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    #WinterSoldier #FalconAndWinterSoldier #WinterSoldierProgram
    In preparation for Falcon and Winter Soldier, I'd like to discuss The Winter Soldier program - a devious project which was begun by Arnim Zola and HYDRA that originated in the 1940s to make Bucky Barnes the perfect assassin. In this video we will explain what the Winter Soldier Program was, how it came to be, how it affected the MCU, and how it ended.

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  • @KeyIssues
    @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

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    • @Souphover
      @Souphover 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Can you please do a video on how strong the Winter Soldier is

    • @tammypieters6864
      @tammypieters6864 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you please do top 10 super soldier, please I'll help you with a few names: captain America, the winter soldier Deathstroke, rose Wilson , deathpool task master, red guardian, redstar Captain Atom Major Force

    • @aaronhansraj.alexnder6536
      @aaronhansraj.alexnder6536 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aaron

  • @jorgecarbajal8076
    @jorgecarbajal8076 3 ปีที่แล้ว +807

    Fun fact: Three of the HYDRA Super Soldiers in Civil War are played by the stunt doubles of Chris Evans, Scarlett Johansson, and Anthony Mackie/Chadwick Boseman.

  • @deeznuts23yearsago
    @deeznuts23yearsago 3 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    “The winter soldier program was put on ice”
    Yea you could call it that

  • @thefastmagician
    @thefastmagician 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1533

    Winter Soldier got nerfed after his debut movie.

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      How so

    • @thefastmagician
      @thefastmagician 3 ปีที่แล้ว +243

      @@KeyIssues He’s not as powerful in subsequent movies. Let’s be serious here - a green Spider Man beat him and Falcon in a 2:1 fight yet in Homecoming Spider Man can barely contend with the Vulture?!? Sounds like this is a good topic for a video.

    • @jfraser820
      @jfraser820 3 ปีที่แล้ว +463

      @@thefastmagician I think it was due to him being in "Hydra mode". Focussed and not afraid to kill he did what had to be done and never held back. However when he is just his normal self his is still very dangerous just less lethal. I do admit that I do miss seeing him just terminate and go through opponents with ease though.

    • @thefastmagician
      @thefastmagician 3 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      @@jfraser820 Ah - good point. I had not considered the impact of the brainwashing. It’s true there is a difference when he’s totally unleashed versus having a consciousness.

    • @pirate772009
      @pirate772009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +166

      @@jfraser820 Came to say the same thing. Bucky pulls his punches, the Winter Soldier doesn't.

  • @legionmeta
    @legionmeta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +523

    Damn, just gonna ignore that this man single-handedly activated hundreds of Winter Soldiers across the world? 😬

    • @mesajarjarbinks9747
      @mesajarjarbinks9747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Underrated comment ^^

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      My bad 😅

    • @ceruth3178
      @ceruth3178 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wait, wdym?

    • @legionmeta
      @legionmeta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@ceruth3178 He spoke the code words to activate a Winter Soldier on a video that will be watched by many thousands of people lol

    • @zacleaner6438
      @zacleaner6438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But not in Russian language tho

  • @gjsncr
    @gjsncr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +377

    I'd love to see a Bourne-style Winter Soldier/Black Widow series of films.

    • @seanpatrickcain2
      @seanpatrickcain2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Who wouldn't?

    • @lamonthamilton667
      @lamonthamilton667 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yes return the Real Winter Soldier that Natasha fears..

    • @evanfitch2115
      @evanfitch2115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      this would be great

    • @paultiplea
      @paultiplea 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean that's pretty much what Cap 2 was

    • @ishjustcurtis3694
      @ishjustcurtis3694 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the barnes identity

  • @theonewhoknocks1412
    @theonewhoknocks1412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +404

    I wanna see a timeline where Hydra found frozen Cap before S.H.I.E.L.D did.

    • @wowperson1708
      @wowperson1708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      they would probably just kill him and i doubt they’d go looking unless they wanted to find the tesseract plus red skull was probably the only one who wanted the tesseracts power

    • @theonewhoknocks1412
      @theonewhoknocks1412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@wowperson1708 You might be right, but it would be interesting to see Cap as a villain. I guess they would do the same thing to him as they did to Bucky. And i guess there would be Winter Soldier as well, so would they fight alongside? So many questions.

    • @Khi1200
      @Khi1200 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theonewhoknocks1412 they might show hydra captain America in the Illuminati

    • @unhoardtrshz
      @unhoardtrshz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Read secret empire. Cap literally became a hydra agent on that timeline I think. Read it it's good btw

    • @josevillarreal1097
      @josevillarreal1097 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Technically SHIELD was hydra

  • @zakorybills8887
    @zakorybills8887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    What if someone said the code words to activate Bucky and gave him a mission to protect earth and its citizens would the winter soldier then be a good guy ? 🤔

    • @prasannamarathe9154
      @prasannamarathe9154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yes

    • @_johnwayne_
      @_johnwayne_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      In Bane voice: "Of course!"

    • @tr1stan706
      @tr1stan706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      That would be the coolest story line for marvel to continue in some sort of video game!

    • @tristanlambert658
      @tristanlambert658 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Eventually after long enough out of cryo the winter soldier coding would wear off, while Bucky could still roll with it and continue to be a good guy he’d still just be Bucky, not the Winter Soldier. Notable difference is the Winter Soldier wouldn’t hesitate to do whatever it takes and would serve his duty coldly with no emotions or goals outside of his mission, he’d fiercely defend the earth relentlessly, once the brainwashing wears off Bucky would be like a normal avenger and subject to the topics of philosophy and try to live a normal life in the background. Also worth noting, I think the Winter Soldier actually did subconsciously believe he was a good guy, Hydra instilled the belief that they were creating a better world in his head, there’s evidence of this when the director of shield says “you’ve helped shape the century, we need you to do it again” it implies they treat Bucky like he’s some kind of unsung hero, so maybe he thought he was already making the world a better place.

    • @cherryteapot7561
      @cherryteapot7561 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@tristanlambert658 there is a scene in TFATWS were Karli tells Bucky something along the lines of “you don’t know what it is to serve a cause with your whole being” and he replies “you are wrong, that is all I ever did” the line could be very different since I only watched it once but the sentiment is that one.

  • @Kwicdrawmcgraw
    @Kwicdrawmcgraw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +260

    Heck, I'd forget the code words. Have to walk around with the phrase saved in my phone 😂😂😂

    • @wowperson1708
      @wowperson1708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Notes App
      How to make a winter soldier

    • @cplalmir3823
      @cplalmir3823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@bloodym3ry now in Russian

    • @SK-zl6sl
      @SK-zl6sl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That’s the whole point of the experiment tho and the program. To ensure that is literally all you remember, that, and your mission.

    • @cplalmir3823
      @cplalmir3823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SK-zl6sl fair

    • @stijndingemans9913
      @stijndingemans9913 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@cplalmir3823
      тоска
      ржавьій
      семнадцать
      рассвет
      печь
      девять
      доброкачественньій
      возврашене домой
      одн
      грузовой вагон
      That are the words in russian

  • @marspacebun
    @marspacebun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +568

    and people still to this day blame bucky for what he's done as the winter soldier. it's like these people have zero comprehension skills. bucky is a victim.

    • @memeking6963
      @memeking6963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      They're the same people that say not all men oof

    • @ladydimitrescuisthicc201
      @ladydimitrescuisthicc201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@memeking6963 yeah not all men

    • @leouzamaki2573
      @leouzamaki2573 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@memeking6963 that has nothing to do with this

    • @memeking6963
      @memeking6963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@leouzamaki2573 i meant the zero comprehension skills part but yeah (coming from a man btw lol)

    • @Living_Soul54
      @Living_Soul54 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly

  • @damianstarks3338
    @damianstarks3338 3 ปีที่แล้ว +469

    This gets me hyped for falcon winter soldier series.

    • @jalenikezeue4114
      @jalenikezeue4114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Damian Starks Me too the advantage that two will embark upon will change everything

    • @damianstarks3338
      @damianstarks3338 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jalenikezeue4114 fact.

    • @blaxpoitation8528
      @blaxpoitation8528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Facts. In the comics, they make a pretty good duo. And I’d heard a rumor that Sam might get a version of the serum as well. That would actually be really cool.

    • @damianstarks3338
      @damianstarks3338 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blaxpoitation8528 I hope he does get a version of the super soldier serum that would be the shit.

    • @blaxpoitation8528
      @blaxpoitation8528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@damianstarks3338 Facts. Sam needs a power upgrade.

  • @pirate772009
    @pirate772009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +244

    I don't know that the second wave of Winter Soldiers were that much if at all stronger than Bucky. It does appear that he gets his ass kicked in that sparring session but that's also just a sparring session. When the other Soldiers lose control and start attacking everyone, Bucky shrugs one off with one arm while dragging that Hydra officer out of the sparring chamber.

    • @haysqt_1277
      @haysqt_1277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I think he was holding back why they were going all out

    • @haysqt_1277
      @haysqt_1277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@erin_bibby he said they are worse not stronger he said they are worse behaved

    • @haysqt_1277
      @haysqt_1277 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@erin_bibby k

    • @clox5738
      @clox5738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In a 1 on 1 I think it will turn out the same way it did when buck fought cap on the streets, Bucky would lose but not by too much. I can still see characters like Black Panther or Cap beating the other winter soldiers

    • @haysqt_1277
      @haysqt_1277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@clox5738 he didn’t lose though cap got saved

  • @Protocol36
    @Protocol36 3 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    Can't wait to see more of Bucky in the Falcon and Winter Soldier.

  • @Dd-fb2tj
    @Dd-fb2tj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Bucky smashes one of the other super soldiers when escaping, they are not any better him, nor is the serum they got been proven to be any better than what bucky got. One spar beforehand doesn't prove much

    • @cplalmir3823
      @cplalmir3823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Fax they where training so Bucky didn’t take them hard. He made it easy for them but when things became serious, he smacked one or two of them with one hand lmao

    • @snakevenom4954
      @snakevenom4954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@cplalmir3823 That arm sent Cap through a metal door and down an elevator shaft. That arm is strong af. Even Black Panther couldn’t break it

    • @cplalmir3823
      @cplalmir3823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@snakevenom4954 yeah fr

  • @permeus2nd
    @permeus2nd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    4:19 lets be real here it probaly wasn't Starks serum that was the thing that made them monsters like Erskine said ""it takes what is already there and makes it more good becomes great bad well"" ill finish that sentence for him it makes the red skull or for these bunch of murders with the highest kill count in all of Hydra, i guess Hydra didnt read the label and warning about using it on psychopaths.

    • @tr1stan706
      @tr1stan706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      4:45 they also forgot that the bond buck had with Steve formed decades prior couldn’t have meant any less. Glad he brought him back to becoming the man Steve knew him as!

  • @isaiahthomas6744
    @isaiahthomas6744 3 ปีที่แล้ว +211

    I wish we could’ve seen those other winter soldiers vs cap and bucky

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Cap and Bucky are low key getting folded

    • @timiojeaga4083
      @timiojeaga4083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@KeyIssues those other winter soldiers need more screen time

    • @haysqt_1277
      @haysqt_1277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Is this a joke????? Bucky was getting beat down by them and Bucky was beating down cap the other Super soliders stomp

    • @haysqt_1277
      @haysqt_1277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Joseph Richard at the first one it was in fair odds it was a 1v3 and he was not supposed to kill them he was supposed to bring them alive when falcon black widow and cap all teamed on him cap would be dead if not for falcon

    • @isaiahthomas6744
      @isaiahthomas6744 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @Joseph Richard to be fair the fight would’ve been cap, bucky, iron man, and black Panther vs the other winter soldiers so the fight wouldve been pretty interesting to see

  • @Babycam08
    @Babycam08 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Wait a minute.....so Bucky received the super soldier serum shortly after Steve when Steve rescued him from that Hydra camp during WWII in the First Avenger movie??? So Bucky was walking around with the super soldier serum inside him this whole damn time??

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah

    • @jakeryan152
      @jakeryan152 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A half baked version but yea

    • @Starwarman1
      @Starwarman1 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jakeryan152I wouldn’t call it half baked, he appears to match Cap in most things

  • @Noceurr
    @Noceurr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    i hate how much people down play bucky/the winter soldier. He literally easily took out 2 hydra super soldiers and consistently matched steve and t’challa

  • @quantum.starhop
    @quantum.starhop 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The Winter Soldier is Bucky without anything that actually is Bucky.

  • @nathanfogarty939
    @nathanfogarty939 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Bucky watching this vid as you call out the code words: 👁👄👁

    • @tracymaxwell11
      @tracymaxwell11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You have to say them in Russian, tho

    • @nathanfogarty939
      @nathanfogarty939 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tracymaxwell11 I know it’s just a joke 😂

    • @tracymaxwell11
      @tracymaxwell11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nathanfogarty939 I know so was I :P

    • @nathanfogarty939
      @nathanfogarty939 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tracymaxwell11 it’s all good dude :)

    • @gadejames6145
      @gadejames6145 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Zhelaniye
      Rrzavoyy
      Semnadtsat'
      Rassvet'
      Pech'
      Devyat'
      Dobroserdechnyy
      Vozvrashcheniye na rodinu
      Adín
      Gruzovoy vagon
      in Russian!!

  • @ccl7983
    @ccl7983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The super soldier program would be a great introduction to Wolverine , weapon x Is part of the Weapon Plus program which weapons plus is a new version of a super soldier organization. Wolverine is my favorite comic book character

  • @ProjektTaku
    @ProjektTaku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "the winter soldier program was put on ice" I see what you did there

  • @helena8196
    @helena8196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "The winter soldier program was then put on ice..." idk why i found that so funny💀💀😫

  • @franzherfert3686
    @franzherfert3686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    What I don't understand is how hydra went from nazi to Soviet thing. Idk, this felt like the appropriate place to ask.

    • @Choptron27
      @Choptron27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That’s a very good question! I don’t know the answer but I think I have a theory that is likely. So hydra did start as a research division nazi Germany under red skulls command. I remember red skull kept referring to how ridiculous the fuhrer was, and the world wouldn’t be ruled by flags but gods, so obviously he had no loyalty to the nazis but rather used his influence to have his own following probably with like minded sympathizers. Now I could see the same thing happening and infiltrating in the nazis main enemy, the soviets, possibly being infiltrated for the same disdain for their own government as well, and I would think that either red skull, or someone similar, used that same influence to spread into smaller renegade cells within the Soviet Union whom also had access to military equipment and slowly start doing secret experiments as well, and then we see hydra agents or sympathizers already infiltrated the U.S. government and shield as well... so in conclusion hydra is an organization with no affiliation or loyalty to any government, it just infiltrates governments to gain access to high grade technology and information to start controlling them and accomplish imposing their will.... that’s what I believe it is, but I could be wrong

    • @KostisPat257
      @KostisPat257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Hydra were never Nazis. They just used the third reich for funding to help their own cause. Remember that red skull killed 2 nazis in the first movie and kept calling the Fuhrer stupid lol. That's further explained in the tie-in comics and Agents of SHIELD. In reality, Red Skull was simply fascinated with ancient, alien artifacts and the powers of the Asgardian gods and aliens. Also, in Agent Carter, we see Zola being in the same cell as Dr. Fenhoff, a psychiatrist that worked with the Leviathan, a deep USSR spy organization, that ended up giving birth to the Red Room program. Fenhoff had found the secret of mind control, which he found in a book by Dr. Faustus (a villain in Captain America comics). It is teased in Agent Carter that Zola and Fenhoff's meeting is what kickstarted the new age of Hydra and it was confirmed by Markus and McFeely, writers of the Captain America movies, Infinity War and Endgame, and creators of the Agent Carter TV show that they put that scene in the show in order to explain how the USSR was mingled with HYDRA and how HYDRA managed to mind control Bucky. The Faustus method is also mentioned in Agents of SHIELD, which confirms that it's how HYDRA performs their mind control.

    • @franzherfert3686
      @franzherfert3686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@KostisPat257 @Choptron27 thank you very much, i knew this was the place to ask

    • @Choptron27
      @Choptron27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@franzherfert3686 he explained it better than me, I didn’t actually follow the story like that, it was just what I could think was the most rational explanation... and seems like I was pretty close, lacking continuity of course lol

    • @KostisPat257
      @KostisPat257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Akshay 18 Bucky was one of the many test subjects that Zola used the Red Skull's blood on. Bucky just happened to be one of the very few people who survived for some unknown reason (possibly genetic). Red Skull and Cap both died, so scientists (SHIELD's and Hydra's) had no samples to take blood from and recreate the serum. But, Steve's blood was kept before he died, so we can assume they used that blood to finally create Isaiah. You have to understand that it's hard to extract the components of the serum from one's blood and recreate it, especially with the technology of the 40s.
      In the comics, after Steve goes on ice, they use his blood on 200 African American test subjects in a last attempt to try and make another super soldier. Just like Zola used Red Skull's blood on multiple subjects and only Bucky survived, only Isaiah survived from the government's experiments.
      And now they had an alive super soldier that they could use as a lab rat/blood fountain for decades in order to take their time and make a good serum again. We can assume the serum that Howard was taking to the Pentagon that Bucky stole in 1991 was made by Isaiah's blood after years of experiments on him.

  • @joshuabenedict3515
    @joshuabenedict3515 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Wait when did he get the super solder serum? He already had it when cap rescued him and the battalion?

    • @TSmith-yy3cc
      @TSmith-yy3cc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah; they were testing it on prisoners in the prison that Cap rescued Bucky from.

  • @haysqt_1277
    @haysqt_1277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    There is no proof that the super solider serum that the other received was better than buckys one sparing session does not determine who’s superior and he pushed one out of the way with one arm when they were leaving

    • @snakevenom4954
      @snakevenom4954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Bucky took the sparring session as sparring while the other dude took it seriously. Bucky looked at him not in fear but more like, “What are you doing? It’s a sparring session.” When Bucky was ordered he then took it seriously so he went 100%. His arm is almost a strong as Cap’s legs. His arm alone can pick up a semi truck

  • @umutcelik3781
    @umutcelik3781 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bucky so OP he goes into cooldown after the job

  • @koshka02
    @koshka02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You just know there's going to be a scene in the Falcon Winter Soldier show where Zemo will try to control Bucky again, he'll play along, and use it to his advantage.

    • @wowperson1708
      @wowperson1708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      oh yes i agr- oops did i just punch you

    • @jv7.__
      @jv7.__ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      fucking time traveler

    • @koshka02
      @koshka02 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jv7.__ Its just so cliche and I know Marvel/Disney can't fucking help themselves with the re-incorporation.

    • @bob_1216
      @bob_1216 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@koshka02 what

  • @awesomegameplay746
    @awesomegameplay746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The winter soldier is the perfect assain in past so 90 years reshaping history!😀😁

  • @thecustomizer2008
    @thecustomizer2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Yo, keep it up. Also, are gonna be covering the red room, hydra, uru, and the rest of the stones

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep we’re going to get to everything

  • @majackslelo827
    @majackslelo827 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    0:22 Do you also see, 6 6 6?😏😏

    • @j.d.j9574
      @j.d.j9574 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Woooow I never noticed that

    • @majackslelo827
      @majackslelo827 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j.d.j9574
      😁😁

    • @theredalpha7290
      @theredalpha7290 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@majackslelo827
      Cool 👍 but why do that?
      Like the winter soldier brings hell to you?
      Idk

    • @majackslelo827
      @majackslelo827 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theredalpha7290
      That was his mission😅

  • @gerardocovarrubias1127
    @gerardocovarrubias1127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    also key issue the best super soldier of dc was deathstroke but who was the best super soldier of marvel cap america,wolverine,deadpool

  • @theavastark6463
    @theavastark6463 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Bruh bucky is so weak in recent movies n shows before he could go toe to toe w cap, now he can't even handle a rookie terror group

    • @theavastark6463
      @theavastark6463 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @c_ait not kill. Remind in civil war he whooped panther on the roof and cops, without being in killer mode it's possible he just doesn't

    • @theavastark6463
      @theavastark6463 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @c_ait black panther has the special herb which is the same as a super soldier, but natural, even cap whooped black panther, actually bucky even pinned ironman against a wall, which is definitely stronger than a normal super soldier, bucky is as strong as cap with the same kinda skill, what i think is going on is hes just scared to hurt anyone cus on the trucks he doesn't even try to fight

  • @browsin_on_inqognito
    @browsin_on_inqognito 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I miss the podcast so much. It was concise and comedic

  • @urnukhitgel3683
    @urnukhitgel3683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Imagine Natasha gets that serum

    • @toffee5266
      @toffee5266 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Natasha is dead.

    • @seven5419
      @seven5419 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@toffee5266 *"IMAGINE"*

    • @toffee5266
      @toffee5266 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@seven5419 if he meant it like it could’ve happened while she was alive he should’ve said “imagine if Natasha got/had that serum,” but instead he used future tense.

  • @ConnerVain
    @ConnerVain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    James was under mk ultra.

  • @kjnm8113
    @kjnm8113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Could you do the red room program since there sorta similar

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep yep. Will probably do that after Black Widow

    • @KostisPat257
      @KostisPat257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KeyIssues Please include the Agent Carter TV show and Leviathan!

  • @stoweby
    @stoweby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    With the number of Universal level threats out there I think the program has largely run it's course

  • @simonpierre8283
    @simonpierre8283 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hope They do a series like Howard stark and peggy in the 50s to 80s like hydra after ww2 and we learn more of The super serum and winter soldier Will be ther The villian is zola

  • @supergangentertainment5063
    @supergangentertainment5063 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Seriously I love the topics you always pick up to explain but I have one that I really wish you can talk about and that's Hydra what does it means, what was their purpose, how did it came about, and has it been stopped?

    • @snakevenom4954
      @snakevenom4954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hydra was first made to design weapons far superior than the most advanced ones of their time. Then their goal was to destroy the entire world by nuking all big cities. Then to establish themselves in all major countries and whatnot, then to destroy the world and plunge it into chaos. Hydra always had great weapons but they never really had the best motivation. A foundation of empty promises helped build an empire of useless people in important roles. I never understood the point in Hydra. Plunge the world into chaos for what reason? To gain what? Power? How? You destroyed most of the world. People are focused on getting food, not showing their belly. Maybe I’m missing the big picture but I think Hydra is only thinking in the short term

  • @jerradguillory7909
    @jerradguillory7909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If bucky got the serum when captured in the first avenger why didnt he have super strength at that point?

    • @wowperson1708
      @wowperson1708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      probably didnt have it activated.. not sure if thats how that works though

    • @TSmith-yy3cc
      @TSmith-yy3cc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Slower to take effect or perhaps the trauma of his fall "activated" it.

    • @trusttheuniverse9589
      @trusttheuniverse9589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s suggested he may have, but kept it to himself.
      Or he didn’t have the complete serum at that point, it was just a hybrid version so its possible he needed more then 1 dose

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      He did. He was just never shown using it. Bucky was a sniper during the war.

  • @damien1117
    @damien1117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Bucky should’ve got the shield would’ve been a perfect redemption arc like in the comics

    • @backwardsbrain2255
      @backwardsbrain2255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bucky is a perfect soldier, but Sam is a good man.

    • @damien1117
      @damien1117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@backwardsbrain2255 Bucky is a good man too not his fault he was brain washed lmaoo

    • @backwardsbrain2255
      @backwardsbrain2255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@damien1117 well yeah that's true, and whilst I like bucky way more than I do falcon, both in the logic of the mcu and in a story telling sense its better the way it is.

    • @damien1117
      @damien1117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@backwardsbrain2255 I don’t think so they are missing out bad on a good Bucky story all caps movies we’re about Bucky and I felt so confused when Sam got it even huge comic book TH-camrs and names agree Bucky was the better choice

    • @backwardsbrain2255
      @backwardsbrain2255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@damien1117 I think most people have said falcon was a better choice. Besides, Bucky already has another identity. The White Wolf. It completed his arc really. From a man who lost everything at war to a man who gained everything at peace. Plus Bucky hadn't always been there for Cap, even when he wasn't completely brainwashed. Sam however, has stuck by Steve's side every step of the way.

  • @joshuaharding7363
    @joshuaharding7363 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Col James didn't bring them in cause they violated the Slovak act (it wasn't in effect yet). Zumo framed Barnes for murder. Steve knew he was innocent. Typically quick judgement decisions, troops and Black Panther came, they refused to surrender so they took case until to civilians were getting hurt.

  • @gerardocovarrubias1127
    @gerardocovarrubias1127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    key issue i always say that bucky should have gotten the shield not falcon because he was the best friend of steve before sam

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nah, I like Falcon with the shield

    • @endosym5023
      @endosym5023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Remember the words Abraham Erskine said in the first Captain America movie? Not a perfect soldier, but a good man. Bucky was turned into the perfect soldier through the winter soldier program, while Sam stayed a good man. Following his own good beliefs and ideals

    • @gerardocovarrubias1127
      @gerardocovarrubias1127 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KeyIssues but on cap america winter soldier you saw bucky with the shield

    • @blaxpoitation8528
      @blaxpoitation8528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gerardocovarrubias1127 That’s got nothing to do with it though. It’s about who can better hold the mantle of Cap. Sam can do it better, since he can uphold the ideals much better than Bucky.

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bucky is his own thing, he’d never be accepted as Cap.
      I’m talking about the average citizens within the MCU, not fans. He was a brainwashed Manchurian Candidate, style assassin, who was an asset of Russia and Hydra.
      Besides...Steve will be back.

  • @thedogwoods5716
    @thedogwoods5716 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Years earlier? In the movie it seemed like he fell just days after being captured

  • @DerpMcTrollington
    @DerpMcTrollington ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i challenge all of you: look into project mkultra and project monarch in your spare time and note the uncanny similarities. whethet you're a conspiracy theorist or not, you will see the winter soldier programs inspiration.

    • @lessermook7608
      @lessermook7608 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      YEP. From the program to Project Insight with Gov. having a kill list and ready to shoot down people from orbit.
      None of this shit is accidental
      These movies are previews for the movie you're living in

  • @fun.with.natascha
    @fun.with.natascha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm new to the marvel universe and got a question which triggers me since weeks. Noone could answer this. In the scene where bucky told Pierce "I knew him", Pierce said something like "if you don't do your part i can't do mine". Ist sounded like he promised bucky something in return for him to complete missions. Was that just a random sentence or did it have a meaning? What does get bucky in return? All he gets is torture. I really hope someone can answer this! Not even "hardcore" marvel fans could answer me that 😭

    • @CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS
      @CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To peirce their bringing peice to the world that's what he telling Bucky he is getting

  • @Guitar_Guy783
    @Guitar_Guy783 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine if he was taken to a place called Vortkuta

  • @codplayer7893
    @codplayer7893 ปีที่แล้ว

    Barnes was never injected with a replicated serum, he was just enhanced with a cybernetic arm and just really good hand to hand combat

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes he was. This is confirmed by multiple sources INCLUDING a little show called THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER. You should watch it sometime!
      Make sure you're actually right before correcting someone.

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@KeyIssues Couldn't have said it better myself

  • @SerbaBisa69
    @SerbaBisa69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now we know what happen to mr.kennedy

  • @irisatyro
    @irisatyro 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And everyone(and tony) hating him because of what the program did to Tony's parents.

  • @DalekCaanOfSkaro
    @DalekCaanOfSkaro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When exactly do we learn that Bucky has been given the serum. I know he is a super soldier, I just can't remember when we are told he was given the serum when he was a prisoner

    • @snakevenom4954
      @snakevenom4954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably when Cap found him at the base is when he was given the serum. That or when he was found after falling from the train and was given a more potent version of it

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s in guidebooks but never stated in the movies or shows

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KeyIssues Sort of is. In TWS Steve tells Sam Zola experimented on Bucky in 1943, right before he rescued him.

  • @grassblock7668
    @grassblock7668 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Me when I relize the Winter Soldier project could actually work in real life with a real human being: 👁️👄👁️

  • @washurhands5079
    @washurhands5079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It’s not a true story obviously but I feel bad for Bucky. All the torture

  • @johnolmos8670
    @johnolmos8670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They never made ANY mention of Bucky having Serum in the first Avenger. It’s so confusing why wouldn’t Hydra make a bunch of Super Soldiers in WW2 if they had a working formula?

    • @farqwhad7321
      @farqwhad7321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They were still testing and had to leave the facility

    • @farqwhad7321
      @farqwhad7321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also it helps the plot

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      They never mentioned Bucky having the serum in _The First Avenger_ but it's mentioned in _The Winter Soldier, Civil War_ and _The Falcon and The Winter Soldier_

    • @johnolmos8670
      @johnolmos8670 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loganbigmo Never explicitly and it was never said how they were able to reproduce the serum at all

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnolmos8670 John Walker mentions Bucky having the serum running through his veins. As for the serum reproduction, they don't always mention how. They just say, well, Zola made one. and then for Isaiah, the U.S. Army somehow replicated it. For Blonsky, they had a version they recreated. For Red Guardian, the Soviets just managed to recreate one.
      They spare us on the exact details of how.

  • @cliffwoodbury5319
    @cliffwoodbury5319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    i don't want to see a winter soldier and falcon show - i'd want to see a winter soldier show

    • @zioncrawford1084
      @zioncrawford1084 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why?

    • @cliffwoodbury5319
      @cliffwoodbury5319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@zioncrawford1084 because its atattched to america and i want to start seeing shows that come from the perspective of another country. Marvel has 100 Russian characters. id like to see many of them have their own shows that come from the Russian perspective!!

    • @blaxpoitation8528
      @blaxpoitation8528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@cliffwoodbury5319 But Bucky isn’t Russian. If that’s the case, wouldn’t it be better to have a Black Widow series? Since she’s actually Russian..

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too bad

    • @sarahbihn1103
      @sarahbihn1103 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too.

  • @Mercy_Grace_1
    @Mercy_Grace_1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Between the serum and the fall, did he ever tell anyone he was a super soldier? Did he ever tell Steve?

  • @MaverickX578
    @MaverickX578 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s clear that in falcon and winter solider, Zeno took the blood of the enhanced winter soldiers that he killed, made some modifications to the Howard super soldier serum so they wouldn’t be to aggressive and injected it into his subordinates.

    • @Peter_2504
      @Peter_2504 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who did he inject in, I’m pretty sure he hates super soldiers

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      That is not clear at all. Also false, cause Zemo hates the serum.

  • @neilkeshavfotedar7486
    @neilkeshavfotedar7486 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i went for the winter soldier program once and became like a ruthless emotionless assasin and im still trying to get a second chance to fix the mistake for how many people i had rid of the world but many people did not give me a second chance so i live in an abandoned building now

  • @blak238
    @blak238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So Bucky had the super soldier serum before he fell from train? How? Which MCU movie was this shown or told.

    • @blaxpoitation8528
      @blaxpoitation8528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah... that doesn’t make sense to me. I never got the impression that Bucky had the serum in the first movie.

    • @rotyler2177
      @rotyler2177 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Zola was experimenting on Bucky when he was captured. Remember Rogers unbuckling Barnes from that table in Captain America, First Avenger. The serum was most likely injected there.

    • @rotyler2177
      @rotyler2177 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bucky 100% had super soldier serum on the train fight scene. Maybe Buck just didn't know it yet or the serum had not been absorbed completely at that time.

    • @blak238
      @blak238 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rotyler2177 I’m sorry but that isn’t true. No where in the movie was it hinted Bucky had the serum before he fell. But the movie makes it very clear he was given the serum after he fell.

    • @rotyler2177
      @rotyler2177 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blak238 search: even when I had nothing I had Bucky

  • @BansheeKing22
    @BansheeKing22 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Picture this scenario. A group of the winter soldiers vs a group of the black widows.

  • @evanfitch2115
    @evanfitch2115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, we've seen Cap kick trucks and outrun traffic crashes. Can the Buckster do that kind of stuff? Or is his serum less potent?

    • @LThanhHao232
      @LThanhHao232 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think he can do that. His leg muscle allow him to run as fast as a car (in certain speed), and Captain American top speed is nearly the same, so he can definitely kick a truck

  • @patrickrobinson7541
    @patrickrobinson7541 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video as always.

  • @YxngBull124
    @YxngBull124 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why did they pick those words and why were they effective, how exactly did it work

  • @AbdulMalikAllie
    @AbdulMalikAllie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    how the hell did zola manage to make a super soldier serum

    • @jakubrejak1114
      @jakubrejak1114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He took the leftover samples of Erskine's.

    • @AbdulMalikAllie
      @AbdulMalikAllie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakubrejak1114 didn't all the samples blow up and then Cap caught the guy who then killed himself? I need to watch this movie again

    • @AbdulMalikAllie
      @AbdulMalikAllie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakubrejak1114 OH the ones Erskine left in Germany, that Red Skull used on himself?

    • @jakubrejak1114
      @jakubrejak1114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AbdulMalikAllie The ones Erskine left in Augsburg. The Nazis probably wouldn't use any of them after what happened to the Red Skull, but I suppose he took them and brought to Zola.

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      Zola's a smart guy. He harnessed an Infinity Stone in the 1940s.

  • @MrRonald327
    @MrRonald327 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sounds like fun.

  • @jaiminbhatt2570
    @jaiminbhatt2570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the reason of harward stark death !! Make another super soldier serum !!

  • @DerGenie7
    @DerGenie7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    what is this song in the background?

  • @lucifer5261
    @lucifer5261 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He reminds me of wolverine
    Pains are similar

  • @Ccm2019
    @Ccm2019 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you think of HYDRA’s location it’s based on USA enemy countries : Germany and Soviet Union. Now they’ve all gone they will come on China. Which we all gonna see them on Shang Chi 😂

    • @grassblock7668
      @grassblock7668 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We already had enough problems that took place in China,we don't need that one

  • @alexmartinez-ii9ui
    @alexmartinez-ii9ui หลายเดือนก่อน

    Okay. It is very plausible that Bucky survived the fall because he had been injected with Arnim Zola's version of the Super Soldier( SS... 🤨 🧐 🤔) serum, so we'll go with that.
    However, Zola could not have been there when Bucky was captured by Hyda a second time because Zola was CLEARLY on the train that Backy fell from!! My evidence is that Gabriel Jones was on the same mission as Cap, Buck & the rest of the Howling Commandos to capture Zola from the train. Which Gabriel Jones obviously did. So unless there was a clone or time travel was involved.... how could Zola be in two places at once?!
    My theory is that this is a false memory created by Bucky's scambled brain. If anyone has a bettr explanation, I would love to see it.
    One last thing... I think Bucky/The Winter Soldier looked better with long hair. 😊

  • @Astfizik
    @Astfizik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wasnt his programming because of tesseract? like wasnt it because of tesseract that he had to follow orders?

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      No... what the heck

  • @jonginchoi2366
    @jonginchoi2366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did barnes really survived the fall due to the super soldier serum? I thought he got the serum after and just survived miraculously... cause if he did had the serum before the fall then he should have been able to withstand the force of the soldier's gun using cap's shield... there was no sign of superstrength from him at the time... so maybe it is after the fall

    • @KeyIssues
      @KeyIssues  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes he got the serum before the fall. It’s detailed in multiple guidebooks

    • @jonginchoi2366
      @jonginchoi2366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KeyIssues oh... so why was there no sign of superstrength at the time?? He could've handled the force of the hydra gun with the shield and his strength

    • @heartoface
      @heartoface 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonginchoi2366 he still like didn't know he had them the powers remember when they put the metal arm on him? After that they froze him and brainwashed him then the powers started to work cuz the winter soldier knew he had the powers and was now able to use them

    • @jonginchoi2366
      @jonginchoi2366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@heartoface I'm pretty sure if you have super strength you would know... cause you can use too much strength even if you don't intend to.... if he had super strength even if he didn't knew pretty sure he would've withstood the blast considering he also had the shield... he's super strength isn't magic it's a serum... intended or not he can use it by accident which he didn't so it doesn't make sense if he did have the serum... although it would make sense if he had the serum after the fall

    • @jonginchoi2366
      @jonginchoi2366 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@heartoface although it would make so much sense if the serum just didn't affect his body immediately... and started taking effect as he falls.... like any medicine that doesn't take effect immediately...

  • @tookiebowaba421
    @tookiebowaba421 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would of been so cool if we saw Ironman, cap, and Bucky fight the death squad in civil war and then they fought each other but another opportunity missed by marvel

  • @isber3108
    @isber3108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you

  • @Coquettebella
    @Coquettebella 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    “You never know”😳

  • @awesomegameplay746
    @awesomegameplay746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the winter soldier !😀😁

  • @johnnyz333
    @johnnyz333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know the name of the background music?

  • @butareyousurethough9779
    @butareyousurethough9779 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Winter Soldat"

  • @beckhamhockett2002
    @beckhamhockett2002 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome! i loved this vid cuz well u know m acount pic is the winter solger

  • @shabbydabby9976
    @shabbydabby9976 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow amazing video

  • @damaniqphillip2756
    @damaniqphillip2756 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome

  • @maxyoutube0660
    @maxyoutube0660 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So he was a super solider for years and he and no one else noticed. Doesn’t make sense. He would have noticed the upgrade in strength.

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I mean obviously when they made _The First Avenger_ they didn't think of that, but since they added that he got the serum in 1943 in _The Winter Soldier_ and _The Falcon and The Winter Soldier_ I guess in canon Bucky noticed & just didn't tell anyone?

    • @maxyoutube0660
      @maxyoutube0660 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loganbigmo maybe I guess lol.

  • @sparrowcide
    @sparrowcide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why Zemo killed the Death Squad?

    • @heartoface
      @heartoface 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cuz he didn't want them to hurt anymore people like his family they were victims and also like bucky the super soldier serum was forced upon him

  • @cicisong1886
    @cicisong1886 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    IM GONNA CRY IM SO UPSET THAT BUCKY GOT BRAINWASHED WAAAAA D:

  • @sparshitasahu2539
    @sparshitasahu2539 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't recognize most of the clips. Which movie is this from?

  • @BurdenofTheMighty
    @BurdenofTheMighty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hulk with super soldier serum. And no, not abomination. Hulk. With. Super. Serum.

    • @loganbigmo
      @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean, in the MCU, Bruce became Hulk because of the serum.

  • @Bahle_Gaji
    @Bahle_Gaji 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I get a link for the background music?

  • @tombassett
    @tombassett 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok

    • @bob_1216
      @bob_1216 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Tom

  • @loganbigmo
    @loganbigmo ปีที่แล้ว

    last TH-cam video I saw in 2022

  • @anasantiago3581
    @anasantiago3581 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah

  • @superxtroid5712
    @superxtroid5712 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    music at the beginning ?

  • @Coolgamer..
    @Coolgamer.. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty interesting

  • @TheAnimeStar
    @TheAnimeStar 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now he's nerf

  • @abdullahhussain9589
    @abdullahhussain9589 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Background music name?

  • @datsit2339
    @datsit2339 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lewra

  • @tobyou9169
    @tobyou9169 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    does bucky ever eat ???

  • @themandarin8289
    @themandarin8289 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    please what's the name of the song

  • @aaaadelarosa5561
    @aaaadelarosa5561 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who else gets triggered with the words???

  • @Moses562
    @Moses562 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did Hydra get Vibranium to make Buckie’s Arm

    • @Moses562
      @Moses562 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Siddarth S oh shit then. All this time I thought it was vibranium

    • @yas-sine7031
      @yas-sine7031 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How did stark got vibranium for cap's shield

    • @Moses562
      @Moses562 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yas-sine7031 Omds that’s a good question as well. I have a theory.
      In the black panther movie Prince N’jobu secretly had Vibranium stolen from Wakanda and started selling it. I think in Wakandan history there’s always been traitors who betrayed them by secretly taking Vibranium out of wakanda and selling it for billions to the outside world out of there own greed and personal gain. So I think there was a wakandan who secretly smuggled out Vibranium and sold it Howard stark.
      Wyt of my theory?

    • @johnnyz333
      @johnnyz333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The arm was actually made out of titanium.