Top 15 NBA Rookie Rankings | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by J. Kyle Mann to discuss his rankings of the top NBA rookies.
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Miami got the biggest steal. Jamie Jaquez Jr’s last 7 games have been crazy for a rookie. Team trusts him to play mostly the whole 4th quarter and he hits big clutch shots too. Another Heat culture type of player.
So happy to see Simmons talking with J. Kyle Mann about the rookies and not KOC. Mann is the goat at reading the game especially with the younger guys
U made KOC sad 😢
@@hak2297 he seems like a cool dude but he never has anything original to say. He’s an NBA Twitter guy for sure and just repeats what he reads. I mean the man still thinks Mo Bamba is gunna be a star 😂
Big koc fan but after killian iii dono😂❤
you mean Mann is the man
Bill doesn't want to admit that Jaquez is the second coming of Jimmy Butler, and soon will be killing the leprechauns in the playoffs this season 💯😆
Miami bro.. totally possible haha
The other thing about Ausar is the ball never,ever sticks with him. He just moves it, sometimes with jump passes or tip passes.
Yeah he’s one of the few on the team that actually sticks to the .5 second offense.
he have Jokic qualities!@@collinbrooks9006
It can not be understated, that SGA's second year, first in OKC he got to learn from new diet and rejuvenated CP3 and even Dennis Schroeder. Wemby doesn't necessarily need another big to do that for him, to be honest, CP3 would have been great.
Oh yah?
You think?
You think a rookie or sophomore might massively benefit from being mentored by CP3 for a season?
Nnnnnaaaahhhh😊
I think they should do what OKC did with KD year one and that was playing him as a guard/SG.
Improving on his guard skills is what will really create a monster.
CP3 isn’t that guy
@@roneldovthey would still be ass but he would make wemby look a lot better
After watching Chet go off for 36 including buzzer beating 3 to send game in OT that OKC went on to win, I’m convinced that Chet can be more than just a tremendous piece on a playoff contender. This guy can be a bona fide star in this league and make a few All-Star teams. I just need to see how his body develops over the years.
Him and Wemby will be All Stars as long as there bodies hold up to NBA long seasons
Detroit might have been both unlucky and lucky in the same draft. Would still rather have Wemby but Ausur is an incredible consolation prize. He’s like a mix of Rodman, Lindsey Hunter, with James Worthy speed
Damn. He sounds like a beast.
Ausur defence is FIRE jus needs a jumper though.. Cade needs to be him or they going to have another 2/3 wait to start winning.. I doubt he's that guy unfortunate
He’s just such a unique player and his ability on defense is such so impactful. On offense he’s a really good playmaker and sees the floor well. You can already see that his basketball IQ is well past most rookies at this age. Him and Cade are the core, and if the can keep Duran healthy they have the beginnings of something special
James Worthy? You are showing your age friend. And your team allegiance. Hehe There are probably 100 other comps since.
He’s Kawhi and Scottie Pippen like. He literally does EVERYTHING. The only negative in his game right now is his shot, and even that’s not as bad as people make it out to be if you actually watch the Pistons every game like me. Give him 2 years I guarantee his jumper is going to be so much better and he’ll be an legit offensive and defensive threat, he’ll be the ideal two way player in todays NBA
Jaquez has the skills and body to do a bit of a Jimmy Butler imitation. He will start figuring out how to draw fouls regularly
I totally understand Bill’s point about the spurs. I’ve seen a few games and it is frustrating sometimes feeling like they don’t want to get Wemby involved. And the decision to bring Jones off the bench when he was very solid as a starter is so strange to me
Maybe I’ll look dumb someday about this but the Sochan at PG thing is so bizarre to me. I guess they don’t trust him being solid in any other offensive role? Or they realize how limited he’ll be as a scoring option? There’s just nothing inspiring when he’s running the offense
@@gators9570They must see something in him that we don’t. I don’t mind then experimenting in Wendy rookie year but I do understand their points.
maybe just face the fact that pop is a bad coach and kinda lucked out with having 3-4 all stars at all times available for 10+ years? same story as with the patriots and belichick
@@gators9570made a similar comment elsewhere, but my thinking is they know the legit starting point guard isn't on this roster yet. I love Tre as a back up though.
So, spend time devloping Sochan's decision making skills, use a top 8 lottery pick to draft the point guard to pair with Wemby (or package that lotto pick and Keldon...)
Love the Toumani Camara shout out! We love that dude here in Portland
Keyonte George is for real!
Miller's a very good and willing defender right now. If he continues on to be a great defender I can see him making an all NBA spot one day. He's definitely going to be good Offensively
Cavs got a gem in CPJ as an undrafted guy. he lead his wichita team in pts asts rebounds blocks and steals as a point guard and went undrafted because he was an upperclass man
He just went off against the Nuggets last night.😉
I am with you on Thompson. He is exactly what I was taught in terms of floor game, effort and team play on top of being spectacular. My favorite Piston in awhile.
Asuar locked up Shai he blocked his jumper twice and went 2/8 ! Blocked Jimmy twice at the rim, blocked herro for disrespecting him, best Zach Lavine shhh on the perimeter
He didn’t lock up anybody. Jimmy took his lunch money
As a Spurs fan it's so frustrating that the only player on the team other than Tre Jones who can throw a good post entry pass is Victor. Which lets teams get away with throwing small guys on him, and then when he tries to call his own number getting the ball at the three point line he doesn't have the handles to take guards off the dribble and gets picked. Pop's gone senile with the Sochan experiment.
Seems the goal is to develop Sochan's decision making, see if Keldon is ok as a 3rd/4th option and his off ball decision making, and get a top 5 draft pick.
As a spurs fan you don't have the right to be frustrated..you guys are spoiled and just got more spoiled w wemba. Try rooting for a trash franchise.
Pop needs to retire
Spurs needs a guy like Van Vleet, Lowry or Sexton
Big agreement on Bill's final point, this rookie class is as compelling evidence as we need to expand the league, there are a ton of great young players sitting on the bench who just don't get the chance they deserve. I hope we see those expansion teams within the next few years.
Have to disagree I think the talent is not there for as many teams that we have right now - If the talent was so high you would see the records by very close but there not they are teams like Denver and then teams like Detroit..
Asaur my favorite rookie
Carson Wallace on Orlando would have been a great look no doubt. The superb defense on an already great defensive team. The shooting. The readiness right out the gate. 💯
The Spurs have been beyond frustrating to watch. They're utilizing Wembayana so badly. With the right point guard I would guess that he'd be scoring more than 25 points a night. It feels like I'm watching Summer League when I watch the Spurs where everybody is out to get theirs and doesn't play smart basketball. Something has to change.
Wemby is a liability every time he touches the ball. Pop isn’t dumb…He just understands he has a dud on his hands. I’d bet money Wemby never gets better this season. His ceiling is legit dime store Porzingis.😂
braindead or troll, regardless an idiot@@realmatic10
That's why I thought they shoulda got cp3
@@Koolej98 I was thinking about that as well but since they have that very young team I don't think they want to get a veteran. It's crazy that a team coached by Gregg Popovich could look so summer league.
@@Koolej98I thought the same
Detroit need to swing for Amen. Kids not gonna get the run in Houston these next 3 years.
Cade-Amen-Ausar-Stew-Jalen is a synergistic 5 man unit with defense. However it depends on how far their jumpers all develop.
Wiseman + 1st rd for Amen IMO would be great. Time to hop off the Hayes/Ivey projects and go for continuity and excellence.
Don't take the Wiseman part seriously. The contract is necessary and comes off the books soon. And is a hail Mary upside option for Houston (not likely lol)
is Cade a bust?
Lively is third for me,as of right now.
He is starting center of third best team in the league.
And he is one of the main reasons why.
His impact is far beyond his actual stats.
At least Mavs tank for a reason
I so agree. To say Lively has exceeded expectations is like Mt. Everest is a tall mountain.
imagine if the knicks got hime?
@@dusttaker, perish the thought! We finally drafted a Center for the first time in the history of the Franchise. Just be happy that the Knicks got Brunson.
Honestly if the spurs want sochan to get point guard reps they’ve gotta let him do that with the second unit, give him time to learn how the position, maybe even let him get some run with starters in blowouts (whether they’re up or down). But the closing lineup has got to be tre jones, vassell, Johnson, sochan, wemby
Ausar can't shoot and his ball handling is a little shaky. He does everything else amazingly well for a rookie. His on-ball defense, his rebounding, his shot blocking, his athleticism, his energy, his tenacity, have all been great, and we will never have to question his work ethic or desire.
Yes. His 3pt% is like 12. He has a lot to work on. But his D is great.
Andre Jackson Jr. has been sneaky impactful for Milwaukee. He’s already their best perimeter defender, keep your eye on him.
They are gonna need one of those young wings to be a solid 3&D solution by late season and when the playoffs roll in. Ain't no way they plan to start Malik Beasley in the playoffs whose just a glorified chucker with no D.
If you’re a Jackson Jr. you spawn with + defensive attributes
The Thunders Chet - Cason Rookie class is special. If V.Micic smooths out the rough edges then this Thunder Rookie Class becomes among the NBA's all time bests.
I feel like its not said enough how much better of a shooter and finisher(non dunk lol) chet is than wemby. And he is more disciplibed on defense. Just a better player right now. BUT MY GOD those physical tools and glimpes of actualized wemby are WILD. Should make for a really interesting ROY race.
I think Wemby on the Thunder would be way better than Chets production. As a spurs fan the biggest factor in Wembys struggles both offensively and defensively comes from the players around him.
@@nicyee3701exactly 💯
He has a league year under his belt and is 2 years older. He should be better than Wemby at this point.
I never liked second year guys being classified as rookies. When Ben Simmons won it as a second year player I was pretty disappointed
Yeah even if they’re younger than some true rookies age wise, the entire year of experience of being on an NBA team, going to NBA practice etc is indisputably a big advantage
I agree. They had a rookie year, they just happened to be injured.
The Rule is so dumb
It sorta makes sense. They have no on court reps so they are on the same level with the real first years. Sure they may have practice but until they get logged in line up minutes that measures a comparable sample size, its hard to measure how these rookies can perform playing the game at actual NBA speed.
Nah if it is their first time playing in the NBA they deserve their opportunity to be rookie of the year. Everyone has different circumstances coming into the league that come with different advantages and disadvantages that contribute to how ready they are to make impact as a rookie.
Everybody's dad's favorite is the perfect description of Toumani Camara
Wembys teammates be freezing him out but media is hesitant to outright say it
Maybe the funnest thing about Ausar: Is he already the best candidate in the league to get a 5x5 on any given night? Maybe I'm missing someone, but it doesn't feel like it's close.
Giannis is probably still the top candidate
His brother Amen
Anthony Davis would like a word. In fact he got 3 steals 5 boards tonight
@@slimjim665problem with AD is he'll do that one night then have 7 points and like 6 rebounds the next. Plus the constant injuries. He should be the best center in the league but right now he's fourth which is dissapointing.
Asur is like a hyper nuclear athletic version of Iguadola which if you remember Sixers era Iggy he was insane.
Brandon Miller is so good that in this entire amazing draft class, no one is saying they would have picked any of them over BM.
Dereck Lively 💪
Pop is definitely tryna stealth tank for one more season putting sochan at point which sucks cause Wemby dont have a good fscilitator to get him easy buckets but its probably smart with the new cba its WAY better to try to build with the draft instead of big trades or free agency signings.
So I’m going to channel my inner Pop here, and I think he may be using Sohan as someone to set the bar for Wemby to learn from. Almost as a how not to do offensively, and what to do defensively. In the scenario where you want him to be a point center like Jokic, but like athletic, and fast.
The spurs need apg, which is why i have huge problems with so called positionless basketball because certain skills are missing from perimeter guys. Branham and Jones are the closest to pgs and probably need to start over soxhan and let him be a glue guy. Right now j9hnson and vassell are your leaders until wemby matures
Even just watching the Spurs trying to feed the post is frustrating. It's like a lost art now, somebody give Stockton a call and teach them the science of passing into the post so the player on catch is a bucket or a foul shooting 2.
Here’s my fave to watch in college-Rob Dillingham from Kentucky. A quicker, although smaller Darius Garland. Shockingly quick.
Clingan next year.
Where is Jamie Jacques Jr.? Yes literally the 3rd best rookie playing and contributing to a winning team.
On the bench
Bill correct about Black. He’s a ball player. Plays D, good passer, can score. Should be a gem.
Bill Simmons eating crow. LOL😂😂😂. Brandon Miller is balling and is in Rookie of the year race with Wemnby and Chet
Wemby: 43% shooting overall, 28% 3.9 TO on 2.5 assts. Chet: 52% overall FG / 44% 3s TO/ASST 2.2/2.2 Chet is better right now.
Lol if you had Wemby would you trade him for Chet??
@@tdup191 I might consider it. But probably not. My comments were Chet is better right now. My thoughts on Wemby are his height is a greater advantage the closer to the basket he plays, and so far, he looks like a small forward, and while that will prove an advantage out there, it won't be as great an advantage if he played on the low block.
We all knew chet was a better shooter, its unmatchable height/length
@@robotclark Chet is playing with 1000% better teammates tho and tht needs to be factored. Doubt his shooting splits would be the same if you put him on Spurs in Wemby place
@@lifeonthelake4367 Chet also got NBA level training for a year too so can't really compare him and Wemby game yet
Chet, Cason, Livley, B Pod.....Lets goooo
TBH I love Ausar, but I think he’s almost just as prone to get injured as Chet or wemby cause he’s also pretty lanky and he bounces around a lot. He does like throw his body 100% like d rose or Westbrook but he definitely relies on his athleticism a lot to play defense, rebound, and slash to the hoop.
Y are we talking ab people who haven’t even been injured yet (except Chet) when the rookie who’s actually injury prone..injured?
Lots of Scoot hype during the draft... What happened?
he was overhyped
Sochan for me is like a Boris DIaw, not the main facilitator but a connector. THEY NEED A FLOOR GENERAL TO ORGANIZE CHAOS, like 2-3 good PG.
they need that other frenchman the bacon and egg man Tony Parker
Hawkeye 🎯
Jaimie needs more love
To Bill's point re: Point Sochan:
- Wemby w/Tre Jones: +14 per 100
- Wemby w/Jeremy Sochan: -22 per 100
Need an update
Cason Wallace and Hawkins would’ve been the perfect picks for Orlando, Cason as a complimentary/do it all PG that defends and can hit spot up jumpers, moves the ball well. Hawkins fit is obvious. I like AB but his fit w Orlando isn’t ideal.
Chet it clearly ahead of Wemby at this stage of the season. I'd keep Ausar #2.
Besides substantially more talent, the Spurs need some vets. Cedi Osman is like the only rotation guy over 25. Whenever the Spurs decide to pivot that way - it looks like it’s working for the Rockets.
Best playoff rookie-NCAA Champ Andre Jackson💪🦌
Wow now we just saw chet against an experienced team in crunch etc. And he was just sure he had it goin and for his age, man it was so fkn awesome to watch. After watching this clip of the pod, it's just wemby and chet man.. for real. They'll make the young mistakes it's just inevitable. But they're on a level on their own, just the 2. Any rookie or young player in the conversation, pffft there's nobody.
CHET IS SPECIAL!
It’s a shame Wemby doesn’t get to play with SGA as his pg instead of sochan lmao
No reason at all to not believe pop will find wemby his tony parker to duncan..a pg he can play off will allow the complete evolution to continue
They already have Tre Jones. Not saying that he is Tony Parker, but he is better than Sohan.
J. KYLE MANN!
It is nice that they gave Coulibaly the OLI spot but when all is said and done he is going to be in the argument with Victor and Chet.
Lively is Deandre Jordan 2.0 better in space defending
Chet should be 1, I get that Wemby looks great because he's the best player on bad team but he's been terrible at shooting. He's shooting 50/28/76 while Chet is shooting at an elite level 58/44/91 which is crazy for a rookie to be doing. You can say that's because Wemby is getting worse looks because he's got a bad team around him but that doesn't explain FT% where Chet is destroying him while Wemby is below league avg. Also the difference between 28% and 44% shooting from 3 is insane regardless of what team your playing for, regardless of what PG you have. Wemby's defense is may be the selling point but his defensive numbers don't look that much different from Chet. Also it's not like Chet is standing around waiting for easy layups. He still has 20% usage compared to Wemby's 30%. If you consider he's basically putting up the same numbers on 10% lower usage you really start to see how inefficient Wemby has been.
On a side note about age, Chet is only 1 year older. If you think Wemby is going from 50/28/76 to 58/44/91 in one year, your crazy. The only thing I can see him being better than in one year than Chet is his defensive numbers, or maybe becoming more efficient by taking less bad shots and turning the ball over less.
Not really sure how they can possibly have Wembanyama ahead of Chet atm. Chet has far better offensive numbers, much, much more efficient and similar impact defensively.
Sometimes, journalists go into a season with a narrative in their heads and are just determined to stick to it. Evidence be damned.
I mean its also the middle of November. Much can change by the time January/February rolls in with the trade deadline and the ASG looming over. And especially in the 2nd half of the season where rookies numbers historically go down with being gassed in their first full season.
@@t4d0W Totally agree. Wemby may well surpass Chet during the season. But, as I understand it, this was meant to be a ranking of how the rookies are currently performing, not an end-of-season projection. And, in that case, I don't see how Chet doesn't get the nod.
I suspect it's because the media hyped Wemby up to a ridiculous extent before the season, and are now personally invested in him succeeding so that their predictions look correct. This vested interest could be the reason they rank Wemby ahead of Chet and others, even if he doesn't deserve it. Same with all the Jokic haters last season.
On draft night I said two things that is true right now.
1. This draft class will be known as a defensive class.
(Wemby, Lively, Ausar, Amen, Black, Wallace & O-Max just to name a few are all excellent defenders)
2. Ausar should have been the 2nd Pick, Amen 3rd, Scoot 4th and Miller 5th.
My take on Wemby and Chet.
Wemby is a more agile Porzingis.
Chet is a PF/C version of KD.
I had the same draft order I don’t understand how people couldn’t see the Thompson twins talent
Nice draft order. In hindsight I'm sure the top 5 would play out tht way
Ausar and Sasser have been the only bright spots for Detroit this year. Duren too, but can’t stay healthy and hasn’t looked the same.
Have you seen Jaquez defending?
Scoot? Over Miller? We fr still doin this like yall haven’t been wrong??
Scoot is physically ready...the problem is he is now on a team whoch he has to lead...he cant lead that particular team as a downhill westbrook/rose guy. His size will give other guards issues (not named holiday and smart) but can he control a game, which will take time. The kid mays isnt doign a bad job amd may prove to have his stock raised like vanvleet with scoot, brogdon and simons out, all eho play a sg/pg role.
His jump shot is a problem as well.
@angryfish9976 that too but most young pgs have a broken shot. But solely just being downhill is a problem and has a ceiling
He’s the type of pg that will need talent around him. He could be a great facilitator but I don’t think he can be a 1 man show putting up crazy numbers.
@angryfish9976 wouldn't want him to. A floor general is a lost art right now. The ball goes in the hands of your best player but they're not necessarily the best offense initiator, just the best shot creator for themselves. Scoot has talent around him: Sharpe, Simon's, ayton...inthink they mat need another piece but they have to move off Simon's or grant
If JKM is there, I'm there
Lively is of course underrated by Bill at 6, but that's Bill for you 🤣
Guy looks amazing right now.
Agreed!
Totally blew the 40 seconds on Wemby...lol
scoot shouldn't even be ranked 😦single digit 3 point %
No Coulibaly in a TOP 15 rookie power ranking is absolutely ridiculous, even bordering on incompetence.
...if you combined the "Wonder Twins" they would become a LeBron type duo...I would trade for the brother and try and get them together ...they're stronger together 👊
NO BILAL is crazy he's top 6
Bill either has a spectacular dermatologist or dude is using an anti wrinkle filter... lmao
Andre Jackson Jr. is a huge snub here
The spurs need to trade for CP3
Kevin O'Knew Asur was the better brother when no one else did.
Amen is better
@@BLGClipsx I would sit here and argue but it's not even close.
If Wemby loses a $100M Nike shoe contract because he doesn't win ROY due to Pop's experiment, will this damage his relationship with the Spurs? This will test his loyalty when contract signing time comes around.
Simmons called scoot the next legend during summer league lol admit you were wrong
Coach Pop is the wrong coach for Wemby, but people are not ready for that conversation.
yup he need to retire
I get wemby will he better but saying stuff about wemby being with better players, imagine if he was the main option and not the 4th or 5th. Yes it should hinder him but it should also be analyzed. CHET still has issues don’t get me wrong rebounding the main imo but he is def 1st
Pray for Russillo 🏀
???
No matter how well Chet plays it’s nothing he can do to jump Wemby in the ROY race. Smh
yup that award is locked in stone and the media is there to make sure the Wemby narrative continues ... its a business and Wemby is the better draw right now
Your wrong Chet doesn’t have the same frame as Vic. I would be more worried about his future. He is not
attacked nightly like Vic, because he is not the focal point of the opposing teams.
been on the Ausur train for a while now and as a Blazer fan, he will almost certainly be the hooping regret of my lifetime. Like... they were like oh his brother the pg can dribble but he can shoot and plays great d and the other one was touted... like wtf? even Shaq can dribble mfers....
oof the keeep dame take ausur take was a bullet to my heart lol
This draft is so fucking loaded jesus christ. 😅😅
Can someone be a good boy and post the ranking
Wemba is shooting 42 percent you can't shoot 42 percent and be an efficient NBA player. And a center is the most efficient position. So for that reason wemba should not be first. Chet is shooting 55 percent.
Giddey made 3 from 3 last game
Wemby is so fuckin overrated. “But his elite defense stats and he his touch for 7’4.. “
Ok? And his shyness from the paint has him shooting 42% and his team losing by 30 every game lol. Anytime Zubac holds you to 9 pts on 12 shots it’s time till re-evaluate if what you’re doing is working
Chet Holmgren played for a top college team, that let him grow in skill. Wembyama is a little skinny to play near the basket. Chet is a better player period.
AUSAR
Ive honestly seen many more mediocre and even busts than superstars in the lottery recently
In my eyes it's because teams draft for potential too much versus taking guys that can help now. It's like if a guy is over 20 then his window is devalued.
Expecting guys who still can't legally drink a beer to be responsible with millions of dollars and continue to develop is a risky proposition.
Statistically, that’s always been the case. After the top three picks, it’s hit or miss and the probability of hits goes way down.
Chet is more polished than Wenby and to think that Chet is surrounded by great scorers such as SGA and to register such numbers is I guess is more than significant than what Wenby is doing for the Spurs.
Chet has far superior shooting stats(59-40-90) and the same bpg (2.2)has 2.2 TOs vs wembys 3.9. it's not close.
Wemby is a bit better rebounder but neither are elite . Season isn't over but I don't get the wemby praise since his offense is so mediocre
Well yeah he is more efficient because he is in a way better situation. He is the third option on his team and has Giddey, Jay Williams, and SGA feeding him the rock. Just imagine Wemby on the Thunder he would be putting up way better numbers then Chet.
@@nicyee3701 considering he's a terrible shooter I doubt that. Maybe he'd play closer to the basket(where wemby should play), but his shooting splits wouldn't be as good as chets is now. Wembys freethrow percentage is 77 while chets is 91 I think. Wembys 3pt percentage is 29 and chets is 44. Will those stats hold? Idk but chets clearly better offensively .
@@HoboWithAShotgun Offense isn't just shooting though, I believe Wemby playing on the Thunder averages more points then Chet and less turnovers. Wembys numbers look inefficient because of the team around him, Chet has the luxury of playing on a loaded team with young stars around him.
Ausar is Rodman without the bullshit.
i like chet but he couldnt even back down cp3
Anthony black is sleeper GO Magic.hes already top 5 pg defender. can lock up any pg
I love the whole no sochan at pg it's all webby he should be thel one to score who caresif it forces him to develop more to his game and the rest of the team develops around him
Ausar is great but there is no argument of him over Chet. Bill is living a year in the past. Chet is much bigger and will have a Giannis-lite body transformation
I think it's lame that Chet gets to be lumped in as a "rookie". He got to spend an entire year in an NBA organization.
Hes also coming back from not playing for a year with a bad foot injury that's also a handicap Simmons and Blake Griffin both won Roy after missing first season
Mann on the BS here comes some young bucks evaluations