All the best to you Robert to get better quickly. I spent 20 plus years in R&D, could hardly enjoy more your practical experiments and applications. Keep up the good work. You got me hooked to duplicate some super capacitors! Cheers...
+Robert Murray-Smith , Funny to be in black and white, would have been cool to see the color of the flame for a little eyeball spectroscopic interpretation. After steam, what gasses evolve?
Did you also think the cup also might affect the rapidness of the reaction? To me it kind of seems that the liquid went to the bottom and start the process from the bottom on up. Maybe try it on a flat surface? And see if a more open area would help with a quicker reaction?
hi Rob, I can't remember if I sent you this by email, so here goes... Two of his videos mention Cl2O7 (one he has hand-written and flashes on screen momentarily, and the other is written in the video description, along with NaCl and some other obfuscation about slowing down the reaction to avoid explosion?!?!?) In case you plan to tweak your approach. Cheers!
Fascinating Robert! Thanks for the video. There's gotta be some sulphuric acid somewhere in that mixture. Reminds me of the sugar + sulphuric acid trick. Keep em coming!
***** I was joking mate and i think Dave was too- there is no sulphuric acid in there - it's safe to touch - which is why i stick my finger in the solution
Hi Robert LOL don't hold your breath waiting for the 10 million, great to see your back, hope you will be better soon, interesting demonstration Regards Mike.
I think it might be potassium permanganate intercolation and glycerine or ethylene glycol to get the reaction started. perhaps victor used hydrogen peroxide as his seemed to explode rather than slow start. It should also be possible to use potassium nitrate and maybe hydrogen peroxide, but i think that you may have to start that one with a flame. i think basically you need an oxidizer in a low molar ratio to carbon so it burns/expands in between the graphite sheets and produces gas volume to expand the graphite. kinda like under oxidized rocket fuel
+Robert Murray-Smith You think it might be possible to intercolate via pressure swing adsorption. I realize that it is nano porosity we are dealing with hear, but it sure would be nice not to have to expand via some nasty acid. The thinking is that you may be able to increase effective osmotic pressure of a solute by applying repeated applications of high pressure. Perhaps you can use a cosolvent like acitone to start to open up the ends of the graphene sheets and work your desired solution in. If you can do this in a hydrostactic pressure pot you may be able to swing the pressure by a few thousand psi rapidly with a hand lever.
+21st Century Woodworking Ok, so I'm not sure about liquid phase pressure intercolation, but that put me on the thought train of PSA with gases because I know that will work followed by a rapid depressurization. Essentially, what you want is rapidly expanding gas between the sheets and for the gasses to be generated in between every layer of graphite. I'm thinking that super critical CO2 may work well... so I did a google scholar search and found doi:10.1016/j.matlet.2009.06.031 They produced few layer graphene by supercritical adsorption of CO2 into graphite and then expanding the fluid into a solution with a surfactent in it. I imagine that if you did this a couple times, you might get down to an average of a couple layer to mono layer graphene. This however, may not produce a high surface area graphene like chemical oxidation because I imagine that the oxidant will produce a "holey" graphene plate because it necessarily consumes some of the carbon in the sheets of graphite. maybe you can try putting some KMnO4 in a supercritical CO2 suspension with graphite. I think the CO2 will be able to dissolve the salt and possibly intercolate the graphite. A rapid release of pressure may expand the graphite substantially, and then lighting up the under oxidized fuel may expand the rest of the way and then help create extra porosity. Might maintain most of the conductivity and push graphene past 1000m^2/g
+21st Century Woodworking That's a brilliant post mate thanks or that personally i would look at other supercritical fluids with smaller particle size as 10 flakes on average is a low stage intercalation and aiming for a one, two or three stage would be an all in one answer - but lots of food for thought here
+Robert Murray-Smith Thanks! I think I might try this at home... order up some schedule 80 stainless pipe and fittings, pack it full of dry ice, put a little graphite in it and possibly heat it and leave it over night. i might also try it with water in it. I come from a combustion science background and I know that I should be able to partially oxidize graphite under these conditions. You might be able to create a whole new class of materials that have both properties of activated carbon and properties of graphene. Essentially, I want to try to make "activated graphene' if it doesn't already exist. Only problem is its a bit dangerous as your talking about 1000psi + pressure, but schedule 80 pipe in less than 2" diameter should be fine, I found a guy who did this for other reasons and even heated it with a heating tape. Makes me nervous though. The 10 flake number can probably be improved on with better processing and/or solvents. I seen no reason why CO2 as a non polar molecule can't fully intercolate graphite... as it does, it should expand the structure allowing solvated ions in. Not sure if the reason they got an average of 10 flakes was because of re-condensation or because it didn't fully penetrate, maybe a surfactant in the CO2 mix can help disassemble the structure?
Thank you again, people need to understand that sometimes a personal discovery of a nobel prize scale shouldn't be more important than any profitable benefit humanity can attain in its existence and survival as a whole. This is the gift each of you researchers and scientist gives humanity every time we discover something and share it, is humanity's advancement that your future generations will consciously or unconsciously appreciate this just as we appreciate everything else we have inherited from our human's inventions such as the ones by Nikola Tesla and others.
Mercuric sulphocyanide-I remember was the compound mentioned on the firework box.These were small tablets when lit would produce a long winding snake.This was a regular at our Indian Diwali festival of lights.
Dear Robert I brought your Graphene book. it was very wonderful book. i have a couple of questions regarding this video. 1. what concentration should we use from KMNO4? 2. Why this method aren't popular among other Graphene synthesis methods? 3. Normally Solid KMNO4 and Glycerin reaction is very strong. But there isn't evidence aqua KMNO4 and Glycerin reaction.So is that fesible?
Please demo a plane resistivity that approaches 0.35 ρ (Ωm). Would like to see a real characterization of this stuff. I like your approach, but I don't buy the Petrik thing. What might actually be synthesized here is an expanded graphite matrix. As for getting the monolayer stuff, CVD is still where it's at. That said, graphite quality all depends on the application in mind. Cheers.
Hello mate, I got curious about this recipe. But before trying it out, I'm just wondering: don't you need a strong acid to intercalate the potassium permanganate?
Remember what I have written on Aug 18, 2014 Easy graphene 1.) The perchloric acid is used to derive intercalation compound used for graphite intercalation. 2.) The mysterious liquid Viktor Petrik uses is not the hydrogen peroxide - it is iodine solution with appropriate amount of triphenylphosphine added. Is it right ?
I couldn't think what your mysterious solution was, the messy part makes me wonder if it really is water? I'm wondering if maybe there is some type of oil because 1g graphite can absorb something close to 65g oil *I think* ? Either way nice job with the video, very cool to watch.
+Robert Murray-Smith I look forward to it then. My guess is Dichlorine heptoxide. In one of Victor Petrik's video, the translator was saying that there is a small amount of Chlorine gas being released in the reaction.
+Robert Murray-Smith I bet you mixed that graphite with potassium permanganate before flushing a bunch of glycerol over it. :) There is something suspicious about that black&white only video. :D And! There is something suspicious about that graphite in a beaker - it really looks like you mixed graphite with something, potassium permanganate would be the first candidate, this might explain black and white video. AMIRITE?
Nice. Thanks for pdf. Looks like that crazy man is using literally explosives Cl2O7 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichlorine_heptoxide). I wonder if Mn2O7 could work, although it would be even more crazy than Cl2O7. :D
Robert, Is this type of Graphene good for conductivity? I figured the sheets would be deformed. I theorized a way of doing a Petriks Graphene, but with one key piece of equipment needed. I would post it but it seems like you want to keep it secrete.
flogy4031 It would have helped if it were in color :) A wild guess here, the magic solution could be as simple as a NH4Cl? anyway keep up the good work, it is really appreciated.
Hi Robert, glad you are feeling better. Do you see this as a breakthrough in cheap plentiful production of graphene , or was the secret mix expensive and difficult to make?
I tried an acetone/hydrogen peroxide (6%) mixed with graphite and ignited it but no mass expansion, it did increase the dispersion characteristics of the graphite in soln ☺
Hi Robert you playing attitude opening the desires. The used chemical must be highly reactive to aluminum so the energy produced changing the electronic configuration of graphite. Long Chears........
Sorry to hear you were sick - get better ! LOL Old age sucks - I turned 60 a month ago and EVERYTHING is going downhill...but I pushed the envelope when I was young, so I expect to pay. I echo Michael Walter's sentiments - glad you are back !
Hey Robert - I was watching your "How to make Graphene Sheets..." and was wondering if you would be interested in a battery project. If so, contact me via e-mail - I would rather keep the idea(s) private for the time being...at least until we can issue a patent.
Richard Clingempeel I work on batteries all the time mate - not sure what you have in mind but you can e-mail me at robertmurraysmith64@gmail.com please bear in mind i have very limited time to work on other peoples projects, i don't do it for free unless the project is spectacular or just plaininteresting and make sure you include an nda for me to sign
Fascinating mate! Keep us posted. From what I understand from Viktor Petrik's patent claim, he used a "Plasma Activated acid". Such a mixture was a mixture of oxidising halogen-based acid (eg. HCl, HClO, etc.) with added oxidisers and surfactant(s). Keep up the good work and cheers in solving the puzzle.
This is the first I've been introduced to Viktor Petrik's work. My opinion is no, this is not the same. Still, that means your discovery is perhaps completely new and the properties of the graphene produced is going to be different from Viktor's which may or may not be better depending on the desired application. Great job in any case!
Joseph Richardson I just watched the indian version of Petrik's method - see Aarons link th-cam.com/video/t5qLfHLyQKo/w-d-xo.html - it's pretty much the same mate - but i don't really care as there is nothing new here - it's all just a magic trick
In this video if you click on the "Show More" under the description it tells you the liquid is Cl2O7. From the information provided there (which isn't completely clear) my interpretation is that the graphite is electrolytically intercalated with Cl2O7 from a NaCl salt solution. There is secret retardant included. My guess the liquid is Cl2O7 without retardant and when it's added to the graphite it's enough to overcome the retardant mixed with the graphite, begin making heat, and set off the chain reaction.
Robert Murray-Smith I got no expansion using a microwave from two different batches. The first was -325 mesh which not washed but was dried prior to microwaving. Titanium was used for the electrode with graphite with aluminum at the other electrode. This was changed midway through to having titanium at both electrodes due to severe corrosion of the aluminum. The second batch was RS graphite which was crushed to a powder prior to electrolyzing. Titanium was used the whole time. Voltages ranged up to 12 volts, generally I limited current to 3 amps. The setup resembled a supercapacitor in that plates were flat with a thick paper separator. Fresh electrolyte was added from time to time to make up for losses from heat and decomposition. I started this experiment with the expectation of getting some expansion due to intercalation of chlorine gas regardless of whether there was Cl2O7 or not. There was a slight smell of chlorine after microwaving but that was all.
Top notch mate, always enjoyable. Feel better, and can I have some of that ten million, I could use a few new parts and pieces in my shop. Lol All the best Jon
what would be the best graphite precurser to start with, and does that play into the difference in beginning wether you are wanting to end up with a paintable or solid? as far as the purity of graphite to begin with?
Hi Robert, does this also work on charcoal powder ? If yes, this would really help the mankind to get clean drinking water from using this stuff to filter dirty water... So you could really help mankind by releasing the formula...so poor people in 3rd world countries could take charcoal from a woodfire and extract this fine powdered graphene type flakes and use it to clean water... Maybe it is some solution with Calcium Hypoclorite ? See: th-cam.com/video/RZOl48Ppanw/w-d-xo.htmlm3s Maybe still mixed with H2O2 or Pottassium Nitrate or so ?? And maybe the Graphite is also mixed with sugar to get it started better ?? Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.
+Stefan Hartmann I don't think so mate. It's not about formulas to copy - it's about innovation and the desire to explore. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day - teach him to hunt and you feed him for life - better to inspire the desire to explore
There have been some clever blighters on this planet... and you are definitely one of them. Well done sir. That's the living room ruined again.... Oh Rob... how are you fixed for a loan?
Robert: I couldn't help noticing the similarity between what you did here and the Chinese snake fireworks we played with as kids, shown here: th-cam.com/video/iKtB_uACiQc/w-d-xo.html ...you showed the tang lau method of making graphene from heating sugar water, whose to say that these snakes aren't expanded graphene on-the-cheap! All the ingredients are there! Cheers!
So, if I'm gathering this correctly, Victor Petriks is claiming this is a method of Graphene *_Production_* - right? That would make the _mysterious solution_ "snake oil". Can I get some of that payout? ;-)
My money is on magnesium/lithium/hydrochloric acid and standard white vinegar as the mixer. No, actually, i have no money lol. Best wishes for a speedy recovery !
Hey ROBERT. Hope you feel better soon. Well I observed what Prof PETRIK has presented at TRANSPORT BHAWAN, NEW DELHI and I had a look at your presentation and, yours although was dramtic, it could not even come close to Prof PETRIK . (LOL) your not going to get that money yet. Thanks ROBERT for the video. kEEP'EM COMING.
yes I believe you ROBERT, 'I was just teasing you. Go for the money. Anyone putting up that kind of money thinking no one can figure out what they are doing is going to lose the bet . The Prof- is a very prideful man and soon he will fall. So take his bet and make him regret. Thank you for the teaching video's Robert. Looking at the comments from people all over the world. Just look at what you have help to start. People look up to you as they would any great teacher. You have a great deal of respect from these people and it go's for me to. GOD bless.
James Kennedy People like Petrik never honour what they say mate - there is zero chance he will pay up - but I should send him a link to the video - cheers mate
This reaction seems to be similar one your video about carbon foam. ...sulfuric acid and sugar hmmmmm same effect. I have to promise to pay someone 1 million in order to discover this lol
Robert Murray-Smith after the reaction is the graphite become graphene or something different? Or that s the same stuff you showed one time...you know when you put it in the microwave?
Robert, There is a firecracker sold in America that has been doing that for about 100 years. God bless, Have a great year. Dr Robert Brock, Author- Turkey Mountain Boys, Amazon.com
My son-in-law is british and when I was there a few years ago i didn't see them anywhere so I figured you all didn't have them. Sorry if I insulted you.
Amazing example of flame as plasma. The filaments are well structured and tightly bound and so easy to see.
hoptoads cheers mate
Honestly Dr.Victor Patrik’s graphene formulations is really astonishing and highly applaudable !
All the best to you Robert to get better quickly. I spent 20 plus years in R&D, could hardly enjoy more your practical experiments and applications. Keep up the good work. You got me hooked to duplicate some super capacitors! Cheers...
BluesDoctor bless your heart mate and i am really glad you liked it
Did you really do this demonstration on your lounge room floor?
+Robert Murray-Smith , Funny to be in black and white, would have been cool to see the color of the flame for a little eyeball spectroscopic interpretation. After steam, what gasses evolve?
BluesDoctor there will be a whole mix of stuff in there mate - i wouldn’t recommend breathing it in
Robert Murray-Smith I would highly recommend it, it makes you see things that are not actually there.
Did you also think the cup also might affect the rapidness of the reaction? To me it kind of seems that the liquid went to the bottom and start the process from the bottom on up. Maybe try it on a flat surface? And see if a more open area would help with a quicker reaction?
He soaked the graphite in sulfuric acid. Then put in a vacuum. Then dried it. The peroxide 30% makes to expand.
hi Rob, I can't remember if I sent you this by email, so here goes... Two of his videos mention Cl2O7 (one he has hand-written and flashes on screen momentarily, and the other is written in the video description, along with NaCl and some other obfuscation about slowing down the reaction to avoid explosion?!?!?) In case you plan to tweak your approach. Cheers!
I applaud you my friend I was thinking it'd be a great idea to add this graphene ash to foam concrete create a strong light material
You are really a great scientist! Hats off to you!
Makes me wonder if you could make it the same way as puffed rice, in a pressure vessel, and then release the pressure suddenly.
Manny Lenz give it a go and let me know
Fascinating Robert! Thanks for the video. There's gotta be some sulphuric acid somewhere in that mixture. Reminds me of the sugar + sulphuric acid trick. Keep em coming!
Dave Nicholls lol - gotta be! - cheers mate
***** I was joking mate and i think Dave was too- there is no sulphuric acid in there - it's safe to touch - which is why i stick my finger in the solution
***** yep
***** it is
***** Petrik is just tricking everybody mate
Hi Robert LOL don't hold your breath waiting for the 10 million, great to see your back, hope you will be better soon, interesting demonstration Regards Mike.
michael endall lol - i kind of doubt he will be paying out too lol
I think it might be potassium permanganate intercolation and glycerine or ethylene glycol to get the reaction started. perhaps victor used hydrogen peroxide as his seemed to explode rather than slow start. It should also be possible to use potassium nitrate and maybe hydrogen peroxide, but i think that you may have to start that one with a flame. i think basically you need an oxidizer in a low molar ratio to carbon so it burns/expands in between the graphite sheets and produces gas volume to expand the graphite. kinda like under oxidized rocket fuel
+21st Century Woodworking spot on
+Robert Murray-Smith You think it might be possible to intercolate via pressure swing adsorption. I realize that it is nano porosity we are dealing with hear, but it sure would be nice not to have to expand via some nasty acid. The thinking is that you may be able to increase effective osmotic pressure of a solute by applying repeated applications of high pressure. Perhaps you can use a cosolvent like acitone to start to open up the ends of the graphene sheets and work your desired solution in. If you can do this in a hydrostactic pressure pot you may be able to swing the pressure by a few thousand psi rapidly with a hand lever.
+21st Century Woodworking Ok, so I'm not sure about liquid phase pressure intercolation, but that put me on the thought train of PSA with gases because I know that will work followed by a rapid depressurization. Essentially, what you want is rapidly expanding gas between the sheets and for the gasses to be generated in between every layer of graphite. I'm thinking that super critical CO2 may work well... so I did a google scholar search and found doi:10.1016/j.matlet.2009.06.031
They produced few layer graphene by supercritical adsorption of CO2 into graphite and then expanding the fluid into a solution with a surfactent in it. I imagine that if you did this a couple times, you might get down to an average of a couple layer to mono layer graphene.
This however, may not produce a high surface area graphene like chemical oxidation because I imagine that the oxidant will produce a "holey" graphene plate because it necessarily consumes some of the carbon in the sheets of graphite.
maybe you can try putting some KMnO4 in a supercritical CO2 suspension with graphite. I think the CO2 will be able to dissolve the salt and possibly intercolate the graphite. A rapid release of pressure may expand the graphite substantially, and then lighting up the under oxidized fuel may expand the rest of the way and then help create extra porosity.
Might maintain most of the conductivity and push graphene past 1000m^2/g
+21st Century Woodworking That's a brilliant post mate thanks or that personally i would look at other supercritical fluids with smaller particle size as 10 flakes on average is a low stage intercalation and aiming for a one, two or three stage would be an all in one answer - but lots of food for thought here
+Robert Murray-Smith Thanks!
I think I might try this at home... order up some schedule 80 stainless pipe and fittings, pack it full of dry ice, put a little graphite in it and possibly heat it and leave it over night. i might also try it with water in it. I come from a combustion science background and I know that I should be able to partially oxidize graphite under these conditions. You might be able to create a whole new class of materials that have both properties of activated carbon and properties of graphene. Essentially, I want to try to make "activated graphene' if it doesn't already exist. Only problem is its a bit dangerous as your talking about 1000psi + pressure, but schedule 80 pipe in less than 2" diameter should be fine, I found a guy who did this for other reasons and even heated it with a heating tape. Makes me nervous though.
The 10 flake number can probably be improved on with better processing and/or solvents. I seen no reason why CO2 as a non polar molecule can't fully intercolate graphite... as it does, it should expand the structure allowing solvated ions in. Not sure if the reason they got an average of 10 flakes was because of re-condensation or because it didn't fully penetrate, maybe a surfactant in the CO2 mix can help disassemble the structure?
Thank you Robert for all your information to the investigative viewers that are trying to give something good to the world as a humanitarian Benefit.
cheers mate -the trick here is really simple - it is intercalated graphite with a self initiating exothermic reaction
Thank you again, people need to understand that sometimes a personal discovery of a nobel prize scale shouldn't be more important than any profitable benefit humanity can attain in its existence and survival as a whole. This is the gift each of you researchers and scientist gives humanity every time we discover something and share it, is humanity's advancement that your future generations will consciously or unconsciously appreciate this just as we appreciate everything else we have inherited from our human's inventions such as the ones by Nikola Tesla and others.
nicely put mate
I was tricked by the thumbnail into thinking Viktor's smoking habit had finally been exposed!
Nice. I was going to ask you your thoughts on the Petrik method.
Manny Lenz well that's lucky lol
Finally find some clues about so called cold destruction for expanding graphite.
Can u explain what is that solution ...?
Mercuric sulphocyanide-I remember was the compound mentioned on the firework box.These were small tablets when lit would produce a long winding snake.This was a regular at our Indian Diwali festival of lights.
+ravi sadasivan they are pretty cool mate - i have seen them
I think he is just using Platinum dissolved in Nitric Acid.
Dear Robert
I brought your Graphene book. it was very wonderful book. i have a couple of questions regarding this video.
1. what concentration should we use from KMNO4?
2. Why this method aren't popular among other Graphene synthesis methods?
3. Normally Solid KMNO4 and Glycerin reaction is very strong. But there isn't evidence aqua KMNO4 and Glycerin reaction.So is that fesible?
The question is: how much good could you do with 10,000,000, or even worse how much bad could be done elsewhere?
Andy Reynolds good question - but one i think i will never have to answer mate
You are a great scientist! Hats off to you dear!
Can this expanded graphite be useful making conductive ink?
How i can reproduce it? Very interesting!
Please demo a plane resistivity that approaches 0.35 ρ (Ωm).
Would like to see a real characterization of this stuff. I like your approach, but I don't buy the Petrik thing. What might actually be synthesized here is an expanded graphite matrix. As for getting the monolayer stuff, CVD is still where it's at. That said, graphite quality all depends on the application in mind. Cheers.
Hello mate, I got curious about this recipe. But before trying it out, I'm just wondering: don't you need a strong acid to intercalate the potassium permanganate?
Remember what I have written on Aug 18, 2014 Easy graphene
1.) The perchloric acid is used to derive intercalation compound used for graphite intercalation.
2.) The mysterious liquid Viktor Petrik uses is not the hydrogen peroxide - it is iodine solution with appropriate amount of triphenylphosphine added.
Is it right ?
Algirdas Lazauskas I am afraid not mate - i tried that and got poor results
Robert Murray-Smith Can you give me a small clue on this issue ? Best regards !
Algirdas Lazauskas you were half right
Thanks so much ;)
quite curious Robert...cud that graphite is laced with liquid sugar and dried?.
Did u try with Cl2O7(chlorate) with platinum dust as catalyst?
Hmmm my guess is a solution of icing sugar distilled water and hydrochloric acid, the proper ratios stump me however..
Thanks for sharing
+Al Martel bless your heart mate - no where near - that's the carbon snake - this has a graphite starting point
I'd really like to know, at all, what is happening here?!
Pyrolytic graphite? KC8 + Water?
New Wave Agriculture nice guess
I couldn't think what your mysterious solution was, the messy part makes me wonder if it really is water? I'm wondering if maybe there is some type of oil because 1g graphite can absorb something close to 65g oil *I think* ? Either way nice job with the video, very cool to watch.
New Wave Agriculture it's not KC8 and water mate!
Congratulation, that's quite amazing. With the price of graphene today, why doesn't everybody do that ?
dunno - i think they are getting round to it as the price has dropped significantly
Are Graphene facemasks, any good? Herein, 2022. God Bless.
Nice find Robert. Congrats and good luck with the Edison project :)
+Kenny Verhulst cheers mate
Hi you are using mono ethylene glycol or there ethylen glycol? ?
Are you going to put the formula in an updated graphene ebook eventually? :)
+Phong Do maybe
+Robert Murray-Smith I look forward to it then. My guess is Dichlorine heptoxide. In one of Victor Petrik's video, the translator was saying that there is a small amount of Chlorine gas being released in the reaction.
+Robert Murray-Smith I bet you mixed that graphite with potassium permanganate before flushing a bunch of glycerol over it. :) There is something suspicious about that black&white only video. :D And! There is something suspicious about that graphite in a beaker - it really looks like you mixed graphite with something, potassium permanganate would be the first candidate, this might explain black and white video. AMIRITE?
+Edvinas Bazaras try it and see
Nice. Thanks for pdf. Looks like that crazy man is using literally explosives Cl2O7 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichlorine_heptoxide). I wonder if Mn2O7 could work, although it would be even more crazy than Cl2O7. :D
Robert, Is this type of Graphene good for conductivity? I figured the sheets would be deformed. I theorized a way of doing a Petriks Graphene, but with one key piece of equipment needed. I would post it but it seems like you want to keep it secrete.
Dan Murphy i don't m ind - but i have been asked to keep it secret mate
***** Max it's not the same thing. your making carbon with the snake or Pharaoh's serpent. This is a chemical reaction with impregnated graphite.
So the fumes and flames are just for the show?
That is exfoliating a graphite intercalated compound using a exothermic reaction alongside?
flogy4031 It would have helped if it were in color :)
A wild guess here, the magic solution could be as simple as a NH4Cl?
anyway keep up the good work, it is really appreciated.
flogy4031 cheers mate
Hi Rob
probably graphite mixed with sodium borohydride and water is added
Let us know if and when Edison labs files their patent so that we can find out what the mystery liquid is.
suffolkcountysheriff will do mate
Hi Robert, glad you are feeling better. Do you see this as a breakthrough in cheap plentiful production of graphene , or was the secret mix expensive and difficult to make?
solarhope to be honest mate - it's a piece of cake
Robert Murray-Smith
I can see you are enjoying your moment of knowing, whilst everyone else is guessing. It must feel good. - LOL
Robert Murray-Smith cake cake that’s it . Flour sugar and Bicarbonate Soda😂😂😂
I tried an acetone/hydrogen peroxide (6%) mixed with graphite and ignited it but no mass expansion, it did increase the dispersion characteristics of the graphite in soln ☺
gr2far that is interesting though
Congratulations! I was trying using pure magnesium but it doesn't work
Hi Robert you playing attitude opening the desires. The used chemical must be highly reactive to aluminum so the energy produced changing the electronic configuration of graphite. Long Chears........
Sorry to hear you were sick - get better ! LOL Old age sucks - I turned 60 a month ago and EVERYTHING is going downhill...but I pushed the envelope when I was young, so I expect to pay. I echo Michael Walter's sentiments - glad you are back !
Richard Clingempeel cheers mate and a late happy birthday!
Hey Robert - I was watching your "How to make Graphene Sheets..." and was wondering if you would be interested in a battery project. If so, contact me via e-mail - I would rather keep the idea(s) private for the time being...at least until we can issue a patent.
Richard Clingempeel I work on batteries all the time mate - not sure what you have in mind but you can e-mail me at robertmurraysmith64@gmail.com please bear in mind i have very limited time to work on other peoples projects, i don't do it for free unless the project is spectacular or just plaininteresting and make sure you include an nda for me to sign
Roger - Wilco ! I hope you find what I have in mind VERY interesting !
Richard Clingempeel i look forward to hearing about it mate
Hi Robert, are you able to inform what the expanded product is chemically?
+Had Full It's a mix - graphite, expanded graphite, GNPs and there will be some graphene
I presume the additive is an oxidizer
+Had Full yep
my guess h2o2 - www.diss.fu-berlin.de/diss/servlets/MCRFileNodeServlet/FUDISS_derivate_000000001299/05_Chapter5.pdf?hosts=
+Had Full nice post mate cheers
Fascinating mate! Keep us posted. From what I understand from Viktor Petrik's patent claim, he used a "Plasma Activated acid". Such a mixture was a mixture of oxidising halogen-based acid (eg. HCl, HClO, etc.) with added oxidisers and surfactant(s). Keep up the good work and cheers in solving the puzzle.
Jonathan Fosdick his patent is a little less than true mate
Sorry to hear of your illness, get better fast !
astrialkil cheers mate
This is the first I've been introduced to Viktor Petrik's work. My opinion is no, this is not the same. Still, that means your discovery is perhaps completely new and the properties of the graphene produced is going to be different from Viktor's which may or may not be better depending on the desired application. Great job in any case!
Joseph Richardson I just watched the indian version of Petrik's method - see Aarons link th-cam.com/video/t5qLfHLyQKo/w-d-xo.html - it's pretty much the same mate - but i don't really care as there is nothing new here - it's all just a magic trick
In this video if you click on the "Show More" under the description it tells you the liquid is Cl2O7. From the information provided there (which isn't completely clear) my interpretation is that the graphite is electrolytically intercalated with Cl2O7 from a NaCl salt solution. There is secret retardant included. My guess the liquid is Cl2O7 without retardant and when it's added to the graphite it's enough to overcome the retardant mixed with the graphite, begin making heat, and set off the chain reaction.
Joseph Richardson give it a go and see if it works
Robert Murray-Smith I got no expansion using a microwave from two different batches. The first was -325 mesh which not washed but was dried prior to microwaving. Titanium was used for the electrode with graphite with aluminum at the other electrode. This was changed midway through to having titanium at both electrodes due to severe corrosion of the aluminum. The second batch was RS graphite which was crushed to a powder prior to electrolyzing. Titanium was used the whole time. Voltages ranged up to 12 volts, generally I limited current to 3 amps. The setup resembled a supercapacitor in that plates were flat with a thick paper separator. Fresh electrolyte was added from time to time to make up for losses from heat and decomposition. I started this experiment with the expectation of getting some expansion due to intercalation of chlorine gas regardless of whether there was Cl2O7 or not. There was a slight smell of chlorine after microwaving but that was all.
Joseph Richardson to be honest mate - i am not very surprised
Lets see. It’s clear. You did it with out a respirator. Took few moments to kick in. I’m to think it’s strong peroxide. I’ll give it a try
Thank you for rob.
I suggest this chemical is Plasma-activated hydrochloric acid
+athula liyanage it's much simpler than that mate
Top notch mate, always enjoyable. Feel better, and can I have some of that ten million, I could use a few new parts and pieces in my shop. Lol
All the best
Jon
4EvR Perpetual lol - couldn't we all mate
linseed oil and naphthalenes?
+Christopher Korver try it and see - always good to experiment mate
what would be the best graphite precurser to start with, and does that play into the difference in beginning wether you are wanting to end up with a paintable or solid? as far as the purity of graphite to begin with?
+Christopher Korver use the best you can get mate - flake natural is best around 45 microns
"Hey Victor, I think I discovered your secret. Where's my ten million?." -priceless quote.
Venturestarx lol - he'll never pay mate
Robert Murray-Smith Probably not, but we can dream can't we?
Venturestarx absolutely mate - it's how people like you and me live lol
Robert Murray-Smith I have a feeling that at this pace, we might not need his money. Fingers crossed.
@@Venturestarx hii I just wondering what is that solvent gives Graphene ...I am very much interested about graphene and how we can make it.
Did he ever pay up?
lol - of course not lol
Sorry you've been I'll Robert. Hope you get well soon.
thagrit thank you mate
Welcome back Rob, glad you're on the mend.
TheBaconWizard cheers mate
You are no we’re close !
Very interesting. I tried duplicating this experiment.With powdered graphite and hydrochloric acid. It didn't work :- (
eamonn280958 there's a little bit more to it than that mate - but not much
zuluknob no mate sorry
So, is it a trick or is it really grafene?
+Dmitry Kresin It's GNPs mostly
is this going to stay a secret?
nope - i forgot about it to be honest - i will do a tell all vid
+Robert Murray-Smith thanks i can't wait to do this experiment and show my son !
it is pretty cool
+Robert Murray-Smith yes it is !!!
and do the update soon mate
Hi Robert, does this also work on charcoal powder ? If yes, this would really help the mankind to get clean drinking water from using this stuff to filter dirty water... So you could really help mankind by releasing the formula...so poor people in 3rd world countries could take charcoal from a woodfire and extract this fine powdered graphene type flakes and use it to clean water...
Maybe it is some solution with Calcium Hypoclorite ?
See:
th-cam.com/video/RZOl48Ppanw/w-d-xo.htmlm3s
Maybe still mixed with H2O2 or Pottassium Nitrate or so ??
And maybe the Graphite is also mixed with sugar to get it started better ??
Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.
+Stefan Hartmann I don't think so mate. It's not about formulas to copy - it's about innovation and the desire to explore. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day - teach him to hunt and you feed him for life - better to inspire the desire to explore
Robert Murray-Smith
But in your example, give the world the formula and they will not longer get poisoned by dirty water.... ;)
+Stefan Hartmann it doesn't work that way mate - and you know it
Robert Murray-Smith
Well, If I will find out the recipe, I will post it freely ! ;) Cheers ! ;)
+Stefan Hartmann go for it
This is why i love u sir.
lol - cheers mate
why is this video is black and white ?
why not?
interesting demo. made me think of chernoble for some reason. hope you get better soon.
TheGEODEAHOLIC cheers mate
There have been some clever blighters on this planet... and you are definitely one of them. Well done sir. That's the living room ruined again....
Oh Rob... how are you fixed for a loan?
lol
Robert: I couldn't help noticing the similarity between what you did here and the Chinese snake fireworks we played with as kids, shown here: th-cam.com/video/iKtB_uACiQc/w-d-xo.html ...you showed the tang lau method of making graphene from heating sugar water, whose to say that these snakes aren't expanded graphene on-the-cheap! All the ingredients are there! Cheers!
you could well be right mate - cheers
So, if I'm gathering this correctly, Victor Petriks is claiming this is a method of Graphene *_Production_* - right?
That would make the _mysterious solution_ "snake oil".
Can I get some of that payout? ;-)
Was reminded of this th-cam.com/video/X6qY3wMAVQQ/w-d-xo.html (one of TH-cam's finest - if you catch my drift).
Fred Gandt lol - no worries - i get some you get some mate
Robert Murray-Smith lol
That's not graphene and viktor petrik is a scammer
My money is on magnesium/lithium/hydrochloric acid and standard white vinegar as the mixer. No, actually, i have no money lol.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery !
slider2732 cheers mate
well done Robert
Awesome and well done!!
DrSaminstine cheers mate
Что вы добавили в графен
Woow for the video quality. ....i need popcorn
Mo Kha lol
Nice work! Liked the style of video too by the way.
shaunsurfing it's the new linux system - maybe i will stay with noir lol
10 millions dollars baby, give the money Petrik lol
Mo Kha i wish
Looks like pharos serpent.
yes it does
ten southend thanks for you rop..
Robert dlaczego zazdrościsz Viktorowi.
Niestety musisz mu okazać szacunek żeby uratować swój honor.
It must be Liquid Oxygen. Hope I'm right.
no mate - it's glycerol
How beautiful it is!
Congrats Mate
Steve Allwest cheers mate
Hey ROBERT. Hope you feel better soon. Well I observed what Prof PETRIK has presented at TRANSPORT BHAWAN, NEW DELHI and I had a look at your presentation and, yours although was dramtic, it could not even come close to Prof PETRIK . (LOL) your not going to get that money yet. Thanks ROBERT for the video. kEEP'EM COMING.
James Kennedy fair enough
James Kennedy th-cam.com/video/t5qLfHLyQKo/w-d-xo.html - it's the same thing mate
yes I believe you ROBERT, 'I was just teasing you. Go for the money. Anyone putting up that kind of money thinking no one can figure out what they are doing is going to lose the bet . The Prof- is a very prideful man and soon he will fall. So take his bet and make him regret. Thank you for the teaching video's Robert. Looking at the comments from people all over the world. Just look at what you have help to start. People look up to you as they would any great teacher. You have a great deal of respect from these people and it go's for me to. GOD bless.
James Kennedy People like Petrik never honour what they say mate - there is zero chance he will pay up - but I should send him a link to the video - cheers mate
I did it, but find it, useless for me.
Bartosz Barejko hmm - well thanks for the help - but not something i think i will try
This reaction seems to be similar one your video about carbon foam. ...sulfuric acid and sugar hmmmmm same effect. I have to promise to pay someone 1 million in order to discover this lol
Mo Kha it's slightly different mate - plus i don't use acid - the liquid is perfectly safe
Robert Murray-Smith after the reaction is the graphite become graphene or something different? Or that s the same stuff you showed one time...you know when you put it in the microwave?
Mo Kha it's basically graphene
Very very impressive mate. Is there any chance you will share after have 10 millions lol?
Mo Kha lol - of course mate - unfortunately not likely
Cheers mate
vinodh kumar glad you liked it mate
G.I.C?
Vincent Cramaro exactly - clever boy lol
hehehehe i saw what you did there very nice video ! :) can he pay me too XD
сталкер чворович lol
nice....nice...thanks
its nowhere close to what he showed ,, but keep it up may be some day you will find something better solution ..
Thx
Bravo✅
I can do it, as well..
Robert,
There is a firecracker sold in America that has been doing that for about 100 years. God bless, Have a great year.
Dr Robert Brock, Author- Turkey Mountain Boys, Amazon.com
+Robert Brock i think you are talking about the carbon snake? - do you have a link so i can see what you mean? - cheers
Hydrogen peroxide 😁
looks like a 4th of july snake pellet!! I guess the brits on here would not know what that is, but the americans should !!
I'm a Brit and I know what it is
My son-in-law is british and when I was there a few years ago i didn't see them anywhere so I figured you all didn't have them. Sorry if I insulted you.
not in the least mate - i may well be cheating a bit - my wife is American lol
You will have do much more work for claiming from him the U.S.$.10 million ???????
Petrik fake man ?
Shame just what I need!