@@Ysgxsupreme dam the d1 player that is trying to pass of his opinions as proven fact is getting kinda salty lol hope you brought some knee pads so your knees don't hurt while your sucking off year one destiny
Its a lot to read but humor me. First point. Exotics, yeah. They just aren't as rare, I ran 3 NightFalls today and got two exotics, one from final chest the other a random drop. Decent point. Random side point, Gjallarhorn does not suck it fact its an S tier rocket, whenever rockets are in meta Gjallarhorn is a must have. + complaining that nothing in D2 has broken the meta like D1 Gjallarhorn is stupid, its called better game balance, also there was a gun in D2 called Death Bringer, its been op off and on and still is insanely op when used right but it actually super hard to use. + saying why would we play if there isn't a broken weapon is stupid, why would I play if everything can be done with a single weapon. Second point. The fact you are complaining about levels in D2 shows you haven't played the game in years bro, we don't have levels, they made raids the dungeons harder and added artificer armour, the only way to get good gear in D2 is do high 'level' content. The complaint about no reason to play raids is dumb because again, now we have craftables, and there are still raid exotics, Vex Mythoclast is legendary, if you have it thats insane because the gun slaps. The craftables alone make the raids worth it. 3rd. The reason D2 sucks for new players is because they aren't caring about new players, they aren't bothered with making it fun for new players because the old ones are all they care about. Every new dlc isn't adding new early game stuff its adding new end game stuff. This completely goes against your point of it being for casuals. 4th. Deleted content is aids, yeah its super cringe they got rid of it. Eververse was also super cringe, but they've done well making Eververse not aids, its all done through bright dust which you get for free. And most of the deleted content is being brought back through new story elements. They brought back mars through Witch Queen and with that an entire new map and new mechanics. There really isn't defending the deleted dlcs but they are trying to make it right. (You don't get exotic quests through strikes, infact all you use strikes for is pinnacle gear). Most of these points are hard to argue against not because they are good but because you won't get anything we respond with since you clearly haven't played the game in years. Like dude, if I played a game year 1 and complain about it 6 years later I'm going to get annoyed comments.
@@SickNick08 Craftables are bringing back old weapons. Yes its aids they removed them in the first place but they are trying to make that right with the new content. And pretending people need to move on because the games bad is stupid. if the game was bad it wouldn't have as many people playing as it does.
I’m halfway through with this video and this has to be a troll video, right? Like it has to be. It’s that or you haven’t played D2 since Y1. But if these are your genuine thoughts on the state of CURRENT D2, you’re absolutely waffling here man. OOF. 20 minutes of insanely inaccurate takes, but at least it was entertaining so I’ll give you that.
There’s 30-50k active players which is still pretty decent. But TTK, Rise of Iron had 25 million registered players and the peaked over 100k for a good while. Hundreds of thousands of players, may be true. But how many come back everyday? How many players have been lost because of the game shooting itself in the foot?
@@hjn4002well I promise you it ain’t close to D1 numbers. If you didn’t play D1, and experience it during its lifespan, don’t say anything about D2. It is successful but literally abandoned most of its core game mechanics and fans.
@@hjn4002if it weren’t dying, TH-camrs who have covered the game for years wouldn’t be struggling for views and leaving the game, there’s hundreds of videos about how this game is dying, or feels dead.
@@Ysgxsupreme I played d1 in its prime I have like 1900 hours on d1 so yes I’m aware and as I remember it almost everyone complained about the game until that April update that revamped all the raids and trials and whatever else
Played 4500 hours from forsaken to lightfall. Played some more hours at the end of lightfall when the expansion was 6€ and all 4 seasons became f2p. Stopped after again. Seeing the whole of lightfall just showed me that bungie is dead and nothing will revive it. Zero creativity. Apart from raid weapons we havent gotten a single new legendary weapon with a new look in over 2 years like wtf.
14:18 this mentality is wrong!!!! I will not be an unpaid QA tester!!!!! I paid for a working product. I did NOT pay for a “year long beta that I will be expected to buy extra DLCs” People like you need to stop accepting “Pay More Receive Less”!!!!!!!!!!
My opinion as someone who played a bit of D1 and a LOT of D2 is that the RNG loot needs to play a bigger factor. As you mention, you get the broken stuff and then you are free to do whatever. I think the logging in each week to do chores to get my gear score high is boring and that's what turned me away from the game. There isn't anything super fun for solos like dungeons in Diablo. There aren't even any neat items like Diablo where "Oh this helmet lets you get +5 in all skills and makes you a powerhouse, but it drops from anywhere and has a very slightly better rate from a rare/legendary enemy and that slight boost is like a .5%". I just want to be able to solo some cool stuff maybe without so many mechanics and not have to chase a season cap all the time. That being said I did do the lightfall expansion and the raid many times and that's where I did hit season cap and felt like I got everything I wanted, but I think I want more solo replayable stuff like the strikes where I can turn my brain off, crank up the difficulty maybe and chill while still chasing that ultra mythical item. I guess I just want more solo content which can offer similar stuff to the raid or dungeons.
I have to disagree with you here. The only point we agree on is the monetization aspect. Saying there is no desire to grind loot anymore is extremely incorrect. Exotics DO feel exotic, or no one would use them. Just this year everyone went nuts for the new Still Hunt sniper as it was crazy good for the new raid. It may not have been rng like Gjallarhorn was in D1 but that is not your argument. Your specific argument is that exotics and new weapons aren't good/desirable anymore which is blatantly incorrect. Hell, even at this very moment thousands of people are farming Iron Banner right now for the new Stasis rocket sidearm. I am sorry that D2 has not lived up to your expectations or desires, but I think this video is very opinionated and not very factual which is where a lot of the negativity is coming from.
If you didn’t play D1, when it was truly at its peak player counts, then don’t @ me. Dozens of Destiny TH-camrs leaving the game, views at all time lows.
My brother, that youtubers are leaving is completely normal, they play 24/7 the same game during 10+ years, it’s completely reasonable they get burn out, even that they stayed so long it’s a good indicator of the excellent performance of the game. New TH-camrs will eventually rise, because player base still strong and quality content keeps coming.
People may not like the direction the game is taking and especially have a disdain for the car collector, but at the very least The Bungie employees who worked worked on the game since the days of Halo Reach certainly did a bang up job (better than Walmart) putting together this absolute buffet of content.
lol...this is the rosiest of all the glasses in all the land of all the time. this shit is so rosie i dont even think you believe half the lies you're spouting.
Sounds to me like you're pinning an argument about the way gaming used to be vs the way it is now. it's business, if you don't like the way it is, don't buy into it. You also said that you love Bungie, they could care less. Bungie has good ideas, but they are terrible at making it happen. Do you think Activision would have let Bungie leave just because? Nah, it was because they are terrible. Sony is now realizing it too.
Raid and dungeon exotics are atill heavily sought after and provide unique ways to play the game you couldnt without that weapon. Like were going to ignore the fact conditional finally was the most used pvp weapon for an insanely long time and is still a highly effective, highly sought after raid weapon.
People already just handwaving this and roasting you, but I wanna actually try and explain why these points don't work the way you presented them. 1. The Ghorn example is weird and makes no sense. While it is true that exotics are handed out as participation trophies nowadays, why didn't you bring up exotics that are in both games like No Time To Explain, Trespasser, or Red Death? Those would've been much better, because they quite literally are all handed out by just existing - especially NTTE because that was one of my favorite D1 quests and you get it in D2 just for doing a few basic story missions now (the other two are just good examples of why engram drops are better than season pass drops). But with Ghorn, you have to pay for the current iteration, and it is one of the easier, earlier quests you can get to, so it's in an almost identical situation to the D2 version in terms of how you obtain it. Heck, I'd argue a dungeon (an endgame activity) that's themed after the greatest loot farm in D1, with D1s greatest hits reprised as the reward is a much more fitting and entertaining quest than blowing up some fallen, going to Bannerfall, then blowing up some fallen again. And while there's bad examples of course, there are a few good one's too. Like Icebreaker being a dungeon drop rather than an engram feels appropriate for such a famous gun to returning. 2. Even after countless nerfs, Ghorn is still a must have exotic in D2, and is a staple to a number of raid dps rotations. D1 Exotics are a majority of the time objectively stronger in D2 because they, at base, add a second perk or gimmick compared to D1 (raid and dungeon exotics that belong to D1 are the best example of this) - and then on top of that, you also have catalysts for a majority of them. But again, you still have examples you can use for this point that actually make sense. Like, while Hawkmoon and Khovostov are good in their own right, there's an argument to be made that them being NOTHING like their D1 counterpart makes them pointless, and they should've either been like the original, or a different exotic. And then you got exotics like Lord of Wolves, Queensbreaker Bow, and Bad Juju that have lost the fantasy they fulfilled in D1. Also, if you think there's never been a meta breaking gun in the D2, you've never experienced Divinity, Ghron, Choir Of One, Graviton Lance, Conditional Finality, Coldheart, Prometheus Lens, Hard Light, Thorn, Hawkmoon, Outbreak, or Whisper. Or heck, even Legendaries like Dust Rock, Recluse, Mountaintop, Revoker, or Edge Transit. While half these guns aren't exactly like that NOW, there was a time, be it PvE or PvP, where these guns DOMINATED, and nothing reached even a modicum of their power. 3. The lack of reason to grind guns is far more than just Bungie not releasing any fun weapons to grind. It's a systematic problem that is the result of too many post Witch Queen guns being sidegrades, with the advent of crafting. We already have meta defining weapons, and we can make them a 5/5 if we so choose, so why am I gonna farm the Revenant weapons now that they're RNG only? I got things that are just as good, it's pointless. And adding things like Weapon Enhancement is a bandaid fix, when Bungie has let the issue persist for years. 4. The problem with D2 leveling isn't how you do it. You still have to dungeons, raids, exotic mission, or Trials. And doing strikes or gambit for an hour WILL NOT make you hit the cap. The problem is it's pointless to hit that cap. Sure, you can kind of say that in D1 too, if i can do the raid 5 below why does cap matter, but in D2 the light recommendation has always been so low, the raids are the only thing you haven't automatically hit the cap on already when Bungie raises it. 5. If you think raid gear is mid, Apex Predator, Ancient Gospel, Commemoration, Forbearance, Nullify, Fatebringer, Zauoli's Bane, and Abyss Defiant would like to have a word with you. There's more than that, but I just picked one from each raid that still is among the most used guns in the game. They consistently have the strongest, most unique perk combos in the game, and their Origin Traits feels the most like full on perks. True, Gunsmith weapons are often pretty good, but they aren't the best. They're usually a few season's behind in terms of the best rolls attainable, and Raid and Trials loot is still consistently on top, even years after their debut. 6. I will agree the monetization is probably the biggest reason this game feels horrible to play right now. However, it's not the expansions per se, the monetization is only horrible because the seasonal model. The older these expansions are, the more egregious it feels to see them cost anything because the story is further removed form the most relevant content via seasons. This leads to expansions being confusing and unengaging because the story in a vacuum reads like "You're here now, new bad guy! You're *here* now, new bad guy!" with no logic or motive. I'd still pay full price for D1, it would struggle to recommend D2 at 10% it's current price, forget launch price! And in that sense, i would agree it's too saturated as you say, and it's too much. There needs to be less content that has more care and meaning behind it. 7. You aim with Last Word. That's honestly the most egregious thing you did here. TLDR: Honestly, your points aren't even horrible per se, it's just you could've provided better context and comparisons, and the ones you use sound someone who just doesn't play the game at all. Which is fine if D2 Year 1 burnt you out that much, but don't come back 6 years later and act like you've given it a fair chance when you haven't. You don't even mention the core issues currently, when if you'd played, they'd be unavoidable and surely you'd mention them here. Like, where's the talk about crafting, or seasons, or the on boarding experience.
Idiot: "Omg Destiny 2 is a failure" Destiny 2: Has been around for over 7 years, with over 70k concurrent players on the lower average plus millions of downloads. But yeah sure bud...its a failure
With how far the reach of this video was, you might as well try out as a forward in the NBA. Honestly, appreciate the effort that went into this video but I feel you're absolutely blinded by nostalgia.
@Ysgxsupreme yh like every other live service game ever. wow buy sub + dlc ff14 buy sub + dlc, division buy dlc d2 aint dying when they hundreds of thousands of dlcs every year and is covered by massive yt channels every dlc drop and thats why everyone been hunting new season weapons from dungeon, onslaught, iron banner, trails for the passed 6 weeks
Dam bet you the 3.5 billion dollar company is shaking after this video for real tho they have been put for 10 years and just 4 months ago had there best selling dlc one that had the same ratings as shadow of the erd tree its far from dead and playing d1 for a week doesn’t give you some sort of say on if it is or not
@@Ysgxsupreme so the 10/10 9.5/10 reviews across the board signified it was a bad player experience I genuinely think you just want to cry about it not being d1 when it was the highest rated and most liked expansion wr have every had you not like something doesn't mean that most players didn't your the 1 in a billion congrats your special
I’m done with this shi bro,destiny 2 didn’t fail, it’s just it wasn’t as good as our expectations, if destiny 2 failed the ssktjl got futtbucked and left to die on the streets by the owners, destiny 2 hardly failed because it brought it more people then the original game did
I mean regardless of anything the game lasted longer than most so it never failed 🤷. Can it ? ofc now will it ? Eventually Im sure. I do think that D2 will keep a solid player base for awhile but Bungie definitely has to do do something for the new lights.
End game activities should be required to max out on desirable loot, I think that’s fair. Shouldn’t be able to play 3 crucible games and get high level gear.
brother you are milking a dead cow, your three "points" that you brought your receipt for got no warranty. on the issue of monetization, if you spend money on things in d2 its your choice bungie doesn't have a gun to your head forcing you to buy nothing, buy or don't buy its up to you to type in your card deatails not bungie forcing you. end game levelling so what you play a few hours you level up which btw doesn't even matter anymore becuase of fireteam power so thats another dead horse you are beating. exotics have never felt as powerful and meaningful as they have now, from class items to reworks of older exotics have you been under a rock? destiny has a lot of problems almost all of which bungie is soley responsible for which i'm not going to get into becuase i would die of old age but the game has lasted 10 years still has a playerbase, how long did Anthem last? so many games have come and gone destiny is still here, if you like the game play it if not uninstall, take a break from destiny and feel how much better you feel , everything in your monologue makes zero sense friend , almost makes it look like you take destiny way too seriously which is unhealthy.
Whos buying anything from the gunsmith all loot is from activites ib, trials, raids, dungeons, nightfalls, pvp and everything new coming is for core playlists and what monetisation the annual pass is £50 all in for a years gameplay everyother mmo like wow, ff14 is £150+ a year every take you made in this is terrible
Every take? I disagree. Exotics don’t feel exotic, raid gears ass, the leveling system is annoying, dungeons and season passes on top of expansions should not be a thing, especially when they REMOVE content we paid for. Expansions used to be $30, and that was for an entire year.
It might be your favorite game, that’s cool. But, there is a large community of people who prefer D1, and there are legit hundreds of videos proving that.
@@Ysgxsupreme the only correct take is most exotics not feeling exotic. Raid loot isnt ass and you dont have to buy season pass and dungeons seperate you just buy annual pass which has the dlc, 4 seasons, 2 dungeons and 2 raids every year for £50 yh expansions in 2014 were $30 but everything was cheaper 10 years ago and let be honest d1 had terrible content droughts your $30 didnt get you much content. Dont get me wrong i aint fan boying d2 it has flaws and there is deffo improvements to be made but you sound like someone who has never played d2 and his opinions are based on things you heard from people online who complain at any and everything, D2 is far from dead estimated 80-120k daily players across all platforms, top 20 in steam charts daily beating or equalling elden ring/ helldivers and warframe, just cause you dont like something dont mean its dead
I mean this in the nicest way possible. What are you even saying. 20 minutes of nonsense. Next time write out a script of what you're gonna say. Read it over and organize all your thoughts.
D1 was a good game , not perfect but I have may good memories with it and like 9k hours , d2 failed the first month and then the first exp and the second , if you were there you know how bad it was , and still honestly a bad game due to bad management and trash ceo and higher ups , D2 is made for the casual gamer dad I feel , d1 is Far FAR superior to d2 in every way as it was fun and D2 is a chore 90% of the time but I sadly still play it in spurts and I might have 2k hours into it if that . and you are allowed to think d2 is better thats you im me so im not going to argue about it with anyone, but in the end D2 was a let down and we all know it deep down. also dont forget that they just admitted they knew something was off with the weighted perks and issue since forsaken release and they didn't care to look into it as they didn't believe it was that bad until we showed them the math and now they admit there is an error with perc weights and thats pretty pathetic for a studio this big.
The D2 fan boys coming at me HARD IN THESE COMMENTS. If you gonna come at me you better bring some receipts, cause I got time today.
@@Ysgxsupreme dam the d1 player that is trying to pass of his opinions as proven fact is getting kinda salty lol hope you brought some knee pads so your knees don't hurt while your sucking off year one destiny
Its a lot to read but humor me.
First point. Exotics, yeah. They just aren't as rare, I ran 3 NightFalls today and got two exotics, one from final chest the other a random drop. Decent point. Random side point, Gjallarhorn does not suck it fact its an S tier rocket, whenever rockets are in meta Gjallarhorn is a must have. + complaining that nothing in D2 has broken the meta like D1 Gjallarhorn is stupid, its called better game balance, also there was a gun in D2 called Death Bringer, its been op off and on and still is insanely op when used right but it actually super hard to use. + saying why would we play if there isn't a broken weapon is stupid, why would I play if everything can be done with a single weapon.
Second point. The fact you are complaining about levels in D2 shows you haven't played the game in years bro, we don't have levels, they made raids the dungeons harder and added artificer armour, the only way to get good gear in D2 is do high 'level' content. The complaint about no reason to play raids is dumb because again, now we have craftables, and there are still raid exotics, Vex Mythoclast is legendary, if you have it thats insane because the gun slaps. The craftables alone make the raids worth it.
3rd. The reason D2 sucks for new players is because they aren't caring about new players, they aren't bothered with making it fun for new players because the old ones are all they care about. Every new dlc isn't adding new early game stuff its adding new end game stuff. This completely goes against your point of it being for casuals.
4th. Deleted content is aids, yeah its super cringe they got rid of it. Eververse was also super cringe, but they've done well making Eververse not aids, its all done through bright dust which you get for free. And most of the deleted content is being brought back through new story elements. They brought back mars through Witch Queen and with that an entire new map and new mechanics. There really isn't defending the deleted dlcs but they are trying to make it right. (You don't get exotic quests through strikes, infact all you use strikes for is pinnacle gear).
Most of these points are hard to argue against not because they are good but because you won't get anything we respond with since you clearly haven't played the game in years. Like dude, if I played a game year 1 and complain about it 6 years later I'm going to get annoyed comments.
@@SamwiseIWStan adding craftables and removing what everyone loved about d1 is just insane. people need to move on from destiny2 so bungie can too.
@@Ysgxsupreme lol fr
@@SickNick08 Craftables are bringing back old weapons. Yes its aids they removed them in the first place but they are trying to make that right with the new content. And pretending people need to move on because the games bad is stupid. if the game was bad it wouldn't have as many people playing as it does.
nothing more cringe than D2 players that bang on about D1 all the time.
I’m halfway through with this video and this has to be a troll video, right? Like it has to be. It’s that or you haven’t played D2 since Y1. But if these are your genuine thoughts on the state of CURRENT D2, you’re absolutely waffling here man. OOF.
20 minutes of insanely inaccurate takes, but at least it was entertaining so I’ll give you that.
I appreciate the constructive criticism.
@@Ysgxsupremewell done on appreciating the truth
Considering d2 still has hundreds of thousands of players playing after 7 years is proof in itself the game is a massive success 💀💀
There’s 30-50k active players which is still pretty decent. But TTK, Rise of Iron had 25 million registered players and the peaked over 100k for a good while. Hundreds of thousands of players, may be true. But how many come back everyday? How many players have been lost because of the game shooting itself in the foot?
@ that’s pc only console numbers aren’t available as far as I know
@@hjn4002well I promise you it ain’t close to D1 numbers. If you didn’t play D1, and experience it during its lifespan, don’t say anything about D2. It is successful but literally abandoned most of its core game mechanics and fans.
@@hjn4002if it weren’t dying, TH-camrs who have covered the game for years wouldn’t be struggling for views and leaving the game, there’s hundreds of videos about how this game is dying, or feels dead.
@@Ysgxsupreme I played d1 in its prime I have like 1900 hours on d1 so yes I’m aware and as I remember it almost everyone complained about the game until that April update that revamped all the raids and trials and whatever else
So still going after 7 years, with a large playerbase, don't really think that's failure
Opinion, my friend is not fact.
@@Ysgxsupreme ur video is an opinion and not a fact. d2 is way better than d1 and stop dick riding d1. make better content
Played 4500 hours from forsaken to lightfall. Played some more hours at the end of lightfall when the expansion was 6€ and all 4 seasons became f2p. Stopped after again. Seeing the whole of lightfall just showed me that bungie is dead and nothing will revive it. Zero creativity. Apart from raid weapons we havent gotten a single new legendary weapon with a new look in over 2 years like wtf.
14:18 this mentality is wrong!!!! I will not be an unpaid QA tester!!!!! I paid for a working product. I did NOT pay for a “year long beta that I will be expected to buy extra DLCs”
People like you need to stop accepting “Pay More Receive Less”!!!!!!!!!!
My opinion as someone who played a bit of D1 and a LOT of D2 is that the RNG loot needs to play a bigger factor. As you mention, you get the broken stuff and then you are free to do whatever. I think the logging in each week to do chores to get my gear score high is boring and that's what turned me away from the game. There isn't anything super fun for solos like dungeons in Diablo. There aren't even any neat items like Diablo where "Oh this helmet lets you get +5 in all skills and makes you a powerhouse, but it drops from anywhere and has a very slightly better rate from a rare/legendary enemy and that slight boost is like a .5%". I just want to be able to solo some cool stuff maybe without so many mechanics and not have to chase a season cap all the time.
That being said I did do the lightfall expansion and the raid many times and that's where I did hit season cap and felt like I got everything I wanted, but I think I want more solo replayable stuff like the strikes where I can turn my brain off, crank up the difficulty maybe and chill while still chasing that ultra mythical item. I guess I just want more solo content which can offer similar stuff to the raid or dungeons.
I have to disagree with you here. The only point we agree on is the monetization aspect.
Saying there is no desire to grind loot anymore is extremely incorrect. Exotics DO feel exotic, or no one would use them. Just this year everyone went nuts for the new Still Hunt sniper as it was crazy good for the new raid. It may not have been rng like Gjallarhorn was in D1 but that is not your argument. Your specific argument is that exotics and new weapons aren't good/desirable anymore which is blatantly incorrect. Hell, even at this very moment thousands of people are farming Iron Banner right now for the new Stasis rocket sidearm. I am sorry that D2 has not lived up to your expectations or desires, but I think this video is very opinionated and not very factual which is where a lot of the negativity is coming from.
I appreciate the constructive criticism. Thank you.
I love D2 but the single player aspect is horrible. Not everyone wants to play with randoms
Lol this is a satire video? the game alive (40K+ daily player base) and have constant updates, support from devs, and plans for next years
If you didn’t play D1, when it was truly at its peak player counts, then don’t @ me. Dozens of Destiny TH-camrs leaving the game, views at all time lows.
@@Ysgxsupreme id say the 9 downvotes disagree
My brother, that youtubers are leaving is completely normal, they play 24/7 the same game during 10+ years, it’s completely reasonable they get burn out, even that they stayed so long it’s a good indicator of the excellent performance of the game. New TH-camrs will eventually rise, because player base still strong and quality content keeps coming.
@@Ysgxsupreme all that "left" returned as soon as a new season launched
People may not like the direction the game is taking and especially have a disdain for the car collector, but at the very least The Bungie employees who worked worked on the game since the days of Halo Reach certainly did a bang up job (better than Walmart) putting together this absolute buffet of content.
I just bought destiny 1 for 20 dollars can’t wait for my 8th wrath compleation
the devs killed the game
lets go another D1 stan making rage bait
You already know brother
lol...this is the rosiest of all the glasses in all the land of all the time. this shit is so rosie i dont even think you believe half the lies you're spouting.
Maybe I should run for president.
Sounds to me like you're pinning an argument about the way gaming used to be vs the way it is now. it's business, if you don't like the way it is, don't buy into it. You also said that you love Bungie, they could care less. Bungie has good ideas, but they are terrible at making it happen. Do you think Activision would have let Bungie leave just because? Nah, it was because they are terrible. Sony is now realizing it too.
Raid and dungeon exotics are atill heavily sought after and provide unique ways to play the game you couldnt without that weapon. Like were going to ignore the fact conditional finally was the most used pvp weapon for an insanely long time and is still a highly effective, highly sought after raid weapon.
People already just handwaving this and roasting you, but I wanna actually try and explain why these points don't work the way you presented them.
1. The Ghorn example is weird and makes no sense. While it is true that exotics are handed out as participation trophies nowadays, why didn't you bring up exotics that are in both games like No Time To Explain, Trespasser, or Red Death? Those would've been much better, because they quite literally are all handed out by just existing - especially NTTE because that was one of my favorite D1 quests and you get it in D2 just for doing a few basic story missions now (the other two are just good examples of why engram drops are better than season pass drops).
But with Ghorn, you have to pay for the current iteration, and it is one of the easier, earlier quests you can get to, so it's in an almost identical situation to the D2 version in terms of how you obtain it. Heck, I'd argue a dungeon (an endgame activity) that's themed after the greatest loot farm in D1, with D1s greatest hits reprised as the reward is a much more fitting and entertaining quest than blowing up some fallen, going to Bannerfall, then blowing up some fallen again.
And while there's bad examples of course, there are a few good one's too. Like Icebreaker being a dungeon drop rather than an engram feels appropriate for such a famous gun to returning.
2. Even after countless nerfs, Ghorn is still a must have exotic in D2, and is a staple to a number of raid dps rotations. D1 Exotics are a majority of the time objectively stronger in D2 because they, at base, add a second perk or gimmick compared to D1 (raid and dungeon exotics that belong to D1 are the best example of this) - and then on top of that, you also have catalysts for a majority of them.
But again, you still have examples you can use for this point that actually make sense. Like, while Hawkmoon and Khovostov are good in their own right, there's an argument to be made that them being NOTHING like their D1 counterpart makes them pointless, and they should've either been like the original, or a different exotic. And then you got exotics like Lord of Wolves, Queensbreaker Bow, and Bad Juju that have lost the fantasy they fulfilled in D1.
Also, if you think there's never been a meta breaking gun in the D2, you've never experienced Divinity, Ghron, Choir Of One, Graviton Lance, Conditional Finality, Coldheart, Prometheus Lens, Hard Light, Thorn, Hawkmoon, Outbreak, or Whisper. Or heck, even Legendaries like Dust Rock, Recluse, Mountaintop, Revoker, or Edge Transit. While half these guns aren't exactly like that NOW, there was a time, be it PvE or PvP, where these guns DOMINATED, and nothing reached even a modicum of their power.
3. The lack of reason to grind guns is far more than just Bungie not releasing any fun weapons to grind. It's a systematic problem that is the result of too many post Witch Queen guns being sidegrades, with the advent of crafting. We already have meta defining weapons, and we can make them a 5/5 if we so choose, so why am I gonna farm the Revenant weapons now that they're RNG only? I got things that are just as good, it's pointless. And adding things like Weapon Enhancement is a bandaid fix, when Bungie has let the issue persist for years.
4. The problem with D2 leveling isn't how you do it. You still have to dungeons, raids, exotic mission, or Trials. And doing strikes or gambit for an hour WILL NOT make you hit the cap.
The problem is it's pointless to hit that cap. Sure, you can kind of say that in D1 too, if i can do the raid 5 below why does cap matter, but in D2 the light recommendation has always been so low, the raids are the only thing you haven't automatically hit the cap on already when Bungie raises it.
5. If you think raid gear is mid, Apex Predator, Ancient Gospel, Commemoration, Forbearance, Nullify, Fatebringer, Zauoli's Bane, and Abyss Defiant would like to have a word with you. There's more than that, but I just picked one from each raid that still is among the most used guns in the game. They consistently have the strongest, most unique perk combos in the game, and their Origin Traits feels the most like full on perks.
True, Gunsmith weapons are often pretty good, but they aren't the best. They're usually a few season's behind in terms of the best rolls attainable, and Raid and Trials loot is still consistently on top, even years after their debut.
6. I will agree the monetization is probably the biggest reason this game feels horrible to play right now. However, it's not the expansions per se, the monetization is only horrible because the seasonal model. The older these expansions are, the more egregious it feels to see them cost anything because the story is further removed form the most relevant content via seasons. This leads to expansions being confusing and unengaging because the story in a vacuum reads like "You're here now, new bad guy! You're *here* now, new bad guy!" with no logic or motive.
I'd still pay full price for D1, it would struggle to recommend D2 at 10% it's current price, forget launch price! And in that sense, i would agree it's too saturated as you say, and it's too much. There needs to be less content that has more care and meaning behind it.
7. You aim with Last Word. That's honestly the most egregious thing you did here.
TLDR: Honestly, your points aren't even horrible per se, it's just you could've provided better context and comparisons, and the ones you use sound someone who just doesn't play the game at all. Which is fine if D2 Year 1 burnt you out that much, but don't come back 6 years later and act like you've given it a fair chance when you haven't.
You don't even mention the core issues currently, when if you'd played, they'd be unavoidable and surely you'd mention them here. Like, where's the talk about crafting, or seasons, or the on boarding experience.
Idiot: "Omg Destiny 2 is a failure"
Destiny 2: Has been around for over 7 years, with over 70k concurrent players on the lower average plus millions of downloads.
But yeah sure bud...its a failure
With how far the reach of this video was, you might as well try out as a forward in the NBA.
Honestly, appreciate the effort that went into this video but I feel you're absolutely blinded by nostalgia.
Thank you for the constructive criticism.
And I am 100% nostalgic for this game bruh.
@@Ysgxsupremewell done on thanking the truth
Is this rage bait?
D2 literally asks you to buy a dlc and a skin if you want. Tell me you never played d2 without telling me
@@joesaunders84 a dlc if you want? It’s essential to play any of the new activities. Wdym?
@Ysgxsupreme yh like every other live service game ever. wow buy sub + dlc ff14 buy sub + dlc, division buy dlc d2 aint dying when they hundreds of thousands of dlcs every year and is covered by massive yt channels every dlc drop and thats why everyone been hunting new season weapons from dungeon, onslaught, iron banner, trails for the passed 6 weeks
@@Ysgxsupremenah there’s certain things you can do to get them for free, like I did
Dam bet you the 3.5 billion dollar company is shaking after this video for real tho they have been put for 10 years and just 4 months ago had there best selling dlc one that had the same ratings as shadow of the erd tree its far from dead and playing d1 for a week doesn’t give you some sort of say on if it is or not
I’m not saying it’s DEAD, saying D1 was a better product, for much less investment.
And numbers are great, sales are great. The individual experience is another thing.
@@Ysgxsupreme so the 10/10 9.5/10 reviews across the board signified it was a bad player experience I genuinely think you just want to cry about it not being d1 when it was the highest rated and most liked expansion wr have every had you not like something doesn't mean that most players didn't your the 1 in a billion congrats your special
I’m done with this shi bro,destiny 2 didn’t fail, it’s just it wasn’t as good as our expectations, if destiny 2 failed the ssktjl got futtbucked and left to die on the streets by the owners, destiny 2 hardly failed because it brought it more people then the original game did
I mean regardless of anything the game lasted longer than most so it never failed 🤷. Can it ? ofc now will it ? Eventually Im sure. I do think that D2 will keep a solid player base for awhile but Bungie definitely has to do do something for the new lights.
The game is a success brother, IDK what's considered success in your book 😂😂😂😂😂😂
So forcing everyone to play the raid is good?
End game activities should be required to max out on desirable loot, I think that’s fair. Shouldn’t be able to play 3 crucible games and get high level gear.
brother you are milking a dead cow, your three "points" that you brought your receipt for got no warranty. on the issue of monetization, if you spend money on things in d2 its your choice bungie doesn't have a gun to your head forcing you to buy nothing, buy or don't buy its up to you to type in your card deatails not bungie forcing you. end game levelling so what you play a few hours you level up which btw doesn't even matter anymore becuase of fireteam power so thats another dead horse you are beating. exotics have never felt as powerful and meaningful as they have now, from class items to reworks of older exotics have you been under a rock? destiny has a lot of problems almost all of which bungie is soley responsible for which i'm not going to get into becuase i would die of old age but the game has lasted 10 years still has a playerbase, how long did Anthem last? so many games have come and gone destiny is still here, if you like the game play it if not uninstall, take a break from destiny and feel how much better you feel , everything in your monologue makes zero sense friend , almost makes it look like you take destiny way too seriously which is unhealthy.
20 minutes of rage bait i couldn't man 😅
Whos buying anything from the gunsmith all loot is from activites ib, trials, raids, dungeons, nightfalls, pvp and everything new coming is for core playlists and what monetisation the annual pass is £50 all in for a years gameplay everyother mmo like wow, ff14 is £150+ a year every take you made in this is terrible
Every take? I disagree. Exotics don’t feel exotic, raid gears ass, the leveling system is annoying, dungeons and season passes on top of expansions should not be a thing, especially when they REMOVE content we paid for. Expansions used to be $30, and that was for an entire year.
It might be your favorite game, that’s cool. But, there is a large community of people who prefer D1, and there are legit hundreds of videos proving that.
@@Ysgxsupreme the only correct take is most exotics not feeling exotic. Raid loot isnt ass and you dont have to buy season pass and dungeons seperate you just buy annual pass which has the dlc, 4 seasons, 2 dungeons and 2 raids every year for £50 yh expansions in 2014 were $30 but everything was cheaper 10 years ago and let be honest d1 had terrible content droughts your $30 didnt get you much content. Dont get me wrong i aint fan boying d2 it has flaws and there is deffo improvements to be made but you sound like someone who has never played d2 and his opinions are based on things you heard from people online who complain at any and everything, D2 is far from dead estimated 80-120k daily players across all platforms, top 20 in steam charts daily beating or equalling elden ring/ helldivers and warframe, just cause you dont like something dont mean its dead
This has to be satire
It’s one of the most successful FPS games of all time 😂 what are you smoking, man?
I mean this in the nicest way possible. What are you even saying. 20 minutes of nonsense. Next time write out a script of what you're gonna say. Read it over and organize all your thoughts.
Your not wrong
D1 was a good game , not perfect but I have may good memories with it and like 9k hours , d2 failed the first month and then the first exp and the second , if you were there you know how bad it was , and still honestly a bad game due to bad management and trash ceo and higher ups , D2 is made for the casual gamer dad I feel , d1 is Far FAR superior to d2 in every way as it was fun and D2 is a chore 90% of the time but I sadly still play it in spurts and I might have 2k hours into it if that . and you are allowed to think d2 is better thats you im me so im not going to argue about it with anyone, but in the end D2 was a let down and we all know it deep down. also dont forget that they just admitted they knew something was off with the weighted perks and issue since forsaken release and they didn't care to look into it as they didn't believe it was that bad until we showed them the math and now they admit there is an error with perc weights and thats pretty pathetic for a studio this big.
L Take.
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