KIA Sportage Engine Problems... disaster cover up with Sportage Mild Hybrid engines?
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- I received an email from a follower with some highly concerning details about his saga with a Kia Sportage... and had to share it with you all. Is this a nationwide problem, are dealers sitting on 50+ broken cars, and is this a cover up or just a case of bad communication? You decide!
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As I’ve said before older cars were better built than the brittle complicated things they make today.
In reality if governments would allow a little less efficiency and a little more displacement the reliability of these small cars would go up and people would get a better value overall. But I’m not the WEF.
Absolutely spot on, small engine with big heavy cheap car= hard shoulder
Timing belt is not related to engine stress. Has more to do with quality standards.
@@mehrzahl2219 I would agree... however it depends what caused the timing belt to snap, could be a locked fuel pump, cam, balance shaft etc.
That shows a major misunderstanding on how engines work and stressed. Cam belts are not affected by what you say.
Occasional snaps are things like failed water pump, crap part (after market belt),
Multiple failures are usually a design fault, like idler failure, etc.
If it is a car model, like a mild hybrid here, it might be something like not-enough-space in the engine space so corners were cut in design affecting cam belt running - again a design fault.
@@tomooo2637 rephrasing: timing belts snapping is not related to engine displacement.
Moral of the tale is new cars are junk white goods. Keep a banger on the road instead, for less damaging on the pocket and your time.
You make a valid point (especially with this electric crap) but you don't need to go as far as 'run a banger' but avoid this Korean Junk which is only bought by people who dont know any better and are attracted by a long warranty which isn't worth the paper its writen on!
@@kmack5799 That's a fair point, i'm just a bias banger driver!
@@kmack5799 THAT was exactly the reason for me considering one. Not now though
And better for the environment as well.
I’ve got 1998 Accord 2.0 coupe! Had it 16 years ! Bullet proof ! No rust !! Never broken down, no big bills, ! No kidding ! Heavy on fuel I suppose ( 28 mpg ) but big bills on other cars = buys lots of petrol = bargain !! And it is unbelievably quick
I'm a Kia trained tech. This is a well known problem thats been going on for over 3 years now. The alt belt tensioner seizes up which puts so much load on the belt it snaps the woodfuff key off on the end of the crankshaft causing the cam timing to go out of sync meaning the valves and pistons collide. i strongly suspect the dealer referred to in the video is Bolton Kia as I know at one point they had over 50 on site and a lot of the parts are on back order from KIa. N.B Dont think they replace the engine after this failure, its rebuilt using as many of the old parts as possible. We had one guy whos engine failed at around 2,000 miles, we lent him a vehicle as he was going on holiday and half way there the engine failed on that as well!!
Why don't Kia make a split pulley with 2 wood ruff keys and a bearing sandwiched between the two so when it fails the engine timing isn't lost failing that, the Put an AC clutch on the alternator to manage the over load and then map the charging times better.
Are family had one a a company car for a few days it's was great it's a shame to hear that this problem exists.
We started using replacement engines around November 2021 through to late 2023. Now that is a distant memory. Better hope you get a decent tech that isn't rushed rebuilding. Most dealers are massively rushed. I would never take a built or replaced engine from another site. I have replaced around 8 engines, and rebuilt around 5. One of which had been rebuilt twice!
What motors is this a problem in? A relative is buying a 2023 Sportage ex hybrid and I want to make sure she isn't getting into something that's gonna blow motors constantly.
@@coltonw9359I think he is talking about diesel 1.6 not hybrid.
It's not just Kia and it's nothing new. My parents' 2002 Passat had a serious issue with the brakes where they would fail in cold weather. Main dealer kept returning the car saying 'No Fault Found' and they couldn't identify the fault. A 5 minute search on the well-known search engine revealed it WAS a well-known fault in colder climes, but VW wouldn't admit to it because, being brake related, they'd be compelled to recall. (It was caused by water droplets freezing in the servo vacuum chamber).
VW cheating? Who'd have thought...??
Whilst my Kia was in the garage for 9 months for repair, I had a hyundai tusson from enterprise (paid for by Kia) this is the same as a Sportage with. Mild hybrid engine and it also suffered the same problem. it is made in the same factory as the mild hybrid sportage.
A good lesson to stay away from the mild hybrid. We have exactly the same car, 1.6 diesel, but without the hybrid tech and have never had any issues.
Likewise I have the same. Was going to change it for a more modern version. Now rethinking
Same here. The standard 1.6 diesel is bullet proof.
I have the hyundai i30 1.6 crdi from 2019. The same engine D4FE (136hp smartstream with adblue) but without MildHybrid. 82.000km. No problems until now. Lucky? I don't know. Does anyone know what the timing belt change intervall is? The dealer (Belgium-Luxembourg) said to me 240.000 km and no time indication (like 10 years). Is that realistic? What do they say in UK? Thx
@@mriverbach6276 1.6 crdi engine have timing chain instead belt.
@@emilch8341 D4FE, the 1.6 Adblue crdi (08.2018-...), has a timing belt. Not a chain like the previous engine.
My daughter has one. she bought it and 3 days later the timeing belt went like you said. within 2 days they gave her a new car with less miles. .
There is a bigger issue that most German cars indicators don't work
Ve don't vant you to know vere ve are goink .
Nope, the first owner did not go for the optional extra indicators package, was it just BMW who had that or did others copy. lol
Majority of drivers these days
Doesn't come close to comparing with an engine failure on a "smart" motorway really does it.
Or windscreen wipers
Another informative video Geoff, enlightening the masses keep up your excellent work best wishes Mikey Edinburgh 🏴
I would say stopping on the 4th lane of a motorway is a major issue 😏😂
I'm still trying to work out why somebody took a Kia onto the 4th lane of a motorway in the first place.
@@severnsea exactly 🤣
Hi Geoff. Don’t know if someone has commented this already but it’s the mild hybrid system causing the issue… 48 volt starter/generator is a much more demanding component than any other, which is putting extra strain on the engine and braking the crankshaft pulley/bolt causing catastrophic failure
It's nothing to do with the system being "much more demanding" it's the MHSG Tensioner seizing, causing the crankshaft sprocket bolt to loosen, causing the crankshaft dowel pin to snap, turning the sprocket into a fidget spinner. The best part is a recall has been issued, however we've had engines still fail post recall!
@@Xopher222 so they haven’t built a tensioner strong enough to deal with the starter/generator, they managed with a 12 volt system 🤷♂️
@@michaelhigh3178 It's not that it isn't strong enough, it just seizes due to bad design
Tensioner seizing as they can’t deal with the starter/generator? Either way Geoff’s point is customers are in a bad situation
@@michaelhigh3178 Once again no. Tensioner seizing due to lack of lube in-between where it oscillates on the mount causing it to become static
also yeah customers being wrecked still
Hi! I'm Anthony from Barcelona and probably our case has nothing to do with what's happened in England, but our lawyer has said we need to look for similar cases, and your video seems to explain this. So far I haven't found anything similar here in Spain . In our case it's also a 2018 Sportage Mild Hybrid which we have as a renting through CaixaRenting (from the big Catalan Bank, la Caixa). We started renting at the end of 2020, and about a year later, entering Barcelona by the motorway suddenly it lost power (electrical power), we lost control of the steering, the engine stopped and the emergency lights didn't even work. Fortunately two patrols of the Guardia Urbana helped us out until the Tow away truck simply jump started the car and told us not to stop until we got home! The Kia mechanic said they didn't find anything wrong and updated the software. Well...two months ago exactly the same thing happened, incredibly again without causing an accident (we don't want to test any theory of third-time unlucky!). This time the man from the tow away truck refused to let us go home in the car as he said it was too dangerous. But again the next day the Kia mechanic called to say they couldn't find anything wrong and that they had updated the software. We asked for a guarantee that it wouldn't happen again, but they refused! We've now been fighting both Kia and CaixaRenting to replace the car, but they refuse - the problem has only happened twice. We don't want to go to court - it's slow and expensive and no guarantee to win, but they said it would help to pressure the bank or Kia if we could show that other people have problems with the car. We don't want to risk our lives again, but we are also worried that other people maybe risking their lives and they don't know it, because the problem is absolutely random. Has anybody out there suffered something similar? Thanks!!
Funny how a brand new Kia can be so much more unreliable than my 53 year old Triumph 1300, which only has 47,300 miles on it's original engine. It has had a couple breakdowns since I bought it nearly two years ago, but the engine has always been fine.
Wow, you've had no problems with injectors, DPF/GPF, hybrid system, dual-mass flywheel, turbo, nothing? Lol
My neighbor has a Triumph. It's been rotting in his yard for the last 30 years.
As we have been manufacturing cars for more than 100 years, you would think that we might have got it right by now. In a less corrupt, greedy and perverted world, they would never, or hardly ever, break down. They should also easily last for more than 20 years without major issues. Great reporting Geoff. Of course, it's all just a conspiracy theory in reality. Ha ha.
Part of the problem is the governments and greenies legislating to fit things on cars that really don't belong on there, like catalytic converters and DPF filters etc. Car engines need to breath so the LAST thing you should be doing is deliberately constricting it. That's what the manufacturers are up against. Wouldn't touch a Chinese or Korean car though. That said, some major manufacturers like General Motors are now making cars in China.
Known of these issues for a while now as I watch Scotty Kilmers channel and Hyundai and Kia's in America have had engine, transmissions and other issues with their cars.
Love Scotty Kilmer
They are 2.4ltr engines
Big problem with KIAs in the US with them catching fire there is a Class Action law suite against them out there and KIA are having to buy them back if customer rejects them under their Lemmon Law in the US
Had a kia ceed 1.6 crdi from new and not had a single fault with it, 71k miles now and I'd happily buy another
My old Hyundai has the 1.6 diesel engine, but with chain-driven cam. The latest version has belt cam. It has done 262,000 miles, engine has barely been touched apart from regular oil changes. Still has original DPF, EGR valve, glow plugs, injectors.
Always get a chain. Belts dont last the life of the engine and are expensive to service.
The classic just oil changes learn anothe lie
Mate has a fairly new Kia Sportage, which recently needed a new steering rack - as it was clunking! They delt with it well, apparently at no cost to my mate - but would have been a couple grand outside of warranty!
Hi Geof it’s nice that you mentioned this about this rubbish stuff to let motorists know.I hooked up with their 7years warranty bait unfortunately…Since I had this Sportage 1.6 mild hybrid Diesel Model 2020 making me so much worries and stressed .After running around 11000 had recall due to losing power…After 3 days from its annual servicing last month at 21200 miles engine warning light appears and same problem losing its power,running like a turtle…I did call 3 KIA Garages and need to wait for 4-6 weeks for them to accommodate to checked..
I hadn’t heard about this but in many ways it speaks to a bigger issue. There have been a number of accidents where in self driving mode, Tesla’s “phantom brake” because they use cameras (rather than a radar system) and they see something that isn’t really there.
ANYTHING that is causing vehicles to regularly fail should be addressed by the regulatory authorities as they are potentially life threatening.
Not just in self driving mode but in cruise too. And since they disabled the radar in my car (mine was fitted with one), the wipers go ballistic too in the dark when there's nothing on
the screen.
Since Tesla's removed the Lidar and became totally dependent on optical systems there have been a number of Tesla/motorcycle fatalities in the US. Several 'cruiser' style motorcycles, the type with twin rear lights, have been struck from behind at high speed. The Tesla sees the twin red rear lights, a foot apart, as a car a quarter mile in the distance. You'd think such a 'smart' development team would have second guessed that, ain't technology great.
From what I've seen posted on a few news sites, former Tesla engineers working on the Autopilot/FSD package told Mr Musk of their concerns about basing the system purely on visual inputs from the cameras. Unsurprisingly the quoted sources said they had been terminated from the company since then, so I think the blame isn't on the development team but squarely on the shoulders of Elon Musk.
@@jamesmartin5952 I don't think the engineers can be absolved of responsibility as easily as that, regardless of the absence of Lidar, they developed the optical system, we are talking about a fundamental omission by the team around object distance measuring, namely different spacing of vehicle tail lights - they should have known. Here's a technical explanation they really should have viewed before tackling the project and it's perhaps the real reason they were let go. th-cam.com/video/vh5kZ4uIUC0/w-d-xo.html
More to the point, self driving cars are all about control again. Trusting AI to do something we can't. The purists think it will cut the accident rate to somewhere near zero and eliminate traffic build ups. It won't, of course. But it will tell them where you are at any given time.
It happened to my 'brand new' Tucson too. Same Engine, same problem. Took Hyundai 5 months to source a new engine. It is sold now, thankfully.
Friend of mine has a brand new Ssangyong Tivoli. He drove to the local shop and when he restarted there were no instruments. Called RAC (cover with vehicle) and when the bloke got there nothing wrong. It happened again and he crept home without any instruments, no speedo. Gives you a lot of confidence doesn't it? I do wonder whether these vehicles are getting too complicated, and is it necessary? Still driving a Landcruiser FJ80, 27 years old, still going. I've got a '33 Plymouth that is more reliable than these modern cars.
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The real mystery is why people buy this crap then wonder why it doesn't work very well.
@@severnsea My wife asked me why I say everything is crap and I said because everything is crap. Why? Basically because the Chinese made cheap crap and everyone bought it, so things made elsewhere have to be made down to the same price - hence crap.
@@severnsea Because people are sheep. That is clear observing the last 3 years. Here in Australia they'll pay a lot for a used Toyota and nothing for a used Volvo, which is far better designed, engineered and durable in the right hands.
Having a friend who works as a master tech at kia and having discussed this i was wondering when it may surface in the news.
It will suffice in the news when someone files a lawsuit against Kia, this will be an easy case to take from a lawyer based on Kia's record and past of Engine failures.
Geoff, you need to highlight the disaster that is the PSA 1.2 Puretech as installed in Citroens, Peugeots and Vauxhalls. Cambelt runs in oil, disintegrates and blocks the oil pickup resulting in low oil pressure and eventually engine failure.
Same problem ford 1.0 ecoboost had but they finally switched to chains now on focus mk4/fiesta mk8 but the previous gen had the belt in oil.
If you dont use the exact oil like if you get it serviced at a local garage they might not put the exact oil that has the oem requirement of them engines instead putting whatever bulk they buy thats the correct weight and that in turn wears the belt out faster.
I heard the peugeot one affects the brake vaccum pump so they was forced to fix it under warranty/recall because of it being a safety issue
Same as honda 1.0 turbo its a ford design supposedly but i've found no formaco stamps anywhere. We have loads of civics in the workshop stacked for new engines.
the wet belt systems is horrible, psa engines use it, so do the crap transit engines and the 1.0 ecoboom
Belts in Oil are fairly common - even the old Ford 1.8tdi had one 20 odd years ago to drive the oil pump.
You need to obviously use the correct oil!
My VW 2.0tdi uses one for the oil pump in the sump as well.
Also remember the multiple award wining 1.2 Purecrap likes to dilute it's oil with excess fuel, turbocharged versions like can suffer from carbon fouled intake valves & also the oil control rings. The 2016 version I had required intake valves cleaning at 34k miles & by 43k miles it had developed a thirst for oil.
I have one and it went in August at 9 months old . It made a high pitched squealing noise and it was obvious there was a problem so called them . The advice was don't start it , it was recovered into dealer who was honest enough to say it may be a long job . However it was away for only 10 days as I had obviously caught it in time and they just did the belt tensioner etc kit . There were others there not so lucky . The dealer was very good but the folk handling the warranty aspect for Kia ( RAC) never managed to sort us a courtesy car but i think that was down to it being summer also . It was aboutto become an argument but we got word it was going to be ready shortly . The RAC guy said that it was common but so were certain things on all Ford's and certain Mercs for instance.
I will say this about the car , its very good and is great on fuel and would have another in a heartbeat. I also say that about the 64reg diesel Rav4 and the 2.0dci Qashqai we have had since new in 2010 with 179k on the clock which still goes like stink and is decent on fuel but no where near the Sportage.
Ps our first Qashqai missed on the trip home after collecting it new and they had to change ecu at 4k miles as they couldn't find the fault.
Was looking to view a Sportage later this week for the mrs. Think I’ll save my self some money and bother instead now. Glad this video popped up on my feed now.
I’ve got the 1.6d mild hybrid and I’ve got to be honest so far so good. It’s now nearly 2 years old and has just done 14k. On the last (first) inspection (3 year lease plan) I was informed that there was a few small jobs to be done due to a recall on this model. I wasn’t told what exactly as I didn’t ask, however, after watching this video I’m starting to get nervous about it. Right now my wife and mother in law are the other side of the country from where we live and as they have the car with them I’ll regularly be checking up on them.
Thanks for the video (information) I’ll keep a close eye on things.
Paul, Maesteg.
Turn the car on, look under the hood, on the left side of the engine, there's a pulley on the crankshaft- check that it's straight and that the belt runs straight. When it starts to fail, you'll see that the pulley isn't straight.
I own a Kia Ceed 1.6 petrol gdi engine. I have owned for 4 years, done over 100k on the clock. I have had no issues with it. The car has been very reliable.
Great, happy I hold on to my 20 year old RAV4. Awesome vehicle.
Older cars were built up to a standard....Newer cars are built down to a price
And most are built in China which has never ever had any standards.
Most people don’t understand how dealerships work - most are franchises, they can make decent money from the manufacturers by replacing parts under warranty. A good dealership will fight on your behalf to get a warranty claim authorised .
I love that you're filming in Dimi's new family wagon 😂
Yep I'll be hanging onto my 30 year old volvo 940 red block for as long as I can
My local kia dealer in wakefield has a similar number of vehicles stired. The problem appears to be a keyway on the crankshaft that can not cope with the hybrid system. The same engine in non hybrid version is no problem. There must be hundreds off the road.
My 2019 Kia Sportage GT line 2.0 diesel drives like a dream. 😊
Wow, some of these comments. Kia and Hyundai are generally amongst the most reliable car brands out there, regularly coming top or near the top of reliability surveys. Yes, they have got this one wrong, and a large number of Sportage and Ceed 1.6 diesel hybrids have been affected. They are not trying to cover it up at all (I work at a Kia dealership, and we are completely open about the matter with our customers), and are repairing every single one, free of charge, and paying for an alternative 'courtesy' vehicle in the meantime. Yes, it's annoying, yes sometimes there is a wait for the spare parts, but they are not trying to hide the problem, or refusing to pay for anyones repair. All this 'class action' talk is ridiculous, the vehicle owners are not being asked to pay. I have worked in the industry since the late 1980s, and can say first hand that there are many, many less reliable car brands out there - and they're usually the expensive ones...
That must have been terrifying on the M6! Wow.
I have a 2017 Sportage that’s now done 50k miles. It’s a 1.6 standard diesel with no mild hybrid and no Ad Blue. It’s been absolutely bullet proof for me and hasn’t let me down yet.
They must have seriously messed up the mild hybrid tech!
I hope that man manages to get a refund and/or some form of compensation.
You're making re payments on the vehicle through a so called "loan"
You're at equity with these agents...
Stop making repayments and dsar the agent (lender) for all data that has your name on it...
At some point (they'll fob you off at first) but they have to comply with the dsar, so eventually you should get all the document with your name on it...
If you don't get the document that exposes that your arrangement is actually an express trust, not a loan, they're breaking the law and the fines are massive...
If they comply with the dsar they're going to expose themselves as fraudulent, making you make re payments on a trust, and that no loan existed in the first place..
Making them "not trustworthy" and at equity without clean hands.
Ever wandered why you make re payments... Not payments on a "loan" repayment is payment twice...!
They've already been paid...
Banks have never lent a single penny ever.... Period!
they facilitate credit and create the currency by doing so!
just saying. 👍 🤷🏼♂️
I have put all my credit card providers and loans on notice due to this fraud. Its a total con
Hi, ive just come across your video . i recently bought the 1.6 mild hybrid 2021 plate , had it around 8 weeks now , i didnt know about any issues with car when i was googling as you do when buying a car, anyway went on a road trip last week and it started screeching when i took my foot off the accelerator , strange i thought , i better ring kia . ( ive only covered 1200 miles since ive had it) 7000 miles total on the clock. i was told do not drive it and get it recovered to a kia garage straight away . road trip ruined . the garage had the car for a week and now im finding out about the tensioner belt/ pullys/ crankshaft etc.. i wasn't emailed about any recalls, nothing on the kia website , no text no phone call. apparently they have also done an software update on the 48v side of things so it doesn't kick in so aggressively . not too happy i know now . think ive bought a lemon :(
Theres issues in USA on Sportage engines but bigger CC. On my 2nd 1.6 turbo and its brilliant
The 1986 Toyota Corolla had premature cam belt failures at around 40K miles which were repaired under warranty even if the warranty had expired. At the Toyota dealer there was a large pile of belts waiting to be fitted. Repair required all new valves, 12 of them.
I run a 2006 Santa Fe 2.0 crd at 200k. It is on 2nd engine but to be fair the Bosch fuel pump filled the 1st with diesel leading to its death.I feel that adding more and more eco systems is killing modern cars.they seem to do less mpg and engine failures seem more common than 15 years ago.
I had a similar issue. I have a leased 1.6 turbo diesel mild hybrid automatic 2021 model. Out of the blue at about 6,000 miles my car started making a weird grinding noise. The car only made the noise when not under load, i.e. when it was coasting or going downhill. the noise was quite loud and quite alarming.
I drove it straight to the dealer where I bought it, fortunately only 6 miles. By keeping the revs up (stayed in low gear) I managed to drive to the dealer without incident. They said is was the bearing carrier for the ISG system had a seized bearing and that I was lucky to get it there as they often destroyed the cam belt and trashed the engine. The service desk guy said I was luck they had a bearing carrier in stock. He let slip that the reason they had a spare carrier was that they'd had a number of cars with the same issue and they actually had 3 carriers in stock as it was a common issue. He also said that they had a number of cars waiting for compete replacement engines, all because of this fault.
ditto your story in every aspect. same age, mine occurred at 9.5k miles, same model , fault occurred inidentical same conditions, told exactly the same by the dealer. just hoping it doesnt re-occur.
Had my mild hybrid sportage for 2 years 45k, I hammered it, no issues, now on my 5th kia, full hybrid 15k no issues so far. IMHO in 45 years better than most. BTW it’s a myth German cars a reliable ( owned 7 various makes ) but do like them. At least Kia back up their products with a 7 year 100k mile warranty
My Kia diesel hybrid Sportage is currently in dealership getting analysis for engine problems . 2nd time. Car is 2 years old and has spent at least 5 months in garage. Glad I seen this vid. Won’t be keeping car.
JEEZ! I've been seriously considering buying a 20 reg XCeed diesel Hybrid and was due to perhaps to go and view and possibly purchase within the next week, but don't think I'll bother now. Thanks for the heads up. Balance of the seemingly attractive 7 year warranty isn't really worth half a carraot if the car is going to give no end of grief. I'll stick to my Mondeo I think
I’ve got the 2.0 hybrid diesel I got it new 2020 and I have to say it’s not missed a beat it’s be perfect
Easy to tell what's causing it, incorrectly balanced crankshaft, don't matter how many ballancer pulleys they put on, they will vibrate themselves to death over and over, needs a new crank or old one re grinded and balanced if not distorted from manufacturer who ever made it, could be anyone
Just got to York after driving from the Bulgarian Black Sea coast in our 2009 Ford Focus 1.6 zetec. It's not the most fuel efficient motor, especially with a roof box, but it performed sublimely all the way here.
Sublimely? Really?
@@Steve-gc5nt We made it here without a fuss. The car performed effortlessly and never missed a beat. I'd define that as sublimely, yes.
Once our trip is done, we've got exciting alternative routes home to look forward to.
Swiss Alps and Italian lakes?
Monaco and the Cote d'Azure?
Island hopping from Sardinia to Corfu?
Decisions, decisions...
I've got a 2ltr diesel on a 17 plate. It's fine. But it's not a mild hybrid.. Its the same engine as the second generation sorento. O the problem with that was the diesel pump.. On mine it failed and damaged the injection system. 😢
I have a Hyundai Tucson, 2016 2.0 4wd, after buying it the car spent almost the 7days in the dealership as the DPF had clogged again, that day alone the dealer said they had 17cars that day with clogged dpf's, after doing a forced regen I went for a drive to check the car, almost immediately the dpf light came on - back to the garage we went for another forced regen, then another test drive, guess what - back to the garage again for another forced regen.....according to the technicians their getting 20+ cars a day with clogged dpf's.
According to Hyundai UK, this is not an issue although all this work was carried out free of charge, so if they spent 4hrs on my car for free and 20+ other cars a day how much is this costing Hyundai and why has the issue not been resolved. At the last visit they wanted to keep the car for 3days to get Hyundai Technical involved but they couldn't say if the issue would be sorted or how much them having my car for 3days would cost me....
In 2007, I bought an ex-demo Mazda 6, 2L turbo diesel that was 3 months old.
Beautiful car until 2 years later, when it suffered a diesel runaway event, because the oil level in the sump had risen, due to an ill thought out DPF system.
Checking the internet, I found that I was one of many people who had suffered this, and had got nowhere with their claims with Mazda.
I cut my losses and traded my car at an independent dealer at a roughly 6K loss.
How many Mazda 6 Diesels do you see on the road today?
I'm guessing none.
Hi Gary, Land Rover Discovery Sports and Range Rover Evoque diesels with Ingenium engines had similar oil dilution problems. Sold mine at a loss after finding extra 2 litres in the oil sump just 4000 miles after a main dealer oil change. Of course Land Rover said it was within performance tolerances and it wasn’t an issue 😮
A Friend's 56 plate Mazda 6 Diesel did exactly the same
@@cp4512 ALL diesels with a DPF have dilution problems. It happens because the car uses fuel to heat up the DPF when it's regenerating, but the problem occurs when you have come to the end of your destination before the regen has completed. In this case it dumps any unused fuel into the sump. I think it becomes an issue when the level exceeds something like 15-20% but it probably depends on the engine. When it exceeds the level the service light comes on, indicating that you need to change the oil.
The bigger the engine, the more fuel ends up in there, which is why you hear of it more on larger cars like Range Rovers, most of which are 3 litre or larger. It's one of the reasons why diesels are not really suitable for short journeys. I had this issue for 2 years with my Jag, cut out most of the short journeys when I moved my office to a spare room in my home and not had a problem since.
The real problem is an engine needs to breathe and DPFs do the exact opposite - they prevent the system from breathing. Not fit for purpose, but the problem lies with the legislation requiring them to be fitted, not with the engine. No way would I buy a diesel these days with the latest emissions regs, you're killing the engine from the first mile. I think most manufacturers do well to get their engines to run as well as they do, but they're not miracle workers.
@@-A-lm5xb diesels with a separate injector after the exhaust manifold avoid oil dilution, but Land Rover didn’t do this I guess to save money. I was told that early Land Rovers (and Evoques) apparently had a design flaw whereby the DPF was mounted further down the exhaust (than the original engine design) for Ingenium engined vehicles using the first floorplan which was a carry over from the Freelander. I think thus affected 2016-2019 model years). This meant the DPF didn’t get hot enough and was regenerating way more than it was designed for. So diesel was injected more often on the exhaust stroke, which travels down the exhaust to the DPF) to regenerate the DPF, and much more ended up in the sump. It isn’t from oil from the regen being into the sump, it’s diesel weeping past the cylinder rings from the additional diesel injections being made . Land Rover gave free oil changes for the first 50K miles so the first owners were placated, but anyone buying one second hand…….. 😐 Although they paid for many oil changes, Land Rover never admitted liability or that anything was wrong…. I’ll never buy a JLR product ever again.
@@-A-lm5xb I agree with you about not buying diesel engines with all the complicated and unreliable emission equipment on them. I’m now in a petrol BMW and loving it!
I have a Kia Cee’d with the same running gear,
At 4000 miles and one year old I heard the hybrid belt slipping,
Called my Kia dealer, and they dealt with it expeditiously. This was 5 months ago, and had no issues since (touch wood).
I know the Cee’d is a smaller car, so the engine is doing less work, and the problem may be less because of it. But the issue is still there.
3 cylinder ford EcoBoost and the psa / vauxhall engines with "wet" cam belts are blocking up their sump strainers with belt particles alarmingly frequently leading to no oil pressure. 4 cylinder ford ecoboost engines blowing head gaskets at 14,000 miles due to water bypass grooves cut in the block face between cylinders leaving about 2mm of head gasket sealing area at best. Transit engines with failed injectors that "weld" themselves into the cylinder head with corrosion due to cam covers constantly filled with with road / rain water even on 3 or 4 year old ones. £1000 hydraulic puller only option and even then the injector may tear in half as it comes out. Hours of nightmare.
I don't blame hardworking folks who dare NOT touch any Kia or Hyundai vehicle. With the massive bill they shouldered from the engine failure fiasco plus other major safety recalls, guess who will foot the bill eventually?
I literally had my 21 plate KIA Sportage 1.6 Diesel 48v Mild Hybrid delivered last Wednesday. The same problem as described in your video happened when I was driving it home. Literally 35 miles. The car only had 6300 miles on the clock. Whole engine has failed and needs a rebuild after paying £24k.
Have requested a full refund but so far no response.
Complained to KIA CEO, customer service agent said there was no safety recall on the car despite the KIA garage who now have it for repairs told me there was.
KIA owners Club online has a big thread of people all listing their engine failures. Disgusting that these cars are still being sold. Something needs to be done.
Is this just in the main affecting the 1.6 diesel HYBRID engines across the range?
My current generation Audi A4 2.0tdi was waiting for a part to be manufactured for 7 months without any dates when production would start, hundreds of cars in the UK have the same issue with Audi, in the end I sourced the part in Bulgaria from a accident damaged car and shipped it to the UK to be fitted
Have 3 of these vehicle used at work, 2 of them are on 3rd engines and the 3rd is on its 2nd engine. Gearbox issues are also an issue, overheating, clutch burning smell. The dealer has been okay but supply keeps these vehicles VOR for months. We have had loan vehicles for parts of the VOR but it’s not good enough. These are the worst decisions we have ever made!
Bought a KIA Venga from an independent dealer, the car ran fine initially, then suddenly the car itself applied brake on for a very short time period like fraction of a second while it was moving in the traffics. We felt a sudden acute sharp jerk, it was utter scary. Problem is there wasn't any fault lights came on, the car continue to run and it happened so randomly like once in several months. We went to the KIA official dealer for a checkup, they said no computer error code, nothing they can do. After couple months, it happened on the motorway again. This time had the fault light came on, we immediately get the car to fix, the dealer said they have fixed it. However, it happened again, we kicked up a fuss, they eventually agreed to do a "deal" that they will do a part exchange for another KIA if we pay so and so. The exchanged car was running fine but after nearly 70k miles, we decided to swap back to Honda. We will NEVER NEVER get another KIA, no matter how price competitive that is.
Been a hyundai mech for 5yrs there just cheap motors but people think there buying outstanding quality. The only thing that is good is the undersealing which is pretty decent.
My other mates also a kia mech and built a new long block mild hybrid because of the generator seizing
I think the older Hyundai and Kia models beat these junk new cars. Notice there are still many older early 2000's Hyundai Santa Fe models still going in rural areas and some Kia Prides and Hyundai Accidents are still seen on the roads.
@@bentullett6068 yes didn't really have much trouble with the older ones like matrix, tucson, santa fe etc usually the old diesels just had a seized egr valve or water damaged bcm's on the coupes that sort of stuff. They really got worse when they brought out dct on the i40 they were crap as we were always replacing the clutch packs rubbish. Then theres the santa fe diffs with the bolt on active diff part they leak or the diff breaks in half or 4wd diff and transfer box destroy themselves if the tyres aren't all the same tread depth. The gearbox input shaft seals leak and the gearboxes are abit crap or hyundai's wiring terminals they go loose and create a bad earth or loss of power fault.
Old stuffs alot better no real dramas lol
the proble is the i.6 diesel i have a 2.9 diesel version and it has 184,000 miles, I had to do a cam belt change soon after buying the vehicle as the cam belt tension pulley was not set in a correct manner
This has been a problem ever since these 1.6D hybrid engines were introduced. Kia has been working on a fix since then but it is proving much more difficult to resolve. I know some dealers are refusing to sell these cars as used cars because of this. Issuing a formal recall will only work when the fix issued is proven to work long-term and, unfortunately, at the moment that isn’t the case.
you should be filming in STAR from Starachowice 👍 obviously 266
Today, my Mrs Sportage went in for it 2nd service, and Kia tried to do the recalled timing pulley without telling us. We only found out as someone rang and said the car was ready, then rang straight back to say it wasn't. They weren't keen on giving us proof it was done until a fuss was made.
I drive an old Merc , on purpose, big straight 6, torque converter gearbox, no cat, no egr v/v etc etc etc equalling no trouble, modern cars far too complicated making them actually less reliable. My neighbours Sportage is in the garage at the moment with engine failure, he went to see them after it was recovered and round the back around 20 were lined up with same problem. Now you'll get away with this in the UK, but the old US of A ain't so forgiving, and they must have the same problems surely? Any Americans read this?
What can I say? Our 2020 Kia Sportage 1.6T petrol AWD suffered all four cylinders running rough. So it went into our local dealership, to find it required 4 new coil packs, 4 new Spark Plugs and a re-gen of the GPF. It runs fine again.
No cost either due to its 7yr warranty.
Let’s see how the engine lasts?
7 yr warranty😆, try that they honor it
Hi Goeff, my Kia has just gone. AA came out and knew the problem and offered to recover the car to the deaaler, dealer 1 said not taking any cars in for repair for at least 6-8 weeks. Dealer 2 taking 3-4 weeks. When I explained the fault explained by th AA I had questions raised about servicing and car may not be covered by warranties, and they will charge me for a diagnostic test before they work on it. Sounds like a cover up before they start. Will update you at a later date.
I received my 1.6 mild Hybrid new in January 2022. Drove 15k km, full catastrophic failure in 35 degrees heat, was lucky I did not have my dogs with me otherwise we would have been in serious trouble in that heat. The car spent 5 months in the dealership waiting for parts, it eventually got rebuild and I got it back in November. The Car has no engine coolant and the steering wheel was very misaligned. No issues since but reading the forums the recent fix is not permanent, waiting for another failure before 30k. kia are certainly not acknowledging this design fault.
Hi Geoff
need some volvo related help
and your the man
I've acquired an abandoned volvo v70 d5
but have no keys
what would the most cost effective way of getting round this.
can keys be still got from volvo with a chassis no ?
or do I need to break in and buy a lock set?
thanks hope you can help
I spoke to a service manager at a arnold clark garage and he told me about the kia issue what about the vauxhall grandland 1.2 turbo wet timing belt issue can you do a video on that
Hi Geoff, we have a Kia shortage 2 litre diesel , this apparently had a new engine at 29,000 miles allegedly due to the owner not checking the oil ????
This was only told to me when the car was recalled due to the wrong after fuse fitted ? I wonder if the engine replacement was for another reason ? ( it cost the bloke £7500 !!! ).
My 2020 Kia 1.6D mild hybrid lasted 20K until total engine failure, it was returned to Furrows at Shrewsbury Shropshire on a break down truck whom had it for four months until it was repaired, at no time did this dealership apologise, once returned the engine failed again at 27K, and again returned to the dealership on a breakdown truck , Fortunately the car was on a Motorbility Lease and after some discussion they agreed to have the car back, to this date some six months later the car still hasn't been returned to the road and whilst there recently I noticed that there car park had quite a few other Sportage's with notes in the window stating do not start engine failed. When we returned the spare key to the dealership we received No appolgy and they even had the cheek to enquire if there was anything wrong with the car despite it being returned to them on a break down truck. We have replaced this car with a Honda CRV, I would never have another Kia again and never use this dealership as they are awful. They also deleted my comments on social media about the poor service I received.
I am currently going through issues with my Sportage. Electronic parking brake failed twice, clutch and transmission issues as well. I have been told parts not Available in this country.
I am sad to read this about KIA we have owned a KIA Picanto for the last eight years 995cc and free road fund licence! It was three years old when we bought it so it had four years remaining warranty left. Only time it went to the main dealers was a recall for the fuel line system. It is serviced and MOT-ed at the local Tyre and Exhaust centre. It still has the original exhaust and has never had any mechanical part need replacing! only a few tyres. My wife would like a new car but this one is incredibly cheap to run!
I had a crap KIA Sportage in 2007 that was an off road vehicle but I didn't realise that meant it would always be off the road and in the garage. We used to say it stood for Krap In Australia. Mine had 160 faults over the 18 months I was its owner. I decided in the end to leave it at the dealers as I was not prepared to take it back. I originally wanted a replacement or a refund. They left it beside the side of the road outside my house and put the key in the letter box. My solicitor rang them and told them as I had not accepted the vehicle back it was their responsibility should it get stolen or damaged and sent the keys back by courier. They collected it right away and tried desperately for me to take it back. Eventually after many months the dealership manager decided ring me personally and offered to upgrade the alarm system which was its last reason for being in the garage but I said no, he then offered me a replacement vehicle but by then I said shove it. I told him I would see him in court and I would make sure the news papers would be there to cover the story. It was soon after that that KIA refunded all my money. Never again, they look smart but it seems it's still not smart to get involved with this company.
Hi Please help.
Same as your video had kia sportage part hybrid 2021 plate for 24 months with no issues. 2 days ago started hearing a horrible sweeling noise when driving. I rang kia who said they could not get the car in until 22nd September nearly 3 weeks. I said its not drivable whilst it's doing that and I fear it's not safe. I decided to drive it to my local kia garage and that was a scarey journey. The noise was constant. I finally got it there. At the service desk a mechanic was listening whilst I was telling the lady what the problem was. He told me he knew what was wrong straight away and to not touch or move the car. I said you seen worried likes it really bad. He said it was a fault they had only just found out about with the part hybrid sportages and to leave the car there. Today they have rang to say I am lucky as it hasn't totally destroyed the engine as he did say if it had it would be a 6 month engine refurbishment. He said it could be fixed and the car would be ready by the end of the day. I have a 4 year old daughter and have to travel 15 miles a day to work. I'm scared after watching your video that it isn't going to be fixed and it will happen again. I have also read that it's dangerous and that the car could set in fire. I did ask them why the car hadn't been recalled and they said because they had only just found out about it. Obviously not true. What do I do now. What if I'm driving in it with my child and it starts again.
I had one on hire 6 months old I was driving on the motorway and heard a strange knock at the next junction the engine management light came on a couple of miles later the engine failed in the outside lane lucky I got onto the hard shoulder
The AA confirmed the belt had snapped the engine was u/s towed to the dealership they said not another same answer from enterprise they had many vehicles failing?
I HAD THE 2014 MODEL SORENTO AND THE RADIATOR HAD TO BE REPLACED SA IT BOWED AT THE BOTTOM DEALER NOT INTERESTED SO THIS TIME I BOUGHT A SKODA SUPERB GREAT CAR
Our local police force has some of these on their fleet (1.6 mild hybrid diesels) as response cars. I have it on good authority that they haven't suffered cambelt or pulley failures. And ignore preconceptions about police cars being regularly serviced and looked after. They may be serviced on time but the reality is, they're often driven flat out, often on cold engines, by various drivers with no mechanical sympathy. You'd expect them to be prime candidates for finding any mechanical weaknesses.
If I was your viewer, I'd be looking to return the car as not fit for purpose. Think about the depreciation that had occurred while the owner hasn't even been able to drive their car.
My co worker has had his 2021 Kia replaced TWICE! My other co-worker has the same Kia Sportage you covered, a 2022, in and out of the garage every couple of months. Utterly bonkers IMO!
Apparently the crankshaft pulley bolt hasn't been torqued properly & instead of recalling retorque it at first service 12k miles.
Years back worked next door a mitsubushi dealer when they released the new facelift l200 they were coming back about a week after being sold with a knackered engine it turned out the machine that was torqing the headbolts wasnt doing them to the right setting but indicated it had but they had fitted so many engines they just had to wait for them to fuck up then change em
This has just happened to my Sportage 1.6 mild hybrid. I was actually passing the Kia dealership when it initially happened so took it in. Although I explained the loud screeching from the engine the dealership booked it in for repair in 3 weeks and said it was fine to drive as it was 'an emissions fault'. When it went in for repair with a dashboard now lit up like Blackpool illuminations (it's just the same fault, it's OK as long as the lights don't go red), the fault was diagnosed and an engine rebuild was now required. Kia have authorised an Astra hire car (I barely fit in an astra!) and so far the dealership has missed every repair date with a continuing list of excuses as to why my car is still not repaired.
Wow… where’s this? Email me if you like. Geoffbuyscars@gmail.com
I rented a Kia Sportage back in March. I was suppose to get a Camry. About 2000 miles later with 0 warning thr engine suddenly lost power. We barley got it to a safe place off the road and the engine never started. Brand new 2023 Kia! And the engine blew with 0 warning
I repair domestic appliances and have had 3 customers with Kia’s tell me they have had issues, 2 siezed engines and a failed cam tensioner, all 3 required new engines all 3 less than 18 months old
Surely KIa and Hyundai have got around to chain drive OHC?, are they still using belts?
Honestly a lot of it is how rushed Ev's and Hybrids were. Companies were eager to jump on the bandwagon and pressured by the Gov to release "Green cars". So I imagine a lot of quality control and testing was ignored when the cars were designed.
I had the same with my 2021 Hyundai i30 1.6 CRDi MHEV - the same engine. From 13 months that I had the car, I needed 3x to get towed and 2x was the engine replaced at about 7k km and 20k km. Worst car ever. I sent the dealer pre-trial summons, because they didn't want to give me my money back. In the end, I sold it with discount because what can you do...sue them and wait year or two and buy another car inbetween? They know, that you as a customer have limited options, since not many people can buy 2 new cars one after the other...and till the trial is resolved, you have your money locked in the car.
They sell so many of these but journalists won't call them out for their horrendous reliability issues
What about the Hyundai 3.8. Any issues with rod bearings also?
I wonder how many engine rebuilds he’ll have over the 7 year warranty and how many months/years it will spend in the garage. Pity the owner who buys a 7 year old Kia that has no warranty left!
I had the same sh1t with my Ford Kuga 1.6 Ecoboost back in South Africa 2017-2019. Absolute nightmare.
My mild hybrid ran out of power on a well known accident black spot without warning , been without my car now for a month with no contact whatsoever. I had to fight for a courtesy car which within 15 minutes they reluctantly gave in . I have no faith in my 2022 model with only 6k on the clock . Even with a repair I fear it could let me down again as I regularly travel on the A1 in peak time traffic . What do you recommend my next course of action ?
i got i20, its a good car and pretty reliable. only thing i need to be ready for and ears at ready is timing chain can stretch or tension things can fail at around 100k miles ive seen vids engine tear down for the 1.2 so mines at that magic number only when i let of the gas in 1st at 6500rpm fast start i do feel they may be a little slack but only under very hard use in 1st rest gears it runs very smooth. but not crazy cost about 600£ that it fitted so not a lot to save engine but am looking at another i20 but 2015 shape and just spent £500 on new clutch all fitted inc mot so a good price and lasted 100k on original so not bad on small car as ive seen them for sale from 60-80k say new clutch, next owner have a good car sort out chain straight away even if its ok the car good for another 100k. i know engine quite well know and reason i buy new gen its been cheap to maintain £800 in 4 and half years now much better than i got it and 1.1 ton with tank fuel so it goes well and fun country roads, only reason changing is i want 5 door and cruise control for my bad knees and average camera zones because id not change other wise and spend the money on i20 i got now, no afraid to spend money on older car to make it have long life, i get a car over first year i find things and fix and over few years its way better than i got it and even pass rate goes up on mot as my local mechanic takes car for mot and tell him i only want clean pass so go over car well service it and anything with even slight doubt fix it before, last 4 mot clean pass no advisory's not bad on 2011 car, next owner small bit work, call it long term investment will have solid car, im just waiting on insurance from my fiesta so i know what i can spend, its a kei van 4 seat or its i20 2015 shape those things what interest me currently but in waiting game the reason forced to do clutch as not been great for over year now but it adds value, cars worth more now than i paid 4 and half years ago that crazy . so main thing i20 pay attention to sound chain you may hear it rubbing outer engine cover as that damage what can happen if lucky if not good bye engine as tension thing failed on one vid and lucky it did not kill engine depends how bad it fails and that can happen around 100k and car sites say my engines got 40k left so doing that fix it go way past 40k left as that average prob another 100k
I just buy a 2012 Kia sportage two weeks ago and I buy it used and it has been a replacement of engine 243k the same day the car stoped in the highway I was so confused! I call the mecanicien that sell me the car and a few days after I went to get the car everything was fine until yesterday after driving for 2 hours the engine started to shake again and then I parked the car for almost 20m I went back home and the car was fine ! So finally my mecanicien is coming tomorrow to repair that problem !
Long standing tactic.
Keep quiet about it until they're out of guarantee, then shrug the shoulders and say, "It's old. Buy another one. ".
I had a car that I discovered had a problem that had been a "Silent recall", meaning had it been serviced by the main dealer it should have been fixed, but as it had been serviced by non dealers it wasn't.
Needless to say the recall had expired by the time I discovered the problem.
Recall’s don’t expire.
Hi I have a problem with my 2016 Kia Sportage CRDI AWD, I purchased at three years old at 35000 miles, sudden oil pressure loss whilst driving damaging the engine at 54000 miles. Took car to main dealership who said that the oil pump had failed, car three weeks short of expiry of warranty. Car had all service history stamps, but Kia UK said that the first service which was done at 21391 miles should have been done at 20000 miles even though the service manual says 24000 miles. Kia UK offered me a goodwill gesture of paying ten percent of the £10,000 cost of replacement engine! Issue now with motor ombudsman.