What did I say? How was I bashing Mormons? I don’t believe I said anything critical about the faith. I am not understanding why people are taking it that way.
@PopPsych @PopPsych you stated towards the end of your video the following, "The philosophy with some of these wilderness camps - especially the Mormon faith where they are abusing kids at the point of submission in order to heal them." The LDS church is not associated with "Wilderness Camps." Do some people send their kids there? Probably, but as a lifetime member, we DO NOT and have never been told to abuse our kids to submission. It's so incredibly generalized as if though you are stating the church is responsible for ALL these behaviors committed by people like Ruby and Jodi. It's NOT within the church standards, it's network and most of all, we don't tolerate abuse. Are ALL members of the LDS faith free and clear of crime and abuse? NO! But come on! We're not a society of abuse and submission. We believe in the 13 articles of faith - look them up. They are our belief systems. That's just the beginning. If abuse takes place, leadership does take a stance and WILL excommunicate and will turn offenders into the police. I believe you are usually fair and do your homework, but when you stated that comment (as many others continue to generalize the Mormon faith in current crimes) it just gets so saturated.
Oh! That is NOT what I meant. I am saying that the troubled teen wilderness camp industry - which often has affiliations with LDS - has a bad history of using the submission model. I am not talking about the Mormon faith globally. Sorry for the confusion.
If you look back at all her videos her husband was just as bad to those children as she was. I don’t agree with Rubys by any means but to excuse her husband from responsibility and for him allow her to continue to torture those children and walk away with no concerns is unforgivable.
Not saying I excuse his behavior but I think Kevin was just as brainwashed as Ruby by Jodi. Check out Without a Crystal Ball’s channel. She has the full audio of his interview with police on how he was systematically brainwashed and removed from his own home. Again, not excusing! But it’s interesting to hear what he had to say about it once he was “deprogrammed” 🤷🏻♀️
@@stacies89 I will never watch that crystal ball channel ever again! I used to watch her lives and she just allowed her husband to verbally abuse their son!
Some info I gleaned from going deep down the rabbit hole after this story broke. 1. Jodi was sexually abused for several years as a very young child. 2. She was married for about two years. It was a very contentious divorce where she tried to ruin him. 3. She is estranged from her son and daughter due to her treatment of them. 4. Jodi could be a lesbian. She told her niece, Jessi, that it would be different if SHE was with a woman bc they would be in love. 5. Ruby’s parents also had a family vlog. 6. Ruby has four sisters and one brother. They were all involved in family vlogs, although two were not heavily involved. 7. The LDS church has an unhealthy focus on sex and what they think is deviant. So much shame and guilt. Unhealthy. I know it’s a big time investment, but you should watch Mormon Stories Podcast (TH-cam) interviews with Jessi Hildebrandt. Very informative about Jodi. The interview with Adam Paul Steed was amazing, but with the cases they had to take it down. Hopefully it can be re-released. This story is very important. Thank you for covering it. The “troubled teen” industry is very bad and so many are located in Utah and run by LDS members.
The smirk and look of glee as rubie threatened to cut the head off her youngest daughters favorite stuffed animal, to her daughters immediate breakdown was beyond disgusting to me. I really think your evaluation was very spot on.
Sadist do look like that. Imagine your child’s suffering bringing you joy. Religion is too often abusive. I got “saved” at 8. The next day my teacher told me that I didn’t deserve to be “saved”. I couldn’t sit perfectly still, so clearly I had yet to find Jesus. I was a fidgety kid. Unforgivable. I had to be Satan!!!!! (According to Mrs. Thompson) My experience is that Christian adults used religion to abuse others. Then I married a wonderful Whose father was evangelical preacher. So he shamed and abused both of us.
I agree with all you said, except Ruby's remorse. I think she knew what she needed to say and was mostly sad, she was being held accountable. In her case, she should have been sobbing at what she did to her children and ultimately her family. And drop the "I would like to thank....." That felt gross. I think she is a good actress.
Re: Jodi’s attitude toward men-I think it’s also important to take into account the LDS purity culture and teachings on pornography. In addition, I don’t think that Ruby was truly remorseful; I think her apologies were manipulative.
Nothing to do with believing in and teaching purity. Jodi is just a psycho. She seems to hate men and alienated them from their wives so she can get closer to them. Wouldn’t be surprised if she is a lesbian.
I have a very difficult time watching the glee on Ruby’s face as she discusses a punishment for her children. My children are grown now, but as i raised them, I never once felt that emotion if they needed discipline.
Yeah actually when you really love your kids it's really hard to discipline them I do it and man it sucks. It's not the funnest thing to be the disciplinarian it's necessary to teach them but it's not pleasurable. Sometimes it makes me freaking cry
She's a sadist, she liked to punish them, it made her feel good. So its good you dont understand, really... My father was one and i can spot them from a mile away. These people are beyond crazy.
Kevin, Ruby’s husband was fully aware and participated in abusing his kids with Ruby. Kevin also abandoned his kids when Ruby had them with Jodi. He is NOT innocent in this at all. He should be charged as well. Ruby is NOT a victim here at all. Kevin isn’t either. All 3 of them need to be in prison. The only victims are the children. Period.
There likely isn’t evidence to charge Kevin with the same crimes that Ruby and Jodi are convicted of. But! Everything you pointed out is evidence that should give the court pause regarding giving him custody of the children.
kevin liked his year off from his marriage and kids so he can meet other women. im not buying this porn addiction crap. He was enjoying the single life.
Jessi Hildebrandt recently said that she had been in touch with Kevin, and what he told her was quite similar to the story other male 'clients' of Jodi have told since her arrest: Jodi separated men and women, then made the men the 'evil' problem and her the solution, then taking all the power over the spouse and isolating her. She created triangles that were extremely exploitative and abusive. One of the men who stepped forward is now separated from his family because of... criminal accusations, I'll say, which he claims were fabricated by Jodi. I can see why people blame Kevin, but he also seems to be a victim. Jessi Hildebrandt - whose story is horrifying - calls her aunt a psychopath. And I can see why.
I used to feel that way until I saw the newly released footage of Kevin during his police interrogation as well as his released phone calls with Ruby while in jail. He shows an immense amount of concern and love for Ruby and not an ounce of concern for his children….the ones who were literally hospitalized for malnutrition and dehydration and wounds. He’s in love with his wife…but he doesn’t love his kids and I don’t think he ever did.
Jodi has a God complex. She created her own cult by seeking out narcissistic women in a community where women are marginalized. Then she convinced these women to isolate and torture their husbands and children. Adam Paul Steed gives a great interview on Mormon podcasts detailing exactly how she did this to him. Adam, however, fought for his kids. While Kevin was absolutely willing to sacrifice his kids in order to get Ruby back.
It was all BS! Everything she said was to try and fool the judge that she was brainwashed! Sadly Her lawyer, the prosecutor, and the judge bought it. She even talked about this with her sister during a phone call.
5:16 It wasn't just her not giving her child lunch.It was her making her child solely responsible for lunch and when she would forget like a child would She did not bring her child a lunch because she needed to punish her for forgetting. Which is somehow worse...
She should’ve made sure her child had the lunch box before she walked out. It’s ok to have your child pack her own lunch, but you still need to monitor them and redirect them. It seems she saw she had no lunchbox and knew she would starve and felt great joy at the thought of it.
As an additional observer from afar, I think you hit the nail on the head. I’ve also seen the multiple interviews with Jodi’s niece. You should try to get her for an interview! She may be able to fill in some blanks about Jodi’s history.
Did you happen to see the bodycam video where Kevin Franke was pissed at the police officers for not pursuing burglary charges against his eldest daughter? She was picking up items from the home for the younger siblings she’s been taking care of from the home Kevin hasn’t lived in for over a year…..when he was in the children’s lives, he was also controlling and abusive - just like Ruby. He shamed and agitated the children, and participated in whatever punishment Ruby saw fit. He’s not an innocent victim here, and he isn’t a good healing home for these children.
I accidentally clicked on a Rubi Franke (8 passengers) video back in 2016 while i was looking for some “reacting to old footage” videos and in this particular video Rubi was reacting to some of her old home videos from her childhood it looked pretty normal and happy to me. During this time i think she had around 30,000 subscribers. Her energy and empathy whilst reacting to the videos drew me in and i subscribed. She was very fun, engaging and in a way goofy in videos she posted during this period (2016-2018). I think the turning point was the steep increase in popularity. Her kids were growing up and learning new things that would clash with her incredibly frigid belief system, and she would always be reading about something that would ensure her kids aren’t spoiled and in a way projecting to the viewers that she knows better than anyone out there and she was taking care of it. Then from there everything went in to the gutter when Hildebrandt came in to the mix.
I am a mother of five adults (21-43), and you realize with that many kids, that you don’t have all the answers. I also learned how different each child can be, so what encourages one might not be helpful to another. That being said, I especially resent the celebrities, or people with a public profile, acting as if they are ‘experts’ after having their children. Nothing qualifies these people as experts and I don’t understand their ego at holding themselves out as such.
What's interesting is while I was watching "the program" on Netflix some of the practices sounded very similar to what Jodi and Ruby were doing. Then in the 3rd episode the first guy to start one of these "therapy schools" was Mormon just like Jodi and Ruby....and the head guy used it as a money maker and even had his own kids in the program at times and so many of the tools and methods they used seem right out of Jodie's playbook as well and it seems like there's a lot more to this story and the history of this.
What they had as you described was a perfect storm for evil. What is so unbelievable is that Jodi was so strong she could do some of these things in public with the LDS church and no one was strong enough to stop her. People knew and some even spoke up but the authorities didn’t stop it. TH-cam personalities saw it and spoke up but were not able to convince those who could have stopped it.
That's because those who could have stopped it are also entangled in the same nefarious church and listen to their directives above all else. There are many more kids still enduring abuse without the spotlight and no one coming to help because the "helpers" are in the same cult as the abusers and they planned it that way.
@@educ6302 That’s not what I’m saying though. I’m not saying every member is evil or in a massive group chat together. I understand there are good people of every faith. I am saying that the people who are in a position to actually do something about these abuses (law enforcement cps etc) are also church members and when faced with the choice of following the church directives or doing what is legally necessary they choose the church. The church has worked for many years to install members in high ranking positions for this reason. To avoid public/legal scrutiny and to operate outside of the law and to cover up abuses and deal with them internally (aka not at all). It doesn’t matter how many decent people report it when the people they report it to are in the pocket of the church and told to ignore it.
As someone that's ex LDS, the LDS should make a statement on them. She was going down the Lori path. These kids where less then a year away from being unalived based on Ruby's journal. And all 3 of these women are LDS. Thats so concerning.
Yes. One of her weird comments was that if SHE were lesbian that would be okay because SHE would actually love her female partner. WTH does she think is the typical lesbian relationship. I forget what other creepy things she said. Not to mention I can't imagine her loving anyone at all, and she certainly despises men.
On the 20/20 special Eve stated she couldn’t cheat and get water even in the shower and when asked what she meant she said Ruby and Jodi watched her shower - that screams pedophile behavior to me at her being 9 years old
I also had this impression from early on, as if maybe Jodi was using a sexual connection to exert even more power over Rubi. I also heard from one of Kevin's questioning videos about how the both of them (+ the other woman from Connexions) would go into a bedroom together, stay locked up for hours and come out of it 'in cloud nine'
As far as I’m concerned, Ruby’s “remorse” in court was complete bullshit. She’s manipulating people so that she’ll get a lesser sentence. She’s completely aware of that, since she discussed it during a phone call, and I don’t believe a word she says.
You’re so right to talk about Ruby’s childhood, a lot of people haven’t talked about it either. Since there’s not a lot of information, it’s hard to say, but my instinct is that as a child she was abused much worse, and therefore that was normalized. She sought help when things were getting hard, and the “help” was even more disturbed that she was and made it even worse. You can’t be right in the head and behave the way she does, and you definitely don’t act this way if you had an idillic childhood yourself. Reminds me of my own mom, except she did the exact opposite. She was raised by an abusive woman with undiagnosed psychiatric problems. She told me starting very young - “my mommy was very mean to me. I promised when you were born I would never be like her. I want us to have the exact opposite life together.” She kept her promise as much as she possibly could. Still, it was the 90s, and she’s since apologized for things she learned were bad when she trained as a therapist herself. But “honey, I should never have spanked you kids” is different than duct taping us and pouring cayenne pepper into our open wounds. I don’t understand how a mother gets to that place. I can’t understand doing that to any child, let alone your own baby. If someone looks at my niece sideways I wanna fight them.
Love your comment. My mom is similar to yours in how she chose to overcome her abuse and raise her kids, but her abuse was quite severe and so ingrained that her best intentions could not save her from brining the same abuse into her life and onto her kids over and over again. So cool your mom got into therapy and that you two seem to have such a beautiful understanding. Especially your understanding towards your mom. That's really awesome. 🌷
I was just watching "Shiny happy people" where they were talking about the ILBP and there seems to be a lot of similarities. Control, submission, order, obey, ect. All of it is beyond acceptable and truly damaging. I pray those kids are getting the help they need to start to heal and are able to lead happy, fulfilling lives.
Would love to hear more about the behavior “correction” camps. Just watched Program on Netflix and it focuses on these institutions. They feel super abusive and sad
I just finished watching...did you notice the similarities of Ruby and Jodi's punishments and the schools in this show? And then in the 3rd episode come to find out the schools were started by a prominent Mormon.
Very good analysis. I would love to hear your thoughts on what you think the long term effects and implications this abuse is going to have on the children.
When I was in graduate school for counseling psychology I realized that 8 out of 10 students in the class were more disturbed than the clients they says they wanted to help. What was even worse was that they had no self awareness of it. It made me lose regards in the profession. I think most people that go into the field do so thinking they can cure others when they themselves are not willing to explore their own demons.
People keep saying Ruby seemed remorseful. I must be taking crazy pills because I didn’t get that sense at all. She seemed most upset when she talked about her husband, and the look on her face seems condescending like she thinks she is the smartest person in the room (at her sentencing) she looks so smug and I feel like she went overboard in using contrite sounding words but everything about her smug ass face and the confidence in her body language tells me she is not sorry in the slightest.
Thanks for the comment on the parenting community. This is not one fits all. Depending on child temperament, caregivers' values, lifestyle, and standards.
Ruby spoke words of remorse, but I found it unsettling that she had a list of people she thanked. I’m not making a dig at sincere gratitude, but it felt like Ruby was making an Oscar acceptance speech: “Thank you to all those who helped me be on this stage”. Maybe? Idk.
I definitely believe Ruby is a narcissist, but I don't buy her display of remorse. She wants to be the teacher's pet in every situation, and in court she had to put on a show of remorse to be seen not only as a victim and not responsible for her choices and actions, but the most remorseful defendent ever, ever, ever so she gets her gold star. She's not just remorseful, she's grateful to the officers who arrested her, and the guard who strip searched her, etc, etc, etc. It's still her narcissism at play. Long before she ever met Jody, you could see the absolute glee she experienced abusing her children. Those were literally the only times her face lit up over years of 8 Passengers videos. Jody gave her a story to latch onto, but the sadism was always there.
You need to read ruby’s diary. I found it on dcp. She writes about what she did to the kids, and what she planned to do. You think ruby’s bad now. You have no idea. Edit: if you think Ruby is less culpable than Jody, I disagree. In her phone call to Kevin when she is prison, she is worried about their money. Not the kids-well, except that they are evil, of course. Also on DCP
No, that is not true. I followed 8 passengers from the beginning. I thougt Ruby was a loving, kind and intelligent mum and Kevin a fun Dad. The moment things went seriously wrong, was when Ruby consulted conexxions with Jodi Hildebrandt. She transforned into this creepy, arrogant self absorbed person. That was the moment I cancelled 8 passengers.
Im so glad you made the connection to the wilderness camps. I had the same thought. The psychology break down they use on these kids. The forced "confession" the kids make to stop the abuse. Its all horrible
Please do the video. A guy I went to high school with did a reform cruise and sadly ended his life a few years ago. I lost touch so I don’t know what was going on when he did it. Watching the documentaries made me think of him though.
As a former Mormon, I have been fascinated with this story and have listened to hours and hours of interviews about it. For what it’s worth, I think that your analysis here is spot on. 💜
I’m a mainstream Mormon- never in my life would I think of abusing my children- most of my friends were Mormon moms and they were some of the kindest, best moms I’ve ever met. No one teaches us to abuse our children in our religion. I’m so tired of accusations about being harsh etc- it’s just not true. As in ALL religions there are crazies- these two were just that.
He didn’t imply that Mormons are taught from the pulpit to be harsh. The LDS religion is a prosperity gospel that preaches perfection, cultivates purity culture, and celebrates external beauty and power. Those attributes are fertile ground for child abuse by parents and “wilderness camps.” To ignore the correlation will only exacerbate the problem.
Beautifully empathetic, holistic assessment, which is necessary for all (ncluding and especially perpetrators) to grow, change, and learn. Otherwise, these scenarios are doomed to repeat themselves, especially with methods of hiding abuse from caring eyes. Constantly , solely vilifying doesn't help, in the long run. Thank you for teaching.💛
Its just wild how jodi fully took over the franke family. I thought jodi was a lesbian with her relationship with ruby. Its just so strange. Thankfully the one child got away and got help before they were killed.
Thank yoplease do more videos ...I think they will b very helpful and informative. Your assessment makes the most sense of any opinions/evaluations of their personalities and relationship that I have heard .
I’m impressed that you operate from such a place of grace. For me, I saw Ruby’s speech before sentencing more about the grandeur of it all unless about her effects on others however, I know you’re the expert I know I would watch more on the wilderness camps.
Yes, I’d like to see more on these types of camps re: discipline and parenting. A deep dive on permissive parenting vs. submissive parenting and long term consequences of both would also be great
I am so confused This is a legitimate question. I had heard nothing but bad news about better help. I seen a therapist that I really liked and one day he was talking about better help, they were sponsoring him. I said to myself okay well they can't be that bad. What's the weather on there, & it was that bad. So unprofessional. Okay my question is is it a big coincidence, that I've been hearing bad things about better help, & then had a bad experience??
I grew as a member of the LDS Church, but I wasn't aware of the existence of wilderness camps until recently because I was raised outside of the “Mormon bubble” in Colorado. It's important to note that these camps were established and run by individual members of the church, and are not officially endorsed or affiliated with the church in any other capacity. These members have created these camps under the guise of our faith, but they are not sanctioned by the church itself. Anyway, I love your videos and I'm interested to hear your perspective on more of these topics. 😊
the best parenting strategies ibr found are to be emotionally attuded and bonded with my children and to work on my own emotional regulation and psychological wellness. When im healthy and im paying attention to my child Im better able to figure out a specific technique to deal with their behavior. i have 4 kids 2 are adults, they are all different and the youngest, my brilliant son, has the most challenging emotions and behavior. Figuring out when to help him regulate, when to be softer, and when to use more behavioral aporoaches (like punishments) is truely an art form and I dont always get it right, but i do better when I dont lose my shit.
There is a great TH-cam channel that has delved deep into Jodie and her connections to the Mormon leaders. It is very eye-opening. Mormon Stories Podcast, I think, is the name. It I enlightening as to the why.
I am LDS and have been for my entire life. I’ve never heard of a wilderness camp associated with my faith. Our young men and women go on camping trips, but they are not disciplinary in any way and are only for a few days. If there are these disciplinary camps that are claiming to be associated with our church, they are (1) lying and (2) completely going against the teachings of the LDS church. I will say that you are correct, David, in saying that the LDS faith can be harsh. There are a lot of expectations and pressure.
Wow. The video and rubys journal that came out this week were so much more horror filled than I imagined. We are gonna need a 2nd video, guys 😢 I believe Ruby is every bit as guilty and twisted after seeing these facts.
I think more people who were raised in certain types of parenting need to write books. It will take a support system, but I believe it's needed for our society. I just started writing mine. What is your childhood trauma so we can all learn not to do it or recognize it so intervention can be done before lifetime destruction is done to the child. I'm 46 and struggle every day. If it wasn't for Jesus, I would have taken my life when I was 8 years old, and every age after that, I fight to survive because the memories my body holds are excruciating. The Comforter keeps me going so I can life joyfully even when going through flashbacks and continuing betrayals. God bless
I think your read on them is more than fair and I would love a video on the "troubled teen" industry. I'm not a parent, but the idea of parenting experts is problematic. I think parents need to realize there is no "answer" or one right way to raise a child. You have to use your own judgement to sift through what is best for your situation. David, I wish you would reconsider BetterHelp as a sponsor. There's a lot of concerning things about them.
I’m late to this video but wanted to chime in to say I’d love to see a troubled teen/wilderness camp deep dive. Please ignore the people being offended by the fact that the LDS community is associated with these practices.
I would love to know when Jodi said I did nothing wrong. Then she said something to the effect that before this is over everyone will know what's been going on. Like I said I don't know her exact words but what she said was like a threat To whom, or about whom? I'm assuming she meant Ruby and Kevin. Something else I have a problem with. Several people I've listened to say Ruby seemed genuine or sincere in her letter to the judge. I don't, at least parts of it. We all saw Ruby's way of disciplining her children before she met Jodi. She took great pride in filming herself and her kids. I know when I had to discipline my kids I did not enjoy it. I didn't have to try and hide a smirk or a smile. The last thing I ever wanted to do was hurt my children. I don't mean physically. I never spanked my kids, ever. I was never spanked. I listened to the jail house call she had with her sister. She told her sister she needed to show remorse. She said she needed to show that she was sorry. She said She knew Jodi wouldn't and it would go better for her . She even said the Prosecutor would not step in and suggest how much time Ruby's sentence would be. But he did say he would give his recommendation on Jodi's sentence. Ruby had figured out what she felt she needed to say and do to impress those who had control of her life. Either she came up with this on her own or her lawyer told her this is what needed to be done. It is clearly obvious Ruby is going to say and do anything that will make her sentence lighter. Even if it's all a lie.
David, I have developed a lot of respect for your expertise, experience, and compassionate heart. I am impressed by the elegant way you create boundaries and I am grateful for the way that you explain things that are abstract. Allison is a lucky woman! I can imagine that these qualities help maintain a healthy marriage. Thank you for wanting to do this!
Thank you for covering this. Ruby and Jodi dynamic has left me with a lot of questions. I’m glad those kids have a bit of justice, but what mother would allow that kind of egregious discipline to her kids - for a “parenting” blog. Bleh.
The 8 Passengers videos that I've seen strike me less as Ruby the narcissist and more as Ruby the sadist. She clearly delights in 'disciplining' her children. When she's disciplining, she has a perverse grin on her face. It was disturbing and creepy way before she was charged with felony child abuse. What made her fixate on Russell and Eve particularly? She did that a lot on the 8 Passengers videos as well. What was it about those two kids that sparked her delusions they were possessed?
I wish you would cover the Natalia Grace situation. I think you can do it gracefully so it doesn't come across in a negative way. It's such an interesting case!
Please review and give your opinion on the phone call from jail between Ruby and Kevin Franke. I'm having a difficult time believing Ruby is remorseful for what she did.
Just a note that Better Help has been convicted of sharing their users' sensitive data with Facebook, Snapchat and others so that they could be served with more targeted ads....along with the other terrible things they are accused of.
Ok. So, now we bash the 18 million Mormons as a whole? Makes sense.
Right? And why?
What did I say? How was I bashing Mormons? I don’t believe I said anything critical about the faith. I am not understanding why people are taking it that way.
@PopPsych @PopPsych you stated towards the end of your video the following, "The philosophy with some of these wilderness camps - especially the Mormon faith where they are abusing kids at the point of submission in order to heal them."
The LDS church is not associated with "Wilderness Camps." Do some people send their kids there? Probably, but as a lifetime member, we DO NOT and have never been told to abuse our kids to submission. It's so incredibly generalized as if though you are stating the church is responsible for ALL these behaviors committed by people like Ruby and Jodi. It's NOT within the church standards, it's network and most of all, we don't tolerate abuse. Are ALL members of the LDS faith free and clear of crime and abuse? NO! But come on! We're not a society of abuse and submission. We believe in the 13 articles of faith - look them up. They are our belief systems. That's just the beginning. If abuse takes place, leadership does take a stance and WILL excommunicate and will turn offenders into the police. I believe you are usually fair and do your homework, but when you stated that comment (as many others continue to generalize the Mormon faith in current crimes) it just gets so saturated.
Oh! That is NOT what I meant. I am saying that the troubled teen wilderness camp industry - which often has affiliations with LDS - has a bad history of using the submission model. I am not talking about the Mormon faith globally. Sorry for the confusion.
@@PopPsychJodi was on the original board of the camp Paris Hilton went to.
If you look back at all her videos her husband was just as bad to those children as she was. I don’t agree with Rubys by any means but to excuse her husband from responsibility and for him allow her to continue to torture those children and walk away with no concerns is unforgivable.
Omg I absolutely agree 1000%
Not saying I excuse his behavior but I think Kevin was just as brainwashed as Ruby by Jodi. Check out Without a Crystal Ball’s channel. She has the full audio of his interview with police on how he was systematically brainwashed and removed from his own home. Again, not excusing! But it’s interesting to hear what he had to say about it once he was “deprogrammed” 🤷🏻♀️
@@stacies89 they were both ass holes before Jodi
Yup he is just as bad. He let that happen to them by being absent, I highly doubt he never saw any signs of abuse
@@stacies89 I will never watch that crystal ball channel ever again! I used to watch her lives and she just allowed her husband to verbally abuse their son!
Some info I gleaned from going deep down the rabbit hole after this story broke. 1. Jodi was sexually abused for several years as a very young child. 2. She was married for about two years. It was a very contentious divorce where she tried to ruin him. 3. She is estranged from her son and daughter due to her treatment of them. 4. Jodi could be a lesbian. She told her niece, Jessi, that it would be different if SHE was with a woman bc they would be in love. 5. Ruby’s parents also had a family vlog. 6. Ruby has four sisters and one brother. They were all involved in family vlogs, although two were not heavily involved. 7. The LDS church has an unhealthy focus on sex and what they think is deviant. So much shame and guilt. Unhealthy.
I know it’s a big time investment, but you should watch Mormon Stories Podcast (TH-cam) interviews with Jessi Hildebrandt. Very informative about Jodi. The interview with Adam Paul Steed was amazing, but with the cases they had to take it down. Hopefully it can be re-released.
This story is very important. Thank you for covering it. The “troubled teen” industry is very bad and so many are located in Utah and run by LDS members.
You really need to read Ruby's journals and do another video. I would love a psychologists's perspective on her skewed perspective
The smirk and look of glee as rubie threatened to cut the head off her youngest daughters favorite stuffed animal, to her daughters immediate breakdown was beyond disgusting to me.
I really think your evaluation was very spot on.
Well said!
That continual smirk. The glee in hurting her child. No compassion. The helpless rage her children must have felt in the face of that smirk.
Sadist do look like that. Imagine your child’s suffering bringing you joy.
Religion is too often abusive.
I got “saved” at 8.
The next day my teacher told me that I didn’t deserve to be “saved”. I couldn’t sit perfectly still, so clearly I had yet to find Jesus.
I was a fidgety kid.
Unforgivable. I had to be Satan!!!!! (According to Mrs. Thompson) My experience is that Christian adults used religion to abuse others.
Then I married a wonderful
Whose father was evangelical preacher. So he shamed and abused both of us.
Fr. Fallout New Vegas comes to mind where multiple places you can rip up stuffed animals in front of kids. She is comically karmic evil.
I appreciate you being willing to use the word evil. Somethings really are evil.
I agree with all you said, except Ruby's remorse. I think she knew what she needed to say and was mostly sad, she was being held accountable. In her case, she should have been sobbing at what she did to her children and ultimately her family. And drop the "I would like to thank....." That felt gross. I think she is a good actress.
Re: Jodi’s attitude toward men-I think it’s also important to take into account the LDS purity culture and teachings on pornography. In addition, I don’t think that Ruby was truly remorseful; I think her apologies were manipulative.
Came to say that. And it may also be the reason for the "alleged" suppressed lesbianism and hence the hatred towards men.
@@lohofa I don't think lesbians hate men -- most of them. I mean, it's just a sexual orientation, you know?
Nothing to do with believing in and teaching purity. Jodi is just a psycho. She seems to hate men and alienated them from their wives so she can get closer to them. Wouldn’t be surprised if she is a lesbian.
I have a very difficult time watching the glee on Ruby’s face as she discusses a punishment for her children. My children are grown now, but as i raised them, I never once felt that emotion if they needed discipline.
Yeah actually when you really love your kids it's really hard to discipline them I do it and man it sucks. It's not the funnest thing to be the disciplinarian it's necessary to teach them but it's not pleasurable. Sometimes it makes me freaking cry
Sadistic, even eroticised abuse.
@@Angelface11Why? You don’t beat them, do you? If you do you will humiliate them and create disgust in them.
She has got to be a sadist. A normal person would not find that kind of gleeful pleasure in punishing their children.
She's a sadist, she liked to punish them, it made her feel good. So its good you dont understand, really... My father was one and i can spot them from a mile away. These people are beyond crazy.
Kevin, Ruby’s husband was fully aware and participated in abusing his kids with Ruby. Kevin also abandoned his kids when Ruby had them with Jodi. He is NOT innocent in this at all. He should be charged as well. Ruby is NOT a victim here at all. Kevin isn’t either. All 3 of them need to be in prison. The only victims are the children. Period.
There likely isn’t evidence to charge Kevin with the same crimes that Ruby and Jodi are convicted of. But! Everything you pointed out is evidence that should give the court pause regarding giving him custody of the children.
kevin liked his year off from his marriage and kids so he can meet other women. im not buying this porn addiction crap. He was enjoying the single life.
@@DonnaLena1 He abused them emotionally with Ruby before jodi entered the picture.
Thank you for saying it and breaking it down. Not all therapists have altruistic motivations in their career of choice or methodology
Jessi Hildebrandt recently said that she had been in touch with Kevin, and what he told her was quite similar to the story other male 'clients' of Jodi have told since her arrest: Jodi separated men and women, then made the men the 'evil' problem and her the solution, then taking all the power over the spouse and isolating her. She created triangles that were extremely exploitative and abusive. One of the men who stepped forward is now separated from his family because of... criminal accusations, I'll say, which he claims were fabricated by Jodi. I can see why people blame Kevin, but he also seems to be a victim.
Jessi Hildebrandt - whose story is horrifying - calls her aunt a psychopath. And I can see why.
I used to feel that way until I saw the newly released footage of Kevin during his police interrogation as well as his released phone calls with Ruby while in jail. He shows an immense amount of concern and love for Ruby and not an ounce of concern for his children….the ones who were literally hospitalized for malnutrition and dehydration and wounds. He’s in love with his wife…but he doesn’t love his kids and I don’t think he ever did.
He also accused his oldest daughter of theft and wanted her charged. He is an asshole.
Jodi has a God complex. She created her own cult by seeking out narcissistic women in a community where women are marginalized. Then she convinced these women to isolate and torture their husbands and children. Adam Paul Steed gives a great interview on Mormon podcasts detailing exactly how she did this to him. Adam, however, fought for his kids. While Kevin was absolutely willing to sacrifice his kids in order to get Ruby back.
Call me crazy I can't explain it but when ever Jessi is speaking I get feeling she didn't fall far enough away from the tree.
Ruby Franke’s thank you “acceptance speech” at her sentencing hearing was something else
I don't understand how anyone thought that had even an ounce of genuine remorse.
Agree 100%- she was performing for her audience. It was very self serving in my opinion
It was all BS! Everything she said was to try and fool the judge that she was brainwashed! Sadly Her lawyer, the prosecutor, and the judge bought it. She even talked about this with her sister during a phone call.
5:16 It wasn't just her not giving her child lunch.It was her making her child solely responsible for lunch and when she would forget like a child would She did not bring her child a lunch because she needed to punish her for forgetting. Which is somehow worse...
and she hoped that no one would feed her at school so she will stay hungry so she wont forget her lunch again. Cruel..
She should’ve made sure her child had the lunch box before she walked out. It’s ok to have your child pack her own lunch, but you still need to monitor them and redirect them. It seems she saw she had no lunchbox and knew she would starve and felt great joy at the thought of it.
Yes plz for wilderness camp video!! Love your perspective on all these topics
As an additional observer from afar, I think you hit the nail on the head. I’ve also seen the multiple interviews with Jodi’s niece. You should try to get her for an interview! She may be able to fill in some blanks about Jodi’s history.
yesssss
I think he has already seen the interviews with the niece.
Yes please!!!
Did you happen to see the bodycam video where Kevin Franke was pissed at the police officers for not pursuing burglary charges against his eldest daughter? She was picking up items from the home for the younger siblings she’s been taking care of from the home Kevin hasn’t lived in for over a year…..when he was in the children’s lives, he was also controlling and abusive - just like Ruby. He shamed and agitated the children, and participated in whatever punishment Ruby saw fit. He’s not an innocent victim here, and he isn’t a good healing home for these children.
I accidentally clicked on a Rubi Franke (8 passengers) video back in 2016 while i was looking for some “reacting to old footage” videos and in this particular video Rubi was reacting to some of her old home videos from her childhood it looked pretty normal and happy to me. During this time i think she had around 30,000 subscribers. Her energy and empathy whilst reacting to the videos drew me in and i subscribed. She was very fun, engaging and in a way goofy in videos she posted during this period (2016-2018). I think the turning point was the steep increase in popularity. Her kids were growing up and learning new things that would clash with her incredibly frigid belief system, and she would always be reading about something that would ensure her kids aren’t spoiled and in a way projecting to the viewers that she knows better than anyone out there and she was taking care of it. Then from there everything went in to the gutter when Hildebrandt came in to the mix.
Thanks for the distinction between antisocial and narcissistic behavior. Good info!
I am a mother of five adults (21-43), and you realize with that many kids, that you don’t have all the answers. I also learned how different each child can be, so what encourages one might not be helpful to another. That being said, I especially resent the celebrities, or people with a public profile, acting as if they are ‘experts’ after having their children. Nothing qualifies these people as experts and I don’t understand their ego at holding themselves out as such.
I have three and it was a good 10 years before I realized that I have to approach each child differently in regard to discipline.
What's interesting is while I was watching "the program" on Netflix some of the practices sounded very similar to what Jodi and Ruby were doing. Then in the 3rd episode the first guy to start one of these "therapy schools" was Mormon just like Jodi and Ruby....and the head guy used it as a money maker and even had his own kids in the program at times and so many of the tools and methods they used seem right out of Jodie's playbook as well and it seems like there's a lot more to this story and the history of this.
This is the first analysis that makes sense of this awful situation . Thank you
I feel the same!
What they had as you described was a perfect storm for evil. What is so unbelievable is that Jodi was so strong she could do some of these things in public with the LDS church and no one was strong enough to stop her. People knew and some even spoke up but the authorities didn’t stop it. TH-cam personalities saw it and spoke up but were not able to convince those who could have stopped it.
That's because those who could have stopped it are also entangled in the same nefarious church and listen to their directives above all else. There are many more kids still enduring abuse without the spotlight and no one coming to help because the "helpers" are in the same cult as the abusers and they planned it that way.
Yes -- like Warren Jeffs etc. Same attitude toward child rearing.
For the record, WE LDS members saw and opposed the behavior. Were not like secretly texting her to commit her heinous crimes. Weird.
@@educ6302 That’s not what I’m saying though. I’m not saying every member is evil or in a massive group chat together. I understand there are good people of every faith. I am saying that the people who are in a position to actually do something about these abuses (law enforcement cps etc) are also church members and when faced with the choice of following the church directives or doing what is legally necessary they choose the church. The church has worked for many years to install members in high ranking positions for this reason. To avoid public/legal scrutiny and to operate outside of the law and to cover up abuses and deal with them internally (aka not at all). It doesn’t matter how many decent people report it when the people they report it to are in the pocket of the church and told to ignore it.
Why did Jodi get arrested though? Shouldn't she be out free with all the "power" she has?
As someone that's ex LDS, the LDS should make a statement on them. She was going down the Lori path. These kids where less then a year away from being unalived based on Ruby's journal. And all 3 of these women are LDS. Thats so concerning.
I get the lesbian feel from her also. I've wondered about that.
Yes. One of her weird comments was that if SHE were lesbian that would be okay because SHE would actually love her female partner. WTH does she think is the typical lesbian relationship. I forget what other creepy things she said. Not to mention I can't imagine her loving anyone at all, and she certainly despises men.
On the 20/20 special Eve stated she couldn’t cheat and get water even in the shower and when asked what she meant she said Ruby and Jodi watched her shower - that screams pedophile behavior to me at her being 9 years old
I also had this impression from early on, as if maybe Jodi was using a sexual connection to exert even more power over Rubi. I also heard from one of Kevin's questioning videos about how the both of them (+ the other woman from Connexions) would go into a bedroom together, stay locked up for hours and come out of it 'in cloud nine'
@@karinareis64 That made me laugh so hard when he said that😂 Buncha creepy wierdos. I'm sure they were in a trance😂
Jodi & ruby kevin was saying they slept in same bed
As far as I’m concerned, Ruby’s “remorse” in court was complete bullshit. She’s manipulating people so that she’ll get a lesser sentence. She’s completely aware of that, since she discussed it during a phone call, and I don’t believe a word she says.
You’re so right to talk about Ruby’s childhood, a lot of people haven’t talked about it either. Since there’s not a lot of information, it’s hard to say, but my instinct is that as a child she was abused much worse, and therefore that was normalized. She sought help when things were getting hard, and the “help” was even more disturbed that she was and made it even worse. You can’t be right in the head and behave the way she does, and you definitely don’t act this way if you had an idillic childhood yourself.
Reminds me of my own mom, except she did the exact opposite. She was raised by an abusive woman with undiagnosed psychiatric problems. She told me starting very young - “my mommy was very mean to me. I promised when you were born I would never be like her. I want us to have the exact opposite life together.”
She kept her promise as much as she possibly could. Still, it was the 90s, and she’s since apologized for things she learned were bad when she trained as a therapist herself. But “honey, I should never have spanked you kids” is different than duct taping us and pouring cayenne pepper into our open wounds. I don’t understand how a mother gets to that place. I can’t understand doing that to any child, let alone your own baby. If someone looks at my niece sideways I wanna fight them.
Love your comment. My mom is similar to yours in how she chose to overcome her abuse and raise her kids, but her abuse was quite severe and so ingrained that her best intentions could not save her from brining the same abuse into her life and onto her kids over and over again. So cool your mom got into therapy and that you two seem to have such a beautiful understanding. Especially your understanding towards your mom. That's really awesome. 🌷
You both really really need to watch Hidden True Crime with Lauren and Dr. John. You will find the answers you are looking for there.
As a parent coach, I agree with everything you said and would love to see another video. Thanks for the interesting content❤
I was just watching "Shiny happy people" where they were talking about the ILBP and there seems to be a lot of similarities. Control, submission, order, obey, ect. All of it is beyond acceptable and truly damaging. I pray those kids are getting the help they need to start to heal and are able to lead happy, fulfilling lives.
Jodi Hildebrandt should have never had her license reinstated after violating her client's right to confidentiality.
i dont believe she did, i believe she was practicing as unlicensed
Would love to hear more about the behavior “correction” camps. Just watched Program on Netflix and it focuses on these institutions. They feel super abusive and sad
I just finished watching...did you notice the similarities of Ruby and Jodi's punishments and the schools in this show? And then in the 3rd episode come to find out the schools were started by a prominent Mormon.
@@lisak5804 I did notice that, scary!
Yes please do do another video on this topic, fascinating!
I agree with your assessments! I also believe some of the black and white thinking of her faith feed into the extreme abuses
FACTS!
As someone who watched the trial I find your take very interesting so please make more content like this
Very good analysis. I would love to hear your thoughts on what you think the long term effects and implications this abuse is going to have on the children.
When I was in graduate school for counseling psychology I realized that 8 out of 10 students in the class were more disturbed than the clients they says they wanted to help. What was even worse was that they had no self awareness of it. It made me lose regards in the profession. I think most people that go into the field do so thinking they can cure others when they themselves are not willing to explore their own demons.
People keep saying Ruby seemed remorseful. I must be taking crazy pills because I didn’t get that sense at all. She seemed most upset when she talked about her husband, and the look on her face seems condescending like she thinks she is the smartest person in the room (at her sentencing) she looks so smug and I feel like she went overboard in using contrite sounding words but everything about her smug ass face and the confidence in her body language tells me she is not sorry in the slightest.
Oh, I was so excited for this when you guys announced the other day it was coming down the chute.
You’re not the only one! I’m late to this case too and now I can’t stop watching the nightmare!
Thanks for the comment on the parenting community. This is not one fits all. Depending on child temperament, caregivers' values, lifestyle, and standards.
Yes, I would be interested in your take on the wilderness camps. Thanks for all you do !
Ding Ding Ding….spot on analysis.
Ruby spoke words of remorse, but I found it unsettling that she had a list of people she thanked. I’m not making a dig at sincere gratitude, but it felt like Ruby was making an Oscar acceptance speech: “Thank you to all those who helped me be on this stage”. Maybe? Idk.
I definitely believe Ruby is a narcissist, but I don't buy her display of remorse. She wants to be the teacher's pet in every situation, and in court she had to put on a show of remorse to be seen not only as a victim and not responsible for her choices and actions, but the most remorseful defendent ever, ever, ever so she gets her gold star. She's not just remorseful, she's grateful to the officers who arrested her, and the guard who strip searched her, etc, etc, etc. It's still her narcissism at play. Long before she ever met Jody, you could see the absolute glee she experienced abusing her children. Those were literally the only times her face lit up over years of 8 Passengers videos. Jody gave her a story to latch onto, but the sadism was always there.
You need to read ruby’s diary. I found it on dcp. She writes about what she did to the kids, and what she planned to do. You think ruby’s bad now. You have no idea.
Edit: if you think Ruby is less culpable than Jody, I disagree. In her phone call to Kevin when she is prison, she is worried about their money. Not the kids-well, except that they are evil, of course. Also on DCP
whats DCP?
Check out Mormon Stories Podcast. Jodi is following church teachings. She was blessed repeatedly by the highest authorities in the church.
Yes please do the wilderness video.
I never watched Ruby’s videos, but people have been saying for years, before she met Jodi, that she treated her kids terribly.
No, that is not true. I followed 8 passengers from the beginning. I thougt Ruby was a loving, kind and intelligent mum and Kevin a fun Dad. The moment things went seriously wrong, was when Ruby consulted conexxions with Jodi Hildebrandt. She transforned into this creepy, arrogant self absorbed person. That was the moment I cancelled 8 passengers.
That’s scary to think that someone can influence and manipulate people in that way.
Im so glad you made the connection to the wilderness camps. I had the same thought. The psychology break down they use on these kids. The forced "confession" the kids make to stop the abuse. Its all horrible
I loved this video and i would love more like it please!!!!!
Please do the video. A guy I went to high school with did a reform cruise and sadly ended his life a few years ago. I lost touch so I don’t know what was going on when he did it. Watching the documentaries made me think of him though.
I just was listening and I always equate the word swat or swatting usually used for calling the swat team to a person’s house, not spanking.
As a former Mormon, I have been fascinated with this story and have listened to hours and hours of interviews about it. For what it’s worth, I think that your analysis here is spot on. 💜
I would be interested in a video about the wilderness camps you mentioned. Feel free to go on any other deep dives too!
I’m a mainstream Mormon- never in my life would I think of abusing my children- most of my friends were Mormon moms and they were some of the kindest, best moms I’ve ever met. No one teaches us to abuse our children in our religion. I’m so tired of accusations about being harsh etc- it’s just not true. As in ALL religions there are crazies- these two were just that.
He didn’t imply that Mormons are taught from the pulpit to be harsh. The LDS religion is a prosperity gospel that preaches perfection, cultivates purity culture, and celebrates external beauty and power. Those attributes are fertile ground for child abuse by parents and “wilderness camps.” To ignore the correlation will only exacerbate the problem.
Religion is just a giant excuse for people to claim a moral high ground. Less religion = less crazy, that simple. Now go back to praying to Santa
Once video. I have avoided looking at videos of this for a variety of reasons. But, I knew yours yours would be a good one.
Beautifully empathetic, holistic assessment, which is necessary for all (ncluding and especially perpetrators) to grow, change, and learn. Otherwise, these scenarios are doomed to repeat themselves, especially with methods of hiding abuse from caring eyes. Constantly , solely vilifying doesn't help, in the long run. Thank you for teaching.💛
I would definitely watch about the wilderness camps. Very interesting stuff.
Its just wild how jodi fully took over the franke family. I thought jodi was a lesbian with her relationship with ruby. Its just so strange. Thankfully the one child got away and got help before they were killed.
Thank yoplease do more videos ...I think they will b very helpful and informative.
Your assessment makes the most sense of any opinions/evaluations of their personalities and relationship that I have heard .
Agree totally with you. Please keep going
I’m impressed that you operate from such a place of grace. For me, I saw Ruby’s speech before sentencing more about the grandeur of it all unless about her effects on others however, I know you’re the expert I know I would watch more on the wilderness camps.
Loved your analysis.
Yes, I’d like to see more on these types of camps re: discipline and parenting. A deep dive on permissive parenting vs. submissive parenting and long term consequences of both would also be great
Awesome review and I’m so saddened that this type of pseudo therapist are around, please do the new video
Great video! You have great insights
Yes please do the camp video
Almost at 100,000 subs! Nice!
I am so confused
This is a legitimate question.
I had heard nothing but bad news about better help.
I seen a therapist that I really liked and one day he was talking about better help, they were sponsoring him.
I said to myself okay well they can't be that bad. What's the weather on there, & it was that bad. So unprofessional.
Okay my question is is it a big coincidence, that I've been hearing bad things about better help, & then had a bad experience??
As a therapist, any client I’ve seen that used them also had a bad experience.
I have heard very bad things about them as well
@@tashgardner sorry to hear, that is so messed up. I know it. Have a nice day.
I grew as a member of the LDS Church, but I wasn't aware of the existence of wilderness camps until recently because I was raised outside of the “Mormon bubble” in Colorado. It's important to note that these camps were established and run by individual members of the church, and are not officially endorsed or affiliated with the church in any other capacity. These members have created these camps under the guise of our faith, but they are not sanctioned by the church itself.
Anyway, I love your videos and I'm interested to hear your perspective on more of these topics. 😊
I will watch the video. It is so nice to hear from an expert in the field.
Yes! Please do a video on those camps!
the best parenting strategies ibr found are to be emotionally attuded and bonded with my children and to work on my own emotional regulation and psychological wellness. When im healthy and im paying attention to my child Im better able to figure out a specific technique to deal with their behavior. i have 4 kids 2 are adults, they are all different and the youngest, my brilliant son, has the most challenging emotions and behavior. Figuring out when to help him regulate, when to be softer, and when to use more behavioral aporoaches (like punishments) is truely an art form and I dont always get it right, but i do better when I dont lose my shit.
I agree! Work on ourselves first...and it will help our parenting towards our children.
There is a great TH-cam channel that has delved deep into Jodie and her connections to the Mormon leaders. It is very eye-opening. Mormon Stories Podcast, I think, is the name. It I enlightening as to the why.
David- I recently started watching your videos. Do you do a series on the Dugger family and their parenting?
I am LDS and have been for my entire life. I’ve never heard of a wilderness camp associated with my faith. Our young men and women go on camping trips, but they are not disciplinary in any way and are only for a few days. If there are these disciplinary camps that are claiming to be associated with our church, they are (1) lying and (2) completely going against the teachings of the LDS church. I will say that you are correct, David, in saying that the LDS faith can be harsh. There are a lot of expectations and pressure.
Great video quality (very sharp image)
Thanks for this video. I really enjoy learning from you.
Just love your lecture of these woman.
You are entirely correct about Jodi being abused. She details this in her book.
Wow. The video and rubys journal that came out this week were so much more horror filled than I imagined. We are gonna need a 2nd video, guys 😢 I believe Ruby is every bit as guilty and twisted after seeing these facts.
I think more people who were raised in certain types of parenting need to write books. It will take a support system, but I believe it's needed for our society. I just started writing mine. What is your childhood trauma so we can all learn not to do it or recognize it so intervention can be done before lifetime destruction is done to the child. I'm 46 and struggle every day. If it wasn't for Jesus, I would have taken my life when I was 8 years old, and every age after that, I fight to survive because the memories my body holds are excruciating. The Comforter keeps me going so I can life joyfully even when going through flashbacks and continuing betrayals. God bless
I think your read on them is more than fair and I would love a video on the "troubled teen" industry. I'm not a parent, but the idea of parenting experts is problematic. I think parents need to realize there is no "answer" or one right way to raise a child. You have to use your own judgement to sift through what is best for your situation.
David, I wish you would reconsider BetterHelp as a sponsor. There's a lot of concerning things about them.
Great analysis
I’m late to this video but wanted to chime in to say I’d love to see a troubled teen/wilderness camp deep dive. Please ignore the people being offended by the fact that the LDS community is associated with these practices.
I would love to know when Jodi said I did nothing wrong. Then she said something to the effect that before this is over everyone will know what's been going on. Like I said I don't know her exact words but what she said was like a threat To whom, or about whom? I'm assuming she meant Ruby and Kevin. Something else I have a problem with. Several people I've listened to say Ruby seemed genuine or sincere in her letter to the judge. I don't, at least parts of it. We all saw Ruby's way of disciplining her children before she met Jodi. She took great pride in filming herself and her kids. I know when I had to discipline my kids I did not enjoy it. I didn't have to try and hide a smirk or a smile. The last thing I ever wanted to do was hurt my children. I don't mean physically. I never spanked my kids, ever. I was never spanked. I listened to the jail house call she had with her sister. She told her sister she needed to show remorse. She said she needed to show that she was sorry. She said She knew Jodi wouldn't and it would go better for her . She even said the Prosecutor would not step in and suggest how much time Ruby's sentence would be. But he did say he would give his recommendation on Jodi's sentence. Ruby had figured out what she felt she needed to say and do to impress those who had control of her life. Either she came up with this on her own or her lawyer told her this is what needed to be done. It is clearly obvious Ruby is going to say and do anything that will make her sentence lighter. Even if it's all a lie.
David, I have developed a lot of respect for your expertise, experience, and compassionate heart. I am impressed by the elegant way you create boundaries and I am grateful for the way that you explain things that are abstract. Allison is a lucky woman! I can imagine that these qualities help maintain a healthy marriage. Thank you for wanting to do this!
We need a part 2 ❤
Please do another video. I love your perspective on this madness.
Thank you for covering this. Ruby and Jodi dynamic has left me with a lot of questions. I’m glad those kids have a bit of justice, but what mother would allow that kind of egregious discipline to her kids - for a “parenting” blog. Bleh.
The 8 Passengers videos that I've seen strike me less as Ruby the narcissist and more as Ruby the sadist. She clearly delights in 'disciplining' her children. When she's disciplining, she has a perverse grin on her face. It was disturbing and creepy way before she was charged with felony child abuse. What made her fixate on Russell and Eve particularly? She did that a lot on the 8 Passengers videos as well. What was it about those two kids that sparked her delusions they were possessed?
I wish you would cover the Natalia Grace situation. I think you can do it gracefully so it doesn't come across in a negative way. It's such an interesting case!
Please review and give your opinion on the phone call from jail between Ruby and Kevin Franke. I'm having a difficult time believing Ruby is remorseful for what she did.
Just a note that Better Help has been convicted of sharing their users' sensitive data with Facebook, Snapchat and others so that they could be served with more targeted ads....along with the other terrible things they are accused of.
Nothing crushes self worth better than a controlling religion.
Yes! Thank you!
Definitely doing the video. They're very interesting
Jodi is so mean, she's just an unpleasant person. The husband also said she didn't bathe and smelled bad. Such a bizzarre woman.
I haven't really followed this trial. Can you talk about the husband? Where was he?