nah, i remember when flamu says this thing is ugly and useless, everybody says its ugly and useless, now weegee buff the planes everybody is complaining haha
@R4NG3R You laugh now, but there are quite a few carrier submarines such as the I-400 class and the Surcouf, nearly every nation in WWII considered or built them, mainly for spotting purposes though
The icing on the cake is the number of community members saying this is perfectly fine. Even without the planes, it would still be a workable tier 9 BB.
It's the speed that I don't understand. It's got a massive flight deck and a ton of large turrets (so a ton of ammunition). Makes no sense, I demand 5 extra knots on my Yamato xD
It has the highest propulsion horsepower in the game which is 300k HP, which means its power to weight ratio is 4.25HP per ton, second-highest among all T9 bbs and just 0.05 lower than USS Georgia.
I guess the rationale is that carriers back then needed to be able to do 30ish knots to operate planes? Might be wrong tho, don’t quote me on trying to find realism on the paper hybrid carrier version of a paper ship… :/
I like the idea but you’d have to either nerf the cooldown or make the ability a mod on the ship similar to the coal mods to hinder other things if you want this.
The Japanese played around with this idea by removing the rear main guns and replacing them with a short flight deck but it didn't end up making much a difference to the war.
@@taserrrdidn't they covert a Yamato class hull into a carrier, making what some would consider the first super carrier? Only to have it get sunk by a submarine?
If this had been just a 12 16" gun US BB with a good heal, in other words a slightly less poweerful Montana, then I would have gotten it, 'cause I love the high tier US BB's. I loathe CV's so I will never get this. As it stands, it is clearly OP. It will probably be nerfed a little, but still.
Forget full pens. I love demolishing Kearsarges with SAP off my Marco Polo or burn it down with the Conqueror. That huge superstructure eats full HE everywhere you hit it, and it's a bigger target than actual carriers.
Spotting is the strongest and most impactful thing any vessel can do in the game, it hands down wins games by itself even if you do 0 damage. WG always dodges the spotting issue by looking at other things and shifting attention to other stats. WoWS is a vision game and the team that utilises it better than the other wins 100% of the time.
They need to consider implementing lock on mechanic from MWO at this point, where you only broadcast position of a single target you keep locked, not simultaneously translating all the realtime data for all your team
@@camerong.5989 It's definitely true. But to be more precise, it's American Premium bias. Tech tree Americans are practically all fine, but a big number of Premiums are busted.
@@wombat4191 In my opinion most soviet tech line ships are not really that strong too. The two DDs are both decent boats, but they do not have naything going for them which would make them superior to any other. Kremlin is just trash nowadays, it can't hit anything even at close range where it suppose to hit, and the ship moves like a fucking sailboad without wind, huge turning circle makes it hard to dodge anything and you are on fire 0-24. Nevsky is indeed strong and is most likely the best of the russian tech tree. Petro is wierd, it is really tanky but your guns are not good, the ship is like a mini Kremlin with the same ups and downs, but with half of it's HP.
@@wombat4191 dm and Wooster are definitely very strong. And Ohio is technically not premium but is still extremely strong. Also Austin is technically not premium as well but still op.
Was an Iowa with another Iowa against 2 Kearsarges. The enemy team basically had 2 CVs that are able to spot. To say that it was a nightmare is an understatement.
This just proves that the way to win battles is not improving your in-game skills or coming up with new strategies and tactics but to just buy the latest and greatest new shiny ship that is over powered over everything else in the game. Wallet power over brain power.
Yes but no. A ship might be op but it takes a bit of time to get used to it. Trust me I tried cvs and its auful. Potato Players usually give up before learning how to play the ship. Only pro players are the ones who wreck lobbies and there aren’t many of them these days.
We know it's not right, We know it's not funny, but We'll stop beating this dead horse When it stops spitting out money But until then, We will release stuff _- WeeGee_
Try playing a DD at long range in smoke against one of these. Rounds that would normally pen a superstructure now bounce on the armored flight deck. Balanced.
did they nerf this ship? It's not nearly as simple to hit ships with the planes as in this video - and I am struggling to do damage with the guns. Yes the HE is good, but doesn't seem as good as shown here.
@@Ibuki01 "guns are weak"?! what are you on? this thing is an absolute monster. You can ignore the planes and play only guns and deal devastating hits. The secondaries are shit - yes she has more than other T9 american BBs but they don't have the accuracy or range to make them good.
@@mrboatface4023 In my admittedly limited experience, K's guns don't deliver. I actually feel the same way about NC, and Iowa. Colorado I like, Vermont I like, (and Montana,) but not the other ships.
I played a game while watching this vid. Thanks for the tips. I got 4 kills. spotted DDs and Subs for my team. Won the game easy. T9 Montana with unlimited Bearcats!
Kearsarge was formed out of a joint Soviet-American exploration of a concept for a 406mm gun-equipped battleships the Soviets ordered, so naturally the Soviet inheritance would make this blyat at least somewhat high powered.
We complain about OP aircraft carriers so what does WG do? They turn BB's into more CV's. Yeah now we got fire spammers everywhere, God tier subs, OP CV's and now BB's that are really CV's.. If one of the major gaming companies would build a detailed Battleship game that was good I'd be gone from WoW in a minute.
Also it has 5 Bearcats with 3 Tiny Tims. That are 15 Rockets launched while a single strike group from the midway only has 3 Bearcats with 3 Tiny Tims. So tier 9 BB has a better strike group than a Tier 10 Carrier
I've seen a few of these in game and they are utterly devastating to DDs. I took a broadside of these in my Kit the other day and it ate up 75% of my HP. Unreal.
Jumped back into the game after a few weeks off and ran into this ship on my first game, running in a DD. It was crazy how much they were able to keep people spotted with no real way to fight back. I had them come after me directly once and even with an American cruiser next to me he still managed to get through and dump a ton of damage (due to the fact that they went invincible once in the attack run). The two biggest issues is that the planes do a ton of damage, get the invincible attack run, and even if we have a lot of AA it doesn't matter since they never run out of planes. These ships need to have a limited number of planes, or at least a system similar to a CV for rearming. Removing spotting would be awesome as well. Imagine having a enemy CV pushing/doing damage, a sub pinging, and this ship running planes at you in a BB? All they can do is huddle together and hide at the edge of map. They don't have enough utility to combat it all. On top of this is the fact that this overpowered gimick is pure pay-to-win, there is no way to get anything even close on a non-cv coal/research/tech tree ship.
"It's just _unbelievable_ that this is allowed." I have about the same sentiment about submarines (negatively) and Superships (neutrally), as well as the upcoming "HB" line for the USN (positively). Is it Hybrid BB or HB? Can I use HB?
I really don't mind it that much tbh... I seem to have no issues wrecking them, maybe because all my main ships have fairly good AA so the rocket planes don't bother me all that much. Idk
There was a post on the Steam forum about a DIVISION OF THREE Kearsarges + CV on one team while the other had only 1 of each. The moderator insulted the OP repeatedly and then locked the thread to prevent any further discussion.
@@pegasus.0308 They will do as they did to Thunderer and Stalin: First pretend that they will solve the issue by removing it - thereby get people to spend money to race to get it, and then nerf it when they think the market has been milked dry, so they can more easily push out OP premiums in the future and get all those nobs who bought one of those to have to race for "the next big thing". Don't spend money on that game. They won't keep their word.
the true most broken part of the ship is that because it's a rocket planes they stick around long enough for you to get a Salvo off from your own spoting Should have been a t10 bb all and all T10 levels of brodside T10 levels of HP T10 squad with an extra 2 planes It's effectively immune to he spam from most dds due to the 38mm flight deck protecting the superstructure...
The Kearsarge was a purpose built Battleship-Aircraft Carrier hybrid, while the other hybrids where altered after they had been built. So the Kearsarge is really well planned out overpowered abomination of a Warship.
PQ, I think you're underestimating how much most players struggle with NC guns. I'm going to guess that it will be fine according to the spreadsheet, so probably no nerfs.
Of course, the reason nothing like this existed in reality is it takes away some of the strengths of both a battleship and a carrier for the sake of putting more aircraft in the air. It creates a massive fire hazard in the middle of a battleship and kills a lot of the speed and concealment of an aircraft carrier. I'm not saying it couldn't work but the few real examples of hybrid battleship carriers then Japanse played with didn't end up making much of a, if any, difference to the war.
Gotta love Sealord Mountbatton to give wg props for this thing, call it well balanced and a little weak and judge the spotting as weak cause you don't shoot in that time
WG: "If a ship has a powerful generator, a large fuel tank, heavy armor and stocked with every possible weapon: long range guns, torpedo tubes, and a fleet of planes. . . then such a ship isn't likely to stay afloat" Also WG: releases this monstrosity
You didn't know. They took out fires stopping launching and recovering aircraft. Also just saying on that issue a high caliber hit on a flight deck even armored let alone a wooden one definitely puts a hole in the flight deck that you can't launch planes with.
As much as I DO NOT want to see any more strike-aircraft-carrying ships introduced, I'd love to see a German flugzeugkreuzer and/or flugdeckkreuzer introduced. They were to ship all of their main gun turrets forward, either 203mm, 283mm and even 380mm; if my memory isn't complete shite. 🤪😂 Just a good childhood memory; reading and dreaming of these incredible hybrid ships. CVs with larger caliber turrets! What more could a kid want?👍🏻🏴
Terrible idea, so starting eith the guns they are meant for medium to short range which means if your a dd it's going to suck. So now long range yes it's a single flight of aircraft but in a game that has become saturated with carrier hybrids all around the same tiers there's so much air spam that all it takes is one round of aircraft to finish off a ship. Which btw these are he rockets so dds are now stuck with that. Also 7 127mm guns on each side as twin turrets that makes it Montana level secondary 127mm battery firepower
Let's see: 36 second reload on NC guns at T9, without NC's 2.01 sigma or favorable gun angles; a massive flight deck covered in 19mm of armor; no access to Iowa's improved heal or Georgia's fast recharging one; a single flight of Tiny Tims with no rocket booster that also have to cut through T9-10 AA...
Let's see: twelve 16in guns with better performance, damage and reload time than Minnesota OR Hizen, at Tier IX. Unlimited spotting ability with said flight of planes. More HP than Minnesota. Better sigma than Minnesota (1.9 to 1.8). 30 knots BASE top speed.
So what if it eats more damage from the superstructure Just think of it like German supertructure only it's immune to he spam due to it having 38mm flight deck sheild to shatter dds And those planes have no issues attacking t10 ships Even if you lose 2 planes it's still a Midway rocket strike worth
So, I just got enough coal and steel to theoretically buy the Kearsarge. Should I be dumb and buy her or better invest in, let's say, a Marceau? Or another coal or even steel ship?
According to WoWs Stats and Numbers, the Tone has a 53.18% win rate. That puts it in 7th place of all T8 cruisers. The number of games that is based on is over 35k. Getting to the point that we may not see a large move down with that number. I'd say that a ship having planes like this gives that ship a significant advantage. But is that not what it was like in real life?
so Its got a ton of utility and rocket dmg Hard hitting guns And its concealment is decent But It turns like a turd Its squishy af (as the flight deck count as casemate armor so basically can't saturate) And the guns aren't very comfortable to use Looks like a high skill high reward ship
Those are T6 guns, so calling this thing T9 Montana doesn't cut it. They can't penetrate through Kremlin's side armor into citadel at 12-13km for instance. BBs with 400mm plating can gamer turn in front of this abomination and calculate 20-25k loss at max, which is unprecedented to do against a 12 gun high tier BB. Tier 8 French 380mm has higher pen than these WV1941/Colorado shells. This ship would be OK in normal ship form, with this hangar/Tiny Tim abomination it's just way too much. The problem is that it looks really, really attractive for battleship players that know what they're doing...frankly the hangar armour weakness would be justified even if planes just spotted and had no damage output. Who wouldn't want to buy a BB for coal, that has consistent gunnery, usable hull and can spot for itself, not to mention combos like HE and rocket strike for guaranteed DCP followup, harassing pursuing DDs with permaspot, putting enemy BBs in position where they pick whether they angle to shells or rockets... Disgusting ship, and my next coal purchase.
I was looking at getting either French or British specialized captains then I saw this for coal. I got it. Though I believe WG will nerf it in some manner, I'm happy to play a US ship that is in this current state. Along with my Ohio I final obtained too.
Can't kill this thing worth a damn in Georgia before it wipes me off the face of the Earth, so I guess this is the new top coal ship. Well done WarGaming.
This is sad. How many different styles of hybrids can they make. French tried hybrid of a cruiser and submarine. For this game it will be a super cruiser submarines. Then we can add hydrofoil DDs that go over 100 knots. The tier X of the Kearsarge involved replacing the 127s with six worchester turrets (3 per ship) and 14x2 76.2 mm aa guns with DFAA
Honestly, as a DD player, this video hurts. I mean thank you for showing how wrong all this hybrid BB thing is for the game, wargaming is actually just killing their own game. At least make it fair and limit the number of planes instead of unlimited reload. You could also make them easier to shoot down, getting spotted for even 2 seconds is already such an inbalance, especially for DDs, no more element of surprise, there goes the tactics. When CV and hybrid BB players on both teams know what they're doing, it's acceptable, but when one aircraft-capable ship isn't played at its fullest, there is too much of an imbalance : one team gets spotted at all times, the other is blind. Might as well have spies aboard ships at this point. So here's what's gonna happen eventually, matchmaking will be 9 BBs and 3 aircraft-capable ships on each team, no more CAs, no more DDs, no more tactics. If anything threatens those broken ships, they're just gonna flee at 30knts to A1, spotting anything getting close. I hope players will realize how this will eventually break the game and its community. Sorry for the salt
Even a CV has to assess the danger of losing planes, while this hybrids just spam them and are immune to fighters and get bonuses against damage because they are only 1 attack set.
This ship highlights almost every reason (-submarines) why I left this game last year. I am actually surprised I stayed with the game as long as I did in retrospect. WeeGee is nothing but an object lesson on how to sabotage your primary product, while seeing how many people will still stick around given enough marketing.
how about a random battle mode without dd's so people can actually push and brawl for once without the coddled class with massive damage reduction 1 shotting you
None of you utube guys seems too feel the same. Lots say it’s shit you say it’s a game breaker. Other guys say it’s way to op. So it must be just perfect. Not to op not too shitty.
another Ship they'll have to ban from every competitive Gameplay cause "it's too strong with a reduced number of Player". What they seem to forget is the fact that these Ships spiral out of control in Randoms aswell. Sure, it starts with 12vs12. But after a few minutes Teams are most-likely on a CB lvl of Player...
all the new ships with their "special tricks" is all about selling the newest OP must have ship to players. BUT, this is why all the new ships come with the warning that it may be nerfed in the future. it's amazing how many players keep buying these ships knowing WG will nerf them in the future and then the ship sits in port and they go out and buy the new OP ship again.
In real life ships had advantages And disadvantages I wish they would stick to that instead of buffing things to make it even. I think it would create players to think more strategy like them to make everything even. It would make the game more interesting
PQ...."this ship is so OP and game breaking it is disgusting"
"I'm going to be playing this ship quite a bit because carrying battles is fun"
"This boat is CANCER!", next video: "be entertained as you watch me embrace being cancer"
Two months later...WG nerfs $150 dollar ship after ppl buy it bc it's op
nah, i remember when flamu says this thing is ugly and useless, everybody says its ugly and useless, now weegee buff the planes everybody is complaining haha
@@28cucbn Thats pretty much what WG does. Once everyone has the ship and interest is going down. They nerf it. See Thunderer and Stalingrad.
If you can't beat the cancer, become the cancer.
I’m looking forward to a premium BB which has planes and the ability to drop a submarine at the behind enemies.
@IGnicknames IJN Submarine should have kaiten torpedo, drived by the player. 4 ammo for 4 istakill XD
@R4NG3R WOULD YOU STOP GIVING WG IDEAS
@R4NG3R You laugh now, but there are quite a few carrier submarines such as the I-400 class and the Surcouf, nearly every nation in WWII considered or built them, mainly for spotting purposes though
Why drop torps when you can just drop a whole submarine lol
i'm looking for a carrier that could submerge with a speed of 35 knots and launch more submarines behind the enemy lines
The icing on the cake is the number of community members saying this is perfectly fine. Even without the planes, it would still be a workable tier 9 BB.
That's because this ship is OP right now. Any advantage and players trip all over themselves to crack that wallet open.
You have a remember two things about "community members" as you out it; they are selfish, and most importantly, stupid
I would literally take a T9 Montana class bb over this thing
It is not russian therefore it is fine.
@@freetolook3727 you know you can get it for free right? it's coal as well
next update is gonna be the I-400 with 15 plane squads
And surcouf but with less squadrons
It's the speed that I don't understand. It's got a massive flight deck and a ton of large turrets (so a ton of ammunition). Makes no sense, I demand 5 extra knots on my Yamato xD
It's so fast because it's so long. Only the GK is longer. It's length to beam ratio is crazy.
yamato is fat, thats why its slow, more water resistance
It has the highest propulsion horsepower in the game which is 300k HP, which means its power to weight ratio is 4.25HP per ton, second-highest among all T9 bbs and just 0.05 lower than USS Georgia.
I guess the rationale is that carriers back then needed to be able to do 30ish knots to operate planes? Might be wrong tho, don’t quote me on trying to find realism on the paper hybrid carrier version of a paper ship… :/
@@federicopasotti3231 carriers could always launch stationary
All BBs should have their own spotting aircraft which can hover on an area and spot targets and subs.
No we get the useless spotter plane that hovers in the wrong direction. We should indeed be able to send it to a specific area and not die instantly
I've been thinking about this as well. I like the idea
I like the idea but you’d have to either nerf the cooldown or make the ability a mod on the ship similar to the coal mods to hinder other things if you want this.
Maybe any BB that has a catapult, such as the tier 7+ German battleships.
Who knew in order to make a functional battleship it has to also be a cv?
The Japanese played around with this idea by removing the rear main guns and replacing them with a short flight deck but it didn't end up making much a difference to the war.
@@177SCmaro The japanese had so many issues by the end of the war it wasn't going to get solved by converting a few bbs.
@@taserrr
True.
@@taserrrdidn't they covert a Yamato class hull into a carrier, making what some would consider the first super carrier? Only to have it get sunk by a submarine?
If this had been just a 12 16" gun US BB with a good heal, in other words a slightly less poweerful Montana, then I would have gotten it, 'cause I love the high tier US BB's. I loathe CV's so I will never get this. As it stands, it is clearly OP. It will probably be nerfed a little, but still.
As if the game wasn't nauseating enough lately. Sweet.
Brühühühühü 😤
Imagine sitting in T8 NCarolina matching into THIS. Damn thats so balanced
Just what the game needed more Planes well done WG!.
Forget full pens. I love demolishing Kearsarges with SAP off my Marco Polo or burn it down with the Conqueror. That huge superstructure eats full HE everywhere you hit it, and it's a bigger target than actual carriers.
Spotting is the strongest and most impactful thing any vessel can do in the game, it hands down wins games by itself even if you do 0 damage. WG always dodges the spotting issue by looking at other things and shifting attention to other stats. WoWS is a vision game and the team that utilises it better than the other wins 100% of the time.
Exactly. Spotting dodges the usual metrics, because other ships do damage based on your spotting. This can hide just how broken the mechanic is.
They need to consider implementing lock on mechanic from MWO at this point, where you only broadcast position of a single target you keep
locked, not simultaneously translating all the realtime data for all your team
This is a great ship for PQ to start training for when he inevitably becomes a CV main
According to formal CC logic it is not soviet so it can't be OP, (Kitakaze laughs in distance)
I am starting to hint that th Russian server is on to something American bias might actually be true
@@camerong.5989 It's definitely true. But to be more precise, it's American Premium bias. Tech tree Americans are practically all fine, but a big number of Premiums are busted.
@@wombat4191 In my opinion most soviet tech line ships are not really that strong too. The two DDs are both decent boats, but they do not have naything going for them which would make them superior to any other. Kremlin is just trash nowadays, it can't hit anything even at close range where it suppose to hit, and the ship moves like a fucking sailboad without wind, huge turning circle makes it hard to dodge anything and you are on fire 0-24. Nevsky is indeed strong and is most likely the best of the russian tech tree. Petro is wierd, it is really tanky but your guns are not good, the ship is like a mini Kremlin with the same ups and downs, but with half of it's HP.
@@Legendendear I have both ships and I would chose Hindenburg over Petro every single time
@@wombat4191 dm and Wooster are definitely very strong. And Ohio is technically not premium but is still extremely strong. Also Austin is technically not premium as well but still op.
I found myself playing as a NC alot of the time with the guns and dispersion. But I find this thing to look absolutely badass.
Was an Iowa with another Iowa against 2 Kearsarges. The enemy team basically had 2 CVs that are able to spot. To say that it was a nightmare is an understatement.
This just proves that the way to win battles is not improving your in-game skills or coming up with new strategies and tactics but to just buy the latest and greatest new shiny ship that is over powered over everything else in the game.
Wallet power over brain power.
Yes but no. A ship might be op but it takes a bit of time to get used to it. Trust me I tried cvs and its auful.
Potato Players usually give up before learning how to play the ship.
Only pro players are the ones who wreck lobbies and there aren’t many of them these days.
The amount of 55% WR players in ships like 2020 zao. Skill will always play a larger factor in WOWs than the ship tbh.
You can get it for free with coal. So anybody can get it. But I see your point.
it's a free ship for coal.
So not really.
The game is very much not pay to win. If it were, I'd win more.
We know it's not right,
We know it's not funny, but
We'll stop beating this dead horse
When it stops spitting out money
But until then,
We will release stuff
_- WeeGee_
Potato Quality: A CV that can spot for itself, you can't do that.
Wargaming: I can do that cause I just did.
Try playing a DD at long range in smoke against one of these. Rounds that would normally pen a superstructure now bounce on the armored flight deck. Balanced.
Malding because you can't pen a BB
HE spam , nice skill
3 years ago when I launched my first BB spotter plane, I asked in ingame match if I can direct my spotter...
Well, now I can!!!
Shovel knight, eh? Great game.
Keeping the 4 turrets is straightup criminal.
honestly, I was sceptic about this ship, but You've raised a good point. Spotting for myself. Great video!
did they nerf this ship? It's not nearly as simple to hit ships with the planes as in this video - and I am struggling to do damage with the guns. Yes the HE is good, but doesn't seem as good as shown here.
Ise & Tone, real ships = Balanced, maybe even too weak
Paper/Fantasy ship = Brokenly op and ignores physics
Good job once again WG.
Yeah... Not believing the vid poster so far.
Guns are weak, planes borderline useless, only thing I like about it is the secondaries.
Kearsarge is based on a real design and is not made up by Wargaming. At least get your facts right.
@@Ibuki01 "guns are weak"?! what are you on? this thing is an absolute monster. You can ignore the planes and play only guns and deal devastating hits. The secondaries are shit - yes she has more than other T9 american BBs but they don't have the accuracy or range to make them good.
@@mrboatface4023 In my admittedly limited experience, K's guns don't deliver. I actually feel the same way about NC, and Iowa. Colorado I like, Vermont I like, (and Montana,) but not the other ships.
I played a game while watching this vid. Thanks for the tips. I got 4 kills. spotted DDs and Subs for my team. Won the game easy. T9 Montana with unlimited Bearcats!
Just traded my Friesland for this ship n paid a difference of 1.5k dubs n i dont regret it. i got everything that destroyer can do n more besides ASW.
Kearsarge was formed out of a joint Soviet-American exploration of a concept for a 406mm gun-equipped battleships the Soviets ordered, so naturally the Soviet inheritance would make this blyat at least somewhat high powered.
so good... means it's another premium that will be nerfed as soon as ppl start complaining... not buying till it's on sale... or ever
have they ever nerfed a premium?
@@AverageWannabe Thundrer, FDR.. And more
@@muhatsy2455 those are tier 10, thats different
We complain about OP aircraft carriers so what does WG do? They turn BB's into more CV's. Yeah now we got fire spammers everywhere, God tier subs, OP CV's and now BB's that are really CV's.. If one of the major gaming companies would build a detailed Battleship game that was good I'd be gone from WoW in a minute.
Also it has 5 Bearcats with 3 Tiny Tims. That are 15 Rockets launched while a single strike group from the midway only has 3 Bearcats with 3 Tiny Tims. So tier 9 BB has a better strike group than a Tier 10 Carrier
I've seen a few of these in game and they are utterly devastating to DDs. I took a broadside of these in my Kit the other day and it ate up 75% of my HP. Unreal.
@IGnicknames exept when its on saturated french dd
Jumped back into the game after a few weeks off and ran into this ship on my first game, running in a DD. It was crazy how much they were able to keep people spotted with no real way to fight back. I had them come after me directly once and even with an American cruiser next to me he still managed to get through and dump a ton of damage (due to the fact that they went invincible once in the attack run).
The two biggest issues is that the planes do a ton of damage, get the invincible attack run, and even if we have a lot of AA it doesn't matter since they never run out of planes. These ships need to have a limited number of planes, or at least a system similar to a CV for rearming. Removing spotting would be awesome as well.
Imagine having a enemy CV pushing/doing damage, a sub pinging, and this ship running planes at you in a BB? All they can do is huddle together and hide at the edge of map. They don't have enough utility to combat it all.
On top of this is the fact that this overpowered gimick is pure pay-to-win, there is no way to get anything even close on a non-cv coal/research/tech tree ship.
Well it is for coal so you can choose to get it the real way still.
Also the American's are getting a tech tree hybrid line. It is in early access rn
"It's just _unbelievable_ that this is allowed."
I have about the same sentiment about submarines (negatively) and Superships (neutrally), as well as the upcoming "HB" line for the USN (positively). Is it Hybrid BB or HB? Can I use HB?
the flight deck is also technically auxiliary rooms or whatever so it doesnt saturate nearly as fast of superstructure
18:57 That Jutland turned in to pass the Paolo, he's dead already. Going to eat a torpedo.
19:15 Yep. :)
Personal question, do you still have the early few days of kearsarge replay with 160k avg? Really want to watch it pls
Hey, how did you get the Measure 22 on your Kearsarge? Looks beautiful!
@1:40 Don't worry, the flight deck will get buffed in a future patch.
I really don't mind it that much tbh... I seem to have no issues wrecking them, maybe because all my main ships have fairly good AA so the rocket planes don't bother me all that much. Idk
There was a post on the Steam forum about a DIVISION OF THREE Kearsarges + CV on one team while the other had only 1 of each. The moderator insulted the OP repeatedly and then locked the thread to prevent any further discussion.
Yeah, I wouldn't get it right now, it will most likely get some nerfs.
Either nerf or they will remove it in Armory
@@pegasus.0308 They will do as they did to Thunderer and Stalin: First pretend that they will solve the issue by removing it - thereby get people to spend money to race to get it, and then nerf it when they think the market has been milked dry, so they can more easily push out OP premiums in the future and get all those nobs who bought one of those to have to race for "the next big thing".
Don't spend money on that game. They won't keep their word.
the true most broken part of the ship is that because it's a rocket planes they stick around long enough for you to get a Salvo off from your own spoting
Should have been a t10 bb all and all
T10 levels of brodside
T10 levels of HP
T10 squad with an extra 2 planes
It's effectively immune to he spam from most dds due to the 38mm flight deck protecting the superstructure...
First time I saw it, I thought a carrier got glitched together with a BB and I lold
Great video, really enjoyed it!
The Kearsarge was a purpose built Battleship-Aircraft Carrier hybrid, while the other hybrids where altered after they had been built. So the Kearsarge is really well planned out overpowered abomination of a Warship.
Strong HE, strong AP, great accuracy, long range. Its a T9 Thunderer, with planes, that does its own spotting. Well done WG, well done indeed
PQ, I think you're underestimating how much most players struggle with NC guns. I'm going to guess that it will be fine according to the spreadsheet, so probably no nerfs.
Is it just in the replay or why does he aim higher than the ship with the rockets?
replay bug
Potato, please LMK what to buy now for coal or it is better to wait for new ships? Thx!
It could be the most OP ship in the game and I'm still never going to buy it, so ugly.
You can tell this game is pushing it's life cycle more and more
Of course, the reason nothing like this existed in reality is it takes away some of the strengths of both a battleship and a carrier for the sake of putting more aircraft in the air. It creates a massive fire hazard in the middle of a battleship and kills a lot of the speed and concealment of an aircraft carrier. I'm not saying it couldn't work but the few real examples of hybrid battleship carriers then Japanse played with didn't end up making much of a, if any, difference to the war.
Gotta love Sealord Mountbatton to give wg props for this thing, call it well balanced and a little weak and judge the spotting as weak cause you don't shoot in that time
Ise: entered the chat
Kearsage: you dare challenge me?
WG: "If a ship has a powerful generator, a large fuel tank, heavy armor and stocked with every possible weapon: long range guns, torpedo tubes, and a fleet of planes. . . then such a ship isn't likely to stay afloat"
Also WG: releases this monstrosity
Which one should i get as my first coal ship? ive got 4 tech tree tier tens
kearsarge,Marcu,F sherman?
14:25, did you just take off the planes with a fire in the middle of your deck. Lmao why is this game so permissive with planes
Used to be fires stopped plane launches, in RTS CV days... alas
World of Warplanes. Oh and some ships aka targets.
what ok, so thats ok now
You didn't know. They took out fires stopping launching and recovering aircraft. Also just saying on that issue a high caliber hit on a flight deck even armored let alone a wooden one definitely puts a hole in the flight deck that you can't launch planes with.
Minnesota:
Slower speed, 12x406mm Lolorado guns, no special plane gimmmick, weaker heal -> 40 second reload
Kearsarge:
Faster speed, 12x406mm NC guns + planes that can spot -> 34 second reload
Balans
Would you be more okay with the planes if you had a fixed amount of planes and with limited fuel?
Kearsarge is a fun ship, broken, but very relaxing to play.
But I agree, the planes need to be toned down a bit. Maybe the health too.
DDs would beg to differ on these things being "fun", especially getting matchmaked against two of them at T9. I guess they can just play BBs instead.
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt Fun to play, not against.
Genuinely Sarge was the most relaxing experience I had in WOWS in a long time, even if I sucked hard ass.
As much as I DO NOT want to see any more strike-aircraft-carrying ships introduced, I'd love to see a German flugzeugkreuzer and/or flugdeckkreuzer introduced.
They were to ship all of their main gun turrets forward, either 203mm, 283mm and even 380mm; if my memory isn't complete shite. 🤪😂 Just a good childhood memory; reading and dreaming of these incredible hybrid ships. CVs with larger caliber turrets! What more could a kid want?👍🏻🏴
Terrible idea, so starting eith the guns they are meant for medium to short range which means if your a dd it's going to suck. So now long range yes it's a single flight of aircraft but in a game that has become saturated with carrier hybrids all around the same tiers there's so much air spam that all it takes is one round of aircraft to finish off a ship. Which btw these are he rockets so dds are now stuck with that. Also 7 127mm guns on each side as twin turrets that makes it Montana level secondary 127mm battery firepower
Saw potato player with Kearsarge, they were literally running into the border of the map and missed every shot.
The ships good. I bet it will be taken off the market in not to long and be one of the more rare ships in the game
Let's see: 36 second reload on NC guns at T9, without NC's 2.01 sigma or favorable gun angles; a massive flight deck covered in 19mm of armor; no access to Iowa's improved heal or Georgia's fast recharging one; a single flight of Tiny Tims with no rocket booster that also have to cut through T9-10 AA...
Let's see: twelve 16in guns with better performance, damage and reload time than Minnesota OR Hizen, at Tier IX. Unlimited spotting ability with said flight of planes. More HP than Minnesota. Better sigma than Minnesota (1.9 to 1.8). 30 knots BASE top speed.
So what if it eats more damage from the superstructure
Just think of it like German supertructure only it's immune to he spam due to it having 38mm flight deck sheild to shatter dds
And those planes have no issues attacking t10 ships
Even if you lose 2 planes it's still a Midway rocket strike worth
And actually yes, the flight deck is NOT 19mm, it is 38mm. So it can bounce even Yamato shells
So, I just got enough coal and steel to theoretically buy the Kearsarge. Should I be dumb and buy her or better invest in, let's say, a Marceau? Or another coal or even steel ship?
Why would you spend both coal and steel on a coal ship?
Having nightmares of grief squads, 3 teammates loading up in Kearsarge, devastating entire flanks.
According to WoWs Stats and Numbers, the Tone has a 53.18% win rate. That puts it in 7th place of all T8 cruisers. The number of games that is based on is over 35k. Getting to the point that we may not see a large move down with that number. I'd say that a ship having planes like this gives that ship a significant advantage. But is that not what it was like in real life?
What?
so
Its got a ton of utility and rocket dmg
Hard hitting guns
And its concealment is decent
But
It turns like a turd
Its squishy af (as the flight deck count as casemate armor so basically can't saturate)
And the guns aren't very comfortable to use
Looks like a high skill high reward ship
Those are T6 guns, so calling this thing T9 Montana doesn't cut it. They can't penetrate through Kremlin's side armor into citadel at 12-13km for instance. BBs with 400mm plating can gamer turn in front of this abomination and calculate 20-25k loss at max, which is unprecedented to do against a 12 gun high tier BB. Tier 8 French 380mm has higher pen than these WV1941/Colorado shells.
This ship would be OK in normal ship form, with this hangar/Tiny Tim abomination it's just way too much. The problem is that it looks really, really attractive for battleship players that know what they're doing...frankly the hangar armour weakness would be justified even if planes just spotted and had no damage output. Who wouldn't want to buy a BB for coal, that has consistent gunnery, usable hull and can spot for itself, not to mention combos like HE and rocket strike for guaranteed DCP followup, harassing pursuing DDs with permaspot, putting enemy BBs in position where they pick whether they angle to shells or rockets...
Disgusting ship, and my next coal purchase.
The ship is not op at all times, but when you play it right at some good situations, thats where your team will dominate, and you can as well.
I was looking at getting either French or British specialized captains then I saw this for coal. I got it. Though I believe WG will nerf it in some manner, I'm happy to play a US ship that is in this current state. Along with my Ohio I final obtained too.
Ok. Which should I get? This? Napoli? Or Immelmann?
Honestly i thought it would have been better if the gimmick had been the ability to deploy a fighter squadron anywhere on the map.
I won a Kearsarge in a Black Friday container. I have only used it a couple of times because I can't get used to the planes.
Battleship main getting drunk off finally playing a ship that actually has utility.
QP, i am farming free XP, is agir a good choice?
Thinking that she is stronger than azuma...so going to agir!
Can't kill this thing worth a damn in Georgia before it wipes me off the face of the Earth, so I guess this is the new top coal ship. Well done WarGaming.
How long before the historical Japanese carrier subs enter the game? I-13 and I-400 classes.
This is sad. How many different styles of hybrids can they make. French tried hybrid of a cruiser and submarine. For this game it will be a super cruiser submarines. Then we can add hydrofoil DDs that go over 100 knots. The tier X of the Kearsarge involved replacing the 127s with six worchester turrets (3 per ship) and 14x2 76.2 mm aa guns with DFAA
Honestly, as a DD player, this video hurts.
I mean thank you for showing how wrong all this hybrid BB thing is for the game, wargaming is actually just killing their own game. At least make it fair and limit the number of planes instead of unlimited reload. You could also make them easier to shoot down, getting spotted for even 2 seconds is already such an inbalance, especially for DDs, no more element of surprise, there goes the tactics.
When CV and hybrid BB players on both teams know what they're doing, it's acceptable, but when one aircraft-capable ship isn't played at its fullest, there is too much of an imbalance : one team gets spotted at all times, the other is blind. Might as well have spies aboard ships at this point.
So here's what's gonna happen eventually, matchmaking will be 9 BBs and 3 aircraft-capable ships on each team, no more CAs, no more DDs, no more tactics. If anything threatens those broken ships, they're just gonna flee at 30knts to A1, spotting anything getting close.
I hope players will realize how this will eventually break the game and its community.
Sorry for the salt
Even a CV has to assess the danger of losing planes, while this hybrids just spam them and are immune to fighters and get bonuses against damage because they are only 1 attack set.
This ship highlights almost every reason (-submarines) why I left this game last year. I am actually surprised I stayed with the game as long as I did in retrospect. WeeGee is nothing but an object lesson on how to sabotage your primary product, while seeing how many people will still stick around given enough marketing.
Bye bye 😀
WeeGee time?
Time to equip Bbs with Harpoon missiles , sounds about right
Would you get a t 10 coal ships or this ship?
I would have brought it if you could launch fighter planes
There needs to be a Random battle mode that excludes CVs, subs and hybrids.
sounds good, I'd even take longer queue times for that one.
how about a random battle mode without dd's so people can actually push and brawl for once without the coddled class with massive damage reduction 1 shotting you
No joke, I used my coal to buy this ship after watching this video. This ship is insane
None of you utube guys seems too feel the same. Lots say it’s shit you say it’s a game breaker. Other guys say it’s way to op. So it must be just perfect. Not to op not too shitty.
12:21 ok ppl, you know that the Judgement Day is comming, when you hear PQ being so hyped while saing this 😱
another Ship they'll have to ban from every competitive Gameplay cause "it's too strong with a reduced number of Player". What they seem to forget is the fact that these Ships spiral out of control in Randoms aswell. Sure, it starts with 12vs12. But after a few minutes Teams are most-likely on a CB lvl of Player...
i miss the , dd sinks bb, bb sinks ca, ca sinks dd.
You're not the only one brother.
Now it's a doubloon ship sinks RB ship. RB ship sinks coal ship. Coal ship sinks.
OP brick in testing is OP in live battles, who would've known
This is going to destroy tier 9 clan battles if those ever come back
I don't know if even a mother could say this thing is pretty!😅
What it is however, is pretty busted! Like tier 9 Montana with rocketplanes-busted!😬
all the new ships with their "special tricks" is all about selling the newest OP must have ship to players. BUT, this is why all the new ships come with the warning that it may be nerfed in the future. it's amazing how many players keep buying these ships knowing WG will nerf them in the future and then the ship sits in port and they go out and buy the new OP ship again.
In real life ships had advantages And disadvantages I wish they would stick to that instead of buffing things to make it even. I think it would create players to think more strategy like them to make everything even. It would make the game more interesting