Had F10 M5 for 3 yrs. It was troublesome and luckily I had extended warranty. Some issues: Coolant leaks x 3 ,condenser,charge coolers defective x 3,faulty fender cams,ignition coil issues, herky jerky DCT was never fixed but they tried, front suspension clunk x 2, total shop times over a month. This car is fast but dangerous as hell because the rear tires would spin at almost any speed. My 10th and last BMW M car was dare I say fast but unreliable.
This shit is why I bought the 4 pot diesel. Beyond normal maintenance, all I've had to do so far is toss in a pound of refrigerant every couple of years. Could be the Schrader valves, could be the evaporator -- it's slow enough that I don't care to diagnose. Speaking of slow, sure, the car accelerates like a Camry. But put it in the twisties and that BMW chassis comes alive. I've pulled full-on Miata lateral Gs hooning it through California forests.
Just like to say I have had my 2014 model for 11 months, no issues whatsoever. It had a major service when I had it and no oil has been added since. People normally just post up issues with their car but I wanted to balance it with my positive experience of my car.
@@JAY-wl6qq In the end I sold it after 22 months and had no oil or battery issues. Only one issue which was to the iDrive display (lines on screen), replaced under warranty and the screen is common to other 5 series so not a M5 fault. Only reason to sell the car was to buy a 4 year old Cayman 718. th-cam.com/video/ap5L9DPgKW0/w-d-xo.html
I have had my 2014 F10 M5 for 72 000km. She is an absolute beast and apart from shredding rear tyres she has been rock solid. The only issues have been new battery at 55 000km, new discs and pads 60 000km, replace coolant lines by turbos and front right wheel bearing 70 000km. Other than that she puts a smile on my face every day! I extended the motorplan for 7 years/ 100 000km so all was fixed under warranty.
Agreed the only glitch for me is the replacement of the cooling line to the turbo. The thing has never let us down and such a total enjoyment. Materials and build quality are top rated too. Definitely lots of bangs for the buck especially if you got a used non abused one. The M engine is not typical problematic regular BMW.
I have had one for the last 5 years, driven it hard all the time, not a single issue. And every time I turn it on, what a feeling. I do not (!) think this video reflects the true value of this car.
Never had any problems with my F10 M5, No oil consumption, no problems with the battery, just had it sitting for 3 months and It started right up, not even a low battery warning !! Car now has almost 30k miles on it and is also tuned. But I do recommend to everyone getting one used to get an extended warranty on it !!
had my 2014 LCI for a year no battery issues and oil consumption seems just as my old E60 530d M57TU2, these guys in the video are talking utter bullshit.
The problem is he's testing the wrong M5. If he drove mine, he'd have a totally different outlook. You need a real exhaust, real suspension and a real tune to get the full glorious experienced!
Had my ‘14 plate LCI in the UK for 18 months and 25k miles (now at 55k). Zero oil consumption, ever. Has an increased battery capacity from factory so can leave for weeks with no issue. Has a different sound symposer so don’t get that fake noise none sense. Had a new transmission within 5k miles under warranty replaced with a different part code, no further issues. Had a comfort access door handle replaced, and that’s it. No check engine lights, no squeaks or rattles. Changed tyres to Michelin PS4S for radical improvement in the wet. Can do big miles, cross continents and see over 25mpg no problem day to day. Enjoy it for itself in the beautiful Welsh valleys when I can. It’s not all doom and gloom you know.
A Camaro ZL1 would eat this thing alive in every performance metric, be infinitely more reliable, and costs about $40k less (new) - oh but I know, it doesn't have the "badge" all the "I'm richer than you" little asshat M boys want. I loathe most BMW owners, 90% fit the sterotype perfectly
i also have an f10 m5 and alot of those problems happen on the PRE LCI model. I burn a little bit of oil but not much just coils and spark plugs other than that i love this car.i have 112k miles on it and running strong.
Steve FOX Hi Steve, what does LCI mean? I am currently in the market for an F10 m5 and trying to gather as much info ahead of time. Would love to chat with you about your ownership experience
My 2014 F10 M5 beside some minor issues such as leaky inter cool .. line and AC needed to be recharged at 40k miles so far has been having zero problem with any drivetrain components. Steering wheel noise over bumps is another annoying issue at random. Other than that a very fun, exciting, confident car to cruise especially for long distance trips. Took mime across Dead Valley California and Las Vegas in the summer heat with no issues. Never lost a challenge with street idiots when they parked next to an M5. Still loving it a lot.
Just incase anyone out there was thinking "maybe the 4 cylinder 2.0 Turbo is more reliable" I can confirm that it has plenty of weaknesses. At 70,000 miles I just replaced, timing chain, timing chain guides, and oil pump. Not to mention steering column bearing, and a couple front suspension components. BMW made good NA strait 6 cylinder engines, everything they make that has turbos is TOTALLY UNRELIABLE.
Antoine Pageau Just did the chains too at 65k under warranty. BMW recommended I changed oil pump too, while they were in there. It was $600. Did yours fail and did it fall under warranty?
The instant they introduced variable valve timing, reliability flew out the window. But nearly every (sub-7-series)car before that was actually reasonable in terms of maintenance.
Had my 2014 LCI M5 for 4yrs and done 30,000 miles in it. The only problem I have had is the air conditioning condenser replaced when I first got it, (a known 5 series issue). The car has not had any of the issues you raise. It represents amazing value second hand and plays the role of luxurious daily driver and ridiculous hyper saloon. I never worry about it not starting or an engine light coming on, because nothing ever goes wrong with it. It'll even do 30mpg on the motorway, and the high speed acceleration is insane. Equivalent AMG mercedes and Audi's are quite a lot more expensive and don't really offer anything extra for the money (you could argue the sound bit and traction in the case of the Audi).
Bought used - Road trip Seattle to Boston no issues- Boston to Seattle no issues- added oil 4x it runs fine. Going through Midwest averaging speed -fast all the time. Love this car for now!
When people buy a BMW their perspective regarding reliability changes. Instead of thinking “200k miles with no serious problems” is reliable you think “2000 miles with no problems” is reliable. It happened to me, then I bought a Nissan and I’ve realize how catastrophically unreliable and expensive the BMW was. However, it did drive great. Also I don’t think other Germans are less expensive and reliable, I know for damn sure Audi is not.
I've had a 2013 M5 for 3 years now and fortunately, I have not had any significant problems. I also use JB4 and boost 4lbs over stock for around 600hp. It does eat a quart of oil about every 1,000 miles. I've replaced maybe 10 coil packs and 5 spark plugs outside or a change of all of them. At 100,000 I replaced the air conditioner pump. I've replaced 3 of the rubber short hoses for the liquid inner-cooler. The coil packs are about $24. My 335 and my x3 also go through coil packs, not really a big deal. I have 110,000 miles on it now and I've been pretty impressed. I have not had super-car problems, knock on wood. Any car aside from a Toyota or Honda would likely need as much. My x3 has 130,000 and runs like a champ. I like BMWs, I wouldn't call them reliable, but they;ve had the 4.4 for years now.
So many owner reviews seem so much more positive than this. I think this particular one is a real lemon that had a haaard life. LCI f10s are reportedly very reliable and much sharper to drive.
Having owned both a 2013 M5 and a 2014 M5 with competition package and carbon ceramic brakes they are almost completely different vehicles. I owned the 2013 for about a year I upgrade the roll bars to the competition ones and it helped a little but the steering sucked. They made it so much better in the 2014 M5 with competition and carbon ceramic brakes. I have owned the 2014 for almost 2 years now and can say its like a different vehicle. I have had only 2 issues first the rear axle broke that wasn't fun but AAA helped out and even though I was in the middle of nowhere I was only stranded for a little over an hour. The second issue was the AC condenser had a leak so my AC didn't work. Both issues were paid mostly by the aftermarket warranty which you would be stupid not to get one no matter the cost. In both of the M5's I owned I have never had a check engine light and as for oil consumption the first one used a quart every 2k-2.5k miles and the second one maybe every 4k miles. Never had a battery issue never had a check engine light and I drive the things like I stole them. Hence the broken axle. The F10 M5 is far from perfect, but you aren't really doing it justice by not testing the best version of it which is the competition package with carbon ceramic brakes.
The oil consumption, failing chains, leaky gaskets and hoses was resulted in the vehicle's running very high thermal parameters, we're talking at normal operating temperature 110*C (230*F) for water, around 120-130*C (248-266*F) of oil temperature and the coolant system pressure runs at 2.0 Bar (29 psi) to compensate the higher coolant temperature. (A normal engine is about 90*C (194*F) for water, 100*C (212*f)oil and 1-1.4 bar (14-20 PSI) for coolant pressure) If you were to run this parameters into a normal engine you'll start having problems soon let alone I can't imagine what are the thermals when you take it on a full day of track it be close to meltdown . I think this engine can be more reliable if we lowered its thermal and coolant pressure operation by installing cooler opening thermostat, oil thermostat bypass and a lower pressure coolant cap.
this is true for pretty much all german engine design. the hotter they run the more thermal efficient they believe it is. problem is most people dont drive their car under lab condition, in real life they use just as much gas as regular engine designs. that why good old cast iron engine last over time, plastic parts are usually only tested for 1000 heat cycles. hence why newer engine break so much sooner than older ones with more solid metal parts
@@Dunkaroos248Yeah BMW took emissions way more serious and honest than VW. Their older diesels are still polluting, but rarely a black cloud of smoke like in VW TDI.
My 2012 M5 has the same oil consumption issues. I add about 1 liter every 1.5 to 2.5 months. But so long as I keep feeding it, it seems to be happy. I think a third party warranty is a must for peace of mind.
@@j-g9463 In the end I sold it after 22 months and had no oil or battery issues. Only one issue which was to the iDrive display (lines on screen), replaced under warranty and the screen is common to other 5 series so not a M5 fault. Only reason to sell the car was to buy a 4 year old Cayman 718.
Iv been driving around mine for last two years, 0 issue. Had a recall done on coolant line otherwise no issues at all f10 m5 is way more reliable than e60 m5 i think.
My 2012 M5 F10 with 100 k with standard transmission for me the best car on the market, great driving experience and amazing fuel economy makes me keep this car forever!
I think the main problem people have with m cars and the m5 in particular is that they don't realize this is a super car that looks like a sedan. So, by nature it's going to be unreliable and expensive to maintain.
There are quite a few cars with supercar performance that don't require that level of maintenance. There is a reason why these cars implode in value on the aftermarket. If it was normal the depreciation would be more consistent with the market but it's not.
Marlon Bailey That’s False, Supercars are usually less driven. Mclarens, Ferrari’s or anything 550+HP V8 with turbos are going to give you problems.. Porsche’s are the exception because they use N/A and are reliable Because of that. M5 is really a Supercar with a sedan body, the rich wouldn’t have a problem with the car.
My 2013 M5 has 100k miles and has been a dream to own. No oil consumption or battery issues. I think most owners of the F10 M5 neglect to do the necessary maintenance. Regular oil change are just the beginning. I've changed oil, filters, plugs, coils, transmission oil and filter, and differential oil on mine. With a JB4 piggyback tuner, mine is putting down almost 650 hp to the wheels. It's truly a car with a split personality.
@@Albino1776 same boat lol, how much you find one of these , i found 2014 for around 30k+ 160k miles tho, but im leaning towards the 2013 , theres a lot of used cars to choose from in 2013 model.
Just dropping a comment to let you know I really hope you review the 2020 Corvette when you get the chance, Savagegeese. Your detailed review on a newly designed car is needed. Thanks for all your work man!
Dude, I know everyone simps on the E39, and rightly so, but I've owned E34 and E39. E34 never left me stranded but the seats bent and leaned out of shape. My E39 did leave me stranded because it was known to have CPS failures and send the car into limp mode in the middle of a road trip on the highway at 80 mph. None of these cars come without their gremlins, that's why you can buy a $114,000 car for $37, 000 a few years later.
I've always felt BMWs develop significant BSRs earlier on than I'd like, given the quality of their materials and cost, but that's also (perceptually) a side-effect of a quiet cabin.
@@harveymorgan1749 buzz/squeaks/rattles- an industry term for noise created by the interaction f parts contacting one another or even inherent within the part. My experience is that BMW has premature bsr issues in the hvac vents and along the ip, A-pillar and ip cover.At least for the price/quality
And you need warned about Scotty Kilmer. He is rude to his viewers, he never replies to his viewers unless he can knock them down. In some cases he gives bad advice. You have now been warned.
I personally prefer the E28, just because it's that much lighter and the engine sounds so much more mechanical. But there's not doubt the E39 is a terrific masterpiece
@John Villeneuve The E34 has not been forgotten. People always rant and rave about it whenever the topic of the M5 is brought up. If anything, that and the current M5 are the only ones that are talked about.
@@masterdriveroftoyotazupr4164 The V10 is exactly why I like the E60 so much. It's such a unique car with an exhaust note you'd only hear from a supercar.
I think you guys were unnecessarily harsh in this review. Drive an F10 M5 Competition. It is a sublime daily driver, with supercar performance and city-connecting grand touring capabilities. I have a 991 Porsche C4S and previously a 997.1 GT3RS and the M5 delivers a great driving experience. There are some faults for sure, but this M5 is one of my all time favorites.
I have a f10 M5 competition and it`s a brutal car. Not consuming a drip of oil. Over 300km/h best comfort at high speeds on autobahn You can`t get more car for the money
@@johnrichter2096 There's a reason nobody likes the F10. It has too much power for what it is. The X5 M can actually brake and corner due to its massive brakes, tires, and awd. If yoi don't believe me, look at any curcuit where they timed both. The X5 is always faster unless it's only straights.
I had the 2016 LCI with low mileage. Best car I’ve ever had- zero issues. I heard horror stories about the early pre LCIs and you pretty much summed it up. In my opinion your review is biased towards the negative aspects. But it’s your review and I respect your analysis.
I bought a 2003 192.000 km Z4 one year ago here in Germany. When it´s not broken, it performs really nice. I had to be towed two times already and the tow guy laughed at me. My last BMTroubleyou, I swear. I don´t care for the new ones anyway. Toyota Supra owners be prepared for all kinds of trouble with the engine and tech.
I always hated cars and never cared for them (im a motorcycle guy, sport, super sport, naked, dual sport, adventure, dirt)but i can say without a shadow of a doubt that your channel is absolutely perfect, kinda like how Fortnine is with motorcycle info
My 08 E60 M5 has 136.5k, original RBs, repacked throttle bodies at 95K as well as leaking oil cooler. Other than that, the car has been incredibly solid. I drive it pretty hard, M mode often. The best thing, it sounds amazing, V10. F10 never turned me on, it’s muffled, a typical 528/535 feeling with better seats. F90, looks better and sounds better. Let’s see if it lives up to the hype.
I had a comp spec 2015 M5 with DCT. No issues with car for me. Besides regular service for oils, tires and brakes, no other trip. No oil burn issue either. It was a very reliable car for me. I tracked my car (didn't enjoy it much given the weight) but never abused my car excessively. He complains about steering - rightfully so. Non Comp package steering was crap but with the comp package it was day and night difference. I can't agree with him on reliability for reasons above. These things do drop like a rock. My sticker was ~$120k and 3.5 years later it was into the 60's. I don't have the car anymore and now when I look at it, I think of it as "Good car but I didn't love it". Good memories though...
I've got an M6 with the same S63TU motor at 55K miles with Dinan stage 2 setup. It's been fantastic. Turbo coolant tubes did leak once but nothing else. It beats motorcycles all the time. GXR1000 and Harley owners HATE on it haha.
I drove 3, because I worked as a valet when it came out. I didn't discover the M button until the third one I drove. And let me tell you guys, it sings! The sound is so unique!
When buying any car, the totality of the experience should be what drives the decision. Having performance isn't enough to make up for how unreliable this is. Warranty or not, I can't believe that people don't punish lazy manufacturers for inferior products by NOT buying their product.Why would BMW invest in making something reliable if they regularly sell their pile of shit?
Pain Killer Exactly. The fiat debt based money system is the true base of this negative dynamic over time. come to think of it, BMW is one of the companies right now that has a negative interest rate on many of it's bonds.
just traded in my 16 m3 for a 16 m5 ultimate edition. m5 is a clear winner. Far as repairs, no idea since I only had it for 3 days. Had m3 for 6 months, it was quick with no issues.
I had oil consumption problems after I got my F10. Liqui Molly has a product for reducing oil consumption that has dramatically reduced the issue for me.
Y'all. I get that some of you don't have time for it, but from the bottom of my heart, if you genuinely don't have time to maintain a car of this nature.... DO. NOT. OWN ONE!!!! Learn to work on shit yourselves, stop relying on BMW, indie shops, etc to do the work for you and in the process, charging you as much as they feasibly can. Learning basic maintenance, preventative maintenance, common problems and their solutions not only gives you guaranteed peace of mind that if something does break, you know how to fix it, but it will 100% of the time guarantee you less strain on the pockets, especially in the long run. The goal is to have fun and enjoy a passion, you don't buy an M5 if you don't want either of those.
sick introduction tune! i loved that! about the "feeling more disconnected from the outside world." who want's that in an ///M car? i wanted just a luxurious high powered cruiser, i'd have an 540i. ///M cars should put more emphasis on driving and connecting with the road. at least that's my opinion.
At least that V10 Bangle Butt version was sexy and aggressive. This thing is just a fat pig that can go fast. Ugly and complex lease special that will lose 80% of its value in 5 years.
I have owned many BMW, now have a f13 m6 for 3 years, never had a single issue with it. Now pushing over 700hp & 700 trq for over a year and it s running strong no issues.... the problem with these cars is that people buy them but don't do the recommended maintenance on them, or just beat the shit out of them 24/7 and then are surprised when they break.
My 2015 M5 F10 Competition has none of these problems and I'm on 73.000 KM, i think this owner got a lemon and US/Canada M cars are much more lower quality because i haven't heard here in Germany the problems you are saying and I'm in a pretty big BMW club (maybe 2012 models?). Its been a very reliable car for me, this is not a car for the back roads, this is the Undisputed King of the Highways this car makes part of that 1% cars that can actually go 310KM/h really stupid fast while weighting 2 tons+ very comfortable. When you buy a any M you should know what you are getting into, you are not buying a toyota that needs maintenance every now and then this is a Luxury Sedan that happens to have a performance engine and a performance gear box.
I'm a 2-time owner of the F10 M5. first a 2013 F10 M5 that i leased new and currently a pre-owned mid-cycle refreshed 2014 model. i'll say that the 2013 model did burn oil rapidly from day one and i had to frequently purchase extra quarts at autozone and refill. at 25K miles the turbos on the car crapped out & luckily my warranty covered the $20K bill it cost to replace them. i returned the 2013 M5 at the end of it's lease then bought a used CPO 2015 750i. but i found the 750i to be too big and lumbering so in november 2018 i traded it in for a used CPO 2014 F10 M5 with 41K miles on it. given my experience with the 2013 model, i chose to add the $5K warranty for peace of mind. i've only put about 3K miles on the 2014 model as it's not a daily driver. but i have driven this car much harder than the 2013 i had, taking it into the canyons in southern california and on spirited freeway runs late at night. i've also added a bootmode ECU flash, full meisterschaft exhaust system including the catless downpipes. the car does have more squeaks now as a result of the heavy vibrating from the exhaust. however, i haven't once had an oil light come on or experience any issues at all. so far so good.
The S63B44T0 is a much-improved engine over the N63 (Google N63 CCP) and the post LCI F10 M5's are the only ones I would consider. The S63B44T0 is relatively similar to the S63B44T4 in production now in the F90 M5, as is also the basis of the BMW P63 motor used in BMW M8 GTE racing. How the vehicle has been maintained initially will go a long way into determining how well the vehicle/motor will run/last the rest of its life; get a low mileage example that has had its oil changed regularly, (using good oil,) and you won't consume any oil.
Not many people know you do your own music , I love the attention to detail and how hard you work. I don’t have the money to support financially right now but I really really love this channel and the happy music at the beginning lol. Very catchy.
nic louw went from an rs7 to an m5 and both vehicles were very reliable. Just have to take care of them and not abuse them. But I would not recommend them to anyone who doesn’t work on them normally as I do. But both incredible vehicles.
@@ksmuffin I'm 73.000 km with my 2015 m5 f10 competition, none of the problems described by this dude and i know quite few of the other people owning this machine with no problems.
I've owned two E60 M5s. I got them both for very cheap. One touring (E61), and one berline. I drove both like i stole them all the time. I'm not talking about breaking the speed limit all the time, i'm talking about driving them like a complete ass. Sideways whenever i could, big smokey burnout launches, launch control regularly, etc etc. I loved the motor, i hated the fact that they put it in a big body like that. Although, that being said, pulling up to ikea in the touring and filling it up kind of has it's upsides lol. Here's the thing. I never had any problems with them. Previous owners had lots of problems, but i didn't. The berline had issues with the throttle bodies, exhaust system, transmission (SMG pump), etc etc. The touring had previously had a huge list of things that had to get fixed due to the previous owner filling it up with diesel (lol). I stuffed one, the other got stolen. I loved these cars, but hated the transmission. However, one thing would prevent me from ever buying one again ... the fuel consumption is unreal. Like ridiculous. The F10 M5? I got to drive one, and ... it was everything i hated about the E60, namely a big body, lots of weight, etc etc minues the one thing i absolutely loved about the E60, namely the motor. Oh, and the SMG ... it was terrible 90% of the time, but when you were on it, it was magic.
@@Pube83 The one i stuffed was stuffed pretty thoroughly. I caught a ledge right between where the bumper ends and the sump starts. I could see the crank shaft. It was well and truly stuffed. Total loss. A motor for one of these is very expensive. The market value didn't warrant replacing it. The one that got stolen ... well ... let's just say i never got paid. Long legal battle with the insurance co. Always read the fine print. It wasn't parked in my garage. It was found later on ... well some of it ... lepie.kinja.com/so-they-found-my-car-1450616289 Oh well ... life goes on. As for the insurance premium. Nope. Both times, it was registered to a company.
F10 M5 came out in 2013 MY so not sure how you got a 2012? The issues that you list are very minimal - overall the S63 motor is much more reliable than the N63 which is a POS. Also you fail to talk about the Competition Package which debuted at LCI and provided more power, better handling etc. I like your reviews but the focus on reliability is a bit much and usually blown out of proportion.
There is no such thing as 2012 M5. The first model year for F10 M5 was 2013 but yes it came out in 2012! Just like the new Supra is 2020MY but came out in 2019.
My 2013 m5 has original battery non of the issues he mentioned check engine light every week ? He must have some cheap ass tune on that car I beat the shit out of my car everytime I drive it I yet to see check engine light
I've been checking used prices for these and seriously thinking about pulling the trigger. But in order to do it I would have to give up my E60 550I M Sport 6 sp manual that has been very reliable with almost 100k miles. Decisions , decisions. Love your reviews. Keep them coming.
Not all my miles, but mine has done 119k Miles without any huge problems. It's a great 'one car' fits family, does 250 mile boring motorway meeting days chatting on hands free, and is still fun on a B-Road. Not amazing or the best at anything but better than most cars at most things.
I am not a BMW fan but will watch any video of any car done by Mark the Savage Gooseman! What I liked about the car is the rear wheel drive and the capability of turning off all safety controls. Cant wait for the podcast.
I appreciate this review as i was actively looking into the f10 M5. I’d love to see your honest opinion on the F80 M3’s. Seems like they are more reliable than the E90 and the F10 which are both on my list.
Had F10 M5 for 3 yrs. It was troublesome and luckily I had extended warranty. Some issues: Coolant leaks x 3 ,condenser,charge coolers defective x 3,faulty fender cams,ignition coil issues, herky jerky DCT was never fixed but they tried, front suspension clunk x 2, total shop times over a month. This car is fast but dangerous as hell because the rear tires would spin at almost any speed. My 10th and last BMW M car was dare I say fast but unreliable.
That's actually not all that bad for an M5.
This shit is why I bought the 4 pot diesel. Beyond normal maintenance, all I've had to do so far is toss in a pound of refrigerant every couple of years. Could be the Schrader valves, could be the evaporator -- it's slow enough that I don't care to diagnose.
Speaking of slow, sure, the car accelerates like a Camry. But put it in the twisties and that BMW chassis comes alive. I've pulled full-on Miata lateral Gs hooning it through California forests.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is why these cars are called money pits.
LOVELY cars but big but spend money like pissing DOWN the toilet hole ,,
The car is not dangerous. You just don’t know how to drive . Go buy a Prius.
Just like to say I have had my 2014 model for 11 months, no issues whatsoever. It had a major service when I had it and no oil has been added since. People normally just post up issues with their car but I wanted to balance it with my positive experience of my car.
How is it now
@@JAY-wl6qq In the end I sold it after 22 months and had no oil or battery issues. Only one issue which was to the iDrive display (lines on screen), replaced under warranty and the screen is common to other 5 series so not a M5 fault. Only reason to sell the car was to buy a 4 year old Cayman 718.
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I have had my 2014 F10 M5 for 72 000km. She is an absolute beast and apart from shredding rear tyres she has been rock solid. The only issues have been new battery at 55 000km, new discs and pads 60 000km, replace coolant lines by turbos and front right wheel bearing 70 000km. Other than that she puts a smile on my face every day! I extended the motorplan for 7 years/ 100 000km so all was fixed under warranty.
gareth brown how much was your extended warranty
Agreed the only glitch for me is the replacement of the cooling line to the turbo. The thing has never let us down and such a total enjoyment. Materials and build quality are top rated too. Definitely lots of bangs for the buck especially if you got a used non abused one. The M engine is not typical problematic regular BMW.
You still have this beast?
@@brekkottchapman3569 unfortunately not I sold her 2 months back because of escalating fuel costs. No regrets though. Very special machine
I have had one for the last 5 years, driven it hard all the time, not a single issue. And every time I turn it on, what a feeling. I do not (!) think this video reflects the true value of this car.
agreed they are both bullshit talkers.
@@GrahamReid34 who?
same here
I have had mine for 3 years. its done 90 000km and never missed a beat! I drive hard and it puts a smile on my face everyday. Video was crap
You don't know shit about nice cars that's why.
Never had any problems with my F10 M5,
No oil consumption, no problems with the battery, just had it sitting for 3 months and It started right up, not even a low battery warning !!
Car now has almost 30k miles on it and is also tuned.
But I do recommend to everyone getting one used to get an extended warranty on it !!
agreed no problems on mine after 72 000km
I think the one they tested is a pre LCI. I have a 2015 LCI with 72k miles on it and never had any issues.
Yeah, actually managed to total mine last week, shot off a cliff and rolled like 10 times, lucky to be alive, props to bmw for making safe cars
had my 2014 LCI for a year no battery issues and oil consumption seems just as my old E60 530d M57TU2, these guys in the video are talking utter bullshit.
I had one for 3 years and it was zoro problems i loved it.
The problem is he's testing the wrong M5.
If he drove mine, he'd have a totally different outlook. You need a real exhaust, real suspension and a real tune to get the full glorious experienced!
Flossy Carter a tech youtuber that enjoys real raw cars instead of owning a tesla haha you're the best man
Lmao
Damn flossy fancy seeing you here my man
Btw loved both of your m5s, been a fan of your channel since you had that e60 m5
Change absolutely everything about the car to get the real experience! Cool!
Pour a little liquor on the curb for the people who finance one of these and neglect to keep a suitcase full of cash ready for the repairs.
Nah, fuck em.
Warranty Dude that’s it
Have you ever one one
Pour a lot of liquor for the guy buying one secondhand
Lol broke bums who can only buy alcohol... bet you hate us when you see us drive by
Your knowledge and film work truly sets you apart from all other car youtubers. Love your work! Greetings from Australia.
He is also a gay icon for a generation
MRCN119T....You are clearly an idiot. Have a great day
@@mikewazowski7613 hater!
I didn’t know he was gay, seriously
Agreed, very knowledgeable
The fact you have no youtube ads to interrupt this beautiful video has NOT gone unnoticed! Thank you sir
Too late!
I get plenty of ads in this video using TH-cam iOS app
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That music intro :D
Thought i was watching an episode of Miami Vice for a second.
Mahone seriously. loved it!
Hell I thought it was kickboxer.
Howling - Lupus Nocte
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@@SmartDrug I love you SmartDrug
@@SmartDrug my man
Had my ‘14 plate LCI in the UK for 18 months and 25k miles (now at 55k). Zero oil consumption, ever. Has an increased battery capacity from factory so can leave for weeks with no issue. Has a different sound symposer so don’t get that fake noise none sense. Had a new transmission within 5k miles under warranty replaced with a different part code, no further issues. Had a comfort access door handle replaced, and that’s it. No check engine lights, no squeaks or rattles. Changed tyres to Michelin PS4S for radical improvement in the wet. Can do big miles, cross continents and see over 25mpg no problem day to day. Enjoy it for itself in the beautiful Welsh valleys when I can. It’s not all doom and gloom you know.
A Camaro ZL1 would eat this thing alive in every performance metric, be infinitely more reliable, and costs about $40k less (new) - oh but I know, it doesn't have the "badge" all the "I'm richer than you" little asshat M boys want. I loathe most BMW owners, 90% fit the sterotype perfectly
@@fzr1000981 It's also not a sedan. You're comparing apples to oranges.
@@jameswogan5820 So an extra 2 doors is the key metric? Not really - all these cars weigh about the same
Mark Strong if someone likes a specific car leave them be. It’s their money.
that intro montage is painfully accurate with M owners
Many are in denial though.
Oh yeah the classic Instagram hypebeast
TeamJoMo nah, most hypebeasts have 350z’s or 240’s
iliovecaRS false, they all have 325i’s or base model C300s
CobaltKitten007 nope mostly shitty Jim cars lol
I have an F10 M5 and never had any of the problems mentioned in this video. I previously had an E60 M5 and that had many problems.
My dads on his third one of these now with no problems.
@@adominable1 he'll be one his fourth one of these with no problems soon. ;)
Hortinus you may be right. They’ve all been low miles and we only drive them under 1500 miles.
i also have an f10 m5 and alot of those problems happen on the PRE LCI model. I burn a little bit of oil but not much just coils and spark plugs other than that i love this car.i have 112k miles on it and running strong.
Steve FOX Hi Steve, what does LCI mean? I am currently in the market for an F10 m5 and trying to gather as much info ahead of time. Would love to chat with you about your ownership experience
My 2014 F10 M5 beside some minor issues such as leaky inter cool .. line and AC needed to be recharged at 40k miles so far has been having zero problem with any drivetrain components. Steering wheel noise over bumps is another annoying issue at random. Other than that a very fun, exciting, confident car to cruise especially for long distance trips. Took mime across Dead Valley California and Las Vegas in the summer heat with no issues. Never lost a challenge with street idiots when they parked next to an M5. Still loving it a lot.
That intro comes with it's own cocaine, and mirror. For that authentic 80s feel.
Bruh! Underrated comment😂😂
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I love that genuine reaction at 13:40. You guys are having fun and not taking this too seriously. That's why I love this channel
For anyone wondering, the intro song is Lupus Nocte - Howling
Thank you
Just incase anyone out there was thinking "maybe the 4 cylinder 2.0 Turbo is more reliable" I can confirm that it has plenty of weaknesses. At 70,000 miles I just replaced, timing chain, timing chain guides, and oil pump. Not to mention steering column bearing, and a couple front suspension components. BMW made good NA strait 6 cylinder engines, everything they make that has turbos is TOTALLY UNRELIABLE.
Antoine Pageau Just did the chains too at 65k under warranty. BMW recommended I changed oil pump too, while they were in there. It was $600. Did yours fail and did it fall under warranty?
Remember the e46 had engine problems too. nothing they make is reliable.
The instant they introduced variable valve timing, reliability flew out the window.
But nearly every (sub-7-series)car before that was actually reasonable in terms of maintenance.
japanwatchconnection Yes the N20 has timing chain and oil pump issue. My chain failed, pump didn’t, but they suggested I replace it at my own cost.
Wiseguy724 not so much. My 328 has 216,000 miles doesn’t burn or leak a drop of oil
Had my 2014 LCI M5 for 4yrs and done 30,000 miles in it. The only problem I have had is the air conditioning condenser replaced when I first got it, (a known 5 series issue).
The car has not had any of the issues you raise. It represents amazing value second hand and plays the role of luxurious daily driver and ridiculous hyper saloon. I never worry about it not starting or an engine light coming on, because nothing ever goes wrong with it. It'll even do 30mpg on the motorway, and the high speed acceleration is insane. Equivalent AMG mercedes and Audi's are quite a lot more expensive and don't really offer anything extra for the money (you could argue the sound bit and traction in the case of the Audi).
I love this car. If you have the money for repairs you will have some serious serious seriously damn fun in it.
Bought used - Road trip Seattle to Boston no issues- Boston to Seattle no issues- added oil 4x it runs fine. Going through Midwest averaging speed -fast all the time. Love this car for now!
When people buy a BMW their perspective regarding reliability changes. Instead of thinking “200k miles with no serious problems” is reliable you think “2000 miles with no problems” is reliable. It happened to me, then I bought a Nissan and I’ve realize how catastrophically unreliable and expensive the BMW was. However, it did drive great. Also I don’t think other Germans are less expensive and reliable, I know for damn sure Audi is not.
rattles and squeaks been on the standard equipment list since the E39. I had silicon spray and lube ready in the door pocket...for the car...
Yeh for the car, and for the glovebox full of wee boys...
Silicon spray is your squeak.
Sure, and your Mustang has no rattles right ??? Laughable haters !
I've had a 2013 M5 for 3 years now and fortunately, I have not had any significant problems. I also use JB4 and boost 4lbs over stock for around 600hp. It does eat a quart of oil about every 1,000 miles. I've replaced maybe 10 coil packs and 5 spark plugs outside or a change of all of them. At 100,000 I replaced the air conditioner pump. I've replaced 3 of the rubber short hoses for the liquid inner-cooler. The coil packs are about $24. My 335 and my x3 also go through coil packs, not really a big deal. I have 110,000 miles on it now and I've been pretty impressed.
I have not had super-car problems, knock on wood. Any car aside from a Toyota or Honda would likely need as much.
My x3 has 130,000 and runs like a champ. I like BMWs, I wouldn't call them reliable, but they;ve had the 4.4 for years now.
So many owner reviews seem so much more positive than this. I think this particular one is a real lemon that had a haaard life. LCI f10s are reportedly very reliable and much sharper to drive.
No it's because no other reviewers mention actual reliability, this car didn't break on them, it's that the f10s are known to be problematic
Having owned both a 2013 M5 and a 2014 M5 with competition package and carbon ceramic brakes they are almost completely different vehicles. I owned the 2013 for about a year I upgrade the roll bars to the competition ones and it helped a little but the steering sucked. They made it so much better in the 2014 M5 with competition and carbon ceramic brakes. I have owned the 2014 for almost 2 years now and can say its like a different vehicle. I have had only 2 issues first the rear axle broke that wasn't fun but AAA helped out and even though I was in the middle of nowhere I was only stranded for a little over an hour. The second issue was the AC condenser had a leak so my AC didn't work. Both issues were paid mostly by the aftermarket warranty which you would be stupid not to get one no matter the cost. In both of the M5's I owned I have never had a check engine light and as for oil consumption the first one used a quart every 2k-2.5k miles and the second one maybe every 4k miles. Never had a battery issue never had a check engine light and I drive the things like I stole them. Hence the broken axle. The F10 M5 is far from perfect, but you aren't really doing it justice by not testing the best version of it which is the competition package with carbon ceramic brakes.
man, your content is gold, i like the way you uplift the car and talking about the underneath, you can actually see how good the car built. keep on !
Jesus. That intro. It’s genius!
The oil consumption, failing chains, leaky gaskets and hoses was resulted in the vehicle's running very high thermal parameters, we're talking at normal operating temperature 110*C (230*F) for water, around 120-130*C (248-266*F) of oil temperature and the coolant system pressure runs at 2.0 Bar (29 psi) to compensate the higher coolant temperature. (A normal engine is about 90*C (194*F) for water, 100*C (212*f)oil and 1-1.4 bar (14-20 PSI) for coolant pressure) If you were to run this parameters into a normal engine you'll start having problems soon let alone I can't imagine what are the thermals when you take it on a full day of track it be close to meltdown . I think this engine can be more reliable if we lowered its thermal and coolant pressure operation by installing cooler opening thermostat, oil thermostat bypass and a lower pressure coolant cap.
this is true for pretty much all german engine design. the hotter they run the more thermal efficient they believe it is. problem is most people dont drive their car under lab condition, in real life they use just as much gas as regular engine designs. that why good old cast iron engine last over time, plastic parts are usually only tested for 1000 heat cycles. hence why newer engine break so much sooner than older ones with more solid metal parts
Part of the reason the run hotter is for emissions reasons
@@Dunkaroos248Yeah BMW took emissions way more serious and honest than VW. Their older diesels are still polluting, but rarely a black cloud of smoke like in VW TDI.
My 2012 M5 has the same oil consumption issues. I add about 1 liter every 1.5 to 2.5 months. But so long as I keep feeding it, it seems to be happy. I think a third party warranty is a must for peace of mind.
Bought one 13 months ago, still got it and no oil or battery issues. Love it to bits.
Gary Osborne give a year
Any updates?
@@j-g9463 In the end I sold it after 22 months and had no oil or battery issues. Only one issue which was to the iDrive display (lines on screen), replaced under warranty and the screen is common to other 5 series so not a M5 fault. Only reason to sell the car was to buy a 4 year old Cayman 718.
Would you still recommend buying it in this day and age?
@@ALLw3rk Loved the car but not as much as the Cayman 🙂 Sayingt that, if I needed more than 2 seats then yes, I would buy one again.
Iv been driving around mine for last two years, 0 issue. Had a recall done on coolant line otherwise no issues at all f10 m5 is way more reliable than e60 m5 i think.
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How many miles
What year? Thinking about one
Its 2013
@@Hgill209 How many kilometers does your m5 have im curious to know bro cheers!?
Me: Hey EVERYBODY! I bought a new BMW!
Dealership: We got him.
*Driving off the lot*
Service Mechanic waving: See you soon!
Sure, but still it's gonna be some fun drive. BMW is like expensive girlfriend, but she might cost you money but in the bed she's spectacular.
@@stevem2323 you bang cars? Discusting lol
Bravo six going dark
"Get your warranty ready" needs to be the slogan for German cars
No shit
JDM and domestic all the way.
Not really
Doesn’t apply for 80s and early 90s German cars.
@@whatevernevermind5960 even in the 2000s they kicked out plenty of bullet prrof mercedes putting out tons of power with almost no issues
My 2012 M5 F10 with 100 k with standard transmission for me the best car on the market, great driving experience and amazing fuel economy makes me keep this car forever!
I think the main problem people have with m cars and the m5 in particular is that they don't realize this is a super car that looks like a sedan. So, by nature it's going to be unreliable and expensive to maintain.
There are quite a few cars with supercar performance that don't require that level of maintenance. There is a reason why these cars implode in value on the aftermarket. If it was normal the depreciation would be more consistent with the market but it's not.
It makes sense what You say.
Marlon Bailey
That’s False, Supercars are usually less driven. Mclarens, Ferrari’s or anything 550+HP V8 with turbos are going to give you problems.. Porsche’s are the exception because they use N/A and are reliable Because of that. M5 is really a Supercar with a sedan body, the rich wouldn’t have a problem with the car.
Can I just say that the intro, and especially the music, was FANTASTIC. Nobody else can do a car review this well.
This is one of the BEST, most handsome-looking BMWs that has come out as of late. I really really like it. It's too bad it's a heavy, sedate car.
My 2013 M5 has 100k miles and has been a dream to own. No oil consumption or battery issues. I think most owners of the F10 M5 neglect to do the necessary maintenance. Regular oil change are just the beginning. I've changed oil, filters, plugs, coils, transmission oil and filter, and differential oil on mine. With a JB4 piggyback tuner, mine is putting down almost 650 hp to the wheels. It's truly a car with a split personality.
I’m currently looking at 2014 m5 with 111k miles and I’m iffy about it
Idk what to expect with that car and that mileage
@@Albino1776 It really depends on the service history. If the previous owner(s) took care of it, then there's nothing to worry about.
@@Albino1776 same boat lol, how much you find one of these , i found 2014 for around 30k+ 160k miles tho, but im leaning towards the 2013 , theres a lot of used cars to choose from in 2013 model.
@@Phantom-ez4zv wayyyy overpriced bro, please tell me you didnt buy it. 160k miles on a pre lci m5?? 20k would be a better number lol
Just dropping a comment to let you know I really hope you review the 2020 Corvette when you get the chance, Savagegeese. Your detailed review on a newly designed car is needed. Thanks for all your work man!
BMW Fanatic here 👋🏻
Have been currently searching for an F10 M5 - S63TU though and looking forward to owning one! Great video as always :)
Just got done Detailing a 2019 M5 Competition with the Brown leather interior 😍🔥
So....you washed it? Then took the bus home?
@@dd.4910 No I detailed it and then Detailed my Lexus 🤙🏽
you made my day with this video. a car maker doesn't make crappy cars until a reviewer is afraid of driving it because it breaks easily.
The best, most informative and intelligent review I've seen on the M5.
Even though it is pretty skeptical, still I feel like I want the car! :)
Dude, I know everyone simps on the E39, and rightly so, but I've owned E34 and E39. E34 never left me stranded but the seats bent and leaned out of shape. My E39 did leave me stranded because it was known to have CPS failures and send the car into limp mode in the middle of a road trip on the highway at 80 mph. None of these cars come without their gremlins, that's why you can buy a $114,000 car for $37, 000 a few years later.
I've owned BMW 1 series M few years ago, one should seriously know what he's going into with these
My dream car
have we stepped back into 80's ? Whats happened
13:37 that's why I f**king love cars
Me too!!!
I have an 2015 535 F10. No issues. Mind u its the inline 6. No oil burn, no battery issues, no rattles. Very solid and while not an M, FAST!
IMO, the old school BMW double "O" ring headlights in the front has the best looking front in the F10 M5
What? No. Half hex is way better. That's the one mine has with the LCI years
Yea, they looked the best on the E60
Best car show on TH-cam. No question about it. The quality is way better than what the subscriber numbers show.
I've always felt BMWs develop significant BSRs earlier on than I'd like, given the quality of their materials and cost, but that's also (perceptually) a side-effect of a quiet cabin.
Bsr??
@@harveymorgan1749 buzz/squeaks/rattles- an industry term for noise created by the interaction f parts contacting one another or even inherent within the part. My experience is that BMW has premature bsr issues in the hvac vents and along the ip, A-pillar and ip cover.At least for the price/quality
@@Dreihme oh ok, thanks for info.
owned this car for 2 years now and only recently realized what an improvement the sport+ suspension setting makes in handling feel
did u have alot of problems with the f10?
Scotty Kilmer
warned us against BMW's. Maybe he is right Lease only!
And you need warned about Scotty Kilmer. He is rude to his viewers, he never replies to his viewers unless he can knock them down. In some cases he gives bad advice. You have now been warned.
Possibly one of the best intros to a car video. The sheer amount of guidoism that oozes from the intro is amazing hahaha
Yet you haven't done an E39, which is without question the best M5
I personally prefer the E28, just because it's that much lighter and the engine sounds so much more mechanical.
But there's not doubt the E39 is a terrific masterpiece
I still prefer the E60.
@@person.w9780 oh yeah, that hi-reving NA v10. My favorite M5 (when it's running smooth)
@John Villeneuve The E34 has not been forgotten. People always rant and rave about it whenever the topic of the M5 is brought up. If anything, that and the current M5 are the only ones that are talked about.
@@masterdriveroftoyotazupr4164 The V10 is exactly why I like the E60 so much. It's such a unique car with an exhaust note you'd only hear from a supercar.
I think you guys were unnecessarily harsh in this review. Drive an F10 M5 Competition. It is a sublime daily driver, with supercar performance and city-connecting grand touring capabilities. I have a 991 Porsche C4S and previously a 997.1 GT3RS and the M5 delivers a great driving experience. There are some faults for sure, but this M5 is one of my all time favorites.
I have a f10 M5 competition and it`s a brutal car. Not consuming a drip of oil. Over 300km/h best comfort at high speeds on autobahn You can`t get more car for the money
E70 X5 M is more car and cheaper. Also handles better than the M5. Only in a straight line will an F10 M5 win.
X5 is Only better to go to Markets like publix and walmart for excessive shopping
@@johnrichter2096 There's a reason nobody likes the F10. It has too much power for what it is. The X5 M can actually brake and corner due to its massive brakes, tires, and awd. If yoi don't believe me, look at any curcuit where they timed both. The X5 is always faster unless it's only straights.
I am only interested in cars that goes over 300 km/h
I had the 2016 LCI with low mileage. Best car I’ve ever had- zero issues. I heard horror stories about the early pre LCIs and you pretty much summed it up. In my opinion your review is biased towards the negative aspects. But it’s your review and I respect your analysis.
I bought a 2003 192.000 km Z4 one year ago here in Germany. When it´s not broken, it performs really nice. I had to be towed two times already and the tow guy laughed at me. My last BMTroubleyou, I swear. I don´t care for the new ones anyway. Toyota Supra owners be prepared for all kinds of trouble with the engine and tech.
Had it for 4 years. No trouble at all besides i killed the clutch because it was tuned to 1100nm. Best car ever for me
F10s look gorgeous
I'm trying to see it, but I just can't.
I always hated cars and never cared for them (im a motorcycle guy, sport, super sport, naked, dual sport, adventure, dirt)but i can say without a shadow of a doubt that your channel is absolutely perfect, kinda like how Fortnine is with motorcycle info
Just a heads up for anyone watching this video. BMW Fixed A LOT of the problems with the N63 and S63 in a 2013 update.
My 08 E60 M5 has 136.5k, original RBs, repacked throttle bodies at 95K as well as leaking oil cooler. Other than that, the car has been incredibly solid. I drive it pretty hard, M mode often. The best thing, it sounds amazing, V10.
F10 never turned me on, it’s muffled, a typical 528/535 feeling with better seats.
F90, looks better and sounds better. Let’s see if it lives up to the hype.
Jack's voice is so pleasant, I wish he would serenade me to sleep each night. Keep up the great work!
I had a comp spec 2015 M5 with DCT. No issues with car for me. Besides regular service for oils, tires and brakes, no other trip. No oil burn issue either. It was a very reliable car for me. I tracked my car (didn't enjoy it much given the weight) but never abused my car excessively. He complains about steering - rightfully so. Non Comp package steering was crap but with the comp package it was day and night difference. I can't agree with him on reliability for reasons above. These things do drop like a rock. My sticker was ~$120k and 3.5 years later it was into the 60's. I don't have the car anymore and now when I look at it, I think of it as "Good car but I didn't love it". Good memories though...
I heard that the burning oil issue was because people did not break in the car properly from new.
15:57 - I’ve put 85K miles on mine since new, not a single issue. regular maintenance and don’t abuse it …….
Thanks Mark! Love these 5-20 year old used car reviews
That straight across panel gap line on the front of the hood drives me nuts
Great intro! I thought I was about to see a montage in Top Gun!
I've got an M6 with the same S63TU motor at 55K miles with Dinan stage 2 setup. It's been fantastic. Turbo coolant tubes did leak once but nothing else. It beats motorcycles all the time. GXR1000 and Harley owners HATE on it haha.
BTW, I use Royal Purple HPS with a bit of Prolong and Liqimoly hydraulic lifter additive. I NEVER get a check engine light or battery drain.
I drove 3, because I worked as a valet when it came out. I didn't discover the M button until the third one I drove. And let me tell you guys, it sings! The sound is so unique!
Why can’t we see a test of that blue Vette at the end?
Thank you for showing the arrows when describing the controll armes around 5:50 . I really appreciate it. Please keep it standard with the reviews
When buying any car, the totality of the experience should be what drives the decision. Having performance isn't enough to make up for how unreliable this is. Warranty or not, I can't believe that people don't punish lazy manufacturers for inferior products by NOT buying their product.Why would BMW invest in making something reliable if they regularly sell their pile of shit?
Pain Killer
Exactly.
The fiat debt based money system is the true base of this negative dynamic over time.
come to think of it, BMW is one of the companies right now that has a negative interest rate on many of it's bonds.
@@nycbit7386 nothing worse than a willing debt slave.
112k on my m5 zero issues LCI models dont have these problems
@@RUBENZSLOW what the heck is LCI model, help before i make a dumb decision
just traded in my 16 m3 for a 16 m5 ultimate edition. m5 is a clear winner. Far as repairs, no idea since I only had it for 3 days. Had m3 for 6 months, it was quick with no issues.
I had oil consumption problems after I got my F10. Liqui Molly has a product for reducing oil consumption that has dramatically reduced the issue for me.
What is it called?
Y'all. I get that some of you don't have time for it, but from the bottom of my heart, if you genuinely don't have time to maintain a car of this nature.... DO. NOT. OWN ONE!!!!
Learn to work on shit yourselves, stop relying on BMW, indie shops, etc to do the work for you and in the process, charging you as much as they feasibly can.
Learning basic maintenance, preventative maintenance, common problems and their solutions not only gives you guaranteed peace of mind that if something does break, you know how to fix it, but it will 100% of the time guarantee you less strain on the pockets, especially in the long run.
The goal is to have fun and enjoy a passion, you don't buy an M5 if you don't want either of those.
sick introduction tune! i loved that!
about the "feeling more disconnected from the outside world." who want's that in an ///M car? i wanted just a luxurious high powered cruiser, i'd have an 540i. ///M cars should put more emphasis on driving and connecting with the road. at least that's my opinion.
Nikola Dietmar Krapp definitely
Well analyzed..we dumped our bmws for lack of reliability, phoney feel...and needing be driven too fast to leave anything on the table.
At least that V10 Bangle Butt version was sexy and aggressive. This thing is just a fat pig that can go fast. Ugly and complex lease special that will lose 80% of its value in 5 years.
I have owned many BMW, now have a f13 m6 for 3 years, never had a single issue with it. Now pushing over 700hp & 700 trq for over a year and it s running strong no issues.... the problem with these cars is that people buy them but don't do the recommended maintenance on them, or just beat the shit out of them 24/7 and then are surprised when they break.
This was like my dream car when I was a freshman in Highschool followed by the 2013 M6. Now look at it, old depreciated nobody cares about it
Sad to see. M6 is too beautiful tho :/
My 2015 M5 F10 Competition has none of these problems and I'm on 73.000 KM, i think this owner got a lemon and US/Canada M cars are much more lower quality because i haven't heard here in Germany the problems you are saying and I'm in a pretty big BMW club (maybe 2012 models?). Its been a very reliable car for me, this is not a car for the back roads, this is the Undisputed King of the Highways this car makes part of that 1% cars that can actually go 310KM/h really stupid fast while weighting 2 tons+ very comfortable.
When you buy a any M you should know what you are getting into, you are not buying a toyota that needs maintenance every now and then this is a Luxury Sedan that happens to have a performance engine and a performance gear box.
"Rev up your warranties everyone!"
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I'm a 2-time owner of the F10 M5. first a 2013 F10 M5 that i leased new and currently a pre-owned mid-cycle refreshed 2014 model. i'll say that the 2013 model did burn oil rapidly from day one and i had to frequently purchase extra quarts at autozone and refill. at 25K miles the turbos on the car crapped out & luckily my warranty covered the $20K bill it cost to replace them. i returned the 2013 M5 at the end of it's lease then bought a used CPO 2015 750i. but i found the 750i to be too big and lumbering so in november 2018 i traded it in for a used CPO 2014 F10 M5 with 41K miles on it. given my experience with the 2013 model, i chose to add the $5K warranty for peace of mind. i've only put about 3K miles on the 2014 model as it's not a daily driver. but i have driven this car much harder than the 2013 i had, taking it into the canyons in southern california and on spirited freeway runs late at night. i've also added a bootmode ECU flash, full meisterschaft exhaust system including the catless downpipes. the car does have more squeaks now as a result of the heavy vibrating from the exhaust. however, i haven't once had an oil light come on or experience any issues at all. so far so good.
Get 2015+ F10 M5, most problems are the pre LCI version
The S63B44T0 is a much-improved engine over the N63 (Google N63 CCP) and the post LCI F10 M5's are the only ones I would consider. The S63B44T0 is relatively similar to the S63B44T4 in production now in the F90 M5, as is also the basis of the BMW P63 motor used in BMW M8 GTE racing. How the vehicle has been maintained initially will go a long way into determining how well the vehicle/motor will run/last the rest of its life; get a low mileage example that has had its oil changed regularly, (using good oil,) and you won't consume any oil.
Not many people know you do your own music , I love the attention to detail and how hard you work. I don’t have the money to support financially right now but I really really love this channel and the happy music at the beginning lol. Very catchy.
Best review I’ve ever read or seen about a german “untouchable” M, AMG or RS. Thanks for your brutal honesty.
nic louw went from an rs7 to an m5 and both vehicles were very reliable. Just have to take care of them and not abuse them. But I would not recommend them to anyone who doesn’t work on them normally as I do. But both incredible vehicles.
The old saying remains true, "never own a BMW that's not under warranty."
Yeah no kidding... Replacing the entire suspension system every couple miles was fucking annoying...
Fuck these cars
Tell that to my 180K miles E39.
@@javarithms that's because the E39 is one the best BMWs ever made :)
@@ksmuffin I'm 73.000 km with my 2015 m5 f10 competition, none of the problems described by this dude and i know quite few of the other people owning this machine with no problems.
S2kDude36 Try getting a used audi or ford, 10x worse hands down.
I've owned two E60 M5s. I got them both for very cheap. One touring (E61), and one berline. I drove both like i stole them all the time. I'm not talking about breaking the speed limit all the time, i'm talking about driving them like a complete ass. Sideways whenever i could, big smokey burnout launches, launch control regularly, etc etc. I loved the motor, i hated the fact that they put it in a big body like that. Although, that being said, pulling up to ikea in the touring and filling it up kind of has it's upsides lol.
Here's the thing. I never had any problems with them. Previous owners had lots of problems, but i didn't. The berline had issues with the throttle bodies, exhaust system, transmission (SMG pump), etc etc. The touring had previously had a huge list of things that had to get fixed due to the previous owner filling it up with diesel (lol).
I stuffed one, the other got stolen. I loved these cars, but hated the transmission. However, one thing would prevent me from ever buying one again ... the fuel consumption is unreal. Like ridiculous.
The F10 M5? I got to drive one, and ... it was everything i hated about the E60, namely a big body, lots of weight, etc etc minues the one thing i absolutely loved about the E60, namely the motor.
Oh, and the SMG ... it was terrible 90% of the time, but when you were on it, it was magic.
detaart
"I stuffed one, the other one got stolen"
You know how to get out of losing $20k+ in repairs. I bet your insurance is through the roof.
@@Pube83 The one i stuffed was stuffed pretty thoroughly. I caught a ledge right between where the bumper ends and the sump starts. I could see the crank shaft. It was well and truly stuffed. Total loss. A motor for one of these is very expensive. The market value didn't warrant replacing it.
The one that got stolen ... well ... let's just say i never got paid. Long legal battle with the insurance co. Always read the fine print. It wasn't parked in my garage.
It was found later on ... well some of it ... lepie.kinja.com/so-they-found-my-car-1450616289
Oh well ... life goes on.
As for the insurance premium. Nope. Both times, it was registered to a company.
F10 M5 came out in 2013 MY so not sure how you got a 2012?
The issues that you list are very minimal - overall the S63 motor is much more reliable than the N63 which is a POS.
Also you fail to talk about the Competition Package which debuted at LCI and provided more power, better handling etc.
I like your reviews but the focus on reliability is a bit much and usually blown out of proportion.
RNM AutomotiveAddiction F10 came out in 2012
There is no such thing as 2012 M5. The first model year for F10 M5 was 2013 but yes it came out in 2012!
Just like the new Supra is 2020MY but came out in 2019.
My 2013 m5 has original battery non of the issues he mentioned check engine light every week ? He must have some cheap ass tune on that car I beat the shit out of my car everytime I drive it I yet to see check engine light
Agree
Hgill209 yep I have a 2014 M6 with the same engine and I’ve had no issues. I do have extended warranty but I would get that with any car to be honest.
this is the most refined car channel I've come across on youtube thus far, really enjoyed it!
This is the best technical review I've ever seen.
It`s mostly about "taking good care means regular professional service/ maintenance" and these cars are very reliable
I've been checking used prices for these and seriously thinking about pulling the trigger. But in order to do it I would have to give up my E60 550I M Sport 6 sp manual that has been very reliable with almost 100k miles. Decisions , decisions. Love your reviews. Keep them coming.
Not all my miles, but mine has done 119k Miles without any huge problems.
It's a great 'one car' fits family, does 250 mile boring motorway meeting days chatting on hands free, and is still fun on a B-Road.
Not amazing or the best at anything but better than most cars at most things.
Thank you for your review. keep up the good work!
I am not a BMW fan but will watch any video of any car done by Mark the Savage Gooseman! What I liked about the car is the rear wheel drive and the capability of turning off all safety controls. Cant wait for the podcast.
I appreciate this review as i was actively looking into the f10 M5. I’d love to see your honest opinion on the F80 M3’s.
Seems like they are more reliable than the E90 and the F10 which are both on my list.