6:40 if history cannot be objective and will always include the bias of the historian, it is then very important for right wing historians to be appointed to balance out the left+congress bias of the past 70 years
Well, now that we've social media, right wingers are digging deep into grey areas. Congress fed communist historian which worked for Political correctness and not on the ground of objectivity and truth.
Mohnish Desai muhammad was a historical personality from 571 AD well attested not some imaginative hindu deity. dont you understand facts over emotions
Suhel Mullick Even Ram was a well attested figure in Indian History and the dates are recorded in the celestial calendar. You may say what you want that doesnt make it true....If Ram was a fictional figure we would have celebrated Diwali (Rams win over evil) at any day , but Diwali does not come everyday my friend , it has a date !!
What is Hindutva? India as a Nation was not born on August 15 1947, India is a continuing civilization with a Milleniea old Continuity more than a few thousand years lived civilizational experience. The primary philosophical thought of India was all inclusive, all accepting, it was never exclusivist and most importantly it never negated the existence of any other philosophical, Spiritual or Religious thought. However when the philosophies of this land came in contact with Semitic Religions, which inherently are exclusivist, Which inherently exclusivist are conflicting, predatory and proselytising there needed to be a response by a non exclusive, inclusive faith which can be called Common wealth of Hindu Spiritual traditions, to therefore respond to the agression, predation and proselytising attempts made by Abrahamic faiths which came to Indian soil, A response was made by Hindus at that time, and that in later context was called Hindutva. *If Hinduism is the potential inclusivity of the common wealth of indigenous thought, Then Hindutva can be a kinetic effect, which primarily is to defend the Hindu philosophy, culture against Abrahmic-Semitic faiths which is not primarily inclusive, predatory and proselytising* Hindutva by nature cannot be aggressive.Because the very response of Hindutva emanated to be defensive. Hindutva is a intellectual, political, socio response of the Hindus to prevent itself and themselves against aggression. Therefore Hindutva cannot be dominating, because Hinduism is a victim of Aggression. Hindutva by its very nature cannot be agressive, because the very response to Hindutva emanated to be defensive. Unless we examine and scrutinize the Abrahmic semitic faiths which by their very nature are proselytising & predatory & which by their very nature go the extent of negating other faiths as false faiths, then we must ask questions, should Hindus, should not come up with Intellectual, Political - Socio response to preserve and perpetuate the long lasting way of life. We can't accept the false equivalences drawn between two entities. 1. "La ilah illa Allah" "There is no God but Allah " 2. "Jai Shree Raam" "Victory to Raam" "La ilah illa Allah" is a negation of the existence of my God, However we won't negate other belief systems. Sir Sayyed Ahmed Khan in 1926, Hindus and Muslims are different Nations. "It is a Shame to both the Hindus & Muslamaans that the Hindus should have to run away from their homes as they have done, it is the shame for the Muslims because it is out of the fear of the Muslims that the Hindus have to run away from their homes, why Should a Human being inspire fear on other Human, My own experience but confirms the opinion that the Musalmaan as a rule is a bully and the Hindu as a rule is a coward" Mahatma Gandhi after Noakhali Massacre. Writing Thoughts on Pakistan - Dr. B.R.Ambedkar. The Hindus and the Hindutva leaders whose primary ideology is defensive reaction towards aggression have been put in witness box as perpetrators of aggression. That has to change for always and for good times to come, we must be asking questions to those followers and leaders of Abrahamic faiths and we must put them to the same kind of scrutiny as put to the Hindu leaders. Does not your Religion at the very fundamental belief believe in dividing the World between believers and non believers? Is that not exclusivist? Unless we have intellectual strength to ask these fundamental questions we will be continuing to draw false equivalences and we will be treating the symptoms and not the disease itself. PS : As long as proselytising Religions continue their existence as as Proselytising Religions Hindutva should be there to protect itself and not just protect itself but also protect the values that the Hindu society has perpetually held as sacred & sacrosanct & those values are in consonance to the modern secular values that Indian constitution so dearly upholds.....
Romila Thappar's integrity? A woman who refused to accept Somnath Temple was destroyed by Mohammed Gizni, in-spite of Al-Baruni's details, her integrity can only be compared to that of Goebbels who felt that Russian actions in East Prussia was barbarism, but totally ignored mass murders committed by Germans in Russia.
viharamonastry Dont talk bullshit as usual. I have. Give me which book, section, and page number. Be precise. Don't be a useless conspiracy theorist that I know you are.
Agreed that the history of science and technology taught is entirely Eurocentric. India's mathematicians, scientists and astronomers need to be brought out of the historical closet. However, it must also be mentioned as part of India's history that our mathematicians, scientists and astronomers were condemned by Hindu Religion. Even while they explained Solar and Lunar eclipses scientifically, Brahmagupta and Varahamihira were forced to accept "Rahu-Ketu" nonsense. This was similar to the way the Church condemned Galileo, Copernicus and Giordano Bruno.
@@debjyotimandal4927Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya was an Indian Marxist philosopher. He made contributions to the exploration of the materialist current in ancient Indian philosophy. One of his Notable ideas is Irreligiosity of Early Vedism He is known for Lokayata: A Study in Ancient Indian Materialism, which is his exposition of the philosophy of Lokayata. He is also known for work on history of science and scientific method in ancient India, especially his 1977 book Science and Society in Ancient India on the ancient physicians Charaka and Sushruta. He was awarded the Padma Bhushan, in 1998. U. R. Ananthamurthy was awarded as Padma Vibhushan the same year, so you know the kind of people who were awarded the Padmas that year. Mr. Mandal, this is unsubstantiated Marxist lies by Mr. Chattopadhyaya that you seem to be taking as the Gospel Truth.
@debjyotimandal4927 Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya was an Indian Marxist philosopher. He made contributions to the exploration of the materialist current in ancient Indian philosophy. One of his Notable ideas is Irreligiosity of Early Vedism He is known for Lokayata: A Study in Ancient Indian Materialism, which is his exposition of the philosophy of Lokayata. He is also known for work on history of science and scientific method in ancient India, especially his 1977 book Science and Society in Ancient India on the ancient physicians Charaka and Sushruta. He was awarded the Padma Bhushan, in 1998. U. R. Ananthamurthy was awarded as Padma Vibhushan the same year, so you know the kind of people who were awarded the Padmas that year. Mr. Mandal, this is unsubstantiated Marxist lies by Mr. Chattopadhyaya that you seem to be taking as the Gospel Truth.
I think the panel should be balanced. Since you have a historian from one side, you should have invited a historian/ or any history researcher who has contrary views. Politicians will not be able to counter academic historians in all aspects. It should first be discussed what is correct historically and accurate, rather than engaging in trivial debate of Hindutva vs Secularism, safronization etc. For this we need historians from all viewpoints sitting and debating with a neutral moderator.
Irfan Habib 2 Hain ek medieval history ke and aur ek moderate history ke. Yahan pe Jo Hain he is a centrist. And medieval history wale Jo Hain wo Marxist Hain. Don't be confused.
@@itachisensei3306 irfan habib 2 nahi hai ek irfan habib aur dusra S irfan habib hai aur sirf irfan habib marxist hai aur S irfan habib koi moderate historian nahi valki modern historian jo ki communist se bahut hadh tak juda huwa hai aur un ki toh ek kitab bhi hai:Ideology and Programme of Bhagat Singh and His Comrades jaha pe wo comrades ko praise karta hai aur bhagat singh ko ek comrade aur communist bata dete hai jab ki bhagat singh ne officialy wo kabhi nahi kaha tha aur ram chandra guha toh ek fake communist historian hai jo ki historian jabardasti ban gaya aur in ndtv walo na bana liya
Yogendra Yadav says, "BJP does not find people with good credentials" These people said same things about Modi. Only Indian leader who can stand shoulder to shoulder and sit as equal and work to resolve the Doklam and other issues. Meanwhile, wow Sabin Patra and Mr Rakesh are amazing. But, problem is their accent is not Lutyen therefore they are discounted
Some brilliant myths taught by congress 1. Muslims ruled for 1000 years, while delhi sultanat and mughal empire, including their decline and ruke in a few states and last 150 years only in delhi under marathas equal to 630 years 2. We are taught about tipu chutiya, but not about marathas whi ruled from tamil nadu to kashmir, bengal to gujrat and to peshawar in North West 3. Nehru and gandhi got us independent, lol then why was it 2 years after getting bombed by Nazis, 4. Calling indira gandhi an iron lady who was the most currupt politician/dictator the world has ever seen 5. Erasing the genocide of hindus and humilliation of islamic army by Marathas rajput sikhs and jatts in revolts
@@fayazsultan6745 If you got hurt coz you "think" you're decendants of those foreign muslims, you, my friend are delusional. You're a convert most probably and you should be critical about the barbaric nature of islam back then.
Lol we are taught about both Tipu sultan and Marathas . Well Tipu Sultan was an anti hindu ruler but also we are not taught how peshwas were casteist .
We need our story, not his story. History can't be left, right or secular. Accurate chronicle of events and social circumstances should be written. Irfan Habib always bends history to suit his left ideologies.
This Guha could not make his statements without indicating his affiliation to any political party. He is clearly patronizing the party which is king of scams.
+rajorshi sen he has criticised party indicated by you .he is an historian best now on present affairs.He analyses and opposes central govt action in appointment to ICHR. we should have independent person for the chair. the govt is trying saffronise these important institutions
People have voted the BJP who is NDTV and congress and others to decide on education of the children. I have serious objection in Irfan Habib harming the history with lies as he has done in the past.
BJP can have a say in history or science , then why should not creationist theory as opposed to Darwinism should not taught in the West , We don't know whether Ram , Krisna even existed . How could these be part of history
Muslims are not Mughals , they are Indians anyone can convert to Islam just like AR Rahaman -the music director did , I assume he is destroying Indian Culture . if you hate Muslims , stop marrying them when they are powerful , while murdering them when they are weak. Only bullies do that . How come Taj Mahal destroyed your culture. Also stop wearing Salwar Kamiz , I assume that also destroyed your culture
why western cloths ??? Polygamy is practiced in your religion too . How many wives did Khrisna have apart from having affair with Radha ??? Animals are not innocent , they are part of the food chain . Why don't start a war with west after they also eat cows . You are attacking the muslims because you think they are weak . Hinduism actually had human sacrifice especially for Goddess Durga . Well Quaran gave women right to property , divorce etc when the in the West it was initiated in the end of the 19th century . Most muslims countries don't have triple talak not even Saudi Arabia . And men in Suadi Arabai cant marry women because they are so expensive -women put what they want in the contract - their walis /guardian ensure that they do .
That is right , I am speaking like this . Polygamy was banned in India because of western influence . Most muslim countries don't fall under western influence that easily . But Muslim countries don't allow man to have more than one wife before asking the permission of the first wife. , Most muslim men don't have more than one wife because they cant afford it . . Women are not easily available in muslim countries . They were more un available in the past before the westernization Yes , I am a muslim woman . I am highly educated , I have a job also my have my own home . It is perfectly legal under the law
What happens in India is your problem . Muslims seem to be poor in India too . Triple talak and Kulla are banned in all muslim countries including Saudi Arabia and Iran because it is not Quranic and was not practiced during Prophet Muhammad's time
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GUHA DECLARES HIMSELF AS GREAT HISTORIAN. HAHAHA. WHAT A LOW LEVE PEOPLE ARE FAVORITES OF NDTV.
Ram guha says Marxist were not governed by ideal but have intellectual enquiry which is very funny.....ans a simple thing why they are called Marxist ?
Mr. Trivedi's response around 22nd minute clearly expresses the agenda "rewriting of history to promote nationalism". After this any discussion is futile.I am a secular person. However, unfortunately secularism in India in 2018 is not an accepted form of governance. Some secular historians are in tough spot. Ideally they should be able to tell a muslim ruler was barbaric and we would still support "secular India" . But they fear is that allegiance to secularism is not guaranteed. So they are also guilty at times to overlook muslim atrocities for greater good sort of "end justifies the means" . Sad state of affairs.
Secular history has been denial of archaeological evidence in favor of secular narratives. If thats the history you want, i suggest you petition changing the national motto from "satyameva jayate" to "secularism jayate" . Personally i have no intention of suggesting "hindutva jayate" as a national motto, and am quite comfortable and adamant that the current motto be applied in all aspects of social importance to the fullest.
though out the whole debate, I was amazed by the decent talk from RSS and BJP . atleast NDTVs debate program still has journalistic credentials left compared to others and others should take lessons from these.
I don't know why do they bring BJP/Rss spokespersons in such intellectual and high quality debate. It's just a mockery of intelligence. To every question, they have just 1 answer, that is Nationalism (they're clearly not nationalist )
Perfect Mr Guha. Let the independence come in most of Indian Institutions be that ICHR ( Indian Council of Historical Research) or anything else like election commision, CAG, CBI etc. Let the tradition of independence become so strong, that the govt of the day may not demolish that independence. Why should one play politics with the brains of little children like they do in Pakistan. India should not become some kind of 'anti' ideology( like left or right like Hindutva) or some kind of 'anti' country( e.g. Pakistan). After all, we want to see flourishing of Independent mind and not a skewed narrow minded Indian in our next generation . Parties come & go but institution remain & they should not be changing with the change of party.
I never understood till today that why these lumpens like Sudhanshu and Rakesh sinha are invited in the panel if it is the debate on History? Are they historian? No never. So the panelists must be from the area of the study on which the discussion is targeted. Media Chanels must think on it. To agree or disagree with them is then next thing.
IN THE LIGHT OF BEEF EATING IN ANCIENT INDIA WAS AN ACCOMPLISHED FACT WHERE RISHI YAGNAVALKYA HIMSELF PRESCRIBED CONSUMPTION OF BEEF IN HIS YAGNAVALKYASMRITI. ALCOHOLIC DRINKS LIKE SOMA AND SURA WERE ALSO VERY POPULAR AS STATED IN VARIOUS EPICS. SO, SHUDHANGSHU 'ORTHODOX' TRIVEDI, YOU BETTER GO AND STUDY HINDU SCRIPTURES.
Irfan Habib is left/Marxist, couple of others are rightists. These are partisan people. You should bring honest non-partisan people like Guha, Sanjeev Sanyal, Mr Rajeev Malhotra and many more scholars
that's how people get appointment in big posts n mny n foreign recognition. nothing new.see how British anthropologist corrupted varna system to caste by relating it with race.
I like that the History of India should be written by Indians and not by some foreigners, or foreign thinking people in India. The idea of 'saffronization' of education in India is good! Why not?
So not being either from the Marxist or Hindutva school means being objective or neutral historian!!! Bravo !! you should audit some historical method courses at JNU, no wonder many JNUwalas call you Chetan Bhagat of social science.
Dange was British agent. Hahaha. Next thing he'd probably say is Golwalkar got India its independence. These BJP/Sangh guys are funny going on scary. Given that they are running the government now. Guha makes so much sense.
Why what the Hondus did in the past is not "history" but past & therefore irrelavant? Why must OUR HISTORY begin whenever who ever finds it to their advantage?
Irfan Habibs is a bad news, bad historian and Sarah Jacobsare consigned to past. Time to move on. Young people are gradually discounted. When Sudhanshu gave solid evidence and arguments. Irfan/Sarah gloss over
Ramachandra Guha is not an historian by any standard and certainly not competent person to speak about Hindu History. He is at best a lazy cricket writer. Don't waste time taking his interview.
Jana the Rangoon pahunch Gaye Chin samajh Gaye na. Baat ho rahi hai RSS me kitte padhe likhe hain BJP me kite sakhchhar hai beta rahe hain Bharat kit na gauravshali Desi the. Legge raho.
But the proud hindutva BJP Government's Gujarat model produced gujarati fraudsters who looted the banks! Great achievement.. Anyhow no global Historians always look hindutva polluted mind set of Indian Historians.
Rakesh Sinha always comes with faults of others done in past.... and justify RSS/BJP action to rewrite the history by proving (without scholars' works) Ramayana and Mahabharata as HISTORY of India...... What Macaule and Marxist Historian did wrong in past..... selectively or genuinely....could be questioned on academic and scholars ground......and can be corrected through scholars work......... but How can Rakesh Sinha and his organizations RSS /BJP/Hindutva brigade come to use these as excuse to claim for including Ramayana and Mahabharata as HISTORY TEXT..... This is pattern of their propaganda of RSS and its trained people ...... that by arguing on mistakes of their opponents for denigrate them to DISLODGE something meaningful but not suiting them and then try to play victim card to legitimize or force their AGENDA.... for example RSSand BJP are on war-footing to criticize Congress as psedo secular...... but what they offered as alternate HINDU RASHTRA which is nothing but a THEOCRATIC RULE in India...... .... Rather than offering alternate to make secularism stronger in India which congress could not have done that extent.... But they are not interested in that.....because they have their agenda of HINDU THEOCRACY in India..... One more point to note is that HINDU is nothing but BRAHAMANISM ....so they are working to establish BRAHAMANICAL THEOCRACY in INDIA in the name of HINDU....
NDTV should also have searched what noted archeologist Dr KK Mohammed who was also a part of Babri Masjid excavation team has said about Dr. Irfan Habib. After listening to him one can definitely say that Dr Habib is a prejudiced and untrustworthy person.
Romila Thappar's integrity? A woman who refused to accept Somnath Temple was destroyed by Mohammed Gizni, in-spite of Al-Baruni's details, her integrity can only be compared to that of Goebbels who felt that Russian actions in East Prussia was barbarism, but totally ignored mass murders committed by Germans in Russia.
Thaper etc from JNU are not Marxists but followers of the British-Pakistani historians. Ram Guha does not know the history of india as written by Karl Marx or the Soviet historians.
@PakMan Go watch her video where she's whining about that persian script which clearly screams about how Muslims vandalized Temple but she was crying for small little differences LOL. When the sense was very much clear that islamist in that age had fun looting India, dismantling idols, why tf thapar has to lie about this by whining about how one idol is hanging or where idol was pierced.. Height of hypocrisy
6:40 if history cannot be objective and will always include the bias of the historian, it is then very important for right wing historians to be appointed to balance out the left+congress bias of the past 70 years
Well, now that we've social media, right wingers are digging deep into grey areas. Congress fed communist historian which worked for Political correctness and not on the ground of objectivity and truth.
@Sabrina Shahab Well Ram and Krishna never existed but Prophet who spilt the moon in half and who rode on a winged horse existed!!!
+Mohnish Desai yes he he did exist there is proof, but indra who flew on 12000 wing garuda never existed
Suhel Mullick Same logic back to you, nothing more to say, everyone's belief to himself! enjoy
Mohnish Desai muhammad was a historical personality from 571 AD well attested not some imaginative hindu deity. dont you understand facts over emotions
Suhel Mullick Even Ram was a well attested figure in Indian History and the dates are recorded in the celestial calendar. You may say what you want that doesnt make it true....If Ram was a fictional figure we would have celebrated Diwali (Rams win over evil) at any day , but Diwali does not come everyday my friend , it has a date !!
Suhel Mullick But mohammad is a pedophile as well....that is also recorded.
Hahaha , He called himself Best Historian, height of narcissism
Where
What is Hindutva?
India as a Nation was not born on August 15 1947, India is a continuing civilization with a Milleniea old Continuity more than a few thousand years lived civilizational experience.
The primary philosophical thought of India was all inclusive, all accepting, it was never exclusivist and most importantly it never negated the existence of any other philosophical, Spiritual or Religious thought.
However when the philosophies of this land came in contact with Semitic Religions, which inherently are exclusivist,
Which inherently exclusivist are conflicting, predatory and proselytising there needed to be a response by a non exclusive, inclusive faith which can be called Common wealth of Hindu Spiritual traditions, to therefore respond to the agression, predation and proselytising attempts made by Abrahamic faiths which came to Indian soil, A response was made by Hindus at that time, and that in later context was called Hindutva.
*If Hinduism is the potential inclusivity of the common wealth of indigenous thought,
Then Hindutva can be a kinetic effect, which primarily is to defend the Hindu philosophy, culture against Abrahmic-Semitic faiths which is not primarily inclusive, predatory and proselytising*
Hindutva by nature cannot be aggressive.Because the very response of Hindutva emanated to be defensive.
Hindutva is a intellectual, political, socio response of the Hindus to prevent itself and themselves against aggression. Therefore Hindutva cannot be dominating, because Hinduism is a victim of Aggression.
Hindutva by its very nature cannot be agressive, because the very response to Hindutva emanated to be defensive.
Unless we examine and scrutinize the Abrahmic semitic faiths which by their very nature are proselytising & predatory & which by their very nature go the extent of negating other faiths as false faiths, then we must ask questions, should Hindus, should not come up with Intellectual, Political - Socio response to preserve and perpetuate the long lasting way of life.
We can't accept
the false equivalences drawn between two entities.
1. "La ilah illa Allah"
"There is no God but Allah "
2. "Jai Shree Raam"
"Victory to Raam"
"La ilah illa Allah" is a negation of the existence of my God, However we won't negate other belief systems.
Sir Sayyed Ahmed Khan in 1926, Hindus and Muslims are different Nations.
"It is a Shame to both the Hindus & Muslamaans that the Hindus should have to run away from their homes as they have done, it is the shame for the Muslims because it is out of the fear of the Muslims that the Hindus have to run away from their homes, why Should a Human being inspire fear on other Human, My own experience but confirms the opinion that the Musalmaan as a rule is a bully and the Hindu as a rule is a coward" Mahatma Gandhi after Noakhali Massacre.
Writing Thoughts on Pakistan - Dr. B.R.Ambedkar.
The Hindus and the Hindutva leaders whose primary ideology is defensive reaction towards aggression have been put in witness box as perpetrators of aggression. That has to change for always and for good times to come, we must be asking questions to those followers and leaders of Abrahamic faiths and we must put them to the same kind of scrutiny as put to the Hindu leaders. Does not your Religion at the very fundamental belief believe in dividing the World between believers and non believers? Is that not exclusivist? Unless we have intellectual strength to ask these fundamental questions we will be continuing to draw false equivalences and we will be treating the symptoms and not the disease itself.
PS : As long as proselytising Religions continue their existence as as Proselytising Religions Hindutva should be there to protect itself and not just protect itself but also protect the values that the Hindu society has perpetually held as sacred & sacrosanct & those values are in consonance to the modern secular values that Indian constitution so dearly upholds.....
thanks for writing this.
You guys wrote history with colonial mindset and according to their evidence now your life work are at stake so you guys are crying
As opposed to writing history based on gut feeling, myths and fable?
Ill stick to actual professors thanks
@@MegaSmokez1 Marxist historians and hindutva historians are wastes
Romila Thappar's integrity?
A woman who refused to accept Somnath Temple was destroyed by Mohammed Gizni, in-spite of Al-Baruni's details, her integrity can only be compared to that of Goebbels who felt that Russian actions in East Prussia was barbarism, but totally ignored mass murders committed by Germans in Russia.
Please show me where she has said that Somnath was not destroyed by Ghazni
TheMaskwa
Please read her book.
viharamonastry Dont talk bullshit as usual. I have. Give me which book, section, and page number. Be precise. Don't be a useless conspiracy theorist that I know you are.
TheMaskwa
Search Teesta and romila thapar. 3 week old video
viharamonastry Why dont you provide the link here and tell me where she says that?
Agreed that the history of science and technology taught is entirely Eurocentric. India's mathematicians, scientists and astronomers need to be brought out of the historical closet.
However, it must also be mentioned as part of India's history that our mathematicians, scientists and astronomers were condemned by Hindu Religion. Even while they explained Solar and Lunar eclipses scientifically, Brahmagupta and Varahamihira were forced to accept "Rahu-Ketu" nonsense. This was similar to the way the Church condemned Galileo, Copernicus and Giordano Bruno.
@Anubhav Kesarwani who is barking here?
Viswa Ghosh Can you please cite the source of your information?
@@TheKaushal28 "Science and Society in Ancient India"-Debiprasad Chatterjee
@@debjyotimandal4927Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya was an Indian Marxist philosopher. He made contributions to the exploration of the materialist current in ancient Indian philosophy. One of his Notable ideas is Irreligiosity of Early Vedism
He is known for Lokayata: A Study in Ancient Indian Materialism, which is his exposition of the philosophy of Lokayata. He is also known for work on history of science and scientific method in ancient India, especially his 1977 book Science and Society in Ancient India on the ancient physicians Charaka and Sushruta. He was awarded the Padma Bhushan, in 1998. U. R. Ananthamurthy was awarded as Padma Vibhushan the same year, so you know the kind of people who were awarded the Padmas that year.
Mr. Mandal, this is unsubstantiated Marxist lies by Mr. Chattopadhyaya that you seem to be taking as the Gospel Truth.
@debjyotimandal4927 Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya was an Indian Marxist philosopher. He made contributions to the exploration of the materialist current in ancient Indian philosophy. One of his Notable ideas is Irreligiosity of Early Vedism
He is known for Lokayata: A Study in Ancient Indian Materialism, which is his exposition of the philosophy of Lokayata. He is also known for work on history of science and scientific method in ancient India, especially his 1977 book Science and Society in Ancient India on the ancient physicians Charaka and Sushruta. He was awarded the Padma Bhushan, in 1998. U. R. Ananthamurthy was awarded as Padma Vibhushan the same year, so you know the kind of people who were awarded the Padmas that year.
Mr. Mandal, this is unsubstantiated Marxist lies by Mr. Chattopadhyaya that you seem to be taking as the Gospel Truth.
I think the panel should be balanced. Since you have a historian from one side, you should have invited a historian/ or any history researcher who has contrary views. Politicians will not be able to counter academic historians in all aspects. It should first be discussed what is correct historically and accurate, rather than engaging in trivial debate of Hindutva vs Secularism, safronization etc.
For this we need historians from all viewpoints sitting and debating with a neutral moderator.
Dhyan se dekho pro. Sinha ko RSS ideology ka tag diya hai aur Irfan habib jo ki markswadi hai ko ek historian likha hai...
Wah ndtv tu great hai.....
Irfan Habib 2 Hain ek medieval history ke and aur ek moderate history ke. Yahan pe Jo Hain he is a centrist. And medieval history wale Jo Hain wo Marxist Hain. Don't be confused.
@@itachisensei3306 irfan habib 2 nahi hai ek irfan habib aur dusra S irfan habib hai aur sirf irfan habib marxist hai aur S irfan habib koi moderate historian nahi valki modern historian jo ki communist se bahut hadh tak juda huwa hai aur un ki toh ek kitab bhi hai:Ideology and Programme of Bhagat Singh and His Comrades jaha pe wo comrades ko praise karta hai aur bhagat singh ko ek comrade aur communist bata dete hai jab ki bhagat singh ne officialy wo kabhi nahi kaha tha aur ram chandra guha toh ek fake communist historian hai jo ki historian jabardasti ban gaya aur in ndtv walo na bana liya
@@itachisensei3306 I'm yet not sure, any of these habibs are any different. Both have islamic communist leaning.
How come this guha is a historian, what is his specialisation 🤔
His PhD was on the Chipko movement... But he has also worked on Sports History, Elvin Varrier, and Gandhi
Yogendra Yadav says, "BJP does not find people with good credentials" These people said same things about Modi. Only Indian leader who can stand shoulder to shoulder and sit as equal and work to resolve the Doklam and other issues. Meanwhile, wow Sabin Patra and Mr Rakesh are amazing. But, problem is their accent is not Lutyen therefore they are discounted
"prominent historians like Romilla Thapa" LOL
Some brilliant myths taught by congress
1. Muslims ruled for 1000 years, while delhi sultanat and mughal empire, including their decline and ruke in a few states and last 150 years only in delhi under marathas equal to 630 years
2. We are taught about tipu chutiya, but not about marathas whi ruled from tamil nadu to kashmir, bengal to gujrat and to peshawar in North West
3. Nehru and gandhi got us independent, lol then why was it 2 years after getting bombed by Nazis,
4. Calling indira gandhi an iron lady who was the most currupt politician/dictator the world has ever seen
5. Erasing the genocide of hindus and humilliation of islamic army by Marathas rajput sikhs and jatts in revolts
Bhai pehlay spelling to theekh likho phir RSS ka gyan bantana.
@@fayazsultan6745 spelling chod..pehle uska points ko refute karna .. chutiya tipu
@@fayazsultan6745 If you got hurt coz you "think" you're decendants of those foreign muslims, you, my friend are delusional. You're a convert most probably and you should be critical about the barbaric nature of islam back then.
Lol we are taught about both Tipu sultan and Marathas . Well Tipu Sultan was an anti hindu ruler but also we are not taught how peshwas were casteist .
@@rash6821 exactly
We need our story, not his story. History can't be left, right or secular. Accurate chronicle of events and social circumstances should be written. Irfan Habib always bends history to suit his left ideologies.
Ram Guha "Correct SECULAR scientific history" - how come history becomes secular ???
This Guha could not make his statements without indicating his affiliation to any political party. He is clearly patronizing the party which is king of scams.
+rajorshi sen he has criticised party indicated by you .he is an historian best now on present affairs.He analyses and opposes central govt action in appointment to ICHR.
we should have independent person for the chair. the govt is trying saffronise these important institutions
Historian more like Distorian
People have voted the BJP who is NDTV and congress and others to decide on education of the children. I have serious objection in Irfan Habib harming the history with lies as he has done in the past.
BJP can have a say in history or science , then why should not creationist theory as opposed to Darwinism should not taught in the West , We don't know whether Ram , Krisna even existed . How could these be part of history
Stop talking like the Nazis , There is no Mughal in India now . Also instead of breaking down the Babri Masjhid , break down the Taj Mahal .
Muslims are not Mughals , they are Indians anyone can convert to Islam just like AR Rahaman -the music director did , I assume he is destroying Indian Culture . if you hate Muslims , stop marrying them when they are powerful , while murdering them when they are weak. Only bullies do that . How come Taj Mahal destroyed your culture. Also stop wearing Salwar Kamiz , I assume that also destroyed your culture
why western cloths ??? Polygamy is practiced in your religion too . How many wives did Khrisna have apart from having affair with Radha ??? Animals are not innocent , they are part of the food chain . Why don't start a war with west after they also eat cows . You are attacking the muslims because you think they are weak . Hinduism actually had human sacrifice especially for Goddess Durga . Well Quaran gave women right to property , divorce etc when the in the West it was initiated in the end of the 19th century . Most muslims countries don't have triple talak not even Saudi Arabia . And men in Suadi Arabai cant marry women because they are so expensive -women put what they want in the contract - their walis /guardian ensure that they do .
That is right , I am speaking like this . Polygamy was banned in India because of western influence . Most muslim countries don't fall under western influence that easily . But Muslim countries don't allow man to have more than one wife before asking the permission of the first wife. , Most muslim men don't have more than one wife because they cant afford it . . Women are not easily available in muslim countries . They were more un available in the past before the westernization
Yes , I am a muslim woman . I am highly educated , I have a job also my have my own home . It is perfectly legal under the law
What happens in India is your problem . Muslims seem to be poor in India too . Triple talak and Kulla are banned in all muslim countries including Saudi Arabia and Iran because it is not Quranic and was not practiced during Prophet Muhammad's time
GUHA DECLARES HIMSELF AS GREAT HISTORIAN. HAHAHA. WHAT A LOW LEVE PEOPLE ARE FAVORITES OF NDTV.
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RAMACHANDRA GUHA and IRFAN HABIB , Do they believe in ISLAM and Christianity ? Let us debate .
Ram guha says Marxist were not governed by ideal but have intellectual enquiry which is very funny.....ans a simple thing why they are called Marxist ?
Mr. Trivedi's response around 22nd minute clearly expresses the agenda "rewriting of history to promote nationalism". After this any discussion is futile.I am a secular person. However, unfortunately secularism in India in 2018 is not an accepted form of governance. Some secular historians are in tough spot. Ideally they should be able to tell a muslim ruler was barbaric and we would still support "secular India" . But they fear is that allegiance to secularism is not guaranteed. So they are also guilty at times to overlook muslim atrocities for greater good sort of "end justifies the means" . Sad state of affairs.
Secular history has been denial of archaeological evidence in favor of secular narratives. If thats the history you want, i suggest you petition changing the national motto from "satyameva jayate" to "secularism jayate" . Personally i have no intention of suggesting "hindutva jayate" as a national motto, and am quite comfortable and adamant that the current motto be applied in all aspects of social importance to the fullest.
In the west crux of the history is society development, production and communal harmony but in India it's more politics and communalism.
3:20 NDTV ka bouncer aur Guha ka sixer👍👍👍
How come ndtv come up with these important debates buring the rule of BJP. When congress & Marxist historians were in power NDTV was silent.
Sambavami yuge yuge 🚩🚩🚩🔥
though out the whole debate, I was amazed by the decent talk from RSS and BJP . atleast NDTVs debate program still has journalistic credentials left compared to others and others should take lessons from these.
why prominent Irfan Habib Debate this type of Both Bihari.
I don't know why do they bring BJP/Rss spokespersons in such intellectual and high quality debate. It's just a mockery of intelligence.
To every question, they have just 1 answer, that is Nationalism (they're clearly not nationalist )
jaa na bengali bhen ke lode
Perfect Mr Guha. Let the independence come in most of Indian Institutions be that ICHR
( Indian Council of Historical Research) or anything else like election commision, CAG, CBI etc. Let the tradition of independence become so strong, that the govt of the day may not demolish that independence. Why should one play politics with the brains of little children like they do in Pakistan. India should not become some kind of 'anti' ideology( like left or right like Hindutva) or some kind of 'anti' country( e.g. Pakistan). After all, we want to see flourishing of Independent mind and not a skewed narrow minded Indian in our next generation . Parties come & go but institution remain & they should not be changing with the change of party.
Feeling ashamed that we read the book written by these liers
why the hell would you cut the video halfway you sadists!
I never understood till today that why these lumpens like Sudhanshu and Rakesh sinha are invited in the panel if it is the debate on History?
Are they historian? No never. So the panelists must be from the area of the study on which the discussion is targeted. Media Chanels must think on it. To agree or disagree with them is then next thing.
Once upon a time, these bluddy historian are in the committee of Congress, now the time will change.
Hé is even ziek like NDTv
IN THE LIGHT OF BEEF EATING IN ANCIENT INDIA WAS AN ACCOMPLISHED FACT WHERE RISHI YAGNAVALKYA HIMSELF PRESCRIBED CONSUMPTION OF BEEF IN HIS YAGNAVALKYASMRITI. ALCOHOLIC DRINKS LIKE SOMA AND SURA WERE ALSO VERY POPULAR AS STATED IN VARIOUS EPICS. SO, SHUDHANGSHU 'ORTHODOX' TRIVEDI, YOU BETTER GO AND STUDY HINDU SCRIPTURES.
Irfan Habib is left/Marxist, couple of others are rightists. These are partisan people. You should bring honest non-partisan people like Guha, Sanjeev Sanyal, Mr Rajeev Malhotra and many more scholars
Why this debate now,when history has been changed so many times.
that's how people get appointment in big posts n mny n foreign recognition. nothing new.see how British anthropologist corrupted varna system to caste by relating it with race.
I like that the History of India should be written by Indians and not by some foreigners, or foreign thinking people in India. The idea of 'saffronization' of education in India is good! Why not?
Rositter in her Ph.D. thesis at the University of Texas proved that the historians of JNU, Aligarh, Delhi universities repeat Pakistani history books
Can you kindly give the full name of the scholar . I wish to look into it.
I searched with this name "Rositter " but could not find.
NURUL HASSAN A BLATANT ISLAMIST HAS BEEN PLACED IN THERE TO COVER UP ISLAMIC BARBARISM AND THEIR LOOT, MURDER AND RAPE CARRIED OUT IN INDIA.
So not being either from the Marxist or Hindutva school means being objective or neutral historian!!! Bravo !! you should audit some historical method courses at JNU, no wonder many JNUwalas call you Chetan Bhagat of social science.
the best historian in india is r.c. majumdar.
No doubt about it. He was dismissed from office by pm Jawaharlal Nehru for not following his line of history
Marxist, Secular and hindutva historians are a curse to our academic field
Dange was British agent. Hahaha. Next thing he'd probably say is Golwalkar got India its independence.
These BJP/Sangh guys are funny going on scary. Given that they are running the government now.
Guha makes so much sense.
Rakesh Bihari Should Leave the debate Only Weeping .
An unworthy journalism !!!
Why what the Hondus did in the past is not "history" but past & therefore irrelavant? Why must OUR HISTORY begin whenever who ever finds it to their advantage?
Ram Goha: "Hindutva just a myth and dogma."
Best comment.
Islam is a biggest myth on this earth
'थोथा चना बाजे घना', 'empty vessels makes more noises' 💐🌈🙏
More I see Ram Guyana, more I think he is reasonable
Then you don't know what a real reasoning is and lack insight.
Which neither Marxist nor Hindutva historians is he referringto?
The islamist ones who people like zakir naik rely on
Irfan Habibs is a bad news, bad historian and Sarah Jacobsare consigned to past. Time to move on. Young people are gradually discounted. When Sudhanshu gave solid evidence and arguments. Irfan/Sarah gloss over
Then who funds Prof
Guha.on what basis is Hinduism is dogma or myth.. Romila , Habib are congenital liars
How many Irfan hahbibs ?
BJP’s problem is that they don’t have scholars amongst their ranks. Only Charlestons like that Subramanian chap or whatever his name is.
Just remove the name of nehru, Indira, Rajiv in every fuking building, street, university in India.
If they want we can name bathrooms that way.
Nidhi Razdan - Have you ever read Indian history during yr school or college days ?
left historician and islamists are the same...
Why at all Rakesh Sinha n BJP keep attending such lousi panel discussions of NDTV when the anchor chooses to ignore them over other panelists......
Nidhi is fascinated with irfaan habeeb
Ramachandra Guha is not an historian by any standard and certainly not competent person to speak about Hindu History. He is at best a lazy cricket writer. Don't waste time taking his interview.
I am teaching at हार्वर्ड
Singhvi does not know anything. Why he is here? Irfan Habib is left and u ask him about Left's follies?
What the.... F***. Hindutva is not merely a myht , that's much more than that
Nidhi Rajdhan looks like a Nun in my school
Dr.Rakesh Sinha savage
Omg! Dogma and myths? Where did this ignoramus get his education? In NDTV university?
I am from Village nagla chand
Ram Guha is good. I had misunderstood him in the past
Now is Modi forma second time
God bless Irfan Habib & Amu
i think is not oké 😅😅😅😅
Jana the Rangoon pahunch Gaye Chin samajh Gaye na. Baat ho rahi hai RSS me kitte padhe likhe hain BJP me kite sakhchhar hai beta rahe hain Bharat kit na gauravshali Desi the. Legge raho.
I meant Ram Guha
Guha himself is leftist
Nidhi Abdulla Shildan! Tujhe kitne bar kutti bolne se tun bandi bonegi?
N d t v radical islamic terrorrsit tv in baharat dangerous
Leftisto ke likhe hui history book jala de jaye, real history true history likhe jaye
Ndtv will give a chance any Modi Baiter
Wah starting me hi leftist ki leli sir Apne......
Ram guha tu to apna naam badal, tu to khud marxist leftist hai
hats off ram chandra guha
this guy is talking BS
0:7 "it's rather interesting ". Isko to English bhi nahi aati.
sudhanshu trivedi has effectively demolished BJPs point... he is just chattering nonsense
Why she doesnt invite people like Sanjeev Sanyal, Rajiv Malhotra and Shashi Tharoor?
Only hindulization
But the proud hindutva BJP Government's Gujarat model produced gujarati fraudsters who looted the banks! Great achievement..
Anyhow no global Historians always look hindutva polluted mind set of Indian Historians.
Romila Thapar ! Hahahaha
All that drama over ayodhya !
Rakesh Sinha always comes with faults of others done in past.... and justify RSS/BJP action to rewrite the history by proving (without scholars' works) Ramayana and Mahabharata as HISTORY of India......
What Macaule and Marxist Historian did wrong in past..... selectively or genuinely....could be questioned on academic and scholars ground......and can be corrected through scholars work.........
but How can Rakesh Sinha and his organizations RSS /BJP/Hindutva brigade come to use these as excuse to claim for including Ramayana and Mahabharata as HISTORY TEXT.....
This is pattern of their propaganda of RSS and its trained people ...... that by arguing on mistakes of their opponents for denigrate them to DISLODGE something meaningful but not suiting them and then try to play victim card to legitimize or force their AGENDA.... for example RSSand BJP are on war-footing to criticize Congress as psedo secular...... but what they offered as alternate HINDU RASHTRA which is nothing but a THEOCRATIC RULE in India......
.... Rather than offering alternate to make secularism stronger in India which congress could not have done that extent.... But they are not interested in that.....because they have their agenda of HINDU THEOCRACY in India.....
One more point to note is that HINDU is nothing but BRAHAMANISM ....so they are working to establish BRAHAMANICAL THEOCRACY in INDIA in the name of HINDU....
We should involve honest historians like Mr Gujarati, Mr Rajeev Malhotra, Mr Sanjeev Sanyal...
Nidi harvad razdan
NDTV should also have searched what noted archeologist Dr KK Mohammed who was also a part of Babri Masjid excavation team has said about Dr. Irfan Habib. After listening to him one can definitely say that Dr Habib is a prejudiced and untrustworthy person.
Gone this old golden debut ab to pure hindu Muslim chaltaa hee 😢😢😢
romila thapar
Mil mat jana
Chutiya historians 😂😂😂😂
Romila Thappar's integrity?
A woman who refused to accept Somnath Temple was destroyed by Mohammed Gizni, in-spite of Al-Baruni's details, her integrity can only be compared to that of Goebbels who felt that Russian actions in East Prussia was barbarism, but totally ignored mass murders committed by Germans in Russia.
+viharamonastry She is a Marxist stooge. Smooth talking but a useful idiot none the less.
Thaper etc from JNU are not Marxists but followers of the British-Pakistani historians. Ram Guha does not know the history of india as written by Karl Marx or the Soviet historians.
Reference?
@PakMan Go watch her video where she's whining about that persian script which clearly screams about how Muslims vandalized Temple but she was crying for small little differences LOL. When the sense was very much clear that islamist in that age had fun looting India, dismantling idols, why tf thapar has to lie about this by whining about how one idol is hanging or where idol was pierced.. Height of hypocrisy