She had the Alien Stompers on? Dang! Don't know how I missed that. I'm surprised Reebok hasn't released them again. I'd always wanted a pair, but I refuse to pay those crazy resell prices.
And her famous line get away from her you bi tch. And Rain going kamikaze with the pulse rifle like Ripley. Complete with the retro sound effects and alien screams.
@@riznix9237 Just looked and from what I can see it's just a mid top getting a release. I want the high top version Sigourney wore in Aliens. They're almost £2,000 a pair for the last release.
Interesting. I can see this going two ways: #1: The ships seen are not the Narcissus, but are just similar model escape pods (you have to assume that a station that size will have several of them). #2: They did track the Narcissus after finding the wreckage of the Nostromo and recovered it and the Alien. However, they might have left Ripley in cryosleep while they decided what to do with her. They had her report from the Narcissus log and possibly the additional information from Ash also stored on the ship's computer, so was there anything left to learn from waking her up? If they woke her then they would have a living witness to the creature they wanted to secretly examine and exploit. So, were they keeping her asleep why they worked out the ethical dilemma of killing her (for security purposes), or possibly recruiting her to the cause? Did the Narcissus break away from the station at the end due to the collision with the rings, and if so, did the onboard computer automatically set course again for Earth until it was rediscovered in Aliens?
Only potential problem with that was… the door was still sealed with the harpoon gun attached (as seen in the beginning of Aliens)… Unless of course they could access all of the computer functions from the outside of the ship…. That being said, I do like your theory and idea a lot if that is indeed the THE ship :)
@@tattooguy413 I forgot about that harpoon gun. Although you would think that an airlock door would have enough force to cut the cable like it was a piece of string or else you wouldn't get an airtight seal. I recall wondering about that when I first saw Aliens and they commented about not finding any evidence of a creature onboard. Did they think Ripley had gone spear-fishing in deep space just to pass some time with a half-melted harpoon? :-) Remote accessing the log kind of makes sense, so that one could slide. I think this is a movie I'm going to have to watch again when the BluRay comes out to see what else I can spot. Hopefully I can find a 3D version as some cinemas were showing it in 3D.
@@LanchburyConsultingLLC lmao spearfishing 😂😂😂 amazing. Love that Yeah, I need to watch this again on bluray too… The theatre I saw it in was quite dark on-screen… I always find things much clearer at home. Cheers friend 🍻
Yeah this is very plausible, also consider, that isolation happened 5 years before, so the beacon was turned off for the engineer ship, at this point, they had their sample, and keeping her on ice might have been a contingency because she knew the location. If their tests with Big Chap hadn't panned out and they needed fresher samples they had her frozen in the docking bay. It also adds an element to why it took them so long after to find her, after alien Romulus she would likely have been assumed as part of the wreckage , resulting in them not even bothering to look, and also lending to the plausibility that it was a surprise when she was found in aliens. It's not like they would just tell her the truth in aliens, yeah we kept you on ice just in case, while we experimented on the alien you were towing. There's no problem with the gun sealed with the harpoon in it. The scientists were basically a bunch of kids on Christmas, they were all giddy and had their toy Alien to play with, in comparison, Ripley was a sweater grandma knitted them, they didn't really want but might open up later to fake a smile for a picture. I'm pretty sure with all their technology they can cut a cable, considering that big chap was still even attached and the acid hadn't burned away the cable. Really, they have to open the door for that?
Only problem with it being the Narcissus would be they would never have opened it. In the beginning of Aliens the harpoon gun is still stuck in the hatch when the salvage crew cuts the door.
They did do a canon novel however where the Narcissus is opened and Ripley fights some Aliens on a colony planet so sadly that is already an issue. It's a good novel despite the shaky premise. I really enjoyed it.
I watched a ScreenCrush video the other day and the narrator kept saying Kyrosleep. When he said, "Corporal Hicks, played by Michael Beehan" I left the video.
I caught that, too. I think it was a definite spoiler/unconfirmed rumour getting the slip (apparently Daisy Ridley has been mentioned as a candidate to play Ripley in any future Alien movies that cross into the time period of the 1st 2 movies).
My wife and I are with you 💯 I wish guys like Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, Chris Gore wouldn't be so quick to take a baseball bat to it. It was the most enjoyable Alien sequel we've gotten in 40 some odd years.
@@MrLavajetbeing better than really bad movies doesn't mean this movie is good. It's third, but it's not close to the first two. I personally had slightly higher hopes for it than what we got.
F yeah it's awesome. But Alien 3 was pretty darn good too. Alien 4 was okay until the last act. But I would put Prometheus and Covenant as 3rd and 4th. I think we can all agree Ridley Scott gave us two underrated masterpiece that expanded the alien lore and universe. Not just a blatant rehash.
@@jonfreeman9682 And you'd be wrong. We won't all agree on your assertion that Prometheus and Covenant are underrated masterpieces. They're both over bloated ego projects that did far more damage to the lore than anything leading to them.
Im hoping theres a directors cut with the big chap!! In the film it was stated that the big chap was not dead and made kills before succumbing to station security😮😮😮
One problem this film creates is that if the company found the Nostromo's and Big Chap, then they would have also recovered the flight recorder and the Narcissus. That means that should have no trouble with finding the Derelict within the thirty-odd years between Romulus and Aliens.
One of the books, out of the shadows, already broke cannon by waking her up between the movies then erasing her memories after in a med pod and putting her back in cryo.
"Out of the Shadows" is one of the (very good) full cast audio dramas created in the Alien universe. That story's main element is that Ripley's journey in the Narcissus is interrupted around mid-time and then the story works out in a way as to still result in her being found 57 years after the original incident. I very much liked the story. Also, if we think about it, it was expected by Ripley to be found quite quickly. Yet it took so long her child lived out her life. So, it stands to reason that something happened. i.e. if that "something" was the Narcissus being on the Renaissance station and then released (either by will or accident) then it would be a kind of explanation as to why it keeps floating for decades to come. Still some issues could remain (i.e. why was she not extracted, albeit we can always say "due to higher authority's call" etc.) but it's still a cool thing to think about.
Also there was a comic or novelization that had Ripley during 50+ years in space where she had an encounter on a space station. Then continued the cryo sleep till Aliens where it said she was confusing memories with dreams
From Rook's account of events, it seems as if they had no idea of Big Chap's acidic blood at the time - but was an abrupt discovery when it was too late. Likely, WY could've shifted their focus to bioweapons after this discovery. Also it's possible an anomaly occurred in reverse engineering & genetically printing the facehuggers - as they seem to be unequipped with acidic blood. This would explain why they were able to experiment on them, and extract Z-01. Since the station is made of seemingly older tech, I theorise that their research and equipment wasn't as efficient as it appears on the surface. - Facehuggers were clearly flawed, as they were darker with barbed digits (also no acidic blood). - The Facehugger incubators had a design flaw in melting if they got too hot. - Z-01 was unrefined and likely still contained Xenomorph DNA - leading to the Offspring hybrid. This is why Andy's new directive was to take it back to Jackson's Star for development. - The Chestburster had a harder time exiting Navarro - also resorted to the cocoon which would explain why we hadn't seen it before. - Many of the doors were unable to close entirely in the Remus section (which was older than the Romulus section), suggesting faulty construction.
I always wondered if Weyland Yutani didn't deliberately put the colony on the planet in Aliens as a way to see how far the Xenomorph could go with enough human resources etc. An then send the marines in as if it was all an accident, and use Burke to get the samples etc. Burke does seem to have a secret mission brief before he goes there the same way Ash did in the first movie
@@chefzilla314I don't think so respectfully. The point of her beating the Perfect Organism is that she survived despite having no training, no weapons, no chance, and she does so a) just by not giving up and b) not making all the same bad choices everybody else does. There's also the fact that Ripley is the only person intuitive enough to suspect Ash. She shouldn't be able to kill an Alien without a weapon. It's not a problem that she does but it makes sense if she doesn't.
@@chefzilla314 I think it adds to the horror, they're called perfect organisms for a reason. Big chap surviving in the void makes the species that much scarier
@HenchmenNo616 Ash is the only one that refers to them as the Perfect Organism and several of us OG Alien fans see the Big Chap surviving the same way.
@@chefzilla314 I mean, the 'Big Chap' is also called 'The Perfect Organism' as much in both fan circles and even some officially licenced media. So it's a bit (incorrectly) nitpicky of you to say "only" Ash calls it that. In canon? Yeah. IRL, no. It's totally fine for someone to call them the 'Perfect Orgasms' if we're talking about the character, it's not his in universe name but he doesn't have one. Saying 'some of us fans think this', so what? There are some fans who feel the opposite. In other news, water wet. 🤷♂️ It's interesting if you tell us why you thinks it diminishes Ripley, that's an opinion and can have an interesting discussion with you, whether we agree or not it can still be cool. But saying 'oh but OG fans agree with me'... well. Like I said... so what?
@PhoenixRebirthed But that's not the point. At the Aliens point in the timeline the company is ignorant. But based on Romulus the Company know. It simply doesn't jive. Neither does Isolation, because if either Isolation or Romulus happened they would have been back to the derelict long before Ripley was found and woken up....
@@johnplath1072 Yup, exactly. It makes no sense. If they were aware of Ripley then they would also know she BBQ'd that bug after jettisoning it and there are thousands of eggs on LV426. Why search space for a possible dust mote of remaining overcooked xeno rather than going back to LV426?
I am positive that I saw a vessel identical to the Narcissus shuttle floating away when the Mining Hauler finally escaped from the station! It was in the shot where the station was colliding with the rings and the Mining Hauler was flying away. In that same shot I believe I saw s ship identical to the Narcissus shuttle also flying/drifting away.
Can't be Ripley's shuttle - at the beginning of Aliens, the harpoon gun is still stuck in the door from the end of Alien when the salvage cut through the door.
I think it might actually work now that I think about it. I never did really understand why the Narcissus didn't go to some known location. It's not much of a life pod if it just fires off in some nearly random direction with no beacon or anything. I can see them using the Narcissus to find Big Chap, and why they'd want to hold onto it with Ripley kept asleep...lest some scavengers find her and they have to have an inquiry etc (as we saw). Maybe they just didn't know what to do with her at that point. Easier to keep her on ice and ensure no one else found her. My only question would be why MU/TH/UR would have fired her off the doomed Romulus...unless someone else was in there with her piloting the ship, got picked up, and let her drift off into space, none the wiser.
I’ll say this that I didn’t notice in the movie, but since you’ve slowed down the trailer at 6:33 you can see the facehugger deposit the “seed” in Navarro
@@elguestoiii7314 yea it quickly went right into the hole in the ground it could of died wherever it went but seemed very alive n on the move to me 😂yea that’s tru but the whole gestation process was insanely quick tho
Watched the film again.. and i think they found ripley… recovered ship and tapped into ships log… and set out a search while ripley was blissfully unaware sleeping inside ship which was docked in station… as the station crashes into the rings you see 2 ships escaping… rain in one for final act… ripley in other left to drift.. all ties in together
I've been trying to determine where Jackson's Star is in relation to Epsilon Reticule. Jackson's Star is 65 LY from Earth and Epsilon Reticule is 60. Given that the Nostromo was hauling an ore processor. It's feasible that they stopped there for pick up and looking at the galaxy map provided in the Alien RPG. I think this is very likely.
There's a relatively recent audio drama where Ripley wakes up between Alien and Aliens, and has to deal with the Xenomorphs again. Then loses her memory at the end and gets put back into hyper sleep. It even has Ash in it, still "alive" inside the Narcissus computer and he serves as the main villain next to the Aliens. Romulus borrowed a few story elements from ilthat audio drama, so I wouldn't be surprised if Fede listened to it before working on the movie and it's a nod to that.
Honestly i dont feel like it messes with cannon. Maybe they picked her up then tracked the flight path to the wreckage. After that they got what they wanted and sent the ship to float off in space. Once the alien and their plans failed, they decide that they need to find ripley again in order to help track down the other xenomorphs. Therefor sending the rescue crew to he coordinates, the same way the company did in the first alien.
Nonsense. The official explanation may be a long shot but it still works much better. There's no need for the story to connect to Ripley because the Company already found what they wanted through other means.
My 2pc - I don't mind this being Ripley at all, as long as: They never disturbed her or the door, used WiFi (lol) to obtain the data for the Nostromo / Big Chap location, and a decent explanation on how it undocked during crash. i.e. Evil Rook. Also, I assume once Big Chap was brought back, he became absolutely the Priority, then he kicked off, rest is history
Also the company itself would probably have secret divisions that don’t all communicate to each other. I imagine the Renaissance station, would be of upmost secretiveness and they wouldn’t be broadcasting their findings to other sects of the company unless it was to the chairman him or herself. It’s still a bit bother some to me that Ripley is just there. I was fine with it being the same style ship as a nod but this is not over the line in my opinion.
I just want to know what Fede couldn't say, perhaps they have a sequel in mind if he has information he can't share since the films release, which I'll be all for, but I think the idea of these films connecting to the second film would be a fun and epic idea if done right, but will have to see in that regard, I can already see a Star Wars Rouge One type ending for a sequel if they make a sequel, but the idea of them having Ripley for years and only waking her when they need her is a diabolical idea, and I think would show how cruel the company can be, but with how heartless the company is being I just hope it doesn't turn into a Skynet type thing with the andriods, because really how evil and successful can one company be
It would of been easier for the Narcissus to be found rather than the cocoon. I’m guessing they found the ship first and the cocoon was near by. Didn’t get into the ship yet when SHTF.
Guys, did you realize that Kay and Bjorn are cousins? UGH That baby didn't stand a chance from the start. I'm not surprised that Kay didn't reveal who the father was. 😳
The Ripley easter egg is the harpoon from the harpoon gun she shot "big Chap" with, actually went through the xenomorph and is shown embedded in its back (you can see when they show the xeno hanging from the cords)
BUT WHAT ABOUT BURKE, THOUGH? I CAN BELIEVE THE OTHER CORPORATE SUITS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ALIEN. BUT 40 YEARS LATER IN ALIENS, BURKE CLEARLY KNEW THE COMPANY WANTED IT FOR THEIR BIO WEAPONS DIVISION.
@filmbuff2777 AGREED. BUT MY POINT IS SIMPLY THAT ROMULUS SAYS THE COMPANY MOVED ON FROM WANTING THE ALIEN FOR A BIO WEAPON TO WANTING TO USE THE DNA TO EVOLVE HUMANS. BURKE IN ALIENS AND EVEN BISHOP IN ALIEN 3 CLEARLY STILL WANT IT AS A WEAPON.
having worked in corporate America for decades...that is kinda easy.....1. tons of liars, 2. need to know, 3. Non-discloser agreements. True story....I am still bound to this day to answer " I don't know....." if I am asked if I know when the iPhone 1 will launch. Other people in other departments had their NDAs lifted, but those of us involved with the software (and I was very loosely involved with that) are still bound. That was cleared up with later NDAs (3-4 era)....but you get the picture. companies can be very siloed floor one does not talk with floor 2 or 3, in the case of a mega corp like Weyland-Yutani...it is very believable to think different parts of the same company might not even be on the same planet let alone talk about top secret company info.
I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BELIEVING MOST OF THE COMPANY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ALIEN. BUT WHAT ROMULUS STATED WAS THAT THE COMPANY CHANGED THEIR MOTIVE FROM WANTING IT AS A BIO WEAPON TO WANTING IT FOR DNA RESEARCH TO AUGMENT HUMANS FOR SPACE. WHICH IN ITSELF MAKES NO SENSE SINCE ALL FORMS OF ROBOTS AND ANDROIDS EXIST. BUT IT MAKES LESS SENSE IF 40 YEARS LATER IN ALIENS BURKE CLEARLY KNOWS THEY STILL WANT IT FOR BIO WEAPONS WORK.
I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BELIEVING MOST OF THE COMPANY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ALIEN. BUT WHAT ROMULUS STATED WAS THAT THE COMPANY CHANGED THEIR MOTIVE FROM WANTING IT AS A BIO WEAPON TO WANTING IT FOR DNA RESEARCH TO AUGMENT HUMANS FOR SPACE. WHICH IN ITSELF MAKES NO SENSE SINCE ALL FORMS OF ROBOTS AND ANDROIDS EXIST. BUT IT MAKES LESS SENSE IF 40 YEARS LATER IN ALIENS BURKE CLEARLY KNOWS THEY STILL WANT IT FOR BIO WEAPONS USE.
Rook or the WY would probably have put a lot of value in the shuttle. They retrieved the shuttle remotely accessed the logs and found a search area for the alien. Ripley was of low importance but may have been keeped asleep for later interrogation if they didn't find the alien. The shuttle would still have been classified as important and would be jettisoned in an emergency. At least that is how I interpret it.
@@scottchristman1035 There is a major problem with the automatic jettison theory. 1st, the ship would have to eject Ripley's spacecraft away from the rings which is about a 25% chance the cargo hold is facing away from the rings. 2nd, the ship would need to use thrusters since the ship would just drift into the rings due to gravity which would meen hey opened the door to the ship to gain access to the onboard computer to then autopilot the ship since ejection wouldn't be enough. 3rd, there is a logical fallacy in that if the company doesn't seem Ripley's life of any importance to wake her up from hypersleep then why would they waste their time setting up auto pilot control and emergency ejection protocols if Ripley simply isn't important and is probably better of dead in the company's perspective in eliminating witnesses. The mission clearly stated crew lives were expendable, what has changed to make Ripley's life valuable for the company???
The main question always was and still is. There is an alien ship full of eggs on LV-426 and Weyland-Yutani knows that the ship is there. Why didn't they send a fully ecuiped scientific team to retrieve as many eggs as possible? Instead Carter Burke send Newt's family to the location to investigate, wich led to the downfall of Hadley's Hope. After Aliens it was never explored if the ship and eggs are still there, where they came from, and who the pilot was. To watch a movie, that expalines most of that, would be cool.
makes sense since both Ripley and the Alien were very close together at the end of the movie. maybe they found her... looked for any pathogen, creatures, anything useful and found noting so they relesed her to the hospital.
While I really enjoyed the movie there were certain things that pulled me out of it like the direct line references so when I go to watch alien Romulus and aliens back to back I'm going to have two separate characters repeating the same line" get away from her you *****" and something like that Doesn't work for me🤣 when the Blu-ray releases my fan cut is going to take that line out completely and at most just leave the line "get away from her"
You're probably right, but this has little to do with the concept of Alien and more to do with the themes of Prometheus. That would further confirm Cameron disowning the film because it became Ridley derivative. Weyland-Yutani was not meant to be a planet controlling force. It was a mining company. At best it was East India in space. But Ridley changed that with Prometheus and that makes it more like Star Wars and less like Outland, which for all intents and purposes is set in the Alien universe
The inclusion of the Narcissus probably WAS intended as a little Easter Egg for eagle-eyed fans..... But it's also opened up new quesions (why didn't the company open it up to get Ripley out?), and maybe answered another glaring question (just where did they get all of those Facehuggers from?). Definitely opened up fan debate with this installment of the franchise. I DO hope we get a sequel as they did a good job with this one 🤞
Bishop human made it clear in A3 that they wanted the creature as it is a magnificent specimen. Back then the black goo didn't exist in the franchise. No point in trying to wedge it in now for being the reason they want the creatures.
The film starts really well and id have been happy if it just continued like that on the colony but the rest of the film was almost entirely just references to the other movies
People are extremely fickle about what they will accept, waking Ripley early has already been done in print, but Isolation doesn't make sense if you factor in that Amanda dies from old age. If she had encountered the xenomorphs early in life I'm pretty sure she'd be a threat to the company, and probably wouldn't have made it to her senior years.
I always felt in the second movie that Burke told Ripley that Amanda had died because if she was actually alive, why would Ripley not go home to see her? The company needed her at Akaron/LV-426 so with Amanda ‘dead’ it would be easier to convince Ripley to do what they want.
@@Matt-pl1tb They didn't you're confusing the chronology. Asking about Amanda was one of the first things she did, and Burke got back to her even before her debriefing, and before the talk of the Alien ever came up. And even though secondary canon likes to portray the company as some sort of borderline demonic cabal, in the Aliens movie proper, they're just an opportunistic corporation operating within rule of law, unless far away from sight. The only reason the whole Acheron snafu took place, was because Burke wanted to climb up the company ladder, and decided to investigate her ramblings. If it's just ramblings he ain't losing anything, but if there's really something over there, he just got filthy rich. The whole Nostromo thing was buried deep under to avoid gigantic lawsuits and everyone involved took these secrets to the grave, and no one had any idea - until Burke got uppity.
If it weren't for the end portion of the movie with the Offspring, I wouldn't have cared for the movie at all. It was the movie's best portion and saving grace, imo. That said, it was a pretty damn good film.
I think, regardless of easter eggs, that there’s a couple implications from this film about Ripley and Weyland-Yutani. First of all, they clearly knew where Ripley was but did not care at all about her wellbeing, the priority was always the Xenomorph and she was expendable. As for Weyland Yutani and their goal of evolving humanity or weaponising Xenomorphs, I imagine this is a company so vast and large that no one person or department knows everything that goes on and they are all deliberately kept semi in the dark, which is similar to some intelligence agencies today.
Question, how did Rook know that the big chap was blown out of the airlock if everyone apart from Ripley died in Alien. And what is the timeline between Alien, Romulus and Aliens as Ripley was picked up 57yrs after Alien and then took another cryo trip back to LV-426 with the colonial marines.
Feels weird what Fede is doing here messing with Alien cannon a bit, I would love it if he changed Alien 3, though Romulus feels more disconnected from the rest of the franchise anyways.
Unfortunately I think that they may try to work Ripley in to it and it may also be the reason as to why we didn't get the big chap scenario, or even snippets of what happened in the movie as I have a bad feeling that they're going to bring Ripley in to the comic book somehow... its much easier to do that than to put her in the movie.
I was kind of hoping they had Ripley's ship docked at the Renaissance station. They intended to open it after conducting experiments on Big Chap, but Chap woke up. When Rain and Andy escape, the destruction sends Ripley's ship back into space
I think there’s a bigger nod to Ellen Ripley.. or more to Sigourney Weaver. Listen to the voice of mother onboard Romulus, giving out warnings of the impending collision with the rings of the planet. I’m convinced the voice is Sigourney. The symbolism of having her voice mother is the biggest nod to her there can be surely. She gave birth figuratively and literally to the Aliens saga. Listen again…
If that was the case, wouldn’t that completely negate Aliens and everything forward due to the station crashing while the Narcissus was still there? I assumed they incorporated Isolation into canon. That was set 5 years prior to Romulus, and with the Anesidora getting ahold of the Nostromo flight recorder, that perfectly explains how WY figured out the location of the wreckage, and knew about Big Chap.
Maybe they went with some plotlines similar to Out Of The Shadows but changed them slightly. Possibly downloaded Ash's memory/programme into stations computer so didn't need to ipen up the Narcissus or wake up Ripley as they knew from Ash she wasn't infected. They possibly got Ash to delete all references to the Alien from the black box. The collison qith planets rings threw the Narcissus into a flight path that took it out of the regular space routes for another 37 years.
The hints to other films does get a bit much when Andy said "get away from her... you bitch" I know Fede did have that one guy in the film call Andy bitch a few times but still a little too on the nose, but I don't want that to be the down fall of this film, all I ask is they fix that deep fake when they release the film on streaming
i’m glad other more prominent youtube reviewers like critical drinker are being more honest about the film. unlike mr h who can’t see past the bad dialogue, bland characters, dumb plot and rehashing bits from other films
@@paulwoodford1984 I don't know what your talking about since the characters in this film are the most realistic I've seen in awhile, the only odd thing was Rain going back for Andy after how messed up he was becoming but suppose makes sense, just wish there was a few flashbacks of the father telling her those jokes before the robot took them up, but in all seriousness I liked these characters, they didn't irate me or anything, Rain didn't try to be a man, the other characters I believed cared about eachother, although I think they were rushed a bit through there grief but that was fine, at the end of the day just wish the film was longer
There is an audiobook I forget the name of it. But explains what happened to Ripley in that time that she was floating around. Ash installed himself into that lifeboat. He was the one controlling where she was going. I forget the name of it but it's a pretty good audiobook. Though
I like the idea that the company is compartmentalised. With different divisions interested in different aspect. Big companies have a lot of underhandedness and competition that gets quite nasty. It's another interresting part of it.
It’s funny how people hate the movie because of callbacks and fan service, yet praise films like no way home which is the most fan serviced film ever. (Overall an average flick, nothing special)
@@goldenshark3182 they reused lines in no way home. I’ll admit I hated the “get away from her you bitch” line but it wasn’t enough to ruin the whole film
@@thecaptaindeadpool5098 No, there were several, Andy didn’t just copy Ripley, he copied Bishop too with, “I prefer the term, artificial person myself.” Then you had “I won’t lie to you about your chances…but you have my sympathies” from literally the exact same character copied and pasted from Alien.
It's a interesting theory of different divisions in the company not aware of each other's movements and I can see why. Burk is a prime example of this, trying to get a head to move up the corporate ladder, you keep your plans to yourself or else another will steal it for themselves. this could be another reason for Ripley being on the station, as a bargaining cheap or for trade. Cailee who played Rain in this movie did show a lot of spunk, I won't be surprised she is going to be the new Ripley, But I think they need other characters and not just another girl with her robot buddy to move this thing forward.
spoiler! this movie raises an issue, and then possibly solves the issue...if....ripley was on board the entire time. This movie floats the idea that life support is finite in the sleeper cryro pods....they need extra fuel to last long periods of time....making Ripley staying in one for decade after decade...a possible issue. There was ways around that...like..pods are made mission specific, or heyyy life boats have tier 1 pods....etc...you can create a solution....but Ripley's pod being in a space station being serviced for half the time she was "missing" creates a nice neat solution to the problem too. side note....I really disliked several characters in this new movie....but I love the movie...that is super rare for me....I think it goes to show how great this movie was. We have reboot after reboot after reboot these days and very few have been able to bridge the past to the present as well as this movie had....in fact if they lost a couple of rehashed catch phrases it would have been nearly perfect.
They threw a lot of easter eggs from previous Alien films so it wouldn't surprise me if Ripley was in the film. Will probably get confirmation in a special edition release.
@@edgarplummer6750 Yes I agree , 100% mother. I think it was a part of her prime directive, I'm thinking also that Rooke the android was completely aware of Ripley and in turn so was rains Android friend when he took rookes chip.
Why would the Company go after the big chap , when the on board computer in the Riley’s shuttle would have had the coordinates of the engineers crashed ship from the original movie ?
What I don't get is the pods needed fuel for stasis, what was it 9 months or something and yet the one Ripley was in lasted for over 50yrs which is another thing that didn't add up in this movie
Different model and different design for different purpose I belive that those would be for closer evacs and narsassis was designed to be a life boat that would be differently designed not to mention there are 2 stasis pods so I belive the supply rate would be much longer on Ripleys pod rather than the 5 pack of romulus
Perhaps it was a case of needing extra "fuel" so supply the required number of pods. Ripley might have lasted 50 years as the Narcissus only had one pod operating (which is why she might have shared her pod with Jones) and the ship itself had additional cryofuel to channel to the installed pods. If two pods were running then it might have exhausted the "fuel" in 25 years. Lambert and Parker were grabbing extra "fuel" because it looked like they would have need to run 3 pods for all of them to escape. The ones they were looking to salvage from the station looked like portable units that might have a limited capacity.
An Easter eggs confirmed by the supervisor Daniel Macarin of WETA DIGITAL we can see a small ship when the Station rebirth this Crach it is the NARCISSUS on board Ellen RIPLEY and the cat in Cryo Sleep.
I thought Ripley stated in the original when she is repairing Ash, "they must have wanted it for their weapons division." maybe she was partially right
I don't understand why the company were looking for the alien. Why didn't they just go to the planet from Alien 1 and get an egg from the crashed ship.
I've notice a lot of reviews and people talking about the movie...well at least on my end...they are calling Ripley Ridley and repeatedly too. Has anyone else notice this problem of saying Ellen's last name wrong.
It makes a lot more sense that they would have the Narcissus as well - homing in on the shuttle's beacon in order to find the creature makes a lot more sense than finding it randomly, drifting among the debris scattered through space. Also, the Big Chap is shown to have the grappling hook still in it, it didn't seem to me in the OG Alien that the creature was blown away hard enough to break a corded metallic line(I always assumed the xeno was cooked to death, not blown off into space) and the gun is still in the door jamb in the opening scene of Aliens. If the company was only looking for the creature, then Ripley was unimportant and maybe worse - they left her frozen for potential experiments ona person presumed dead by everyone not on the space station.
She looked out the window - and do you really think Ellen Ripley would have left it at just one quick look after the day she had?... There was no alien still attached to a metal cable when she got undressed and went to sleep in there. Make it make sense.
I have a good answer why the company was surprised in Aliens. Because whatever happened in this film never happened when Cameron was writing his script for the sequel. I don't think it's good when we have to go back and deconstruct Aliens to explain another, which chronologically had happened before the sequel but was not intended to exist back back then. Before anyone's gonna say that R. Scott had never intended to have a queen and the deleted scene would confirm it. Sure but the thearetical cut which is the official version of the film does not dismiss anything that happened in Aliens. You didn't have to go back and create theories/intensive explanations for it to make sense. Alien 3 with that egg in the beginning is quite an offender here.
I loved the movie but now all I want to see is another bug hunt! I want the Marines back and ready to fight another infestation. Hearing the pulse rifle just wanted me wanting to hear more of it.
I agree, the company knew she was there but was in no rush to retrieve her until all Hell broke loose and they had to use her and the Marines at that point. Pretty cool Easter Egg, does make sense.
One of the most notable aspects of Romulus has been gestation periods after being facehugged/impregnated. What if a chestburster has an element of control that can delay or speed up its arrival into a new environment. Ripley does not x-ray herself until Alien 3. I think that could have big implications to Canon depending a wide variety of theories that could evolve if Ripley was on Renaissance.
I'm not sure about her ship being docked, but maybe she was picked up then set adrift due to not being impregnated as may be she would be inconvenient to Weyland Yutani with a burgeoning plan of colonising Acheron and "accidentally" finding the crashed alien ship.
I believe the company is highly compartmentalized. Different divisions so now one has all the secrets. Maybe even infighting to one up each other. Corporate inner rivalry
Ripley was not aboard the station. Again, read the books. She was pulled out of cryo for the events of Out of the Shadows. Then put back in until the events of Aliens.
Of all the things they added to this movie, I actually really liked this Easter egg & think it works well! I believe they did keep Ripley in deep sleep the whole time. Can anyone explain how this may break the lore if so? Cheers!
This theory makes NO SENSE!!! If Ripley is on Romulus or Remus then why does she not die from the explosion from the collision with the planet's ring? Did Rook autopilot the ship at a random location causing Ripley to drift into space for +50 years instead of piloting the ship to a company location to learn what she knew about the xenomorph? If Rook wanted Ripley dead better to have her die in the explosion than send her into uncharted space. Like I said this theory has so many plot holes it can't possibly be true!
The only Ripley easter egg I noticed were the Reebok shoes that Rain wore
She had the Alien Stompers on?
Dang! Don't know how I missed that.
I'm surprised Reebok hasn't released them again.
I'd always wanted a pair, but I refuse to pay those crazy resell prices.
And her famous line get away from her you bi tch. And Rain going kamikaze with the pulse rifle like Ripley. Complete with the retro sound effects and alien screams.
@@TheRetroManRandySavage pretty sure they did rerelease them. I've been seeing them on social media.
Look out the window when they are waiting to go in the romulus module 🤔
@@riznix9237 Just looked and from what I can see it's just a mid top getting a release.
I want the high top version Sigourney wore in Aliens.
They're almost £2,000 a pair for the last release.
Interesting. I can see this going two ways:
#1: The ships seen are not the Narcissus, but are just similar model escape pods (you have to assume that a station that size will have several of them).
#2: They did track the Narcissus after finding the wreckage of the Nostromo and recovered it and the Alien. However, they might have left Ripley in cryosleep while they decided what to do with her. They had her report from the Narcissus log and possibly the additional information from Ash also stored on the ship's computer, so was there anything left to learn from waking her up? If they woke her then they would have a living witness to the creature they wanted to secretly examine and exploit. So, were they keeping her asleep why they worked out the ethical dilemma of killing her (for security purposes), or possibly recruiting her to the cause? Did the Narcissus break away from the station at the end due to the collision with the rings, and if so, did the onboard computer automatically set course again for Earth until it was rediscovered in Aliens?
Only potential problem with that was… the door was still sealed with the harpoon gun attached (as seen in the beginning of Aliens)…
Unless of course they could access all of the computer functions from the outside of the ship….
That being said, I do like your theory and idea a lot if that is indeed the THE ship :)
@@tattooguy413 I forgot about that harpoon gun. Although you would think that an airlock door would have enough force to cut the cable like it was a piece of string or else you wouldn't get an airtight seal. I recall wondering about that when I first saw Aliens and they commented about not finding any evidence of a creature onboard. Did they think Ripley had gone spear-fishing in deep space just to pass some time with a half-melted harpoon? :-)
Remote accessing the log kind of makes sense, so that one could slide.
I think this is a movie I'm going to have to watch again when the BluRay comes out to see what else I can spot. Hopefully I can find a 3D version as some cinemas were showing it in 3D.
@@LanchburyConsultingLLC lmao spearfishing 😂😂😂 amazing. Love that
Yeah, I need to watch this again on bluray too…
The theatre I saw it in was quite dark on-screen… I always find things much clearer at home.
Cheers friend 🍻
Yeah this is very plausible, also consider, that isolation happened 5 years before, so the beacon was turned off for the engineer ship, at this point, they had their sample, and keeping her on ice might have been a contingency because she knew the location. If their tests with Big Chap hadn't panned out and they needed fresher samples they had her frozen in the docking bay.
It also adds an element to why it took them so long after to find her, after alien Romulus she would likely have been assumed as part of the wreckage , resulting in them not even bothering to look, and also lending to the plausibility that it was a surprise when she was found in aliens.
It's not like they would just tell her the truth in aliens, yeah we kept you on ice just in case, while we experimented on the alien you were towing.
There's no problem with the gun sealed with the harpoon in it. The scientists were basically a bunch of kids on Christmas, they were all giddy and had their toy Alien to play with, in comparison, Ripley was a sweater grandma knitted them, they didn't really want but might open up later to fake a smile for a picture.
I'm pretty sure with all their technology they can cut a cable, considering that big chap was still even attached and the acid hadn't burned away the cable.
Really, they have to open the door for that?
Why would they ever want her..she is a liability to them..
Only problem with it being the Narcissus would be they would never have opened it. In the beginning of Aliens the harpoon gun is still stuck in the hatch when the salvage crew cuts the door.
It's an obviously ridiculous suggestion - so, of course nobody cared.
They did do a canon novel however where the Narcissus is opened and Ripley fights some Aliens on a colony planet so sadly that is already an issue.
It's a good novel despite the shaky premise. I really enjoyed it.
@@JeremiahEcks777 the scrapped Aliens sequel with the script draft out floating about?
@@Scarn_Actual yes the harpoon gun is in the hatch but not the harpoon itself, that hit the alien.
@@JeremiahEcks777 yes, "Alien: Out of the Shadows", by Tim Lebbon
Did dude call her RIDLEY?
Yes
Yeah he did...tbf I'd love to see Ridley (from Metroid) in a sci-fi horror movie lol
I watched a ScreenCrush video the other day and the narrator kept saying Kyrosleep.
When he said, "Corporal Hicks, played by Michael Beehan" I left the video.
Someone get samus!!!
I caught that, too. I think it was a definite spoiler/unconfirmed rumour getting the slip (apparently Daisy Ridley has been mentioned as a candidate to play Ripley in any future Alien movies that cross into the time period of the 1st 2 movies).
I loved Alien Romulus. Best 3rd film since Alien and Aliens. I saw first Alien movie when i was 11, fell in love.
My wife and I are with you 💯
I wish guys like Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, Chris Gore wouldn't be so quick to take a baseball bat to it. It was the most enjoyable Alien sequel we've gotten in 40 some odd years.
@@MrLavajetbeing better than really bad movies doesn't mean this movie is good. It's third, but it's not close to the first two. I personally had slightly higher hopes for it than what we got.
@@MrLavajet Drinker wasn't wrong. It was a good movie... right until the 3rd act and then it went off the rails.
F yeah it's awesome. But Alien 3 was pretty darn good too. Alien 4 was okay until the last act. But I would put Prometheus and Covenant as 3rd and 4th. I think we can all agree Ridley Scott gave us two underrated masterpiece that expanded the alien lore and universe. Not just a blatant rehash.
@@jonfreeman9682 And you'd be wrong. We won't all agree on your assertion that Prometheus and Covenant are underrated masterpieces. They're both over bloated ego projects that did far more damage to the lore than anything leading to them.
No, it's not Ripley. It's an easter egg. 🤷♂️
Don't give Disney ideas guys.
Im hoping theres a directors cut with the big chap!! In the film it was stated that the big chap was not dead and made kills before succumbing to station security😮😮😮
One problem this film creates is that if the company found the Nostromo's and Big Chap, then they would have also recovered the flight recorder and the Narcissus. That means that should have no trouble with finding the Derelict within the thirty-odd years between Romulus and Aliens.
One of the books, out of the shadows, already broke cannon by waking her up between the movies then erasing her memories after in a med pod and putting her back in cryo.
"Out of the Shadows" is one of the (very good) full cast audio dramas created in the Alien universe. That story's main element is that Ripley's journey in the Narcissus is interrupted around mid-time and then the story works out in a way as to still result in her being found 57 years after the original incident. I very much liked the story. Also, if we think about it, it was expected by Ripley to be found quite quickly. Yet it took so long her child lived out her life. So, it stands to reason that something happened. i.e. if that "something" was the Narcissus being on the Renaissance station and then released (either by will or accident) then it would be a kind of explanation as to why it keeps floating for decades to come. Still some issues could remain (i.e. why was she not extracted, albeit we can always say "due to higher authority's call" etc.) but it's still a cool thing to think about.
The way I see it, the company knew she was out there, and left her to float away because they didn't care about her.
Exactly. Crew expendable.
Also there was a comic or novelization that had Ripley during 50+ years in space where she had an encounter on a space station. Then continued the cryo sleep till Aliens where it said she was confusing memories with dreams
From Rook's account of events, it seems as if they had no idea of Big Chap's acidic blood at the time - but was an abrupt discovery when it was too late.
Likely, WY could've shifted their focus to bioweapons after this discovery.
Also it's possible an anomaly occurred in reverse engineering & genetically printing the facehuggers - as they seem to be unequipped with acidic blood.
This would explain why they were able to experiment on them, and extract Z-01.
Since the station is made of seemingly older tech, I theorise that their research and equipment wasn't as efficient as it appears on the surface.
- Facehuggers were clearly flawed, as they were darker with barbed digits (also no acidic blood).
- The Facehugger incubators had a design flaw in melting if they got too hot.
- Z-01 was unrefined and likely still contained Xenomorph DNA - leading to the Offspring hybrid. This is why Andy's new directive was to take it back to Jackson's Star for development.
- The Chestburster had a harder time exiting Navarro - also resorted to the cocoon which would explain why we hadn't seen it before.
- Many of the doors were unable to close entirely in the Remus section (which was older than the Romulus section), suggesting faulty construction.
I always wondered if Weyland Yutani didn't deliberately put the colony on the planet in Aliens as a way to see how far the Xenomorph could go with enough human resources etc. An then send the marines in as if it was all an accident, and use Burke to get the samples etc. Burke does seem to have a secret mission brief before he goes there the same way Ash did in the first movie
The real question is HOW are you still wondering about something that was practically in your face during the whole movie. 😂
@@RoaryUK in Alien 1 it was but not in Aliens
Alien isolation 2 se on Romulus would be great
Alien Isolation would make an incredible film as long as they stick to the exact vibe/story of the game.
Yes. Give me that instead of this shite any day.
@@mrmhj9925womp womp. The movie was great.
I haven't touched an Alien comic outside of Darkhorse, but if the prequel comic features Big Chap running amok in Romulus station, I'd be interested
I don't like the fact that Ripley didn't kill the Big Chap. That plot line diminishes her character arc and sacrifice.
@@chefzilla314I don't think so respectfully. The point of her beating the Perfect Organism is that she survived despite having no training, no weapons, no chance, and she does so a) just by not giving up and b) not making all the same bad choices everybody else does. There's also the fact that Ripley is the only person intuitive enough to suspect Ash.
She shouldn't be able to kill an Alien without a weapon. It's not a problem that she does but it makes sense if she doesn't.
@@chefzilla314 I think it adds to the horror, they're called perfect organisms for a reason. Big chap surviving in the void makes the species that much scarier
@HenchmenNo616 Ash is the only one that refers to them as the Perfect Organism and several of us OG Alien fans see the Big Chap surviving the same way.
@@chefzilla314 I mean, the 'Big Chap' is also called 'The Perfect Organism' as much in both fan circles and even some officially licenced media. So it's a bit (incorrectly) nitpicky of you to say "only" Ash calls it that. In canon? Yeah. IRL, no. It's totally fine for someone to call them the 'Perfect Orgasms' if we're talking about the character, it's not his in universe name but he doesn't have one.
Saying 'some of us fans think this', so what? There are some fans who feel the opposite. In other news, water wet. 🤷♂️
It's interesting if you tell us why you thinks it diminishes Ripley, that's an opinion and can have an interesting discussion with you, whether we agree or not it can still be cool. But saying 'oh but OG fans agree with me'... well. Like I said... so what?
If they knew were LV-426 was, why'd they not just go there and collect specimens instead of search for big chap for 20 years?
In the game Alien Colonial Marines, they eventually returned to LV-426 after the events of Aliens and did experiments within the Derelict
@PhoenixRebirthed But that's not the point. At the Aliens point in the timeline the company is ignorant. But based on Romulus the Company know. It simply doesn't jive. Neither does Isolation, because if either Isolation or Romulus happened they would have been back to the derelict long before Ripley was found and woken up....
@@johnplath1072 Yup, exactly. It makes no sense. If they were aware of Ripley then they would also know she BBQ'd that bug after jettisoning it and there are thousands of eggs on LV426. Why search space for a possible dust mote of remaining overcooked xeno rather than going back to LV426?
Safercto capture a dead specimen rather than a live one. Prior to this, I don't believe they had encountered a fully fledged Xenomorph.
"No one knows what's been happening all those years she's been drifting away"
Alien Isolation I thought was a canon addition to the lore.
That's a good way to get people to go watch it multiple times to boost sales
I am positive that I saw a vessel identical to the Narcissus shuttle floating away when the Mining Hauler finally escaped from the station! It was in the shot where the station was colliding with the rings and the Mining Hauler was flying away. In that same shot I believe I saw s ship identical to the Narcissus shuttle also flying/drifting away.
Can't be Ripley's shuttle - at the beginning of Aliens, the harpoon gun is still stuck in the door from the end of Alien when the salvage cut through the door.
I think it might actually work now that I think about it. I never did really understand why the Narcissus didn't go to some known location. It's not much of a life pod if it just fires off in some nearly random direction with no beacon or anything. I can see them using the Narcissus to find Big Chap, and why they'd want to hold onto it with Ripley kept asleep...lest some scavengers find her and they have to have an inquiry etc (as we saw). Maybe they just didn't know what to do with her at that point. Easier to keep her on ice and ensure no one else found her. My only question would be why MU/TH/UR would have fired her off the doomed Romulus...unless someone else was in there with her piloting the ship, got picked up, and let her drift off into space, none the wiser.
The shoes and watch communicator. Multiple homage moments
The concept of human evolution, reminds me of the "Xeno-Zip" from Aliens: Beyond Earth War comic
Really liked it tbf. Gen.
I’ll say this that I didn’t notice in the movie, but since you’ve slowed down the trailer at 6:33 you can see the facehugger deposit the “seed” in Navarro
Holy shit u can that’s insane good eye mate
Took me a few times to spot it but wow that is disgusting. Thank you for pointing it out🤩
@@elguestoiii7314 man but ngl only plot hole is that shouldn’t of that face hugger died due to completing its job ?
@@juanrussy773 I don’t remember, did it not die afterwards? They did pull it off of her prematurely.
@@elguestoiii7314 yea it quickly went right into the hole in the ground it could of died wherever it went but seemed very alive n on the move to me 😂yea that’s tru but the whole gestation process was insanely quick tho
Watched the film again.. and i think they found ripley… recovered ship and tapped into ships log… and set out a search while ripley was blissfully unaware sleeping inside ship which was docked in station… as the station crashes into the rings you see 2 ships escaping… rain in one for final act… ripley in other left to drift.. all ties in together
I've been trying to determine where Jackson's Star is in relation to Epsilon Reticule. Jackson's Star is 65 LY from Earth and Epsilon Reticule is 60. Given that the Nostromo was hauling an ore processor. It's feasible that they stopped there for pick up and looking at the galaxy map provided in the Alien RPG. I think this is very likely.
Could be different directions or, as STAR TREK II taught us, on the Z axis up or down. Stop thinking so linearly.
There's a relatively recent audio drama where Ripley wakes up between Alien and Aliens, and has to deal with the Xenomorphs again. Then loses her memory at the end and gets put back into hyper sleep. It even has Ash in it, still "alive" inside the Narcissus computer and he serves as the main villain next to the Aliens. Romulus borrowed a few story elements from ilthat audio drama, so I wouldn't be surprised if Fede listened to it before working on the movie and it's a nod to that.
Honestly i dont feel like it messes with cannon. Maybe they picked her up then tracked the flight path to the wreckage.
After that they got what they wanted and sent the ship to float off in space.
Once the alien and their plans failed, they decide that they need to find ripley again in order to help track down the other xenomorphs. Therefor sending the rescue crew to he coordinates, the same way the company did in the first alien.
Nonsense. The official explanation may be a long shot but it still works much better. There's no need for the story to connect to Ripley because the Company already found what they wanted through other means.
The cornbread was subtle!🌽
My 2pc - I don't mind this being Ripley at all, as long as: They never disturbed her or the door, used WiFi (lol) to obtain the data for the Nostromo / Big Chap location, and a decent explanation on how it undocked during crash. i.e. Evil Rook. Also, I assume once Big Chap was brought back, he became absolutely the Priority, then he kicked off, rest is history
Also the company itself would probably have secret divisions that don’t all communicate to each other. I imagine the Renaissance station, would be of upmost secretiveness and they wouldn’t be broadcasting their findings to other sects of the company unless it was to the chairman him or herself. It’s still a bit bother some to me that Ripley is just there. I was fine with it being the same style ship as a nod but this is not over the line in my opinion.
I just want to know what Fede couldn't say, perhaps they have a sequel in mind if he has information he can't share since the films release, which I'll be all for, but I think the idea of these films connecting to the second film would be a fun and epic idea if done right, but will have to see in that regard, I can already see a Star Wars Rouge One type ending for a sequel if they make a sequel, but the idea of them having Ripley for years and only waking her when they need her is a diabolical idea, and I think would show how cruel the company can be, but with how heartless the company is being I just hope it doesn't turn into a Skynet type thing with the andriods, because really how evil and successful can one company be
He wants a sequel and he's making comics In Oct to explain plot holes
"Rouge One" - I like that 😀
Maybe we'll get the answer in a directors commentary on DVD/Blu-Ray.
It would of been easier for the Narcissus to be found rather than the cocoon. I’m guessing they found the ship first and the cocoon was near by. Didn’t get into the ship yet when SHTF.
Guys, did you realize that Kay and Bjorn are cousins? UGH That baby didn't stand a chance from the start. I'm not surprised that Kay didn't reveal who the father was. 😳
I just assumed it was his kid. And yes, he was a douche.
Work "Ridley" into the story... :D
I caught that, too. 😂
The Ripley easter egg is the harpoon from the harpoon gun she shot "big Chap" with, actually went through the xenomorph and is shown embedded in its back (you can see when they show the xeno hanging from the cords)
The ship’s floors were melting like hell, when they finally shot Big Chap again but the harpoon is still intact stuck in its body? Weird
BUT WHAT ABOUT BURKE, THOUGH? I CAN BELIEVE THE OTHER CORPORATE SUITS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ALIEN. BUT 40 YEARS LATER IN ALIENS, BURKE CLEARLY KNEW THE COMPANY WANTED IT FOR THEIR BIO WEAPONS DIVISION.
Burke took advantage of the co-ordinates which would have come out in the inquest.
@filmbuff2777 AGREED. BUT MY POINT IS SIMPLY THAT ROMULUS SAYS THE COMPANY MOVED ON FROM WANTING THE ALIEN FOR A BIO WEAPON TO WANTING TO USE THE DNA TO EVOLVE HUMANS. BURKE IN ALIENS AND EVEN BISHOP IN ALIEN 3 CLEARLY STILL WANT IT AS A WEAPON.
having worked in corporate America for decades...that is kinda easy.....1. tons of liars, 2. need to know, 3. Non-discloser agreements. True story....I am still bound to this day to answer " I don't know....." if I am asked if I know when the iPhone 1 will launch. Other people in other departments had their NDAs lifted, but those of us involved with the software (and I was very loosely involved with that) are still bound. That was cleared up with later NDAs (3-4 era)....but you get the picture. companies can be very siloed floor one does not talk with floor 2 or 3, in the case of a mega corp like Weyland-Yutani...it is very believable to think different parts of the same company might not even be on the same planet let alone talk about top secret company info.
I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BELIEVING MOST OF THE COMPANY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ALIEN. BUT WHAT ROMULUS STATED WAS THAT THE COMPANY CHANGED THEIR MOTIVE FROM WANTING IT AS A BIO WEAPON TO WANTING IT FOR DNA RESEARCH TO AUGMENT HUMANS FOR SPACE. WHICH IN ITSELF MAKES NO SENSE SINCE ALL FORMS OF ROBOTS AND ANDROIDS EXIST. BUT IT MAKES LESS SENSE IF 40 YEARS LATER IN ALIENS BURKE CLEARLY KNOWS THEY STILL WANT IT FOR BIO WEAPONS WORK.
I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BELIEVING MOST OF THE COMPANY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ALIEN. BUT WHAT ROMULUS STATED WAS THAT THE COMPANY CHANGED THEIR MOTIVE FROM WANTING IT AS A BIO WEAPON TO WANTING IT FOR DNA RESEARCH TO AUGMENT HUMANS FOR SPACE. WHICH IN ITSELF MAKES NO SENSE SINCE ALL FORMS OF ROBOTS AND ANDROIDS EXIST. BUT IT MAKES LESS SENSE IF 40 YEARS LATER IN ALIENS BURKE CLEARLY KNOWS THEY STILL WANT IT FOR BIO WEAPONS USE.
This theory makes ZERO SENSE! If Ripley is on Romulus or Remus then how the heck did she not die in the collision with the planet's rings?
Rook or the WY would probably have put a lot of value in the shuttle. They retrieved the shuttle remotely accessed the logs and found a search area for the alien. Ripley was of low importance but may have been keeped asleep for later interrogation if they didn't find the alien. The shuttle would still have been classified as important and would be jettisoned in an emergency. At least that is how I interpret it.
@@scottchristman1035 There is a major problem with the automatic jettison theory. 1st, the ship would have to eject Ripley's spacecraft away from the rings which is about a 25% chance the cargo hold is facing away from the rings. 2nd, the ship would need to use thrusters since the ship would just drift into the rings due to gravity which would meen hey opened the door to the ship to gain access to the onboard computer to then autopilot the ship since ejection wouldn't be enough. 3rd, there is a logical fallacy in that if the company doesn't seem Ripley's life of any importance to wake her up from hypersleep then why would they waste their time setting up auto pilot control and emergency ejection protocols if Ripley simply isn't important and is probably better of dead in the company's perspective in eliminating witnesses. The mission clearly stated crew lives were expendable, what has changed to make Ripley's life valuable for the company???
The main question always was and still is. There is an alien ship full of eggs on LV-426 and Weyland-Yutani knows that the ship is there. Why didn't they send a fully ecuiped scientific team to retrieve as many eggs as possible? Instead Carter Burke send Newt's family to the location to investigate, wich led to the downfall of Hadley's Hope. After Aliens it was never explored if the ship and eggs are still there, where they came from, and who the pilot was. To watch a movie, that expalines most of that, would be cool.
makes sense since both Ripley and the Alien were very close together at the end of the movie. maybe they found her... looked for any pathogen, creatures, anything useful and found noting so they relesed her to the hospital.
While I really enjoyed the movie there were certain things that pulled me out of it like the direct line references so when I go to watch alien Romulus and aliens back to back I'm going to have two separate characters repeating the same line" get away from her you *****" and something like that Doesn't work for me🤣 when the Blu-ray releases my fan cut is going to take that line out completely and at most just leave the line "get away from her"
You're probably right, but this has little to do with the concept of Alien and more to do with the themes of Prometheus. That would further confirm Cameron disowning the film because it became Ridley derivative. Weyland-Yutani was not meant to be a planet controlling force. It was a mining company. At best it was East India in space. But Ridley changed that with Prometheus and that makes it more like Star Wars and less like Outland, which for all intents and purposes is set in the Alien universe
Love your deep dives and overall style Mr H 😎
The inclusion of the Narcissus probably WAS intended as a little Easter Egg for eagle-eyed fans..... But it's also opened up new quesions (why didn't the company open it up to get Ripley out?), and maybe answered another glaring question (just where did they get all of those Facehuggers from?).
Definitely opened up fan debate with this installment of the franchise. I DO hope we get a sequel as they did a good job with this one 🤞
The Facebuggers were 3d printer by reverse engineering the Big Chap. This was explained in the film. You even see the 3d printers.
It was a lifeboat probably tbh the same model and I think people are looking too Deep into it
@@X774M not by accident, by design. The same lifeboat being included was intentional.
Well it could just be another ship within the same line. Just like Rook is from the same line as Ash.
Bishop human made it clear in A3 that they wanted the creature as it is a magnificent specimen. Back then the black goo didn't exist in the franchise. No point in trying to wedge it in now for being the reason they want the creatures.
Watched it last night
Freekin awesome
Could also explain how there was egg on the narcissist in aliens
The film starts really well and id have been happy if it just continued like that on the colony but the rest of the film was almost entirely just references to the other movies
The memberberries really took over and some were damned cringy.
@chefzilla314 there also no need for the digital bilbo baggins
@@anytimecowboy I agree completely.
@@anytimecowboyThat was incredibly goofy. I was cringing
@Us3r739 the end too, I can't believe the director didn't think it was like alien 4, it was my first thought and I cringed
People are extremely fickle about what they will accept, waking Ripley early has already been done in print, but Isolation doesn't make sense if you factor in that Amanda dies from old age.
If she had encountered the xenomorphs early in life I'm pretty sure she'd be a threat to the company, and probably wouldn't have made it to her senior years.
Or so Burke TOLD Ripley that's what happened ;)
I always felt in the second movie that Burke told Ripley that Amanda had died because if she was actually alive, why would Ripley not go home to see her?
The company needed her at Akaron/LV-426 so with Amanda ‘dead’ it would be easier to convince Ripley to do what they want.
@@Matt-pl1tb They didn't you're confusing the chronology.
Asking about Amanda was one of the first things she did, and Burke got back to her even before her debriefing, and before the talk of the Alien ever came up. And even though secondary canon likes to portray the company as some sort of borderline demonic cabal, in the Aliens movie proper, they're just an opportunistic corporation operating within rule of law, unless far away from sight. The only reason the whole Acheron snafu took place, was because Burke wanted to climb up the company ladder, and decided to investigate her ramblings. If it's just ramblings he ain't losing anything, but if there's really something over there, he just got filthy rich.
The whole Nostromo thing was buried deep under to avoid gigantic lawsuits and everyone involved took these secrets to the grave, and no one had any idea - until Burke got uppity.
If it weren't for the end portion of the movie with the Offspring, I wouldn't have cared for the movie at all. It was the movie's best portion and saving grace, imo. That said, it was a pretty damn good film.
I think, regardless of easter eggs, that there’s a couple implications from this film about Ripley and Weyland-Yutani.
First of all, they clearly knew where Ripley was but did not care at all about her wellbeing, the priority was always the Xenomorph and she was expendable.
As for Weyland Yutani and their goal of evolving humanity or weaponising Xenomorphs, I imagine this is a company so vast and large that no one person or department knows everything that goes on and they are all deliberately kept semi in the dark, which is similar to some intelligence agencies today.
Question, how did Rook know that the big chap was blown out of the airlock if everyone apart from Ripley died in Alien. And what is the timeline between Alien, Romulus and Aliens as Ripley was picked up 57yrs after Alien and then took another cryo trip back to LV-426 with the colonial marines.
The fact someone knew it went out the airlock and they got the alien. I think they had her
Deep dive lore video! Let's go!!! Thanks Nate.
Feels weird what Fede is doing here messing with Alien cannon a bit, I would love it if he changed Alien 3, though Romulus feels more disconnected from the rest of the franchise anyways.
Unfortunately I think that they may try to work Ripley in to it and it may also be the reason as to why we didn't get the big chap scenario, or even snippets of what happened in the movie as I have a bad feeling that they're going to bring Ripley in to the comic book somehow... its much easier to do that than to put her in the movie.
I was kind of hoping they had Ripley's ship docked at the Renaissance station. They intended to open it after conducting experiments on Big Chap, but Chap woke up. When Rain and Andy escape, the destruction sends Ripley's ship back into space
I think there’s a bigger nod to Ellen Ripley.. or more to Sigourney Weaver. Listen to the voice of mother onboard Romulus, giving out warnings of the impending collision with the rings of the planet. I’m convinced the voice is Sigourney. The symbolism of having her voice mother is the biggest nod to her there can be surely. She gave birth figuratively and literally to the Aliens saga. Listen again…
If that was the case, wouldn’t that completely negate Aliens and everything forward due to the station crashing while the Narcissus was still there?
I assumed they incorporated Isolation into canon. That was set 5 years prior to Romulus, and with the Anesidora getting ahold of the Nostromo flight recorder, that perfectly explains how WY figured out the location of the wreckage, and knew about Big Chap.
I was thinking that also
If they woke her up i think she would've politely closed her pod back up 😂
Maybe they went with some plotlines similar to Out Of The Shadows but changed them slightly. Possibly downloaded Ash's memory/programme into stations computer so didn't need to ipen up the Narcissus or wake up Ripley as they knew from Ash she wasn't infected. They possibly got Ash to delete all references to the Alien from the black box. The collison qith planets rings threw the Narcissus into a flight path that took it out of the regular space routes for another 37 years.
The hints to other films does get a bit much when Andy said "get away from her... you bitch" I know Fede did have that one guy in the film call Andy bitch a few times but still a little too on the nose, but I don't want that to be the down fall of this film, all I ask is they fix that deep fake when they release the film on streaming
i’m glad other more prominent youtube reviewers like critical drinker are being more honest about the film. unlike mr h who can’t see past the bad dialogue, bland characters, dumb plot and rehashing bits from other films
@@paulwoodford1984 I don't know what your talking about since the characters in this film are the most realistic I've seen in awhile, the only odd thing was Rain going back for Andy after how messed up he was becoming but suppose makes sense, just wish there was a few flashbacks of the father telling her those jokes before the robot took them up, but in all seriousness I liked these characters, they didn't irate me or anything, Rain didn't try to be a man, the other characters I believed cared about eachother, although I think they were rushed a bit through there grief but that was fine, at the end of the day just wish the film was longer
romulus scrip is so weak that one line is literally least of its problems
@@zbigniewiksinski Watch the first Alien movie and let me know if it tickles your fancy any better
Yall just looking for any excuse to hate the movie this was the best Alien movie since Aliens
I’ve been wondering why no one has been talking about it, the Narcissus was clear as day on the big screen.
There's the book Alien: Out of the Shadows which does have Ripley. This happens between Alien and Aliens.
There is an audiobook I forget the name of it. But explains what happened to Ripley in that time that she was floating around. Ash installed himself into that lifeboat. He was the one controlling where she was going. I forget the name of it but it's a pretty good audiobook. Though
I like the idea that the company is compartmentalised. With different divisions interested in different aspect. Big companies have a lot of underhandedness and competition that gets quite nasty.
It's another interresting part of it.
I completely missed the shuttle being docked!!! 🤯
It’s funny how people hate the movie because of callbacks and fan service, yet praise films like no way home which is the most fan serviced film ever. (Overall an average flick, nothing special)
Because the callbacks are sh*t in Romulus when they have different characters use the exact same lines as the classic ones, it’s lazy writing.
@@goldenshark3182 they reused lines in no way home. I’ll admit I hated the “get away from her you bitch” line but it wasn’t enough to ruin the whole film
@@goldenshark3182that was only one line. People acting the whole movie was shit because of 1 line😂😂😂
Not all callbacks are equal.
@@thecaptaindeadpool5098 No, there were several, Andy didn’t just copy Ripley, he copied Bishop too with, “I prefer the term, artificial person myself.” Then you had “I won’t lie to you about your chances…but you have my sympathies” from literally the exact same character copied and pasted from Alien.
It's so freaking awesome to put the Easter eggs in there for that has anybody played alien isolation
I thought it was cool that Sigourney weaver was the voice of mother.
Who said that? A completely different actress does the voice per the credits.
Did the guy really call Ripley 'Ridley'?
When I was younger I always confused the director Ridley Scott with Ellen Ripley. They have similar last names
It's a interesting theory of different divisions in the company not aware of each other's movements and I can see why. Burk is a prime example of this, trying to get a head to move up the corporate ladder, you keep your plans to yourself or else another will steal it for themselves. this could be another reason for Ripley being on the station, as a bargaining cheap or for trade.
Cailee who played Rain in this movie did show a lot of spunk, I won't be surprised she is going to be the new Ripley, But I think they need other characters and not just another girl with her robot buddy to move this thing forward.
Makes sense to me, My company offices down the hall don't even communicate
If Ripley was on the space station when it crashes how can she be found later at the beginning of Aliens?
And why the harpoon on the Big Chap didn't melt? Still a mystery.
I never thought about that actually, hm
Why didnt it melt in the first movie
I guess it was a plot device to show that it was the original Alien big Chap
Its hard to tell them apart
@@danielpeckham5520neither did the director
What ever material that harpoon is made from needs to be studied 😂
Acid freezes at -42 c . Space is 2.7° above absolute zero temp (-450°) .
spoiler! this movie raises an issue, and then possibly solves the issue...if....ripley was on board the entire time. This movie floats the idea that life support is finite in the sleeper cryro pods....they need extra fuel to last long periods of time....making Ripley staying in one for decade after decade...a possible issue. There was ways around that...like..pods are made mission specific, or heyyy life boats have tier 1 pods....etc...you can create a solution....but Ripley's pod being in a space station being serviced for half the time she was "missing" creates a nice neat solution to the problem too. side note....I really disliked several characters in this new movie....but I love the movie...that is super rare for me....I think it goes to show how great this movie was. We have reboot after reboot after reboot these days and very few have been able to bridge the past to the present as well as this movie had....in fact if they lost a couple of rehashed catch phrases it would have been nearly perfect.
They threw a lot of easter eggs from previous Alien films so it wouldn't surprise me if Ripley was in the film. Will probably get confirmation in a special edition release.
Critical drinkers review is spot on
If that is Ripley's life pod onboard the space station, then who launched her back into space when the station was destroyed?
Could have broken off before finally crashing I guess......big if tho
Maybe it was an emergency safe launch like what happened in Alien 3
Wy programed the ship to be released in case of emergency
@@yeawhateverdudesure Mystery solved thanks. I was thinking maybe MU/TH/UR did it - so your right either way?
@@edgarplummer6750 Yes I agree , 100% mother. I think it was a part of her prime directive, I'm thinking also that Rooke the android was completely aware of Ripley and in turn so was rains Android friend when he took rookes chip.
Why would the Company go after the big chap , when the on board computer in the Riley’s shuttle would have had the coordinates of the engineers crashed ship from the original movie ?
What I don't get is the pods needed fuel for stasis, what was it 9 months or something and yet the one Ripley was in lasted for over 50yrs which is another thing that didn't add up in this movie
Different model and different design for different purpose I belive that those would be for closer evacs and narsassis was designed to be a life boat that would be differently designed not to mention there are 2 stasis pods so I belive the supply rate would be much longer on Ripleys pod rather than the 5 pack of romulus
9 years not months.
Perhaps it was a case of needing extra "fuel" so supply the required number of pods. Ripley might have lasted 50 years as the Narcissus only had one pod operating (which is why she might have shared her pod with Jones) and the ship itself had additional cryofuel to channel to the installed pods. If two pods were running then it might have exhausted the "fuel" in 25 years. Lambert and Parker were grabbing extra "fuel" because it looked like they would have need to run 3 pods for all of them to escape. The ones they were looking to salvage from the station looked like portable units that might have a limited capacity.
An Easter eggs confirmed by the supervisor Daniel Macarin of WETA DIGITAL we can see a small ship when the Station rebirth this Crach it is the NARCISSUS on board Ellen RIPLEY and the cat in Cryo Sleep.
I thought Ripley stated in the original when she is repairing Ash, "they must have wanted it for their weapons division." maybe she was partially right
I don't understand why the company were looking for the alien. Why didn't they just go to the planet from Alien 1 and get an egg from the crashed ship.
I don't know how she would be in the station when the start of aliens shows her floating in space in the escape shuttle.
I've notice a lot of reviews and people talking about the movie...well at least on my end...they are calling Ripley Ridley and repeatedly too. Has anyone else notice this problem of saying Ellen's last name wrong.
It makes a lot more sense that they would have the Narcissus as well - homing in on the shuttle's beacon in order to find the creature makes a lot more sense than finding it randomly, drifting among the debris scattered through space. Also, the Big Chap is shown to have the grappling hook still in it, it didn't seem to me in the OG Alien that the creature was blown away hard enough to break a corded metallic line(I always assumed the xeno was cooked to death, not blown off into space) and the gun is still in the door jamb in the opening scene of Aliens. If the company was only looking for the creature, then Ripley was unimportant and maybe worse - they left her frozen for potential experiments ona person presumed dead by everyone not on the space station.
She looked out the window - and do you really think Ellen Ripley would have left it at just one quick look after the day she had?...
There was no alien still attached to a metal cable when she got undressed and went to sleep in there. Make it make sense.
I have a good answer why the company was surprised in Aliens. Because whatever happened in this film never happened when Cameron was writing his script for the sequel. I don't think it's good when we have to go back and deconstruct Aliens to explain another, which chronologically had happened before the sequel but was not intended to exist back back then.
Before anyone's gonna say that R. Scott had never intended to have a queen and the deleted scene would confirm it. Sure but the thearetical cut which is the official version of the film does not dismiss anything that happened in Aliens. You didn't have to go back and create theories/intensive explanations for it to make sense. Alien 3 with that egg in the beginning is quite an offender here.
I loved the movie but now all I want to see is another bug hunt! I want the Marines back and ready to fight another infestation. Hearing the pulse rifle just wanted me wanting to hear more of it.
I agree, the company knew she was there but was in no rush to retrieve her until all Hell broke loose and they had to use her and the Marines at that point. Pretty cool Easter Egg, does make sense.
No it doesn't. It's the total opposite of Sense.
One of the most notable aspects of Romulus has been gestation periods after being facehugged/impregnated. What if a chestburster has an element of control that can delay or speed up its arrival into a new environment. Ripley does not x-ray herself until Alien 3. I think that could have big implications to Canon depending a wide variety of theories that could evolve if Ripley was on Renaissance.
I'm not sure about her ship being docked, but maybe she was picked up then set adrift due to not being impregnated as may be she would be inconvenient to Weyland Yutani with a burgeoning plan of colonising Acheron and "accidentally" finding the crashed alien ship.
I believe the company is highly compartmentalized. Different divisions so now one has all the secrets. Maybe even infighting to one up each other. Corporate inner rivalry
How about Aliens out the shadows the audiobook. The bring Ripley back between 1st and 2nd movie there if I recall correctly
Ripley was not aboard the station. Again, read the books. She was pulled out of cryo for the events of Out of the Shadows. Then put back in until the events of Aliens.
Of all the things they added to this movie, I actually really liked this Easter egg & think it works well! I believe they did keep Ripley in deep sleep the whole time. Can anyone explain how this may break the lore if so? Cheers!
This theory makes NO SENSE!!! If Ripley is on Romulus or Remus then why does she not die from the explosion from the collision with the planet's ring? Did Rook autopilot the ship at a random location causing Ripley to drift into space for +50 years instead of piloting the ship to a company location to learn what she knew about the xenomorph? If Rook wanted Ripley dead better to have her die in the explosion than send her into uncharted space. Like I said this theory has so many plot holes it can't possibly be true!