Mormon Stories
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- In today's episode I will provide a brief introduction to the history of Satanic Ritual Abuse Claims Within Mormonism. My intention is to follow up a few more episodes from experts and others who are able/willing to give first-hand accounts relating to this topic.
I'm exjw and Mormon stories is one of my new favorite TH-cams. Thanks for that. This is an important and rarely breached subject.
Ex-Mormon here. It's satanic
Luke so what do you think President Nelson is about. ? leader of the Mormon church.. Thanx
It's not Satanic. Satanism is actually very liberating.
Created by the church of antichrist the Catholic church.
@@joshportie I think I seeing you somewhere?? Jogler66? Bret Norman?? How do you know about the mormon cult?
@E Aboudara that’s actually not true at all. Do more research
I was held down at age five by my aunt and I believe my Grandma was present while my Grandpa had his way with me.i blocked the memories of this situation out of mind for years .I believe this was arranged ahead of time with my parents , I spent my life being abused and neglected I had to rise above horrible circumstances I didn't talk about this for years .I have nothing against the Church I have spent a lifetime overcoming what happened to me.
#metoo. Still Overcoming. Still living with my abusers
You can do this @Nicole Hilton
What did your grandpa do to you?
@@nicolehilton8142 get out of there!!! if you have nowhere to go I can accommodate you
@rebecca. God. In. Heaven.
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I remember back in the day when leaders were railing against rock music all the time. I remember a stake leader saying at a youth fireside that the electric guitar was "an instrument of the devil." I started playing guitar when I was 12. All the bands you named were my favorites AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, Ozzy Osbourne (RANDY RHODES!!! \m/ \m/ ), Cream, The Who, and etc. One of my vivid memories is going to mutual on a Wednesday night and some guy from another ward in the building, just lost it on me for wearing a Black Sabbath t-shirt. I mean, he went bonkers on me. I was barely 13. I had no idea what was going on. He took me down to my Bishop's office. Fortunately, my Bishop was also my uncle......who was also teaching me guitar, ha! He told the guy to chill and he's overreacting. He told me to just go back to what I was doing. As the years went on, I found out what that douche nozzle really was. He was one of those guys that liked to give the appearance of obedience and faithful living, but he was verbally and physically abusive in the home. His kids hated him and when they graduated one by one, they left to never come back. His wife had a nervous breakdown and later divorced him. Too busy trying to police others but not really taking care of his own stuff.
Good share. My dad was kind of appearance perfection too. He was a seminary teacher until my mom divorced him. He had a temper and depression.
@@cinnamondan4984 😂😂😂
@@cinnamondan4984 - ha! there was actually more to the story but my post was already too long. That stake leader who said guitar is the "instrument of the devil," later moved into our ward. When i was about 17 years old, the ward choir leader asked me to play acoustic guitar for a quartet singing "silent night" at the ward christmas program. (As an aside: if you are mormon and play guitar, be prepared to play silent night. They love guitar accompaniment on that song) I put together a nice classical finger style arraignment that would modulate in and out of key including a short instrumental solo. At the end of the service i was packing up my guitar and that former stake leader came over to compliment my performance. I couldn't resist and simply said, "Thanks......i was really channeling Satan on that one,"....and walked away. The look on his face..... so worth it.
It's all projection. They like to accuse some outside force for their horrible actions. They're just shitty people who can't take responsibility for their own behaviors. It makes sense because to them God, also an outside force, is in charge of their life. When good stuff happens it's God's fault. When bad stuff happens it's Satan's fault. Never any personal accountability.
All those rock bands you named were ritually abused as children, probably in a satanic setting. The parents caused extreme trauma to their children in order to fragment the self into multiple personalities, then they program those different personalities, they can create amazing musicians, singers,even murders etc. They do this with demonic powers and entities. Almost every celebrity comes from a very dark satanic family who craved fame. When you see celebrities having alcohol or drug problems it is because they remember portions of what happened to them or what they were forced to do to others (ex Amy Whinehouse) They are not sent to normal rehab but to reprogramming specialist and centers. If the reprogramming is successful they go on living as before if not, they program them to commit suicide or kill them off like the young guy from the fast and the furious movie who supposed died in a car crash. Bs. Many times they are killed off.
My close friend was in a meeting of several of the very most famous church scholars, including major former insiders, where this was seriously discussed as being a fact. Interesting to see this come out now--courageous.
Just so you know those children in California at the Presidio day care .....50 of them had STDs and they all identified the same person abusing them, Michael Aquino.
DE MPol who is Michael Aquino?
@@juliebrothers6033 lieutenant cornel in the army in charge of psychological warfare and the founder of the temple of set.
I pray for justice for the parents and children harmed in this place. They really did a number on those ppl. All the brave parents who tried to bring this to light in the '80's, one day, hopefully soon, they will get justice here.
This guy seems as if he cares but…
@@justmehere8371 But?
SRA in the LDS church puts the Daybell Vallow cases in perspective.
The biggest mistake that the Mormons tell themselves is that it was just a "bad apple" in the church and that the church was the victum because of its members. The truth is that the nicest people that I know were the SRA people who disguised them selves as harmless.
Hey your icon is sun worship iconography. They are the root of pedophilia and human trafficking.
Wolves in sheeps clothing. Hummm
There are bad people in every large organization on earth
Seek discernment and study the 'narcissistic family dynamic'. Divide n conquer is achieved by assigning roles. Some of us become dependent on our 'golden child' status, while others become easy to blame scapegoats. The church reminds me too much of the dysfunctional family I grew up in.
Is there a book I can read about this Molly?
@@mormonstories - I will mail you
I agree
Has nothing to do with narcissism, everything to do with satanic blood line and acquiring fame. Fame is only attainable via demonic entities. So if you watch TV, or watch movies or have a favorite singer, you are partaking in Satanism and demonic forces. The vatican is full of dark magicians and is responsible for what movie gets released in Hollywood. They are responsible for hypnotizing the world. The bible is a freemason magick spell book
@@meliel1715 please tell me more
Awesome! I've been waiting for the time to listen to this and the related episodes afterwards for a while now. I'm very excited! Thanks!
I have a friend who was abused by a relative as a young child. She forgot it and remembered in therapy and could confirm with her parents. The parents found it when that relative was helping them, stop allowing that person to be in contact with the child, but thought the best was to allow the child to forget it. Only when she, as a young woman in therapy, asked her parents, they told her about it and how they found it out.
This is a broad subject. I belong to a group that looks into cases of SRA, and similar subjects, and when it comes to claim's it's very hard to not immediately empathize with people who report these incidents.
The truth is not everyone who makes a report has indeed suffered these atrocities. Some are attention seekers, some are trying to sell a book, some are pranksters,some have been hypnotized into giving false confessions and some are trying to cloud the information that gets to the public.
This is 100% real and has been going on for thousands of years. This isn't exclusive to Mormonism, we find sects that commit SRA within every religion or cult.
We also see institutionalized SRA.
These techniques have been used to groom spies and assassin's for countries and various organizations for as long as recorded history.
What group are you with? I’d be interested in hearing more.
The CIA and army intelligence agencies are behind all of it. I was targeted because I was born on an army base.
What group is that. I want to contact your group.
As an institutional abuse survivor, just like to say I really enjoyed your podcast and the way you described the role of your channel, and the role of survivor stories. It hells to know there’s good people out there.
Thanks for covering this subject, John. Keep up good work.
thanks to you so very much, initially for exploring this topic at all, but also for being so courageous in exploring this subject matter in depth. Sexual abuse is rampant, not just in mormon circles, but in the circles of power and all strata of society, and needs to be resolved. I truly support your efforts.
Cathy O’Brien, MK Ultra survivor discussed the Mormon church in Monroe, Louisiana and how all the biggest players in the church partakes in these rituals and uses MIND CONTROL techniques during their sermons. SICK !! It’s everywhere. HUMANS ARE LOVE, WE CAN GET THROUGH ALL THIS WITH LOVE, as Jesus preached.
Cathy O'Brien (born December 4, 1957) is an American conspiracy theorist and author who claims to have been a victim of a government mind control program called Project Monarch, which she alleges was part of the CIA's Project MKUltra.[1][2][3][4][5] O'Brien made these assertions in Trance Formation of America (1995) and Access Denied: For Reasons of National Security (2004), both of which she co-authored with her husband Mark Phillips.[1] According to scholars, there is no credible evidence for O'Brien's claims and there are numerous inconsistencies with her story.[5
Now you wonder why there are Dahmer's out there. Evil
Everyone needs to read Deciphering the Matrix and Project Soul Catcher by Dr Robert Duncan along with Rauni Kilde's videos, and Brian Tew. They are mapping our brains and targeting and controlling as many as they can. Destroying families and relationships covertly. SATAN is a Nasa program to attack your brain. They're trying to reverse engineer and get our souls, but you can't actually do that. They're still going to try because they're idiots. THIS and child trafficking needs to be put on blast. They HATE the internet because they have a hard time shadow banning and controlling us. 1984 happened a long time ago and they want cyborgs not humans. THAT's the big secret JFK was killed over.
"all the biggest players in the Church participate in these rituals " this is a broad sweeping statement, and is unfounded. It this were true, there would be noise about it. I don't see it
Dear John. I appreciate The Great Work you are doing to expose the evil that has been harming the beautiful souls on this earth. The evil must be acknowledged and brought to the surface so that we can heal this together. Praying for the souls who have been affected by this pure evil. 🙏💗🙏
Must it be brought to the surface? Because my family and the government here in my city think I’m nuts. But they are all in on it or have DID
This is a big problem. Especially in smaller towns (at least here in Idaho)
Ozzy wrote a song called Mr. Crowley which is about Allestor Crowley and how ozzy found his tales confusing. Crowley did not start The Church of Satan, he was friends with Anton LaVey, who is the creator of The Church of Satan. Crowley later went on to create his own religion called Thelema.
My father was a psychotherapist and hypnotist during this time period and, although he wasn't directly involved in any of the cases you mentioned, it had somewhat of an impact in that people came forward with stories of *both* being groomed to recall memories of sexual abuse by unethical therapists (in fact, I encountered this myself but recognized it in the first session and didn't go back) as well as a few cases of ritual sexual abuse who were triggered by hearing about the cases and it brought up spontaneous memories which my Dad then helped them navigate. The issue is that the mind is really great at sequestering away traumatic experiences which can be released at any time in one's life, whether during hypnosis or not, as well as easily creating memories when under suggestible states of consciousness if that person is willing to entertain the idea of abuse happening. I did some counseling internship with him - he was a prominent therapist in Oregon, esp because the Bishops in the area would send cases from the church to him for therapy - and we had a lot of talks about hypnosis and how careful the therapist has to be to not plant ideas about anything in the client's mind. If a therapist gets certified in hypnosis without a deeper understanding of psychology, and this sadly happens a lot, or someone who hasn't done their own work to uncover & heal from past trauma, they may not even realize that they are planting these ideas in their client's minds. Others are doing it deliberately because they are very damaged people and love the power they have over others. Using the hypnotic or semi-hypnotic techniques have been shown to greatly accelerate people's healing from sexual &/or physical abuse but have gotten such a bad name because of unethical & untrained therapists. It's sad, actually. Also, thank you for saying 'adopt a mindset of Belief First with victims'. This can't be understated enough! We've had centuries of victim-blaming and it's carried on by institutions like the LDS church for far too long.
Your dad sounds very much like he was/is a 'programmer' and cult affiliated.
@@hereiam587 My dad was funny bc he was seen as a bit fringe for mormondom but he was well-loved bc he was such a good therapist & every leader sent clients to him. He also did a great job being bishop bc of this. But he was also closeted gay & I have suspicions that he might have been around when the Y did conversion therapy. My dad was vehement about not allowing conversion therapy to be elevated in our stake. So I think he was more aware of the programming/cult kind of issues but he also drank the kool-aid as a young convert, so it was an odd dynamic.
@@truelionofhylia8152Unless you're being sarcastic, I hate to tell you this but there is a higher percentage of abusers in *every* major religion, esp Christianity, and has been for thousands of years. The specifics of the dogma might be different but the toxic patriarchal practices are exactly the same. The more aware of it we are in our own backyard, the more we'll begin to create safer environments for kids & adults.
Mormons.. I was abused sexually and the church excommunicated me for being abused as a child but the people who did this blamed me for their sin..
Same here. I was abused by someone in the ministry, and the church blamed me for leading the person astray.
J P I send love and hugs.Xx is a horrible thing to go through.
Excommunicated? Please explain, was that your bishop's decision?
@@JeannettePoulson I've never heard the term "ministry" used by anyone in the mormon church. Is that word common in the area where you attended?
@@ladymoonsong9 yes it was bishop’s decision!
This is a very serious subject and I have heard many stories of stuff like this happening. So sad 😔 If you move outside of Utah it is more commonly and openly talked about this happening within mormonism.
really? I'm shock by this 😯
Doesn't the Salt Lake Temple have pentagrams on it?
They're called "stars".
Wow! This turned out to be the most intriguing topic you've covered in a while. Really deep water!
Aleister Crowley died in 1947, he was on the Beatles album they even sung about him. A known occultist and child sacrificer. At the end of his life he questioned if he had just been a trifler.
Its extremely common to suppress memories
Please look up anneke lucas 🙏
It’s actually not but people who were truly effected which are many deserve justice and the offenders should be taken out and under ground if you know what I mean.
Sir, you have done a great service , the lords work.thank you.may god bless you.you have the strength of christ by your love.rob.
As always, thank you for your work and videos! As to your question @ 33:33 about boys abused in FLDS, you can read about Roy Jeffs (who committed suicide), son of the prophet who says he was sexually abused in temple ceremonies also.
you know what the bible says; Satan is the best of deceivers, much much smarter than us
Don't believe everything u read in the Bible. The middle word in be(lie)ve is LIE.lol
Did you see Fall of Cabal or Out of the Shadows?
Yes
You’ve got the gist of what we were to understand in the 80’s as kids and teens... I was a teen in the 80’s... l think the concerns and warning were real... but like the ‘just say no to drugs’ campaign ... the warnings attracted people, especially children, to these things. But mostly it created a dismissal of these concerns ... the music artists were just seen as theater attracting attention and those concerned were thought of as crazy ... at any rate, the whole thing is a double edged sword ... the knowledge of what they are doing and the way these things actually attract victims who become perpetrators
I was always wondering why there are so many murderers from this church. Discernment says they are underground occultists. Common sense to me.
Thank you. I appreciate this.
My only experience with such things is I attended a private meeting with my bishop to discuss home teaching reports for the elders when the bishop received a call of a member who had attempted to rape a woman in the ward. I heard the bishop advised over the phone to call the police and to prosecute the member to the full extent of the law. I felt comfort and pride in the bishop's forceful defense of the victim.
Would love love love to hear some voices of SRA survivors on your podcast!!!!!! ❤
Only if you believe them though, obviously. I would hate to see a survivor disrespected or invalidated.
Thank you so much, I am so grateful I have found you. I have Been battling a ex-husband who is a narcissist and hiding behind the church. Currently I’m watching this evil conditioning destroy the souls of my children.
I have so much to say. I’m totally watch ye very video.
Thank you! Keep shining the light!
I have a brand Shine all the time.
I may use it to bring light to what is really happening.
Oh and he went to Jamaica on his mission.
He’s working with so many evil entities. And hiding under the church.
the get fuq out of there with your kids!
Newcastle Utah is riddled with SRA. I lived in Cedar city for awhile and bartended. The stories I heard...
I am a survivor of SRA/MK...some of my main handlers were my mormon uncle and aunt. Some of my memories involve rituals where I was taken by them to the mayan pyramids. I was used on the altars as a small child, as a gateway for entities to enter our realm from other dimensions.
@@kitdriscoll1288 they are pretty obsessed with pre-columbian America's arent they. I was told by. a couple seperaye unrelated sources about girls being burned as sacrifice in polygamy community in New Castle.
@@marymaryquitethecontrarian Horrible. :( I am not surprised, though. Not at all.
At the mayan pyramid rituals, the 2 nephilim who presided over the ceremonies sacrificed an infant each day of a 3-day ritual. One (nephilim) was an upright serpent/lizard type and the other was an anubis type.
@@marymaryquitethecontrarian BTW, I always had memories of sexual and physical abuse by multiple people, and other odd memories that I'd always push away and tell myself they weren't true. But more memories of trauma and more clearly SRA/MK began coming back in my early 30's after I obeyed the prompting of the Lord to begin writing my life down on paper. That began to open things up, and God began to reconnect me with alters. My memories were coming back a good 3 years before I ever found a Christian prayer counselor. She never led me in any way. But I did have memories confirmed by family members as well as other survivors/victims.
@@kitdriscoll1288 I believe you. I am a survivor myself. I was an adult and away from harm by the time I lived in Utah. I actually hadn't woke up yet.
Blessings, we overcome by the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of our Testimony ❣️
What I don't understand is, why would anyone who has been abused, especially sexual abuse, by someone in the church, expect THE CHURCH to report the abuse to the authorities, and didn't go to the authorities FIRST, them let the authorities deal with the alleged abuser.
Sounds like grooming worked.
@@sabias3932 That's not our church.
I know I'm super late commenting, but I just found this podcast yesterday.
I live in utah, born and raised and I haven't witnessed anything like this, but, I've had my suspicions. I quit going to church yrs ago cause I wasn't feeling that good spirit my mom always has around her. She's a sweet spirit I know wouldn't worship the devil. Her mothers maiden name was kimball and yes, we are related to Spencer and Hyrum kimball. I remember being told our family has been in a spiritual battle with evil spirits which my mom use to have sleep paralysis as a teen and saw a shadow man in a hat. The one lots of sleep paralysis people have seen.
I never saw and don't see him, but I've had sleep paralysis at least since I was 4 yrs old. I also have something called visual snow where my eyesight has a fuzzy snowy tv look to it but it isn't a vision problem its a nervous system thing and I swear I can see constant changing images in the vs when I close my eyes that I've been wondering if I'm seeing my subconscious in the vs.
My family has issues emotionally and my grandma, mom, and aunt all struggled with anger that I now believe is from something they've been thru.
My sister and I also have anger issues, but only when pushed.
All us women in my family are kind hearted and love to help others, but then we have the side that doesn't want anyone getting close in fear of being abused in some way.
Can confirm, the dude in the hat/shroud, with no hands nor face is an absolute jerk.
Bro, let me sleep.
what is hilarious is that occult ideology is sprinkled throughout the Book of Mormon, specifically with keywords, like Knowledge, Understanding, and Wisdom - which is the occult's law of attraction - used for good and evil.
I am a victim of Mormons and SRA and DID…but I KNOW for a fact that the Book of Mormon is inspired of God. It has saved me many times.
Knowledge, wisdom and understanding are related concepts used in the Bible and Apocryphal texts as well. Look up how those phrases are also used together in the Bible. I am sincerely curious to know if you have a problem with the Bible because of this?
You look great with a beard John!😊
35:29. I think the vast majority of false claims of rape are actually setup by the accused perpetrator.
For example, say a politician/religious leader/celebrity gets accused of rape. What him and his “team” will do is hire an actress/model to ALSO accuse him of rape. This will be the story that makes the news for a few days. Then the “victim” will be 100% “debunked,” somehow caught in a lie, like he was in another state at the time or something like that. And vóila, they have now casted doubt on ALL the victims in the minds of the common person watching the story unfold.
This happens time and again, and it’s a strategy they use to manipulate the masses all the time. Even with things like jfk or 9/11 or vaccines, they just flood the airwaves with debunkable nonsense, and this causes people to stop searching for the truth, even though it can almost always be found by scrolling to Google Page 2.
I really wish people would learn to scroll past Google Page 1 and all the lies favored by the algorithm. But it’s been ingrained in us through public education to use the top sources, and that links further down aren’t to be trusted, even though the truth is exactly the opposite. The lies and manipulation are at the top, and the rest is the hundreds of thousands of millions of people trying to expose Google Page 1, but people never get that far..
Well said!
Fallen w/ Denzel Washington is a great movie about demonic possession
I first want to be transparent that I am a recent active member.
What I love about you: You always present both side of the story with respect and grace; even when it’s a issue that pertains with you directly.
I am so sad to hear this going on.
, but I am not surprised.
Could you please or someone explain what is “ritualistic sexual abuse.” Also, is there sign to look for?
Thank you Stormey. We will explain this in a future episode, so stay tuned!
U should watch Ted gunderson fbi agent who worked on satanic ritual cases in the USA. Its way bigger and even a branch of CIA is involved in child trafficking across the borders. Mind-blowing
Look up Wilfred Wong on utube. He has lots of experience with SRA ( Satanic Ritual Abuse) and shares validated accounts of what this is.
@@danjames6620 the cia founded from 2 Catholic intelligence agencies knights of Malta merging. Aided in the Vatican ratlines after ww2 the American side was called operation paperclip.
@@danjames6620 this stuff all ties into the Jesuits of Rome.
I can remember being told not to go into the woods in Provo Canyon at night because there were Satanists doing rituals up there.
I've read 800+ pages of victim witness statements filed with the Provo PD in the David Hamblin case. More than one victim named locations in Provo and American Fork canyons where rituals were performed.
did they mention any rituals involving climbing the mountains and worshipping satan through a “Y” position? this was mentioned in a victims statement.
There was a group who dressed in black and would meet in in the mountains way back in City Creek canyon. I know this because when my girlfriend and I were hiking and came upon them. They saw us and we spoke to them and they said they were back there to perform a ceremony that we didn't ask, and they didn't go into any details about.
Holy cow can I use this in my book?!
More details?
Was it about the time of the McMartin case or no?
Worst episode you've published. 40 minutes into your rant. You haven't stated any real "Satanic" ritual abuse nor really made any statement at all.
A lot of mind control victims started recalling their memories, and a lot of powerful men in powerful positions do not want this information to come out, a counter group was formed to find and attack and discredit any therapist reporting any of this, “you are planting memories in them, “ some of it may be true, ( corrupt therapists) buts it’s a coverup, many in high positions do not want this information to come out.
I'm an ex Mormon too
I'd like to offer something about recovered memories. I agree completely about narrative memories, however, I do believe that authentic "repressed" memories come out in fragments that are experienced *NOW*. For example, I have very large gaps in my childhood memories, I've, idk, "recovered" only 2 moments of being embodied in traumatic moments and they were literally just seconds in duration, and they were experienced in the present as myself. Other fragments come through as specific pains associated with thoughts or mind states. I have 2 predictable smells, and a predictable loss of proprioception dependent upon external/internal stimulus. The single embodied "memory" that im willing to share is that I felt what I call "the thing," I felt it breathe on me while performing other action on my body. It was more real than the feeling of my body as I sit here and type this. You can recover memories, it's just more likely, i think, that they will be experiencial and not narrative.
About Satanic Sex Ritual and Alex Crowley, you can talk to Chris Shelton or Jon Atack. The founder of Scientology did that.
a person should check out what Richard Dutcher has to say about that subject....... in John's interview with Richard Dutcher
Which book Paper Dolls is he talking about. There are several.
Professors told you that stuff? Wow, that's so crazy.
Indeed it was.
My friend killed himself after starting to remember some of the ritualist abuse done to him by his mormon bishop.
Well that's probably what the Jodi/Franke stuff was about
I had fun requesting highway to hell, cat scratch fever and you got another thing coming from Judas priest at church dances to see if they played them. They did but then turned them off.
As a non denominational Christian, I had experiences in my late teens/early 20s-where we definitely encountered evil spirits.(Im 43 now) In my friends basement,& we had several different witnesses,different days, & times. And everyone in his family, agreed that some things had gone on in their basement. Messing with Ouija boards, spells,etc-that they didn't believe in, until later on.
For the benefit of full disclosure, I was a flat out drug addict at the time,as was my friend. However, I know the difference between drug hallucinations,& what we encountered. Also, we were dead sober, on 3 of the 5 incidents. But still, it still would be possible our drug use brought on these, if not for...my friends brother saw the same things on multiple occasions. He wasn't a drug or alcohol user (he was 11),& his mom,& stepdad also were well aware their basement was "haunted." They were upper middle class/occasional drinkers-but totally against drugs,& (they later kicked my friend out, for using drugs) not close to alcoholics. There are also 3 other individuals, I know of, who saw these things,on at least 1 occasion-because they were with us. And I also know this happened, because on 1 occasion, we were experiencing this for probably 3-4 hrs. There's no way we were hallucinating for that long,& having the exact same hallucination. There's more I could go into, but again it was multiple times,& a lot of time involved. I'd have to type all night to tell you the whole story. But suffice to say, I know evil exists. But I don't claim to have all the answers, or total recall of what happened over 20 yrs ago.
I also don't expect anybody to believe 1 damn word, of what I say. Because I have no proof. It involved a porcelain doll, which I truly believe had a hold on my friend. He believes the same thing,& eventually this doll shattered in a bunch of pieces,& he tried to glue it back together, like it was his best friend. After this failed, we swept up,& threw it away. After that he was fine.
I know what happened to us,& nobody will ever convince me the spirit world doesn't exist. But again, I'm not saying I have all the answers, or that anybody should believe what I'm saying. I don't expect anybody to believe me. I've told probably 8 or 10 people, the whole story,& I preface it by saying, "you'll probably think I'm crazy,& I don't expect you to take my word for it, as I have not a shred of proof." Basically take it, or leave it-you asked, so here's the story, but do with it, as you wish.
All I can say is I know in my heart, what happened to us. My friend knows the same, even though we don't talk much anymore. His ex, is my girlfriends oldest sister,& since they broke up after like 15 yrs of marriage, I don't see him very often. But we know the truth,& I don't need validation from anyone else, to know what I saw. I am not a conspiracy theorist,& I also know the damage that many religions/cults do to people. This is why I don't claim a denomination. But I can tell you, calling on the name of Jesus, did make it back off. But I don't expect anyone to believe any of this, because without proof, why should anybody believe me?
I have friends who are atheists,& think we were crazy, or high. I have Christian friends, & friends in other religion's. Some believe us, some likely don't,& that's fine. We all have our own beliefs. And I respect everyone's beliefs, or lack therof-AS LONG AS THEY RESPECT MINE!
There are cults,& cult like mind sets-in so many aspects of life. I hate extremism, intolerance,& closed mindedness-no matter what side they come from. There is a "Trump cult," in America today. But there's also an "anti Trump cult." A small minority of people, as most people don't fall in either group. Then we know groups like Scientology, & Jehovah Witnesses are full blown cults-us vs them, black & white thinking-everything. A group like ISIS is a cult,& N Korea, is an example of a secular cult, running an entire nation. Groups like the Mormons,& even some Catholics are cult like-but usually too a lesser degree than the JW's, or Scientology. There are also Atheists, who operate with a cult like mindset, who think they have all the answers. Or they can disprove God, or something. They can't...anymore than I can prove his existence. And just cuz its in the Bible, doesn't prove anything, as some Christians seem to think. But our lack of proof, isn't evidence God DOESN'T exist, as a few extreme Atheists seem to think. And my story isn't any proof either, so I totally get, if people don't believe it.
Believing there's no God, is a completely reasonable position. I believe in God,& Satan, or evil-whatever you call it. Because I've seen it. But not the horn,& pitchfork stereotype. Just good,& evil. Because it's seems reasonable to me, to be an Atheist. But to actually believe in God" but not to believe in evil as well-that's completely nonsensical to me. But whatever the truth, none of us have all the answers. Tolerance of belief, is what's important in our society.It's enough for me to know what happened to me,& what to try to keep my kids away from. I wasn't abused,or assaulted, so it's not the same as what you are talking about. But I know what we saw,& experienced, there's SOMETHING going on, beyond our awareness. But exactly what is certainly beyond my knowledge.
I read everything you wrote. I believe you. I'm 34 and I have also experienced evil, or evil spirits. Also alot of people have told me similar stories. About dolls, spirits in the trees, being possessed for the night or even living alot of years being enslaved and confused by the evil one. Try not to worry about whether people believe you or not. But preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and help those who are spiritually Lost. There is a reason for everything and GOD can turn what the enemy made for evil into Good.
@@paulrodriguez2544 Thanks for your comments bro-I agree 100%. I just saw your response now, for some reason. I'm not very technologically savy-lol. It's a scary world we are living in right now, just leaving the house anymore. My youngest daughter turned 10 today,& I was just stressing, wondering what this world will look like, by the time she's 18,& her sister would be 19. But your comment encouraged me. I believe that Jesus is our only hope. It's just so easy to feel hopeless, with all the fanaticism,& evil-on both extremes of the political sphere in America. But you really did pick me up, probably God reminding me there still are a lot of basically good people. And that I need to stop engaging with,& feeding into the nonsense,& unreasonable people. Thx again,& God bless
@@paulrodriguez2544 "spirits in the trees" - if you see this, can you elaborate? I once saw a spirit fly from our garden into a nearby tree. It looked like a dense, elongated cloud, it was broad daylight, it took at least five seconds. There is no ambiguity with what I saw, imagine a normal day, totally sober, looking at a small cloud with an intentional trajectory.
I liked your story and appreciate your comments about cults (and I agree). The US media this year is acting like a "cult leader"....there is only one acceptable narrative, everything else is dangerous heresy. Anyway I have also encountered pure evil (as a non-religious person) and when I told my Christian friends, they prayed for me, and the evil went away. I have no agenda at all in sharing this except to defend my position which is similar to yours, I think: we really do not know what is going on.
@@PS-qn4oz thanks for your words-I agree.
Mormo is mythologically "the king of the ghouls."
There has been much exposed about the one that wrote about false memories. She was actually the scammer. Very interesting check it out. The author had prrsonal invested interested to discredit these .
you speak too loosely as if you talk about kite running club, come on it's very serious topic
What are you trying to say about kite running clubs?
Kite?? Thats not the term.. If you dont know that then maybe not comment until
I thought he was a bit flippant too. He knows more than he’s letting on. Speaking too fast for a start
Off of a dude high af off of peyote...cool story Karen.
@@stevenjennings4617 I understand the comment, no need to police opinions. A PhD should know how to deliver a serious subject, especially when highlighted as the topic. Delivery is intentional coming from a professional in this field. This is not a lite subject and should not be muddied with terms such as conspiracy theories.
So, just a handful of therapists, was able to create HUNDREDS of " false implanted memories" from their patient's? What kind of witch coven was them therapists from?
And what about the charges and lawsuit brought against Russel Nelson's daughter and son in law, for hosting touching parties for children back in the 80's. How many people know about that being swept under the rug?
I'm from West Virginia.
Joseph's Myth....
I see what you did there. True.
It's interesting that the lds church began in Palmyra, New York. This city was named after Palmyra, Syria where the temple of Baal was built. The new symbol of the church that was announced this year reminds me of the Arch of Baal.
There is a reported case that involved President Nelson's daughter and husband when they were teens. The victim's mother has written a very detailed report of the abuse done by Nelson's daughter and son in law when they babysat for kids. It's available to read online.
I have a feeling that the earthquakes that have happened in Utah this year were not natural. Trump is going after the satanists that are involved in MKultra mind control, sex trafficking, child sacrifice, and adrenochrome. Trump is leading the war against these satanists. The good soldiers are bombing these deep underground military bases and tunnels where children are trafficked and tortured.
You poor poor idiot
So what do you think of President of the church Russell Nelson?
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@@juliebrothers6033 I think he has been covering up for his daughter because of his position of authority in the church
@@beckymcdonald9529 Sorry you must be a believer in this cult. It's you who is the poor idiot for blindly following whatever they tell you to believe.
You know.. it’s sad that some people experience these crazy things. What’s even more sad is that the religion does none of these things. But the hat does not go to say that people have left the church and made their own version of Mormonism. Especially in Utah.
35:30 That's why I believe rosebud
Yeah it's called quantum healing hypnosis technique QHHT and there's nothing wrong with that. I would think that it would depend on the person giving you the hypnosis session.
My Patriarchal Blessings says I can cast out demons, heal others, etc.
This is horrific and scary
Please define and describe "ritual sexual abuse" and if and how it is related to the church.
4:48 Ozzy Osborn proclaimed himself to be the Prince of Darkness
Frightening
You don't know the problems associated with "start by believing". You also don't understand the consequence for the accused. There is always a severe price paid by the accused. So please don't say there is rarely a conviction.
Pray always, fallow commandments, read the holy Bible it is very important. Catholics pray to Saints talk to the dead, they see mediums fortune telling, tarot rake, yoga , new era crap stay away-from all that. Leave the dead alone.go to God the father in the name of God the son.
It takes some people a L O N G time to get it. It's called 'normalcy bias'. But thank goodness your beginning to see clearly. 👍 It's not just the Mormon Church, it's everywhere. But sounds like your normalcy bias is still intact, as you have a hard time believing some aspects of the "claims".
some people call LDS Luciferian,Demonic,Satanism
John, you don’t think it’s strange these claims exist against the Mormon church and they just came out to denounce Tim Ballard??
Pae lae ale….pae lae ale. That is chanted during the rituals inside the temple. In Hebrew it means “marvelous false god.” Let that set in
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Dude, are you combing it over?
I feel like a precious hour of my life was waisted here for nothing but a back and forth topic. Why is it that no one explains what SRA actually is? I believe that sexual abuse happens a lot more that people care to admit. I believe that is a fact, even though I am aware that some make things up to destroy others or make money or for attention. I believe more of the claims of it happening are true over lies or from false memories.
Totally agree about the SRA, it's a complicated subject with very few experts in the field. Who's to say the "professor" was on the wrong track. An intent to harm does not make sense, but intention to help causing harm sounds likely. I find the mental health profession to be quite underhwelming in the US. Whether it's due to federal or state constraints, those affected continue to rise.
Imagine if you endured the most horrifying forms of abuse thats so bad nobody believes it. You did a 3 part series to explore the validity of sra in Mormonism but all three episodes guests had zero interest in doing anything other than shoot the idea down.
I'd refer you to the testimoney pf the daughters of David Hamblin. As unbelievable as there victim statements are, I have a harder time imagining two young girls making multiple reports over several years that corroborate eachother, audio recording of David admitting to the rape, being completely fabricated. During the Hamblins divorce discovery it was put into the record that David sexually abused his kids. Add to that, more than a decade later, David and his ex wife are arrested on charges from different victims but those new victims also claim there was a ton of talk about sra.
So we as a society will except that those girls were telling the truth about the abuse but disregard any notion of it being done ritualistically? It seems that we've unintentionally built a firewall for pedos. If they add satanic elements to the abuse its almost a garauntee nobody will believe the victims.
I think you should do another series on this very sensitive topic and try to be more balanced. You can't do a whole series about SRA in Mormonism and leave out the nost compelling case imo. The courts of Utah have it as fact that the Hamblin sisters weren't lying about being abused so we should take a closer look into everything they said to police in 2012.
There were plenty of rock music that was not like that!!!
John, do you believe in Jesus?
Ty for shining a light on this horrendous truth🙏🏻❤️
Many religions are Satan’s cult disguised as Christian but…. There is a TRUE REMNANT for CHRIST THAT HAVE ALL POWER OVER THE KINGDOM OF DARKNESS❤️
Becareful of those religion they require sex ritual
Not only Mormons all Churches are required sex ritual
Looking like a Man from a different time. Nice to see. Now let's don't start getting all modern.
Hey John, kind an adjacent topic but I think that it's important to clarify that a lot perceptions that people have about the occult are incorrect. Occultism has a lot more do to with living life through a certain philosophical lens and finding your own power--it is not about abusing or harming others. Occultism is heavily intertwined with pagan religions such as Wicca, which are grounded in ethical behavior and respect for the earth. I believe that Christians often demonize Occultism because it is a response to many of the things that people find problematic in Christian religions. Occultists are not people who are looking to harm others but are instead people trying to understand the meaning of life while embracing themselves and their full power and potential as human beings. Occult practices such as tarot reading can actually be highly therapeutic.
Thanks for the clarification, @Spiral_Heart!
One of the values of the Occult is deception. Tarot reading, wicca, etc. are a comfortable entry point into the Occult. Once you become involved with the occult on a deeper level, the unethical side will show itself clearly.
@@jessiesheldon-huffey1824 I don't think depth of involvement is the problem. Instead it's an issue of thinking for yourself and having your own moral compass. Dogmatic moralism, such as that found in mormonism, henders this. Fortunately, most pagans seek to find their own moral compass (although there are shared community values generally--and Wicca does have a lose moral system). But of course some groups can become dogmatic. I think there is always a risk with spiritual hierarchy and group practice. But there is light and shadow in every community--even in high demand religions.
@@Sapphires_And_Dreams I don't think your charterization of what I said is fair. There are problems in all spiritual practices. I tried to make that clear when I mentioned dogma. One must also always be warry of socio-paths, narcists, and cults. I'm very sorry for what happened to you. I don't agree that it is as simple as RHP vs. LHP though. And I'm sure that there are evil Wiccans and other pagans. There will always be people who abuse ideas. There is no escaping that in life. But I also thing that a general message that stereotypical ideas about the occult are wrong. This point doesn't have to exclude the nuance you wish to add. I appreciate that. But there is also no reason to attack me for trying to make a general point to an audience that doesn't know a lot about Occult practices. Again I'm sorry for what happened to you it deserves attention and discussion, but it doesn't mean that other people are just plain wrong either.
@@Sapphires_And_Dreams I'm really very sorry about what happened to you. I can see that it REALLY hurt you. I hope you are ok. And I'm very sorry my comments triggered you. I hope you can find what you need right now.
The idea that you can use recovered memories to reframe experiences was popular during the panic.
Many therapists asked people to reframe and rewrite their memories and then treated the re framed memories as fact, pushing their patients to take their parents to court.
This was a multimillion dollar business.
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Aleister Crowley died in 1947
FYI your icon is the symbol for boy love pedophilia within the sun worship iconography.
And crowley was an mi5 agent.
I have heard about it
Ozzy is a holy man..
Demon Satan lover!
So basically what you are doing is trying to debunk that this happens to defend your false religion.
I live in Utah. My sister has accused my dad of doing things. He story has gotten more and more fantastical through the years. I finally asked my dad, and he denied it. As a little girl who grew up in his house, I believe him. He never blurred the lines of appropriateness. I think maybe my sister's therapist planted ideas that blurred with memories my sister had from marriage to a rapist and child sex abuser.
Very few people can face the reality of their sexually abusing. Denial is the usual go to.
Victims will likely remember more over the years.
It is possible your sister is speaking truth which you find or prefer not to believe.
Your sister will be adversely effected by people who don't consider the possibility of what they say.
Support and love your sister.
Understand that few perpetrators admit what they've done, even when the even fewer of them have been convicted and put in prison.
It is nothing short of phenomenal
how children 'forget' their experience of trauma. Your safety may have been compromised when you were a child too.
@@karate4348 thanks for your kind words. My sister has been emotionally coercive and abusive of me for years. I finally cut her loose telling her my patience for her meanness is getting thinner and thinner and I'm about to blow up and say things well both regret. Twenty years of my adult life was about believing her, pitying her, and putting her needs and desires before mine. And the longer I did it, the more she demanded. I just can't do it anymore. She hates everyone who loves her, and if she's going to hate me, then she can hate me from afar. My life is about me and my husband and our family now. I wish the best for her, but I can't keep doing the toxicity.
@@brandih8972 sounds like no matter how you relate with your sister you will be burned. Definitely keep your family safe, including yourself. Was she like that while you were growing up too?
@@klarag7059 she had a temper and was always mad and beating up our little brother. But she wasn't as emotionally manipulative and calculated.
@@brandih8972 so the emotional manipulation and such started after marriage? Sorry for the personal questions, I’m trying to get an understanding of your sister and how this accusation could’ve worked out in her mind.
What do you think of jodi arias case, travis was mormon her supposedly too 🤔🧐
Regardless of that man's religion, he didn't deserve that.
It's not live anymore but I definitely have stories and know another friend who dies too
Just like the catholic priest.
Can I get your email please. I know i was abused and want to remember enough to work though it.