How would rim brake work on carbon wheels? I heard braking power is not the same and they pads wear off quite quick and in time, might even delaminate the carbon. I'm be wrong though.
@@JPGENARI the carbon wheels the only defect is in rainy weather. Personally, I have several pairs of wheels to change during the seasons but the only advantage I see in discs is that they don't break the wheel's braking track, but for the rest, rim brake bikes are better in every way, the bike is much lighter, less maintenance, there is no noise from the disc touching the pads, in fact those who have disc bikes only think about brake problems, unlike rim brake bikes where we don't even remember that we have brakes.
@@danielPrologo1 in fact, I have my bike for 4 years, never had any issue with its brakes (105 rim brakes) and never felt lack of power when braking. As said, my only concern was regarding upgrading to carbon wheels and facing the problems I mentioned - by the way, could you explain more about 'they don't break the wheel's braking track' ? - hence I'm on alloy rims. When I get a new bike, I will have to get it with discs cause I'm planning to get a Di2 which doesn't come with rim brakes anymore.
Pure Roadies those in the know from the rim brake era Cannondale Supersix Evo Is what a bike should be, light, fast, agile, responsive, great in high winds. These are like hens teeth now. Would love to see Cannondale make an anniversary rim brake edition.
Having owned every SuperSix EVO since inception (and the original SystemSix and the Six13 before it), and having ridden every CAAD up to the CAAD12 ... i've gotta say the CAAD12 (rim version) is the best of the bunch.
I don't understand the logic of "parts bin build" on a heavily modified frame. Although a 600g modified SS evo frame is impressive, but a stock frame without paint is already as low as 700g. Instead of shaving carbon from the frame, there are apparently many low hanging fruits to reduce the weight of this bike. Lighter parts such as THM, Darimo, custom wheels, custom saddle-post one-piece combo... Are flat bar bikes allowed in UK hill climb races? I've seen many nice sub-5kg bikes for these races, but not spotted any flat bar, which should save some more weight.
i assume he wanted to have it built quickly. this way, he can test ride and then decide which parts he wants to put on. he doesn't seem to just be counting grams for the sake of it.
There was one time I was in a bike shop and saw a second-generation SuperSix EVO. Not only is it still brand new, it's also my size! I was shocked speechless at that time.
Oscar went into more detail in his written piece, but an ultrasound depth check shows them where they can skim off some carbon - www.bikeradar.com/features/pro-bike/andrew-feather-cannondale-supersix-evo
5kgs! Pretty incredible. Always wondered how a bike this light would feel next to my 7.6kg one. That rim brake bike is a work of art really. Love the simplicity of the brakes, seat post, stem, and handlebars. All easily adjustable, fine tuned, or changed at home in a few minutes really. And also love the fact it doesn't look like all the other modern bikes with the drop seat stays etc. Those colourful anodised brakes are also another nice touch against the matt black frame.
I have two caad 12’s because I love the frame design so much..really fun feeling ride too! But I’d love to have a lab71 just to experience that level of responsiveness
Would be very curious to see testing between the two bikes. That lab 71 was stupid light already, so then maybe it indeed is faster because it's stiffer? But also that supersix rim was peak rim brake, so may have been plenty stiff? The tyres would have to the same ofc to mean anything. But really, really cool build. Fitting for a boy named feather, too.
They can also damage the down tube of some framesets when it's steered all the way. Shimano's rim brakes at least have a rubber bumper, the eeBrakes are just aluminium ramming into the frame.
This is the reason we need to have UCI min weight. These stupid guys removed a layer of carbon! It is one of the most dangerous supersix bike to ride with, ...
For the real world, I’d take the Lab 71. The lighter bike would be marginally better going up the hill, but the aero, disc, solid yet compliant bike would give me much more confidence on the way back down.
i get the paint removal. but the removal of excess carbon has me concerned. Granted he'll only go uphill...but this bike most certainly will have a limited life....and those brakes are historically absolutely terrible
@@stevemiell4555 Yes, particularly when riding steep uphill and out of the saddle, this angle makes even less sense to me :). I would assume they need to be set even lower than the normal neutral position to compensate for the bike angle and standing above the handlebars. But it definitely works for him-amazing performance.
But what about descending? MTB got slacker. Motorcycles are slacker. I wonder if a longer slacker rigid bike with 2.0-2.4 slicks might be much better descending. My commuter definitely felt very nervous above 50 kmh. My rim brakes weren't the issue either but grip and the point of going over the bars were limiting, with 1.4 Tyres. Need to see a hillbomb bike. Perhaps a rigid Xc mtb with wtb thickslicks?
Bikes with more fork trail are indeed more stable at higher speeds. Road-oriented bikes have shorter fork trail to quicken steering response at the cost of high-speed stability, though I'm not too sure about urban commuter bikes.
As time goes by, we might see bikes evolve by years, but you can always surely see cannondale Supersix shines every year!
Best Frame ever made if you dont need more than 25mm tire in the rear.
Not every year -- this frameset is no newer than 2020. This is the classic race geometry inspired from the CAAD framesets.
@JNorth87 that frame fits a 28mm no worries...
Rim FTW!
PS: Set up that righ hand brake pad higher on the rear please. ;)
1 year on the disc and hes back on the rim for the climbs!
Love the Super Six. What a purpose built machine. Damn!!!
5.080 wet. Reckon its sub 5 if you dried it off
ditch the power meter/di2
@@marklydall8635 and change it to sram red 22 . big weight savings
Give Andrew a hug please.
Always rim brake
How would rim brake work on carbon wheels? I heard braking power is not the same and they pads wear off quite quick and in time, might even delaminate the carbon. I'm be wrong though.
@@JPGENARI the carbon wheels the only defect is in rainy weather. Personally, I have several pairs of wheels to change during the seasons but the only advantage I see in discs is that they don't break the wheel's braking track, but for the rest, rim brake bikes are better in every way, the bike is much lighter, less maintenance, there is no noise from the disc touching the pads, in fact those who have disc bikes only think about brake problems, unlike rim brake bikes where we don't even remember that we have brakes.
@@danielPrologo1 in fact, I have my bike for 4 years, never had any issue with its brakes (105 rim brakes) and never felt lack of power when braking. As said, my only concern was regarding upgrading to carbon wheels and facing the problems I mentioned - by the way, could you explain more about 'they don't break the wheel's braking track' ? - hence I'm on alloy rims. When I get a new bike, I will have to get it with discs cause I'm planning to get a Di2 which doesn't come with rim brakes anymore.
Pure Roadies those in the know from the rim brake era Cannondale Supersix Evo Is what a bike should be, light, fast, agile, responsive, great in high winds. These are like hens teeth now.
Would love to see Cannondale make an anniversary rim brake edition.
yep. nostalgia is high with this bike
I don't ride mine anymore, but I won't sell mine either.
Having owned every SuperSix EVO since inception (and the original SystemSix and the Six13 before it), and having ridden every CAAD up to the CAAD12 ... i've gotta say the CAAD12 (rim version) is the best of the bunch.
@@zoso73 I agree the CAAD12 feels well balanced, makes you want to get out the saddle and give it some.
I don't understand the logic of "parts bin build" on a heavily modified frame. Although a 600g modified SS evo frame is impressive, but a stock frame without paint is already as low as 700g. Instead of shaving carbon from the frame, there are apparently many low hanging fruits to reduce the weight of this bike. Lighter parts such as THM, Darimo, custom wheels, custom saddle-post one-piece combo...
Are flat bar bikes allowed in UK hill climb races? I've seen many nice sub-5kg bikes for these races, but not spotted any flat bar, which should save some more weight.
i assume he wanted to have it built quickly. this way, he can test ride and then decide which parts he wants to put on. he doesn't seem to just be counting grams for the sake of it.
All your bikes were made in Taiwan or Asia.
I have 29 bikes.
Few were made HERE.
andrew rides a lot racking up koms all the time he uses this bike, for racing he has to use the disc for his sponsors. that says something
More Jack Luke!
More niche steel bikes with rim brakes!
Thank you. 😊
fitting surname
nominative determinism at work!
As a rider of a 2012 supersix evo ultimate, its always good to see a traditional rim brake hill climb bike.
There was one time I was in a bike shop and saw a second-generation SuperSix EVO. Not only is it still brand new, it's also my size!
I was shocked speechless at that time.
Sorry what calc or software are the company using to measure wall thickness?! What you showed is a 3d scan of the outside
I would assume ultrasound points mapped onto the external scan and projected inwards to create internal surfaces.
Oscar went into more detail in his written piece, but an ultrasound depth check shows them where they can skim off some carbon - www.bikeradar.com/features/pro-bike/andrew-feather-cannondale-supersix-evo
@@bikeradar nice!
he does not need the brakes though when he intends to only go up. 🤣
5kgs! Pretty incredible. Always wondered how a bike this light would feel next to my 7.6kg one. That rim brake bike is a work of art really. Love the simplicity of the brakes, seat post, stem, and handlebars. All easily adjustable, fine tuned, or changed at home in a few minutes really. And also love the fact it doesn't look like all the other modern bikes with the drop seat stays etc. Those colourful anodised brakes are also another nice touch against the matt black frame.
There’s a reason why Andrew keeps coming back to a Cannondale generation 2 SuperSix Evo
11.2 pounds. 🤣🤣🤣 Amazing!!! Rim Brakes Matter!
39-28? Man he must be strong.
The guy is one of the best climber of the world.
What a coincidence i just watched your winning bike with disc brakes in the Struggle national hill climb 2023..
If you're racing up a hill do you really need brakes?
Hill Climb rule dictate you have to have them
Put the real expander plug Andrew there,please,you'r gona brake your neck
Went back to rim brakes
If its a pure hill climb, why not remove the front brake.
Could be the rules, two Brakes....Maybe?
I have two caad 12’s because I love the frame design so much..really fun feeling ride too! But I’d love to have a lab71 just to experience that level of responsiveness
I guess it doesn’t hurt so much if your frame breaks when you ride uphill 😂
SRAM Red mech and a THM crank it would be 4.5kg
So he is switching back to rim brakes eh?
this is not the lightest SSE.
My SSE Hi-Mod is 4.5kg only and it can reach 4.2-4.3kg once I change my tires and set it up as 1x
I ride a SuperSix Evo with disc brakes but I've got to say that I love this classic rim brake bike.
Brakes look low on the rim.
Sram Red 10speed and dry it from the Rain. You will go to 4.7kg
Not sure I get the logic of removing 200g of carbon fibre from a frame but keeping a power meter.
especially a heavy spider one.
Sounds like Jen from IT Crowd saying computer
Would be very curious to see testing between the two bikes. That lab 71 was stupid light already, so then maybe it indeed is faster because it's stiffer? But also that supersix rim was peak rim brake, so may have been plenty stiff? The tyres would have to the same ofc to mean anything.
But really, really cool build.
Fitting for a boy named feather, too.
yeah .that LAB71 is light. but that model of SSE HM is lighter. i think he answered why he didnt chose LAB71
Those Cane Creek rim brakes although they look gorgeous, at $400 or more they certainly leave some sour taste.
They can also damage the down tube of some framesets when it's steered all the way. Shimano's rim brakes at least have a rubber bumper, the eeBrakes are just aluminium ramming into the frame.
This is the reason we need to have UCI min weight. These stupid guys removed a layer of carbon! It is one of the most dangerous supersix bike to ride with, ...
It's made for uphill only
In the real world, I'd take the modern bike.
But I love my old SuperSix so much that I won't part with it.
Front mech plate still there!! Rgr
As it’s riveted on, it’s probably structural at this point! 😂
@@rob-c. A bandaid is lighter and would do the same job!! Rgr
So much nicer than that lab71 lol
Supersix evo every time!
For the real world, I’d take the Lab 71. The lighter bike would be marginally better going up the hill, but the aero, disc, solid yet compliant bike would give me much more confidence on the way back down.
i get the paint removal. but the removal of excess carbon has me concerned. Granted he'll only go uphill...but this bike most certainly will have a limited life....and those brakes are historically absolutely terrible
5.080kg for a all wet bike actually....🤣could be saving a few more grams if it was a sunny day....
I had a supersix like that, regrett selling it to this day😢
I have the same brake from alixpress, brake good, not as same at shimano, but for the price and weight its worth it.
You forgot to count 80 grams of water drops😂
The rain water on the bike would weigh more than 80g just saying
Hi hi
new one all the way. that one is basically a single use case while the other is ridable everywhere.
That cassette looks like it has some excess metal. Job for next year?
Wanna get a pair of carbon rim brakes wheel set. Wanna ask you all will it harder to brake when it is wet?
Yes I would not trust going downhill in the wet with carbon brake tracks
@@xfg007 Guess I should keep using my aluminum wheels
Depends on your wheel and pad combo. My campy Bora wto wheels with campy red pads are great in all conditions wet or dry no issues 4 years on now
I want to see some lightweight shoes. And drilled out helmet.
Aside from all the other religious debates… This hoods positioning looks especially disturbing.
If it works for him ...
If you've ever watched him climb, at an amazing pace, you'd know he rides out of the saddle always, hence the hoods...
@@stevemiell4555
@@stevemiell4555 Yes, particularly when riding steep uphill and out of the saddle, this angle makes even less sense to me :). I would assume they need to be set even lower than the normal neutral position to compensate for the bike angle and standing above the handlebars. But it definitely works for him-amazing performance.
Great chat on Path Less Pedaled. Well done on your channel. I think you might have something here.
But what about descending? MTB got slacker. Motorcycles are slacker. I wonder if a longer slacker rigid bike with 2.0-2.4 slicks might be much better descending. My commuter definitely felt very nervous above 50 kmh. My rim brakes weren't the issue either but grip and the point of going over the bars were limiting, with 1.4 Tyres. Need to see a hillbomb bike. Perhaps a rigid Xc mtb with wtb thickslicks?
Bikes with more fork trail are indeed more stable at higher speeds. Road-oriented bikes have shorter fork trail to quicken steering response at the cost of high-speed stability, though I'm not too sure about urban commuter bikes.
5.08 Kg wet, 4.99 Kg dry 😅
Feels like it’s going to break, maybe that’s why cannondale put that extra carbon on it 😅
I built an aethos at 5.15.. remove the bartape as he has, and it’s the same weight.. disk clincher wheels with original paint😎
No plugged handlebar ends?
My SuperSix Black Inc frames is 680 grams without any mods. (size 52). Complete build is 4400g...including 50/34 SiSL2 cranks w/ Stages (RIP)....
ill never understand the taint squeezing and smashing through the hole of a seat.
sehr schöner hobel!
Is it me or are tge rear brake pads set not really over /aligning with the brake surface of the rim?
Not Crazy at all and the stem bolts look terribly stripped. His bike mechanic does not like him.
Those cane creek brakes are aliexpress fakes!
Nah they look legit going by the bolts / details.
Look legit.
rim brake 🤮
First😊
Need to convert to Disc brake
All a bit OTT just to ride uphill........More Weightweenie nonsense!!
How can you say “Weightweenie nonsense” in the same sentence as “just to ride uphill” 🤦♂️
Not just to ride up the hill, but to WIN the race up the hill. Andrew Feather is a hill climb champion.