Ben Wendel & Bob Reynolds Compare Vintage Selmer Saxophones
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Ben is not only a phenomenal saxophonist, he has a LOT of knowledge about horns, necks, and mouthpieces. He shares some helpful insights here, including:
- where he places his mouthpiece on the neck
- how different horns “voice” differently
- making adjustments for intonation on different horns (what makes you in tune on one might make you out of tune on another)
- comparing and contrasting differences between a Selmer Mark VI and Selmer Super Balanced Action (SBA)
- trying modern necks with vintage horns
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Ben Wendel, not unlike Bob Reynolds, is a "Killer" tenor saxophonist in the vein of Michael Brecker, Ernie Watts, Shawn Wallace, Bob Berg [RIP] and Chris Potter...
Bob Reynolds is so UNselfish - never allowing Ego to promote his excellent virtuosity.
"Cooperative Learning" is his thing, I am convinced.
The sound! Ma'aaan, that tenor sound!
Any dedicated youngster who is trained by either Bob or Ben - - -
Oh, boy!
He'll be so lucky.
Thanks for posting, Bob.
Wyndhl in
I feel like I've been in this room with the amount of Vlogs I've watched.
As a saxophonist, i loved this vlog
Pure hornography!
As a bassist I'm intrigued hearing two great saxophonists geek out. A lot of stuff translates!
Lots of different sounds from the various equipment changes. Something tells me you're gonna have opinions... ;) Just keep in mind the microphones and direction we're playing has some effect on the result you hear. Ben knows his stuff!!
Bob Reynolds
Bob, You were quite right 99.89% went straight over my head, but I just love hearing great players blow.Robert.
Your SBA sounds so lively! I really dig it a lot + you sound a lot more "dry" on the Mark VI (which is nice to but I like the jucyness of the SBA a lot!).
Superb demo you guys!! Can you divulge your setups? I haven't heard (no been able to play) the bottom and such clear altissimo!!#$% I usually play a soft reed - so that kills altissimo, fer shur. When I use a harder reed (3 & up) I lose the bottom end.
Hey Bob have you tried the reference 54? If so what do you think off them and how close is it to your SBA or Mark VI?
Two of my favorite sax players. It’s like when superhero worlds converge and you realize they’re all part of the same superhero universe: Batman + Superman!
I love this - I wish more jazz musicians would collaborate on creating and educating. Awesome insights when you get experts in a room together. Thanks!
I recognise Ben as soon as he plays a note. I love his sound so much! And he is a distinctive soloist too!
I'm a sax player from Australia and have recently discovered your videos. Very inspiring, thanks so much!
awesome!
"yeah in addicted to that, I was thinking of sending that to Josh because he doesn't have one..." 2:19
Josh as in Joshua Redman?
assume so
Solid flex
I could watch this for hours. Just post the raw tape and let us binge.
Wonderful vid, thanks so much! Any chance you can comment more about placing the mouthpiece further in than the actual tuning? cheers!
Would love to know more about this..!
i think he does it to stay loose, it forces him to loosen up his embochure
I'm not a sax player but I can watch this all day
Yeeeeess, I especially love when Ben sounds just like Ben on any equipment lol.
Two absurdly great players!!!
I’ve always loved the warmth and darkness of the Mark Vl family.
Hey Bob, this is John Swendseid you might remember me from attending the Retreat a few times. Not that my opinion matters a whole lot, but I think you sound better on the Mark VI. You certainly have a very nice SBA, hearing the quite dramatic difference between Ben's and yours I can see why you are drawn to it. The Mark VI is just the sound I personally identify you with. As soon as I hear a note, my mind relaxes and it's like "yeah... that's Bob." I feel as though the VI lets you build your own color palette to work with, while the SBA almost gives you the whole rainbow at once. Just my 10 cents, I still want to hear you play on a metal mouthpiece :) Hope you're doing awesome man!
Really enjoyed this vlog! It was like being at Berklee all over again in the #150 practice rooms with all the sounds!! Great vlog!
Loved the "edge" that Ben was getting with your SBA palm keys Bob. Man they really do sing! I never wanted the vlog to end haha! #saxnerd
Same, it sounded great! Lots of edge
I keep coming back to the lick at 11:06.
One of my favourite episodes of the vlog just keep coming back love it! its getting to the point that i can remember when you an ben play certain phrases Haha
I met Ben at my school, Western Oregon University! Super down to earth guy. He put on an amazing show, it got me super inspired.
It's so cool to hear the difference in these two players' sounds. When Ben talks about the flat range of the Mark VI (from octave G up), that says a lot about his approach with throat settings and where his tongue is. Also he has that sweet high F key extension bump, I knew it!
Nice to hear the philosophy of jazz theory from a thinking/feeling musician.
I can't get enough of this saxonerdy stuff man
Ben Wendel is my Elvis. Please do more with him. I love listening to him. I want his tone and technique.
+1 saw him during a workshop week, his sound is phenomenal. his powerful mids and evenness in all ranges remind me of a steinway grand haha :D
As a guitar player, I find this video comparing saxophones fascinating!!! This is the same thing that we do! The Guitar Band album is stunning, btw.
Really enjoyed this vlog. Please do more like this in the future!
Sounds like you've been playing the SBA a lot more lately. You're beginning to sound more like "yourself" (how I'm used to hearing you on the VI). Sounds great! This video was a real treat!
Also, great job on Hindsight! Really enjoying the record! Can't wait to hear the last record with Ruslan, Janek, and Chaun!
This video gave me the motivation to try out some KB necks for my Mark VI. They're awesome!
Brightened my day!
Many thanks! ;)
Oh my god, Bob, I waited for this vlog like people wait for new episodes of Game of Thrones, honestly, it's ridiculous.
Actually, I want to buy a Mark VI or SBA soon and just recently read about Ben getting his together with Joshua Redman. Seeing Ben on a Mark VI and your setup + the STM was cool too. I actually was searching the oldest YT videos of Ben to see how he sounds on a VI (there are some old Kneebody videos).
I have some questions, maybe you have a second to answer?
1) What did you guys think about the VI after all? How does Ben like VIs actually?
2) How did you like the KB sax neck on the VI? Did it make a difference for you? I actually really liked your sound that combination a lot!
3) Could you briefly say what are your main points to look at when checking an SBA? Did you get yours alone or would you always take someone experienced with you to test some?
What a great time to be a sax nerd, seeing 2 truely great players geeking around. Thanks for making this video!
That was really interesting. Thanks for sharing that session.
4:48 wow
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As a musician "mostly using the guitar", i really liked this vlog
You could hear very shuttle difference in Ben's tone on Bob's rubber mouthpiece but I actually laughed out loud when he played the metal one haha. They're so fucking good at saxophone!
Great video Bob. Your channel has really been inspiring, and I have learned so much! Thanks!
Watching this I think about the 2 horns I love to death, but kills me knowing I prefer one just that bit more. Bob, you sound great on both...but it’s the VI all day long.
I'll reiterate more than a year later, 'cause man Bob you sound amazing on this setup: MkVI + the KB neck is - like Gordon Ramsay would say - the dogs balls!!
Both these cats have some serious chops! I hope to get half a tone like theirs once start back up. Great vids. Thanks for this :)
Ben: I don't even know how people do this.....proceeds to rip some INCREDIBLE stuff.....both you guys are AMAZING players!!
Man, I need to practice more.
16:00 Was this some funky take on Donna Lee?! :O
I think it was 'I Remember You'
What's amazing is that Ben picked up an Otto 9* and still sounds like him. Its not about the gear alone for really!. Bob, did you feel/ hear a major difference between the neck(s ) (kb )?
It's almost not about gear at all. However, his reaction was interesting. He sounds the same way, but it certainly feels different for him to produce 'his' sound. So gear doesn't produce our sound, but it rather influences how easily we can produce it.
Anyone know what "cheat" equipment Ben has on his horn?
Oleg.
I have to lend you my Jupiter JTS 587-585 to enjoy the sound ;)
Ben's favourite shirt without a doubt :p
Thank you for the video Bob! Illuminating video on both models. I like the Mark VI altos but tenors seem too scuzzy for my own liking. SBA sounds great, though.
One of my favorite vlogs of yours.
Very interesting indeed! I am a weekend church sax player and have noticed over the years some of the same things mentioned here, but never knew how to put words to it. I have a 1960 Buffet Super Dynaction alto and it has different tonalities through the register of the horn. My early 1980's Selmer USA "Omega" tenor is more even around the horn. It would be fun to experiment like that just to see how the feel changes.
masapell Hey man, I'm trying to get into playing with my church praise band on alto. Do you play lead stuff or background? I'm looking to just play background stuff but wonder how to fit it in with the group which is mainly guitar, bass, piano, drums, synth and vocals. Any advice?
Aaron Moseley I am a supporter of the "less is more" approach. I am there to add color to the songs. So, since most of the songs (maybe all of the songs!) do not have a saxophone, I try to pick interesting parts that may or may not be covered by the band (assuming you are not doing originals). So maybe a keyboard/synth lick, or doubling a guitar lick, always keeping in mind the space of other players. Also, also tend to do vocal lines, either lead or harmony, during chorus and/or build sections. Sometimes I insert myself in the places of space between vocals, such as verses, always trying to remain aware of the "feeling" or "mood" of the song. I mostly don't do anything flashy or technical, as the songs we do usually don't warrant them, but I can, on occasion, use altissimo effectively.
Last week I played for a friend of mine who is a very talented songwriter/worship pastor and we did "September" by Earth, Wind and Fire. That was a rare moment where I didn't have to guess at what I would be doing!
Always remember that you are there for His purpose and to lead the congregation. If that means hanging out or grabbing an auxiliary percussion piece or quietly exiting the back of the stage, so be it! After years of doing it and being 47, I have finally found my place in the worship band :)
Good luck!
masapell thanks a lot for the info! Do you have any worship bands you listen to that have saxophone in it on a regular or semi-regular basis?
Aaron Moseley - I have not really heard anything in the ones that we play. We do a lot of Hillsong, Kari Jobe, Phil Wickham, etc.. I have not run across any horn parts. More saxophone in gospel, it seems. But, I think that is what makes my job in the band unique. I get to create what isn't there. I get lots of compliments all the time, many from the older generation who grew up with the saxophone in contemporary music and the occasional kid in high school band. I am not, however, at any stellar level and no where near Bob's level. But, I must be doing something right in the "less is more" approach, as I have been asked to play with some stellar musicians before and I am a weekend warrior who didn't "get it" until much later in life.
Since I grew up in the 70's and 80's, I have a great perspective on the rock/love song sax solos. David Sanborn, Michael Brecker, Pete Christlieb, Tom Scott, etc.. Just Google sax solos of the 80's and you will get where I am coming from. That is what I do in church. It's what my ear hears :)
That was an awesome video. It would be interesting to have a legendary sax tech weigh in on this. Could the SBA be tweaked for more evenness? Could it be a setup issue? You guys both sound phenomenal and have me running to the 'shed. Groove on!!!
Check out SHwoodwind, Steve really knows how saxophones work.
Thanks for the info, Matthew. Will definitely check it out!
I think this guys have their horns setup by top pros
I'm not a horn player, but it's always good to know more about an instrument that you don't play.
Ben sounds like Ben even when playing your setup! Shit. I guess I'm going to have to practice!!
So interesting, on Bobs SBA, it almost doesn’t even sound like Ben. I’m so used to the softer high end in his playing rather than the “sizzle”. I figured that was just his style and not the horn.
Late to the video - but could you either/both identify the mouthpiece and reed each is playing? Thanks
This is what we are here for
What is Bens mpc and Reed on tenor
Morgan Jazz .116 w/ #2 reed I’m pretty sure.
I think this is still on his Reso and he played Rico Jazz Select 3M I think at the time.
Hi Bob! How do you creat your movies???? Camara? Microphones? Phone? Etc etc...Thanks? The best way to capture the sound and image in this type of videos (saxophonists)
Maaan OMG! My favorite episode by far. At the end it gives you this will to jump from the chair and start playing something. Unfortunately, I don't know how to play, but I'm thinking in change that. About sound goes, I really liked that new neck with the SBA. Did you like it at all?
This video was up when I opened my internet and then all of a sudden fifteen minutes passed.... What? (P.S. What do you think about the "K.B. Necks"?)
Opened your internet? Ok...
Now if I can only hit those altissimo notes like you guys do on my mark VI tenor, loved the blog
So much butter sound, it's like watching an episode of Paula Deen.
man, I could sit through and an hour of this geekage and it would not seem long.
I have been told that every horn has a different match in mouthpiece.
Perhaps the SBA has not found what its looking for.
On the other had, you seem to have missed the curse of looking for the mouthpiece holy grail!
Sounds like you will be going back to the VI?
Excellent!
Boring question alert: saw a video of you soaking rico royal reeds... do you still play those?
+nteimoori I do
I enjoyed this vlog very much. Also I don't play saxophone. :)
Oh man. Hearing the differences between necks is quite astounding and hearing how a modern neck can even out the tonality of a vintage horn is quite remarkable! EARS=BLOWN! :)
Ben's sound is massive, but Bob's is so clean and smooth. I wonder if bob knows a cat named Sean Reeser. That guys sound is super killin.
Yeahhhhhh! Good sax players! GOD Bless!
Who's neck tenon got dented at 14:08?
So what is that other horn sitting besides the couch?
I'm a year late, but, if you're still curious, it is a Soprano sax. It is pitched an octave up from a tenor.
Might we may see a KneePuppy or Snarky Body collaboration soon? :-)
Color me crazy, but the little bit that Ben played on your metal Link.....I thought he sounded great. I think we all know your setup ('piece) Bob, but what is/does Ben play on?
Ben definitely sounded (and looked) winded playing your rubber Link! He's right.....in the end, it's ALL about what we're used to. Great geek vlog. ;-)
Used to be Otto Link Reso Tone. Now it is a Slant 8.
Whats the song he plays at 10:52
Silly question... are you a judoka? It appears you have a nage waza poster on your studio door. If so, yet another reason to like you! PS - Just listened to the Hindsight CD that Sydnee got from you at the Baked Potato... loved it! PPS - I know, #whereisyourpicture?
What is Ben's mouthpiece？
It's an Otto Link Reso Chamber 7*.
But the real question is that can any of you guys play careless whisper?…see. I got you!
14:20 - "ok, we kissed now"
Thanks a lot for sharing!!
Well, since each Steinway piano sounds different, I knew only one piano player ( Michelangeli Benedetti, who was a famous Italian piano Player) traveling with two Steinways and choosing the one which did for his ear sound better in the reticular cancer hall. All others had to players, no matter how famous they were/are have to play on whatever piano was there. In y humble opinion I do not see the sense of this tests. Especially that depending the player all instrument are quite in tune and with his colleague much less. Also one of this players does sound. practically the same on all horns, which is not the case for the other. Yes Ben knows his stuff :-)
Is it weird for horn players to play each other's instruments? Cause of the whole mouth thing. Asking as a guitarist.
There is no saliva in the sax, only condensate. The mouthpiece is a different thing, that's why you wash it before giving it to someone else.
9:54 Mario cart lick ahead of its time
Great video bob...it's really educating...please can you do a video on altissimo? would really love to get your response soonest...
Not long enough!!
Ben Wendel's tone was fuller and richer on Bob's SBA... no?
Gratuitous advice for Bob's SBA setup, buy your SBA a Tone Edge EB 9, those things like each other. Babbitt have released a special edition rubber EB, you can order your tip size:9. Do what the anonymous youtube nitwit says...
There's no such thing as geeking to long on saxes LOL ;)
Did you and Ben meet at Berklee?
Hogan Records Ben actually went to Eastman.
I wonder if ‘Trane, Hawk, Getz, etc, ever did something like this. Kind of like watching Golden Gloves candidates debate the merits of being a world champion. Fails to take account of the far superior materials used on older horns.
THANK YOU
What neck is it
bahb renoldes
Bob's SBA seems more vulnerable or emotional...the Mark 6 is more business more in tune, but it looses some temperament or emotion. The player is supposed to be in charege, not really the horn? Mark 6; jack of all trades. BUT sax players like to be sexy, and sometimes the chicks like to see a man's more vulnerable side... for what it's worth, my ear says Bob's SBA is a keeper.)
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Ben's SBA wins
Um can I have one of those saxophones?? 😂😂😂 I cant afford a professional model yet
SBA
is that your son?
It's time for bed Antartica and Callimari