Hi so I have a lovells GVM GCM upgrade and I need a axle load up grade to 3 tonnes so this is achievable with out having to do another GVM GCM ugrade only have Diff housing engineered. Thanks
Can someone explain technically why a GVM is inclusive of wheel and tyre weight? From my thinking is that the Axles sit on the wheel/tyres (and hence why you need to ensure the combo can carry weight of Max Axle load) and yet when the vehicle is weighed for GVM it is as if the Wheels/Tyres are considered load onto the Axle.
If the chassis stays the same, isn't the basic engineering the same? Will manufacturers stand by their warranty if the drivetrain or engine is affected by extra weight over those specified by the manufacturer? I purchased an Isuzu Ute 2nd hand with a GVM upgrade but the local dealer said is street legal but not covered by remainder of warranty because the Ute is not designed for extra weight irrespective of the shocks and springs being upgraded??
We are not able to upgrade the D-Max at this stage so cannot offer advice on this however we can confidently show how the chassis in a 200 is designed for the weight we have engineered it at. The 79 series GVM requires chassis bracing at 4499kg however the 200 series is far stronger so requires a differential bracing upgrade.
If the Gross combined is not passed they claiming a gear box cant Handle the weight as is in the car and not being towing would be hard claim... The weight is the same. They could claim suspension was effected at most, then chassis too. But saying that like any manufacturer or insurance company they will try anything to void a claim. Look in the warranty to see if GVM upgrade is covered or not.
G.V.C.M. Can not be changed. If you increase your G.V.M and use that capacity will have to be deducted off the trailer. You cannot increase your vehicle's total G.V.C.M.
Hi just wondering what size rims and tyres are? Do you know the rim offset? Is it still legally compliant with those wheels? I’ve had a gvm upgrade on my 200 and been told I can’t put wheels on it as it will be over the legal height and wheel track etc?
Hi Guys, interesting subject. Got some questions answered by your vid. But also got a question for you. Rear axle upgrade to 3 tons, but no coils, instead rear full air suspension with airbagmen system ? And which shocks best. Please have your say on this since allot of LC200 out there towing and if going solo not having 250kg on the ball the springs are overrated and bock hard what sucks to drive.. appreciate your reply. Cheers
Hi Holter, 60mm or 2.5” shocks are the best from our experience, we use and recommend Dobinsons MRA in our test vehicle. We don’t have an option for full air only at this GVM sorry, it will need springs still. The springs in our setup ride great because the airbag is designed to be inflated up to 60psi when required.
Agree with Adam Kisnorbo. Definitely want to know the specs around GCM. Is it a stamped GCM or a theoretical GCM. If you can maintain 3.5T towing with a 4495 upgrade, for example, how is this legal? I’m not having a go, genuinely interested. Cheers
You bend that chassis and no one is going to want to touch you!! Insurance out the window, and Toyota will throw you under the bus! The platform has a set GVM for a reason! The GVM upgrade ADRs are met, BUT!!…. Just watch what happens when the worst scenario happens!!… the silence from the manufacturers and insurance will be deafening!!
That's why we only offer the utmost quality modifications. And, to achieve these, we engineer custom components and undergo a plethora of certifications by DMW and the government as well as numerous vehicle tests.
It's great to hear that the gvm is federal approved especially post rego. Be able to own a great truck with the correct gvm anywhere.
Hi so I have a lovells GVM GCM upgrade and I need a axle load up grade to 3 tonnes so this is achievable with out having to do another GVM GCM ugrade only have Diff housing engineered.
Thanks
You didn’t touch on the towing capacity after gvm, that would be the biggest debate on any gvm upgrade.
We will be doing more videos in the future :)
Only because people assume it boosts the gross combined mass. But that only can be change on new pre rego car.
@@ausguy4385 not in qld
@@adamkisnorbo4374 pointless if can go interstate
@@ausguy4385pointless if you SELL interstate
Can someone explain technically why a GVM is inclusive of wheel and tyre weight? From my thinking is that the Axles sit on the wheel/tyres (and hence why you need to ensure the combo can carry weight of Max Axle load) and yet when the vehicle is weighed for GVM it is as if the Wheels/Tyres are considered load onto the Axle.
Do the chassis get strengthened as part of the gvm? I would imagine unless that could also handle the extra weight that that would void warranty?
Yes and other custom components are engineered to reinforce the vehicle along with other upgrades for the suspension, brakes, etc.
your warranty is voided the minute you mention GVM mate--- the same as getting insurance--- it triples
Some really good info there boys. Cheers Steve
Thanks Steve!
If the chassis stays the same, isn't the basic engineering the same? Will manufacturers stand by their warranty if the drivetrain or engine is affected by extra weight over those specified by the manufacturer? I purchased an Isuzu Ute 2nd hand with a GVM upgrade but the local dealer said is street legal but not covered by remainder of warranty because the Ute is not designed for extra weight irrespective of the shocks and springs being upgraded??
We are not able to upgrade the D-Max at this stage so cannot offer advice on this however we can confidently show how the chassis in a 200 is designed for the weight we have engineered it at. The 79 series GVM requires chassis bracing at 4499kg however the 200 series is far stronger so requires a differential bracing upgrade.
If the Gross combined is not passed they claiming a gear box cant Handle the weight as is in the car and not being towing would be hard claim...
The weight is the same. They could claim suspension was effected at most, then chassis too.
But saying that like any manufacturer or insurance company they will try anything to void a claim.
Look in the warranty to see if GVM upgrade is covered or not.
I'm struggling to find a GVM upgrade kit for a 1993 75 series LandCruiser to become legal.
Everything is for the new vehicle market.
G.V.C.M. Can not be changed. If you increase your G.V.M and use that capacity will have to be deducted off the trailer. You cannot increase your vehicle's total G.V.C.M.
I think you mean GCM? It's now possible. Lovells do a GCM upgrade as part of a GVM upgrade.
Hi just wondering what size rims and tyres are? Do you know the rim offset? Is it still legally compliant with those wheels? I’ve had a gvm upgrade on my 200 and been told I can’t put wheels on it as it will be over the legal height and wheel track etc?
It would be best to speak with our sales team @Tassiedave . They'll be able to explain the details with you. Cheers!
Great info, well said fellas!
Cheers Todd!
What is your recommended rear load that you build in, using this vehicle as an example?
We have a variety of spring setups and shock options available to meet the customers unique needs.
Hi Guys, interesting subject. Got some questions answered by your vid. But also got a question for you. Rear axle upgrade to 3 tons, but no coils, instead rear full air suspension with airbagmen system ? And which shocks best. Please have your say on this since allot of LC200 out there towing and if going solo not having 250kg on the ball the springs are overrated and bock hard what sucks to drive.. appreciate your reply. Cheers
Hi Holter,
60mm or 2.5” shocks are the best from our experience, we use and recommend Dobinsons MRA in our test vehicle. We don’t have an option for full air only at this GVM sorry, it will need springs still. The springs in our setup ride great because the airbag is designed to be inflated up to 60psi when required.
@@dirtymuddyweekends thanks for your quick reply. Cheers
Agree with Adam Kisnorbo. Definitely want to know the specs around GCM. Is it a stamped GCM or a theoretical GCM. If you can maintain 3.5T towing with a 4495 upgrade, for example, how is this legal?
I’m not having a go, genuinely interested.
Cheers
Hi Dan,
Happy to explain in detail, email me your best number - luke@dmwindustries.com.au
You bend that chassis and no one is going to want to touch you!! Insurance out the window, and Toyota will throw you under the bus! The platform has a set GVM for a reason! The GVM upgrade ADRs are met, BUT!!…. Just watch what happens when the worst scenario happens!!… the silence from the manufacturers and insurance will be deafening!!
That's why we only offer the utmost quality modifications. And, to achieve these, we engineer custom components and undergo a plethora of certifications by DMW and the government as well as numerous vehicle tests.
If the rear axle load is 1600kgs before the upgrade, what is it after a gvm upgrade...?
1600kgs--- they do nothing but take your money
Can you do it with all round airbag suspension like the “Mr Airbagman intelliride ECAS system”?
Sorry Dale this product was not used as part of our GVM testing so is not available as an option but Airbagman airbags are in every gvm we do
Thank fuck for some clarity
no gvm upgrade on earth changes your factory axle weights-- they are all a wank