wow, a quick google of who the parent company is really HAS given me a lot more confidence in these. I've used those lenses on all sorts of projects and they're top notch! Great review. Really weighing up this vs the voigtlander but I'm leaning this way!
I’ve been lucky to shoot this lens for a bit and I agree with you about the infinite lock. Here’s hoping they update the M mount lenses as well? Remove the lock and add a focus tab?
I like your style of videos. Charismatic, nice to listen to, informative, stacked with knowledge... Anyway, in this one photo comparison with Leica, Simera is sharper. That could be affected by different focusing, but just saying as I see. Also, do you have any information about 50mm 1.4 for other mounts, and for simera-c (at this moment available only on e-mount). they are weird with this different mount system, it seems like they did not expect to have this overwhelmingly positive reaction.
@@adinbradic7092 thank you. Yes I’m not sure about the other mount options. I think Thypoch is new enough and versatile enough to see what the market demands and changes quite quickly. I’m sure there will be more mounts coming for the C and 50 lenses in time.
Design is amazing. I actually have a 50mm Summicron Rigid with an infinity lock and love it. I also have a Kern Macro-Switar with the visifocus depth of field markers and love it. The build quality is superb and the image quality is lovely. I used to swear off Chinese lenses, but this one is quality.
Planning to get one for my Zf. If there are strong benefits for using Z mount on Zf, I don’t mind buy the z mount version even that means I won’t be able to use it on my Leica M body. But does the z mount version have chip? If not, I would just stick with M mount version with a 6-bit M-Z adaptor such as techart or TTartisan, so I will have the green box MF confirmation, object detection, 3D tracking and 3 axial IBIS.
Unfortunately, the 35 pales significantly in comparison to the 28. Having used both, it's almost like the 35 is a beta project and the 28 is the public release. The 35 is pretty soft wide open and the vignetting makes it almost unusable. Stopped down, it gets better, but my Voigtlander 35mm f/2 is smaller, lighter, and sharper, even wide open as compared to the Thypoch. I'm not sure what happened with the 35, but it's a no-go. The 28 is a really good performer, though, so I know Thypoch has the ability to make a great lens. I'd like to see them do a version 2 of the 35/1.4 for the 35mm shooters out there.
Too many choices for 28mm on the Leica. I am quite content with my Zeiss Biogon, TTArtisan F5.6 and the Brightin Star pancake. They are not fast but I dont see the need to go F1.4 for 28mm anyway. I prefer a longer focal length like the 35mm and 50mm for fast glass.
Really appreciate that there's new chinese lenses coming out. I'm just not a fan of the design. I know the glass is most important as that's what creates the photos but I don't like the fountain type scale on the lens and not a fan of the infinity lock either.
Lecia really need to get back to their game of making high quality lens to justify their premium price nowadays. The 28mm 1.4 Summilux was amazing when it was announced and the price was justified because no one was able to do it as well as Leica for the 28mm lens in terms of high image quality in a very compact body. Even the Zeiss 28mm F2.8 was not that small for a much slower F2.8 max aperture. Fast-forwarding for almost a decide, Vogitlander/Cosina and these new Chinese companies finally figured it out with patent expirations of the older lens and improved computer software for lens simulation and design. I can't wait for Leica to bring back their A-game. Before they do that, I will stick with these third party lens and older Leica summicrons.
My personal take is Leica has achieved all it can now with the M lenses and in time others will catch up. The latest APO 35 and the older 50 are phenomenal lenses that still have the edge over third party lenses but of course at a premium. The Summilux line is getting close focusing but this is also being done by other companies now. The M will always be the foundation for Leica but in time it will be the SL system that dictates the future I feel
@@btonelli You're right that Leica is probably focusing most of their R&D on the SL system (and possibly the rumored medium format system). This reminds me of the technical video (th-cam.com/video/_vyoAIOTIcs/w-d-xo.html) from Leica showcasing the SL system and the 35mm SL APO lens. They claim that the 35mm SL APO can resolve a full-frame sensor with more than 100MP resolution, which doesn't yet exist for consumers, among other innovations. The Leica M 35mm and 50mm APOs are excellent, using a lot of premium glass materials, which somewhat justifies their high price (I guess this is also true for the 28mm Summilux). I don't own any APO lenses, but I've heard that the Voigtlander APO Lanthar 35mm F2, which I have for my M cameras, has very similar image quality but is larger in size and does not close focusing capabilities.
As I mentioned I’m not much a 28 prime shooter so the focal length if I do invest into it wouldn’t be something as expensive as a leica. But for the 35 yes I would especially as I want the quality but maybe not spend the leica price point now.
@@lifeof_robbie when companies send me products I don’t give praise for the sake of receiving something. I’ve been around long enough to know reputation far exceeds a product worth a few hundred or even a thousand dollars.
I’m sorry but as a commercial/narrative DP DZO Film (their parent company) is a completely unremarkable and un-noteworthy brand. I really don’t think knowing a lens was made by them would have any more impact than knowing it was made by thypoch. Not sure where you got the idea that DZO was an established and trusted cinema brand. They are basically the thypoch of cinema 😂 a cheap, likely great value, lens company that no one has heard of.
Respectfully disagree. They are used here in Asia quite extensively for television and film projects and have a good reputation for quality considering the price point.
@@btonelli well sure, maybe there are some people who know and respet their name in asia, but your whole point about prejudice to asian lens companies kind of implied that you were more talking about american sentiment towards the brand being elevated if people know about the DZOFilm name--to which i can assure you just about no one in the film, tv, and commercial space in LA or any major market shoots on, or even knows about DZOFilm.
@@scon1425 the prejudice I’m talking about are the constant comments I get on any Asian lens I review especially dealing with Leica M mount. As for those that know it, I have spoken to DP’s outside of US and they are familiar with the brand. Would a Hollywood production use them? Prob not with the budgets they have, but smaller productions with limited budget may opt for them.
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Anyone in the comments willing to spill the beans on what cinema lens company makes these?
hahaha
DZOFilm
DZOFilm
I believe it is DZOFilm
DZOFilm. They are a small, unknown brand that has zero cache as he is leading u to believe
wow, a quick google of who the parent company is really HAS given me a lot more confidence in these. I've used those lenses on all sorts of projects and they're top notch! Great review. Really weighing up this vs the voigtlander but I'm leaning this way!
Yeah they make some fantastic lenses! I’m enjoying them a lot
I bought the 28mm last month and have had no regrets. I’m a 28mm photographer and this lens hasn’t left my camera.
Awesome! Great to hear
I’ve been lucky to shoot this lens for a bit and I agree with you about the infinite lock. Here’s hoping they update the M mount lenses as well? Remove the lock and add a focus tab?
I agree. Hope they do that as well
I like your style of videos. Charismatic, nice to listen to, informative, stacked with knowledge... Anyway, in this one photo comparison with Leica, Simera is sharper. That could be affected by different focusing, but just saying as I see. Also, do you have any information about 50mm 1.4 for other mounts, and for simera-c (at this moment available only on e-mount). they are weird with this different mount system, it seems like they did not expect to have this overwhelmingly positive reaction.
@@adinbradic7092 thank you. Yes I’m not sure about the other mount options. I think Thypoch is new enough and versatile enough to see what the market demands and changes quite quickly. I’m sure there will be more mounts coming for the C and 50 lenses in time.
Design is amazing. I actually have a 50mm Summicron Rigid with an infinity lock and love it. I also have a Kern Macro-Switar with the visifocus depth of field markers and love it. The build quality is superb and the image quality is lovely. I used to swear off Chinese lenses, but this one is quality.
Agree. I also have a rigid and don’t mind the infinity lock
I only want the 50mm Eureka collapsible one, in brass. It comes out in October, so. I'll get mine then.
Same. Excited for that one
I originally wanted to get the M Mount for my Zf. After buying the M to Z adapter, I learned they released the Z version 😂
Haha yeah. Now much easier
I'd get the m version so I can switch between my m5 n zf (if I get one)
@@ezekielkokspeaks Yeah, that's probably what I'll do.
These lens do look great, but would dirt/dust not work it's way into the lens via those hole scale markings?
Haven't had that issue with the lenses.
Thanks Bobby
Planning to get one for my Zf. If there are strong benefits for using Z mount on Zf, I don’t mind buy the z mount version even that means I won’t be able to use it on my Leica M body. But does the z mount version have chip? If not, I would just stick with M mount version with a 6-bit M-Z adaptor such as techart or TTartisan, so I will have the green box MF confirmation, object detection, 3D tracking and 3 axial IBIS.
I haven't tried the native Z mount to know if there is a chip or not. My guess is no there isn't.
Unfortunately, the 35 pales significantly in comparison to the 28. Having used both, it's almost like the 35 is a beta project and the 28 is the public release. The 35 is pretty soft wide open and the vignetting makes it almost unusable. Stopped down, it gets better, but my Voigtlander 35mm f/2 is smaller, lighter, and sharper, even wide open as compared to the Thypoch. I'm not sure what happened with the 35, but it's a no-go. The 28 is a really good performer, though, so I know Thypoch has the ability to make a great lens. I'd like to see them do a version 2 of the 35/1.4 for the 35mm shooters out there.
@@MatthewMorse yes agree. The 50 is the best of them I feel. Did a review a few weeks back and walked away impressed
Can't wait for the cine version that has just been announced
Yeah looks promising. Being that their parent company is DZO I’m sure they will be good
@@btonelli basically will be a set of Hugos at 1/20th of the price
Too many choices for 28mm on the Leica. I am quite content with my Zeiss Biogon, TTArtisan F5.6 and the Brightin Star pancake. They are not fast but I dont see the need to go F1.4 for 28mm anyway. I prefer a longer focal length like the 35mm and 50mm for fast glass.
Fair enough. Everyone will have a a preference
Really appreciate that there's new chinese lenses coming out. I'm just not a fan of the design. I know the glass is most important as that's what creates the photos but I don't like the fountain type scale on the lens and not a fan of the infinity lock either.
No prob everyone will have their preference. Thanks for checking out the video
Lecia really need to get back to their game of making high quality lens to justify their premium price nowadays. The 28mm 1.4 Summilux was amazing when it was announced and the price was justified because no one was able to do it as well as Leica for the 28mm lens in terms of high image quality in a very compact body. Even the Zeiss 28mm F2.8 was not that small for a much slower F2.8 max aperture. Fast-forwarding for almost a decide, Vogitlander/Cosina and these new Chinese companies finally figured it out with patent expirations of the older lens and improved computer software for lens simulation and design. I can't wait for Leica to bring back their A-game. Before they do that, I will stick with these third party lens and older Leica summicrons.
My personal take is Leica has achieved all it can now with the M lenses and in time others will catch up. The latest APO 35 and the older 50 are phenomenal lenses that still have the edge over third party lenses but of course at a premium. The Summilux line is getting close focusing but this is also being done by other companies now.
The M will always be the foundation for Leica but in time it will be the SL system that dictates the future I feel
@@btonelli You're right that Leica is probably focusing most of their R&D on the SL system (and possibly the rumored medium format system). This reminds me of the technical video (th-cam.com/video/_vyoAIOTIcs/w-d-xo.html) from Leica showcasing the SL system and the 35mm SL APO lens. They claim that the 35mm SL APO can resolve a full-frame sensor with more than 100MP resolution, which doesn't yet exist for consumers, among other innovations. The Leica M 35mm and 50mm APOs are excellent, using a lot of premium glass materials, which somewhat justifies their high price (I guess this is also true for the 28mm Summilux). I don't own any APO lenses, but I've heard that the Voigtlander APO Lanthar 35mm F2, which I have for my M cameras, has very similar image quality but is larger in size and does not close focusing capabilities.
Nikon zf or panasonic s5iix?
Tough decision. For video S5IIX. For photos and retro styling Zf
@@btonelli pana photos not so good?
@@ezekielkokspeaks pana photos? Both equally as good.
28mm would be a great focal length on an M8 , or maybe even the RD-1.
True
would you buy this if they hadn't sent it to you?
As I mentioned I’m not much a 28 prime shooter so the focal length if I do invest into it wouldn’t be something as expensive as a leica. But for the 35 yes I would especially as I want the quality but maybe not spend the leica price point now.
@@btonelli thank you 🙏
@@lifeof_robbie when companies send me products I don’t give praise for the sake of receiving something. I’ve been around long enough to know reputation far exceeds a product worth a few hundred or even a thousand dollars.
Very nice video. The lens looks very nice on the M3.
Thanks! Works well on the M6 and M7 especially
If only the Z version had electrical contacts so I could use the focus confirmation features. Swing and a miss.
Yes only Voigtlander is doing that currently I believe
I love mine! Haha
The Lumix disclaimer 💀
Haha I guess we need to say that these days
I’m sorry but as a commercial/narrative DP DZO Film (their parent company) is a completely unremarkable and un-noteworthy brand. I really don’t think knowing a lens was made by them would have any more impact than knowing it was made by thypoch. Not sure where you got the idea that DZO was an established and trusted cinema brand. They are basically the thypoch of cinema 😂 a cheap, likely great value, lens company that no one has heard of.
Respectfully disagree. They are used here in Asia quite extensively for television and film projects and have a good reputation for quality considering the price point.
@@btonelli well sure, maybe there are some people who know and respet their name in asia, but your whole point about prejudice to asian lens companies kind of implied that you were more talking about american sentiment towards the brand being elevated if people know about the DZOFilm name--to which i can assure you just about no one in the film, tv, and commercial space in LA or any major market shoots on, or even knows about DZOFilm.
@@scon1425 the prejudice I’m talking about are the constant comments I get on any Asian lens I review especially dealing with Leica M mount.
As for those that know it, I have spoken to DP’s outside of US and they are familiar with the brand. Would a Hollywood production use them? Prob not with the budgets they have, but smaller productions with limited budget may opt for them.
@@btonelli i think thats all fair, im just saying that outside of asia that name would carry marginally more weight than their new brand
@@btonelli anyways i appreciate the discourse and enjoy your channel. looking back my original comment came off rude and a bit arrogant. my bad
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