a pattern of delivery. The idea is about one continuous motion. Left handed pitchers will hang their non pivot leg in the air in an attempt to freeze a runner on first base. It’s illegal because he has not delivered a pitch in a smooth continuous motion. He hesitated, and altered the normal rhythm of a pitch being delivered to home plate.
@@bakerman10 If they changed the speed limit to 1 mph around your neighborhood youd be the only one ever doing the limit and nothing more. You rule lovers... sheesh.
If the pitch clock is counting down, then the pitcher should be able to pitch the ball at any given moment. It shouldn’t matter if the batter isn’t looking or not. This is the problem that baseball has with the pitch clock.
They want to speed up play with these new clock rules, but players will play every possible angle to their own advantage until the new rules are fine tuned or abolished
Ironically, he used to be a 88-90mph pitcher and now sits around 92-94 w his fastball. Def good enough for a left handed who varies speeds and delivery timing to the plate. Nestor is pure fire 🔥 on the mound.
What happens when the batters start to look down and not get set for 15 seconds so as to draw a walk I think that they're going to have alot of problems with rule and alot of pitchers and catchers will get ejected because of getting frustrated
When I used to watch the games, yeah, so it's 3 hours. Big deal. Nowadays, games are full-blown advertising platforms, what with the corporate naming rights john's name plastered all over the place, all the 'official widget' signs behind and around home plate, the on-screen text telling us where the pitch went, who is sponsoring the replay, and I am sure there are other on-screen info things I don't see since I don't watch the games any more. Even this video has a "Presented by" image burned into the screen. Just tell us who the sponsor is and put their link in the description, and if you want, sure, verbally tell us the presenting sponsor's name at the beginning. I remembered another piece of info: the line-up presentation. Is that ceremony still presented on-camera to allow for a 'presented by xyz'? And let's not forget the classic, "This call to the bullpen is brought to you by AT&T." Yeah, it was funny the first time we heard it. O/c every other call to the bp isn't really so worthy. I know that football has 60 minutes of playing time and the reason the games have gotten so long is due to basically tv commercial breaks where everyone is just standing around waiting for the ads to finish. And of course stuffing more ad time into the breaks in the action. Has the inning break time been extended in the past few years? And pitching changes also extend the game. And since nobody goes a full game, you've got at least 3 or 4 pitching changes that didn't happen back in the day.
@@bikeny Yep. You got a lot of it right. I think the new rule changes are so that they are able to give the umps more control over the final outcome for gambling reasons. Now base hits, walks, runs and outs can be negated or awarded by the umpires because some silly thing happened like a pitcher or hitter taking too long to do something. It's just so absurd. The ghost runner on 2nd in extras bothers the crap out of me. If a game goes 18 innings, so what. That's baseball. The game jumped the shark.
Back in the day if your in the "Batters Box" then your ready. I've seen so many big league batters just play around but if both feet are in the box your ready... so this rule is dumb as hell.
It's all great but when there's only 10 sec on the clock if the batter is not ready imo it's the batter's fault. You can't add a clock and then let the batter takes all the time in the world to be ready with only 3-4 sec left on the clock for the pitcher to make the pitch.
Wow- I always thought a quick pitch was perfectly legal. Should be up to the batter to be ready! Well, at least this year the batters can't step out after every pitch and play with their gloves for 45 seconds.
Why are umpires allowed to "show up" the batter on a third strike call? I think some confrontations could be avoided if the umpire just used their normal mechanic.
The thing that made baseball the greatest game in sports, was there was NO clock. Baseball losing fans has nothing to do with the length of the game... for over a 100yrs the game was fine. At the end of the day, "go woke, go broke" is what hurt MLB. Bad choices by the league and teams leading to Strikes. The fans just got tired of being punished. This is just another bad decision by the league.
If you are the batter and have both feet in the box, you are reasonably set. If you are not paying attention to your surroundings while in the box, whose fault is that?
I can hardly wait for an intentional walk where the pitcher just lets the clock expire 4 times.
Be even better if that happens with a pitcher on a visiting team. Troll the entire stadium
That would never happen. There are rules that govern that. Intentionally delaying the game.
@@Drob86 nothing speeds up a game like intentionally delaying it
Love it
@@Drob86 oh look, we have an expert here.
I gotta give Cortes credit for a quality troll in response to the quick-pitch call.
But the ump's call was right.
@@bakerman10 did mans say bs call no he said quick pitch call showing he didn't disagree with it
That was a good Luis Tiant!
@@RebelPilgrimLife - you got that right, he did have that herky jerky motion in his delivery.
I mean you can argue that 'trolling' is Cortes' specialty, using techniques no other pitcher uses to throw off the hitter's timing and focus.
If the batter has to be alert (looking at the pitcher) before the wind up starts then why aren’t umpires holding up the ✋, like they used to when a batter would ask for time while they dug in the box, and then giving the pitcher the 👉once the umpire recognizes the batter is looking?
Shouldn’t making sure the batter is ready be the responsibility of the umpire not the pitcher?
Exactly. Also the batter should be have a timeline if the pitcher is going to have one
The batter should have to blow a kiss to the pitcher to let him know he's ready. The first game starts in a couple hours and I'm already done with this season.
@@jaad9848 They do. At 8 seconds left the pitcher can pitch whether the batter is looking or not.
Because batters hit with runners on base often, and you can't put your hand up and call time while waiting for the batter to be ready.
Putting your hand up is officially a signal of time being out.
Nobody asked for time, you don't want to call time and disallow any pick-offs or balks that could happen because you're calling time.
Im annoyed with the pitch clock
We always grew up playing: if you (the batter) are in the box and not asking for time with a hand up, you need to be ready to receive a pitch.
2 feet in the box means ur ready where i grew up
Except you're not a prima donna.
Next year they'll be playing T-ball !
You saw the actual text of the rule, right? That's not a new rule.
Maybe you did, but that is not the rule in real baseball.
I've never understood the purpose of a "Don't Do That" rule, since there really isn't any way to enforce it.
It's mainly because baseball is so stubborn to change, they just leave rules in the rule book when they clearly need changed or just keep it in the game for no reason like the runners lane rule.
"C'mon, man. Please?" rule
Ejection is the enforcement.
@@rayray4192 ejecting a pitcher for a legal delivery would be abominable
@@martelkapo You Tube comments are a terrible form of communication. I failed to communicate effectively. I wasn’t referring to the pitcher. Of course you can’t eject a pitcher for a legal pitch. This pitcher violated no rule. Someone stated the don’t do that again rule is stupid, and there is no actual enforcement. There are don’t do that again rules, and the penalty for doing it again can be ejection. Throwing at a batter is one such rule. If a pitcher is warned about throwing at a batter and then does it again he is ejected.
It's a little silly to put the pitcher on a clock, but then give the batter control over when the ball can be pitched, isn't it?
Id be stepping in the box and keeping my head down for seconds.
FYI, the batter has to be looking at the pitcher with at least 8 seconds left. I personally think these new rules are exactly what was needed.
@@bakerman10 then why not put them on a clock to look up and the pitcher on a clock after that? Why mess around with the lead-up on the clock?
The batter has a clock as well. I believe he has until the clock hits 8 seconds. Waiting for the batter to be ready is a safety issue. Imagine not being alert with a 100mph fastball coming at him
@@bakerman10 But then they still get another second or two because the pitcher can't deliver a "quick pitch". So if I'm the batter there's zero chance I'm looking until exactly 8 seconds.
I absolutely love Cortes. He is such an entertaining pitcher
I remember as a kid we knew if both feet were in the box, we should expect a pitch. This game sucks anymore with clocks on everything.
The players couldn't be trusted to manage that on their own, so now they have to be treated like the children they allowed themselves to become.
Reminds me of Nestor's famous showdown with Otani, where he used every trick he had to throw Otani's timing off. After an allstar 2022, this new pitch clock should make him even more effective.
I thought I would like the pitch clock but the more I see I'm starting to hate it. I can't imagine it speeds up the game that much. I've heard average 25 mins a game. So just under 3 mins a full inning.
Me too. In the minor leagues the past few years, they had a much simpler rule, and it worked fine.
It's all to give the umpires more control of the final outcome of the game. It's all about making money through gambling.
So wait. The pitch clock starts even if the batter isn’t looking? Terrible.
How is that not an alteration? I understand he’s not interrupting, but that’s clearly not remotely close to his “natural delivery” as demonstrated earlier. So what exactly is an alteration to a windup delivery? In what situation would that be the case??
Nestor doesn’t have a “nAtuRaL dEliVery” he switches it up from time to time along with his throw. Sometimes he does a sidearm toss
There is no such thing as an alteration of a delivery from the wind- up position. Louie Tiant had 20 different types of deliveries. There is no rule that a pitcher must be uniform in his delivery style. There’s a rule from the set position that a pitcher must deliver a pitch without hesitation or alteration, but it does not mean he can’t come set with his hands in a different position, or delivery the pitch at different speeds, or arm angles. The pitcher can not hesitate to deliver a pitch once he reaches the time of pitch, or in other words, is committed to pitch by a movement of his arm or legs that commits him to pitch, and do so without hesitation. This is why Lindsay points out the pitcher in the case play is pitching from the wind - up.
No such thing as a natural delivery in the rule book. You can have a different delivery for every pitch of the game.
Check your rule book again re: the Windup - (1) The Windup Position
The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his pivot foot in
contact with the pitcher’s plate and the other foot free. From
this position any natural movement associated with his
delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch
without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot
from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball
to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step
forward with his free foot.
When a pitcher holds the ball with both hands in front of his
body, with his pivot foot in contact with the pitcher’s plate
and his other foot free, he will be considered in the Windup
@@natebrowell4646 check the M.L.B. umpire manual. Like scripture, the baseball rules must be interpreted. I use Greek to interpret the New Testament and I read commentaries.
Obviously the rule book is interpreted by MLB umpires and the rules committee. I don’t like what the Yankee pitcher did, but it’s not illegal by the rule interpretation. Hope you are well and happy. Peace.
There are so many variables that haven’t even been thought of yet! It’ll be interesting for sure. I think it’s possible for them to go, “Hey, yeah this time clock idea, ah, umm, let’s just turn it off and play baseball.
PITCH CLOCK FOR PRESIDENT
You solve this by letting people play baseball and not worrying about a clock or advertisers...who is pushing the clock? fans?
It's all about more revenue. Same $ to get in. They get the same amount of $ from advertisement.
I'll never go to a ballgame again.
It gives the umpires more control over the outcome of the game. It's all about rigging it for gambling purposes. That's where all the money is. They had an entire season without fans in the stands. They don't care about attendance or TV ratings.
I hate the pitch clock
Ey why are they giving control to the batter when the clocks on the pitcher?
@kevinl3875 what's obvious is the batter can then put the pitch clock at 7 seconds
Have you ever watched Nestor pitch before ? Because you’d know he did this last year and I believe the year before .
Next years rule: A pitcher and hitter must smile and wink and each other and say “Tee-Hee” with a blown kiss before a pitch can be delivered
Can you see the home team walking off the field if game winning hit with a pitching violation? I fear for the umpires safety. Nobody will accept a pitching violation if there is an rbi much less game winning hit. Fans will be livid declining the violation has to occur..
Why? It's like any other rule. A balk has ended a game before. The umps will be fine.
@@bakerman10 you don't get it a pitching violation trumps scoring a run! You cannot have game winning hit nullified because the pitcher had a violation! You are then penalizing the wrong team.
New rules are always put in place so that officials have more control over the outcome of the game for gambling purposes. It's just like how the NFL makes new rules or specifically emphasizes calling certain penalties at the beginning of the season. "They are going to call illegal contact more often this year." It's all about rigging it. It's a commie tactic of making everything illegal and then selective enforcement in order to get the outcome they want.
I can see managers and umpires going at it with this kind of thing happening. A lot of pitchers don’t like the clock and will try to find ways to piss off umpires. It’s going to be a interesting season.
The pitch clock is ruining the game. Pro leagues in Japan, Mexico, Dominican Republic, and others, are laughing at how MLB is playing baseball
the pitch clock is more trouble than it's worth, period.
I may not understand this new rule fully; but in the first pitch to batter in question where you explained (at 0:23 of the video) that the pitch clock starts it appears the batter is ready and alert to the pitcher and then leaves that position. Absent any rule I am currently aware of, such as the Scherzer Rule, if a batter is in a ready and alert position before the 8 sec mark can they leave it? And if so how close? Can the come ready and alert at 15 sec, leave at 10, and the pitcher get a Scherzer violation because they became set at 9 sec even though the batter only had to finally be set at 8. I am just curious if there is currently a rule about that, or if that will just be the next clarification in the rule.
I would imagine that (at least under the new rules) once a batter has become "reasonably set" they cannot become "un-set"/"not ready". That's the only logical system given the short time frames involved.
Imagine Cortes figuring out how to use the pitch clock to his advantage and going on a Cy Young winning season.
I am definitely not a Yankees fan, but I love watching Cortes pitch. Similar to Scherzer - just messing with the batter and umpire!😂
I get the point of a pitch clock, but you cannot simultaneously have a pitch clock and let the batter go through their routine. It’s a weird rule to punish pitchers that constantly shake off the catchers call while the batter is set.
Make it so the battery can call for a pitch while the batter does their routine, and the clock becomes in to play once the pitcher is set.
The pitcher can pitch at any time regardless of the batter with 8 or less seconds left on the clock. So that part is already covered.
@@michaelrudolph7003correct, technically the hitter has up until the 8 second mark to make his adjustments and become alert to the pitcher.
So the longest a pitcher would have to wait is 12 seconds, and the longest a hitter would need to wait is 8. Fair.
there is nothing that says the batter must be "alert" the rule reads" reasonably set"
Says "alert to the pitcher" in rule 5.07 a-2-c
Where are you looking at to see the other "reasonably set"?
Announcer said “Toby Basner” instead of Reed Basner……🤔
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@@LindsayImber1 are they brothers????? 🤯
@@ChristianClayton2000 Yes, I believe so. Their father also umpires (obviously not in the MLB/MiLB system).
i think back when i was a kid they actually played baseball
Read my mind...... think about it all sports are like this now. There making me hate every game
It's like the NFL they keep passing all the subject calls gives umpire more control to influence the outcome of the game after all it's about Vegas betting to control who's going to make money and that sir is Las Vegas. It's now Major League Entertainment and competitive baseball has just ended.
Garcia loves to do that delayed leg kick but you are obviously making a move home with the leg so you can’t do it if someone is on base. It looks weird
Btw that's not Toby Basner. It's his brother Reid Basner.
Hey-had a couple of odd plays in Monday's Giants/As game.
First one happened when one of SF's "ball dudes" caught a pop foul, just as the Oakland LF slid in to make a catch. I thought for sure that the batter would be called out (based on the idea of a fan reaching into the field of play to catch a similar ball), but nothing was called. Is it a case where on a ball that was never fair, the ballgirl/dude is considered part of the on-field equipment (like the tarp)?
Second one happened in the top of the 7th: runners on the corners and a bloop to shallow left. LF can't quite get to it. The runner from third scores, and LF guns the throw to second. It looks like the fielder catches the ball with his foot on the bag before the runner gets there, but the 2nd base umpire called him safe and there didn't seem to be much discussion, which makes me think it was a "blowout in the last game of spring training" situation and nobody wanted to make a thing out of it.
Greet question. Giants hall dudes are cool. We know it’s not fan interference. Did the umpires rule there was no real opportunity to make a play?
I can already see this pitch clock stuff is going to be a mess
@Kevin L it doesn't matter if an issue occurs a majority of a time or even 25-30% of a time. The point is this pitch clock business is going to create issues and confusion in many key moments in ball games that WILL cost teams games, and possibly even affect a team's season. And this sport does not need that. They have essentially created a problem to solve a problem.
I remember when Cortes tried to pitch in a similar motion to Ohtani last year, the umpire called time and didn’t allow him to throw a ball.
Ponscum
The pitchers need time
That twit commissioner again
How many bad rule changes are there going to be before we redo everything from top to bottom
Seriously
The silly rules they've come up with its ruined all sports
This time clock ruins the timing of the game.
This pitch clock rule makes zero sense. The batter could just not look up and run out the clock every time. Damn the MLB just keeps getting more stupid with every rule they add.
Well, when you have a stupid commissioner.........................
On the first one umpire did seem to nod yes good to go? Might’ve also played a factor
So if the batter is "not ready" for ten seconds, then the pitcher gets only five seconds to pitch?
Nope, batter has to be ready with 8 seconds left or he gets a strike called on him.
Nestor is my FAVORITE.
Nestor is the bestor.
So this rule has saved an avg of 20 minutes per game so far this year during spring training… so games are now a bit over 3 hours instead of 3.5. Seems like all it’s done is give umpires more spotlight to act like asshats. Stupid rule.
Yes, although games were 3 hours are now 2.5. Some games are 3.5, but the average has always been just over 3.
@@webgem14 you missed the point I think but sure 3 to 2.5 sounds good.
@@RDMcFunky actually, I agree with you that it will be more of a reason for umps to be asses. Just throwing in that point to highlight that the times weren’t even as bad as it’s been made out to be.
You are on the right track. It gives the umps more control over the outcome of the game. It's all about rigging it for gambling purposes.
I like the clock on the batter, because some tend to step out and “adjust” everything between each pitch. That is where I’ve always felt the biggest waste of time existed. The pitch clock I honestly don’t get. Being an ex minor league catcher, there’s so much to the game defensively that takes time. Especially with runners on. The pitcher needs to be able to hold a runner close to the base to help prevent stealing. It limits “shake offs” by the pitcher (that part I appreciate), but the communication between pitcher and catcher with runners on is an essential part of the game. 20 seconds is a short time for a catcher to receive signals, relay them to his infield, check the batter and call pitch. Keep in mind, the batter doesn’t have to be ready until the 8 second mark.
Guess they will just have to do it a little quicker. Nobody wants 30-40 seconds between pitches.
@@vw8886 …..well, you can always spend 2 1/2 to 3 hours watching a 60 minute football game.
@@archie15900 they are losing fans because it is boring.. they turned it from a fun game into a machine that doesn't stop to have fun
They had a much better rule in the minors the past couple years. Basically, the batter had to stay in the box and be ready, unless it was after a foul ball (where he may have been running after he hit the ball, or fouled a ball off his shin, or something like that.), or after a swing and miss where the batter loses his balance on the follow through (then he was given time to get set again). I believe the clock on the pitcher was 20 seconds all the time (clock starting as soon as he got the ball from the catcher).
In between innings, the clock started at 2 1/2 minutes, and when it hit zeroes the pitcher was expected to be ready to pitch (didn't get your 8 warmups in? Too bad.) and the batter was expected to step into the batter's box and get set. And no, there wasn't any extra time added after those innings when the ground crew would drag the infield.
I live near Pittsburgh, and I enjoy driving just a little under 2 hours to go watch the Pirates' AA team up in Altoona. With the pitch clock the way they used it, I could attend a 7 PM game (which would routinely finish up around 9:30 or so) and almost always be home before midnight, unless there were fireworks after the game.
I don't see why that rule could not be adopted as is. Well, I can, actually. If all these intricacies weren't added, then Rob Manfred couldn't look like the smartest guy in the room, fashioning the rule (even though we all know he's a fxxxing moron). And the whole "1 time out during an at bat" was because Manfred didn't have the balls to really lay down the law with the Batter's Box Divas of MLB.
And the "automatic runner in extra innings" rule sucks the exhaust pipe as well. Bring back Fay Vincent. Or Bowie Kuhn. Or Judge Landis.
@@archie15900 Baseball was great because there was no time limit. They lost fans because it costs an absurd amount of money to go to a game and they can't figure out how to broadcast the games to a mass audience with people cutting the cord. They should just make every game free on TH-cam. The game was fine the way it was for 150 years it's just that the execs won't take a haircut for a little bit.
Nester does these antics all the time anyway. this aint new for him
and this makes baseball better... how?
Just make a time where the batter has to be looking and the pitcher can pitch after that at any point. If they're happy with 8 seconds, then say that the batter HAS to be looking by10 seconds, then the pitcher can deliver at any point from 8 to 0. This quick pitch stuff is stupid.
It already exists, the pitcher can pitch at 8 seconds regardless of what the batter is doing.
Love nasty Nester! My fav pitcher ! Wish everyone had as much fun.
So he cant pitch before the batter is ready, the batter has no time limit to be ready, but the clock is still running the entire time? So the batter can be ready at 1 seconds remaining and he has to just throw as quick as possible or he gets a ball?
Batter has to be ready with 8 seconds left.
They should start the pitch clock when chief points to pitcher because that’s usually when the batter is ready. To have it start when pitcher is on the rubber gives an advantage to the pitcher
The umps are gonna make the pitch clock way more painful then it needs to be arnt they
I was always told that If the batter is in the batters box and he is facing the pitcher, that means he is ready to receive a pitch .....am I wrong?
You’re right. He wasn’t facing the pitcher here.
Another dumb rule. If the batter has 2 feet in the box they should be considered ready. RIP quick pitch
@Kevin L Get real. Baseball was more fun to watch in the 80s when you can take out 2nd base in a double play. Now we got a bunch of delicate flowers playing baseball.
Easy answer: If you're a batter in the box, be ready for the pitch. Did it all the time, you're in it, time to play. Not a quick pitch at all, more of LETS GO!
That's what I was taught playinjg little league. You in that batter's box you gotta be ready.
over the last 2 years, I have come to hate this form of baseball. Probably won't watch a single game. Mansfred has screwed the game up. and I'm trying to figure out why? It's definitely not helping the game attract more fans. If anything, it's costing them the current baseball fans.
Cueto been shimmying like that for a minute... why are we acting like this is the first time we've ever seen it?
I can already tell that the once great game of baseball has been turned into a big pile of horse shit. All because they save an average of 22 minutes per game. People go to games to enjoy the players perform, not to watch a clock to see if the batter or the pitcher is ready
Definitely not the first or last time he's done this 😂
What if the batter is not ready for all 15 seconds?
He gets a strike called if not ready within 8 seconds.
@@cal2650 thx.
Frankly, if the clock is running, the pitcher should be able to throw. You're telling the pitchers that they have 15 seconds to start their windup but you actually can't use those 15 seconds since part of those 15 seconds is waiting for the batter to be ready. Clock should then start running when the batter is ready.
He can quick pitch all he wants if the batter is ready. The batter was initially looking and then looked down. That is the whole point of quick pitching. To catch a batter off guard and disrupt his timing.
I would think you could argue that this is not delivering the ball "without alteration" and that him moving his foot forward and then back and forward and back is not part of his "actual delivery"
Thank you! I really need a rules expert to codify WTF constitutes an alteration, because I’m 100% in agreement with this take. Brought this up in an association meeting last year and said I wouldn’t call it if told not to - but I never actually ever got an answer to my question, “then what the hell is an alteration?” My whole argument is if you want to fuck with your delivery, then pitch from Set. There is nothing in the rule that says you can’t change your delivery, you just have to come set before delivering.
I agree. Also, Cortes is a little baby.
There is no prohibition from the wind-up position. Pitcher can deliver the ball differently on every pitch. From the set position this is the rule: 5.07(a)(2)- After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption. - Umpires use a concept known as time of pitch. Any movement of the hands or non pivot foot is a natural motion associated with the pitch. Once the pitcher is committed to pitch and has reached the point of “ time of pitch,” he must deliver a pitch without hesitation. The pitcher is not locked into a pattern of delivery. The idea is about one continuous motion. Left handed pitchers will hang their non pivot leg in the air in an attempt to freeze a runner on first base. It’s illegal because he has not delivered a pitch in a smooth continuous motion. He hesitated, and altered the normal rhythm of a pitch being delivered to home plate.
@@natebrowell4646 alteration is a synonym for hesitation.
@@rayray4192 and the pitcher in this case moving his foot all around isn't changing the normal rhythm?
The umpire can't tell Cortes to speed up his motion. The pitch clock now is the only thing he has to worry about with no one on base.
i would like to point out that Nestor was able to hit 93 with the "I forgot what I am doing," slow-pitch delivery.
If the batter's in the box, you should be able to quick pitch. Got to speed the game up, you know?
took the words out of my mouth
Don't be childish. The rule is the batter has to look at the pitcher with 8 seconds left. That's plenty of time.
@@bakerman10 If they changed the speed limit to 1 mph around your neighborhood youd be the only one ever doing the limit and nothing more.
You rule lovers... sheesh.
Too bad we couldn't actually see the quick pitch...
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So if the pitcher can’t pitch until the batter looks then why wouldn’t the batter just never look?
under the pitch clock rule the batter must be ready by :08
There will be a violent act against an umpire this year. It will be good for the game and some fans can’t wait to see it.
Why? For enforcing the rules mandated by MLB?
Nestor has done this before. He leg pumped over 10 agains Ohtani
Rays fan here- I love this dude!
If the pitch clock is counting down, then the pitcher should be able to pitch the ball at any given moment. It shouldn’t matter if the batter isn’t looking or not. This is the problem that baseball has with the pitch clock.
Ridiculous. If that is going to be the case, the clock shouldn't even be started until the batter is set.
They want to speed up play with these new clock rules, but players will play every possible angle to their own advantage until the new rules are fine tuned or abolished
He did something like that against the Cardinals. Strange slow almost 180 degree throw.
I love Nestor. The Yankees need to keep him around. He is such a creative pitcher, who doesnt need to throw heat to strike a guy out.
Ironically, he used to be a 88-90mph pitcher and now sits around 92-94 w his fastball. Def good enough for a left handed who varies speeds and delivery timing to the plate. Nestor is pure fire 🔥 on the mound.
What happens if, after the ball gets back to the pitcher, a batter takes 15 seconds or more to get set?
Batter gets a strike called on him if he isn’t ready by the time the clock gets to 8 seconds left.
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Okay, but that doesn't really seem to give the pitcher much time.
@@davegaetano7118 I know, I agree. Maybe they’ll fix some more about the rule during or after this season.
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It looks like the new rulemakers are trying to do too much too quickly.
What happens when the batters start to look down and not get set for 15 seconds so as to draw a walk I think that they're going to have alot of problems with rule and alot of pitchers and catchers will get ejected because of getting frustrated
They have to be ready when there’s 8 seconds left on the clock or they get a strike called on them.
Not only does he have to worry about the clock, but now he has to make sure the batters ready. I don't mind a 3 hour ballgame.
When I used to watch the games, yeah, so it's 3 hours. Big deal. Nowadays, games are full-blown advertising platforms, what with the corporate naming rights john's name plastered all over the place, all the 'official widget' signs behind and around home plate, the on-screen text telling us where the pitch went, who is sponsoring the replay, and I am sure there are other on-screen info things I don't see since I don't watch the games any more. Even this video has a "Presented by" image burned into the screen. Just tell us who the sponsor is and put their link in the description, and if you want, sure, verbally tell us the presenting sponsor's name at the beginning. I remembered another piece of info: the line-up presentation. Is that ceremony still presented on-camera to allow for a 'presented by xyz'? And let's not forget the classic, "This call to the bullpen is brought to you by AT&T." Yeah, it was funny the first time we heard it. O/c every other call to the bp isn't really so worthy. I know that football has 60 minutes of playing time and the reason the games have gotten so long is due to basically tv commercial breaks where everyone is just standing around waiting for the ads to finish. And of course stuffing more ad time into the breaks in the action. Has the inning break time been extended in the past few years? And pitching changes also extend the game. And since nobody goes a full game, you've got at least 3 or 4 pitching changes that didn't happen back in the day.
@@bikeny Yep. You got a lot of it right. I think the new rule changes are so that they are able to give the umps more control over the final outcome for gambling reasons. Now base hits, walks, runs and outs can be negated or awarded by the umpires because some silly thing happened like a pitcher or hitter taking too long to do something. It's just so absurd. The ghost runner on 2nd in extras bothers the crap out of me. If a game goes 18 innings, so what. That's baseball. The game jumped the shark.
@@Jklmjghw You don't think pro sports have ever been rigged? LOL. What are you talking about?
Nestor has great balance
Back in the day if your in the "Batters Box" then your ready. I've seen so many big league batters just play around but if both feet are in the box your ready... so this rule is dumb as hell.
Just let me know when they put a major league team in Washington DC.
Cortes passes every field sobriety test blindfolded with that balance
I don't see a difference between Cortes' quick pitch and how Mark Beuhrle pitched every inning of his entire career.
MLB is getting really weird.
It's all great but when there's only 10 sec on the clock if the batter is not ready imo it's the batter's fault. You can't add a clock and then let the batter takes all the time in the world to be ready with only 3-4 sec left on the clock for the pitcher to make the pitch.
Wow- I always thought a quick pitch was perfectly legal. Should be up to the batter to be ready! Well, at least this year the batters can't step out after every pitch and play with their gloves for 45 seconds.
Clocks do not belong in baseball other than to record total time of the game.
Why are umpires allowed to "show up" the batter on a third strike call? I think some confrontations could be avoided if the umpire just used their normal mechanic.
I don't even recognize this sport anymore! O what have they done to my sport!
This guy knows a bit about baseball.
The thing that made baseball the greatest game in sports, was there was NO clock. Baseball losing fans has nothing to do with the length of the game... for over a 100yrs the game was fine. At the end of the day, "go woke, go broke" is what hurt MLB. Bad choices by the league and teams leading to Strikes. The fans just got tired of being punished. This is just another bad decision by the league.
You seem to be in the minority.
Everyone's adjusted, they lopped off close to 30 minutes off of games, and we're all going to be fine
Oh cool, I wondered what Weird Al was doing these days
Respectably petty
Way too much fokus on the time-clock changed the basis of baseball significally.
I don't like how our game is played unter the new rule.
If you are the batter and have both feet in the box, you are reasonably set. If you are not paying attention to your surroundings while in the box, whose fault is that?
Once players get used to it it will be fine.
This is a dumb rule
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Congratulations in major-league baseball for trying to control everything and failing. We will not be controlled
Well, you've got a Woke Warrior like Rob Manfred in charge...what do you expect?
@@russs7574I guess we're expecting shorter games, which are happening, and people are happy about it 😘