Thank you so much for sharing all your insight in the journey to find our families. I am 70 y.o., was adopted at birth, and have just made a HUGE breakthrough toward my father's identity. At my age, the likelihood of finding an indisputable conclusion is slim. So, thank you again.
I was adopted, and I'm trying to find my family on Ancestry right now. I just got a really good lead on at least the family of my mother, even if I'm not sure of her identity still. My father's side has a lot of matches, but It's been hard to piece together. Thanks for the video anyway.
Hey Larry, I just watched a number of your videos. Thank you for posting. Like you, I'm having trouble identifying my biological paternal grandfather and following his family line. Here's the real issue, people won't talk. I do have a very detailed family tree on my paternal line spelled out, but I can't pinpoint who the male might be. Help, please. Whatever assistance you can offer, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm willing to share my DNA, as well as my family tree. I need closure. Thanks in advance.
Typically, You can determine to the grandparent level without any outside communication. If there are multiple children of the same gender then communication will be required to hone in on that node. In the case of my mother, I got to her grandparents quickly and there were two brothers. I found people who tested under one brother to eliminate that side so in her case no communication was required to locate her biological father. Currently i have about a dozen I am helping, 5 are awaiting communication in order to close out their journey because there is no other way (as you mentioned). 7 of them are in the final stages of meeting their families and I will soon have opportunity to help some more folks (we didn't need any additional communication to locate them, just the DNA match list and some work) If you have a search going, i can help you get to the grandparents typically in short order (if in the USA - If outside the USA and the highest CMS you have is 50 like in one persons case I am helping, then the task is much more difficult but we can get there)
And that you have DNA matches with a high amount of centimorgans in common. 😕 I'm struggling to find out my maternal grandfather and the highest centimorgans in common is 100 or so. From a family that had several generations with 10+ kids 😲
Great video as usual. I too am looking for a grandfather but I had no information expect a 1-2nd cousin to my mum and a 3-4 cousin. Both have trees and I was able to connect the two of them in their trees. I think I have found a potential candidate, but every few days I second guess my potential connection to these matches. As this man has “no known children “ , I am reluctant to approach the matches, I keep watching videos for more ideas about how to prove my theory.
lets see if i understand correctly. You merged trees of some matches and measured the CMS to where they would fit. Your grandfather had several children. One of which was male who had no known children and you believe this person is your father. You match to cousins (children of this mans siblings). Where there any other male children from your grandfather? If not, then your pretty much done figuring it out. If there were more sons, then you would need to have matches underneath others (or same as you) to conclude with certainty. If there are others, are the DNA tests for those descendants? if so, then you know your not under those or youd be a half sibling match. Sounds like your very close, feel free to email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and i can help you with this offline to see if you already have the proof or where you need to still verify. One thing sounds sure, you have the grandparents. Might approach family members showing that proof and ask for help in determining who your father is. they will very likely help to disprove you or to help you prove, either way though, you get some form of cooperation that helps you through the final steps and having them be a part of that process goes a LONG ways to their acceptance after the facts are shown.
DNA Family Trees Hi thanks for the reply. You pretty much have it. It is my mother’s DNA matches, so they even closer. I really appreciate the offer to help. I will email you as suggested.
Thanks, Larry for this explanation! It is very helpful. How to use the dna painter was also useful. I've also enjoyed several others of your videos. Keep up the good work!
Very informative video! I am researching for birth father for my grandmother. This will be helpful. I also have DNA matches that don't fit in anywhere on my tree. But I can see through multiple Shared Matches they are related to a specific grandparent. Hypothesis? Thinking they're possible descendants from illegitimate children from the late 1800s to early 1900s.
This is a good video, but I'd sure like to see you redo it with a 2C1R who won't respond and everyone else is 4C or further. I keep praying for a hit higher than 500cM... just one.
have you uploaded to FTDNA and MyHeritage? Sometimes the shock is to find there's a closer match on another platform. Otherwise, I know it would be tough because my wife's matches are all distant.
I also have a 2C1R - & a carload of 3C: not hard to identify the family (of 13 kids) - I'm looking for my grandmothe's father: no "significant" bumps in cMs to guide me ; - all their ancestors have descendants hovering around to point the way. Doesn't help that Gram's maternal grandfather seems to have no ancestors or relatives- no matter how I spell his name. I'm with you: looking for the Right Person to be tested. Fingers crossed for both of us!
Great videos I have been trying to help a cousin I met on Ancestry find her birth family, Well she found her mom and she doesn't want to have any part of her life but also will not tell her who her birth farther is (maybe she dont know due to something bad) We have narrowed it down to 1 family but her strongest match is 588 cms
Hi Larry, how do you suggest someone go about finding a biological parent when they don't have high matches as shown in your video? I'm an adoptee and my top match on Ancestry is 80 yrs old only shares 376 cM with me. On FTDNA the person if still alive would have been 100 yrs old and shared 440 cM with me and was a 1C1R to the person on Ancestry. Both come from families with pedigree collapse on both sides. My mother's side doesn't appear to connect to my father's line thankfully as we're from two different countries. So are you able to make suggestions on how I can figure out who my father might be?
About to be 25 just got my results a month ago and was in shock to find out I’m half Salvadorian because my dad did not look Hispanic and I had a feeling that I was , told my mom I going to test him and got him to do it turns out he’s not my bio dad she says she doesn’t know and couldn’t give me a name I reached out to some 3rd cousins because not many people in close relation have taken tests I feel hopeless
First things first, my apologies for the 12 day delay on response. I missed this and its exactly why this channel exists, to help people in your position! please email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and I will assist you! I KNOW how it feels to get that surprise and i know how your feeling! I wil do my b est to get you answers as quickly as possible and get you on right path to finding out who your father is!
Hi Larry my friend was adopted in the early 60s and have no clue to who his biological parents are. He was told the only way to get that information is to hire an investigator. I found your video which has given me hope for him. Can you please tell me how to get started with this DNA tree where do you go for this😊
There is an "old" video set, starting with Clustering, dirty trees, sourcing and triangulation (each of them have links to the others) That is the BEST. You will need to watch the centimorgans video withthe ruler on it ifyour not familiar with CMS. Then this year i did a cluster updated video where it shows that and also has these 4 and 4 more videos at are useful. Lastly there is a video in channel where i go "step by step" to help a 74yr old woman find her biological father. It shows step by step but goes fast as it uses what is in the prior videos but it is even better than this video by a great deal as this is an older one. Ill look up links and post them here. 0 - Centimorgans (if not already understood) th-cam.com/video/HhTRJzYX9Ac/w-d-xo.html 1 - Clustering: th-cam.com/video/UBh9X4qi7Xw/w-d-xo.html 2 - Putting Tree Together: th-cam.com/video/M-UIrG4vNX0/w-d-xo.html 3 - Sourcing: th-cam.com/video/7Dt2AGLG5zQ/w-d-xo.html 4 - Triangulation: th-cam.com/video/q3vSasZ2WYo/w-d-xo.html What are the Odds? (WATO link) 5 - th-cam.com/video/7e5AJ2Ezbes/w-d-xo.html Link to Video on Advance Ancestry.com Search methods 6 - th-cam.com/video/V22Hp9a3ZDI/w-d-xo.html Ball and Pattern and Plus 1 video links: 7 - th-cam.com/video/AO110DwLcZw/w-d-xo.html 8 - th-cam.com/video/za8dgk6np_g/w-d-xo.html NEW Step by Step Video: 9 -th-cam.com/video/laEl3xaVywo/w-d-xo.html if you watch all of these, you will be prepared sufficiently to find the bio family with DNA results. Also you can upload to MyHeritage for free (and get the 1/2 price "UploadLarry" discount through Christmas which unlocks auto clustering and chromosome browser if you dont get it from the above on ancestry. FTDNA also allows free upload of DNA which combined gives 3 places with one set of DNA data. Good Luck and if you need help, Email me at DNAFamilyTrees@gmail.com . If you get stuck or have question i can answer directly
Thank you so much Larry for your quick response i greatly appreciate it. I will watch all the videos you suggested. If i get stuck. I will most definitely reach out to you. Im so excited that i found your video. My friend is almost 60 yrs old and wanna know where his family is. Thanks again Larry God Bless you for your videos💖😘😊
did you get the answers? if not i created a playlist that has the important videos in order "finding your bio family" if that doenst get you the answers, still, email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com
Hello Great video! Happy for you finding your biological family. Basically have no info or name of my dad's father he never knew him. Have a couple 2nd cousins 220s cm and a few 3rd cousins dna matches. 1 of the 2nd cousins and a 3rd cousin link back to a certain couple in there trees in leaning towards that couple. Am I going in the right direction? My dad says that he could have been kinda a well known person in the sugar industry in Maui.
Sounds like you are! There is a video following up on color coding, i would do that and identify ALL of that side of the family. Then look at all of those with trees and see if first pass you spot some duplicated names and marriages. Usually you can find a few that have the same people married but different kids. That is very often the MRCA for you and that person. (most recent common ancestor). I would build the tree up one node from there and down as much as you can find online through searches. since 1940 records online you can typically get pretty close. Then overlay your matches into that tree you built. There will come a point they all triangulate to you with the CMS (see centimorgan video). With that information almost every time you can get to the grandparent level. then it is a matter of finding the right person to Test DNA for the parent. Since this is for your Dad's father it becomes easier just a bit, for two reasons. First older means closer to the 1940 cutoff for census records. second because you know you are looking for a male. In the case of my mother going through the exact same scenario, her grandfather had only two sons. so i had ot see which it was. A granddaughter of one of the sons tested and was a 2nd cousin match to mother. had this been her father, the person would have matched much closer and been a niece not 2nd cousin, so I knew it was the other brother. In the case of my father there were 3 brothers and i asked a person to take a DNA test and this person turned out to be my Niece, my half sister's daughter (half sister passed away as did my father before i knew either even existed). I am helping several but one is coming to conclusion as we just located their father, so I should be able to look over it with your info in early may if you want. I have to help them wrap that up because they are now in that important contact stage :)
Thanks? Larry- nice to see the difference one generation makes! "Mum" to my grandmother was always the woman she was living with; ditto for her "brothers " - I guess I'm slow, because it took me 75 years to figure it out. Bottom line: one of the "Mums" was her grandmother (30 DNA matches in right range. Ive been able to compare with a 3C) So: I'm looking at one of the elder sisters as her mother. (Some oddities in censuses, and late birth registration, lead me suspect I'm on track there.) I have a116cM match- probable 2C1R- from a family with 8 sons in right place at right time. (They are well treed: appropriate matches with issue of 2nd great grandparents - and beyond. (Need I say it's one of my "strong " lines?) Her maternal grandfather 's line is a greater conundrum. Registration for birth of children 1 to 3 say "Robinson "; later & in all documents for their adult lives, they are consistently Robertson. Censuses 1871 to 1901 are half and half. (During his lifetime when presumably he'd have answered for himself, C info consistently stated born in Nova Scotia. Later on, children & grandchildren were more imaginative- Three Rivers? Dundee?) I have neither 1st nor 2nd cousins in this line. Search of matches by my 3C & me has found no hint of either who might have conceivably been his progenitors. Neither of the 3Cs I've located seems to share the nebula in my matches- - below 20cM, & especially around 14cM , I've at least 2 dozen & most have matches. (Ancestry let's you search from below 20cM up, but not in the other direction) Above 20cM, there are at least 20 matches. I suspect that I've found one set of his grandparents - they married their cousins not infrequently, & when this pedigree collapse appears in a tree, bells go off: 45cM? 53cM 65cM? (Is there a rule of thumb- divide by...) Three other families are frequently coupled with them. For at least 2 of the families, my matches go back into earlier generations. I'm slowly going nuts. But I'm not giving up. Are there any general suggestions- basic rules- that might help me to sort out this muddle? (I have no illusions that he wS anything but a one-off accident nothing will be neat & tidy. All were at the right place, right time. ) Thoughts?
You are so lucky to have someone so closely related to you to give you close on your paternal side. My closest paternal match is 208 cMs. He would be my generation (just seven years older). From comparing all of my matches, I know who my Great Grandfather would be, but he had two wives and a dozen kids by each woman. My next closest paternal cousin is 198 CMs (and a match to the previous cousin and a 2nd cousin 1x removed to me).
I am lucky But know that when my quest started I had a 117 and a 98 on that line Only those two so I actually thought my paper tree was right Then one popped in and I knew something wrong Then I started buying tests for people and other taking tests Now it appears close and crowded but it wasn’t that way when I got the surprise! And my fathers brother coming back 0 to me was the one that got ball rolling In the multiple marriages That helps immensely! Finding a descendent test aven low at a distance makes those clusters stand out! Hang in there! I stared at same information for months before it clicked
I found your video and found it informative! I will re watch as I’m looking for my birth fathers family.. I’m in Canada he was here from Switzerland when I was conceived. I only have 1 good match on MyHeritage at 455cm a young man in Switzerland but he has not responded it’s been over a month ..he has unknown Fischer’s on both sides of his tree!! Lol but one listed as his uncle that has passed born a year before me.. it’s driving me nuts 😂😂
Good luck tracy! 455cm is a good strong match. a half first cousin or a 1c 1removed. Either way you share a grandparent, so find his trree online (may take some research but you can find that persons' family tree or build it yourself and one or two of his four grandparents will be your grandparent(s)
DNA Family Trees thanks for your reply 😊 I thought I’d try that and searched the deceased person with the dates in Switzerland, it came up only to person that I matched with on MyHeritage to his tree on MyHeritage. Am I missing something? I can still possibly find this persons tree? I’m very new to this... not to mention research in this country is hard with the language barrier.. thanks 😊
yeah Switzerland can be a challenge due to the language of Swiss-German and Swiss-French which are neither German or french and typical translators are notoriously bad in translating. A couple things, you might try the private messaging systems again but this time make sure to include your email and contact information. often people don't have subscriptions and don't bother to attempt to login and respond to someone they don't know but an email address often prompt them to inquire. Assuming the person is alive, Googling the name/country often shows something. Might try facebook, instagram, pintrest, whatsapp, etc to see if you can get a hit. Also id would port over ot FTDNA and see if he is a match there too (if he also ported his DNA over) if so, FTDNA shares email addresses so there is an instant sucess if there. Also look for obituaries where that name is included. often they have "survived by" and this can give you a parents name. lastly i would look at shared matches with him. this can provide places to start with trees and some of those people may be in other areas were language is less of a barrier. There are lots of little tricks to try, i guess that is a good topic for a video because i know your not the only one sharing this experience. Just remember that the only reason i know this is I had to do them too LOL I have said the smartest person is simply the person who has failed the most :) LIke Edison, they learned how to do it but also 1799 ways not to do it LOL once you get a corner piece on this puzzle though it does start coming together quickly. keep in touch on this, i want to make sure you get traction you can use the channel email. Good luck!
Good insight but what if the close match doesn’t reply? I was courteous and let them know I was only doing personal research/not planning on contacting or disrupting anyones lives but they left me on read.
well, if they dont reply that typically means they are CLOSE emotionally to the situation it takes time, sometimes months or even years. i had one reply take 3 yrs! others 3 months some immediate others never at all. each time it was in direct correlation to how close they are to the paradigm change involved because of the effect on them and their loved ones in manners we may not yet know. That said, i have found the best place to gain traction for information tends to be TWO or THREE "nodes" away. aka niece/nephew, grandkids and such. They are FAR less emotionally tied to outcomes and if you plain talk with them your much more likely to get results than the children or the people involved themselves. Good luck! this is an emotional rollercoaster for you but also for them too! imagine someone saying they want information on you as as their parent but dont want to disrupt your life. while true, your kids would stonewall them out to "protect you" and spouses would freeze them out to protect the "sanctity and appearance of their marriage even if this pre dated them. its a tough time hang in there and see if you can find extended family. they often champion the family changes letting them know more about what they learn from your interactions with them and often help mend things and break down barriers to the people you want to converse with.
Thank you for this video and the other that I have viewed this morning (about clustering on Ancestry). It is my hope the information will help me to locate my birth father. Other than known maternal family, I have only two predicted 2nd cousin matches. Everyone else, Ancestry predicts to be 3rd cousin or beyond. Like others have mentioned, getting responses is very difficult, but I have been blessed with a descendant of those 2nd great-grandparents who did respond and is willing to help me on this journey of discovery. We are 3rd cousins and 17 years apart in age. One comment I wanted to make is that ages of the people can be a guide, but there are always folks that will be an exception to the rule. For example, Strom Thurmond fathered a child that was born in 1925.. In 1971, he fathered his first child with his wife. So, these half-siblings are/were approximately 46 years apart. This is about the age my grandma was when I was born. I can't imagine having a sibling old enough to be my grandparent! Keep up the great work! I look forward to learning more through your easy-to-understand videos. Have a blessed day.
+Suzanne McClendon could be 2nd cousins but they could also be 1/2 kinships That would be 1st cousin 1x removed possibly If half kinship your grandparent would be their great grandparent If 2nd cousin Your great will be their great grandparent Hope that helps
@@DNAFamilyTrees Thank you. I appreciate your help. All of this is so confusing, too many variables. If everything could be exact, if the cMs didn't offer so many relationship possibilities at each level, this would be so much easier and far less frustrating. Of course, it would be even less complicated if we all knew from the start who caused us to be born and didn't have to play this game of someone else's doing. But, that's where we're at. Thanks again. Have a blessed day.
So I have a cousin who is 567cM she's around 14 yrs my sr. and her brothers are far closer to my mom's age (+ or - 5 yrs.) than any of the next generation up
ok, my best estimate would be H1C or 1C1R. Based on information (and the fact many had lots of children so there was often an age gap) 12 would be as you guess, up a generation so id believe 1C1R which means look at your great grandparent to intersect their grandparent. What is 100% sure is you match THEIR grandparent. you dont know if those are your grandparents or your great grandparents but either way THEIR GRANDPARENTS intersect your line (both of them) now if 1C1R as suspected their GP is your GGP. Hope this helps
@@DNAFamilyTrees Thank you. I think I figured it out. I couldn't place any of the men on this family in the city I was born in or even in the state. But upon further investigation there were four matches that didn't match up with that family or my mom's when looking into it, I had 13 (so far) matches that lead back to this other family. A man from that family married in to the first family who I have the higher matches with. That couple had a son who lived in the town I was born and raised in. My mom had stated the "possible" father was a taxi driver, this man was a taxi driver in my city at that time. If I am correct he has three sons, two surviving that I am planning to write, but so far all other lines lead back to his family which and other than my mom's family those are the one two lines these people lead back to.
Howdy Texas (near Dallas here) Triangulating to grandparents is challenging but can be overcome, that last step however can be tough if there are brothers. If no descendant has taken a DNA test it may not be possible to determine. In my case i bought a kit, sent it to someone i thought may be my niece (and it was! so i pinpointed my father that way!) let me know if I cna be anyhelp ( dnafamilytrees@gmail.com)
I used this technique about 6 months ago, to find out who my dad's father was and it really does work! Your video's are really good, with alot of helpful information for those still looking for missing family members. I have recently discovered that one of our grandfather's has a missing biological father, as we couldn't find one single dna match. So a new dna hunt is about to begin.
Hello Larry, I really hope you can give me some direction. How do you go about determining a half-sibling that was illegally given away as a child? It's my mother's 1/2 sister. There is a DNA match for my mother at 894 cM's but the tree only has a mother (name only), father, and paternal grandparents. NONE of these people are on my tree and I cannot make a connection. I have over 4,000 pretty documented people on my tree and NONE even have the same surnames. I reached out to the person's child to see if they knew how we may be related and it wasn't very fruitful, to say the least. My theory is that this 894 cM match to my mother is actually my mother's 1/2 niece. However, she is in her 70's as is my mother...so is it possible that she is my mother's lost 1/2 sister?
not the long lost sister, the CMS is to low. Niece is possible depending on Ages but the CMS fits. Hard to tell where they fit without another clue but we can estimate based on ages (profiles often show the persons age range). if older its likely a half aunt/uncle, if younger id guess child of the missing half sibling perhaps, if same age then first cousin. Feel free to email direclty to dnafamilytrees@gmail.com
@@DNAFamilyTrees I don't know where my brain was at but I realized that this person DOES NOT match anyone on my mother's maternal line...so not her 1/2 sister. I am now almost positive that my "grandfather" was in fact not my mother's BF. I also realized that on my mother's supposed paternal line, I have no matches until like the 5th great grandparents at 6 cM's. I believe that is because someone WAY back in my maternal grandmother's family married someone WAY back in the supposed BF's family. Since you had to do this yourself, how do I find out for sure...if the match is not responsive?
Esther sorry for the delay, i just found alot of messages stuck in a filter. First of all, Grats on the deductions. if the closest matches on that side are that far off there is a different, closer tree in play. this playlist "finding your bio family" is the best help! those in order will guide you to help find the answers! Good luck and if you dont find yoru answers soon, email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and Ill make sure you get help/answers.
my mothers "family #1" her father had his first kids in 1916, mother in 1943 an his last daughter in 1955. the kids and in one case GRAND kids of her siblings were older than my mother :) yeah rules of thumb vs. actual lol good to zero in quickly but if it doesnt catch then have to widen that net, sometimes bizarrely large nets must be used lol
+Kylie Newson skip ahead in videos to clustering th-cam.com/video/UBh9X4qi7Xw/w-d-xo.html That four part series will help a lot If still having trouble email me and we can setup were I look at it with you
I want to have a DNA test done. I got married at 33 yrs old am almost 75, I was pretty wild in the 70s and early 80s. So what test should I take? If I have any offspring out there so be it. I would like to find out before I get off this train of life. Thank you.
i do have a service i dont advertise specifically to help people finding parents or grandparents. I dont do it for "walls" on trees 3xggps and such. email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com if you want to know more.
My mother was adopt and her mother was adopted. My mom found her bio mom but she told her not to look for her family. She died when I was young my mother refuses to participate but I am Looking to find answes
I was adopted. My closest match is a generation older than me at 737 cM. I also have matches to her first cousins at 461cM and 475 cM and lower cM matches to their children and grandchildren. I think she is my half aunt. Do those numbers make sense for that scenario?
www.dnafamilytrees.com/bp/indexV8.html 737 does work for a single path aunt (half aunt) Her first cousins, assuming same generations would be 1C1R to you and also fit the 450ish matches you have. Those numbers do align with that tree configuration. This would mean one of her siblings would be your parent. Depending on the number of children this would either give u an answer or get you close.
@@DNAFamilyTrees thank you! She has 5 half siblings (different father). I also have a match to the siblings 1st cousin on the fathers side at 521 cM (my next closest match).
Hello, I just came across your video and I am looking to find my father I feel like I am so, close but I'm stuck. If you can please help me it would much appreciate it. Thanks
+madree p might check out the two videos on mor $$$$ value Shows how to copy dna data to ftdna and MyHeritage to get more matches for free U can also do gedmatch three more databases to use might turn up a closer match!
@@DNAFamilyTrees I've done gedmatch. I will check out the other videos, thanks! It's driving me crazy since I have a few people around 100 cm and that's all. It's driving me crazy
100s most likely match you at the great grandparent level. If you get their great grandparents odds are if any are similar they will be yours as well. I think ill do a Between the numbers video, there are clues in the 100s and over that i think get missed in the exactness when probabilities can help when no certainty can be found yet. I look forward to hearing if you find a good match on one of the other sites!
@@DNAFamilyTrees I will let you know! I think my biggest problem besides people not responding is that I'm pretty sure everyone is a half relative. Identifying who is who has been hard with so little to go on. I have heard stories about people learning secrets from DNA tests but never thought I'd be one of them. Lol
madree p same here I took test to validate research before publishing Good side my “uncles” test proved that right Bad side new father and grandfather in other side lol
So if someone is 456 cm at 86% and you are 25 and they are pushing 90 years old, would they be your great aunt? I would love a breakdown of this instead of just immediate and 1-2 cousins.
there is a video that may help, clues in the numbers. really helps pinpoint based on those, of course everyting is estimation until you can verify, but it will help with starting point also the dnapainter sharedcms tool
Well as for my story i did a 23 and me dna online and share it with my cousin her grand mother and my father are half siblings and my cousin is his great niece it turns out that me and my cousin doesn't share no type of dna at all so i asked my other cousin to upload his dna on my herriages which he is my dad nephew and his dad & my dad are also half brothers & he got his dna matches and we didnt show up as a match the one i did a dna on 23 and me she showed up on his dna matches on my herriages so now i know that the man my mom said was my father is not my biological father idk if im right or wrong
Amanda, first, apologies for the slow response, i missed your comment earlier. I am sad i missed it as your comment is exactly what my channel is to help1 I want to first say I feel the emotion of the shock you must be feeling daily until you know the truth. It does appear you MIGHT be correct but it is not 100% yet. This puts the question directly to your father, but the DNA surprise could be for your father instead of you. What you have proven is there is NOT a DNA kinship that travels from you, to your father, to his half brother, down that line to your cousins. This does NOT mean your father is not biological. It is one of only two possible options still available but we cannot conclude that yet. It may be that your father was deceived and HE was not the biological son of the shared relative, grand mother or grandfather that is believed shared with the cousins. He could be adopted as a baby and raised as if a child. If the person you believed was in common with cousin is a shared grandmother, then one would lean towards you being correct in your assumption. If it is a shared grandfather then its is more likely your Father was deceived and there is a different grandfather. What you do know as FACT is that you do not share the same two grandparents as your cousins. That can be from: A) your father adopted and was deceived (as my family #2 did to me when they adopted me and treated me as biological son) B) You thought you shared a grandfather with the cousins and uncovered a relationship by the wife C) Your dad is not your biological father. to find out which, cluster your matches to see if anyone matches your grandmother (or grandfathers wife) If none do, then its A or C. Then check to see if any of those clusters match outside your father. You will be searching to find if he was adopted or if he was not your father. Feel free to email me at DNAFamilyTrees@gmail.com and ill help you outside of this forum.
@@DNAFamilyTrees its ok i understand and no the guy im talking about here is not my biological father at all his name is gary he passed away in 2012 i keep digging more and more and finally decided to take a dna test with his son and it turn out we didnt share the same father i was lead to believe gary was my father for for 20 years and i found my biological father family threw my dna matches on ancersty.com my biological dad great niece showed up as a match with me on ancersty and i found out who my real father was and his name is junior and with all you had here helped me out alot so thanks again
This video great but no one wants to share information or trees. I try find my birth family. I Think I found an uncle and his child. But no one wants to help .
+persia danielsson a lot of times in that situation the people u contact are close to situation from other side and “protecting” family without realizing that you ( me and others in same boat) at family. Takes time The closer you are longer it takes, more frustrating it is but typically I find eventually someone has change of heart Only one line shut out communication but I have it so well documented they use my Indy LOL Hang in there. I feel your pain in it but hang loose eventually the tide turns
Im dominican and I feel that people think I will take things from them. And they dont want be botherd. I found my father family and now im looking for my mother.
@@pdobani which company did you test with and email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and ill see if i can help. Looking for a mother is a journey no person should have to do, much less alone, ill see what i can do to help.
How do you know your grandchild isnt on the list? If you were older and had a child that was given up for adoption or a child you didnt even know about and that child had a child, then there absolutely could be a grandchild that you didnt know about who shows up as a match.
probabilities. A) no females will have a child they didnt know about. -50% statistically B) The set of possibilities for an unknown child would be only males. Since those that have children without knowing make up less than 1%, we have a 99% likelihood that this is not the case There are NO absolutes. But with 99% odds to be correct, thats how i would investigate first. That being said, I AM ONE of those 1%. My father never knew i existed, nor did his family as my mother asserted a different man was my biological father. So it DOES happen, but that is not where a person should put their first efforts in researching. 99% of the time there will be documentation or at least a family story. I connected a cousin who never knew her father My 1C2xR and her looked to be Aunt/Niece by CMS triangulation. I inquired and she said "he said he had a daughter by a woman but we thought he was just making it up because we never heard anything about it ever again." So even in her case there was a family story associated with the event. 99 out of 100 people born will not fall under this so, in research its about looking in the right places SOONER to find the right answer FASTER. IF after all that fails, use a smaller net to catch that 1%, but dont waste time looking or what iffing the 1% because its 99% likely to NOT be that :) But your right, it DOES happen, in the thousands i have helped i have come across this Grandparent/grandchild scenario 2x (so in my personal experience its been .00001 likelihood
@@DNAFamilyTrees that definitely makes sense. I didnt mean to imply that it was likely, just merely that it was possible. In truth, the DNA painter program should say "
I do not understand. I am wanting to look for the other side of my family that I know nothing about at all not even a name but the highest cM I have that is not my half sister or grandma is 473 and I was looking at the person and it seems like they are part of my moms side so I just dont understand
I would love to exspand this to help peolple find their real family and to help people know their real health backgrounds- who knows maybe this could even prevent identidy theft if we expand it correctly.
+Pretty Shooter B then start with cluster video There are four in a row that work with any matches This video was made prior to the color coding option by ancestry I’d definitely skip ahead to that one as the start point
My children's father never met his own dad. He is 50 years old. His sister got him a DNA test done recently. Finding out he has another son from his teen years. Our kids are 26 and 25. His mom refuses to say who his dad is. This matters because his childhood was bad and he is currently dealing with end stage diabetic kidney failure. We have found a possible father an only child who has yet to message back. My kids are related to both that man's parents by DNA.
i see me starting with 1606 but none of the possibilities was a full sibling, can you point to the part of video your referencing for the error? I cannot find a sibling 1606 reference.
Don't look for lost parents or kids. Leave it all in the past. It's better to not know them. My daughter found me 2 months ago after lost 18 years. She is a total jerk. I broke off all communication. It was a epic disaster. Leave everything in the past. DO NOT LOOK FOR LOST KIDS OR PARENTS.
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Thank you so much for sharing all your insight in the journey to find our families. I am 70 y.o., was adopted at birth, and have just made a HUGE breakthrough toward my father's identity. At my age, the likelihood of finding an indisputable conclusion is slim. So, thank you again.
I was adopted, and I'm trying to find my family on Ancestry right now. I just got a really good lead on at least the family of my mother, even if I'm not sure of her identity still. My father's side has a lot of matches, but It's been hard to piece together. Thanks for the video anyway.
Hey Larry, I just watched a number of your videos. Thank you for posting. Like you, I'm having trouble identifying my biological paternal grandfather and following his family line. Here's the real issue, people won't talk. I do have a very detailed family tree on my paternal line spelled out, but I can't pinpoint who the male might be. Help, please. Whatever assistance you can offer, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm willing to share my DNA, as well as my family tree. I need closure. Thanks in advance.
I have the EXACT same problem. No luck either.
Same
Same here..
Well this method depends on someone being willing to communicate with you.
Typically, You can determine to the grandparent level without any outside communication. If there are multiple children of the same gender then communication will be required to hone in on that node.
In the case of my mother, I got to her grandparents quickly and there were two brothers. I found people who tested under one brother to eliminate that side so in her case no communication was required to locate her biological father.
Currently i have about a dozen I am helping, 5 are awaiting communication in order to close out their journey because there is no other way (as you mentioned). 7 of them are in the final stages of meeting their families and I will soon have opportunity to help some more folks (we didn't need any additional communication to locate them, just the DNA match list and some work)
If you have a search going, i can help you get to the grandparents typically in short order (if in the USA - If outside the USA and the highest CMS you have is 50 like in one persons case I am helping, then the task is much more difficult but we can get there)
And that you have DNA matches with a high amount of centimorgans in common. 😕 I'm struggling to find out my maternal grandfather and the highest centimorgans in common is 100 or so. From a family that had several generations with 10+ kids 😲
@@DNAFamilyTrees I would love help. Willing to put as much work in it as possible to help.
sorry this post got stuck in filter for some reason, email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com I get "opportunitites to help"all the time :)
Exactly. I get few replies
This information has been COMPLETELY and TOTALLY helpful for my search! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
This is a great video! Thank you!
Great video as usual. I too am looking for a grandfather but I had no information expect a 1-2nd cousin to my mum and a 3-4 cousin. Both have trees and I was able to connect the two of them in their trees. I think I have found a potential candidate, but every few days I second guess my potential connection to these matches. As this man has “no known children “ , I am reluctant to approach the matches, I keep watching videos for more ideas about how to prove my theory.
lets see if i understand correctly. You merged trees of some matches and measured the CMS to where they would fit. Your grandfather had several children. One of which was male who had no known children and you believe this person is your father. You match to cousins (children of this mans siblings).
Where there any other male children from your grandfather? If not, then your pretty much done figuring it out. If there were more sons, then you would need to have matches underneath others (or same as you) to conclude with certainty.
If there are others, are the DNA tests for those descendants? if so, then you know your not under those or youd be a half sibling match.
Sounds like your very close, feel free to email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and i can help you with this offline to see if you already have the proof or where you need to still verify. One thing sounds sure, you have the grandparents.
Might approach family members showing that proof and ask for help in determining who your father is. they will very likely help to disprove you or to help you prove, either way though, you get some form of cooperation that helps you through the final steps and having them be a part of that process goes a LONG ways to their acceptance after the facts are shown.
DNA Family Trees Hi thanks for the reply. You pretty much have it. It is my mother’s DNA matches, so they even closer. I really appreciate the offer to help. I will email you as suggested.
Thanks, Larry for this explanation! It is very helpful. How to use the dna painter was also useful. I've also enjoyed several others of your videos. Keep up the good work!
+Virginia Murphy thank you Virginia!
Very informative video! I am researching for birth father for my grandmother. This will be helpful. I also have DNA matches that don't fit in anywhere on my tree. But I can see through multiple Shared Matches they are related to a specific grandparent. Hypothesis? Thinking they're possible descendants from illegitimate children from the late 1800s to early 1900s.
At what CMS distance are they matching?
This is a good video, but I'd sure like to see you redo it with a 2C1R who won't respond and everyone else is 4C or further. I keep praying for a hit higher than 500cM... just one.
have you uploaded to FTDNA and MyHeritage? Sometimes the shock is to find there's a closer match on another platform. Otherwise, I know it would be tough because my wife's matches are all distant.
I also have a 2C1R - & a carload of 3C: not hard to identify the family (of 13 kids) - I'm looking for my grandmothe's father: no "significant" bumps in cMs to guide me ; - all their ancestors have descendants hovering around to point the way. Doesn't help that Gram's maternal grandfather seems to have no ancestors or relatives- no matter how I spell his name. I'm with you: looking for the Right Person to be tested. Fingers crossed for both of us!
Thank you. I am trying to help my friend and I had no idea what to do with the ancestry information.
I have a friend who doesn’t know who her father is. This video will help her a lot! She is so grateful!
This is helpful for people who live in North America. I'd recommend MyHeritage for folks with ancestry around the world.
Family Tree DNA is good too
Family Tree DNA solved my adopted Father’s paternal family identity
Great videos I have been trying to help a cousin I met on Ancestry find her birth family, Well she found her mom and she doesn't want to have any part of her life but also will not tell her who her birth farther is (maybe she dont know due to something bad) We have narrowed it down to 1 family but her strongest match is 588 cms
Hi Larry, how do you suggest someone go about finding a biological parent when they don't have high matches as shown in your video? I'm an adoptee and my top match on Ancestry is 80 yrs old only shares 376 cM with me. On FTDNA the person if still alive would have been 100 yrs old and shared 440 cM with me and was a 1C1R to the person on Ancestry. Both come from families with pedigree collapse on both sides. My mother's side doesn't appear to connect to my father's line thankfully as we're from two different countries. So are you able to make suggestions on how I can figure out who my father might be?
Email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and we can discuss offline
About to be 25 just got my results a month ago and was in shock to find out I’m half Salvadorian because my dad did not look Hispanic and I had a feeling that I was , told my mom I going to test him and got him to do it turns out he’s not my bio dad she says she doesn’t know and couldn’t give me a name I reached out to some 3rd cousins because not many people in close relation have taken tests I feel hopeless
First things first, my apologies for the 12 day delay on response. I missed this and its exactly why this channel exists, to help people in your position!
please email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and I will assist you! I KNOW how it feels to get that surprise and i know how your feeling! I wil do my b est to get you answers as quickly as possible and get you on right path to finding out who your father is!
Loved the video…but what if u have only low , (under 100 cM’s )dna matches and several paternal lines?
Hi Larry my friend was adopted in the early 60s and have no clue to who his biological parents are. He was told the only way to get that information is to hire an investigator. I found your video which has given me hope for him. Can you please tell me how to get started with this DNA tree where do you go for this😊
There is an "old" video set, starting with Clustering, dirty trees, sourcing and triangulation (each of them have links to the others) That is the BEST. You will need to watch the centimorgans video withthe ruler on it ifyour not familiar with CMS. Then this year i did a cluster updated video where it shows that and also has these 4 and 4 more videos at are useful. Lastly there is a video in channel where i go "step by step" to help a 74yr old woman find her biological father. It shows step by step but goes fast as it uses what is in the prior videos but it is even better than this video by a great deal as this is an older one.
Ill look up links and post them here.
0 - Centimorgans (if not already understood) th-cam.com/video/HhTRJzYX9Ac/w-d-xo.html
1 - Clustering: th-cam.com/video/UBh9X4qi7Xw/w-d-xo.html
2 - Putting Tree Together: th-cam.com/video/M-UIrG4vNX0/w-d-xo.html
3 - Sourcing: th-cam.com/video/7Dt2AGLG5zQ/w-d-xo.html
4 - Triangulation: th-cam.com/video/q3vSasZ2WYo/w-d-xo.html
What are the Odds? (WATO link)
5 - th-cam.com/video/7e5AJ2Ezbes/w-d-xo.html
Link to Video on Advance Ancestry.com Search methods
6 - th-cam.com/video/V22Hp9a3ZDI/w-d-xo.html
Ball and Pattern and Plus 1 video links:
7 - th-cam.com/video/AO110DwLcZw/w-d-xo.html
8 - th-cam.com/video/za8dgk6np_g/w-d-xo.html
NEW Step by Step Video:
9 -th-cam.com/video/laEl3xaVywo/w-d-xo.html
if you watch all of these, you will be prepared sufficiently to find the bio family with DNA results.
Also you can upload to MyHeritage for free (and get the 1/2 price "UploadLarry" discount through Christmas which unlocks auto clustering and chromosome browser if you dont get it from the above on ancestry. FTDNA also allows free upload of DNA which combined gives 3 places with one set of DNA data.
Good Luck and if you need help, Email me at DNAFamilyTrees@gmail.com . If you get stuck or have question i can answer directly
Thank you so much Larry for your quick response i greatly appreciate it. I will watch all the videos you suggested. If i get stuck. I will most definitely reach out to you. Im so excited that i found your video. My friend is almost 60 yrs old and wanna know where his family is. Thanks again Larry God Bless you for your videos💖😘😊
did you get the answers? if not i created a playlist that has the important videos in order "finding your bio family" if that doenst get you the answers, still, email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com
Hello Great video! Happy for you finding your biological family. Basically have no info or name of my dad's father he never knew him. Have a couple 2nd cousins 220s cm and a few 3rd cousins dna matches. 1 of the 2nd cousins and a 3rd cousin link back to a certain couple in there trees in leaning towards that couple. Am I going in the right direction? My dad says that he could have been kinda a well known person in the sugar industry in Maui.
Sounds like you are! There is a video following up on color coding, i would do that and identify ALL of that side of the family. Then look at all of those with trees and see if first pass you spot some duplicated names and marriages. Usually you can find a few that have the same people married but different kids. That is very often the MRCA for you and that person. (most recent common ancestor).
I would build the tree up one node from there and down as much as you can find online through searches. since 1940 records online you can typically get pretty close.
Then overlay your matches into that tree you built. There will come a point they all triangulate to you with the CMS (see centimorgan video).
With that information almost every time you can get to the grandparent level. then it is a matter of finding the right person to Test DNA for the parent.
Since this is for your Dad's father it becomes easier just a bit, for two reasons. First older means closer to the 1940 cutoff for census records. second because you know you are looking for a male.
In the case of my mother going through the exact same scenario, her grandfather had only two sons. so i had ot see which it was. A granddaughter of one of the sons tested and was a 2nd cousin match to mother. had this been her father, the person would have matched much closer and been a niece not 2nd cousin, so I knew it was the other brother.
In the case of my father there were 3 brothers and i asked a person to take a DNA test and this person turned out to be my Niece, my half sister's daughter (half sister passed away as did my father before i knew either even existed).
I am helping several but one is coming to conclusion as we just located their father, so I should be able to look over it with your info in early may if you want. I have to help them wrap that up because they are now in that important contact stage :)
Thanks? Larry- nice to see the difference one generation makes!
"Mum" to my grandmother was always the woman she was living with; ditto for her "brothers " - I guess I'm slow, because it took me 75 years to figure it out. Bottom line: one of the "Mums" was her grandmother (30 DNA matches in right range. Ive been able to compare with a 3C) So: I'm looking at one of the elder sisters as her mother. (Some oddities in censuses, and late birth registration, lead me suspect I'm on track there.)
I have a116cM match- probable 2C1R- from a family with 8 sons in right place at right time. (They are well treed: appropriate matches with issue of 2nd great grandparents - and beyond. (Need I say it's one of my "strong " lines?)
Her maternal grandfather 's line is a greater conundrum.
Registration for birth of children 1 to 3 say "Robinson "; later & in all documents for their adult lives, they are consistently Robertson. Censuses 1871 to 1901 are half and half. (During his lifetime when presumably he'd have answered for himself, C info consistently stated born in Nova Scotia. Later on, children & grandchildren were more imaginative- Three Rivers? Dundee?)
I have neither 1st nor 2nd cousins in this line.
Search of matches by my 3C & me has found no hint of either who might have conceivably been his progenitors.
Neither of the 3Cs I've located seems to share the nebula in my matches- - below 20cM, & especially around 14cM , I've at least 2 dozen & most have matches.
(Ancestry let's you search from below 20cM up, but not in the other direction) Above 20cM, there are at least 20 matches.
I suspect that I've found one set of his grandparents - they married their cousins not infrequently, & when this pedigree collapse appears in a tree, bells go off: 45cM? 53cM 65cM? (Is there a rule of thumb- divide by...)
Three other families are frequently coupled with them. For at least 2 of the families, my matches go back into earlier generations.
I'm slowly going nuts. But I'm not giving up.
Are there any general suggestions- basic rules- that might help me to sort out this muddle?
(I have no illusions that he wS anything but a one-off accident nothing will be neat & tidy. All were at the right place, right time. )
Thoughts?
watch for tomorrows video! i think it will help clarify and simplify things (that and the associated videos with it)
You are so lucky to have someone so closely related to you to give you close on your paternal side. My closest paternal match is 208 cMs. He would be my generation (just seven years older). From comparing all of my matches, I know who my Great Grandfather would be, but he had two wives and a dozen kids by each woman. My next closest paternal cousin is 198 CMs (and a match to the previous cousin and a 2nd cousin 1x removed to me).
I am lucky
But know that when my quest started I had a 117 and a 98 on that line
Only those two so I actually thought my paper tree was right
Then one popped in and I knew something wrong
Then I started buying tests for people and other taking tests
Now it appears close and crowded but it wasn’t that way when I got the surprise!
And my fathers brother coming back 0 to me was the one that got ball rolling
In the multiple marriages
That helps immensely!
Finding a descendent test aven low at a distance makes those clusters stand out!
Hang in there!
I stared at same information for months before it clicked
I found your video and found it informative! I will re watch as I’m looking for my birth fathers family.. I’m in Canada he was here from Switzerland when I was conceived. I only have 1 good match on MyHeritage at 455cm a young man in Switzerland but he has not responded it’s been over a month ..he has unknown Fischer’s on both sides of his tree!! Lol but one listed as his uncle that has passed born a year before me.. it’s driving me nuts 😂😂
Good luck tracy! 455cm is a good strong match. a half first cousin or a 1c 1removed. Either way you share a grandparent, so find his trree online (may take some research but you can find that persons' family tree or build it yourself and one or two of his four grandparents will be your grandparent(s)
DNA Family Trees thanks for your reply 😊 I thought I’d try that and searched the deceased person with the dates in Switzerland, it came up only to person that I matched with on MyHeritage to his tree on MyHeritage. Am I missing something? I can still possibly find this persons tree? I’m very new to this... not to mention research in this country is hard with the language barrier.. thanks 😊
yeah Switzerland can be a challenge due to the language of Swiss-German and Swiss-French which are neither German or french and typical translators are notoriously bad in translating. A couple things, you might try the private messaging systems again but this time make sure to include your email and contact information. often people don't have subscriptions and don't bother to attempt to login and respond to someone they don't know but an email address often prompt them to inquire.
Assuming the person is alive, Googling the name/country often shows something. Might try facebook, instagram, pintrest, whatsapp, etc to see if you can get a hit. Also id would port over ot FTDNA and see if he is a match there too (if he also ported his DNA over) if so, FTDNA shares email addresses so there is an instant sucess if there. Also look for obituaries where that name is included. often they have "survived by" and this can give you a parents name. lastly i would look at shared matches with him. this can provide places to start with trees and some of those people may be in other areas were language is less of a barrier. There are lots of little tricks to try, i guess that is a good topic for a video because i know your not the only one sharing this experience. Just remember that the only reason i know this is I had to do them too LOL I have said the smartest person is simply the person who has failed the most :) LIke Edison, they learned how to do it but also 1799 ways not to do it LOL once you get a corner piece on this puzzle though it does start coming together quickly.
keep in touch on this, i want to make sure you get traction you can use the channel email. Good luck!
DNA Family Trees thank you for the encouragement!! 😉
He’s replied this morning!!! 😂😂 wish me luck! And thank you
is there any way you can look at my matches and help me understand the results and narrow down the search, I'm looking for my sons father.
Good insight but what if the close match doesn’t reply? I was courteous and let them know I was only doing personal research/not planning on contacting or disrupting anyones lives but they left me on read.
well, if they dont reply that typically means they are CLOSE emotionally to the situation it takes time, sometimes months or even years.
i had one reply take 3 yrs! others 3 months some immediate others never at all. each time it was in direct correlation to how close they are to the paradigm change involved because of the effect on them and their loved ones in manners we may not yet know.
That said, i have found the best place to gain traction for information tends to be TWO or THREE "nodes" away. aka niece/nephew, grandkids and such. They are FAR less emotionally tied to outcomes and if you plain talk with them your much more likely to get results than the children or the people involved themselves.
Good luck! this is an emotional rollercoaster for you but also for them too! imagine someone saying they want information on you as as their parent but dont want to disrupt your life. while true, your kids would stonewall them out to "protect you" and spouses would freeze them out to protect the "sanctity and appearance of their marriage even if this pre dated them.
its a tough time hang in there and see if you can find extended family. they often champion the family changes letting them know more about what they learn from your interactions with them and often help mend things and break down barriers to the people you want to converse with.
@@DNAFamilyTreessome people don’t want to be contacted especially if 20 plus years have passed … people have moved on built lives made life plans etc
Thank you for this video and the other that I have viewed this morning (about clustering on Ancestry). It is my hope the information will help me to locate my birth father. Other than known maternal family, I have only two predicted 2nd cousin matches. Everyone else, Ancestry predicts to be 3rd cousin or beyond. Like others have mentioned, getting responses is very difficult, but I have been blessed with a descendant of those 2nd great-grandparents who did respond and is willing to help me on this journey of discovery. We are 3rd cousins and 17 years apart in age.
One comment I wanted to make is that ages of the people can be a guide, but there are always folks that will be an exception to the rule. For example, Strom Thurmond fathered a child that was born in 1925.. In 1971, he fathered his first child with his wife. So, these half-siblings are/were approximately 46 years apart. This is about the age my grandma was when I was born. I can't imagine having a sibling old enough to be my grandparent!
Keep up the great work! I look forward to learning more through your easy-to-understand videos. Have a blessed day.
What is the CMS for the two 2nd cousins?
@@DNAFamilyTrees The two 2nd cousin matches are 1) 204cM across 10 segments and 2) 203cM across 9 segments.
+Suzanne McClendon could be 2nd cousins but they could also be 1/2 kinships
That would be 1st cousin 1x removed possibly
If half kinship your grandparent would be their great grandparent
If 2nd cousin
Your great will be their great grandparent
Hope that helps
@@DNAFamilyTrees Thank you. I appreciate your help. All of this is so confusing, too many variables. If everything could be exact, if the cMs didn't offer so many relationship possibilities at each level, this would be so much easier and far less frustrating. Of course, it would be even less complicated if we all knew from the start who caused us to be born and didn't have to play this game of someone else's doing. But, that's where we're at.
Thanks again. Have a blessed day.
So I have a cousin who is 567cM she's around 14 yrs my sr. and her brothers are far closer to my mom's age (+ or - 5 yrs.) than any of the next generation up
ok, my best estimate would be H1C or 1C1R. Based on information (and the fact many had lots of children so there was often an age gap) 12 would be as you guess, up a generation so id believe 1C1R which means look at your great grandparent to intersect their grandparent.
What is 100% sure is you match THEIR grandparent.
you dont know if those are your grandparents or your great grandparents but either way THEIR GRANDPARENTS intersect your line (both of them)
now if 1C1R as suspected their GP is your GGP.
Hope this helps
@@DNAFamilyTrees Thank you. I think I figured it out. I couldn't place any of the men on this family in the city I was born in or even in the state. But upon further investigation there were four matches that didn't match up with that family or my mom's when looking into it, I had 13 (so far) matches that lead back to this other family. A man from that family married in to the first family who I have the higher matches with. That couple had a son who lived in the town I was born and raised in. My mom had stated the "possible" father was a taxi driver, this man was a taxi driver in my city at that time. If I am correct he has three sons, two surviving that I am planning to write, but so far all other lines lead back to his family which and other than my mom's family those are the one two lines these people lead back to.
I have found my husbands birth fathers family, but not him. Still working on it. I believe this will help me. Thanks.
Howdy Texas (near Dallas here) Triangulating to grandparents is challenging but can be overcome, that last step however can be tough if there are brothers. If no descendant has taken a DNA test it may not be possible to determine.
In my case i bought a kit, sent it to someone i thought may be my niece (and it was! so i pinpointed my father that way!) let me know if I cna be anyhelp ( dnafamilytrees@gmail.com)
I'll try your method now
Did it work? might also look at the latest in channel (2 months old now)
Thanks. I'm searching for my biological full brother. He would be late 70s, adopted out in Florida.
I used this technique about 6 months ago, to find out who my dad's father was and it really does work! Your video's are really good, with alot of helpful information for those still looking for missing family members. I have recently discovered that one of our grandfather's has a missing biological father, as we couldn't find one single dna match. So a new dna hunt is about to begin.
+Tainui Babe awesome! And goood luck in your current hunt!
+Tainui Babe good luck on your latest journey!
DNA Family Trees Thank you.
did u find the missing father of your grandfather?
Hello Larry, I really hope you can give me some direction. How do you go about determining a half-sibling that was illegally given away as a child? It's my mother's 1/2 sister. There is a DNA match for my mother at 894 cM's but the tree only has a mother (name only), father, and paternal grandparents. NONE of these people are on my tree and I cannot make a connection. I have over 4,000 pretty documented people on my tree and NONE even have the same surnames. I reached out to the person's child to see if they knew how we may be related and it wasn't very fruitful, to say the least. My theory is that this 894 cM match to my mother is actually my mother's 1/2 niece. However, she is in her 70's as is my mother...so is it possible that she is my mother's lost 1/2 sister?
not the long lost sister, the CMS is to low. Niece is possible depending on Ages but the CMS fits. Hard to tell where they fit without another clue but we can estimate based on ages (profiles often show the persons age range). if older its likely a half aunt/uncle, if younger id guess child of the missing half sibling perhaps, if same age then first cousin. Feel free to email direclty to dnafamilytrees@gmail.com
@@DNAFamilyTrees I don't know where my brain was at but I realized that this person DOES NOT match anyone on my mother's maternal line...so not her 1/2 sister. I am now almost positive that my "grandfather" was in fact not my mother's BF. I also realized that on my mother's supposed paternal line, I have no matches until like the 5th great grandparents at 6 cM's. I believe that is because someone WAY back in my maternal grandmother's family married someone WAY back in the supposed BF's family. Since you had to do this yourself, how do I find out for sure...if the match is not responsive?
Esther sorry for the delay, i just found alot of messages stuck in a filter. First of all, Grats on the deductions. if the closest matches on that side are that far off there is a different, closer tree in play. this playlist "finding your bio family" is the best help! those in order will guide you to help find the answers! Good luck and if you dont find yoru answers soon, email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and Ill make sure you get help/answers.
3:15 Another extreme case example, if teen parents had their first child at age 16 and last child at age 46.
my mothers "family #1" her father had his first kids in 1916, mother in 1943 an his last daughter in 1955. the kids and in one case GRAND kids of her siblings were older than my mother :)
yeah rules of thumb vs. actual lol good to zero in quickly but if it doesnt catch then have to widen that net, sometimes bizarrely large nets must be used lol
im only getting 2 to 3rd cousin matches and only 101 matches finding this difficult to find bio dad
+Kylie Newson skip ahead in videos to clustering th-cam.com/video/UBh9X4qi7Xw/w-d-xo.html
That four part series will help a lot
If still having trouble email me and we can setup were I look at it with you
I want to have a DNA test done. I got married at 33 yrs old am almost 75, I was pretty wild in the 70s and early 80s. So what test should I take? If I have any offspring out there so be it. I would like to find out before I get off this train of life. Thank you.
Any useful tips on how to work this when the bio person you are trying to locate is your 6th great-grandfather? So far Y-DNA returns no hits.
Clustering
Then look for remarriages these help parry the clusters better
Hi Larry. Are you still receiving these notifications from this terrific year old video?
yes, i dont read them as often as i do the newer, but periodically i go through all comments on all videos
Larry, do you ever or would you ever consider helping people with their dna trees?
i do have a service i dont advertise specifically to help people finding parents or grandparents. I dont do it for "walls" on trees 3xggps and such. email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com if you want to know more.
My mother was adopt and her mother was adopted. My mom found her bio mom but she told her not to look for her family. She died when I was young my mother refuses to participate but I am
Looking to find answes
what happens if they don t return your messages
I was adopted. My closest match is a generation older than me at 737 cM. I also have matches to her first cousins at 461cM and 475 cM and lower cM matches to their children and grandchildren. I think she is my half aunt. Do those numbers make sense for that scenario?
www.dnafamilytrees.com/bp/indexV8.html
737 does work for a single path aunt (half aunt) Her first cousins, assuming same generations would be 1C1R to you and also fit the 450ish matches you have.
Those numbers do align with that tree configuration.
This would mean one of her siblings would be your parent. Depending on the number of children this would either give u an answer or get you close.
@@DNAFamilyTrees thank you! She has 5 half siblings (different father). I also have a match to the siblings 1st cousin on the fathers side at 521 cM (my next closest match).
Hello, I just came across your video and I am looking to find my father I feel like I am so, close but I'm stuck. If you can please help me it would much appreciate it.
Thanks
email me at DnaFamilyTrees@gmail.com and Ill see what i can do to help you.
My closest matches for my potential father's family are 3rd or 4th cousins. No public trees. It hasn't been so easy
+madree p might check out the two videos on mor $$$$ value
Shows how to copy dna data to ftdna and MyHeritage to get more matches for free
U can also do gedmatch three more databases to use might turn up a closer match!
@@DNAFamilyTrees I've done gedmatch. I will check out the other videos, thanks! It's driving me crazy since I have a few people around 100 cm and that's all. It's driving me crazy
100s most likely match you at the great grandparent level. If you get their great grandparents odds are if any are similar they will be yours as well. I think ill do a Between the numbers video, there are clues in the 100s and over that i think get missed in the exactness when probabilities can help when no certainty can be found yet.
I look forward to hearing if you find a good match on one of the other sites!
@@DNAFamilyTrees I will let you know! I think my biggest problem besides people not responding is that I'm pretty sure everyone is a half relative. Identifying who is who has been hard with so little to go on. I have heard stories about people learning secrets from DNA tests but never thought I'd be one of them. Lol
madree p same here
I took test to validate research before publishing
Good side my “uncles” test proved that right
Bad side new father and grandfather in other side lol
Is there a video using just second cousins?
none specificaly using 2nd cousins only, what are you looking for perhaps i can create it
So if someone is 456 cm at 86% and you are 25 and they are pushing 90 years old, would they be your great aunt? I would love a breakdown of this instead of just immediate and 1-2 cousins.
there is a video that may help, clues in the numbers. really helps pinpoint based on those, of course everyting is estimation until you can verify, but it will help with starting point also the dnapainter sharedcms tool
Well as for my story i did a 23 and me dna online and share it with my cousin her grand mother and my father are half siblings and my cousin is his great niece it turns out that me and my cousin doesn't share no type of dna at all so i asked my other cousin to upload his dna on my herriages which he is my dad nephew and his dad & my dad are also half brothers & he got his dna matches and we didnt show up as a match the one i did a dna on 23 and me she showed up on his dna matches on my herriages so now i know that the man my mom said was my father is not my biological father idk if im right or wrong
Amanda, first, apologies for the slow response, i missed your comment earlier. I am sad i missed it as your comment is exactly what my channel is to help1
I want to first say I feel the emotion of the shock you must be feeling daily until you know the truth.
It does appear you MIGHT be correct but it is not 100% yet. This puts the question directly to your father, but the DNA surprise could be for your father instead of you.
What you have proven is there is NOT a DNA kinship that travels from you, to your father, to his half brother, down that line to your cousins.
This does NOT mean your father is not biological. It is one of only two possible options still available but we cannot conclude that yet.
It may be that your father was deceived and HE was not the biological son of the shared relative, grand mother or grandfather that is believed shared with the cousins.
He could be adopted as a baby and raised as if a child.
If the person you believed was in common with cousin is a shared grandmother, then one would lean towards you being correct in your assumption. If it is a shared grandfather then its is more likely your Father was deceived and there is a different grandfather.
What you do know as FACT is that you do not share the same two grandparents as your cousins.
That can be from:
A) your father adopted and was deceived (as my family #2 did to me when they adopted me and treated me as biological son)
B) You thought you shared a grandfather with the cousins and uncovered a relationship by the wife
C) Your dad is not your biological father.
to find out which, cluster your matches to see if anyone matches your grandmother (or grandfathers wife) If none do, then its A or C.
Then check to see if any of those clusters match outside your father. You will be searching to find if he was adopted or if he was not your father.
Feel free to email me at DNAFamilyTrees@gmail.com and ill help you outside of this forum.
Is your father alive? (email me)
@@DNAFamilyTrees its ok i understand and no the guy im talking about here is not my biological father at all his name is gary he passed away in 2012 i keep digging more and more and finally decided to take a dna test with his son and it turn out we didnt share the same father i was lead to believe gary was my father for for 20 years and i found my biological father family threw my dna matches on ancersty.com my biological dad great niece showed up as a match with me on ancersty and i found out who my real father was and his name is junior and with all you had here helped me out alot so thanks again
Amanda, thats GREAT! I hope things moving forward good :)
This video great but no one wants to share information or trees. I try find my birth family. I Think I found an uncle and his child. But no one wants to help .
+persia danielsson a lot of times in that situation the people u contact are close to situation from other side and “protecting” family without realizing that you ( me and others in same boat) at family.
Takes time
The closer you are longer it takes, more frustrating it is but typically I find eventually someone has change of heart
Only one line shut out communication but I have it so well documented they use my Indy LOL
Hang in there. I feel your pain in it but hang loose eventually the tide turns
I understand this. The one person who has the name of my biological father listed in her tree refuses to respond.
Dave, did you ever get the information? if not email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com (sorry for some reason this as stuck in filters and i missed it)
Im dominican and I feel that people think I will take things from them. And they dont want be botherd. I found my father family and now im looking for my mother.
@@pdobani which company did you test with and email me at dnafamilytrees@gmail.com and ill see if i can help. Looking for a mother is a journey no person should have to do, much less alone, ill see what i can do to help.
How do you know your grandchild isnt on the list? If you were older and had a child that was given up for adoption or a child you didnt even know about and that child had a child, then there absolutely could be a grandchild that you didnt know about who shows up as a match.
probabilities.
A) no females will have a child they didnt know about. -50% statistically
B) The set of possibilities for an unknown child would be only males. Since those that have children without knowing make up less than 1%, we have a 99% likelihood that this is not the case
There are NO absolutes.
But with 99% odds to be correct, thats how i would investigate first.
That being said, I AM ONE of those 1%. My father never knew i existed, nor did his family as my mother asserted a different man was my biological father.
So it DOES happen, but that is not where a person should put their first efforts in researching. 99% of the time there will be documentation or at least a family story. I connected a cousin who never knew her father My 1C2xR and her looked to be Aunt/Niece by CMS triangulation. I inquired and she said "he said he had a daughter by a woman but we thought he was just making it up because we never heard anything about it ever again."
So even in her case there was a family story associated with the event.
99 out of 100 people born will not fall under this so, in research its about looking in the right places SOONER to find the right answer FASTER.
IF after all that fails, use a smaller net to catch that 1%, but dont waste time looking or what iffing the 1% because its 99% likely to NOT be that :)
But your right, it DOES happen, in the thousands i have helped i have come across this Grandparent/grandchild scenario 2x (so in my personal experience its been .00001 likelihood
@@DNAFamilyTrees that definitely makes sense. I didnt mean to imply that it was likely, just merely that it was possible. In truth, the DNA painter program should say "
I do not understand. I am wanting to look for the other side of my family that I know nothing about at all not even a name but the highest cM I have that is not my half sister or grandma is 473 and I was looking at the person and it seems like they are part of my moms side so I just dont understand
Have you seen the clustering video?
If not I think that will help you
I would love to exspand this to help peolple find their real family and to help people know their real health backgrounds- who knows maybe this could even prevent identidy theft if we expand it correctly.
Working on new version now
But accommodating so many variables and being all inclusive is a challenge
What if your matches were 4th cousin and more distant
+Pretty Shooter B then start with cluster video
There are four in a row that work with any matches
This video was made prior to the color coding option by ancestry
I’d definitely skip ahead to that one as the start point
My children's father never met his own dad. He is 50 years old. His sister got him a DNA test done recently. Finding out he has another son from his teen years. Our kids are 26 and 25.
His mom refuses to say who his dad is. This matters because his childhood was bad and he is currently dealing with end stage diabetic kidney failure. We have found a possible father an only child who has yet to message back. My kids are related to both that man's parents by DNA.
You started 1606 is full sibling which is not true for Ancestry, my sister (half) is 1638, her daughter my niece is 718.
I should say it is not necessarily true.
I wil check a full sibling is not 1606, and your right it is NOT true, not even a maybe lol let me see if i can find what your referring to in video.
i see me starting with 1606 but none of the possibilities was a full sibling, can you point to the part of video your referencing for the error? I cannot find a sibling 1606 reference.
Just found out that my grandpas father is not actually his, he took a dna test and had a match with 356 cM, wish me luck
Prayers for your journey
Can’t say it gets easier as it doesn’t but does become easier to accept as time goes by
Don't look for lost parents or kids. Leave it all in the past. It's better to not know them. My daughter found me 2 months ago after lost 18 years. She is a total jerk. I broke off all communication. It was a epic disaster. Leave everything in the past. DO NOT LOOK FOR LOST KIDS OR PARENTS.