I knew what it was like to be bullied from 1st grade thru 4th. I was really short for my age and I got good grades. The problem was my teacher talking about it in front of the class. Don't make a child as a good or bad example. My PTSD comes from being bullied.
@@daphnekivinen9482 Good thing I have my dads temper and will fight back or get back. Us Hispanics back in the 70's were not that bad compared to you guys. We lived in between white and black and I will say the blacks were worse at starting trouble. But nothing on how Africans in Africa did each other and still do today. Or how whites did what they did to Natives, better to die fighting evil than living as a pushover.
@@patti5007I’m a believer but I have to disagree with that.. you can forgive them but not necessarily repair the relationship.. My step dad was insanely abusive to me, my sister, and my mom.. one of the main things that traumatized me is watching him hold a pistol to my moms head and screaming at her and saying he was gonna end her. I was 6 when that happened, my sister was 5. I’ve forgiven him and I still see/hear about him every once in a while because he’s the father of one of my sisters but I’ll never have a relationship with him again.. he’s an evil person.
Like I can't with my eldest sister, who hated me from early on, and did very much to make me feel miserable. Beat and kicked the shit out of me, infront of our three year old toddler, last week. After not seeing each other for six years...thankfully, our child wasn't harmed, or traumatized. I will never forgive her for that!
@@Simone-Bucn Not wanting to be negative just factual, it's worse than that. They DO see and don't care. What happened at the Paris Olympics in boxing today is proof of that as a female contender stopped her match for fear of death. Horrendous example on the global stage that many sick individuals would have appreciated.
A little bit. I hadn't heard about the time when Elon was severely beat up, but I had a feeling that he had at least one older larger bully beat him up at some point while growing up.
? I never understand how people cannot read people without being shown. Just listening to Elon and you know he is a force of nature for goodness. I think he is a decent human.
@@sikugord03 He's changed his politics drastically recently, which should lead many to wonder about his underlying motivations. He's doing some horrible animal testing, and he's got inside connections into the government where he purchased much of his technology (I know how this goes as I dated a man many years ago who was part of a team who competed in a gov't auction to purchase sat radio tech from the gov't.)
Healing from CPTSD from a parental relationship is not an easy feat, but a very necessary thing so you don't carry that generational trauma to the next generation. Kudos to them both for choosing themselves and supporting each other so they didn't have to go back.
Thankfully more and more people are becoming aware of CPTSD and generational trauma too. As knowing it exists helps that healing process to be able to start.
Trauma is everywhere. This is earth. Demons abound. When laws won't allow murder they use what they doing to Trump. Meaning hate is d evil. Bullying, racism...all is hate.
@@cynthiagonzalez658 You probably still have it. We all do. We are victims of our heredity, ancestry, and conditioning. But we are finding different ways of healing those wounds.
@@Simone-Bucnsome people choose to be cruel. It is very sad the damage people do to one another. But the Lord can heal the broken hearted, and He will not reject any who come to Him. I speak from experience. I have hurt others and have been hurt, but the Lord forgave me, healed my heart, and changed me. I am nobody in this life. If He will do it for me, He will do it for all who cry out to Him.
While you're at it, pray for Elon's children. Do a little research and you'll find out he's no Gem of a father, just a smaller chip from the same stone.
I just did the exact oppsite of my parents for my family. And i physically protected my siblings, i made a decision to jump inbetween my abuser and them. I will never regret that.
Why would you regret it, hypothetically, I mean...like...what situation would have to arrive where you'd be all: "Son of a gun, I sh9ulda let ya get it all those times..." Whatever that situation is, I hope it never occurs!!!
@budawang77 I'm American. Are you talking about Patriotism? Or entitlement? I think Patriotism is lacking, as we don't do a good job of educating our people about what we do, why do it, Democracy, etc. I see a lot of entitlement, where most Americans live in a cozy bubble where they have no clue what it's like of citizens around the world. They think their rights are always trampled on, which has some truth, but is a joke compared to most countries and some will visit a nice part of Europe for a week or two and think that the USA should become a Socialist country. Most are completely ignorant about global relations, whether it be trade or security & know little to nothing about other countries, where I feel like other countries know quite a bit about us because we tend to set the tone for the rest of the world, so what we do effects everyone else.
@budawang77 to clarify, as an American I think my country is "the best" and am very glad I was born here. I expect many foreigners think THEIR country is "the best" and I think that is very healthy! However, as a human being, I do not think I am better than another human being for simply being American. Hope that makes sense.
@@toeachitsown2050 Yes, all this is more or less true. I'm Australian and the same can be said about us to a lesser degree. Our population is only 26 million but we occupy an entire continent and we can be entitled and live inside our own cozy bubble. However, unlike the USA, we can't pretend to be the centre of the universe and a large majority of Australians have travelled outside their country, often to Asia. The US is such a big and influential country that the average Australian knows a lot more about you than you know about us. We're following your election closely and feel like we have a big stake in it.
@@toeachitsown2050 The word "best" is subjective. Perhaps it's the best for you because of your specific criteria or simply because you aren't familiar with anything else. I'm Australian but currently residing in the tiny Pacific nation of Vanuatu which, by the usual measures, would be considered far from "the best". However, its people are some of the happiest in the world and live in a beautiful environment. They have a strong sense of belonging and their mental health is generally a lot better than in "advanced" countries. If your sole criteria are mental health and human happiness, then I'd wager Vanuatu is "better" than either Australia or the US.
Healing from CPTSD from a parental relationship is incredibly hard, especially when your siblings, who were used as pawns alongside the parent, go in the other direction. I had to sever all ties with the parent and the siblings who refuse to acknowledge and move on. I am so glad the two brothers have and support each other.
I believe some children of abuse understand how evil the abuse that happened to them was. They vow never to become like that themselves. Sometimes those children grow to be adults of peace.
@@nejuw what have you done useful for others? Is there anything someone uses that you have built that is comparable (at least in potential) with what Musk has done? If not, I hope you never have any power over others, because you would be a monster due to a skewed hierarchy of moral values. Imagination does not constitute proof.
You don't understand the difference between Musk acquiring companies because of his fathers wealth, wealth from stolen land and the theft of its resources and the people that actually have the brains that develop the technology. He's bought and paid for by Saudi Arabia and off his head on psychedelics. @@IsacriToth
Yes, and worse when people who you are supposed to trust assault innocent people because they are not white or assume they have to be a perpetrator based on what they look like! Cops are supposed to serve and protect!
I'm American and I have seen extreme violence since I was a child. Now, at 57, I reflect on the trauma I work on unloading every day. My earliest memory is from 3 years old and city living in America is a war zone, especially when you're poor. Look around, nothing has changed, things have only gotten worse. 💔🇺🇸
No wonder Elon is strong and able to stand up against the crowd. He’s already been through and see the worst of it. What can they scare him with now. I don’t agree with Elon on everything but you can’t help but admire and respect him-and his brother! Very enlightening.
@@georgejetson3702 I'm not on the EV bus but Tesla is a remarkable company. Do some research on their residential solar and battery tech. SpaceX is blowing the doors of Boeing with less than half the money. If you can't respect his accomplishments it's because you're blinded by the media persecution of him. That and jealousy. Projection.
Totally realistic. I also grew up in South Africa in the 80's. My gentle, kind, considerate father (head of education at a teachers training college) who was a white anti apartheids activist was beaten to a pulp by our neigbourhood men who formed a gang. Reason for this brutal attack: he advocated for the rights of a black choir that wanted to perform in our town hall. I watched this happen in front of my eyes. I was a six year old....I still have flashbacks to this day ( as a 54 year old woman) and it is TRAUMATIC!!
I'm so devastated you and your family experienced that. Especially when you were so tiny 😔 I hope things are better for you now, but thank you for sharing just how scary and chaotic it can be in other places. We are very blessed in America, and we don't often stop to feel gratitude or even know enough to know how blessed we are. Thank you ❤ what an exceptional man your dad must be.
@@saturdaysworrioryou know that kinda stuff happened in America and there are tons of people who are still alive to tell yhe stories of what the witnessed.
A reason I love this family is because they never paraphrase anyone but are deep thinkers and use their own original thoughts to form phrases. Very intelligent individuals ❤
You can never be sure that someone does not paraphrase someone else. It is impossible to be so certain. For education, look up how dissertations, thesis papers, research articles are checked for possible plagiarism. That is hard work, and it relies on the available base of comparison. In a person’s conversation, there is usually no possibility to check whether the speaker paraphrases someone else (save for the famous quotes of famous people).
@@mogznwaz No, they occur together often, obviously. What I am saying is that when the bruises etc. heal, the depression, anxiety, and emotional pain remains a lot longer.
I grew up in a really dangerous city and, my parents abused me regularly physically and mentally. Unlike Elon I never made it. Whatever it takes to make it in this world has been removed from me. Elon makes me so proud.
Stay strong, only you can ultimately take this from yourself! Others can push you to the limit, only you can give up on yourself. Find a way to love yourself and then you will find your will to keep pushing forward and eventually undoubtedly progress forward meaningfully. I believe in you!
I am so sorry that you had to experience such childhood trauma. Just the fact that you are here and able to make this comment says a lot about your resilience.
SAD? HaHa... They (like my sons!) had wonderful time growing up in SA! That was fantastic time before 'cellphones' and computers and crap! ... and if you're too big for your shoes, you DO get put back in place by your peers! ..... which is a fist-fight! They also played rugby like that!.. HARD !
@@pf1830 NO, they did NOT have a "wonderful" time. Did you even watch the video? Kimball spoke about HIS and ELON'S experience and it was SAD. They're NOT your sons.
las vegas mandalay bay violence with thousands injured by one man. A true American with a motivation. no one in south Africa is capable of that level of violence with by one man
It's easy to explain. Anywhere you go in the entire world where the population is almost entirely buhlack you'll see the same numbers. Don't be afraid to point out the truth because someone will slap a label on you. It's just a label.
Poor man, I can relate to him about the chaotic attachment. I had a similar childhood. My dad was not a physically violent man, but would torment us with hours and hours of verbal abuse.
with the result that you then had NO relationship with him as an adult. pretty much like my relationship with mine. As an adult I wd call my mom every day, never my Dad. and when i went to their house i usually only went when my mom was home, not my Dad. and if i encountered him, I only spoke to him when he spoke to me. He destroyed the relationship long before I go to b an adult.
My mom would do the same. I’m 42 and still have nightmares about that women. And I’m supposed to easily “forgive” her. Smh. She hasn’t contacted me in 8 years. She’s a selfish monster from hell
Absolutely!! Insanely violent and brutal place, which is precisely why apartheid was established in the first place, as an agreed upon barrier between warring tribes that had been slaughtering each other for millennia and other African tribal invaders.
Yes, still very dangerous but in slighty different ways. Having been back recently for the first time in 7 years, though, I had a real sense that change for the better is coming. The government is corrupt, and infrastructure is falling apart but there is a coming together of people as South-Africans apart from their tribes, colours or languages.
To me what is aweful? is not knowing if you tried or not helping your brother. I got jumped by 3 men and my younger brother, he was 15 at the time was by my side out of nowhere hitting ang getting hit. That's when i felt fear, really felt the fear. How am i going to face my parents if something happened to their younges child? That gave me the extra OOOmp and finished the fight with the heavy and thick ashstray over their heads and got my brother home to my parents house safe.
That's what I was thinking. How do you not remember. I ain't believing this guy's story. I think he's trying to make excuses for his brothers nutty ass ways.
it's not that he does not remember. It's where the trauma is... the 2 examples he gave is him watching people being killed one a stranger and the other his brother, and doing nothing... that's the thought he witnessed and froze and did nothing that is torturing him... and I know exactly the feeling because I remember being in similar situation... he has to forgive himself, there was nothing he could do, just be beaten up with his brother...
It sounds like he father had so much control over them, he can’t react to defend himself, it’s very complicated to explain. The reason I know is because my mom verbally abused me to the point of inaction, she said I was dumb therefore I let her guide my actions, it takes a long time to recover from overwhelming abuse. There is much today on the subject but I recognize he had a abusive narcissistic parent
I get what you're saying Joann. *I got quite a few memories where now I wish I'd taken some verbal offenders I came across On It Instead of letting it go and and keeping my head cool, and let them get away with it. Why? I was brought up to be respectful, be tolerant, and avoid trouble as much as possible. Although I was also encouraged to speak my mind
I’ve worked overseas with S. African police officers. The stories they told me were terrifying. If we don’t get our shit sorted out real quick, we’re going to be living it here.
WOW 😯 this is crazy.... The way he speaks, such as taking pauses between his words. His mannerisms, his facial movements, his expressions, it is exactly Elon.
It’s autism. Elon has mentioned being autistic, it’s genetic and generally affects multiple people in the family. The pauses in speech can be one of the traits.
@@woopweep9605 it also show maturity in reflective and selective words/responses. I don't think that's autism. They both show empathy and self reflection. both on a micro and macro level.
@@user-fl6ko9do5yin the case of someone like Obama, it shows they want to be careful with what they say and secret in hiding true thoughts. I don't trust politicians who are careful in what they say
Omg I feel so sorry for him I know about death and violence I’ve been thru the same stuff.@Kimbal Musk I’m so sorry I’m an older woman who’s been shot at for 10 years,violated,choked I feel your pain.Wish I new u and your family better.
Kudos to their mum for teaching them how to be strong, resilient and becoming the best versions of themselves. The whole family is very intelligent, kind and successful, a true inspiration ❤
No. The mom did not protect them from him. I give her no credit. The way these boys grew up is because of them. Nobody but themselves. I lived a life like this but included much violence physically and emotionally. I am a mental health practitioner and I give no credit to my parents. I did this. This is my success. Those boys are their own success and all credit goes to them.
@@nomad_sofficial not the mom. They need to be given the credit for who they are. They made the choice as adults to be their parents or to be their own person. Let’s give this guy his own due credit!
@@Theleaddog Still, she was there. She apparently kept them together although of course that was their effort. Give the girl a break; I wonder what her background was. And she was brilliant at modeling for money -- well into her 90's!! So she also set an example. Despite her younger years with definite shortcomings, not protecting the boys from their evil dad, I believe she is also a star. I am sorry to hear about your mom. My trouble was being ignored when I tried to connect with her. Lifelong pain -- but we overcome. ps I believe as a therapist you may be familiar with the phenom that when the man of the dysfunctional family is bullying, drinking usually, etc, wives are frequently reduced to powerlessness. It is part of the mess. I appreciate less judgment on me when I think back to how my children were endangered and not protected by me as was their right. pps All are sober and improved now. Happy endings. I hope your life goes well, Lead Dog.
@@-108- it's not black on white, the majority of crime is black on black and black on everyone else... Local blacks against foreign African nationals, just foreigners in general, against Whites, Indians, Coloured, Blacks.... It's just violence against everyone.
lol Fiction! The rate of violence was much higher in the 80s and early 90s than what it is now. It was at near civil war conditions. South Africa's rate per 100K today is back at 1970s levels, which are high, but then again S.A's socially engineered peri-urban labour concentration camp murder rates have been world-beating since the 1930s.
@@marylouleeman591 I think you misunderstood OPs comment. The point was, of course it would still bother you - what a stupid question for the interviewer to ask.
It bothers him because he did nothing. He is a coward and he knows it. He would've felt better if he had taken a beating with elon. He would be proud of himself, and elon would admire him for his courage. But not everyone's like that.
@@Earthy-Artist yea he had some good parents. Lucky man. My mom had five kids she had to raise by herself, she worked as a bartender at a strip club and was never home at night. My dad killed himself and was not there since I was five. Life was hell I’m 42 and just now getting my mind in order, the suffering I went through I would not wish upon anyone. Sadly, there are millions of kids experiencing that same suffering. We have all the wealth in this country, but everybody keeps it to themselves instead of helping each other. This is what the Bible warned about this could be a Utopia if the hearts of men and women.
@@FromTheHood2TheWoods I'm sorry you went through all of that! My childhood was absolutely abysmal as well. I came to know the Lord which helps me get through this life. The Bible says in Revelation 21:4 'And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.'
@@Earthy-Artist amen he has given me so many second chances and saved me so many times. I moved from Florida to a small mountain town just to change myself and my ways. Didn’t want to die without living a repentant life. Now I no longer have to fear death because I’m at peace knowing I’m doing my best. God bless you.
God's grace has been poured on these men! And I'm so sick of people whining about Being held back back By circumstances. These men truly suffered Intolerable racism and hate and look At their kindness and success .
Even in school Elon was resented for being smart. I recall learning about him thrown down the stairs, left shattered, teeth knocked out. He dragged himself up and repeated correct answers with a "fuck you" attitude. I have such enormous respect for these brothers.
As little girls we STEPPED INTO THE PUNCHES of my Father. My sister above me, for me. Myself for the littliest that was two years younger. PERIOD!! ALWAYS. TOOK BLAME FOR ANYTHING others did, so they wouldnt be the ones hitting the walls. I cant imagine sitting back and doing nothing. But I do understand that kind of 'freezing up'
Maybe that’s a difference between the US and South Africa then; here, at least in the South, a brother would’ve gotten beaten up alongside his brother rather than watch it, no matter how impractical it seems. Even people just standing by will help. Currently a courageous man awaits trial for saving subway passengers from a deranged man. Because the deranged man died, likely because he was under the influence of many substances, they’re prosecuting the man who saved them from him. So our men are brave but our justice system is f@kked up.
@@RandyProctor-l7zThe marine the original poster spoke of that helped in the NYC subway stepped out of the herd mentality you speak of that exists in cities in order to help. I think it depends on the group of people standing around. Some herds just have less people willing to put themselves at risk and step up to help when needed.
Most of us don't know how courageous we'll be in a violent situation. Most people freeze up andmost people claim they would not. Especially outnumbered or facing a stronger adversary.
I agree. It happened to me while watching someone I know get punched in the face on the street. I thought he was going to run me over with his car but I could not move. It was horrifying. I hope to God I would not freeze if it was someone I love that I needed to protect. 😢
It's difficult to understand,I'm guessing it's generational hate,that doesn't seem to leave. Is it financially motivated? Are there actual paths that can be taken to change things for the better? You're right,knowledge is severely lacking about sa plight,certainly speaking for myself. Obviously research helps but it's hard to separate the chaff from the wheat with today's media.
My younger brother got jumped in town by a group of men. When I found out , it put me into a rage. If I was there I can guarantee I'd be fighting for my brother even if the odds are heavily stacked against us. We go down together. ❤
I grew up in SA back then and yes, it was a very strict culture, but still we had respect for life. The boys would beat each other, but guns and knives were unheard of. SA today is riddled with crime and violence and no-one is really save.😢
I live in the UK now and my mum says not to go back. Not even for a visit because it's too dangerous to even drive home from the airport. It's a far cry from the country I grew up in. Yes, I was a minority that was oppressed but life for my family was a lot better back then than it is now.
@Ashtarot77 Oh, please, my husband, fly abroad frequently. He drives to O.R. Tambo and leaves his car there. He works in the medical field as a senior field service engineer. He goes to Soweto, Baraghwana, Arcadia. Yes, it's not as safe as when we were kids. The people of this country are still predominantly conservative. There are places that are very dangerous, but every country has its dangerous places. I lived abroad and even finished school abroad. There is no place like South Africa.
I guess apartheid was necessary after-all. Black tribes may have warred with each other without weapons, but the infrastructure was in place-- security, electricity, food, water, education and medical for all both white and black.
She was also a victim. Elon doesn't have tolerance for fools or abusers. The fact that he adores and respects her should be enough to get through your sophomoric state.
@@victrola2007 But we're adults when we're mothers. I had to leave my abuser when I realized I wasn't the only target--and I wish I'd realized far sooner that simply being a target myself was harming my child. I empathize with the mother. But I'll never excuse her or any adult who isn't protecting their child.
Elon and Kimball’s mother did take her 3 children with her when she left her abusive husband. The boys’ dad begged and argued for the return of his 2 sons. He claimed that it was unfair that he was deprived of all of his children. Elon and Kimbal voluntarily agreed and wanted to return to their dad. They may have regretted later. I believe that the dad thought that his wife would return if he had the sons but he was abusive to her too. Elon and Kimbal chose to return to their father for a variety of reasons.
You have no idea what you are talking about. The government is corrupt and the crime rate is high, but there has also been an increase in middle class black people because of access to education and opportunities.the country has a long way to go and definitely more couldve been done if it wasnt for corruption but it is definitely not more dangerous than before apartheid. Dont get it confused
lol Fiction! The rate of violence was much higher in the 80s and early 90s than what it is now. It was at near civil war conditions. South Africa's rate per 100K today is back at 1970s levels, which are high, but then again S.A's socially engineered peri-urban labour concentration camp murder rates have been world-beating since the 1930s.
I've lived in South Africa all my life. I was born here and went to school in a mining town. I walked to school or rode there in my bicycle through a veld. We played in the street till late. I lived in three large cities and I travelled alone in my car everywhere. Unafraid. Granted, since apartheid ended it has become a very violent society. The ruling party is unable to govern. Over the last 30 years the country has been falling apart. But I have to wonder, back when Kimbal and Elon were young adults living in South Africa, where did they hang out? What does he smoke?
The relationship with their dad was especially interesting. Ive seen this kind of relationship and it either brakes the kid or makes it highly motivated
A person being "highly" motivated does not necessarily make them a *good person in any way. Lots of $ money doesn't help a person (who is not already a good person) become a good person. E.M. has proven he's not.
My Dad took my family out of SA in 1973, there was 5 of us kids. My memories as a 9 year old then was it was an idyllic beautiful place, my fondest memories. My Dad worked on the docks in SA and had many "coloured" friends who told him then that things were going to change and he should take his family and leave. We went to Australia. Many people ask if I would go back, and I say no, the SA I knew is in my heart and memories why would I ruin that. I work in mining with so many SA who all say how bad it is and they wish they"d left sooner. The stories they have are horrific.
I wanna say I sincerely wish you all the peace you can find, in some way or another. DON'T EVER let this world get to you. You can overcome it. It's all about the power of your mind 🔥🔥♥️
My greatniece is on the autism spectrum with Asberger's, and though I don't personally care for Mr. Musk, I do respect all he has done through the challenges he faced
I’m English, now Australian. I’m learning about the white on white violence in the 80s now for the first time. It was unreported in the UK. I spent 80s protesting against apartheid. This certainly explains much of his 20s30s and 40s
Your slow, just look at the USA, see all the German, Italian, Irish, British, Scottish decent people fighting still in politics. Joe B. and the swamp just tried to assasinate another white person, before that it was Russia, Russia, Russia. Look at the Propaganda platforms here in the USA, it's basically white on white fighting, money, money, money, greed, greed, greed, power, power, power and so on. The brown people are just thrown in their to be used to fool the others.
@@eddiefoskew3613 White on white mass violence is practically unheard off in SA. Isolated incidents and bar fights yes, but mass beatings. I call bs on this guy. Musk went to two very high-end high schools in SA. In fact, the one where he matriculated is the most expensive private high school in SA at the moment . I lived in Pretoria for 15 years in the 1980/90's and know that area well. It was extremely safe.
@@joevil6259 ''White on white violence'?? What bullsh*t. The Afrikaans community distrusted their English-speaking fellow-citixens for good reason, and the latter still liked to pretend that Britannia Ruled The Waves; but there was NO mass violence between the two groups.
South Africa is like any other country, it has its good and bad parts. I have lived in Cape Town most of my life and I have not encountered anything like this guy is describing.
That's the worst kind of abuse, when it shifts between love and abuse. It destroys you. Weirdly enough, it's easier to handle someone being abusive all the time.
Holy hell. I grew up and still live in South Africa. And yes, we have our problems, but if you want to see our true spirit, come talk to us. Most of us love this country fiercely. I do not know where he grew up, but we were walking to town and home in the middle of the night, in groups, we were on trains as teenagers all alone, we slept with unlocked doors in the 80's. No problems. And yes, our country has changed, but our spirit have not. We are truly a special nation, diverse, weird, lovely, passionate, friendly. Our problems have in the past ánd present been the making of politicians. I am also Afrikaans speaking, and though my grandmother never liked to speak English due to the fact that the English put Afrikaners in consentration camps 1899-1902, she tried her level best to teach jy English boyfriend, back in the 80's some Afrikaans words. No one in my family abused the guy for being a different language. I am sorry they had a really tough time, but SA was and is a very very special place.
Wow! I have read about the Boer Wars in South Africa, but I assumed it concluded when the war ended. I had no idea that animosity continued, even a hundred years later.
It doesn't. This guy is full of it. My grandparents who were born from around 1900 to 1910 felt the sharp end of the British colonization and were obviously bitter about the whole thing, with their parents, uncles etc. who actually experienced the Anglo-Boer War. . My parents were 20-somethings in the 1950s and there was still some animosity but by the time I was a young lad in the late 70's early 1980s, there was very little bitterness between us. Kimble's remembrance of that period reflects more his own attitude towards the Afrikaners than anything else.
And as for the continuing animosity between, effectively, the North and South in the USA? At this very moment, it seems to this South African that America is on the brink of a Civil War sequel!
There is absolutely no animosity between the English and Afrikaans speakers in South Africa. This guy is so wrong. South Africans mostly get along really well and we are a friendly bunch.
I really do not agree that the hateed between English & Afrikaaners is as bad as he is saying! I am 83 years of age, & South African born - 1941 - & I have always got along, with NO animosity, between these 2 race groups. I grew up in a very English environment, having learned Afrikaans mainly as theory - Natal - came to study in Johannesburg after I had completed my school career, & was taken in, as it were, by a very Afrikaans family, who loved me & my family & willing & patiently taught us to speak Afrikaans. Today, thanks to them, we speak the language fluently. I love the Afrikaans people & even married an Afrikaans man, who was SO loving! Dieudonne' Joubert.
I have to agree with you. Having watched numerous interviews of Elon and Kimbal discuss the hatred, violence, etc, they claim to have lived through In SA, I find to be highly dramatised and frankly offensive. Whilst I admire their achievements, I do not respect their narrative on SA. Especially as neither did the required compulsory military training back in the day. If you want to talk about psychological damage, we can start there. I was Also born and raised in Natal and NEVER experienced this 'hatred' between English/Afrikaans when moving to the then Transvaal. In fact, quite the opposite.
Agree with you guys. I've lived in JHB, Durban and Cape Town and the lingering hatred between races that he refers to does not exist. Yes, there are racists in very race group in South Africa, and everyone here has probably experienced more racial hatred and injustice than anyone else on the planet, but there is not a constant, lingering hatred between race groups. For the most part we see each other, and relate to each other as South Africans.
@@rorybouffe6314 In fact, I would say quite confidently that it is indeed America who has a serious race issue. These things play out the world over, but this constant gross over exaggeration by the Musk brothers, must be challenged.
@@squfucs There is no such a thing as fear when it comes to your siblings. You die for your siblings, and you kill too if it has to come to that. I’m a woman and I would have taken those punches for my brother or my sister, and maybe even killed one before they killed me. I try not to judge, because everybody is different, but I am just saying how it would go with me.
@@selmahare I agree with you. I wish he had expressed some type of regret for not jumping in. Because it doesn't matter that you can't win--you fight to make it that much harder for *them* to win. To make it that much more costly for them to ever try again. But Elon was the older brother (barely--less than a year apart). And I think there are a lot of younger siblings who don't feel a sense of agency when it comes to the older siblings--they don't feel protective of them because the entire perspective is foreign. And it can take a very long time to adjust that mentality.
Ask my brother. Probably many reasons. Avoiding conflict for themselves as long as you’re the target. They harbour resentment and dehumanise you in the process. They lack empathy.
Interesting and understandable interview. Thank you for your openness on family dynamics, that takes courage and honest reflection. prayers for you and all others going through familial hard times.
This is why, even though elon is very wealthy , he still knows the everyday man . He has experienced horrific things . It has made him so strong . Glad we have you Elon.
I was in a more English Province as a Afrikaans speaker. We never had a white on white violence. Something I'll never forget is our family having dinner and we hear of bomb attacks or the cruelest thing a farmer and his wife suffered and we ask someone to pass you the Salt, etc. We became numb of all the violence. I left, stayed in the UK for about 11 years, got citizenship, moved to the US for my company, eventually got citizenship. All the black tribes are not the same. Some are calm, easy to work with and others very quick on their 'high horses' and unpleasant to work with.
Lots of kids have suffered similarly. I had my own SouthAfrican-like microcosm and at age 59 just starting to come to terms with it. CPTSD because of malicious dysfunctional environs throughout my childhood…and disappointed I was hamstrung from the start. It all stems from extremism, which is why many of us (and Elon) are humanists, desperate to see a better humanity.
English schools must have been different than Afrikaans schools? I went to a large Afrikaans school in Cape Town. It was a well known school with great Christian people. During my high school years there was one fight that I know of and I happened to be in it. LOL. I was the new kid in school. Just me and another guy that tried to bully me and lots of spectators. I won.
LOL. His point of view on abusing his sons?? Maybe you should do some more research on his father. Google and law records are free. If you protect abusers just say that
@@Maetaaaaaa What are you on about? public records of abuse to his kids? Stop making things up. I cannot engage with a dishonest individual. Do not bother with a response except with an actual document.
And yet I've just watched an interview with Errol (Elon's dad) saying he's about to go for dinner with Elon and pretends like he knows nothing at all and has no clue what anyone is talking about. According to him, things with him and Elon have always been good. Make it make sense.
I don’t understand why he didn’t jump in to defend his brother. He said they kept hitting him. He just said he was in a trance. That was his explanation for not taking some action. I have been in similar situation and I stood up to the aggressor and stopped it.
If someone started beating my brother, nothing could stop me from protecting him (and I am a 56 year old female). Not now and not ever. I would rather be beat up or dead than alive or unharmed but knowing that I did not protect him. Not judging - do not know the whole story and was never in that situation - but saying.
You couldn’t do anything but stand there when your brother was being attacked??? There is no processing of what is gong on. You either have the instinct to protect and help or you don’t . When I was a 10 year old girl in France, (dad was military) 3 guys jumped on my 14 year old brother and i instantly jumped on the back of one of them and started hitting him in the face and pulling his hair. He slung me off and I was right bak at it fighting all of them. Finally a Colonel came out and stopped it. I never even thought - I just saw my brother in trouble and jumped right in.
Not my experience at all. I grew up in apartheid SA and we kids felt much safer than South African kids do today! There was no violence between white population groups to speak of! We English kids didn't mix much with Afrikaners but they went to different schools. Life was free and fun in those days. These days, violence is common, mainly black on black.
I couldn't agree more. Really can't relate to his story. What white on white violence? Boys beating others at school, yes sure. Disgusting and terrible experience but had nothing to do with what was going on in the country.
Jenny, you said, "We English kids didn't mix much with Afrikaners but they went to different schools." Are most elementary schools, middle schools, and high schools in SA, English language schools? Are there Afrikaner language only schools anywhere in SA?
@@ChrisP-zj5jq yes we still have schools today. which are Afrikaans but we don't have separate middle schools. Grade 1 to 7 are called Primary schools and grade 8 to 12 are High Schools.
@@jennychurchill2716 So, are the English-speaking high schools fully racially integrated? How about Christian academies, or otherwise "private" high schools?
I grew up in South Africa in the eighties, an English kid in an Afrikaans town. I never saw or heard of "white-on-white" violence. I only heard of hatred two generations ago (my grandparents time) after the British put Afrikaner farmers in concentration camps.
Its good to see someone who survived bullying. Ive been through bullying
I knew what it was like to be bullied from 1st grade thru 4th. I was really short for my age and I got good grades. The problem was my teacher talking about it in front of the class. Don't make a child as a good or bad example. My PTSD comes from being bullied.
@@daphnekivinen9482 Good thing I have my dads temper and will fight back or get back. Us Hispanics back in the 70's were not that bad compared to you guys. We lived in between white and black and I will say the blacks were worse at starting trouble. But nothing on how Africans in Africa did each other and still do today. Or how whites did what they did to Natives, better to die fighting evil than living as a pushover.
Elon didn't survive bullying, he survived a violent assault. Bullying is silly kid stuff like, "You stink.'
@@laurahano2587 In the 80s and 90s I can confirm it was called "bullying".. lol
Elon didn't survive bullying. He survived attempted murder/manslaughter.
I grew up in the same city and circumstances as these brothers... Oh god.!... It was sickening! Thank God I survived
I am sure the boertjies bliksemed you good
Soek jy kak?
@@RowOfMushyTiT sorry wat sê jy moffie?
Really, why not give us some of your 'facts'?
clearly . .. . things didn't get better, look at the comments below for one, and at the country for another.
That kind of trauma is hard to get over.
Scars you
He’s right. You can’t repair a relationship with an insanely mean or evil person. 💗
With Jesus you can ...
Sounds like a mixed mood state of affairs...Very difficult to get over even with therapy.
@@patti5007I’m a believer but I have to disagree with that.. you can forgive them but not necessarily repair the relationship..
My step dad was insanely abusive to me, my sister, and my mom.. one of the main things that traumatized me is watching him hold a pistol to my moms head and screaming at her and saying he was gonna end her. I was 6 when that happened, my sister was 5. I’ve forgiven him and I still see/hear about him every once in a while because he’s the father of one of my sisters but I’ll never have a relationship with him again.. he’s an evil person.
@@patti5007not in cases where the person has an anti-social disorder as their father has
Like I can't with my eldest sister, who hated me from early on, and did very much to make me feel miserable. Beat and kicked the shit out of me, infront of our three year old toddler, last week. After not seeing each other for six years...thankfully, our child wasn't harmed, or traumatized. I will never forgive her for that!
Im glad he talks about how violent verbal and psychological abuse can be. Unless you know urself, it might b hard for some to imagine
Psychological abuse is the *worst* abuse there is. 😞
@@Simone-Bucn - It's high time psychological abuse was recognised as being equal to physical violence, be it domestic or otherwise.
@@OliviaHacking-kf7px absolutely! But, like everything else, if they can't *see* it, they don't care.
@@Simone-Bucn Not wanting to be negative just factual, it's worse than that. They DO see and don't care.
What happened at the Paris Olympics in boxing today is proof of that as a female contender stopped her match for fear of death.
Horrendous example on the global stage that many sick individuals would have appreciated.
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What a thoughtful man. This makes me look at his brother in a different way.
A little bit. I hadn't heard about the time when Elon was severely beat up, but I had a feeling that he had at least one older larger bully beat him up at some point while growing up.
? I never understand how people cannot read people without being shown. Just listening to Elon and you know he is a force of nature for goodness. I think he is a decent human.
@@sikugord03 He's changed his politics drastically recently, which should lead many to wonder about his underlying motivations. He's doing some horrible animal testing, and he's got inside connections into the government where he purchased much of his technology (I know how this goes as I dated a man many years ago who was part of a team who competed in a gov't auction to purchase sat radio tech from the gov't.)
I never liked the guy and that won’t change!
Antisemitism isn't pretty.
Healing from CPTSD from a parental relationship is not an easy feat, but a very necessary thing so you don't carry that generational trauma to the next generation. Kudos to them both for choosing themselves and supporting each other so they didn't have to go back.
Thankfully more and more people are becoming aware of CPTSD and generational trauma too. As knowing it exists helps that healing process to be able to start.
I've never heard of it before now. But that's what I had.
Trauma is everywhere. This is earth. Demons abound. When laws won't allow murder they use what they doing to Trump. Meaning hate is d evil. Bullying, racism...all is hate.
@@cynthiagonzalez658 You probably still have it. We all do. We are victims of our heredity, ancestry, and conditioning. But we are finding different ways of healing those wounds.
What does the C stand for?
I pray both of these men's hearts will be completely healed.
Gabor Mate.
It's so unfair.
@@Simone-Bucnsome people choose to be cruel. It is very sad the damage people do to one another. But the Lord can heal the broken hearted, and He will not reject any who come to Him. I speak from experience. I have hurt others and have been hurt, but the Lord forgave me, healed my heart, and changed me. I am nobody in this life. If He will do it for me, He will do it for all who cry out to Him.
@@StarAndAshley Thank You, I needed to see this today ! God Bless you , what you say is 100% true .🙏😇
While you're at it, pray for Elon's children. Do a little research and you'll find out he's no Gem of a father, just a smaller chip from the same stone.
I just did the exact oppsite of my parents for my family. And i physically protected my siblings, i made a decision to jump inbetween my abuser and them. I will never regret that.
Why would you regret it, hypothetically, I mean...like...what situation would have to arrive where you'd be all: "Son of a gun, I sh9ulda let ya get it all those times..." Whatever that situation is, I hope it never occurs!!!
@@Joshua_Froschauer I know bc RIGHT?!! Hahaha
God bless you!! You broke the cycle! 🎉🎉🎉YAAAAY YOU!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💗👍🏻🙏🏻 I broke the abusive cycle in/of my family, too.
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You're a better person than me.
"America doesn't understand that the rest of the world is not like America" YES
Americans also have this idea that they are exceptional and better than everywhere else which also isn't really true. It's quite contradictory.
@budawang77 I'm American. Are you talking about Patriotism? Or entitlement? I think Patriotism is lacking, as we don't do a good job of educating our people about what we do, why do it, Democracy, etc. I see a lot of entitlement, where most Americans live in a cozy bubble where they have no clue what it's like of citizens around the world. They think their rights are always trampled on, which has some truth, but is a joke compared to most countries and some will visit a nice part of Europe for a week or two and think that the USA should become a Socialist country. Most are completely ignorant about global relations, whether it be trade or security & know little to nothing about other countries, where I feel like other countries know quite a bit about us because we tend to set the tone for the rest of the world, so what we do effects everyone else.
@budawang77 to clarify, as an American I think my country is "the best" and am very glad I was born here. I expect many foreigners think THEIR country is "the best" and I think that is very healthy! However, as a human being, I do not think I am better than another human being for simply being American. Hope that makes sense.
@@toeachitsown2050 Yes, all this is more or less true. I'm Australian and the same can be said about us to a lesser degree. Our population is only 26 million but we occupy an entire continent and we can be entitled and live inside our own cozy bubble. However, unlike the USA, we can't pretend to be the centre of the universe and a large majority of Australians have travelled outside their country, often to Asia. The US is such a big and influential country that the average Australian knows a lot more about you than you know about us. We're following your election closely and feel like we have a big stake in it.
@@toeachitsown2050 The word "best" is subjective. Perhaps it's the best for you because of your specific criteria or simply because you aren't familiar with anything else. I'm Australian but currently residing in the tiny Pacific nation of Vanuatu which, by the usual measures, would be considered far from "the best". However, its people are some of the happiest in the world and live in a beautiful environment. They have a strong sense of belonging and their mental health is generally a lot better than in "advanced" countries. If your sole criteria are mental health and human happiness, then I'd wager Vanuatu is "better" than either Australia or the US.
Healing from CPTSD from a parental relationship is incredibly hard, especially when your siblings, who were used as pawns alongside the parent, go in the other direction. I had to sever all ties with the parent and the siblings who refuse to acknowledge and move on. I am so glad the two brothers have and support each other.
We have lots in common. Same story here.
Same here.
It's a trip how similar him and Elon are. Their mannerisms and how they speak, it's similar to twins. It's fascinating!
I didn’t think twins exactly but I notice a lot of similarities for sure.
There’s a resemblance to Joe Simpson, Jessica Simpson’s father.
he bangs kids.
@@alexandra-q7u1m I'm gonna have to check that out!
They are extremely close siblings.
Always amazes me when children of extreme abuse and trauma grow up to be as kind and articulate as these guys.
I believe some children of abuse understand how evil the abuse that happened to them was. They vow never to become like that themselves. Sometimes those children grow to be adults of peace.
@@Earthy-Artist Get into it. Get into your trauma. It's okay. Very healing.
musk is a monster.
@@nejuw what have you done useful for others? Is there anything someone uses that you have built that is comparable (at least in potential) with what Musk has done? If not, I hope you never have any power over others, because you would be a monster due to a skewed hierarchy of moral values. Imagination does not constitute proof.
You don't understand the difference between Musk acquiring companies because of his fathers wealth, wealth from stolen land and the theft of its resources and the people that actually have the brains that develop the technology. He's bought and paid for by Saudi Arabia and off his head on psychedelics. @@IsacriToth
My sister and I went through alot of the same. It is hard to realize that the people who are suppose to love you the most can not stand you.
So wild what people have had to live through, just because of where they were born.
Yes, and worse when people who you are supposed to trust assault innocent people because they are not white or assume they have to be a perpetrator based on what they look like!
Cops are supposed to serve and protect!
The United States isn't any safer!
Their grandfather chose to live there, not them.
I'm American and I have seen extreme violence since I was a child. Now, at 57, I reflect on the trauma I work on unloading every day. My earliest memory is from 3 years old and city living in America is a war zone, especially when you're poor. Look around, nothing has changed, things have only gotten worse. 💔🇺🇸
@@randje1999Elon, Kimbal and their sister who weren't born yet? ok😂
No wonder Elon is strong and able to stand up against the crowd. He’s already been through and see the worst of it. What can they scare him with now. I don’t agree with Elon on everything but you can’t help but admire and respect him-and his brother! Very enlightening.
Is your admiration and respect based on his money or his money? ;-)
You admire the money. He is a lunatic
Thank Mr Kimbal Musk for your candor
Possibly his integrity@@georgejetson3702
@@georgejetson3702 I'm not on the EV bus but Tesla is a remarkable company. Do some research on their residential solar and battery tech. SpaceX is blowing the doors of Boeing with less than half the money. If you can't respect his accomplishments it's because you're blinded by the media persecution of him. That and jealousy. Projection.
Totally realistic. I also grew up in South Africa in the 80's. My gentle, kind, considerate father (head of education at a teachers training college) who was a white anti apartheids activist was beaten to a pulp by our neigbourhood men who formed a gang. Reason for this brutal attack: he advocated for the rights of a black choir that wanted to perform in our town hall. I watched this happen in front of my eyes. I was a six year old....I still have flashbacks to this day ( as a 54 year old woman) and it is TRAUMATIC!!
I'm so devastated you and your family experienced that. Especially when you were so tiny 😔 I hope things are better for you now, but thank you for sharing just how scary and chaotic it can be in other places. We are very blessed in America, and we don't often stop to feel gratitude or even know enough to know how blessed we are. Thank you ❤ what an exceptional man your dad must be.
@@saturdaysworrioryou know that kinda stuff happened in America and there are tons of people who are still alive to tell yhe stories of what the witnessed.
Thank God your dad stood for what was right and didn't stand down. Blessings and Kudos to him.
@characterchange6793 yes, I'm one of them, and can still feel empathy.
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A reason I love this family is because they never paraphrase anyone but are deep thinkers and use their own original thoughts to form phrases. Very intelligent individuals ❤
You can never be sure that someone does not paraphrase someone else. It is impossible to be so certain.
For education, look up how dissertations, thesis papers, research articles are checked for possible plagiarism. That is hard work, and it relies on the available base of comparison. In a person’s conversation, there is usually no possibility to check whether the speaker paraphrases someone else (save for the famous quotes of famous people).
Yes. Educated in South Africa 😂
Emotional & psychological abuse lasts longer and has a much deeper effect than physical abuse/violence.
Not really. Do you think physical abuse is accompanied by silence? Tons of emotional abuse happens alongside the physical abuse.
@@suras8984 yes, that’s what I’m saying, the physical abuse heals, but the psychological part of it takes much longer.
You are think being physically abused isn’t an emotional experience?
@@mogznwaz No, they occur together often, obviously. What I am saying is that when the bruises etc. heal, the depression, anxiety, and emotional pain remains a lot longer.
@@suras8984 It's all horrible.
And Don Lemon had the nerve to accuse Elon of getting his success because of his white privilege.
Lemonhead is a clown..
Blacks are the same all over the world. they will never stop fighting. Its who they are.
Yeah what an idiot
FDL!
Well he did and his Mother did as well
I grew up in a really dangerous city and, my parents abused me regularly physically and mentally.
Unlike Elon I never made it. Whatever it takes to make it in this world has been removed from me.
Elon makes me so proud.
Stay strong, only you can ultimately take this from yourself! Others can push you to the limit, only you can give up on yourself. Find a way to love yourself and then you will find your will to keep pushing forward and eventually undoubtedly progress forward meaningfully. I believe in you!
Amen. Elon was chosen by God as an example to us all
Oftentimes just surviving is the "making it".
I am so sorry that you had to experience such childhood trauma.
Just the fact that you are here and able to make this comment says a lot about your resilience.
You’re still alive you breathe you made it bro congrats
This is incredibly sad😢. Thank you for sharing Kimball.
SAD? HaHa... They (like my sons!) had wonderful time growing up in SA! That was fantastic time before 'cellphones' and computers and crap! ... and if you're too big for your shoes, you DO get put back in place by your peers! ..... which is a fist-fight! They also played rugby like that!.. HARD !
@@pf1830 NO, they did NOT have a "wonderful" time. Did you even watch the video? Kimball spoke about HIS and ELON'S experience and it was SAD. They're NOT your sons.
CPTSD... This is so sad.
…and these brothers still are able to smile
Well, they also have each other and are very close. That's a good thing, when there are parts of the family you didn't need to cut off.
Still, the same level of violence in South Africa is hard to explain.
las vegas mandalay bay violence with thousands injured by one man. A true American with a motivation. no one in south Africa is capable of that level of violence with by one man
@@KuatoLives99 I have no clue what youre trying to do here
It's easy to explain. Anywhere you go in the entire world where the population is almost entirely buhlack you'll see the same numbers. Don't be afraid to point out the truth because someone will slap a label on you. It's just a label.
Nice made up whataboutism.
@@KuatoLives99 one has a traumatic event every so often. South Africa has one every single day
It’s easy to covet what the Musk brothers have as adults but most of us could not bear to go through their childhood.
Poor man, I can relate to him about the chaotic attachment. I had a similar childhood. My dad was not a physically violent man, but would torment us with hours and hours of verbal abuse.
That is psychologically violent. Make no mistake about it. Bruises & bones heal far more easily than a person's heart & soul
That’s typical much worse than physical abuse. Physical is obvious but phycological does so much unknown damage for the rest of your life. 😢
with the result that you then had NO relationship with him as an adult. pretty much like my relationship with mine. As an adult I wd call my mom every day, never my Dad. and when i went to their house i usually only went when my mom was home, not my Dad. and if i encountered him, I only spoke to him when he spoke to me. He destroyed the relationship long before I go to b an adult.
@@Lauren-vd4qeyup…..and they think they’re right, always gotta be right,killing love the whole time.🇺🇸
My mom would do the same. I’m 42 and still have nightmares about that women. And I’m supposed to easily “forgive” her. Smh. She hasn’t contacted me in 8 years. She’s a selfish monster from hell
How dangerous South Africa WAS? not past tense! MORE DANGEROUS now.
Yes you are right
Still IS !!!
Basketball people are like that everywhere
Absolutely!! Insanely violent and brutal place, which is precisely why apartheid was established in the first place, as an agreed upon barrier between warring tribes that had been slaughtering each other for millennia and other African tribal invaders.
Yes, still very dangerous but in slighty different ways. Having been back recently for the first time in 7 years, though, I had a real sense that change for the better is coming. The government is corrupt, and infrastructure is falling apart but there is a coming together of people as South-Africans apart from their tribes, colours or languages.
To me what is aweful? is not knowing if you tried or not helping your brother. I got jumped by 3 men and my younger brother, he was 15 at the time was by my side out of nowhere hitting ang getting hit. That's when i felt fear, really felt the fear. How am i going to face my parents if something happened to their younges child? That gave me the extra OOOmp and finished the fight with the heavy and thick ashstray over their heads and got my brother home to my parents house safe.
That's what I was thinking. How do you not remember. I ain't believing this guy's story. I think he's trying to make excuses for his brothers nutty ass ways.
it's not that he does not remember. It's where the trauma is... the 2 examples he gave is him watching people being killed one a stranger and the other his brother, and doing nothing... that's the thought he witnessed and froze and did nothing that is torturing him... and I know exactly the feeling because I remember being in similar situation... he has to forgive himself, there was nothing he could do, just be beaten up with his brother...
It sounds like he father had so much control over them, he can’t react to defend himself, it’s very complicated to explain. The reason I know is because my mom verbally abused me to the point of inaction, she said I was dumb therefore I let her guide my actions, it takes a long time to recover from overwhelming abuse. There is much today on the subject but I recognize he had a abusive narcissistic parent
@@librarymouse567X♥️X I experienced the same as you. All the best to you.
I get what you're saying Joann.
*I got quite a few memories where now
I wish I'd taken some verbal offenders I came across On It
Instead of letting it go and and keeping my head cool, and let them get away with it.
Why?
I was brought up to be respectful, be tolerant, and avoid trouble as much as possible.
Although I was also encouraged to speak my mind
That was South Africa in the 80’s….imagine what it is like now here in South Africa.
Horrible...it's horrible here😭
Must remember that was the time of the uprising against apartheid so was more of political killings... now it's actual crime
I’ve worked overseas with S. African police officers. The stories they told me were terrifying. If we don’t get our shit sorted out real quick, we’re going to be living it here.
'mericans are do ethno-centric. Like we're 'sposed to know ure a 'merican ?@@bevalexander5897
I have several good friends who are SA, they say their quite fearful of the collapse of SA
WOW 😯 this is crazy.... The way he speaks, such as taking pauses between his words. His mannerisms, his facial movements, his expressions, it is exactly Elon.
It’s autism. Elon has mentioned being autistic, it’s genetic and generally affects multiple people in the family. The pauses in speech can be one of the traits.
@@woopweep9605 it also show maturity in reflective and selective words/responses. I don't think that's autism. They both show empathy and self reflection. both on a micro and macro level.
@@user-fl6ko9do5yin the case of someone like Obama, it shows they want to be careful with what they say and secret in hiding true thoughts. I don't trust politicians who are careful in what they say
Both are intelligent
Omg I feel so sorry for him I know about death and violence I’ve been thru the same stuff.@Kimbal Musk I’m so sorry I’m an older woman who’s been shot at for 10 years,violated,choked I feel your pain.Wish I new u and your family better.
I hope you were able to get out of the abusive relationship you were in.
Kudos to their mum for teaching them how to be strong, resilient and becoming the best versions of themselves. The whole family is very intelligent, kind and successful, a true inspiration ❤
No. The mom did not protect them from him. I give her no credit. The way these boys grew up is because of them. Nobody but themselves. I lived a life like this but included much violence physically and emotionally. I am a mental health practitioner and I give no credit to my parents. I did this. This is my success. Those boys are their own success and all credit goes to them.
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@@nomad_sofficial not the mom. They need to be given the credit for who they are. They made the choice as adults to be their parents or to be their own person. Let’s give this guy his own due credit!
You mean the satanic parents??
@@Theleaddog Still, she was there. She apparently kept them together although of course that was their effort. Give the girl a break; I wonder what her background was. And she was brilliant at modeling for money -- well into her 90's!! So she also set an example. Despite her younger years with definite shortcomings, not protecting the boys from their evil dad, I believe she is also a star. I am sorry to hear about your mom. My trouble was being ignored when I tried to connect with her. Lifelong pain -- but we overcome. ps I believe as a therapist you may be familiar with the phenom that when the man of the dysfunctional family is bullying, drinking usually, etc, wives are frequently reduced to powerlessness. It is part of the mess. I appreciate less judgment on me when I think back to how my children were endangered and not protected by me as was their right. pps All are sober and improved now. Happy endings. I hope your life goes well, Lead Dog.
BACK THEN? South Africa is MORE DANGEROUS NOW.
But now it's black on white, and a totally different dynamic.
You have no idea South Africa in the 80s was a War Zone not comparing to now
@@ambessaseway5594 I guess you get used to anything.
@@-108- it's not black on white, the majority of crime is black on black and black on everyone else... Local blacks against foreign African nationals, just foreigners in general, against Whites, Indians, Coloured, Blacks.... It's just violence against everyone.
lol Fiction! The rate of violence was much higher in the 80s and early 90s than what it is now. It was at near civil war conditions.
South Africa's rate per 100K today is back at 1970s levels, which are high, but then again S.A's socially engineered peri-urban labour concentration camp murder rates have been world-beating since the 1930s.
I had no idea.. such a sad beginning for them..
You watched your brother getting beat nearly to death. That still bothers you, why?. That has to be one of the dumbest question I've ever heard.
Who was older, and how old? You know the circumstances?
You have no heart.
@@marylouleeman591 I think you misunderstood OPs comment. The point was, of course it would still bother you - what a stupid question for the interviewer to ask.
@@lisa34478you’re correct- they misunderstood the comment
It bothers him because he did nothing. He is a coward and he knows it. He would've felt better if he had taken a beating with elon. He would be proud of himself, and elon would admire him for his courage. But not everyone's like that.
Beautiful childhood pictures. Life is so short. We are not here long
I noticed one of the photos Elon was cuddling his dog, and in another photo was touching his brothers shoulder. Elon seems very kind.
@@Earthy-Artist yea he had some good parents. Lucky man. My mom had five kids she had to raise by herself, she worked as a bartender at a strip club and was never home at night. My dad killed himself and was not there since I was five. Life was hell I’m 42 and just now getting my mind in order, the suffering I went through I would not wish upon anyone. Sadly, there are millions of kids experiencing that same suffering. We have all the wealth in this country, but everybody keeps it to themselves instead of helping each other. This is what the Bible warned about this could be a Utopia if the hearts of men and women.
He's still a racist Nazi.
@@FromTheHood2TheWoods I'm sorry you went through all of that! My childhood was absolutely abysmal as well. I came to know the Lord which helps me get through this life. The Bible says in Revelation 21:4 'And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.'
@@Earthy-Artist amen he has given me so many second chances and saved me so many times. I moved from Florida to a small mountain town just to change myself and my ways. Didn’t want to die without living a repentant life. Now I no longer have to fear death because I’m at peace knowing I’m doing my best. God bless you.
God's grace has been poured on these men! And I'm so sick of people whining about Being held back back By circumstances. These men truly suffered Intolerable racism and hate and look At their kindness and success .
How did they tolerate racism. They were white in south africa during apartheid.!
Even in school Elon was resented for being smart. I recall learning about him thrown down the stairs, left shattered, teeth knocked out. He dragged himself up and repeated correct answers with a "fuck you" attitude. I have such enormous respect for these brothers.
did he really get his teeth knocked out?
I do too.
I agree.. Elon Musk deserves all of the success he’s got.
Their mother ❤
For goodness sake everyone was bullied in school and no one have PTSD! Stop victimization.
As little girls we STEPPED INTO THE PUNCHES of my Father. My sister above me, for me. Myself for the littliest that was two years younger. PERIOD!! ALWAYS. TOOK BLAME FOR ANYTHING others did, so they wouldnt be the ones hitting the walls. I cant imagine sitting back and doing nothing. But I do understand that kind of 'freezing up'
So sad… very thankful you all survived the torture and pain 🙏🏻♥️
Maybe that’s a difference between the US and South Africa then; here, at least in the South, a brother would’ve gotten beaten up alongside his brother rather than watch it, no matter how impractical it seems. Even people just standing by will help.
Currently a courageous man awaits trial for saving subway passengers from a deranged man. Because the deranged man died, likely because he was under the influence of many substances, they’re prosecuting the man who saved them from him. So our men are brave but our justice system is f@kked up.
Alot of people get beat up in cities and people just walk by without helping,your statement is not 100%accurate.
@@RandyProctor-l7zThe marine the original poster spoke of that helped in the NYC subway stepped out of the herd mentality you speak of that exists in cities in order to help. I think it depends on the group of people standing around. Some herds just have less people willing to put themselves at risk and step up to help when needed.
It's not all South Africans it's just him
US is also a dangerous country too
South Africa violent "back then"? IT IS STILL VIOLENT.
Violence gets passed down from generation to generation. Hard to break the cycle, but it is possible.
Very
He no longer lives there. Obviously he's speaking about when they lived there.
@@kat4479exactly
Most of us don't know how courageous we'll be in a violent situation. Most people freeze up andmost people claim they would not. Especially outnumbered or facing a stronger adversary.
I agree. It happened to me while watching someone I know get punched in the face on the street. I thought he was going to run me over with his car but I could not move. It was horrifying. I hope to God I would not freeze if it was someone I love that I needed to protect. 😢
Alot of western people in comments who really dont get what life in South Africa can be.
All I need to know is South Africa is a shithole nation.
@HouseWinchester1874thanks SA doesn't want you there
@@76shianmove along sub human
It's difficult to understand,I'm guessing it's generational hate,that doesn't seem to leave.
Is it financially motivated?
Are there actual paths that can be taken to change things for the better?
You're right,knowledge is severely lacking about sa plight,certainly speaking for myself.
Obviously research helps but it's hard to separate the chaff from the wheat with today's media.
I'm African American. I can reckon, I'm sure.
My younger brother got jumped in town by a group of men. When I found out , it put me into a rage. If I was there I can guarantee I'd be fighting for my brother even if the odds are heavily stacked against us. We go down together. ❤
Maybe.
@jillybe1873 yes, it's all just hypothetical, until it's not.
I grew up in SA back then and yes, it was a very strict culture, but still we had respect for life. The boys would beat each other, but guns and knives were unheard of. SA today is riddled with crime and violence and no-one is really save.😢
I live in the UK now and my mum says not to go back. Not even for a visit because it's too dangerous to even drive home from the airport. It's a far cry from the country I grew up in. Yes, I was a minority that was oppressed but life for my family was a lot better back then than it is now.
@Ashtarot77 Oh, please, my husband, fly abroad frequently. He drives to O.R. Tambo and leaves his car there. He works in the medical field as a senior field service engineer. He goes to Soweto, Baraghwana, Arcadia. Yes, it's not as safe as when we were kids. The people of this country are still predominantly conservative. There are places that are very dangerous, but every country has its dangerous places. I lived abroad and even finished school abroad. There is no place like South Africa.
@@grumpy_me5521 Lucky you.
I guess apartheid was necessary after-all. Black tribes may have warred with each other without weapons, but the infrastructure was in place-- security, electricity, food, water, education and medical for all both white and black.
@@rzella8022 you can't be serious ...
Surviving a Narcissistic father, takes years to recover from, and shame on there mother for not taking those boys away out of that environment.
She was likely a victim too!
“Their mother”
She was also a victim. Elon doesn't have tolerance for fools or abusers. The fact that he adores and respects her should be enough to get through your sophomoric state.
@@victrola2007 But we're adults when we're mothers. I had to leave my abuser when I realized I wasn't the only target--and I wish I'd realized far sooner that simply being a target myself was harming my child.
I empathize with the mother. But I'll never excuse her or any adult who isn't protecting their child.
Elon and Kimball’s mother did take her 3 children with her when she left her abusive husband. The boys’ dad begged and argued for the return of his 2 sons. He claimed that it was unfair that he was deprived of all of his children. Elon and Kimbal voluntarily agreed and wanted to return to their dad. They may have regretted later. I believe that the dad thought that his wife would return if he had the sons but he was abusive to her too. Elon and Kimbal chose to return to their father for a variety of reasons.
South Africa is more dangerous post apartheid...
😢😭🥹
Who would’ve thought😂
You have no idea what you are talking about. The government is corrupt and the crime rate is high, but there has also been an increase in middle class black people because of access to education and opportunities.the country has a long way to go and definitely more couldve been done if it wasnt for corruption but it is definitely not more dangerous than before apartheid. Dont get it confused
@TooGoodForTV-w1n virtue signalling lies.
lol Fiction! The rate of violence was much higher in the 80s and early 90s than what it is now. It was at near civil war conditions.
South Africa's rate per 100K today is back at 1970s levels, which are high, but then again S.A's socially engineered peri-urban labour concentration camp murder rates have been world-beating since the 1930s.
I've lived in South Africa all my life. I was born here and went to school in a mining town. I walked to school or rode there in my bicycle through a veld. We played in the street till late. I lived in three large cities and I travelled alone in my car everywhere. Unafraid. Granted, since apartheid ended it has become a very violent society. The ruling party is unable to govern. Over the last 30 years the country has been falling apart. But I have to wonder, back when Kimbal and Elon were young adults living in South Africa, where did they hang out? What does he smoke?
The relationship with their dad was especially interesting. Ive seen this kind of relationship and it either brakes the kid or makes it highly motivated
A person being "highly" motivated does not necessarily make them a *good person in any way. Lots of $ money doesn't help a person (who is not already a good person) become a good person. E.M. has proven he's not.
@@JesgateOnDownBill gates much😂😂😂😂
@@JesgateOnDownc'mon Zuckerturd lighten up😵💫😵💫😵💫
It was interesting and very disturbing. I have compassion for them. Their father was a monster.
@@JesgateOnDownWhy do you think he is not? Stop reading headlines. Watch interviews instead
Kimble is an absolute treasure....
Bless these brothers 🙏🏼❤🙏🏼
South Africa is now much, much more dangerous! You lived here when things were not to bad.
My Dad took my family out of SA in 1973, there was 5 of us kids. My memories as a 9 year old then was it was an idyllic beautiful place, my fondest memories. My Dad worked on the docks in SA and had many "coloured" friends who told him then that things were going to change and he should take his family and leave. We went to Australia. Many people ask if I would go back, and I say no, the SA I knew is in my heart and memories why would I ruin that. I work in mining with so many SA who all say how bad it is and they wish they"d left sooner. The stories they have are horrific.
Thank you for sharing. I hope it was healing for many.
They seemed to have had a nice mother.
I’ve been beaten unrecognizable before, it is traumatizing
Me too
Believe Elon ended up staying in the hospital for a week after the beating.
i'm very sorry
As someone who has Asperger’s and grew up getting mercilessly bullied, Elon Musk is a huge inspiration to me. God Bless that man.
He's a Nazi... let that sink in!!!!
I wanna say I sincerely wish you all the peace you can find, in some way or another.
DON'T EVER let this world get to you. You can overcome it. It's all about the power of your mind 🔥🔥♥️
My dad told me that I was in the world but not of it.
My greatniece is on the autism spectrum with Asberger's, and though I don't personally care for Mr. Musk, I do respect all he has done through the challenges he faced
Musk is a huge inspiration for me as a parent of a child with Aspergers who was relentlessly bullied.
I’m English, now Australian. I’m learning about the white on white violence in the 80s now for the first time. It was unreported in the UK. I spent 80s protesting against apartheid. This certainly explains much of his 20s30s and 40s
Your slow, just look at the USA, see all the German, Italian, Irish, British, Scottish decent people fighting still in politics. Joe B. and the swamp just tried to assasinate another white person, before that it was Russia, Russia, Russia. Look at the Propaganda platforms here in the USA, it's basically white on white fighting, money, money, money, greed, greed, greed, power, power, power and so on. The brown people are just thrown in their to be used to fool the others.
@@eddiefoskew3613 White on white mass violence is practically unheard off in SA. Isolated incidents and bar fights yes, but mass beatings. I call bs on this guy. Musk went to two very high-end high schools in SA. In fact, the one where he matriculated is the most expensive private high school in SA at the moment . I lived in Pretoria for 15 years in the 1980/90's and know that area well. It was extremely safe.
@@joevil6259 ''White on white violence'?? What bullsh*t. The Afrikaans community distrusted their English-speaking fellow-citixens for good reason, and the latter still liked to pretend that Britannia Ruled The Waves; but there was NO mass violence between the two groups.
I've never seen any white on white violence in the 80's. I like Elon and Kimbel but they sometimes like there father seem abit detached from reality.
Never heard this story. Amazing
Thank god Elon and his bro left South Africa.
What an awful, chaotic place to live.
Their father was bipolar and hated himself.
Don't cry little girl
You're just mad cuz you're still stuck there )
@@RowOfMushyTiT here is the moffie again
South Africa is like any other country, it has its good and bad parts. I have lived in Cape Town most of my life and I have not encountered anything like this guy is describing.
I am from same era and this is exactly what it was like in South Africa then - made us tough 😂 fight for your life .
It's kids bullying kids in school. Happens everywhere.
That's the worst kind of abuse, when it shifts between love and abuse. It destroys you. Weirdly enough, it's easier to handle someone being abusive all the time.
Holy hell. I grew up and still live in South Africa. And yes, we have our problems, but if you want to see our true spirit, come talk to us. Most of us love this country fiercely.
I do not know where he grew up, but we were walking to town and home in the middle of the night, in groups, we were on trains as teenagers all alone, we slept with unlocked doors in the 80's. No problems.
And yes, our country has changed, but our spirit have not. We are truly a special nation, diverse, weird, lovely, passionate, friendly.
Our problems have in the past ánd present been the making of politicians.
I am also Afrikaans speaking, and though my grandmother never liked to speak English due to the fact that the English put Afrikaners in consentration camps 1899-1902, she tried her level best to teach jy English boyfriend, back in the 80's some Afrikaans words. No one in my family abused the guy for being a different language.
I am sorry they had a really tough time, but SA was and is a very very special place.
Good for you speaking up for the beloved country.
The two brothers have such similar ways of speaking & processing. It’s fascinating.
Wow! I have read about the Boer Wars in South Africa, but I assumed it concluded when the war ended. I had no idea that animosity continued, even a hundred years later.
It doesn't. This guy is full of it. My grandparents who were born from around 1900 to 1910 felt the sharp end of the British colonization and were obviously bitter about the whole thing, with their parents, uncles etc. who actually experienced the Anglo-Boer War. . My parents were 20-somethings in the 1950s and there was still some animosity but by the time I was a young lad in the late 70's early 1980s, there was very little bitterness between us. Kimble's remembrance of that period reflects more his own attitude towards the Afrikaners than anything else.
@@joevil6259 Jip. He's just lying through his neck.
@@joevil6259 Precisely, boet!
And as for the continuing animosity between, effectively, the North and South in the USA? At this very moment, it seems to this South African that America is on the brink of a Civil War sequel!
There is absolutely no animosity between the English and Afrikaans speakers in South Africa. This guy is so wrong. South Africans mostly get along really well and we are a friendly bunch.
I found mental abuse to be so much more painful and forever compared to physical abuse.
Kimbal - i like your AUTHENTICITY ❤ Go on like this
To know this and not stick up for your brother..........Whats a gutless, cowardly feeling.
He reminds me of a young Warren Beatty.
Yes he does 😊👵🏽✌🏾
I can see that
he is very attractive
I really do not agree that the hateed between English & Afrikaaners is as bad as he is saying! I am 83 years of age, & South African born - 1941 - & I have always got along, with NO animosity, between these 2 race groups. I grew up in a very English environment, having learned Afrikaans mainly as theory - Natal - came to study in Johannesburg after I had completed my school career, & was taken in, as it were, by a very Afrikaans family, who loved me & my family & willing & patiently taught us to speak Afrikaans. Today, thanks to them, we speak the language fluently. I love the Afrikaans people & even married an Afrikaans man, who was SO loving! Dieudonne' Joubert.
I have to agree with you. Having watched numerous interviews of Elon and Kimbal discuss the hatred, violence, etc, they claim to have lived through In SA, I find to be highly dramatised and frankly offensive.
Whilst I admire their achievements, I do not respect their narrative on SA. Especially as neither did the required compulsory military training back in the day. If you want to talk about psychological damage, we can start there.
I was Also born and raised in Natal and NEVER experienced this 'hatred' between English/Afrikaans when moving to the then Transvaal. In fact, quite the opposite.
Agree with you guys. I've lived in JHB, Durban and Cape Town and the lingering hatred between races that he refers to does not exist. Yes, there are racists in very race group in South Africa, and everyone here has probably experienced more racial hatred and injustice than anyone else on the planet, but there is not a constant, lingering hatred between race groups. For the most part we see each other, and relate to each other as South Africans.
@@rorybouffe6314 In fact, I would say quite confidently that it is indeed America who has a serious race issue. These things play out the world over, but this constant gross over exaggeration by the Musk brothers, must be challenged.
With all due respect, it was different for men. There is no comparison.
So.....are you saying Nelson Mandela is a liar and doesn't know what he is talking about??
How can a brother let another brother get beat up without trying to help
fear
@@squfucs There is no such a thing as fear when it comes to your siblings. You die for your siblings, and you kill too if it has to come to that. I’m a woman and I would have taken those punches for my brother or my sister, and maybe even killed one before they killed me. I try not to judge, because everybody is different, but I am just saying how it would go with me.
@@selmahare nobody asked
@@selmahare I agree with you. I wish he had expressed some type of regret for not jumping in. Because it doesn't matter that you can't win--you fight to make it that much harder for *them* to win. To make it that much more costly for them to ever try again.
But Elon was the older brother (barely--less than a year apart). And I think there are a lot of younger siblings who don't feel a sense of agency when it comes to the older siblings--they don't feel protective of them because the entire perspective is foreign. And it can take a very long time to adjust that mentality.
Ask my brother.
Probably many reasons.
Avoiding conflict for themselves as long as you’re the target.
They harbour resentment and dehumanise you in the process.
They lack empathy.
Interesting and understandable interview. Thank you for your openness on family dynamics, that takes courage and honest reflection. prayers for you and all others going through familial hard times.
This is why, even though elon is very wealthy , he still knows the everyday man . He has experienced horrific things . It has made him so strong . Glad we have you Elon.
I’m from Canada and I’m just terrified of South Africa. I love the people it’s just that I can tell that there’s some serious disturbance there.
It’s a great place, most people are kind and helpful , weather and food second to none. It’s about knowing which parts to visit.
So you believe everything you read?
@ not quite, the dangers of Hollywood.
Oh this makes me so very sad for you and your siblings! By thank you for being strong enough to break this huge chain!!
I was in a more English Province as a Afrikaans speaker. We never had a white on white violence. Something I'll never forget is our family having dinner and we hear of bomb attacks or the cruelest thing a farmer and his wife suffered and we ask someone to pass you the Salt, etc. We became numb of all the violence. I left, stayed in the UK for about 11 years, got citizenship, moved to the US for my company, eventually got citizenship.
All the black tribes are not the same. Some are calm, easy to work with and others very quick on their 'high horses' and unpleasant to work with.
Can you blame the "hard to work with"tribe?
Parents need to learn how to get your child's attention without breaking their heart
Underrated comment!
Lots of kids have suffered similarly. I had my own SouthAfrican-like microcosm and at age 59 just starting to come to terms with it. CPTSD because of malicious dysfunctional environs throughout my childhood…and disappointed I was hamstrung from the start. It all stems from extremism, which is why many of us (and Elon) are humanists, desperate to see a better humanity.
Yes..he is such a humanitarian,he’s supplying all the brain chips to be used on the rest of humanity
He is just helping the FEW
I my god, this is so heartbreaking to hear 😢💔
Oh what an incredible man.
You are a champion warrior.
God bless you now and forever.
You are a good man.
Great insight. Thanks for sharing. Like his brother, Kimbal seems like a genuinely nice guy.
Omw...I'm from South Africa....where on earth did you guys hang out...????
I’d also like to know,some of their so called recollections sound a bit suspect to me.. I grew up there…
English schools must have been different than Afrikaans schools?
I went to a large Afrikaans school in Cape Town. It was a well known school with great Christian people. During my high school years there was one fight that I know of and I happened to be in it. LOL. I was the new kid in school.
Just me and another guy that tried to bully me and lots of spectators.
I won.
Jesus' love was the only way I could heal from childhood trauma and it took time and coupled with the right counseling. Praying for both of them❤
These brothers carry beautiful souls-!
🕊️💚🕊️👵🏽✌🏾
It's very sad to hear such a reality.
Their father was a horrible man. He should be in jail
Did you know him or have you heard his point of view?
LOL. His point of view on abusing his sons?? Maybe you should do some more research on his father. Google and law records are free. If you protect abusers just say that
@@Maetaaaaaa What are you on about? public records of abuse to his kids? Stop making things up. I cannot engage with a dishonest individual. Do not bother with a response except with an actual document.
Sounds like he had or has a personality disorder or schizophrenic. Definitely sounds like he has some lose screws to say the least.
And yet I've just watched an interview with Errol (Elon's dad) saying he's about to go for dinner with Elon and pretends like he knows nothing at all and has no clue what anyone is talking about. According to him, things with him and Elon have always been good. Make it make sense.
Very good interview
This is why Elon was attracted to crazy Amber Heard
Her physical looks are what attracted him, and notable others.
This aged well.. guess who she's with now.. Aquaman aka Jason mamoa
What's wrong w Jason's mamoas
brain
I don’t understand why he didn’t jump in to defend his brother. He said they kept hitting him. He just said he was in a trance. That was his explanation for not taking some action. I have been in similar situation and I stood up to the aggressor and stopped it.
If someone started beating my brother, nothing could stop me from protecting him (and I am a 56 year old female). Not now and not ever. I would rather be beat up or dead than alive or unharmed but knowing that I did not protect him. Not judging - do not know the whole story and was never in that situation - but saying.
yeah that's the trauma is living with...
You can see they have the same mannerisms as brothers.
south africa beautiful country but had some really evil people back in the days after 6pm you better be home if you love your life
You should see the hell hole it is now.
No one goes out at night. We lock ourselves in at sunset. Avoid driving on the highways at night. It's a hell hole
He doesn't intervene when his brother is being beaten to death?" You just stand there & watch?
4:18 omg that’s heartbreaking!! Poor Elon! 💔😭😭😭😭 I would have lost it if that were my son!
You couldn’t do anything but stand there when your brother was being attacked??? There is no processing of what is gong on. You either have the instinct to protect and help or you don’t . When I was a 10 year old girl in France, (dad was military) 3 guys jumped on my 14 year old brother and i instantly jumped on the back of one of them and started hitting him in the face and pulling his hair. He slung me off and I was right bak at it fighting all of them. Finally a Colonel came out and stopped it. I never even thought - I just saw my brother in trouble and jumped right in.
Not my experience at all. I grew up in apartheid SA and we kids felt much safer than South African kids do today! There was no violence between white population groups to speak of! We English kids didn't mix much with Afrikaners but they went to different schools. Life was free and fun in those days. These days, violence is common, mainly black on black.
I couldn't agree more. Really can't relate to his story. What white on white violence? Boys beating others at school, yes sure. Disgusting and terrible experience but had nothing to do with what was going on in the country.
Jenny, you said, "We English kids didn't mix much with Afrikaners but they went to different schools." Are most elementary schools, middle schools, and high schools in SA, English language schools? Are there Afrikaner language only schools anywhere in SA?
@@ChrisP-zj5jq yes we still have schools today. which are Afrikaans but we don't have separate middle schools. Grade 1 to 7 are called Primary schools and grade 8 to 12 are High Schools.
@@jennychurchill2716 So, are the English-speaking high schools fully racially integrated? How about Christian academies, or otherwise "private" high schools?
@@ChrisP-zj5jq ALL schools of whatever category in SA are fully racially integrated.
I grew up in South Africa in the eighties, an English kid in an Afrikaans town. I never saw or heard of "white-on-white" violence. I only heard of hatred two generations ago (my grandparents time) after the British put Afrikaner farmers in concentration camps.
Why is there overlook carpet on the walls?
That shit really did happen. I am from Germany and remember the reports on South Africa during the Apartheid 😑😑😑.
Main stream media paints a dark picture, dont believe them, I am South African forever.
Damn, today I got introduced to two people I want to know better: Kimbal Musk and Graham Bensinger. Hard to believe you're both new to me.