Shah Ni'matullah Wali & The Ni'matullahi Sufi Order
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2021
- In this video we talk about the great 14th-15th century saint Shah Ni'matullah Wali and the order that carries his name.
Sources/Further Reading:
Dahlén, Ashk (2001). "Sufismen i det moderna Iran". In Levande Sufism. Edited by David Westerlund.
Graham, Terry (1999) "Shah Ni'matullah Wali: Founder of the Ni'matullahi Sufi Order". In The Heritage of Sufism: Legacy of Medieval Persian Sufism (Volume 2). Edited by Leonard Lewisohn.
Herman, Denis & Mathieu Terrier (2020). "Shi'i Islam and Sufism: classical views and modern perspectives". I.B. Tauris.
Nurbakhsh, Javad (1980). "Masters of the Path: a history of the masters of the Nimatullahi sufi order". Khaniqahi-Nimatullahi Publications: New York.
Pourjavady, Nasrollah (?). "Shah Nematollah Vali: an Heir to Two Mystical Literary Traditions". Article.
Various (2002). "Celebrating a Sufi Master: A collection of works on the occasion of the First (& Second) international symposium on Shah Nematollah Vali". San Jose State University. Volumes 1 & 2.
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"no sultan is as lame as Tamerlane".
There is just something about a 5th grader burn delivered by an incredibly well learned philosopher that hits different
lol!
WE ALL NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THE AHLUL BAYT. ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO IMAM HOSSAIN AND LADY ZAINAB. MAY ALLAH REWARD THEM BOTH FOR THE SACRIFICES THEY MADE TO SAVE ISLAM FROM THE ALCOHOLIC SADISTIC TYRANT YAZID
The oldest diss track recorded😂😂
As a practicing Sufi in Ni'matullahi order, I'm really happy to see you covering all these amazing information about it on TH-cam, thank you so much, God bless you, peace and love from middle east
Always glad to hear positive reactions from people within the traditions I discuss!
Are you Shia?
@@zccau2316 Yes, But the Shia and Sunni relations are aspects of "Shari'ah" or Islamic religious law, But in Tarighah ( which is the practical spirituality in Islam ) they usually don't care about Shia-Sunni difference at all.
@@sephirothu1290 This is not true at all. Sufism aka Tasawuff has always been a sunni thing. There was no such thing as Sufism in Shia Islam until a much later period after copying the Sunnis. When the Safavids took over Iran and force converted the Sunni Majority to Shia Islam, the first thing they did was kill all the Sufis as they were all Sunni Muslims.
What you can argue now in terms of what Shia sufis do, is a type of cultural appropriation of something that always has been Sunni.
@@zccau2316 Tasawwuf is the inner dimensions of Islam, existed since the beginning. years before the creation of Sunni-Shia denominations. I've visited many different Sufi orders in my life , none of the masters or sufis had such a view on mysticism, seeing it as the invention of Sunni or Shia muslims, or even caring about who copied the Tariqah from where. all they do is serving god and all beings, dedicating themselves to inner practices, and etc.
they don't care about the Shia-Sunni thing, historians do.
Kings and politician did too.
Please do a video on Mullah Sadra and the School of Isphahan.
Getting there! ;)
@@LetsTalkReligion Look by now Mulla Sadr is the most requested
Yes please
He influence was immense
He's Soren Kierkegaard of Islam, before Kierkegaard was even born
A proto-existentialist Philosopher ahead of Existentialism in Europe, he's also like the more Shi'a iteration of Al Ghazali 5 centuries later
Thank you for all the good work you're doing on this channel. 🙏💗
I was in Mahan in 2014 and was lucky to go to the Shah Nematollah mosque. I was even luckier to see his "meditation room" which is apparently not open to tourists. That place is forever etched in my memory!
And if anyone reading this is planning a trip to Iran, do consider including Kerman (and Mahan, and the Kalouts of Shahdad) in your plans. Won't regret it! 😉
WE ALL NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THE AHLUL BAYT. ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO IMAM HOSSAIN AND LADY ZAINAB. MAY ALLAH REWARD THEM BOTH FOR THE SACRIFICES THEY MADE TO SAVE ISLAM FROM THE ALCOHOLIC SADISTIC TYRANT YAZID
“I’ve seen many a king in this world, but
There is no sultan as lame as Timurlane.”
- Shah Ni’matullah Wali
Found you a month ago. Already became an admirer of you. Im also a very enthusiastic reader of the history of religions especially Islam. Keep reading keep researching and keep spreading knowledge. Thank you brother. Love from India.
WE ALL NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THE AHLUL BAYT. ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO IMAM HOSSAIN AND LADY ZAINAB. MAY ALLAH REWARD THEM BOTH FOR THE SACRIFICES THEY MADE TO SAVE ISLAM FROM THE ALCOHOLIC SADISTIC TYRANT YAZID
Great video as always my friend!!!!!!! You should do a video on sufism in timbuktu. How it arrived and it's golden age there. Just bc i feel like timbuktu is definitely the most forgotten or least talked about Islamic Golden age societies. Peace
Good idea!
@@LetsTalkReligion Concerning West Africa. I‘ve been in Burkina Faso in the beginning of last year and met Sufis belonging to Ançar Dine: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chérif_Ousmane_Madani_Haïdara
However, there is not much information around, have you ever heard of them?
To deep down into the history of such philosophy and explain all in short time, All i can say Thankyou very much
Wonderful and very insightful video as always, really like these lil nuggets of history you present us with!
Thanks for the hard work for us, giving a nice video
Wow! I feel oddly touched by your presentation here! I love your videos and I was surprised to see this show up on my feed. I am a darvish initiate of the Nimatullahi tariqah and never expected to see anything about our founder and masters in this series. Alhamdulillah! While I'm familiar with most of what you're saying here, your presentation brought perspective and context to it. Excellent work! There might be one little thing that I found oddly off. My experience has been that music does, indeed, play a very important role in our gatherings. Sema is practically a sacrament and the music is unique and amazing. Dr. Nurbakhsh gave us very formal guidelines for our conduct when engaged in Sema. This might be particular to the khanighas of America or something like that, but its been a major feature of our ritual gatherings in my personal experience. That said, I wouldn't expect anyone who hasn't participated in our orders gatherings to be familiar with this, so the oversight is understandable. Again, wonderful job! I'm a fan of your work! Ya Haqq!
Are you sunni or shia and do you have a video about How Your tariqa does dhikr
WE ALL NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THE AHLUL BAYT. ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO IMAM HOSSAIN AND LADY ZAINAB. MAY ALLAH REWARD THEM BOTH FOR THE SACRIFICES THEY MADE TO SAVE ISLAM FROM THE ALCOHOLIC SADISTIC TYRANT YAZID
I urge u to learn about karbala
i love your videos..you always explain complicated things to make easy to understand..thank you with love from algeria💪🏽😍❤️🇩🇿
Thank you for making and sharing this. It is informative and especially interesting in the panentheistic basis of this order. .
Every day you upload is a happy day for me!
I can't thank you enough for this magnificent presentation. SO well made
When you go to sufisim and higher spiritual states , it doesn't matter that you are shitte or sunni or christian ..because the only thing is matter in that state is God , the one ....
Then these kinds of question about the nature of religion is meaningless basically ..
After all.. bro .. you are doing a great job specially in this materialistic world that the only thing that matter is show off not a journey within ...
Thanks for your useful information
"The Sufi is hanging onto the holy Prophet Muhammad e Mustafa (SAAWS), like Abu Bakr (R)"
Rumi
@@xtremeownage2 "Molana" or as westerners falsely call "Rumi" was Persian but a Sunni Muslim. Anyways definitely Abu-Bakr is never insulted by Shia Sufis.
This is absolutely false. There is no tasawwuf without Islam, never was. If you take Islam out of the tasawwuf ecquation, you would end up with "something like" stoicism. Stuff like this, uttered mostly by people who know tasawwuf by books or a sheikh without an ijasat, gives tasawwuf a bad rep. There is a concept within tasawwuf which is called "dissolvment of Islam" though - which needs an explenation: an object/thing/concept gets only humanly knowledgable by contrasting it with it's opposit. Now you got two objects, lets call them X and not-X. This is the stage were things begin to be given names, in order to distinguish them. Now if you use the word "Islam" or "deen ul Islam/religion of Islam" you imply that there must be something that is not Islam, or a different religion. This is not possible. Since there is only one God, there is also only one way to serve him (Islam). To keep it short, if you would ask certain Sufi saints which religion they adhere to, they might give an answer such as "I'm a human being". Tasawwuf without islam is fraud.
not true, u r just whitewashed
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I don't know if you realize it, you're teaching muslims a lot about their religion. Things they themselves didn't know
As long as I don't replace actual Islamic scholars for guidance on living as a Muslim, I am happy to provide knowledge and information!
@@LetsTalkReligion Yeah I’m learning so much from this channel. A lot of stuff I have never even heard of, even when I was learning about Islam in the mosque as a kid :)
That’s a general statement as if all Muslims are ignorant of these matters which is woefully untrue.
@@nskeow make sense, your Mosque school was not designed or equipped to deal with wide ranging studies. This is why there are Universities, you can’t be expected to learn University levels of education in Primary school, or do they teach Primary school education in Nursery.
Stop sounding so foolish....
Brother Hasan, this is not a substitute for authentic Islamic scholarship. This is just what it appears to be, a Westerner fascinated with Islam, trying his best to convey information about our religion from a semi-outside perspective. We can use it to further our own understanding of our particular tariqat and approach relations with other sects from a position of knowledge. No one is suggesting we do away with Deoband, Mecca Madina, Najaf, Qom, Al Azhar or Deoband. These are the main centres of Islamic learning. How can our friend here replace them? He is smart enough to know he can never replace them bi Ibnillah.
I just read Milad Milani's "Sufism in the Secret History of Persia" and the Ni'matullahi Sufi Order played a leading role. I really recommend this book not only to understand Sufism better, but to understand spiritual thinking in Iran generally and its deep roots in Persian history.
Great video as usual! I hope to see a chisti tariqa video soon
Love your work
Keep up. Learned a lot.
Insightful as usual. Great work.
Love form Iran ❤️
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Very good explanation...Your tone of voice and speed with which you speak is understandable by all.
Well done!
You are very knowledgeable and have taken pains in your research.
Thanks
I enjoy your videos very much. Your research and passion is very obvious.
Its very interesting to me that there is a common pattern to beliefs in all religions and sects
Thank you for the video. It definitely increased my knowledge about the Ni'matullahi order about which I new very little. I contacted you once over face book to make rather a kind of comparative video about Gnosticism/ Gnostic Christianity and Islam in general and especially within Sufism. Like what are similarities and what are the differences. Because I think there are a lot of Gnostic elements within Islamic Esotericism. And I'm glad that you are going to make a video about Bektashi Order and Alevism, but please point out the differences here because many people think its the same thing but it is not so.
Yes, those are all subjects I hope to cover!
Really enjoyed that heard about one of my masters but I expected you to mention his prediction too... anyway, thanks a million.
Whatever ur reliogion may be ur approach is excellent ,ethical, well mannered ,clear, understandable.
I've been there in Mahan. beautiful place! As many pilgrims as tourists being present there, was surprising to me.
Would love to visit some day
@@LetsTalkReligion me too. seems like a life time ago. and I can't go back there. pigs have taken over the farm.
you shared an urdu translation of his work....he is equally revered by sunnis and shias of pakistan...thanks
If he dissed Tamerlane, and survived, then it means this guy did have something special about him.
Right!?
I don't get Timur. He seems quite pious and yet so genocidal.
@@ihsankamil6279 that's actually normal, and has been for most of human history. The more pious or religious you are, usually the more violent as well.
@@ihsankamil6279 Timur was genocidal But He didn't like to talk about violent things, He used to admire Changiz Khan and Used follow Him as a military leader and at same time very religious.
@@kuroazrem5376 Timur used to respect Scholars and philosophers
Thank you, that was very interesting. Appreciate your good work.
That's quite interesting. I'm surprised I never heard of him before 🥺 I like to mirror his kindness to animals
I think everyone should!
Loved, loved, loved it! Thank you 🌹
One of the most spritually pleasing places that I have been to is the tomb of Shah nematollah Vali in the city of Mahan. There was a grand Sufi master called Ayatollah Sa'edi in Mashad, where I used to live. He was a nice man with nice folllowers. May he rest in peace
Not sure why this one was unlisted and has so few views ...
Keep up the fantastic work; Amazing diverse channel for non partisan comparative religion (especially paired with esoterica). Ni'amtullahi unity of being feels similar to thunder perfect mind.
Such a great work!
Love and support, by Nura KC Nigeria 🇳🇬
Your channel sir enlighten us Muslims that there's so much Islamic views and great Philosopher outside our standard Islamic Jurispudence and Fiqh,.....
Salute!!!
research as brilliant as always!
Loved it great video.
great video brother.
Nice video as always!!!
Hi there, thanks for this informative video.
Thanks for watching it!
@@LetsTalkReligion My pleasure. Such a good and productive channel you have..
I come from a country in which we only have and practice suni shaafi’i teaching so all these is new to me
جزاك الله خيرا
Love your videos
Would like it if you would consider making a video on Noorbakshi order as well
This is quite brilliant!
Great video!
I'd love to see you do a video on the Bektashi's.
Very very interesting channel, learning more about Islam ❤️👍👍
Sufism is not really Islam. There are so many branches and many innovations that contradicts the sunnah of prophet Muhammad SAW.
Great channel. Great job. Please could you make a video about Shorawari and illumination school. It's not a easy goal.
Good show, mate!
Excellent, thanks.
Always look forward to your uploads. Can you by any chance do a video on Sir Allama Muhammad Iqbal?
I definitely will!
Great video,really enjoyed it! You mentioned Tamerlane,in this video,some say he was one the most powerful Naqshbandi masters,and others considered him as tyrant, it would be great if you would make some video about him!Thanks!!!
Most of his political advisors were Naqshbandis, so there is definitely a connection!
@@LetsTalkReligion you right definitely there’s connection, if I’m not making mistake,his spiritual mentor,was sayyid Baraka, one of Naqlshbandi Tariqat
masters.Anyways looking forward for more of your videos greatly appreciate it!!!
Fantastic video
Awesome video. Do you consider doing a video on the relationship between Shia Islam and Sufism? Seems to be an important area for research.
You are doing great.
Thank you sooo much
Just waiting your Instagram Profile for this channel. I really appreciate your job here!
Fantastic video, as always! Would you consider doing a video on the chishti order in the future?
as a shia muslim i didnt know shias had sufi silsila.....in Pakistan we shias and sunni respect all sufi saints.....most of sufi saints were syeds (decendants of ahlul bait a.s).
we consider them neither sunni or shia, sufis saints are considered saints by both shias and sunnis.
There are no pure Shia Silsilas. Whether Safaviyya, Nimatullahiyya or Bektashiyya, they all are connected to Sunni Awliya. They essentially have gone astray by later generations by adopting Shia beliefs. All true Sufi orders originate within Sunnis. All Silsilas have Sunni Awliya. The pure Silsilas today are Sunni.
@@xtremeownage2 it is not a Shia silsila per se. As a Bangladeshi Sunni muslim living in Sydney, I was initiated as a member of this tariwat in 2013. They never tried to impose Shia doctrine on me.
@@xtremeownage2 It is the other way around, there are no pure Sunni Sufi Orders, because all Sufi Orders originate from the Family of the Prophet, from the Infallible Imams. In essence, true Shi’ism and true Sufism are one and the same, the offspring of Imam Ali (as). It is no wonder that many scholars have begun to discover the Shi’i thoughts expressed in the writings of the greatest “Sunni” Sufi saints, such as Ibn Arabi and Rumi, who are in reality crypto-Shi’ites.
“In the circle of existence,
the source of life Is Ali
In both the worlds,
the pursuit and goal Is Ali
Had it not ruined the quarter of Faith
I would have openly revealed,
The One worshiped by all Is Ali.”
- Rumi (Shams-i Trabrizi, Quatrain.304)
@@augustuscaesar7491 Correct
Lover and Beloved,
Desire and Desired,
Seeker and Sought,
are one;
So beautiful and liberating!
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Can you please also do a video on shams tabreiz and rumi.
I love watching your detail videoa..jazakAllah❤
MashaAllah just discovered this channel and it's amazing.
Have you covered West African Tarikas? That would be amazing.
Thank you 🤲🏽
Tq for the information on shah nimatullah . Appreciate if you can talk more on imam ghazalli.
Indonesian here. Enjoy your video on Sufism so much!
Please do take a look at Sufism in Indonesia. You can start with the story of Wali Sanga (The Nine Saints) & Syekh Siti Djenar. To put it simply, Siti Djenar is a rogue sufi saint that confronts the more conservative Wali Sanga. Wali Sanga tried to put down Siti Djenar because his teaching is deemed to be "too iconoclastic & borderline heresy", sometimes Siti Djenar is compared to Al-Hallaj.
In the end, one of the Wali Sanga managed to kill Siti Djenar, but no one really knows of how Siti Djenar really died. Some said he attained "Moksha" so no one can find his body, other said his dead body bloomed into beautiful & fragrant flowers, some said lights as bright as sun emanates from his body when his followers tried to bury him. Yes so many version!
It's just a single story from the Island of Java and there's a lot more sufi figures from other islands of Indonesia. Like, Hamzah Fansuri & Syekh Abdurrauf Sinkili from Sumatra, and more
I recommend Geertz's "Religion of Java", Woodward "Java, Indonesia, and Islam" & Munir Mulkhan "Syekh Siti Jenar" (only avb. In Bahasa Indonesia).
Again, thank you so much!
went to Indonesia 1990...all wome dressed in beautiful traditional clothings...no I see them wearing this Arab fashion and looking stupid...such a pity to trade their own cultural heritage to something..so why are they not content with their own Sufism?
I love your videos! Would you be willing to make a video about Sufism and ganja? I've noticed that in Pakistan smoking is very common at Sufi shrines, which I find super interesting
This video came handy for me.
Thank you from Bangladesh
Would you please cover Rumi on ur videos?
Thanks!
You did not mention about his predictions, was it intentional ?
100s of people in history throw random stuff out and its bound too come true or pushed too fit..
My great great grandfather on my mother's side was a Sufi master. he was known as taooso urafa. thanks for your work.
Thank you 🙏
Great video! Just wanted to point out one thing. I know the pictures used are not accurate in representing the video but lots of the snapshots of poetry were urdu rather Persian. It's not a big deal at all. Just thought I might point it out! Great work over all loving the channel!
Watching all your talks, your very clear, if not always accurate. I watched your video on Naqshbandi, it was a lot different to my experience as a once practicing Naqshbandi, I actually felt that it was not as orthodox as some other very rigid interpretations, but that's my only criticism of the video. I never got too involved because I don't agree with the worship of Sheikhs, never the less the multi-racial group of Dervishes I met in the tariqah where some of the most sincere, humble, open, kind, friendly, generous, and loving people I have encountered on average, and I have dwelt with several tariqahs, since the mid 1970's. Anyway no big thing, keep up the good work dude. JZK.
If im not wrong i understand what you looking for ! I requmend you study shah naimatullahi order . This for all religions all race all gander and for all colours as well and not boundaries like other order have .
I look forward to your introduction/session on the Bekdashi order. I once heard it's origin is in the Balkan and that one of the Egyptian prince who declined the throne around the first world war followed the same order yet I'm not sure what characterizes Bekdashi order from others?
Thanks bro 💚
My mother is from the lineage of Syed Shah Niamatullah Hussaini. When his son Syed Shah Khalillulah Hussaini migrated to Bidar, India (Deccan) as per the request of Bahaman Shah (Bahamani Order). His lineage is still lives in India and mostly are practicing Sunnis.
So Ni'matullah Sufi order in India still Sunni?
@@marjanmerah3495 no such order remains at this point of time because there is heavy influence of Chishti Sufi order on Sunnis in India which is mostly orthodox sufi order.
With lots of love & appreciation for the valuable information of sufisum & all other religions. From INDIA
I was shocked to know about they moved in Deccan. I am from Dhaka
Thank you for educating us on this saint. He was indeed correct to tell his followers to take up a profession. Islam does not encourage ascetic practices.
its not islam
Beautiful
Just came across your channel, and I'd like to say thank you for being so calm reguarding a topic that is submit in those days to sometimes verry vivid debates. As someone who is interested in religions since just a few years, (especialy oriental/arabic/catholic/orthodox christianity), I would like to ask If you have come across René Girards theorys about mimetic desire, and if, how is he reguarded by today-scholars? (Here in france he is certainly know)
Thank you :)
Thank you
thank you for the videos.
I'd be glad to see a video about the holy texts of Islam, speacially the hadith
Thanks! Those subjects do come up, but I also want to leave much of that kind of discussion to Islamic scholars. It depends on the angle, but a lot of the time I don't feel like I, as an outsider, have that much to say about it.
@@LetsTalkReligion I see, but I was just thinking about a more general overview, like how they are viewed by different sects, how they end up being considered authoritative or not, not a in depth discussion.
@@LetsTalkReligion I really enjoy learning about religions in my spare time, i am trying to enter a university here in brazil and have to study a lot to tests, but it's nice to relax and watch some concise videos about religion here on youtube. I started watching Bart Ehrman and later Religion for Breakfeast and this year I found your channel, great work! Now I don't earn money so I can't donate anything, but I hope I'll be able to do that in the future. Since you replied I thought I should give you this feedback, thank you again!
@@LetsTalkReligion
Slmz thank you for you time and efforts.Very respectful quality of a sufi lol
the death of tabandeh was so sad , he died like a hero , I was waiting for him to give up since our govenment buys everyone but this person was honestly following his belief
thank you
Thanks
I'm from Kerman, and you thought me more about him today than I l'd ever learnt living literally 30 minutes away from his tomb.
Could you please consider making a video about the Sadiye Order.
I found your chanel a few days ago, and I love it. Keep up the good work mate.
Just one question. Would thee consider on making a video about the Hurufiyya order of sufism and the poet Sayyid Nasimi?
Their beliefs in terms of letters and numbers, which is similar to the kabbalistic gematria I think, is quite interesting. I'm not sure if thou canst find proper sources tho.
Great presentation. The Chishti order is much less understood today. Perhaps it might be worth covering that too?
Nice & very informative video! BTW, did you heard about the Qaseeda-e-Naimat Ullah Shah Wali about the end time predictions. I'm requesting you to make a video on that topic. Thanks in advance. May The Almighty bless you & give you hidayah.
Timur is a strange character to me I read an account of his campaigns and life, he seems to have had one part of his soul in the brutal old mongol nomad culture, and the other his father entrenched in the acknowledgement of the Divine.. And he seems to pay tribute to both sides with equal intensity lol
Interesting hearing an Arabic pronunciation of Persian terms and names :)
I've recently discovered this channel and am very impressed with the content and a big part of that is the effort you put into pronouncing the words correctly. Well done young man, one thing has been bothering me about this video though, when you say "shi'i" it really puts me off. I've never heard this word before but could easily infer it's meaning, I wonder though why you use that term instead of "shi'ite"?
This reminds me alot of haji bektas veli and bektashism today. Still waiting for a video on that subject btw..
Tack! Jätte bra video. Jag följer Naqshbandi tariqa. 💐🙏