Romford's identity crisis has actually gone beyond a geographical one as virtually all of Essex's major conurbations have become export colonies for Londoner's one time east enders.
Born in Twickenham, Middlesex in 1962, I always had a bit of an identity crisis as a child because of this. Our address was Middlesex, yet we were Londoners. And we were part of the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames, which had been in Surrey but was now in London but still thought of itself as being Surrey, so were we somehow from Surrey too? My parents and older siblings had moved there from Chelsea (the poor bit - although there are no poor bits really anymore) shortly before I was born, so that made me a Londoner, right? And Middlesex is an embarrassing place to come from when you're a child anyway, so it was easier to be a Londoner. But every letter that came told me I was in Middlesex. Of course, I didn't know all this detail then and I was surprised when I found out that Middlesex didn't exist anymore.
@@QPRTokyo But I always felt like a Londoner anyway. Grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins still lived in Chelsea and we were always going to visit. As a child, it always felt like an injustice to be a Londoner but not to be able to state categorically that I'm a Londoner. It was very confusing. That question that was one of the three they asked people when determining if somewhere was London or not - culturally, do the people look in towards London or out away from London - I was definitely the former.
Hey dude, I was also born in 1962. I'm from the other end of Middlesex, Ruislip. My parents both came from west London but found they had no house after the blitz. So the council set them up on a massive council estate in, essentially the countryside, right next to RAF Northolt. My school still had concrete air raid shelters. Our address was still Middlesex though. Weird shit. ✌❤🇬🇧
From 1979 to 1981, I worked for Middlesex Probation Service, even though there was no county of Middlesex - it would have been more appropriate to have called it North West London Probation Service. The Head Office was not within the boundaries of the service but was in Covent Garden in central London.
I commute into London and I don't pay taxes (directly). I do spend money in the pubs and shops, help keep people employed etc ... However, Council Tax is much cheaper where I live so would be happy with no changes.
I grew up in the far northwest of Greater London in the 80’s. The Hertfordshire border was a couple of hundred yards up the road. Although I considered myself a Londoner, I always put Middlesex as my address.
Born and bred N1, my London was basically the Angel to Highbury/Finsbury via Holloway/Kings Cross. Had family in Boreham Wood, but that may as well have been the Isle of Skye from my perception of travel/distance as a kid.
I've lived in N1 nearly 30 years now, pretty much my whole adult life. Grew up in Croydon, moved to Leytonstone for a couple years then Islington ever since. It definitely feels like travelling out of London, visiting friends/family in Croydon even if it's technically part of it still.
@@Amberle38 where abouts in Islington? I left the UK and moved to Asia several years ago, but gaff is where the heart is; and for me, that’s always gonna be the Cally 😊
Aged 9 3/4, I awoke to find myself living in Greater London, having been born in Surrey. As was said, our address was still Surrey though. Most importantly though, the pub I started using about 8 years later was in Surrey.
That’s how everyone sees it really. Some say people from London see anywhere above London as the north but really most people say the south goes up to around Birmingham
I live in Romford, most of the people here originally moved from the East End of London to Romford after WW2, so being a Londoner wasn't such a shock to most of us.
This is my favourite Jay Foreman video because I was born in Eastcote, Pinner, Middlesex in 1973. That’s just Greater London. Middlesex already didn’t exist. Pinner is where Elton John was born. Aged 2 I moved to Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire. ON the tube, INSIDE the M25, but OUTSIDE Greater London. I caught the tube to school in Watford, Hertfordshire. Classic territory for this video. Since adulthood I’ve lived in Bloomsbury, classic Central Dickensian Zone 1 London, between the West End & The City. I am a Londoner. Born in Greater London, brought up & educated in “home counties” Hertfordshire. But as an adult an urban inner Londoner. I’m equally common & posh. I love being both. I have a driving licence, but never drive. Within 30 minutes on the tube I’m either in lush posh countryside or the throbbing cultural hub of the national cultural & political scene. I know you love Rhode Island, New (the worse) England, USA. Well, I’m like that, but in a much much better place. 😉
What also makes me a Londoner is that my borough, Camden, is Labour. My MP is Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, a good man. We voted 75% to remain in the EU like any sensible person would. Where I grew up in Hertfordshire, they vote Tory. They voted Brexit, which, as was 100% obvious before the referendum, would destroy the country. (Nobody thought about N.Ireland before the vote, they keep saying. Well I did! It was OBVIOUSLY unworkable and destructive). They’re rich, narrow-minded and hate paying tax to help the general population and they don’t care about anyone but themselves. So yes, call me a Londoner. (Sorry, sometimes I get angry - and this government makes me furious)
You ask a good question, Conor. When there was the GLC (Greater London Council - successor to the LCC, London County Council), Ken Livingstone as leader launched a policy to reduce underground fares with increased subsidy from the rates, 'Fare's Fair'. It was very popular and got people back on the trains again. However, the London Borough of Bromley took the GLC to the High Court and got the subsidy overturned on the basis the underground didn't reach their borough. The decision was a complete nonsense because much of Bromley's good people would commute into London and very likely use the tube at some point, as would their families when they came into town at the weekends.
It is not the fault of people On your logic Londoners should pay tax when they visit Brighton on the weekend. Don’t worry my county is using its rental housing for Londoners. London is sending down people they cannot house. To me it was still a land grab and money making exercise. London being the big bully in the playground.
“Go to London! I guarantee you'll either be mugged or not appreciated. Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway.”
It's not all bad. I lived there for almost four years across two degrees. Had some incredible experiences. Not sure I'd want to live there permanently, but living there for a period of my life, I have no regrets.
Nothing like that ever happened to myself or anyone I know but I did pass a crime scene at Archway where a wife killed her husband with a frozen chicken...the chicken was still on the floor surrounded by crime scene tape just outside the mini supermarket with a policeman standing there.
Len Deighton wrote in, I think, 1968, that a few years earlier he had driven across London with two Moroccan visitors, and had counted them saying 'C'est enorme!' twenty seven times before they got clear of the suburbs. He then went on to say that 'Perhaps now you'll never get clear of the suburbs'.
Suggesting Watford is in London is a stupid way to start an argument. To quote the first line from a Hertfordshire Mercury article, "Want to annoy someone from Watford? An easy way is to tell them the town is in London." Look at any milestone on the A5 between Marble Arch and Stanmore. London and Watford are in opposite directions.
The tax system in the UK works differently to America, council tax goes to the council where your house is, all other taxes we pay like income tax and national insurance goes directly to the government anyway. In theory the people that commute to London will be spending money in London and working in businesses in London so therefore helping the local economy so they should have a say
What the video doesn't say is that the 32 Boroughs have nothing in common with each other apart from the "London Borough Of" prefix attached to them. Each borough has it's own identity and customs and culture. So the people who just can't wait to trash "London" and "Londoners" really need to realise that yes while there may be undesirable areas in some of the boroughs the vast majority of residents live a peaceful, friendly life without threat of being attacked or stabbed. I know this doesn't fit the negative narrative.
You get more salary for inner London weighting and a little less for outer London weighting - but based on where you work. So the boundaries mean something. Ironically, you get paid more for commuting into London. This started with NHS employees. Not everybody gets paid weighting specifically. The train fares to get into London are v high. That’s why many are keen to WFH. NHS staff can’t do that mostly - but the huge admin staff can. Kingston’s Surrey county council offices have been moving for years. At one point to a car park in Woking right opposite the Woking council offices. In a similar way that the County Council builds vital county football pitches on sites of special scientific interest (SSSIs) flattening the rare orchids, etc., right opposite the existing local council Woking football pitches. Once it was agreed to do away with a local amenity for the essential County offices, the planned offices became - the head office of The World Wildlife Fund. And the Surrey County Council offices moved to Reigate … and Woking and Camberley. The local council became aware that the two employers had different salaries & benefits and staff would move employers by simply crossing the road. However, some county council employees are now working in the local Woking Council office for the Surrey County Council .. as well as Reigate and Camberley. In the meantime, a former amenity, popular with locals to access feeding the wildlife, swans, moorhens and ducks on the next door canal, is the World Wildlife HQ offices.
I grew up in the London borough of Redbridge and our postal address was Romford, Essex simply because the postal system and local government systems were different.
Yeah, I grew up in Croydon & it was Surrey for the postal address. Always felt a bit strange calling it London because Croydon was definitely big enough to be a town on it's own. Apparently we weren't rich enough to be left out though 😂
@@davidz3879 it just won’t though. Literally look at jay foreman’s other videos on the ringways or tunnels east of the crossing. More roads leads to more traffic even if it’s meant to ease congestion
@@jakeclough8090 He's strongly biased against roads. He says that if the London Ringways had been built, London would be well-known for them. Beijing has several ring roads & I've never heard anyone describe Beijing as the city with several ring roads. You could talk about Beijing to people for an hour & it's unlikely that anyone would mention its ring roads unless you mentioned them first. Traffic congestion is London is very bad. The Ringways wouldn't have caused millions more people in London & the Home Counties to buy cars.
@@davidz3879 I mean not many people from outside the uk know the m25 and you can talk to most people from London and the Home Counties for an hour and they’re not gonna bring up the m25 unless you do. No ringways wouldn’t increase car sales but it would increase car usage. It would make people think, oh there’s a road I can use, I’ll drive instead of getting the bus or train. So actually the ringways would have caused more traffic. The tube does everything needed in London don’t know why people would choose to drive anyway
The London county council offices in the photo were lovely. Still are. It’s now an aquarium. The leader of the London county council, which became the Greater London Council (GLC), became too strong and spent loads of money. It built the Thames Barrier that only proved its worth decades later. It was responsible for transport and planned ring roads at great cost that would have flattened houses. Ken Livingstone spent tons of money. Margaret Thatcher didn’t like money being spent unnecessarily. The GLC went, only for local mayors to be brought in by Tony Blair across the country. It’s not always worked well.
The whole problem of London and other major cites a d conurbations is the, who votes or pays tax where. The local council tax system evolved from a time when people lived and worked in the same town. So their local taxes paid for local services. Now when large numbers commute, they have an interest in an area they don't live in and don't have a say in.
The county hall has just moved to Reigate. The sold the building in Kingston. Also we prefer being Surrey thanks. This Londoner has got used to surrey life.
I grew up in Gidea Park in Romford from 1968 (born in Hampstead, in North London) and until 2015 they predominantly still classed themselves as part of Essex despite media still saying they were East London....but it's still disputed, not just because the adddress says Essex but that Essex is rural and pretty and not far from Romford borders (3 miles to Havering-atte-Bower in Essex) were as Central London is over 16 miles) Historically Essex went as far as West Ham down near the Thames.
It was probable in the agarian revoultion that Essex farm workers moved to central london for work in the C18th and C19th, only to move back out with londoners from the Mid C20th onwards as the Roads and Rails made travel easier !
@@davidz3879 Abolished is probably too strong a word in this context; the Post Office just decided that the town and postcode would suffice. Technically, in most cases a house number and postcode will identify the address.
I was born in a pretty garden city, on the 'outskirts' of London. I bet you have similar places in the US: enormous residential areas with no character, very green and thoughtfully planned. Dull, in a word.
it looks like Birmingham is going to become a suburb of London. Due to waste of money called HS2. I believe it will be a waste of time. As it will most likely be cheaper to drive to London.
@@hackdaniels7253 As in Jay did this in part for Mayor / Assembly Elections for the Green Party. The idea was to get people engaged with politics and how it impacts them.
I don't live anywhere near London(thank God)but it does seem to be expanding exponentially. Towns and villages which were once part of Essex and Kent have been swallowed up by "Greater London" thanks to the megalomaniac mayor and his council henchmen, and have lost all of their individuality.
London is not expanding "exponentially", it has a green belt. To the extent that it has expanded at all, are you seriously in blaming Sadiq Khan for it?
@@kingstumble It is clear that you have no idea what "in charge" means. He cannot set the boundary of Greater London, nor expand. If various Kent and Essex villages have been "swallowed up" it is because the appropriate county councils were willing to allow developers to build there.
I live in dartford, we border London (unfortunately) & we are thankful we are in Kent. Londons house prices, crime rates, lack of green spaces + the obnoxious mayor makes London very unattractive.
@@claregale9011 Darford, the home of a giant chalk pit , a hospital and a medical research company that closed down and cleared off from memory. But is one of he oddities , like Watford, of being not in London but inside the M25
If you hate Sadiq so much then move to London and vote him out. I wouldn't complain about the mayors of Manchester or Liverpool because I don't live there, it's none of my business.
@@stewartmackay But its true. As of December 21 Its 43.4% British born in London nowadays. London is so multicultural its Europes most multicultural city!
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You saw the pegion but missed the sign hitting the horse.
Romford's identity crisis has actually gone beyond a geographical one as virtually all of Essex's major conurbations have become export colonies for Londoner's one time east enders.
Its not romfords its the councils dont know what borough your in and argue with you. Till they look ot up and have to admit theyre wrong.
I love how you give a shout out to the channels of the videos you watch. It's nice to give them a little bit of credit. Nicely done. 👍
Born in Twickenham, Middlesex in 1962, I always had a bit of an identity crisis as a child because of this. Our address was Middlesex, yet we were Londoners. And we were part of the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames, which had been in Surrey but was now in London but still thought of itself as being Surrey, so were we somehow from Surrey too? My parents and older siblings had moved there from Chelsea (the poor bit - although there are no poor bits really anymore) shortly before I was born, so that made me a Londoner, right? And Middlesex is an embarrassing place to come from when you're a child anyway, so it was easier to be a Londoner. But every letter that came told me I was in Middlesex. Of course, I didn't know all this detail then and I was surprised when I found out that Middlesex didn't exist anymore.
When did you find out that Middlesex had been abolished?
So your were basically annexed. If they were to make me a Londoner, I would hope we would fight it.
@@davidz3879 I don't think I found out until I was an adult.
@@QPRTokyo But I always felt like a Londoner anyway. Grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins still lived in Chelsea and we were always going to visit. As a child, it always felt like an injustice to be a Londoner but not to be able to state categorically that I'm a Londoner. It was very confusing. That question that was one of the three they asked people when determining if somewhere was London or not - culturally, do the people look in towards London or out away from London - I was definitely the former.
Hey dude, I was also born in 1962. I'm from the other end of Middlesex, Ruislip. My parents both came from west London but found they had no house after the blitz. So the council set them up on a massive council estate in, essentially the countryside, right next to RAF Northolt. My school still had concrete air raid shelters. Our address was still Middlesex though. Weird shit. ✌❤🇬🇧
You didn’t know where to look when that woman who was sat on the bog (toilet) appeared 😆
From 1979 to 1981, I worked for Middlesex Probation Service, even though there was no county of Middlesex - it would have been more appropriate to have called it North West London Probation Service. The Head Office was not within the boundaries of the service but was in Covent Garden in central London.
4:34 did that cardboard cutout get caught by the wind and almost hit that police horse?
No, if you slow it down you can see he's just in front of a green screen.
I commute into London and I don't pay taxes (directly). I do spend money in the pubs and shops, help keep people employed etc ... However, Council Tax is much cheaper where I live so would be happy with no changes.
Surrey Council actually moved to Reigate last year, so are now back in Surrey
Places that are part of the urban sprawl, such as Epsom & Dartford, should be part of London.
I grew up in the far northwest of Greater London in the 80’s. The Hertfordshire border was a couple of hundred yards up the road. Although I considered myself a Londoner, I always put Middlesex as my address.
Born and bred N1, my London was basically the Angel to Highbury/Finsbury via Holloway/Kings Cross. Had family in Boreham Wood, but that may as well have been the Isle of Skye from my perception of travel/distance as a kid.
I've lived in N1 nearly 30 years now, pretty much my whole adult life. Grew up in Croydon, moved to Leytonstone for a couple years then Islington ever since.
It definitely feels like travelling out of London, visiting friends/family in Croydon even if it's technically part of it still.
@@Amberle38 where abouts in Islington? I left the UK and moved to Asia several years ago, but gaff is where the heart is; and for me, that’s always gonna be the Cally 😊
@@BungleTheGoonerBetween Old St, and the canal so more over Hoxton way :)
Aged 9 3/4, I awoke to find myself living in Greater London, having been born in Surrey. As was said, our address was still Surrey though. Most importantly though, the pub I started using about 8 years later was in Surrey.
In Australia the rule is you get to vote if you have a residence or own a business in the area.
As a guy from NorthWest England....everything south of Burmingham is London.
That’s how everyone sees it really. Some say people from London see anywhere above London as the north but really most people say the south goes up to around Birmingham
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I live in Romford, most of the people here originally moved from the East End of London to Romford after WW2, so being a Londoner wasn't such a shock to most of us.
So London followed you to Essex?
And they were replaced in East London by half the population of the Indian subcontinent.
@@Waterford1992 Thx for your racist comment, I can't tell you how pleased I am to see your pain.
@@direnova6284 I did not know it was racist to state facts about the demographics of London but ok.
@@Waterford1992 Everybody knows what you are, your lame "gotcha" ain't foolin' anybody.
I loved your reaction to the "woman" having a pony on the toilet🤣🤣
She’s sitting on her skirt, you can see the back of her skirt by her ankles. So I hope she’s not having a pony! 🥴
Weird thing is Jay Foreman also used to do stand up. I saw Jay Forman and Dave Gorman in St Alban's
This is my favourite Jay Foreman video because I was born in Eastcote, Pinner, Middlesex in 1973. That’s just Greater London. Middlesex already didn’t exist. Pinner is where Elton John was born. Aged 2 I moved to Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire. ON the tube, INSIDE the M25, but OUTSIDE Greater London. I caught the tube to school in Watford, Hertfordshire. Classic territory for this video. Since adulthood I’ve lived in Bloomsbury, classic Central Dickensian Zone 1 London, between the West End & The City. I am a Londoner. Born in Greater London, brought up & educated in “home counties” Hertfordshire. But as an adult an urban inner Londoner. I’m equally common & posh. I love being both. I have a driving licence, but never drive. Within 30 minutes on the tube I’m either in lush posh countryside or the throbbing cultural hub of the national cultural & political scene. I know you love Rhode Island, New (the worse) England, USA. Well, I’m like that, but in a much much better place. 😉
What also makes me a Londoner is that my borough, Camden, is Labour. My MP is Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, a good man. We voted 75% to remain in the EU like any sensible person would. Where I grew up in Hertfordshire, they vote Tory. They voted Brexit, which, as was 100% obvious before the referendum, would destroy the country. (Nobody thought about N.Ireland before the vote, they keep saying. Well I did! It was OBVIOUSLY unworkable and destructive). They’re rich, narrow-minded and hate paying tax to help the general population and they don’t care about anyone but themselves. So yes, call me a Londoner. (Sorry, sometimes I get angry - and this government makes me furious)
You ask a good question, Conor. When there was the GLC (Greater London Council - successor to the LCC, London County Council), Ken Livingstone as leader launched a policy to reduce underground fares with increased subsidy from the rates, 'Fare's Fair'. It was very popular and got people back on the trains again. However, the London Borough of Bromley took the GLC to the High Court and got the subsidy overturned on the basis the underground didn't reach their borough. The decision was a complete nonsense because much of Bromley's good people would commute into London and very likely use the tube at some point, as would their families when they came into town at the weekends.
It is not the fault of people
On your logic Londoners should pay tax when they visit Brighton on the weekend. Don’t worry my county is using its rental housing for Londoners. London is sending down people they cannot house. To me it was still a land grab and money making exercise. London being the big bully in the playground.
“Go to London! I guarantee you'll either be mugged or not appreciated. Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway.”
It's not all bad. I lived there for almost four years across two degrees. Had some incredible experiences. Not sure I'd want to live there permanently, but living there for a period of my life, I have no regrets.
I once saw a woman pissing on a cat in London 😂😂😂
Nothing like that ever happened to myself or anyone I know but I did pass a crime scene at Archway where a wife killed her husband with a frozen chicken...the chicken was still on the floor surrounded by crime scene tape just outside the mini supermarket with a policeman standing there.
@@jamesswindley9599 I've seen a cat pissing on a woman
I understood that reference.
LOL "surround the poor" Brilliant Statement Love it !!
Len Deighton wrote in, I think, 1968, that a few years earlier he had driven across London with two Moroccan visitors, and had counted them saying 'C'est enorme!' twenty seven times before they got clear of the suburbs. He then went on to say that 'Perhaps now you'll never get clear of the suburbs'.
Suggesting Watford is in London is a stupid way to start an argument. To quote the first line from a Hertfordshire Mercury article, "Want to annoy someone from Watford? An easy way is to tell them the town is in London."
Look at any milestone on the A5 between Marble Arch and Stanmore. London and Watford are in opposite directions.
There’s a joke about London, no one knows where it stops, even Brighton on the south coast is called London by the sea. Regards JH
The tax system in the UK works differently to America, council tax goes to the council where your house is, all other taxes we pay like income tax and national insurance goes directly to the government anyway. In theory the people that commute to London will be spending money in London and working in businesses in London so therefore helping the local economy so they should have a say
The H is silent in Thames btw
3:20 I strongly disagree with the list. Gibraltar is clearly a part of London.
What the video doesn't say is that the 32 Boroughs have nothing in common with each other apart from the "London Borough Of" prefix attached to them. Each borough has it's own identity and customs and culture.
So the people who just can't wait to trash "London" and "Londoners" really need to realise that yes while there may be undesirable areas in some of the boroughs the vast majority of residents live a peaceful, friendly life without threat of being attacked or stabbed.
I know this doesn't fit the negative narrative.
He's not kidding about the city state thing btw, that actually nearly happened.
London is technology just the square mile. But it has that greater London sprawl. I personally can't stand the place and wish it would shrink again.
You get more salary for inner London weighting and a little less for outer London weighting - but based on where you work. So the boundaries mean something. Ironically, you get paid more for commuting into London. This started with NHS employees. Not everybody gets paid weighting specifically. The train fares to get into London are v high. That’s why many are keen to WFH. NHS staff can’t do that mostly - but the huge admin staff can.
Kingston’s Surrey county council offices have been moving for years. At one point to a car park in Woking right opposite the Woking council offices. In a similar way that the County Council builds vital county football pitches on sites of special scientific interest (SSSIs) flattening the rare orchids, etc., right opposite the existing local council Woking football pitches.
Once it was agreed to do away with a local amenity for the essential County offices, the planned offices became - the head office of The World Wildlife Fund. And the Surrey County Council offices moved to Reigate … and Woking and Camberley. The local council became aware that the two employers had different salaries & benefits and staff would move employers by simply crossing the road. However, some county council employees are now working in the local Woking Council office for the Surrey County Council .. as well as Reigate and Camberley. In the meantime, a former amenity, popular with locals to access feeding the wildlife, swans, moorhens and ducks on the next door canal, is the World Wildlife HQ offices.
I grew up in the London borough of Redbridge and our postal address was Romford, Essex simply because the postal system and local government systems were different.
Yeah, I grew up in Croydon & it was Surrey for the postal address. Always felt a bit strange calling it London because Croydon was definitely big enough to be a town on it's own. Apparently we weren't rich enough to be left out though 😂
@@Amberle38 Certainly not rich enough now.
Jay Forman is a proper star!
When he threw that card away it almost hit the two police officers on horse back.
I've read that card crime is on the increase.
@@peterc.1618 Nice one.
London's traffic congestion would be a lot less severe if the Ringways had been built.
That really not true though. Where there’s more roads, even if put there theoretically to lower traffic, it increases traffic
@@jakeclough8090 Even if it increased traffic by 10, 20 or 30%, it'd still improve the speed & ease of road travel.
@@davidz3879 it just won’t though. Literally look at jay foreman’s other videos on the ringways or tunnels east of the crossing. More roads leads to more traffic even if it’s meant to ease congestion
@@jakeclough8090 He's strongly biased against roads. He says that if the London Ringways had been built, London would be well-known for them. Beijing has several ring roads & I've never heard anyone describe Beijing as the city with several ring roads. You could talk about Beijing to people for an hour & it's unlikely that anyone would mention its ring roads unless you mentioned them first. Traffic congestion is London is very bad. The Ringways wouldn't have caused millions more people in London & the Home Counties to buy cars.
@@davidz3879 I mean not many people from outside the uk know the m25 and you can talk to most people from London and the Home Counties for an hour and they’re not gonna bring up the m25 unless you do. No ringways wouldn’t increase car sales but it would increase car usage. It would make people think, oh there’s a road I can use, I’ll drive instead of getting the bus or train. So actually the ringways would have caused more traffic. The tube does everything needed in London don’t know why people would choose to drive anyway
The London county council offices in the photo were lovely. Still are. It’s now an aquarium. The leader of the London county council, which became the Greater London Council (GLC), became too strong and spent loads of money. It built the Thames Barrier that only proved its worth decades later. It was responsible for transport and planned ring roads at great cost that would have flattened houses. Ken Livingstone spent tons of money. Margaret Thatcher didn’t like money being spent unnecessarily. The GLC went, only for local mayors to be brought in by Tony Blair across the country. It’s not always worked well.
Kent Flaps 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The whole problem of London and other major cites a d conurbations is the, who votes or pays tax where. The local council tax system evolved from a time when people lived and worked in the same town. So their local taxes paid for local services.
Now when large numbers commute, they have an interest in an area they don't live in and don't have a say in.
The county hall has just moved to Reigate. The sold the building in Kingston. Also we prefer being Surrey thanks. This Londoner has got used to surrey life.
It doesn't................
I grew up in Gidea Park in Romford from 1968 (born in Hampstead, in North London) and until 2015 they predominantly still classed themselves as part of Essex despite media still saying they were East London....but it's still disputed, not just because the adddress says Essex but that Essex is rural and pretty and not far from Romford borders (3 miles to Havering-atte-Bower in Essex) were as Central London is over 16 miles) Historically Essex went as far as West Ham down near the Thames.
Postal counties were abolished in 1996.
It was probable in the agarian revoultion that Essex farm workers moved to central london for work in the C18th and C19th, only to move back out with londoners from the Mid C20th onwards as the Roads and Rails made travel easier !
@@davidz3879 Abolished is probably too strong a word in this context; the Post Office just decided that the town and postcode would suffice. Technically, in most cases a house number and postcode will identify the address.
I didn't realise Sir Edwin Herbert was Asian
When I lived in London, my address was Surrey 😁
all people in the UK get a free bus pass at the age of 60
It varies. In England it is the State Pension Age. Here in Northern Ireland it is sixty, and at 64 the bus pass covers the Republic too.
I have a solution,expand it to Scotland- Edinburgh will be pleased- Oh and officially it's the M25, so I hear.
The problem solver 3000 is now his wife in real life.
I was born in a pretty garden city, on the 'outskirts' of London. I bet you have similar places in the US: enormous residential areas with no character, very green and thoughtfully planned. Dull, in a word.
Map men rocks..
alright folks
London never stops, it ends at the border.
What is this tax you speak of...?…...….
Lived in London all my life, 58 years, centre of the multiverse.
You should watch horrible histories
London stops in India and Pakistan
volume is too low
it looks like Birmingham is going to become a suburb of London. Due to waste of money called HS2. I believe it will be a waste of time. As it will most likely be cheaper to drive to London.
It'll be much quicker by train.
these people are so far left wing, id take what they say with a pinch of suspicion
You what mate?
@@hackdaniels7253 these people are woke Lefties that do everything to Insult this great country
Keep taking the pills, they may still get you back to reality.
@@hackdaniels7253 As in Jay did this in part for Mayor / Assembly Elections for the Green Party. The idea was to get people engaged with politics and how it impacts them.
@@matspurs1629 go back to bed grampa
I don't live anywhere near London(thank God)but it does seem to be expanding exponentially. Towns and villages which were once part of Essex and Kent have been swallowed up by "Greater London" thanks to the megalomaniac mayor and his council henchmen, and have lost all of their individuality.
London is not expanding "exponentially", it has a green belt. To the extent that it has expanded at all, are you seriously in blaming Sadiq Khan for it?
@@nbartlett6538 He is in charge isn't he? It's clear expansion has a different meaning to you.
@@kingstumble It is clear that you have no idea what "in charge" means. He cannot set the boundary of Greater London, nor expand. If various Kent and Essex villages have been "swallowed up" it is because the appropriate county councils were willing to allow developers to build there.
I live in dartford, we border London (unfortunately) & we are thankful we are in Kent. Londons house prices, crime rates, lack of green spaces + the obnoxious mayor makes London very unattractive.
Lol I live in darford 👋
Lack of green space? London is 50% green
@@claregale9011 Darford, the home of a giant chalk pit , a hospital and a medical research company that closed down and cleared off from memory. But is one of he oddities , like Watford, of being not in London but inside the M25
Do criminals stop committing crime as soon as they cross into Kent? Ever heard of county lines?
If you hate Sadiq so much then move to London and vote him out. I wouldn't complain about the mayors of Manchester or Liverpool because I don't live there, it's none of my business.
Does the world evolve around London sadly yes it's a dump apart from the landmarks
London is not a English city anymore, so it doesn't matter.
What?
@@stewartmackay I think its now that less than 50% of people born in UK now live in London, ergo its now home to more foreigners than British people.
@@CrazyInWeston Ah, the old xenophobic card. I thought that's what you meant, I just wanted to check. Thanks.
@@stewartmackay But its true. As of December 21 Its 43.4% British born in London nowadays. London is so multicultural its Europes most multicultural city!
Told you so. White flight is a real thing. So much so many places around the M25 have more Londoners than London itself.