The Joe and Rika Mansueto Library: How It Works
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 พ.ค. 2011
- The new Joe and Rika Mansueto Library at the University of Chicago houses cutting-edge facilities for preservation and digitization of physical books, as well as a high-density underground storage system with the capacity to hold 3.5 million volume equivalents. With its soaring elliptical dome and prime location on campus, the Mansueto Library's Grand Reading Room, which opens May 16, 2011, provides an inviting space for rigorous scholarship in an array of fields.
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The new system brings up a bin of your book and many similar books. The student can look at this bin and pick out the book they requested, but also see the books that would be around it in stacks. This way the students can stumble upon books, much like in a normal library.
Remember that, while the University of Chicago designed this library, other schools, such as Columbia and Harvard, simply moved extra books off campus to a remote location, so it takes 24+ hours to get a book you order.
I love all these comments like "How stupid, they obviously should have done X instead," as if the U of C chose this design by throwing darts at a board instead of a lengthy, careful, cost-benefit analysis.
truly revolutionary, i am in awe.
From the thumbnail I was led to believe that the books would be led around the edge of the library on a conveyor belt.
But this is cool too!
Oh. My. GAWD! It's like door storage in "Monsters, Inc." :)
Joe and Rika Mansueto Library at the University of Chicago: uma das bibliotecas mais interessantes que já conheci. Ainda não vi melhor solução para armazenamento do acervo. E o dome é deslumbrante!
Wow I love this!
Only at UC would they have something so incredible
That is wonderful !
@foxbearturtlegator Libraries were constructed with a maximum capacity. The excessive holdings (usually past periodicals and journals since main libraries only keep current issues) are usually moved to the storage library off-campus. When you need them you have to make an electronic request and wait a day for them to be retrieved and sent to the campus.
@christophla The common characteristic between all of the books in Mansueto is that they are all digitally indexed and can be found online. The storage site allows students who want the actual book to still be able to access it while, at the same time, opening up space in a library that was already far over-capacity.
In the dark ages when I was an undergraduate at UChicago, there was a tool called a shelf list. While not so helpful as browsing the stacks, a shelf list gives one at least the authors & titles of books within a range of call numbers. Surely with computers such a list is available or can be readily generated.
A successful researcher-in-training learns where to look, whom to ask, how to compile bibliographies, to ask better questions, to overcome obstacles & put frustration to good use.
I could probably sit in this library and read for hours.
@Lightice1Yes, you can't do academic research by shelf-reading a library, but I find a surprising number of useful books through targeted browsing. Knowing the location of one good book gives the location of a shelf of similar books. Most library search systems replicate this by including an option to browse by call number as well, but for me it's more useful to browse through the related books for information.
This is so cool!!!
That is amazing
@andybmallon I believe it is more difficult and expensive to attach RFID labels to books than barcodes, especially when many of the books going into Mansueto are in storage and have not yet been barcoded (or sometimes even entered into the electronic catalog). Besides, the books in Mansueto aren't expected to circulate as often as most books in a public library, so the speed of RFID isn't necessary.
So cool...
@dabooblabob It was either this or create an off-site library that would STILL keep you from flipping through the books on the shelves. The Regenstein (along with other collections) was considered to be over-filled, and technically did not have enough room to efficiently supply new books. So now the books are at least still on campus (though they can also all be "flipped through" online), and students can instead browse new books that will probably be more relevant.
@supermatthew222 Sorry ran out of space :) Also consider that robots have far more moving parts than hard disks if you go the hard disk route. Over the years storage has become more reliable and cheaper and that is a continuing trend. Several companies are moving books to the cloud because it just makes sense
@foxbearturtlegator Now with mansueto, you can get them immediately. Mansueto is designed to hold 3.5 million volumes. I guess the storage library of UChicago would hold up to 1-1.5 million, so these volumes will be transferred to the new library, and the holdings in the main libraries such as Regenstein would largely be left untouched. So this is not really destroying the browsing experience, for without the library one cannot have immediate access to them either.
Very Well!!!
i guess it saves a bit of time. looks cool.
i wonder how much energy it tastes to move those huge cranes around all the time and how much it will cost to keep them running efficiently, and how much it cost to build the underground database.
@dabooblabob I didn't say that it would replace browsing the stacks (of course it doesn't), I said that it was either having the books on the site stored underground or having it in off-site storage. I'd imagine that picking up the book five minutes later and realizing it wasn't actually useful would be a lot better than realizing it hours, even a day, later.
And like predicto said, the books stored are not "popular." It's just possible that the new books might be more relevant.
That 3d model reminded me of the first Resident Evil movie and creeped me out
@zzl01 If I understand you correctly, only the serial volumes are going into these closed reserves. That's much more understandable. I only wish the video made that clear.
omgfacts, anyone? This is awesome!!!
@supermatthew222 Hence redundant storage; data on the cloud does not sit on one machine and wait till the storage device goes bad. The bigger picture is accessibility by everyone, everywhere and forever.
I wonder how much energy it consumes, and are the books kept in the same bin all the time or they are randomly assigned once they have retrieved?
This storage system was designed so that U of C could keep all of its books on campus. The alternatives would have been moving lesser used books into storage facilities off campus, throwing them away, or selling them. The university choose the ability to better preserve older books and drastically increase its carrying capacity, but yes there is the cost of increasing energy use and losing ability to physically "stumble" upon related titles. Engineering is tradeoffs.
Looking at the future of underground storage in an emergency situation, does this library require power to keep it drained?
@foxbearturtlegator I agree. The technology is impressive, but serendipitous browsing is important even in research libraries.
@supermatthew222 Fair enough but if you convert the present value of the cost of the project as a perpetual annuity at a reasonable interest rate + annual labor + maintenance, you will realize a fairly high annual sum. Compare that cost to dumping everything on a $1.50/Gb cloud for storage and a few cents for bandwidth. Add a software platform to distribute the whole thing also annualized C, are you will see that digitizing is not a bad option.Disasters do happen: fires, robots malfunction.
I'm impressed and dismayed. Efficient storage, but a loss in serendipitous browsing.
I need something like this to store my things, my house is already full of important things
(junk)
@foxbearturtlegator Browsing is for the public libraries. You never find anything from university libraries without some idea what you are looking for, and just browsing randomly probably yields only boring tomes from fields completely outside your interest or comprehension.
Amazing gigantic..... hard drive?
@AHW214 Ereaders have ergonomic limitations that are particularly obvious when doing research. The worst of these are the inability to flip back and forth between two non-sequential pages, and the lack of page numbers for citations. These are solvable problems, but it needs time to evolve to something as intuitive as the bound book.
@LFDOG & to all the other similar comments... "copyrights prevent many full-text volumes from being posted online, leaving a lot of information trapped on paper." from wired's "Robots Retrieve Books in University of Chicago’s New, Futuristic Library"
You can't fool me. Cthulhu lives there.
How did they do the intro?
A biblioteca do futuro! Pena que uma biblioteca dessa está para o Brasil, assim como a honestidade está para a política nacional.
What happens if the dome breaks and then it rains?
Helmut Jahn is a genius...
@LincMclaren
i prefer an actual book over an eReader. just sayin'
@MrYousafBajwa so it floods?
@ConcealRise What are you doing in a library when force fail
putting all those books in all those bins must have been a bittcccchhhhhh
What could possibly go wrong?
@foxbearturtlegator They should institute a random resource function, similar to Wikipedia's random article function.
@Hardyman1966 I so thought that too!!!
They can't scan the items into a computer because of copyright law.
WIZARDS
What if i want multiple books? o_O
@swhite58 Google has already digitized many books (some of these, no doubt). They had cameras set up w/ suction vacuums to turn pages, should take under 5 minutes if lot of photos/high res, but less for books w/ text & OCR. I'm a critic of this. I'd prefer many large interactive screens w/ Apple coverflow-ish UI, and sell the physical books. Maybe copyright is an issue with digitizing, unfortunately. Either way, the lady at 1:24 doesn't belong in a highly technologicaly advanced society.
@whoishober So let's change copyright laws. Shouldn't we be moving towards a system of copyright that recognizes we are not living in 1920 and respects the rights of the creators? It can be done and needs to be. Is it not in the best interests of everyone involved to allow a creative product to be made as widely available as possible? For knowledge? For the profit of the creator? I'm not suggesting that everyone gets their books free. I'm suggesting we free books from their paper prison!
I really really miss my alma mater.
I watched rap god and I remembered this
@Hardyman1966
i was JUST about to say that XD
If only they could do this for Gamestop...
Although... as critical as I am of the physical books. I would change my mind if it was steam powered.
@bludstone its all underground
@swhite58 Notice the ":P" face, I was joking, mate.
errrr... why don't they just scan all the books
Mava 314 için geldiyseniz çok geç hacı ben kaptım =p
OR... WE CAN JUST READ BOOKS ONLINE -_-
I guess this is the solution to all the Bookstores and Libraries shutting down
Has anyone ever thought of just scanning all the books into digital form and then allowing for simultaneous access over a global inter-connected network? We could call them "E-books" and call the inter-connected network the "Internet".
..........why not just store the books digitally?
When the power fails, things are going to get problematic.
Why not just Google it? :P
In this day and age of ipads and kindles we're still building massive systems for storing and retrieving books? I bet you could have spent 1/4 of that money to digitize all those books and have them readily available to everyone and forever smh
Y U NO USE INTERNET?
That is extremely inefficient, and will be far too slow to serve the needs of the people.
a retrieval system consisting of numerous ceiling-mounted crate grabbers would be much more efficient. The crates would likely have to be smaller, but with the cranes mounted on the ceiling, more crates could be retrieved at once.
-there are 29 people in line, please wait 19 minutes for your book to arrive.
A powered machine has to move over 100 pounds of books each time one book is requested. That seems rather wasteful.
doesnt really make for serendipitous browsing......
But its not importnant!
I could design a better system.
Such an incredible waste.