Religion - Tim Minchin
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- Tim minchin explores the topic of religion in style!
This came just after his song about god and anal sex (a brilliant little ditty entitled "ten foot cock and a few hundred virgins"), which is what he is refering to when he says "material like that"
"Created by man to explain the existence of feet in the absence of the knowledge of the existence of Tony"
I have watched this dozens of times and this line still blows my mind.
+Jeremiah d goosebumps
+bingleton it could be toni xD
+Jeremiah d that line is a clever part of the show but wouldn't you think that even if mankind HAD known about tony, we would have invented a macro-world about god and his ways anyway? I guess things like the bible would have been much less ridiculous, no ark or adam and eve, but perhaps there still would have been a biblical text which says we should follow a god who tells us not to wear multi-fabric clothes or we'll be stoned lol
+dylan mansper DAMN this feels good, this explains alot and its kinda situation i am in it, right now
Ironically a hypothesis that fails Popper's criterion of scientific falsifiability, thus losing out to the religious explanation, which, acknowledging the issue to be beyond the sphere of Science proper, doesn't even make the claim for itself.
The opposite of Faith is not Doubt but rather Certainty. Everything is subject to the fallacy of the neglected aspect &all communication to some equivocation in the attempt to transfer understanding.
The world of now depends on Faith like any other, our currencies are Fiat, the whole banking/finance system that is the engine keeping our bouncy castle reality filled with enough air runs on the fuel of Confidence.
Metaphysics presents choices of worldview & traditions from the ever-expanding tree of options. 'Science' in the modern sense is a young Tradition, ('standing on the shoulders of giants'), the chief strength of which is a narrowly defined, highly prejudiced discrimination of the expressions of reality that it trusts & a highly accurate language in which to communicate (maths).
However it cannot even attempt to provide a comprehensive worldview without betraying itself, as it's deluded/dishonest culty younger sibling Scientism does by pretending that it is still Science and not some attempted coup against Religion in the form of a Kuhnian paradigmatic revolution.
Atheists and Agnostics need to answer the facts of history &why they could not build robust, fecund and competitive societies in the long run. "global studies have indicated that global atheism may be in decline due to irreligious countries having the lowest birth rates in the world and religious countries having higher birth rates in general" Cambridge Companion to Atheism p58.
Don't lock those minds away just yet...
"...as punishment for having a sort of schizophrenic discourse with a god who was created by man to explain the existence of feet in the absence of the knowledge of the existence of Tony"
Utter Genius.
Still fascinates me every time I hear it.
I wouldn't call having 4 kids at once a miracle. More like a waking nightmare.
NIghtmares are better. At least you get some sleep. That ain't happening with 4 babies lol.
@T Mox Technically, it is not bi-monthly. It is fortnightly.
R.i.p. pussy ..
It would just be a regular nightmare cause the kids wouldn’t be walking for about a year and her two
Yeah, and from a scientific viewpoint it's unfavourable at best. The human body is not properly equipt to carry two fetuses at once, let alone 4.
"So that I can justify groups sex whilst abhorring group prayer."
That line is flat out brilliant
Gonna leave on 69
It's also a good joke about moral relativism, which is inherently problematic and contradictory, since morality cannot, by definition, be arbitrary. i.e. he's not actually morally relativistic.
"Religion was born when the first con man met the first fool." --Mark Twain
Science: I am willing to change my mind if reliable evidence is presented. I will question my own perceptions, and seek answers through further query.
Religion: I will not change my mind even if overwhelming evidence is presented! I will not question my own preconceptions, and I will seek to silence questioning by others!
I believe, you are actually wrong with this one.
While almost all religions have the problem with reversal of burden of proof, there is at least one major religion where your statement does not fit. I think it was Judaism. Or Islamism? I forgot, It was something from the middle east.
Anyway, Christianity works like this "why?" "because mysterious ways, shuddup" and Judaism(?) encourages questioning everything and there is even a phrase that says something like "if something is scientifically proven false, we have to accept that new reality"
Alu Targaryen Considering that it was the Book of Job, written by old Judaism, that most explicitely established the 'don't question! Just be thankful God didn't kill you!' in Abrahamic religions, I wouldn't try to be proud of that religion based on its revised reform interpretation.
The Book of Job is the one where 'God's' reply to 'why' certain things happen is just 'how dare you question me!' A response of threat, not an answer.
ok if you put it like that, it doesn't sound so good anymore :) thanks for clearing that up.
Alu Targaryen I believe that the dalai llama said something similar to what you were saying in your first post.
***** The people in this thread are talking about the methodology one uses when coming to his beliefs about reality. I'm sure you know some very nice religious people, I do too, but that has no bearing on whether their process of forming beliefs is based on superstition or evidence.
I can't believe how many people in the comments don't realize that his comedic dumbing down of the theory of evolution was just that, a dumbed-down version for comedic purposes. I am quite certain that he knows very well that's not how it works.
KreeZafi well.......duh
Maybe it wasn't "dumbed down" enough for them to get it
I think irony would be wasted on you.... aaaah the condencending sarcastic satisfaction i just had...mmmm ooooh there it is again, and again....
no, he's serious, it's a lecture
Fucking tony!!!!!
I swear Tim Minchin looks like a lost cousin of the Addams Family.
Who says he isn't?
I aspire to one day have someone say that about me
He looks like Beetlejuice when he was alive.
@@collegerebel He does indeed Brilliant..
The new film "Wednesday" about to come out in 2023. Can't wait.
Is it ironic that I worship Tim as a god?
Well, at least you know he's real. :D
Like George Carlin used to say that he didn't pray to god, but to Joe Pesci. :)
cw3le Loved that bit!
cw3le Don't forget the sun......why? Because I can see the fucking sun!!.....RIP George
phantumgrey Yes. But, Joe Pesci gets the job done. ;)
lol
God was created by man to explain the existence of feet in the absence of the knowledge of the existence of Tony.
Just too brilliant!
Still has his piano, both of his legs and his wife.
Just sayin', theists...
And James Randi's million dollars is still as safe as ever, after all these decades.
Randi gave up on giving it away because it could be put to better use, if I remember
checkmate xD
I remember, as a kid, thinking it might be a good business idea to create and market a placebo, without advertising it as a placebo, just to help hypochondriacs. I imagined homoeopathy before knowing about it!
Maxim T Potvin You must be an astrologer
Well you can’t overdose on it!
Well you can fucking Drown! 😂😂
Dara O’Brian religion
Heck, call Placeborant! Turns out placebos can work even when the subject KNOWS it's a placebo. Because, idk, squishy, squishy human brains...? ;-)
That's what about 70% of neutraceuticals are. They contain none of what's on the label, too little, or things that shouldn't be there. It's mostly a big scam.
"...maths." Gotta love him
"And imagine what Tony would think, standing there on his brand new feet, on the brink of the beginning of mankind as we know it": "If only I had lungs"
Melody Starling Even though his evolution joke is good, it's so inaccurate!
+Deathbyblackhole I'm pretty sure we have feet... and that we evolved out of sea creatures... and that feet are useful on land...
Dihan Niloy It's still inaccurate...
Deathbyblackhole I just rewatched it and well... I suppose you mean how random mutations as large as a fish growing legs probably didn't happen
Dihan Niloy Yeah these transitions took a long time (as the fossil evidence suggests).
WTF ARE YOU DOING DOWN HERE? go back to the video. Yes, now! go back to the video, it's a shitfest down here.
Thank you.
Yes, but sometimes the shitfest is funny. Especially when people start justifying their beliefs or lack thereof. Some of the mental gymnastics as they twist reality into knots is just hilarious.
ok, thanks for the warning
woah, thank F*** you were here, I nearly did it, I started scrolling. That was close.
welcome to the internet ......
He's extremely educated and logical. Don't hate on him. We're soul mates.
There is a difference between placobos and homeopathic medicine. The price.
Tou doum, tsss.
You know what they call homeopathic concoctions that work?
Medicine.
LOL
Dude 🎶 you are stupid
No. It's called "mind challenged".
Homeopathic medicine is great for treating dehydration. Show me the sugar pill that can do that!
"If anyone can show me one example in the history of the world of a single homeopathic practitioner who's been able to prove under reasonable experimental conditions that solutions made up of infinitely tiny particles of good stuff dissolved repeatedly into relatively huge quantities of water have a consistently higher medicinal value than a similarly administered placebo..."- Tim Minchin
So incredible...
Then I'll give you my piano... Or one of my legs... And my wife"
The fact that he memorized all that and recited it without stuttering even once is fucking insane.
Thank you Tony, for being brave enough to jump out of the water, coming directly under fire from the other fish for doing so, and growing and evolving feet that would later be passed on down the generations to me. I sincerely appreciate it.
About as funny as burning in hell...
...So pretty fucking funny if you think about it.
Was this a joke? Or are you legit offended?
PrinceOfPranks 'Twas a joke.
PrinceOfPranks Did you read the rest of his comment?
Silixtu Hibiski Well hell is for all eternity whereas this is only 10 minutes long. And you can switch this off.
Bogroll T Too right mate.
He's so incredibly natural... you get the feeling that no one went over his speech beforehand to weed out politically incorrect phrases, he just expresses his thoughts. Just for that, he deserves a huge bloody medal, and tons of radio time.
His Albert Hall concert is still one of the all-time great performances.
I loved "Don't drive faster than your angel can fly." Quite funny.
LordKellthe1st
Why not
Tao33316 this is actually close to what I was taught. Though for me it was called staying under the blood( gods blood that he gave in order to forgive your sins). You rise above, go to a bar with friends or hangout with a person of the opposite sex that has a crush on you,vis versa, and you might wake up to find years have passed and you’re an alcoholic or divorced. Fun stuff like that for 9 year olds to learn.
@@marcuspainter4885 That's a sad way to look at what could've been a fun situation. "If you have fun you'll become depressed and an alcoholic by the way!"
@@weebiskey8910 sadly both of you are right, in a way. The blood thing refers to following your truth, whether that be positive or negative.
Well, things can be wrong AND funny.
"I will give you...my piano
one of my legs,
...and my wife!"
I LOVE the little arm-jig he does just before the "and my wife" part! This guy is pretty awesome. I normally hate any kind of comedian's songs, but this cracked me up. First time I've seen any of Tim Minchin's stuff - a fantastic find! ^^
He's a genius. Luv him. So proud he's an Aussie. xx
narlacat68 Don't be too smug! You also gave us Ken Ham!😂
He was actually born in England by Aussie parents then moved bk
Love Kevin Bloody Wilson, his daughter Jenny Talia from Australia oh and Paul Hogan.
Needed this on Easter morning :)
i love his humor and laugh of course, but everything he says is actually very accurate and reasonable. to me at least. i relate to this man. love it
Tim, you are great, and I thank Godlessness for you being here!
Oh, my god, I never knew
He wrote his standup
In rhyming prose
Shows I'm a screw-up
Blind from those
Who are smarter than me
I'm thankful, though
Exactly.
Like Minchin said in the Pope Song:
"I've no problem with the spiritual beliefs of other fuckers, while those beliefs don't impact on the happiness of others" :)
His philosophical AND linguistic genius amaze me.
Tim Minchin makes me laugh! What a brilliant man!
I came here looking for angry Christians
I'm a Christian. But not angry. God bless you!
I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you get well soon.
@@kenelyon795 good for you
@@kenelyon795 I mean that in a positive way. There are too many people who are angry at eachother for a refusal to accept thing that are slightly different. Too few of us have that. Have a wonderful day and if it means anything extra to you Im not religious but I respect your beliefs
@@keylime5281 thank you for the nice cordial comment. I offer the same to you. I reject atheism and agnosticism but I certainly respect those of differing beliefs. I don't think atheists are irrational or unreasonable for their beliefs. And I hope they do not think Christianity to be unreasonable nor irrational. It's a wonderful thing to live in a society where people are free to hold their own private beliefs which differ from others. And so we ought to put forth great effort to make sure free speech and freedom of religion or non-religion is defended.
This man is a genius.
Ok, where do I find the "it's been years and you're allowed to upvote again"-button?
I've just discovered Tim. Now I have religion
The next fish I get I'm naming "fuckin Tony"!
Reading through these comments it's clear that some of you don't understand that you can only get a PhD if your research is completely novel. That's the whole point. Regrettably there is much we still don't know about evolution. Lucky for me that's why my PhD is funded, to investigate the evolution of mitochondrial descendants in eukaryotic parasites. So if anyone is willing to give education a chance, I'd be more than happy to explain why evolution as an occurrence is fact, but the exact mechanism and driving factors currently up for debate.
im an atheist, and my knowledge of biological science is a bit rough around the edges (I barely know the basics... micro/macro evolution. That's all I was taught in school) ... care to explain your field of study? :)
Sure. As you may know, mitochondria are the 'power houses' of the cell, providing the chemicals that provide the energy required for many reactions. In eukaryotic parasites, such as malaria, these mitochondria have been shown to have changed in one way or another. My particular field of study focuses on a close relative of malaria, Cryptosporidium. In these particular parasites the mitochondria have lost all of their own DNA. They are also much smaller and lack the ability to make the energy chemicals (ATP). My exact focus is to see what processes, if any, still exist within this shrunken mitochondria (called a mitosome) and to attempt to show the step by step mutations that occurred, causing the mitochondria to become what it is now. Basically, done people study how 'chimps' became humans, I study how mitochondria became mitosomes.
Hey Christopher! Did you earn your PhD? I'd love to hear more about your findings and how the research went.
Really interesting! I would like to ask purely from an evolution point of view, where are feelings placed? And how shall we interpret it? If it something good for our survival or is it something that we will lose in future? I mean, just an academic thought. Does it have an advantage in survival?
Thanks for the time.
Christopher Miller Is there an example in which an organism gains or adapts their organelles to become more complex? In the mitochondria example there is nothing more complex added on.
This guy is so talented, intelligent and simply fucking awesome.
I love his brain.
Ok I'm just wondering how do Christians know that it was their god that performed said miracle?... Using history, gods have been around for a lot longer than Christianity. So if in fact you have had a "miracle" happen to you do you have proof that it was an act of Christianity's god or that it was not an act from some other, much older religion?
its pretty simple, cuz there's only one God...it/he/she doesnt need a name. humans need names, identites, etc. me being smartass, right? :D I respect all other beliefs...I dont care if people are christians, muslims, atheists. I belive in some things. But let's hear something simple to think about. If we live in the world of cause and consequence...then we come to ...there must be a first cause...but how can there be a first cause? So there must be something eternal...and that I believe is God or whatever u wanna call it...I don't believe it/he/she wants to punish us or whatever...we punish ourselves with what we create :).
Pavel Skop Spinoza?
why is that when ever people talk about how bad religion is they always talk about christianity but never islam or judaism or sikhism hinduism buddism.
Isaac Wilkinson It's easier to focus on one religion, you probably debunk all the others in the process. And Christianity is just the most visible and present religion. (btw for me Christianity, Islam and judaïsm are the same thing with a different label)
Pavel Skop What the original comment is addressing is the fact that throughout history, there have been hundreds, probably thousands of gods/goddesses that were worshipped under different religions. The author of that comment is asking what makes the Judeo-Christian god more "real" than the hundreds/thousands of others that have are "not real?"
Yup.. I really like this dude.
So much beauty. Love to hear your sage comedy words!
This man is brilliant
Atticus Fetch seems really mature now...
Robin Ashe-Roy :) thanks for this comment! This is exactly what he's talking about!
Robin Ashe-Roy I bet Schrodinger's Cat knows more than yours... ;-)
George Jetson That depends, did anyone ever look?
George Jetson Poor kitty :(
IAmNomadical
Schrodinger's Cat was theory only, he didn't participate in any animal abuse :)
"Fuck off" seems reasonable enough to me *shrugs* too tame actually.
Genius. Pure genius.
Tim Minchin... we sang together, years ago, in Cheltenham at the Town Hall !!!! Remember?
If I had the permanent marker it would be
Magic Happens
...And So Does Science
touché
Yeah, and science is replicable and quantifiable and that helps (a lot) with its credibility, ;-)
I love this cool guy !
Evolution bit was absolutely wonderful....
There's a one in 64,000,000 chance that I'll ever watch this again.
Believe in magic, you muggle!
Denisa Mihaela Now THAT was hilarious and spot on! 😂
Our names may sound the same Mihaela
Yes, please! Come to the US, epically after this shit election! Come to Seattle first, we'll be in the front row cheering!
This video was preceeded by an ad by a relious group. Outstanding.
A good scripture that discusses atheism is Psalm 10:4 "The wicked through the pride of his countenance will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts." And King David who wrote that lived around 3,000 years ago, and yes he was very literate by the way.
I would love to see Tim Minchin debating with John Lennox.what a wonderful view that would be!
Refreshing. I believe in the supernatural and the miraculous, and have a strong faith in the Goddess, however: I love this guy. Bravo for anyone who goes against "normal" human inclinations, especially if they are witty and smart.
the cure has really changed their live show up
[cont'd] though, I'm now a 26-year-old Master's Degree student. So, you're preaching to the choir about it being difficult. Granted, I know there are places on Earth where it's far harder to obtain an education than what I experienced, but as for first-world countries, I'd say my education tended toward the difficult side. Sorry for "coming late to the game," as it were! Enjoyed chatting with you. Let's shut up and enjoy the glory that is Tim Minchin :)
I liked his set, but I thought that Tim misrepresented how complex body parts evolve.
They evolve incrementally, being useful in keeping a genome alive till it is able to reproduce.
The flight wings of feathers may have started out as body insulation that had to become more aerodynamic in order to hunt and escape predators, iterating until feathered creatures can glide and fly.
Well he obviously dumbed it down for the sake of the joke
Yeah, I get that, but I think he is misrepresenting evolution to a large audience when the theory is not as clearly understood as it should be.
You really think he doesn't know that..
I don't argue when it comes to religion anymore. Once I saw that ultimately atheism will win, I just ignore religionists. What trend am I seeing? Children are less religious than their parents. The trend is even pronounced to those who have finished college. In 5 to 10 generations, religion will be a fringe movement. Don't you know that just 40 years ago, that's about 2 generations, they were jailing people who go hunting or swimming or mowing lawn or what not on Sundays (lord's day)? Today we look at that sanctimonious practice as ridiculous. Same with eating meat on friday. Religion is dying. Just let it be. Be kind to your parents.
Let's hope no big event will get all humanity back on track to full obscurantism... *cough* coronavirus.
Brilliant lol
Omfg his fishy imitation is hysterical. I'm still laughing.
This is the best thing on TH-cam.
I love how ignorant people are saying atheism is a religion😂😂😂 like atheism is not a belief system, it's the idea that there are no "greater powers" and religion is false, so all these people saying that atheism is a religion they're basically using a double negative."my religion is atheism, my religion is not believing I'm religion" 😂😂😂😂
+ben Saying athetism is a religion is alike saying "OFF" is a TV channel. (read that somewhere)
listening to/reading/watching, in fact, depending on their preferred method of learning - all of those gentlemen have books, e-books, and enough TH-cam videos available to make your head spin :) I wish, when someone was looking down, instead of giving them a Bible, Good Samaritans would give out boxsets of Nova on PBS =D
For some of us, it's more interesting to know how insignificant we are. It means nothing, except that we have so much more to learn, and we can advance so much farther. It doesn't make life any less precious. Life is after all the rarest thing in the known universe.
Tim Minchin is fuckin awesome, but he has evolution all wrong. The changes happen very slowly.. It's not a sudden change from a not having a certain quality to then having it; it's a slow progression. It all depends on selection one gender of the species have with the other gender. More and more selections in a certain direction means the next generation will acquire more chances to have those qualities. For instance if you wanted your genetic lineage to be tall rather than short, have a child with a really tall person. Have one of those kids then have a child with another tall person. Keep doing this every successive generation and eventually your great great great great grand kids will have a very strong chance of being tall just based on genetic odds. This basic understanding, can be applied to almost all genetic traits. Traits does not have a direction. You can easily go in one direction or the reverse depending on selection.
Bluelemonzz do you think he doesn’t know that! it’s what’s called comedy not to taken literally
And then again, there are some jumps too in mutation. It’s not all smoothly gradual selection.
Awww you atheists are so preachy and judgemental.
that sounded awfully preachy and judgemental.
kieran10202 Got him! lol
kieran10202
so if you murder someone, and are proven guilty...that's makes us judgmental. I get it..we have to like and accept what ever ....just what ever as long as it's against life and nature. if you ever see mr.Timmy, tell him to de-lice his hair.
Dude who the fuck is talking about murder in these comments? What kind of self righteous Jesus freak would say such a thing? Go take your religion back over to the fiction section of the book store.
phantumgrey
You clearly don't understand the who what where when and how of religion.
People like you think it's ok to have abortions...which is murder dumbass.
Women's rights are only talked about by men when they want to make sure women can legally have an abortion. That lets men off the hook.
Abortion also is used for the purpose of genocide in all of Africa. DEATH.
Abortion of FEMALES in Asian countries..which in case you don't know includes India..caused such a shortage that they now increased human trafficking, the buying of female human flesh for their sons. DEATH.
Mr.Timmy says he believes a woman "has the right to do what ever she wants with her body". Smart man...she already does. He's no feminist. Trouble is we have a huge population that believes they have the right to have sex with whom ever and when ever. What happens is unwanted pregnancies HIV/AIDS. That's not freedom. That's death.
How about you and your lice infested Mr.Timmy take your beliefs back to the Dark Age, where they came from?
I hope this doesn't accurately represent his view on evolution because if it does, he's wrong. Evolution takes millions of years, nothing just suddenly grows feet. It happens very slowly and they wouldn't need to suddenly learn how to use an extra body part, because it happens so slowly, there is plenty of time to slowly learn what it can be used for.
Hopefully he just put it like that for comedic effect. But it does make atheists look as stupid as creationists think we are.
He was making a simplistic scenario for the sake of the bit. Tim Minchin is a very well educated man, whom I'm sure knows all about our research on evolution.
On evolutionary time scales, a million years *_is_* sudden.
Redstar2613 it's a comedy skit. You're not supposed to think it's his real opinion but to make you laugh. Besides how could an atheist look stupid if compared to creationists, and frankly who would care if reason and logic are the yard sticks atheists use to navigate their lives and magic and superstition drive creationists :)
Oh my god
LMAO ! GEEEEZUS
He's Brilliant!
Minchin is brilliant and funny!!
The problem is not religion itself, the problem is how some people have used it on their own advantage.
American Atheist Comedian who loves your work here!
I came back to this video after seeing somebody on Facebook, referring to Evolution, said "To believe that we just happened rather than being created is just plain stupid."
When and where is this filmed?
Thank you.
Most of us just get tired of pointing out your flaws you and frown enthusiastically when we find out someone we respect is religious.
@kaykko It wasn't created to prevent people from going crazy, it was created as a feeble attempt to extend our lives by providing another life that lasts forever.
@AChefla To put it simply, you're smart. thank you for being on youtube to balance things out. youtube could use more people like you. this would be a much happier place.
Tim Minchin is absolutely amazing.
"This beautiful, complex, wonderfully, unfathomable, natural world?"
It is not often that I hear something as brilliant and clever as "Storm".
He was born to Aussie parents and moved to Australia when he was 2; not enough time for an accent to fully develop due to a very limited vocab at that age. He sounds like a typical Perth lad to me. Also keep in mind that Australia has regional dialects, similar to England and the US. Just a somewhat well spoken guy.
"Both parties attack each other" but it's the theists that start throwing stones or firebombs (depending on the religion in question).
Odin announced an end to all Frost Giants, and I don't see any Frost Giants around...
great upload! On a side note - FSMGauss - finite state machine, Gauss? Cool name ahaha
True Aussie humour. Brilliant.
Assuming an answer to an unanswered question is the silly thing.
No, that's the exact opposite of what I'm afraid of. I am a rational human being who does not know what lies beyond the veil of death and have no curiosity about it whatsoever. So, I would rather spend forever in this world that, as fucked up as it is, I actually understand. I've sat with many, many people on their deathbeds and I have never met one person in my life who was truly "ready to die". There's always something to do, something new to learn and something to experience.
a sense of spirituality can be separated from supernatural nonsense and religion
hit the nail on the head.. "ironically (religion exists) considering all the religious violence in the world."
I know he's Australian. I'm saying he sound very English to me, and he lives now in London, which might be why we sounds a little like that.
When your having a crisis.... and suddenly he says Tony...
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!!
I'm in America, Tim, and I'm not going to be throwing stuff at you in March! Of course, that's the gathering of atheists, so I guess I'll get to see you relaxed.
Holy shit, I'm so excited.
the background laughter seems dubbed like an episode of Friends.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check it out.
2:17 The odds of 1/64,000,000 makes the occurrence rare, but it also tells you how often it DOES happen.
Hate to butt in to another convocation, but I did quite enjoy the irony of the fairly close minded statement "Atheist deny God, therefore they are close minded, simple" in an attempt to show how close minded your adversary is.
I wasn't the original person you were talking to. I just read your comment and thought I should point it out. I guess I should have read more of the conversation....