@@SamsTrains I'm a little disappointed you left out the fact of history that this locomotive based on the real engine with the name class that's the original Thomas
I think the way this loco has been designed fits with the Pi/Light Railway Store ethos of customisation with etches and transfers to create the loco you want. This is somewhat a release for "modellers"
I have the plain black version of this loco and I just love it. No quality issues for me apart from there being a loose screw from under the side tank in the ice cube. The amount of detail is exactly right, no silly fragility, lovely and heavy, runs fine, metal main parts and a flywheel for 130 quid, shows the naked greed of the larger manufacturers. The more smaller manufacturers the merrier. Very harsh on the detail and quality scores, very harsh indeed, both worth an extra mark (3.5) easily. Best all-round loco I've come accross for a long time.
I totally agree. The amount of detail on this very plain industrial loco is just right, I get fed up with picking up a loco and watching bits break or drop off. Performance is superb. I love mine.
Most people who'd buy this locomotive would probably do super detailing on it and it seems that the mechanism is what makes this an awesome model for a shelf layout
For an industrial loco, the paint 'splatters' could be claimed as authentic because even now, the cleanest of industrial locos on heritage railways can have soot splatters on the boiler which are stubborn to remove and sometimes don't come off at all.
To me, this is near perfect. I can more than forgive the basic detail and minor quality issues given that it is a great performer and also reasonably priced. Is this not exactly what many modellers have been crying out for? Well done PI!
Seeing something perform that well after the year of faulty motors and poor pickups was very refreshing. Aesthetically pleasing, but not something in my realm of interest. I do think calling out the lack of interior valve gear detail was unfair, given that this engine is a two cylinder, outside geared engine. If it had been something like a King class (4-cylinder engine with two in between the frames) that call would have been much fairer. Maybe there is something that they could have modeled in there, but certainly not valve gear. Great review as always.
Have to say this looks like the perfect loco for if you want to detail and customise it to your own liking. Like adding screw link couplings, letter/ number transfers, weathering, lamps ect. I know you could do that with any loco but this one seems like a perfect starting point
To be honest, £130 for this is a pretty good price considering the slight paint and fitment discrepancies and basic lining, for me the colour makes up for that. For being the companies first ready to run model I'm pretty impressed by it, I'd happily run it on my layout if I had one. I might just buy one for display purposes if I can't get what I want for my birthday.
For sure! I think the price is perfectly reasonable for what you get... and it's hard to put a price on a perfect performer! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think the paint could be down to a one off (hopefully) but that performance really puts high end manufacture locos to shame, Hornby and Bachman better watch out
I'm honest for 130£ in 2022 it's very impressive for me. Industrial locomotives are always so interesting. The packaging looks good, the locomotive and the accessories as well. The fact that builder's plates are here, eventhough they are not that impressive, is very good. The small nicks in quality and detail is fine to me. The individual glazing on the back windows is very good unlike more expensive locomotives sometimes and the window guards as well. Just a shame that it doesn't have coal pre fitted. The performance is outstanding it puts quite a lot of more expensive manufacturers to shame. For the price, metal construction and performance definately a manufacturer I would consider buying from. Great review, Sam 👍👍
The ROD was the Railway Operating Division Sam. Another TH-camr always says, "department". I bought the IW&D loco in grey and a ROD loco in black (the correct colour), both from Rails who also sell them. The ROD is a rails exclusive. I don't have any quality issues on my two models but one coupling screw was a little loose out of the box on one model, so I just tightened it. As PI usually do kits, I thnk they said in an early video that they didn't want to add too much deail so people could easily personalise their models, hence three models with plain liveries. I like that there isn't coal because I hate seeing plastic coal. I would much rather add my own realistic looking coal. Both of mine ran extremely well, even before running in. I am impressed with them and I have had only postive comments on the model from my films.
haha yeah I knew that was wrong - realised while I was editing! The "locomotive.fandom" website which has a page on the Kerr Stuart says "Department" which is why others may be calling it that at the moment.... oops! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I can't imagine the logistics of bringing a locomotive to market. Design, building all the components, finishing, packaging, tooling, marketing... It's a scenario I wouldn't even dare to enter into. Quality control issues aside, this was a fine effort. Well done.
Relaxing again Sam as per usual, and a very fair review. Us being new into the hobby on AC 3-rail H0 continental it is here on your channel that we are learning all about British steamers. Planet Industrials have done a fine job we thought. The tiny visual slipups here and there aren’t really troubling for that price tbh; they are of course minor points for improvements. Most of all, she runs reliably steady, can do an extraordinary crawl, and electrofrogs will most certainly solve the problem of stalling on points. We have little knowledge about British locos, but we imagine some extra details could be added by DIY, e.g. running numbers, a logo, etc. Well done for them, and a solid review again Sam. Cheerio.
There really needs to be a place for more solidly-built, reasonably priced locos such as this. Detail may not be perfect but as long as it's a good runner and the price makes ownership attainable, I'm all for it.
Glad to see this review come up! I've gotten the ROD version exclusive to Rails of Sheffield, a very nice model especially considering it is PIs first RTR venture! They mention on one of the forums to add a very small amount of oil to the motor bearings, that should decrease mech noise significantly. Mine had the same noise and that suggestion definitely improved it.
Thanks for the review Sam. I have the green liveried Victory and am very pleased. She is a real workhorse. You mention the desirability of more small, industrial tank locos. I wonder if any manufacturer will produce an 0-4-0F - an Andrew Barclay prototype would be the obvious choice as Barclay produced more fireless locos than any other UK builder.
this reminds me of the tri-ang 0-4-0 you fixed on the last episode of salvage or scrap, but in a good way: it's a fairly simple, durable model with lots of die cast, that can take a beating and serve for years and years. I think it's designed for the same niche in the market as those fairly simple tri-ang locos were, but with a modern mechanism for great performance. edit: it also occurred to me that, as a kit manufacturer they probably also expect their fan-base to want to repaint their locos into a custom livery anyway, so they are less concerned about high gloss paint if they expect people to repaint or weather it.
A big fat industrial tank engine! I love it. If Planet are still around in a three or four years (and they deserve to be) when I retire and have time to build a new layout, this will be on my list!
Nice little loco Sam, re the lack of detail, its an industrial loco they were fairly bland other than a couple of oil cans on the footplate and lining may not evenhave been applied also no vacuum brake equipment show. This model appears to have an excellent chassis and motor.
Nice review of a lovely model. Don't be too hard on it for a lack of detail because the prototype was very lacking in bits anyway! I'm impressed for a manufacturers first attempt!
I think this is brilliant. You get a quality metal body and a great mechanism. Buy them in nice plain colour liveries and customise them how you want with decals. And not too expensive. A very tantalising offer.
I have only just discovered this review, as it was prior to my discovery of your channel and subscribing. It confirms my decision to buy one, I have the plain black ,which avoids the problem of paint bleed. I am definitely more in favour of good operation and less concerned with fine details (which are less obvious when a train is running. ) Please keep up the good work .
I did notice on the line drawing supplied, that the length appears to be measured from a set of dumb buffers. I think the dumb buffers are just visible in the ex-works photo lineup.
This model is right up my alley because I value performance over detail. This might be the best performer of the year given it’s small size and low cost
Just received my green version. Absolutely fantastic model and a brilliant runner, well done PI. Sam I think you were very, very harsh on this occasion. I would give this loco at least 4 for both detail and quality.
Cheers Sam, I watched this one when it came out, but I thought I'd just add a comment now. I was a little on the fence about the Victory at the time, but your review pretty well swung it for me. The quality of the mechanism and some of the features (such as inclusion of speaker and axle bearings) were most important to me, so I thought I'd wait until Warley to check out the loco for myself. I visited the PI stand, looked at the plain black and lined grey versions and loved each of them so much that I bought them both. I'm very happy to say that none of the issues you flagged up seem to be present on either of the examples I got. I'm happy to support PI as Stephen and James both seem like decent chaps - I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with next. James's book "Small Layout Design Handbook" is lovely too and has been handy in planning a layout for my Victory locos to call home. PS your reviews of other small locos over the past few years helped me decide on picking up a Hattons Barclay and Hornby Peckett W4 as well; both were bargains - thanks 👍
Hi Sam. Really love the performance, but my preference would be for more detail (later models, perhaps). Light Railway Stores are selling them at £130! (Good choice of livery!)
Sam you did it again found another good bargain! At first I thought very plain not much in details. But your review changed my mind. Very well made engine and worth the price.Thanks Sam for another great video and deal .
Just like Oxford's first loco that is another proof that excellence can be even on reasonable cost and even on first one. Sure it si no perfection but definitively a promising direction. Hope this company keeps this spirit going.
There is a small town close to where I live that has a engine that looks nearly identical to this one. Before you said they were all scrapped I thought it was the same one. Keep up the great work!
yes, love it. it is rare to see a perfectly smooth loco. want one just for shunting, no bashed up cargo here, that coupling was perfect. thank you for bringing this to my attention, it's on the want one list take care thanks Roy
As someone who is of the opinion you can have as much detail as you like but if it doesn't perform its not worth the money I love this model and it will be added to my collection at Christmas if I can find one. You can always up detail but you can't do much with a bad mechanism
Hi Sam, A fair review and spot on ratings. Far from perfect but the performance, pulling power and slow running are just impressive on DC. The ideal shunter - industrial workhorse ? I agree with other comments that this loco is a good base to add details, lights, decals etc. The excessive - as noticed in other video's - gear noise reflects QC issues. It screams for a drop of oil and heavy weathering ! But not bad for a first including the provision to easy fit a DCC sound decoder. Will it have a place in your 'all time' best locomotives ? Cheers, Filip
The 2 locomotives at Newport Docks never went far from their home shed. They never needed vacuum pipes, or steam heat either. A lot of modellers are awaiting the Great Western version of the model (me included). I think Planet have got it pretty spot-on.
Hey Sam, I enjoyed your review on the new Planet Industrials Kerr Stuart Victory model locomotive. It is such a good model to run because of its mechanism and its price reasonable. I would definitely buy this model. By the way, I have sent you an email earlier and I did not hear anything from you Sam.
Nice little engine. It would look a lot better numbered and weathered. Being an industrial engine, it would be subject to staining by dirt, oil, cinders, and smuts. If an NCB engine, then dirt and coal dust. I like the cut of this model's jib. All business. Would look great pulling big loads on Warflats, Lowmacs, and Weltrols. Good review. Thank you.
This is by far the best gearing I've ever seen on an industrial locomotive! As lovely as the Hornby pecketts are they're ridiculously fast, the B2 especially. Another great review Sam 😄
@@SamsTrains Agreed. See what German manufacturers do. My Brawa BR 57, a 0-10-0 german freight tender engine, runs slower at full throttle than most of my UK engines at half throttle ! Worst case scenario, the 94xx by Bachmann, HST-like speed for an heavy shunting engine... By chance, my Dapol N gauge class 35, 27 and 22 are not overspeeding.
It is interesting that the engine has a Belpaire firebox. This is unusual for an industrial locomotive because it costs more to build than a round top design and it also prevents the loco from having saddle tanks. It was probably built to the higher standard because they were being built for the government. Of the 4 pre-grouping companies, only the LNER didn't use the Belpaire design on their standard designs and actually replaced Belpaire with round topped types. The other companies used them because of the greater efficiency in boiling water so although there was a higher first cost, this was paid back by either more efficient generation of steam and or the ability to produce more power.
i ended up buying one of these for a very different reason, The strausburg railroad here in the US has their own version of thomas the tank engine and this model seems like a perfect basis to try and model that version of thomas
This is a lovely model, thanks for bringing it to wider attention. A very credible foray into RTR for Planet Industrial, and it should do very well indeed. A tiny point of order, though; its lack of working lights was highlighted - but the prototype hadn't any illumination of any description (apart from the firebox glow!).
Sam, you must be unlucky. The paint finish on mine is very good, no marks, no bleed, no glue, no nothing! Detail? Looking at a photo of the real thing shows the model has all the detail I need. I don’t need a glowing firebox for instance but I will agree with you on the lack of coupling chains front and rear. Noisy mech? Mine is as silent as a lamb, no noise at all. Performance? Agreed, probably the best in my stud, no slip, no hesitation and a realistic running speed. 110% on that. Overall, I love it, good value.
I enjoy the shots where you have the camera follow alongside the model. I find that much easier to see the working connecting rods (and such) when compared to having the camera stationary as the model moves by.
Hi Sam. Certainly a lovely runner. Maybe some synthetic model train grease on all the cogs and moving parts etc. will reduce the noise, as you don't run on DCC. However, it will probably spend most of its life in storage, along with all your other redundant locos. 😀 Cheers, Paul. 👍 P.S. They do a grey version with lettering down the sides if you are seeking a more aesthetically pleasing look.
I will be getting one of these! I can add fine detail, rectify the paint/ glue problems and give it a satin varnish prior to weathering. I can do all this in an afternoon but sorting a poor chassis design and poor running that this causes is beyond me. The slow running and power make it a no brainer.
I saw your review on the Busy Bee James, and I saw it again in your recent locomotive video, and I thought it might peak your interest that the Denver and Rio Grande narrow gauge had a paint scheme they called the Bumble Bee, C-16 2-8-0 #268 on display in Colorado wears that paint scheme, I'll send you a picture sometime if you'd like
I’ve got the red one too, I love it TBH even though I missed the preorder and had to pay the full whack. Gonna fit the sandboxes and steps and a few tool boxes and the builders plates and I’ve got some name plates ordered. Mine doesn’t have this paint faults or glue marks yours does but it still has the wobbly whistle, the safety valves weren’t glued on mine so I could correct the initially wonky position.
If you had got it pre ordered they offered customerations for it they offered coal load fitting weathering nameplates and crew painting. I went with the coal fitting weathering and nameplates which only put it up.I think £20 above the asking price for it at the RRP
@@TheSteamdriver was the weathering of particularly good quality? For good weathering, additional nameplates and painted crew that seems like a lot of painting for £20
@@zamzawed5963 I am sorry it took so long to get back to you I was trying to upload a photo of it that I screenshoted of it. As I don't have it yet but my model is in one of there posts on Facebook and I have to say from what I have seen it looks fantastic. I will have to update this comment when I get it so I can tell you what it's like in the flesh
Nice review of another lovely industrial loco type as always Sam! Would you ever consider buying one of Hatton's O gauge Pacifics now that they're, at a pretty remarkable, £299?
I quite like the simplicity of the loco. I am 16 years old and getting money needs time. I much prefer having an engine with less detail but better mechanism and performance if it brings the price down. The same goes for that DCC stuff (new fangled nonsense). I am also really interested in what Planet-industrials next loco will be.
Running at the speed shown here, this engine REALLY looks prototypical - and the very controllable crawling speeds (essential in a shunter!) also help to make it 'look the part'. Granted the detail finish is not so hot, but to be honest, most of that could be tidied up relatively easily by a reasonably handy modeller - unlike the far more serious failing on the Fell loco, for example, fixing which would be beyond the capabilities of most people.
Hi Sam Great review as always. Yeah I did purchase one, the Grey one which does have more lining on it so it does look less plain than the red one. the only quality issue I have is one of the wheels has lost the center pieces as they appear to be separately fitted parts & its completely missing. otherwise no paint bleed anywhere from what I can see, runs well. I would definitely like to try out another one, as a first go at RTR models they did a good job. no crazy design flaws like the oxford radial tanks anyway. thanks for the review Sam, looking forward to the next one :)
Very impressive model. Performs better than any of the 8 Hornby/Bachmann Gronks I've got. I'm going to get one. The secondary assembly of small plastic parts leaves something to be desired, but doesn't bother me.
Love this little engine, but as a basic modeller in my 70's, have allways preferred 'basic' or railroad locos, I don't do DCC, nor do I want detail cab interiors, (unless I was 18mm tall!) sprung buffers, lights, sound etc., so if this was availiable under £100 I might get one, but it has power and good performence and running qualities, thanks for the review.
I have the plain black version which doesn't - for obvious reasons - have any issues with poor paintwork. The lack of numbers, couplings or coal in the bunker isn't an issue for me as it's my intension to fully personalise the loco. Overall, an excellent model.
As Paul C has quite rightly commented, the imperfections highlighted can be forgiven, in view of the excellent performance (man, that crawl!) and very reasonable price. An excellent debut from PI! I might well get one, as long as they haven't all sold out. All credit to PI if they have. Best, Pete.
Looks like a great candidate for anyone into weathering, as it has no fancy paint work that would be covered up. Would work well in an industrial diorama, esp as it's such a good slow runner. As a first RTR model, they've got the basics right, at (as you said) a good price. Nice one PI.👍
Nice looking locomotive here Sam, not one I have on my list due to not being that much into industrial locomotives, I haven’t found much information about these online.
I feel this is unfortunate for Planet Industrials but does show that they haven't cherry picked a model for you. I have the same red example and there are no paint blemishes at all. Every separately fitted part is fine. I also have the absolutely stunning, excessively decorated grey version (I'm surprised that it isn't being reviewed as grey tank engine has Sam's trains written all over it) and again is completely free of any blemish. However, both are noisy, particularly the red one in reverse. Of course, you can only review what you receive.
Glad to hear yours was perfect for you! Yes I am regretting not trying the grey version... thought red would make a nice change but think I made the wrong call! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
2.5/5 for detail? 2.5/5 for quality?? and 4/5 for value??? considering this is a new manufacturer and this is their first ready 2 run locomotive, it has already beaten Bachmann and Hornby with the features of a die-cast body, detailed cab, and a robust mechanism that actually works. sure the paintwork wasnt 100% with most of it being a blank canvas (not a bad thing!) and a few separately fitted parts were on strike but its early days for Planet industrials who, I'm sure will rectify these minor problems with their next model. detail is realistically more on a grade 3.5 or 4/5 just because of the cab and decently painted safety valves, also quality is more on the level of a 4 and value, at £115/130, is incredible for an 0-6-0 tank in this day and age and should be 4.5/5! this model shouts to all collectors as its ready to run, has room for customisation, is very affordable and DCC ready with speakers already fitted! this model should be the minimum all manufacturers should aim for, but nope, they don't, so I can see Planet Industrials making some hefty profits in the future if they keep this up!! :)
Excellent review, superb model and great value. Yes a excellent first RTR for the company. I quite like the finish, reminds me of a true industrial loco, not flash.
This review has pursuaded me to give this one a try. I'm thinking of the black version, with some LNER transfers as a station shunter for my layout! :) Also, hope to see you at Warley if you're attending this year, I'm only there on Sunday, but looking forward to it! :)
Nice model Sam. I think the noise is probably a symptom of needing a multiple set of gears to achieve the gearing for appropriate low running speed. This invariably imparts a higher degree of backlash overall. I'd take that over an inappropriate rocket ship speed of some of the lower priced Hornby tank locos as this model is likely to spend most of it's time performing shunting duties? Edit: When you first set off after coupling, did you leave half of your train behind Sam? 🤔☺️
Ah, this! I have been eagerly awaiting it for so long. I'm still waiting on mine to arrive due to the chip supply issue and custom plate. Got mine bearing the name of my dear mum to match the plates I got of my dad. For that reason, this video has been one I've eagerly awaited. I'm glad to see that the product I've been waiting on for over a year is a quality model. Its haulage capability is really a breath of fresh air for its price point!
Hey Sam I found the odd one out. It was the terrier?
Cheers Jasper & Willow
It was - well spotted! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That’s was my thought too
Although there were some Terriers sold into industry by the LBSC
Nooo you spoiled it
@@SamsTrains I'm a little disappointed you left out the fact of history that this locomotive based on the real engine with the name class that's the original Thomas
I think the way this loco has been designed fits with the Pi/Light Railway Store ethos of customisation with etches and transfers to create the loco you want. This is somewhat a release for "modellers"
I have the plain black version of this loco and I just love it. No quality issues for me apart from there being a loose screw from under the side tank in the ice cube. The amount of detail is exactly right, no silly fragility, lovely and heavy, runs fine, metal main parts and a flywheel for 130 quid, shows the naked greed of the larger manufacturers. The more smaller manufacturers the merrier. Very harsh on the detail and quality scores, very harsh indeed, both worth an extra mark (3.5) easily. Best all-round loco I've come accross for a long time.
I totally agree. The amount of detail on this very plain industrial loco is just right, I get fed up with picking up a loco and watching bits break or drop off. Performance is superb. I love mine.
Most people who'd buy this locomotive would probably do super detailing on it and it seems that the mechanism is what makes this an awesome model for a shelf layout
A thumbs up from me. Its performance outweighs any minor quality /detailing issues and its at a great price.
the best mechanism ive seen yet! definately puts bachmann and hornby to shame!!
For an industrial loco, the paint 'splatters' could be claimed as authentic because even now, the cleanest of industrial locos on heritage railways can have soot splatters on the boiler which are stubborn to remove and sometimes don't come off at all.
To me, this is near perfect. I can more than forgive the basic detail and minor quality issues given that it is a great performer and also reasonably priced. Is this not exactly what many modellers have been crying out for? Well done PI!
No it should have a bit more detail!! No coal!! No valve gear!! Not for me I'm afraid 😳
Seeing something perform that well after the year of faulty motors and poor pickups was very refreshing. Aesthetically pleasing, but not something in my realm of interest.
I do think calling out the lack of interior valve gear detail was unfair, given that this engine is a two cylinder, outside geared engine. If it had been something like a King class (4-cylinder engine with two in between the frames) that call would have been much fairer. Maybe there is something that they could have modeled in there, but certainly not valve gear.
Great review as always.
Have to say this looks like the perfect loco for if you want to detail and customise it to your own liking. Like adding screw link couplings, letter/ number transfers, weathering, lamps ect. I know you could do that with any loco but this one seems like a perfect starting point
It's a good blank slate for possible weathering projects too.
Agreed. Very versatile in that respect.
Why would you put screw couplings on an industrial loco? Only necessary for hauling passenger stock, wagons had 3 link chain couplings.
To be honest, £130 for this is a pretty good price considering the slight paint and fitment discrepancies and basic lining, for me the colour makes up for that. For being the companies first ready to run model I'm pretty impressed by it, I'd happily run it on my layout if I had one. I might just buy one for display purposes if I can't get what I want for my birthday.
For sure! I think the price is perfectly reasonable for what you get... and it's hard to put a price on a perfect performer!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think the paint could be down to a one off (hopefully) but that performance really puts high end manufacture locos to shame, Hornby and Bachman better watch out
It has a good chance to go up against the big players in the hobby.
I'm honest for 130£ in 2022 it's very impressive for me. Industrial locomotives are always so interesting. The packaging looks good, the locomotive and the accessories as well. The fact that builder's plates are here, eventhough they are not that impressive, is very good. The small nicks in quality and detail is fine to me. The individual glazing on the back windows is very good unlike more expensive locomotives sometimes and the window guards as well. Just a shame that it doesn't have coal pre fitted. The performance is outstanding it puts quite a lot of more expensive manufacturers to shame. For the price, metal construction and performance definately a manufacturer I would consider buying from. Great review, Sam 👍👍
Because of the 5 stars you gave for the performance and mechanism Sam, I think we can forgive the little faux pas' of the others. Lovely little loco.
I appreciate how much research has gone in to providing the detailed prototype history nice to see
The ROD was the Railway Operating Division Sam. Another TH-camr always says, "department". I bought the IW&D loco in grey and a ROD loco in black (the correct colour), both from Rails who also sell them. The ROD is a rails exclusive. I don't have any quality issues on my two models but one coupling screw was a little loose out of the box on one model, so I just tightened it. As PI usually do kits, I thnk they said in an early video that they didn't want to add too much deail so people could easily personalise their models, hence three models with plain liveries. I like that there isn't coal because I hate seeing plastic coal. I would much rather add my own realistic looking coal. Both of mine ran extremely well, even before running in. I am impressed with them and I have had only postive comments on the model from my films.
haha yeah I knew that was wrong - realised while I was editing! The "locomotive.fandom" website which has a page on the Kerr Stuart says "Department" which is why others may be calling it that at the moment.... oops!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I can't imagine the logistics of bringing a locomotive to market. Design, building all the components, finishing, packaging, tooling, marketing...
It's a scenario I wouldn't even dare to enter into.
Quality control issues aside, this was a fine effort.
Well done.
Relaxing again Sam as per usual, and a very fair review. Us being new into the hobby on AC 3-rail H0 continental it is here on your channel that we are learning all about British steamers. Planet Industrials have done a fine job we thought. The tiny visual slipups here and there aren’t really troubling for that price tbh; they are of course minor points for improvements. Most of all, she runs reliably steady, can do an extraordinary crawl, and electrofrogs will most certainly solve the problem of stalling on points. We have little knowledge about British locos, but we imagine some extra details could be added by DIY, e.g. running numbers, a logo, etc. Well done for them, and a solid review again Sam. Cheerio.
Mechanically sound, solidly built, good runner, really good price and bits don’t fall off it every time you pick it up. What a great little loco.
There really needs to be a place for more solidly-built, reasonably priced locos such as this. Detail may not be perfect but as long as it's a good runner and the price makes ownership attainable, I'm all for it.
Glad to see this review come up! I've gotten the ROD version exclusive to Rails of Sheffield, a very nice model especially considering it is PIs first RTR venture! They mention on one of the forums to add a very small amount of oil to the motor bearings, that should decrease mech noise significantly. Mine had the same noise and that suggestion definitely improved it.
Thanks for the review Sam. I have the green liveried Victory and am very pleased. She is a real workhorse. You mention the desirability of more small, industrial tank locos. I wonder if any manufacturer will produce an 0-4-0F - an Andrew Barclay prototype would be the obvious choice as Barclay produced more fireless locos than any other UK builder.
this reminds me of the tri-ang 0-4-0 you fixed on the last episode of salvage or scrap, but in a good way: it's a fairly simple, durable model with lots of die cast, that can take a beating and serve for years and years. I think it's designed for the same niche in the market as those fairly simple tri-ang locos were, but with a modern mechanism for great performance.
edit: it also occurred to me that, as a kit manufacturer they probably also expect their fan-base to want to repaint their locos into a custom livery anyway, so they are less concerned about high gloss paint if they expect people to repaint or weather it.
i think for a new company it's certainly impressed us with this new loco. i really want this for christmas. have a good week sam cheers :)
A big fat industrial tank engine! I love it. If Planet are still around in a three or four years (and they deserve to be) when I retire and have time to build a new layout, this will be on my list!
Nice little loco Sam, re the lack of detail, its an industrial loco they were fairly bland other than a couple of oil cans on the footplate and lining may not evenhave been applied also no vacuum brake equipment show.
This model appears to have an excellent chassis and motor.
Nice review of a lovely model. Don't be too hard on it for a lack of detail because the prototype was very lacking in bits anyway! I'm impressed for a manufacturers first attempt!
I think this is brilliant. You get a quality metal body and a great mechanism. Buy them in nice plain colour liveries and customise them how you want with decals. And not too expensive. A very tantalising offer.
I have only just discovered this review, as it was prior to my discovery of your channel and subscribing.
It confirms my decision to buy one, I have the plain black ,which avoids the problem of paint bleed.
I am definitely more in favour of good operation and less concerned with fine details (which are less obvious when a train is running. )
Please keep up the good work .
I did notice on the line drawing supplied, that the length appears to be measured from a set of dumb buffers. I think the dumb buffers are just visible in the ex-works photo lineup.
This model is right up my alley because I value performance over detail. This might be the best performer of the year given it’s small size and low cost
Just received my green version. Absolutely fantastic model and a brilliant runner, well done PI. Sam I think you were very, very harsh on this occasion. I would give this loco at least 4 for both detail and quality.
Hi Sam, Yes nice little engine, I hope things go well for them, All the best Brian 😃
Cheers Sam, I watched this one when it came out, but I thought I'd just add a comment now. I was a little on the fence about the Victory at the time, but your review pretty well swung it for me. The quality of the mechanism and some of the features (such as inclusion of speaker and axle bearings) were most important to me, so I thought I'd wait until Warley to check out the loco for myself. I visited the PI stand, looked at the plain black and lined grey versions and loved each of them so much that I bought them both. I'm very happy to say that none of the issues you flagged up seem to be present on either of the examples I got. I'm happy to support PI as Stephen and James both seem like decent chaps - I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with next. James's book "Small Layout Design Handbook" is lovely too and has been handy in planning a layout for my Victory locos to call home.
PS your reviews of other small locos over the past few years helped me decide on picking up a Hattons Barclay and Hornby Peckett W4 as well; both were bargains - thanks 👍
Hi Sam. Really love the performance, but my preference would be for more detail (later models, perhaps). Light Railway Stores are selling them at £130! (Good choice of livery!)
Sam you did it again found another good bargain! At first I thought very plain not much in details. But your review changed my mind. Very well made engine and worth the price.Thanks Sam for another great video and deal .
Just like Oxford's first loco that is another proof that excellence can be even on reasonable cost and even on first one.
Sure it si no perfection but definitively a promising direction. Hope this company keeps this spirit going.
Agreed. They did a really good job here, and the price is right. They have found their market, and this one is a must-have in my opinion.
Great view on this cute model!!
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There is a small town close to where I live that has a engine that looks nearly identical to this one. Before you said they were all scrapped I thought it was the same one. Keep up the great work!
yes, love it. it is rare to see a perfectly smooth loco. want one just for shunting, no bashed up cargo here, that coupling was perfect. thank you for bringing this to my attention, it's on the want one list
take care
thanks Roy
Red and Black really beautiful colour combo love it
Gotta love a new manufacturer - let's hope they settle in and hold their own amongst the big boys (ooo-err!).
hi sam. great video. my Wrenn n2 doesnt have much detail as well, but its brilliant,
As someone who is of the opinion you can have as much detail as you like but if it doesn't perform its not worth the money I love this model and it will be added to my collection at Christmas if I can find one. You can always up detail but you can't do much with a bad mechanism
Really like the design and shape of this engine, its cute.
I am quite a fan of outside cylinder locos and Kerr Stuart locos, very cool review
Hi Sam, A fair review and spot on ratings. Far from perfect but the performance, pulling power and slow running are just impressive on DC. The ideal shunter - industrial workhorse ? I agree with other comments that this loco is a good base to add details, lights, decals etc. The excessive - as noticed in other video's - gear noise reflects QC issues. It screams for a drop of oil and heavy weathering ! But not bad for a first including the provision to easy fit a DCC sound decoder. Will it have a place in your 'all time' best locomotives ? Cheers, Filip
The 2 locomotives at Newport Docks never went far from their home shed. They never needed vacuum pipes, or steam heat either. A lot of modellers are awaiting the Great Western version of the model (me included). I think Planet have got it pretty spot-on.
Hey Sam, I enjoyed your review on the new Planet Industrials Kerr Stuart Victory model locomotive. It is such a good model to run because of its mechanism and its price reasonable. I would definitely buy this model. By the way, I have sent you an email earlier and I did not hear anything from you Sam.
Nice little engine. It would look a lot better numbered and weathered. Being an industrial engine, it would be subject to staining by dirt, oil, cinders, and smuts. If an NCB engine, then dirt and coal dust. I like the cut of this model's jib. All business. Would look great pulling big loads on Warflats, Lowmacs, and Weltrols.
Good review. Thank you.
This is by far the best gearing I've ever seen on an industrial locomotive! As lovely as the Hornby pecketts are they're ridiculously fast, the B2 especially.
Another great review Sam 😄
It is isn't it?? Why oh why don't more manufacturers do this? It makes SUCH a difference!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Agreed. See what German manufacturers do. My Brawa BR 57, a 0-10-0 german freight tender engine, runs slower at full throttle than most of my UK engines at half throttle ! Worst case scenario, the 94xx by Bachmann, HST-like speed for an heavy shunting engine... By chance, my Dapol N gauge class 35, 27 and 22 are not overspeeding.
I like this Sam. Very interesting :)
It is interesting that the engine has a Belpaire firebox. This is unusual for an industrial locomotive because it costs more to build than a round top design and it also prevents the loco from having saddle tanks. It was probably built to the higher standard because they were being built for the government. Of the 4 pre-grouping companies, only the LNER didn't use the Belpaire design on their standard designs and actually replaced Belpaire with round topped types. The other companies used them because of the greater efficiency in boiling water so although there was a higher first cost, this was paid back by either more efficient generation of steam and or the ability to produce more power.
i ended up buying one of these for a very different reason, The strausburg railroad here in the US has their own version of thomas the tank engine and this model seems like a perfect basis to try and model that version of thomas
This is a lovely model, thanks for bringing it to wider attention. A very credible foray into RTR for Planet Industrial, and it should do very well indeed. A tiny point of order, though; its lack of working lights was highlighted - but the prototype hadn't any illumination of any description (apart from the firebox glow!).
This new model train company is spitting in the eyes to the big model train companies, cheers to PI.!!
Sam, you must be unlucky. The paint finish on mine is very good, no marks, no bleed, no glue, no nothing! Detail? Looking at a photo of the real thing shows the model has all the detail I need. I don’t need a glowing firebox for instance but I will agree with you on the lack of coupling chains front and rear. Noisy mech? Mine is as silent as a lamb, no noise at all. Performance? Agreed, probably the best in my stud, no slip, no hesitation and a realistic running speed. 110% on that.
Overall, I love it, good value.
And Sam, I have to agree on the lack of coal in the bunker. What is that all about for heaven’s sake?
I enjoy the shots where you have the camera follow alongside the model. I find that much easier to see the working connecting rods (and such) when compared to having the camera stationary as the model moves by.
Awesome video today Sam beautiful modle might have to get one in the black or grey
Ooh another episode! Here's a comment for the algorithm!
Thank you so much for the support!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains wonderful review, love Watching your reviews! Keep it up!
Hi Sam.
Certainly a lovely runner. Maybe some synthetic model train grease on all the cogs and moving parts etc. will reduce the noise, as you don't run on DCC. However, it will probably spend most of its life in storage, along with all your other redundant locos. 😀
Cheers,
Paul. 👍
P.S. They do a grey version with lettering down the sides if you are seeking a more aesthetically pleasing look.
I will be getting one of these! I can add fine detail, rectify the paint/ glue problems and give it a satin varnish prior to weathering. I can do all this in an afternoon but sorting a poor chassis design and poor running that this causes is beyond me. The slow running and power make it a no brainer.
id consider this a good model for people who arn't as competent with the mechanism but like to paint and customize there engines
I saw your review on the Busy Bee James, and I saw it again in your recent locomotive video, and I thought it might peak your interest that the Denver and Rio Grande narrow gauge had a paint scheme they called the Bumble Bee, C-16 2-8-0 #268 on display in Colorado wears that paint scheme, I'll send you a picture sometime if you'd like
I was so impressed with your revue that I have just bought one.
i think £115 is a steal tbh, i would of happily paid more if i was to get this, great vid Sam
I’ve got the red one too, I love it TBH even though I missed the preorder and had to pay the full whack. Gonna fit the sandboxes and steps and a few tool boxes and the builders plates and I’ve got some name plates ordered. Mine doesn’t have this paint faults or glue marks yours does but it still has the wobbly whistle, the safety valves weren’t glued on mine so I could correct the initially wonky position.
If you had got it pre ordered they offered customerations for it they offered coal load fitting weathering nameplates and crew painting. I went with the coal fitting weathering and nameplates which only put it up.I think £20 above the asking price for it at the RRP
@@TheSteamdriver was the weathering of particularly good quality? For good weathering, additional nameplates and painted crew that seems like a lot of painting for £20
@@zamzawed5963 I am sorry it took so long to get back to you I was trying to upload a photo of it that I screenshoted of it. As I don't have it yet but my model is in one of there posts on Facebook and I have to say from what I have seen it looks fantastic. I will have to update this comment when I get it so I can tell you what it's like in the flesh
@@zamzawed5963 my model turned up today and I have uploaded a video on what I think of the customisations to my channel
Nice review of another lovely industrial loco type as always Sam!
Would you ever consider buying one of Hatton's O gauge Pacifics now that they're, at a pretty remarkable, £299?
Yeah £750 down to £299 or something, I was tempted to get one and i don't even have a 0 gauge layout 🤣🤣
I quite like the simplicity of the loco. I am 16 years old and getting money needs time. I much prefer having an engine with less detail but better mechanism and performance if it brings the price down. The same goes for that DCC stuff (new fangled nonsense). I am also really interested in what Planet-industrials next loco will be.
Sam, can you try a 00 live steam engine some time?
I think the scoring on this one was quite harsh, it could have had 8.5 I think. Quality and detail could have been .3. each.
Running at the speed shown here, this engine REALLY looks prototypical - and the very controllable crawling speeds (essential in a shunter!) also help to make it 'look the part'.
Granted the detail finish is not so hot, but to be honest, most of that could be tidied up relatively easily by a reasonably handy modeller - unlike the far more serious failing on the Fell loco, for example, fixing which would be beyond the capabilities of most people.
Hi Sam
Great review as always. Yeah I did purchase one, the Grey one which does have more lining on it so it does look less plain than the red one. the only quality issue I have is one of the wheels has lost the center pieces as they appear to be separately fitted parts & its completely missing. otherwise no paint bleed anywhere from what I can see, runs well.
I would definitely like to try out another one, as a first go at RTR models they did a good job. no crazy design flaws like the oxford radial tanks anyway.
thanks for the review Sam, looking forward to the next one :)
Very impressive model. Performs better than any of the 8 Hornby/Bachmann Gronks I've got. I'm going to get one. The secondary assembly of small plastic parts leaves something to be desired, but doesn't bother me.
This reminds me a lot of one day out with Thomas’s Thomas engine. It had a flat face that was painted, and had red side rods
Love this little engine, but as a basic modeller in my 70's, have allways preferred 'basic' or railroad locos, I don't do DCC, nor do I want detail cab interiors, (unless I was 18mm tall!) sprung buffers, lights, sound etc., so if this was availiable under £100 I might get one, but it has power and good performence and running qualities, thanks for the review.
Sam do you got a link to the website??
Love the tracking cam.
nice beginer loco you got sam.
i like this pi victory class loco.
it is made of die cast thats a +++ for me.
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I have the plain black version which doesn't - for obvious reasons - have any issues with poor paintwork. The lack of numbers, couplings or coal in the bunker isn't an issue for me as it's my intension to fully personalise the loco. Overall, an excellent model.
Really nice proportions, would like one myself
Fit the detail pack it looks great .the real ones were quite plain and austere.most war period locos were plain locos.
As Paul C has quite rightly commented, the imperfections highlighted can be forgiven, in view of the excellent performance (man, that crawl!) and very reasonable price. An excellent debut from PI! I might well get one, as long as they haven't all sold out. All credit to PI if they have. Best, Pete.
The noise could be caused by an echo caused by the bodyshell if the motor is running a tad noisy
Cute little loco, and awesome review too
also it's not Railway Operating Departement, it's actually Railway Operating Division
Looks like a great candidate for anyone into weathering, as it has no fancy paint work that would be covered up. Would work well in an industrial diorama, esp as it's such a good slow runner.
As a first RTR model, they've got the basics right, at (as you said) a good price. Nice one PI.👍
Nice looking locomotive here Sam, not one I have on my list due to not being that much into industrial locomotives, I haven’t found much information about these online.
Thanks David - that's fair enough - and no, there isn't very much!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I feel this is unfortunate for Planet Industrials but does show that they haven't cherry picked a model for you.
I have the same red example and there are no paint blemishes at all. Every separately fitted part is fine.
I also have the absolutely stunning, excessively decorated grey version (I'm surprised that it isn't being reviewed as grey tank engine has Sam's trains written all over it) and again is completely free of any blemish.
However, both are noisy, particularly the red one in reverse.
Of course, you can only review what you receive.
Glad to hear yours was perfect for you! Yes I am regretting not trying the grey version... thought red would make a nice change but think I made the wrong call!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Mine, the green version, is like yours : no finish problems, and I had looked her with a magnifier to find little bugs, but have seen none.
I have a G scale 1:32 livesteam version! Hope I can get this H0 one in black one day
Evening Sam, just ordered the grey one in their sale at just £99, will let you know how it gets on.
Thanks for the video if it was in a GWR livery I would’ve probably purchased one. Still a nice looking piece of work
2.5/5 for detail? 2.5/5 for quality?? and 4/5 for value??? considering this is a new manufacturer and this is their first ready 2 run locomotive, it has already beaten Bachmann and Hornby with the features of a die-cast body, detailed cab, and a robust mechanism that actually works. sure the paintwork wasnt 100% with most of it being a blank canvas (not a bad thing!) and a few separately fitted parts were on strike but its early days for Planet industrials who, I'm sure will rectify these minor problems with their next model. detail is realistically more on a grade 3.5 or 4/5 just because of the cab and decently painted safety valves, also quality is more on the level of a 4 and value, at £115/130, is incredible for an 0-6-0 tank in this day and age and should be 4.5/5! this model shouts to all collectors as its ready to run, has room for customisation, is very affordable and DCC ready with speakers already fitted! this model should be the minimum all manufacturers should aim for, but nope, they don't, so I can see Planet Industrials making some hefty profits in the future if they keep this up!! :)
My victory runs really well and is really quiet and this is because i got the dcc fitted version for £135 and it was well worth it
Excellent review, superb model and great value. Yes a excellent first RTR for the company. I quite like the finish, reminds me of a true industrial loco, not flash.
Even though the livery is comparatively simple, its cute and elegant. I love it !
I agree - it works doesn't it?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I also think that you can paint on it some more details
clever title there Sam. I plan on purchasing a victory at some point as a background shunter
haha thank you! Sounds good - I can recommend it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This review has pursuaded me to give this one a try. I'm thinking of the black version, with some LNER transfers as a station shunter for my layout! :) Also, hope to see you at Warley if you're attending this year, I'm only there on Sunday, but looking forward to it! :)
Good shout I got the green to do the same with. Squint and google J88 😉
Very nice. I'm tempted by a ROD grey one, although the price is still a bit high for me right now.
Nice model Sam.
I think the noise is probably a symptom of needing a multiple set of gears to achieve the gearing for appropriate low running speed. This invariably imparts a higher degree of backlash overall. I'd take that over an inappropriate rocket ship speed of some of the lower priced Hornby tank locos as this model is likely to spend most of it's time performing shunting duties?
Edit: When you first set off after coupling, did you leave half of your train behind Sam? 🤔☺️
I know Accucraft did the live steam version in gauge 1
As a model of a class of ten locos, none of which were ever fitted with vacuum brakes or lamps why would the model have them?
Lack of prototype knowledge before reviewing a model doesnt help him
Ah, this! I have been eagerly awaiting it for so long. I'm still waiting on mine to arrive due to the chip supply issue and custom plate. Got mine bearing the name of my dear mum to match the plates I got of my dad. For that reason, this video has been one I've eagerly awaited. I'm glad to see that the product I've been waiting on for over a year is a quality model. Its haulage capability is really a breath of fresh air for its price point!
Ahh fingers crossed for a speedy delivery for you! That's lovely, what a nice idea,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I would buy it based on performance and I would make improvements to quality detail 😀