Old Mud Wagon Photo Discoveries | Engels Coach Shop
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- Some photo enhancement reveals better details on how this original mud wagon was designed and built. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles often brings its challenges in determining what was originally correct for each vehicle.
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To call yourself a wheelwright is a gross understatement. There is no adequate one word description which combines all your many talents .
Dave, you may have enjoyed sharing this with us. However, I doubt you enjoyed it as much as we did.
Absolutely.
Paint your wagon red comes with a good Providence, Darren's, tootles major an aching for the hard yards and a salute to the imperial palace
Always the smart dressed man
I wish you a calm
Weekend with mulled wine and a stiff grog as well as a
Happy 4th Sunday in Advent and a contemplative one
pre-Christmas period
in health and peace
Stay healthy!
🎄🎄🎄🎄
Franky
Ich wünsche euch ein Ruhiges
Wochenende bei Glühwein und nen Steifen Grog sowie einen
schönen 4ten Adventssonntag und eine besinnliche
Vorweihnachtszeit
in Gesundheit und Frieden
Bleibt Gesund!
🎄🎄🎄🎄
Franky
Who else has this much knowledge, experience and skill. Must be a dying art. Who else is going to spend 40 years to perfect this level of mastery of their craft.
Thank you for adding 'insight' into how one would think about the process of recreating a project. This is a fundamental step in the process. It is also potentially the hardest part.
This is so much better than anything that hollywood is capable of producing. I anxiously await the weekly installment of the hit new drama that is Mud Wagon.
Ah ha, Inspector Engels, you are a sleuth and master builder extraordinaire. I love Ash wood for wagon building.
I love the study of fine details in historic photos like this. We do this in the arena of railroad history too.
It is hard to believe any gum shoe could deduce so many details from such simple clues. Thanks for walking us through process of pulling it all together.
We'll he does do this for a living afterall.
When you know what you are looking for you know when you see it.
Like many others I'm really enjoying watching the reverse engineering of this mud wagon. What I find even more remarkable is the fact that, just like the era when this wagon was born, members of the community are sharing their resources and expertise to assist you in completing the job!
Back when I was 10 thru 12 yrs old, living in Eureka CA, there was a couple just down the road that had horses and I was allowed to help feed them. Well what I thought was just a big barn was Full of Wagons, Coaches, Buggies, all completely restored!! So very Awesome to see, and be allowed to board them for rides every so often. That would have been the mid 60s then. 🐎🐎🐎
I enjoy your logic and I can not say I would argue with any of it, I will keep watching.
Интересный проект, удачи!
It would be great if you could get some volunteers to dress and pose for a recreation of the original photo when the buggy is finished. Just a thought. :)
I find the "discovery" part just as fascinating as the building.
I really enjoy listening to you explain your thought process on figuring out the wagon based on one grainy picture and the remains of the wagon's iron works.
What a detective.
another archaeology video. I am enjoying this type of video, it shows another side of of Dave. Can't wait for the next video and see what is next.
Once this Mud Wagon is complete, you should recreate the original photo; even if the driver and passengers are dressed in contemporary clothes it would be great to see the two photos side by side! 🙂
Wonderful video and nice work doing what I call “unpacking the history” I often work on antique furniture as well as machinery many have been repaired many times before . Old pictures of the original or ones similar have often been my only guide. Your base knowledge is an asset on this project and I applaud your effort to “get it right”!
Another great video! YES! It is very very interesting to know your thought process and to understand how you come to conclusions. Thanks for taking the time to produce such great contenet!
So many styles of the mud wagon keep it going😁😁😁😁😁
Sometimes it helps to cut up some old cardboard boxes and use masking tape and just "mock it up" in cardboard, so that you can see how it looks and how it goes together. You can easily make changes and compare the results to your pictures. Good Luck with the project.
Hot melt glue also works great for this Cardboard Aided Design.
Quite the puzzle ! But i'm confident you will master it. :)
It is a treat to see the research that goes into keeping these vehicles authentic. Your attention to detail is second to none.
Well who ever is going to be the proud owner of this mud wagon, they are going to have one sweet ride! 👍
The process of a professional! What you showed us in 30 minutes you prob had worked out in your mind in moments - very interresting
Stay safe and we'll see you next week.
Fantastic! I always look forward to the next installment.
I just love puzzling through old photos.
Dave I knew that you were a great Waynewrite, but also an avid watcher of the detective TV shows like Colombo, and Monk. Just a little humor to add to your remarkable skills. Thanks for the outstanding video.
The wheelwright's most important tool -- his brain!
Dave my girlfriend said if somebody shipped that pile of the mud wagon parts to me it would have been burned in the wood stove before i got a chance to see it! Looking good nice detective work! I am sure some of these rebuilds can sure be head scratchers. Because i am sure some parts were replaced in the day with whatever the wagon maker or blacksmith had for spare parts on hand or what they could make with what they had! Looking good!
even though I follow along, I still enjoyed your time lapse video as well. thank you Sir
Restoration research the best I have seen!!
And we think we are cramped when we fly in coach.
I have to say I really enjoy all of your videos. I am a history buff of sorts and like how you have great attention to detail and historical accuracy. If one were to compare your craft to regular wood working, cabinet maker, furniture maker, I'd say you are the "Norm Abram" to wheelwrights. Even though the borax wagons are industrial wagons, after watching the videos, I would consider them "fine furniture". Thanks for the history and keeping the wild west rolling.
With all the schooling that we are getting, it will be great to see the mud wagon when it is complete.
Brilliant deductions, you're doing a fantastic job trying to keep the unknown exact measurements into a look alike exact replica Dave. Knowing this also tells everyone it will be done right too. Thanks for sharing all these building techniques that you come up with. Stay safe around there and warm as possible too. Fred.
DAVE, GREAT JOB, TELL EVERYBODY HELLO, I WILL SEE YOU WHEN, GREAT VIDEO...
Sherlock Engels!!! Excellent job, thank you.
Thanks Dave, this has been an "added" treat. Your stellar craftsmanship is always worth the view, but getting a window into your thought process - compiling all these fragments to recreate the whole, as only someone with your wisdom and experience could do, has been a fantastic journey as well.
im enjoying how you go about investigating how it was built
After you get that wagon all done, you should get some of your people together to try and re-enact that photo - might be fun.
I would love to see a recreation of the photo when the wagon is finished
What little I know of your character from your videos, you seem a modest and humble person, so when you talked about the second and first row passengers' legs intertwined, naturally, my sordid imagination made a crude calculation of this coach's cargo of people. Adjusting the gender of the first row passenger to male, also adjusted my off-track mind. Thanks for another great video!
I love what you do and the way you present it.
The Lady on the Driver's seat has a Shiny object on the left of her Coat like a watch or Broch
Dave, while you are taking clues from both the existing carriage box remains and the photo, I am struck by one thing that will become important. With the front passenger seat being backwards, which. Makes sense , being under the driver’s seat, the back corner of the driver’s seat should be be curved inside the coach, as it becomes safer for when a passenger is rising from that seat, to prevent bumping their head against a sharp corner.
From what I have already seen in this series, I would consider this to be a “ Frugal “ coach, with sears open underneath that can allow small bags to be stored and the two forward facing seats to be removable so it could also be a package wagon. This is dye to the bottom front of the box being square and not curved as the one in the photo.
i have also noticed that the roof bows in the photo extend beyond the sides of the coach body.. this makes sense so if a light rain occurs, it would roll away from the coach interior and it leaves the possibility for roll up sides with Ising glass windows for heaver rain.
Thanks for sharing the "Detective process" Dave. It's amazing!
I really enjoy these videos. As much philosophy of the job as the job itself.
Hi Dave and Diane, season's greetings, and the story of the mud wagon continues to unfold, great intuition ,and analysis of the photos, and Information so far gathered. I can see that your experience, and common sense in deducting what's likely to work, be functional, and ultimately look right, will win in the end, it's sure going to be interesting watching how you go about it. Many thanks for another interesting video mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and Diane, Stuart and Megan UK.
Thank you, and same to you.
I love watching your videos
I am amazed what you can discern from that old photograph. Thank you for sharing. Have a great holiday and stay safe.🙂🙂
This mud wagon is turning into gold!
Thanks for sharing and Merry Christmas to you and your family 👪
Can't wait to see the finish.
Hi. nice to watch your movies. Thank you for writing the text in Swedish. Wish you a Merry Christmas.
You're welcome
Cheers to you from Edmonton Alberta., and thank you for your videos this year. Have a Merry Christmas and Best Wishes for the New Year.
a craftsman at work
You probably don’t need this, but I noticed some really good pictures of a Henderson Mudwagon on the Hansen wagon and wheel site under the used wagon section!
The minute you said derby hat the image transformed in my mind from female to male.
I really enjoy the analysis of this old photo and your attempt to recreate it, with your best knowledge. With regards to the 45 deg. angle brace at the bottom of the rear-facing seat, it might be possible that it's not actually a brace or bracket, but it might be a hinge piece of a box or piece of luggage that is stored under the seat.
Might take a closer look, especially if there is no evidence of a 45 deg. brace. Just my thoughts!
As I said before, "The Game is afoot" and your deductions are right on course from this layman's view anyway. Its obvious you stride to get it as close to the original as you possible can. and no one can fault you there Dave. thanks for taking us along on this restoration/build and for sharing it is so enjoyable and interesting. can't wait for the next clue/ video! ECF
As to your young man or young woman in the front seat ... Years ago I went to a jazz club with my British wife, who was wearing a tween jacket and one of those British caps. The doorman greeted us as "gentlemen", which she was quick to correct! :-) Love the analysis of all the details! woodworking archeology.
Well done and said. Enjoyed immensely.
photography is the greatest invention of all time
thanks for sharing your knowledge of this work in progress God bless you and yours ✝️ stay safe out there
Dave, you would make a great detective.
Thanks. Keep 'em coming and good luck with this project.
Thanks Dave, all very interesting.
I love your thought process. I also want to fly fish that river in your area.
I dont have any CAD drawing programs. It would be interesting to use that image as layer 1. Then draw the outline. To get the angles in a prespective drawing. Checking peoples shoe lengths verses wheel size might give you a really close scale to work from.
Now when i watch movies and TV shows i am looking at wagon details..
I would have to agree with you on the person looking out of the front seat. I think what appears to be long hair, is actually a brace from the front/driver seat back to the edge of the roof overhang
Really nice work Dave. Thanks for sharing. Hope y'all have a wonderfully blessed
Merry Christmas.
Thank you for another high quality video. I find these so instructive & informative. Merry Xmas to you & your family from a UK fan
Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat.
Gotta make my mind up.
Which seat can I take?
It's Friday, Friday
That is some fascinating photo analysis
I believe you said that this coach doubled as a freight wagon. If that is the case is it possible that the front seat hinges up and can be locked into place in a vertical position. The legs would also be hinged at the front of that seat and would "float" with gravity into a vertical position when the seat is dropped into a passenger configuration.
Excellent video Dave....as usual.....Thanks!
I have no doubt this Mud Wagon build will be as accurate as can be.
Really enjoy analysis, and the History. I live in Great Falls MT.
Hi Bob. Dave grew up there.
This is so awesome. I have an original mountain wagon in little better shape than this. More complete and assembled. But all has to be rebuilt. Ive thought about contacting you about doing the wheels. But I really want to try doing it myself if possible. Have elm cured for hubs, hickory for spokes. Still need ash and other woods to complete the rough stock materials. The knowledge you share in these videos are is more valuable than the wood. Still trying to figure out dish angles and tread angles ect for the rebuild. But kind of getting it sorted with books as well as details you provide. It's more than just entertainment really. It's education. Thanks.
Good luck!
I absolutely love watching you work. Thanks for making the video.
Thanks very much for sharing your analysis. I still disagree with the concept of a third seat. If the man in the back seat has his foot against the brace for the front seat, which I think is actually the duster of the man turned towards the camera in the front seat, it is still possible to comfortable reach out his leg as he appears to be a pretty large man. Just my opinion, my wife is probably right, I am an argumentative SOB, but don't tell her that. I will not mention it again as the decision is yours. Thanks again for sharing, I find this fascinating.
very good video I don't miss a single
Once again thanks for the video.
Dave, what about a fold down seat? If they didn't have the passengers, they could lift the seat to make room for hauling larger goods.
Yes I was thinking the same,cargo,luggage etc.
That is some great sleuthing. Also, great community here that took the time to enhance the images as well. Quite the team. For my two bits worth: if there are no fastenings for the front seat leg, what's the likelihood that it would fold up for cartage space. Perhaps the middle seat gentleman passenger has his foot on a cross plank used to laterally stiffen the seat legs. That is often found in other folding seat types. As a wild thought, perhaps a leather strap(s) is used to prevent the leg from slipping to the rear and spilling the passengers. Anyway - great content. Love this project, just like all the others.
Thank you for sharing your world with us.
The man taking notes is a future traveler, and you can see he´s taking notes on an Asus Fonepad Note 6. That phone is from 2013, this means this guy travel back in time in 2013.
Thank you for helping us think along with you.
You know how it goes. "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
So very interesting. I actually go back and watch some parts over again to get a better idea of what you are trying to explain. The fact that you have done so much of this work sure helps for you to know what you need to do and to explain it to us as an audience. This will be somewhat like watching you build the Borax set on a much smaller level.
Take care and keep warm,
jack
Спасибо.
Appreciate 👍🙏💚🧡
Makes me remember the analysis of the mariage picture of my Grand Mother... As 93, years old she was saying something about a young women on the 1924 picture named Blanche, and my mother was saying some people were not our family. My sister and me had to do a lot of search, and in fact the picture was containing a drama, that will impact my mother along her childhood. So this is search of lost evidences in every detail, and the picture was containing details giving solutions. One was a 16 year old man, hilarious with two other women behind, laughing with him, one putting a little flower up to the vest Pocket, with mean the man is in love to someone, and the three are looking near the cameraman, that's why my Grand'ma remembered this young lady, Blanche, the was the promise , 20 years old , of this teenage man. In fact he was from the family, my grand father lost his father as he was six, so his oncle was his second father, and the young man, René, like his Junior brother. The ladies behind him are one cousine from my Grand Ma, and one from my Grand Father, they are so all from our family, the Grand Ma one is a intersex condition, AISc, born girl externally but containing one y chromosome. Two years after, the sixteen man is eighteen, he call his father to free him to majority , to marry Blanche the father refuses, he get to the railroad station near the house and get under the Express that don't stop there in the early morning, died, his promise called there by people try to do same, hurt, she not dying and eight months later, a died baby born will be noticed by official registry. As saying his second son suicided the father will go to die by hanging the night later. All that were deducted by the picture and searches with my sister, as we listened to our Grandma, and she were right, she told Us about suicide by hang, Blanche was in her memory as the picture were taken, Grandma was looking at Blanche near the camera operator, and for a reason, our mother did not wanted Us to know about this story.
So, old pictures have sometimes All an history to tell. One thing I do is to take a part of the picture in a software and add more pixels, double them, some details becomes more visible, as to say if the young man is a lady. I don't think that if he taken off his hat, because women's hat are at this time, ''à la mode de Paris''🤗 tied with hair pins, so I don't think she would have taken off her one!.... So this is a man, no doubt!... I think the camera man studied a lot his picture, so he said this man to take the light in taking off the hat. The picture is very studied this is a scene, telling about daily life in the city. I love that you rebuild this wagon, people's souls keep their place on the seats, your wood is already keeping the weight of their bodies.🙏💚🧡
Quite a story!
Thanks Dave
Just loving the journey ! Thanks
Very good observations thanks for the update.