We did some experimental engineering in college with the arrow. With a modern engine and titanium airframe,fly by wire etc.. we could get mach 3.5 air superiority fighter. Pretty good for a 1960 design.
@@eric4369 Before the SR-71, there was the A-12. Between the A-12 and the SR-71, there was the YF-12. In 1965, three YF-12's were tested as Mach 3 interceptors. They were armed with three GAR-9 long range A2A missiles, directed by a very advanced (for the day) AN/ASG-18 doppler fire control system. Although fast and proven capable in BVR engagements, the aircraft took a considerable amount of time to pre-flight, had to refuel once airborne, took even more time post-flight to service, and had very limited ability to maneuver (the blackbirds operated at an altitude that prevented anything more than gentle turns and almost no G-loading - their airframes were limited to 2.5g). All of which add up to 'wildly impractical' as military aircraft, save strategic recce - which satellite and drone technology has handily covered. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YF-12
@@raynus1160 The blackbird didn't need to g load or turn, it was so fast that anything locked on to it ran out of juice before it could catch up. all it had to do was cruise and take pictures. That is anything but "wildly impractical." It accomplished things that would have been close to impossible without them. Yes it was a bitch and a half to turn them around for another mission, that was however nullified by adding more blackbirds to the fleet. Obviously things are different today with drones and satellites. I don't think anyone would argue with you there. Oddly enough the Avro Arrow would have been able to intercept the blackbird if it was ever completed. It also could have taken on a similar role, it had a variety of packages that could be swapped out in its belly. One of them was a camera package. Plus it was gonna be able to fly at 60 thousand feet+. Granted that was a bit lower and it would have been a bit slower than the blackbird.
Rare footage of aircraft 201 in dayglow livery. 201 was damaged in a landing accident on June 11, 1958 and didn't fly again until October 5th. It was also the first (and last) Arrow to fly.
Not just politics, but also manipulative American industry that enticed the Canadian Govt. to kill the Avro Arrow. If we did decide to build a new better Arrow, even the Super Arrow jet fighter, I bet the US will try to find a way to shut down production some way or another.
We don't need a new jet ...We need someone in office with balls and buy back what we sold out on years ago Canadian design and know how Then we can get started And i bet you we would have something no other has...atlease a few years
Seems to me the movie about this awesome aircraft/project revitalized a lot of interest and created many a new fans. Praying the Left/Treudeau is soon replaced by the Right and that the new Canadian leaders build the Super Arrow!🙏🇺🇸👍 I feel it would help create numerous jobs across Canada, create a stronger sense of National Pride/Unite Canadians, create prosperity/strong economy and spread over-all joy, strength and happiness.
@@JP-fq5zj at the time it was ahead of its time and like every other remarkable invention it would have continued to adapt to the changing times But since the CPC could only as far ahead as the next election this was not to be
@@kincardinepair1442 Adapt how? It was basically designed to be useless as anything other than an interceptor. The F-4 Phantom was leagues better and flew only two months after the Arrow first did. Neverminded how mad the Army and the Navy were getting at all the money being wasted on it.
Most experts have already proven that the Arrow was too expensive, too complicated, too impractical, and too OVERRATED to be put into production. The British Electric Lighting, the Danish Sabb Drakken, and the French Dassault Mirage had higher and more efficient Service Ceiling performance than the Avro Arrow.
I don't know where you are getting your information from. The truth is after WW2, Avro by accident had the brightest aeronautical engineers in the world. The Arrow was the most advanced jet interceptor in the world. It was fly by wire in 1957. It met or exceeded all RCAF specifications. It was capable of mach 2 with the Pratt and Whitney J75 engines but was to be fitted with the Orendo for another 30% more power. It was capable of reaching sixty thousand feet and it is believed it was possible to launch satellites into orbit. The USAF contracted AVRO to build them a flying saucer. They didn't ask Boeing or McDonnell or Douglas. When the AVRO project was canceled all that talent dispersed to NASA and put a man on the moon, built the SR71 Blackbird, and the Concorde. Ya, we Canadians are still a bit miffed about the lost opportunity by short sighted politicians.
@@scallywag6768 1. It was the captured Nazi scientists, CAL Tech, and Jack Parsons of JPL who helped but a man on the moon.....not the AVRO corporation. Hello??? I am sure AVRO guys helped out though. 2. ALSO you guys keep forgetting a very basic fact....the Arrow was just an interceptor...nothing more. It was only designed to get from point A to point B...a Military concept that was already obsolete when the Arrow was being constructed. The Arrow was not capable of dog fighting with other jet aircraft such as the MIG-15, MIG-21,the American F-4 Phantom, the RAF Buccaneer, the French Dassault, etc, etc. 3. "I don't know where you get your information"???? How about the INTERNET and HISTORY??? Try a dose of Reality for a change instead of resorting to sour grapes emotion and national jingoism. HERE is some "information" for you: th-cam.com/video/D7WCDuCcyU4/w-d-xo.html I think you will see that the Arrow, while impressive was not the amazing plane you Canadians have mythologized it into.
@@maninthewilderness5795 Canada didn't have any captured Nazi engineers. The US did. Most of the engineers were British. The Arrow was an interceptor, not a fighter It's purpose was to stop USSR bombers over the Arctic as opposed to major Canadian and American cities. Avro was leading the world in advancing aviation. You can deny all you want but it doesn't change facts.
@@scallywag6768 I am glad the Arrow was canceled because if they had Canadians with your IQ flying them it would have been a disaster waiting to happen in the skies.
Hugh McKechnie was the Photographer of the Avro Arrow.
We did some experimental engineering in college with the arrow. With a modern engine and titanium airframe,fly by wire etc.. we could get mach 3.5 air superiority fighter. Pretty good for a 1960 design.
Mach 3.5 flight is, for all intents, wildly impractical - especially for military aircraft.
project cancelled 1957. 1953 design
@@raynus1160 you do know about the sr-71 right? that thing had nothing on it but cameras.
@@eric4369
Before the SR-71, there was the A-12. Between the A-12 and the SR-71, there was the YF-12. In 1965, three YF-12's were tested as Mach 3 interceptors. They were armed with three GAR-9 long range A2A missiles, directed by a very advanced (for the day) AN/ASG-18 doppler fire control system.
Although fast and proven capable in BVR engagements, the aircraft took a considerable amount of time to pre-flight, had to refuel once airborne, took even more time post-flight to service, and had very limited ability to maneuver (the blackbirds operated at an altitude that prevented anything more than gentle turns and almost no G-loading - their airframes were limited to 2.5g). All of which add up to 'wildly impractical' as military aircraft, save strategic recce - which satellite and drone technology has handily covered.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YF-12
@@raynus1160 The blackbird didn't need to g load or turn, it was so fast that anything locked on to it ran out of juice before it could catch up. all it had to do was cruise and take pictures. That is anything but "wildly impractical." It accomplished things that would have been close to impossible without them. Yes it was a bitch and a half to turn them around for another mission, that was however nullified by adding more blackbirds to the fleet.
Obviously things are different today with drones and satellites. I don't think anyone would argue with you there. Oddly enough the Avro Arrow would have been able to intercept the blackbird if it was ever completed. It also could have taken on a similar role, it had a variety of packages that could be swapped out in its belly. One of them was a camera package. Plus it was gonna be able to fly at 60 thousand feet+. Granted that was a bit lower and it would have been a bit slower than the blackbird.
nice aerial bits . . thanks for sharing them
Rare footage of aircraft 201 in dayglow livery. 201 was damaged in a landing accident on June 11, 1958 and didn't fly again until October 5th.
It was also the first (and last) Arrow to fly.
Who can I contact for use of this footage?
An all Canadian hero.
How dare POLITICS kill such
a legendary plan!!!!! ✈
Not just politics, but also manipulative American industry that enticed the Canadian Govt. to kill the Avro Arrow. If we did decide to build a new better Arrow, even the Super Arrow jet fighter, I bet the US will try to find a way to shut down production some way or another.
@@InsaneHunter01 sad but true..🤔
They didn't want Canadians to have jobs
someone needs to digitally remaster this footage
The world lost out when this got cancelled
I can see a bigger version as a passenger jet
We don't need a new jet ...We need someone in office with balls and buy back what we sold out on years ago Canadian design and know how Then we can get started And i bet you we would have something no other has...atlease a few years
They should build these jets,to build jobs make 🇨🇦 strong again
yes i was a proud canadian back than fastest plane for 30 years united states still asn,tmastered this engineering marvel
@@frankpeters935 Arrow was ever the fastest airplane?
We was robbed
Seems to me the movie about this awesome aircraft/project revitalized a lot of interest and created many a new fans. Praying the Left/Treudeau is soon replaced by the Right and that the new Canadian leaders build the Super Arrow!🙏🇺🇸👍
I feel it would help create numerous jobs across Canada, create a stronger sense of National Pride/Unite Canadians, create prosperity/strong economy and spread over-all joy, strength and happiness.
I think the left?liberal governmnet made this plane and the right conservative government cancelled it if I'm not correct.
@@terryjackson9055 the left and the right have both changed also it was America that made us scrap it
@@mrtortoise3766 it was a conservative PM catering to the west and got suked into thinking Bomarcs were better
@@kincardinepair1442 I don’t care who or why it happened just that it did happen
@@mrtortoise3766 yes that is the truth of it
The reason the arrow was scuttled but not forgotten. Was because it would have created to much of a weapons gap between east and west.
no it was because the Conservative PM did not see the value in being number one in aeronautics
no it was scuttled by united states too much of a gap between canada and united states.united states was jealous
@@kincardinepair1442 We wouldn't have been. The Arrow was outdated.
@@JP-fq5zj at the time it was ahead of its time and like every other remarkable invention it would have continued to adapt to the changing times But since the CPC could only as far ahead as the next election this was not to be
@@kincardinepair1442 Adapt how? It was basically designed to be useless as anything other than an interceptor. The F-4 Phantom was leagues better and flew only two months after the Arrow first did. Neverminded how mad the Army and the Navy were getting at all the money being wasted on it.
XB-70's baby brother.
Most experts have already proven that the Arrow was too expensive, too complicated, too impractical, and too OVERRATED to be put into production. The British Electric Lighting, the Danish Sabb Drakken, and the French Dassault Mirage had higher and more efficient Service Ceiling performance than the Avro Arrow.
I don't know where you are getting your information from. The truth is after WW2, Avro by accident had the brightest aeronautical engineers in the world. The Arrow was the most advanced jet interceptor in the world. It was fly by wire in 1957. It met or exceeded all RCAF specifications. It was capable of mach 2 with the Pratt and Whitney J75 engines but was to be fitted with the Orendo for another 30% more power. It was capable of reaching sixty thousand feet and it is believed it was possible to launch satellites into orbit. The USAF contracted AVRO to build them a flying saucer. They didn't ask Boeing or McDonnell or Douglas. When the AVRO project was canceled all that talent dispersed to NASA and put a man on the moon, built the SR71 Blackbird, and the Concorde. Ya, we Canadians are still a bit miffed about the lost opportunity by short sighted politicians.
@@scallywag6768
1. It was the captured Nazi scientists, CAL Tech, and Jack Parsons of JPL who helped but a man on the moon.....not the AVRO corporation. Hello??? I am sure AVRO guys helped out though.
2. ALSO you guys keep forgetting a very basic fact....the Arrow was just an interceptor...nothing more. It was only designed to get from point A to point B...a Military concept that was already obsolete when the Arrow was being constructed. The Arrow was not capable of dog fighting with other jet aircraft such as the MIG-15, MIG-21,the American F-4 Phantom, the RAF Buccaneer, the French Dassault, etc, etc.
3. "I don't know where you get your information"???? How about the INTERNET and HISTORY??? Try a dose of Reality for a change instead of resorting to sour grapes emotion and national jingoism.
HERE is some "information" for you: th-cam.com/video/D7WCDuCcyU4/w-d-xo.html
I think you will see that the Arrow, while impressive was not the amazing plane you Canadians have mythologized it into.
@@maninthewilderness5795 Canada didn't have any captured Nazi engineers. The US did. Most of the engineers were British. The Arrow was an interceptor, not a fighter
It's purpose was to stop USSR bombers over the Arctic as opposed to major Canadian and American cities. Avro was leading the world in advancing aviation. You can deny all you want but it doesn't change facts.
Do some more research and educate yourself on the contribution made by ex AVRO engineers to NASA and putting Armstrong on the moon.
@@scallywag6768 I am glad the Arrow was canceled because if they had Canadians with your IQ flying them it would have been a disaster waiting to happen in the skies.
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