It's obvious what happened. The dude fell into an ice crevice and got Isekai'd. He became a hero in some fantasy world for 14 months and then came back. I'm telling you. It's a real life Isekai.
If the ice on the Great Lakes moves as much as you say, then it is possible that the tracks leading off the lake where erased by the movement of the ice?
As somebody with anxiety once said, The urge to just walk into the night and start over is pretty strong. Not in a suicidal way, just a reset of sorts. It's possible he joined a commune or other arrangement where he didn't "need" money for those 14 months, then just got a bus ticket back to his aunt's house at the end of his stint. Blanket amnesia is a strong alibi vs trying to maintain a story.
Not to mention, it wouldn't be the first time someone just up and left their life in a genuine fugue state and seemingly snapped out of it just as randomly days or months later. Usually caused by extremely anxiety and/or trauma
I think it’s important to remember that in the 70s (heck, I’d say through the 90s), mental health wasn’t a thing that many tried to take care of. If you or someone in your family needed to see a “head shrink”, it was shameful. That’s why it makes sense to ME (an old) that he was unwilling to see a therapist. 🤷🏻♀️
One day, you see a newspaper article talking about a man who went missing three states over. "Damn," you say, "that's wild." And then you go back to work. Later that same day, you see a guy who looks exactly like the missing guy. Albeit, you didn't pay much attention to his face in the paper because it was three states over, no way it could be your problem. Then you realize: this guy is walking around alone and under his own power. No one appears to have kidnapped him and he doesn't look lost. "He obviously can't be the missing guy. Must just look alike. Anyways" That's how someone can go missing, be national news, and no one realize they are looking right at him.
And honestly think about how many people who in passing look the same. I mean you see one picture of a person from a completely different state then go about your daily life and then asked "hey you remember this guy, which one was he" it would be so hard just to remember which person was in fact the missing person and not a look alike.
@@Dukedogdog that's also related to how there are times where people will report "seeing" someone who was definitely dead days/weeks/months beforehand (just not found yet)
You have no idea how much I respect the fact that you don't go out of your way to throw in creepy music and editing for no reason other than to scare people more than the subject you're covering.
I just found his channel and was thinking exactly the same. I love the morbid and mysterious and learning about true crime cases but HATE hate HATE when people purposefully add scary music, sound effects, or even jumpscares. It’s just so unnecessary and annoying. Like, brother I’m still tryna sleep tonight without feeling like I’m being watched or gonna be murdered lmao
My grandpa has an eerily similar story about his uncle back in the 1920's. This uncle took his dog with him everywhere he went. He had a wife and kids and a farm. He lived a pretty routine rural life. He went in to town one day in his truck, with his dog, like normal. Parked downtown, near the rail road tracks. Normal. Left his dog in the truck because he was probably just going to run in to a store real quick before moving on to other errands... again, normal. But he just... disappeared. Left dog and his wallet behind in his truck. Absolutely no sign of what happened to him. He never went in the store or did any of his other errands. About 9 months went by. He just walked back in to town one day. Wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase. Which was very unusual. He was a farmer. He owned one suit, his "marryin' & buryin'" suit and it was hanging in the closet at home. He had no idea any time had passed. He had no idea where he'd been or what happened or how he ended up in a suit carrying a briefcase. He just showed up in town wondering where his truck and his dog were. Only other thing I know about this story is that this incident is what got my grandpa believing in aliens. It happened when he was about 12 or so.
It sounds like you know enough details like names and places and even possibly dates. Or years of or what ever. If you wanted to share this story one more time with Mr. David Polidus at CAN/AM MISSING 411 he has a team who studies and filters many missing people's cases to see what should go into his books. This story sounds like it belongs there. Thank you. Very interesting. !!
Setting the supernatural aside for a moment there are a couple forms of dissociative disorders that could fit. There is this thing where people do just that and suddenly come back. There is a case of a woman that every time there is a big storm near her, her brain resets and she goes to different places and starts living a new life.
About the whole "how did no one recognise him" thing; the Clark Kent effect is very strange. If you meet someone and they introduce themselves with a different name and it's not someone you have been told is dangerous, you might just ignore that your new bestie looks like some dude who was on the news
lol The Clark Kent effect is crazy. I've got a kind of generic face and I cannot tell you how many times someone has not recognized me that KNOWS me. I once walked into a workplace to check my upcoming work schedule and the manager that hired me didn't recognize me because my hair was down...I'd worked there for 3 YEARS. lol Apparently my face is so common, I've also got a doppelganger walking around. My husband thought I was lying to him because he saw me outside his workplace sitting at a traffic light. I had to prove I was 12 miles away sitting on the couch with the cat by taking a series of photos.
@@smm855 I have never experienced the Clark Kent for myself, but the generic face/presents I have, lol. Once, my dad came home and I was sitting in the dark (it was right after sunset). I wave to him and his gf, say hi and everything. No respond. My dad goes to turn on the light and his gf sees me, jumps and then my dad jumps, lol. I've also stood next to people who apparently didn't notice me
@@smm855this effect is quite strong sometimes, you might even, easily, not recognize a coworker you see every day simply because they're not in the uniform or attire you're used to seeing them in. It would absolutely be possible to meet an acquaintance while wearing different clothes than normal and with a different attitude than normal and have them not even recognize you for extended periods of time. Especially if you were in a fugue state and weren't acting like your normal self. Therefore, Stephen might even have gotten a ride from someone familiar that didn't even recognize him to California, where no one would have even heard about his disappearance or knew him.
when i was about 17-18 something like this happened i went to take my mom lunch and all of her coworkers genuinely could not figure out who i was i had been going in a few times a week for 2 years at this point to bring my mom something she forgot or to eat a late lunch or dinner with her even brought in baked goods occasionally. My mom is a hair stylist and she even does my hair so id be on the floor actively having conversations with them and showing off my new tattoos for hours and they just couldn't recognize me. I had to call my mom out of the back office to verify who i was.
I entered a dissociative fugue back in early 2019. I have a few patchy memories from the time, but the main thing I recall is confusion at not understanding the alarm song on my phone that morning around 7:00 but knowing that I needed to be somewhere soon. I "woke up" close to noon in the campus library, a 20-minute bus ride from my apartment. The weirdest part to me is that I rarely visited that library because the business college library I used was elsewhere. My family and I launched into a surge of medical exams and the docs at Mayo Clinic decided it was likely triggered by a sleep-deprivation-induced seizure of sorts that occurred the preceding evening. The lesson: please actually sleep. Humans are not nocturnal.
I had actual insomnia for a period of about 6 months in 2020-2021. It's crazy what your brain does when it happens. I wouldn't "sleep" per se most of the time, it was like I just zoned out (obviously some of that time I WAS sleeping, otherwise I would be dead), then next thing I knew it was 8am and I couldn't quite remember the last 6 hours. Sometimes I would be in the same place, sometimes I wouldn't. I could remember things from the last 6 hours, but not enough to fill up the entire time. The reason for it was essentially PTSD from work. I quit my job and all of the sudden I was able to sleep again. I was in such a state of pins and needles from my job that my mind basically never left fight-or-flight. I learned a lot about work/life balance from that time, and I feel confident in telling any potential employer that they can shove their "family oriented atmosphere" straight up their ass if that means I have to be on high-alert all the time.
@@PalmelaHandersonwow I'm so glad you figured out what was causing it and got away from that job....NO JOB is worth endangering your health or mental health. I'm glad you're doing better ❤️😊
Steven's story reminds me a lot of my brother, who (perhaps not coincidentally) also graduated from Hope College. My brother had a steady girlfriend, was doing well academically in his third or fourth year, and was halfway through a promising paid internship; but he quietly struggled with depression regardless, unbeknownst to me or the rest of the family. Unable to cope any longer, he dropped everything, broke it off with the girlfriend, and abruptly left for over a month to ride his bike around Lake Michigan. Fortunately he told us about his plans before he left, stayed in regular contact, and occasionally met up with friends or family along the way. Years later, in another depressive episode, he opened up to us about his struggles and his desire to drop everything, tell no one, and leave on his bike for good. Maybe Steven had the same impulse and actually followed through on it. Regardless, I'm relieved his story had a happy ending.
I think that is exactly the case Even though it's always tragic when someone is suffering from depression, I'm glad that some people cope with it by taking a break from their life and returning when they feel better instead of ending it ❤️🩹
Even tho I literally live just over a mile away from Lake Erie, everytime I encounter the names of the Great Lakes in written form my mind automatically goes to picturing a small pond in the middle of the woods somewhere. So when I read how your brother rode his bike around Lake Michigan for a month, I immediately had this funny image in my head of your brother just riding around some tiny pond in a circle for a month straight 😂
@@mikeygraves16 That's interesting, because I always think the opposite way, having lived my whole life on the shores of the Great Lakes - every other lake I see seems ridiculously small, because in my mind, the word "lake" has always meant Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, or Lake Huron, whichever I've been living on at the time. Out of curiosity, have you done any sailing? I've found that getting out on the water really makes you appreciate just how big those lakes really are. Then again, I also did a couple of seasons on a lake freighter to help pay my way through school back in the day, so I've seen just how big they are close up!
@@neuralmute My sister and brother-in-law live in Thunder Bay, right on Lake Superior. You are 100% correct about getting out on the water giving you a better appreciation for the size of the lakes. Flying over them is also another great way to really appreciate just how freaking huge those lakes are. It's literally like flying over the ocean lol. You see nothing but sky and water in every direction all the way to the horizon. It's also pretty sobering to know just how many ships have been lost to the Lakes, especially Superior.
After watching The Missing Enigma video about Steven, I'm 110% convinced that he disappeared on purpose, and after those 14 months (presumably living in San Francisco), decided to come back. The fact he went to his aunt first, and not his parents, is very telling.
As an ice fisher in upstate NY I'll say this. You would be amazed at how fast a hole in the ice freezes over again given the right conditions. Could only be a few hours before it looks, on the surface, like nothing ever happened
Having amnesia despite what people think often times people DONT want to know what happened. Often times its not because of "did i do bad" but more"how horrible was the event that i wiped the harddrive over"its acknowledging that you have a blessing that you can't recall it. source:diagnosed with it
I can also imagine that there might be a sense of peace. I don't remember her name, but there was a woman who had two separate events where she wondered off and she seemed to not really care (If I am remember correctly) and since there must have been a reason it began, there might be a sense of "Oh, well, at least it's over" and therefore a lack of want to explore it. This is ofc just me speaking, lol. I have, as far as I know, not had any incidents where I wandered off, but I have had multiple incidents where I just forget what happened even though people say that I was engaged or participating in a conversation (these always freak me out, lol). I often end up justifying these moments to myself as "it must have been too boring to focus" even though I know that's probably not why
@@JDM-is-my-name your logic isn't far off. even after recovering memory issues are still an issue especially with triggers of the event (mine was an explosion) so things will make you lose weeks of time at a time despite being"ok" to an outside observer. interesting fact 9 months to 1 year is the soft cut off period for recalling anything from the events end. The brain will also try and fill in gaps with false shit that if you asked anyone about they would would look at you like youre nuts.
I wonder if he could of had a sever concusion affecting his cognative abilities and self egos..leaving him without a foundation but still able to function..over the years neurons and synapses beald and connected slowly and slowly things came back to him...but with the missing time in between
As someone who has experienced fugue states it always fascinates me when they are associated with cases like this. I often worry about going out in public by myself because I’m very easily stressed out in open or crowded areas, especially in my home town, because I’ve wandered off before and I’m not necessarily in control when it happens. I’m also almost always extremely disoriented, scared, paranoid, and absent (according to people who’ve witnessed it) and can be near nonsensical at times. Used to wander the halls of my school aimlessly unable to recall where I was going, where I just was, what classes I had, where they were, etc. Dissociation is technically something anyone can do, it just needs to be “activated” by something traumatic in order to become “disordered.” It’s speculated that a lot of it is genetic, and to get a lot of the more lifelong manifestations like I have it generally has to begin in childhood, but drugs and later traumatic events can cause it too. It happens when you’re in so much distress you *have* to “get away” but are for whatever reason unable to, kinda like the minds way of shielding itself. I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure what happened to him, but if it was dissociative that just leaves more questions than before, because what the hell would’ve freaked him out so much that he had to dissociate from it for a year??? And how did he manage to eat, sleep, and take care of himself all without anyone noticing??
@@christinejalandoni5919 yeah, I know it happens to me, and it's often just feeling tired. But when I'm not tired any more I go back to normal. However, it's hard to remember what I was doing while I was tired. It's not full amnesia, but it's fickle what I can remember.
Specifically Dissociative Identity Disorder isn't genetic, and can only be caused by severe trauma below the age of 8 years old, so it's completely unlikely that Steven had it. (For reference, I have it)
One quick thing about dissociative episodes, they can also occur in situations of high stress or anxiety as a defense mechanism, particularly if the person has also not slept well in the days prior to the episode. Source: me lol. Before I was officially diagnosed with GAD (generalized anxiety disorder), I had a dissociative episode where I started driving to work, zoned out, and snapped to several hours later having driven a considerable distance during that time with zero memory of it. I was extremely stressed due to work, college, and home life and in that moment, my brain just kind of went "Nope, we're going on autopilot for a little while."
My husband once woke up driving on highway, he said it was so scary and confusing! He recognized where he was (it was the road he took to work, only it was 4am on weekend now), had to pull over on the nearest gas station, assess the situation and just to calm down, before driving back home. He said he just took some deep breaths, checked the car, scared of what hed find, and smoked a cigarette. Luckily it happened only once, in his early 20s, he hadnt slept enough and was stressed out about his job. Im just happy he didnt crash or run over somebody! And its pretty impressive what our minds can do on autopilot :)
@@janemiettinen5176this has happened to me a few times where I'll just suddenly "come to" while driving, with no recollection of the last few minutes, maybe 30 minutes, maybe the last hour. Did I zone out? Was I just THAT deep in thought? Did I have amnesia? Was it just a giant sort of brain fart? Was I so on autopilot I had absolutely zero memorable thoughts in that time? I never figure it out, even much later. Then, only twice in my life, have I woken up in bed, with NO recollection of getting home whatsoever, but with my car parked at my house as normal. One of the times, I'm ashamed to say, I had been drinking heavily the night before, which concerned me that I might have been drunk enough to forget driving home and yet still did it. But the other time this happened, I was completely sober. And yet I had NO memory whatsoever of how I got home. And memory loss is not something that typically happens to me for no discernable reason.
I once nearly walked right into traffic because I was so stressed out by my job and lack of sleep that I had literally stopped 'seeing' with my eyes while I was walking and stepped off the curb on a green light. The driver honking frantically and screeching to a halt is the only thing that snapped me out of it. My eyes were working, and my legs were going the right way, but my brain wasn't absorbing any information from my eyes and my body was on autopilot as my brain was acting like a dying rabbit. *edited typos*
Interesting. I don't have any sort of diagnosed conditions, but in my early twenties I worked 2 jobs and for several weeks I was only sleeping 3-4 hours a day at most. During that time, there was one morning I left work around 7am having started the previous day at 2pm. The drive home was about 15 minutes. I had a convertible at the time, and I was driving on the highway with the top down, blasting music. Then I remember looking around and not recognizing any of the buildings. Somehow I had missed my exit, and about two hours had passed. I lived about 40 minutes north of Dallas TX, and for some reason I was now in Waco. A second incident occurred a year ago or so later. I left my double shift at night this time, around 10pm. And "woke up" around 6am on the side of the road parked in front of the entrance to some company that builds equipment for the military. Just as I woke up, a state trooper pulled in behind me to see what I was doing. Not wanting to sound crazy, I said the first thing that came to mind. That I hit a wild hog (the road was pretty middle of nowhere) and my car stalled, and I'm waiting for AAA. When I got back to the car, I tried to assess the situation. The car was completely out of gas. It was full when I left work (I worked at a gas station and had just filled up before leaving). So then I actually did end up calling AAA for a tow truck, and to make some calls to friends to ask for a ride, and let my job know I wasn't gonna make it in today bc I was sick. While I was sitting there, I decided to look through the camera roll on my phone and it was full of pictures. They were all very blurry, like they were taken at high speeds or with extremely shaky hands. All the lights were streaked. There were pictures of what looked like an airport, of security gates, and of a city skyline a few hundred feet off the ground. Still have no explanation for that.
If Steven was in fact a Dutch Calvinist (which seems likely, since he went to Hope College), it's important to know that can be very restrictive culture, with a lot of pressure to behave in a certain way. There's not really any room to explore your own identity or deviate from that career path your family wants from you. Even now, seeing a therapist is often seen as a sign of weakness, a sign that you're not strong enough to handle suffering or that you don't trust God.
Love your attention to detail of Native American culture even when its not a main focus, you take the time, as a Canadian indigenous women, thank you! (You cover Can/usa ppls ❤ not more than the other either, just give thw info straight on no matter the people.) Ive been watching for a while now and your research level in these days is unparalleled 🎉😊. Miigwech!
The dissociative state seems the most likely to me, even for that long of a period of time. I know a guy who used to have a lot of those moments and once he had one that lasted for 3 months. The scary thing is that I hung out with him multiple times throughout those 3 months and there was nothing to indicate that things were diffrent than usual, yet there's 3 months that are just entirely gone from his memory.
The fugue/dissociative-state explanation makes no sense when you think through it logically. It's simply not plausible. He just happens to lose all his memory while out skiing, by himself, in the middle of a frozen lake? While he's miles away from anyone? Too convenient. And instead of walking back to the shore where his gear is waiting, he wanders off to.....somewhere else? And was never recognized for the next 14 months, and never sought help from anyone to solve his memory problems? Steven Kubacki planned this whole thing, 100%. He wanted to disappear.
@@coderexe30 Well I agree with you at least on the part that it probably wasn't what happened, even though I think it's one of the more reasonable explanations. I agree that his behavior seems to indicate it was likely planned iether by him or someone else. What I wanna know though is how the hell he left no tracks.
@@theepicjoey3215 to be honest his story makes more sense with the dissociation than the other one. I can buy someone might just sorta snap and start hitchhiking to somewhere else, then go around for a bit just doing random shit until they click back. It's a leap, but it makes sense conceptually. (as for tracks, that's weird, but it's not completely impossible the ice shifted/broke and then refroze) It's a lot weirder to think though that someone got a new phone number and everything over just 6 days. Even if you wanted to do that, it's sorta outside of your control. Changing so much shit in such a small amount of time is pretty wild.
This story reminds me a lot of the story of Gabriel Nagy who was in a dissociative fugue for 23 years. In school we learned that people with this condition usually have smaller episodes before month or year long episodes, and usually brought on by extreme stress. Even if he was excited for the future, the transition from college to adulthood can be really rough so I could see that being a trigger. The only thing that doesn't add up is the lack of footprints - usually in confirmed dissociative fugue cases we have things like witness testimony or security footage that can confirm the diagnosis, but also it was the 80s so we didn't have as much nationwide news coverage, I could see nobody outside of his state knowing his name and not questioning him when he presented with an alias.
It is possible that footprints on the other side were destroyed or unintentionally tampered with, like kids and families playing in the snow, family pets also playing with them, strays and other animals going to the water to get a drink, debris and wind covering them, if there were trees close enough some snow could have fallen over them, etc.
Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but the Odawa (Ottowa) are Anishinaabek and specifically speak Anishinaabemowin which is a subgroup of the Algonquin language family (though I don't blame you for not trying to pronounce it on camera, it's a doozy to learn! Look up the word for blueberry pie lol). The grouping of Odawa, Potowatomi, and Ojibwe (Chippewa) can also be referred to as the Three Fires Confederacy. Also, it's probably just a regional difference but my mom's tribe emphasizes the middle syllable: o-DA-wa.
Without seeing actual photos of Steven's footsteps on the lakes, there's no way of knowing how he got back. But clearly he did. I suggest that given no one was looking for him for over 48 hours, the state of the ice changed and presented as a 'mystery' - people love a good mystery story.
My buddy had some kind of strange mental break for about a month and he can still recall his mindset and certain events. Looking back, he seemed to be really foggy but still able to fill in most gaps correctly. Fourteen months of total amnesia is freaky.
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Being missing for 14 months is incredibly odd to say the least. I wonder if he had any health issues or weight loss from it. There’s probably a explanation that’s not supernatural but that’s incredibly rare
I always enjoy the native American history you include in these videos, even if the video isn't entirely based around them. It's always really interesting 👍
Yes! Im a Canadian indigenous (native etc) women who has watched this channel for quite some time and absolutely love the dedication he does in research for native American culture..and he doesn't have to, and kinda used to it not being done, at least not in so much detail as "an aside" to the actual video topic...like wat..❤
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This is such a weird story to hear because this happened to someone in my family way back when Iowa was first being settled. He went missing in a really bad storm and a year later turned up 20ish miles away with no memory whatsoever
Great video. Really like the addition of the history of the area. There is a great fiction book by Loius L'Amour, "The Haunted Mesa". It has portals in Navajo ruins that transport to an alternate universe.
@@BBDA-CLEAR Seems it really IS a coincidence, however maybe God, the universe, whatever, is sending us a message? Like maybe this guy's idea of vanishing from sight is some kind of hint? Just a thought...
@@martinharris5017 Some kind of hint ? God the universe , I don't know about that but what I do know is that the missing enigma absolutely rubbished Steven's story. Not to mention debunking which is a kind word for calling someone a liar with absolutely not one scintilla of proof. That day when Steven went missing on the ice the FBI was called to trace the foot marks left in the ice that went absolutely nowhere. . Of all the stories in the world why would a man just disappear and reappear over a year later with such a fantastical tale , a tale which most would never believe. Remembering the missing enigma told anyone that wanted to listen that the young couple about to be married after rafting on the Grand canyons Colorado River about 100 years ago. Unfortunately never to be found again . This is what he told me and he's subscribers. While rafting he's young partner murdered him and lived in the Grand canyon for 10 years only to finally escape to a town 50 miles away. She lived there for over 40 years. And after she passed away the local residence told people that was the young lady that was part of the young couple engaged, rafting on the Colorado never to be seen again . The backlash he received well you can imagine however since then he has his loyal subscribers. I don't know what happened to Steven Kubacki nor do you or the missing enigma.
I absolutely believe he just tried to intentionally disappear. He figured out what was causing his internal distress, and was happy to continue his life as it had been planned
I actually had a dissociative fugue one time. I was in a very bad place in terms of my mental health, and I went to the pharmacy to pick up some painkillers... Then decided I wanted to head to the gas station for something to drink... Then decided I actually didn't want to do that and decided to go for a drive to my community college, 30 minutes away... Then when I got there, decided I would drive west out of that city to another nearby city before finally deciding to turn around and make my way back home. I remember it, but it was definitely very dreamlike and foreign. Also, Dissociative Identity Disorder is not called "Split Personality Disorder" and never was. Until the early 90s, it was known as "multiple personality disorder" but it was changed because it was actually a dissociative disorder, not a personality disorder. Personality disorders tend to be things like Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is what Charles Manson had, which means that you have no regard for the rights of others, and Borderline Personality Disorder, which is complex, but ultimate is a disorder of behavior. Dissociative Identity Disorder is a disorder is a disorder where you have alters, which are independent, thinking, conscious *identities* or people inside the same head. Because they have different memories, they develop into essentially different people. A person who is aware of their disorder can work to mitigate it's affects on their life, and can be aware of the other alters in their head. It's only ever called "split personality disorder" by media and movies like Split. It's also good to note that everyone dissociates to some degree. Losing your train of thought randomly in a conversation is a type of dissociation, even if it only lasts for a second or two. It's just very short and very mild. Some people are prone to dissociation more than others, and they can drift off and snap back several times a month, and they'll do it for longer. Relatively few people are so prone to dissociation that it happens super regularly and lasts for long periods of time. This is related to the things necessary for a person to *develop* dissociative identity disorder. A person must be prone to dissociation, and experience prolonged, repeated abuse of some kind around the ages of 5-8. (This is related to the merging of the different, independent mental states of infants, toddlers, and young children, into the unified "personality" and mental identity of late childhood into adolescence. The trauma leads a dissociation prone brain to create a coping mechanism where it splits off a section of the consciousness, and dictates that section to experience the trauma, while the "host" is unaware of what's happening. It will flip to the trauma-holder when trauma starts to happen, then back when the trauma is done *HYPOTHETICALLY.* In reality, the brain sucks donkey balls at doing exactly what it means to within itself, and often ends up creating multiple alters and seemingly random things can initiate a switch. A lot of the mental care surrounding DID is focused on trying to help a system manage the balance between the alters, and affirming that all of the alters are independent, valid people, and that they need to cooperate to live happily. Fighting with your alters is literal hell, since it's like fighting with a roommate that you literally cannot get rid of. Telling an alter that they "aren't real" is only going to piss them off, since they think therefore they are, and they're just going to make your life hell as much as you make their hell.
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I'm also a life long Michigan resident. The city i live in now has become a sh#t hole. The city passed 10 new laws this year. We can now urinate anywhere we want in public. We can also litter and not get in any trouble. This is because there are so many worthless addicts that live around here and they are so nasty that the city just decided to let the nasty addicts have their way. So disgusting. I am selling my house and moving back to roots in the country. I have absolutely no interest or intentions of helping these losers out as they steal and ruin everything and everyone's life around them. Of course taxpayers have to pay for these worthless people to unfortunately survive. One of my best friends works for DHS. Almost all of these homeless worthless addicts get assistance in cash and medical and food from the government ( taxpayers). Yet these nasty people choose to spend it on drugs. I have had to chase a few out of my yard at gun point. I love having the 4 seasons of Michigan and moving back to the country is absolutely the best move for me.
@@RebeccaGreen-jt3qk I’m from the thumb born and raised, but my father lives just outside of Romeo, and it’s night and day. The countryside here everyone feels connected and cares for more than themselves and their image. Plus around here we get homeless people RARELY so those that do come through people actually help, I know a farm that hired a homeless man and like got him papers and all that. The big Michigan cities are just kinda, sucky in about every way, and it’s sad. Wish things were better (also isn’t peeing anywhere just straight up indecent exposure???)
Otherworld myths are my favorite! So many videos I've seen basically mention the myths exist and don't elaborate much further into the beliefs and history, so thank you for expanding.
hey just wanted to point out some misinformation, it's a little frustrating but I understand sometimes things slip through the cracks. it isn't ALSO called split personality disorder, it USED to be called multiple personality disorder but was renamed dissociative identity disorder years ago because it is a dissociative/trauma disorder (not a personality disorder). it can only develope in childhood (with repeated trauma) but can be a lifelong issue. the amnesia can last months/years, it is usually triggered by the PTSD but not always. if you want to research it, I do encourage it. it is a very demonized and misunderstood disorder which is sad when you actually understand that is a defense mechanism developed from childhood trauma.
I can understand Steven wandering around the country and no one noticing him. In 1978 there was no show like America's most wanted, no internet yet, no cell phone gps, no Amber alerts and many other things we take for granted nowadays. Unless someone happened to see a story in the paper or on tv and remember it, they would not have paid him no mind. The fact that he himself didn't want any help remembering makes me believe he knew more than he was saying. Why it happened only he knows.
One reason that no one reported him if they did see him during those 14 months, could possibly be that the people he hitchhiked with may not have wanted to come forward for fear that they would be accused of his murder, especially if it appeared that they were the last to see him? But then again, youd think there would be people who had seen him either get into a car, or passed him without stopping, and would be worried ab him since he was now missing and would want to bring it to light so idk.
there are many people with stories like this. one i remember was 2 or 3 brothers that went deep through the woods one day, and came upon this amazing Castle. the next day, they went back to the very same spot, and it was gone.
The Missing Enigma covered this story just yesterday, did a great job of debunking it too. Can't be a coincidence, once one of you lot latch onto a topic the rest soon follow! [EDIT since making this comment i have discovered that this is indeed a coincidence, so I was wrong. I don't like deleting comments. I prefer to let them stand as a "reminder to self" that I make mistakes and false assumptions sometimes. Martin]
@@martinharris5017 my point is that Missing Enigma obviously takes the cases seriously and provides a more rational approach. It sounds like we agree that Paulides has shrouded many of the cases in mystery, albeit unnecessarily.
I hope you talk about Dissociative Disorders. As someone who lives with a dissociative disorder and who knows someone who once woke up on the other side of the country living in foster care for 6 months, that seems like the most likely explanation to me. I’d be willing to send you some resources on DID if you’re interested. Many folks with DID never know
this is very true i dont remember most of my early childhood until boom i was at my 9th birthday in foster care living with my uncle then i dont remember much except bits and pieces till i was out of foster care living with my mom at 13. its really scary when people say "oh dont you remember x y z" and i have to explain that no no i do not. same with right after my friend died when i was 16 i remember the few days immediately after then next to nothing except for being evaluated for mental health. then it was like waking up but dozing occasionally every now and then theres days where i wake up and i think its a completely different day or week, and i also constantly lose small bits of time hours at the most. I personally dont have did but i have other things that can cause similar states.
31:40 Back when Steven Kubacki disappeared, NO missing people got their face on TV or their name unless some journalist needed an "oddball" story (he was abducted by aliens or Bigfoot!!), and even then it may have been given very little air time at all. We didn't start seeing news reports about missing people until perhaps the 1980's or 90's, and even then it was usually a kid or a pretty young girl. I was alive during the 70's (boomer here), and we just didn't get such reports back then. Kids on milk cartons, yes. Families of missing adults put up fliers, contacted police, tried to get the case on 'Unsolved Mysteries' when it eventually debuted, etc. National news -- not interested.
If you go with the "captured by aliens" theory, I would be interested to know if Kibacki's clothes (the ones he didn't recognize) fit him when he returned.
Well this is one of the most mysterious cases of all mysterious disappearances just like this channel uploading it within few hours of the missing enigma covering it with alot of detail...n pretty convincing conclusion with the new information they shared
To my understanding he had the opportunity to speak with Kubacki. I decided not to reach out to Steven because he’d said in 1979 that he didn’t have interest in retracing.
I really feel like Steven went missing on purpose. His whole nonchalant attitude about the event and some of the stuff he said about it (ex: "I feel like I've done a lot of running?" What does that even mean? You could feel more fit I guess, but how would you know specifically it was running) makes me think he knows what happened and just doesn't want to share. Could be the pressure of his life starting, could be something we don't know about (maybe he feared for his life for some reason and felt like he had to flee? I know there's absolutely 0 evidence for that, but I feel like it fits well with the highly calculated disappearance and then return to his old life). The not leaving any tracks thing is suuuper weird, but I think if he didn't want to be found, he could probably make it happen, and I don't know how many people would actually recognize a missing person from a different state sitting next to them on the bus or something. It's also not that hard to just not buy things that require ID (provided he's not addicted) or get someone else to do it for you. He could also have acquired a fake ID somehow. I *am* curious about money though. Either he had a massive amount of cash on him (something that would also indicate a planned disappearance) or he used his card at some point, but that should have registered with the company and been info that made its way to the police (unless that's something they didn't do at the time 🤷). You brought up the money issue for David but not as much for Steven and now I'm wondering.
Fugue states are weird because you just sort of go on auto pilot and do all the things you need to survive, but your brain doesn't record it and you don't really have a sense of self when doing things. If you've ever gotten to work or school and realized you don't remember getting up or getting ready its kind of like that, but for a long period of time. It's possible that Steven had had short episodes like this in the past which might explain his nonchalant attitude towards the whole thing.
I agree. If you see him in an interview, something's off with him. His whole insistence on refusing to talk about his disappearance feels like he doesn't want to get tripped up. He very intelligent so if he wanted to disappear in the 70's I think he's the kind of guy who is smart enough to figure out how to do that and not leave a trace. He had a history of doing it too... taking off without telling anyone for days or a few weeks at a stretch.
@@TigerLily61811 That's really interesting. I had no idea he had a history of smaller disappearances. That's just more proof in my eyes that he did it intentionally, as that would give him a prior history and knowledge on how to do it in addition to what I feel is a moderately believable motive.
@@TigerLily61811 That’s actually how Fugue state manifests-it happens multiple times for shorter periods before long ones! There is a woman (teacher) who went missing three times-unfortunately she hasn’t returned from the last Fugue yet… She didn’t remember anything but she also didn’t really want to know what happened.
Amazing as always, one note though. Thise with DID (dissociative identity disorder) don't use the term split personality. Its considered outdated and offensive.
I think we, in our hyper connected time, over estimate how aware people in the 70s were. It is very possible that he wandered around, and was not recognized at all, because not everyone would have been paying that much attention to the news. In today’s world, we have social media, and 24 hour news services. None of that existed in 1978. You had the evening news, you had newspapers. It’s very likely coverage was not national. His photo in the paper also may not have accurately portrayed how he appeared in person, as so many of us can attest to. So, he could’ve very well have been in a fugue state, and was just considered a wandering hippie type, which was extremely common back then. He survived off of the generosity of strangers, who probably didn’t think much of him, and probably didn’t pay all that much attention to him. Thus, no one coming forward to say, “Hey, I gave that guy a lift and bought him a coffee and a sandwich.” 🤷♂️ To me this is the most logical explanation.
You missed an opportunity to talk about the other Brythonic Celts, namely the Cornish and Bretons. The Bretons have the kingdom of Ys, an intermittently sunken land; think Atlantis but stick in a time loop. The Cornish have a similar myth of Lyonesse. Also, I'd argue that the Welsh don't have nearly as binary a conception of the otherworld as you made it seem, Annwyn is certainly the most famous of their otherworld locations, but it isn't clear if that's the blanket term for any place outside of our normal reality and places such as Caer Sidi are locations within Annwyn or if those are separate places entirely. Annwyn can also be accessed in multiple ways, usually accidentally, since it isn't so much a place as a dimension that overlays our own, but also doesn't. As always though with Celtic myth the biggest problem is trying to detangle Christian influences from the original stories. I've got a book that was published by a Welsh historical society that collected some oral histories and myths from locals in Powys, it has a few interesting takes on popular Welsh myths from the Mabinogion and a few that I've never seen elsewhere. I'll try to dig it up.
There is also a man named Lawrence Joseph Bader who went missing on lake Erie in 1957 and reappeared later with amnesia but he had it so bad he actually started another family in a different state.
I started watching this while half asleep and I just about had a heart attack when you brought up my hometown 😭 I've literally never heard anyone talk about Holland before
Hi. I have DID. I have Dissociative Amnesia. I dont remember years of my life, although that is mostly in the past, ie, majority of childhood. most of my recent episodes (hours to days at a time) are forgotten in times of high stress or triggered by something that puts me into a survival state. To be clear: DID is nothing like Split, or Fight Club or anything just as stupid. In fact, Marvel’s Moon Knight show did very well depicting the lack of memory between alters- one had no memory of the vigilante life the other one was leading, but they could leave each other signs or even discuss it with one another when they were able to communicate. When I come to from these episodes, I have people in my life that are safe that can tell me what’s been happening and what we’ve done. I have alters who can communicate to other alters and leave notes and other things from their days up front. sometimes, other alters in the system won’t let us remember our episodes, and can even block out someone TELLING us what happened, in order to protect ourselves. That is the POINT of DID. It is a severe trauma response that is implemented to protect the body and survive. That’s also the point of MASKING the disorder so as not to call attention to yourself for being abnormal and encouraging MORE people to traumatize you for it. In Stephen’s case, it’s possible that he had DID and was not able to remember for this reason, but there is also the point of stigma that he was living under at the time. In his generation, talking about mental health was frowned upon, and he could have been too ashamed to speak to a therapist. I couldn’t say one way or the other whether or not he had DID, but if he did, this fugue state was probably hidden from him in order to protect him from some sort of trauma. something may have happened as he hitch hiked. he may have had to so some things to earn money that wound up getting him hurt. maybe he does remember and just doesn’t want to relive it. It’s his story and his life and sometimes all we can do is wonder. sometimes we never get an answer. and sometimes that’s better for everyone involved.
Hey man, person with Dissociative Identity Disorder here, please don't call it "split personality disorder", that label as well as "multiple personality disorder" carry a lot of the stigma that we face because of our disorder. No hate to you ofc, I'm just trying to educate wherever possible ❤
This reminds me of dissociative fugue. I watched a video about a woman who had it and went missing 3 times, it was a blameitonjorge video if you're interested.
He wrote a book that has nothing to do with his vanishing and I believe he refuses to answer questions about when he was missing even present day. I think he did it on purpose. Maybe just wanted to see the country and get some space, realized how much everyone was looking for him, and said he didn't remember what happened.
I've heard this story before and always been of the opinion that what happened was he met someone on the trail who went onto the lake and fell in like was assumed happened to him and he decided to leave his backpack there and go on the run. essentially faking his own death because he felt guilty. I imagine he was using a fake id while on the run and then someone recognized him but he used the fake ID to get away and then he just ditched the ID and went home.
I experience dissociation, and have dissociative identity disorder (its not called split personality anymore, btw, just DID- if people did know it by another name it would probably be MPD, anyhow). I used to be terrified that I would become one of these cases. While it's unlikely, it IS possible for him to have switched out for fourteen months straight. The weird part is that I can't imagine it happening without a major trigger. DID is a stress response formed by childhood trauma. If it WAS another alter fronting for 14 months straight, there had to have been a reason- something that fucked with him badly enough to cause his conciousness to shuffle him back for that long. While I, as an alter, have never gone so long without being in control, it has happened to us. I can think of at least two- one who was gone for about a year, and one who was gone for about three years. When the former returned, she had a vague but workable awareness that time had passed and could remember bits and pieces. When the latter returned, she did feel kind of like she was just picked up in december of 2019 and shucked into august of 2022, with almost nothing in between. For both of them, something bad happened to us shortly before they dipped that they couldn't cope with. This case COULD be DID, seriously. It would explain his disinterest in what happened (that kind of instinctual denial tends to come with the disorder). It would explain how functional he must have been to make it that far that long. It would explain most of it, tbh. But it would not explain the lake. Even if DID is the answer, there is still something that happened to this guy. Something bad. Now, the bad thing may not have happened on the day he went missing. He might have been trying to cope with something for weeks or even months, and the memory of it couldve been stashed away after those 14 months. But that leaves the issue of the tracks. Maybe I'll look into his childhood, if I can find anything. This disorder comes from childhood trauma (usually that which occurs over time, rather than isolated events), so evidence of abuse, religious trauma, etc would lend toward DID. Maybe we'll never know? Anyway, if you have any questions about DID or come across another case that might involve it, feel free to contact me. I'm not a psychologist (though it IS my minor) but I do literally live with it every day lol. I've known for over four years now, and I was diagnosed last year. It can be complicated af and definitely makes life interesting
Two videos from two of the best missing persons channels on TH-cam (The Missing Enigma and The Lore Lodge) on the same subject coming out within hours of each other? I know how I'm spending a few hours.
I'm on SAR in my area and I can tell you that drones are being used sometimes, often in consort with human searchers, and they're very cool to have! Much of SAR, at least in the Adirondacks, is physically pushing through dense brush, which you just can't do with drones.
I believe in portals/ weird stuff unexplainable stuff, but I agree this is probably the most likely explanation He wanted to disappear for a while and see what people did or how they reacted most likely. Then didn't want everyone to be angry at him when he returned If you have something that bizarre happen to you, seems like you'd be a bit more interested in figuring it out
Hi!! I've been really binging these videos here and I wanted to say I appreciate all the effort put into them! I live in the US but I've never really had the opportunity to learn very much about the culture and history of the indigenous people who lived here first, and I love how you include so much of it. Is there a place I can watch/read where all the Native American history segments you've done have been compiled or anything like that?
My theory: Dude wandered into the TARDIS which had parked itself on the lake, and spent some time having adventures through space and time with the Doctor. Afterwards he either got his memory wiped for some reason or figured faking amnesia was easier than trying to explain any of it.
Watching a video about weird goings on in Michigan and did a double take at the mention of the Greenfield Recorder, I'm from that area and that newspaper was in my house every damn day. Made my homesick nostalgic heart all warm and fuzzy !
Hey Aiden, at 3:59 it’s pronounced “hoe doe know show knee “ thank you for all of your history lesson as it pertains to early Native American history within colonial America and Canada, very nice
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It's obvious what happened. The dude fell into an ice crevice and got Isekai'd. He became a hero in some fantasy world for 14 months and then came back.
I'm telling you. It's a real life Isekai.
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My brain will not let me look away from it! Damn you fuzz ball!!
If the ice on the Great Lakes moves as much as you say, then it is possible that the tracks leading off the lake where erased by the movement of the ice?
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As somebody with anxiety once said, The urge to just walk into the night and start over is pretty strong. Not in a suicidal way, just a reset of sorts. It's possible he joined a commune or other arrangement where he didn't "need" money for those 14 months, then just got a bus ticket back to his aunt's house at the end of his stint. Blanket amnesia is a strong alibi vs trying to maintain a story.
Exactly. Makes a lot more sense than any other explanation and we know it happens.
blanket amensia kinda worked for Walter White when he disappeared in breaking bad lol
Not to mention, it wouldn't be the first time someone just up and left their life in a genuine fugue state and seemingly snapped out of it just as randomly days or months later. Usually caused by extremely anxiety and/or trauma
I think it’s important to remember that in the 70s (heck, I’d say through the 90s), mental health wasn’t a thing that many tried to take care of. If you or someone in your family needed to see a “head shrink”, it was shameful. That’s why it makes sense to ME (an old) that he was unwilling to see a therapist. 🤷🏻♀️
Transendental meditation was a big thing back then too where people tried to dissociate.
It could also be that he had a bad experience with a mental health worker or he didn't believe in them. I think he didn't want to know.
Thats not true.
It's cuz psychiatry sucked back then, and still does.
@@TigerLily61811mofos be out here just saying that's not true and then leaving w no evidence, crazy
One day, you see a newspaper article talking about a man who went missing three states over. "Damn," you say, "that's wild." And then you go back to work.
Later that same day, you see a guy who looks exactly like the missing guy. Albeit, you didn't pay much attention to his face in the paper because it was three states over, no way it could be your problem. Then you realize: this guy is walking around alone and under his own power. No one appears to have kidnapped him and he doesn't look lost. "He obviously can't be the missing guy. Must just look alike. Anyways"
That's how someone can go missing, be national news, and no one realize they are looking right at him.
Thankyou!!! That’s exactly what I thought
And honestly think about how many people who in passing look the same. I mean you see one picture of a person from a completely different state then go about your daily life and then asked "hey you remember this guy, which one was he" it would be so hard just to remember which person was in fact the missing person and not a look alike.
@@Dukedogdog that's also related to how there are times where people will report "seeing" someone who was definitely dead days/weeks/months beforehand (just not found yet)
"These two groups of Christians were getting along just fine and then some Calvinists showed up."
Truly, a tale as old as time.
Oof. As a recovering Calvinist, I feel this deep down to the core of my being. 😅
I had to google that.
And uh yea Id up and leave too! Id run!
"They decided to skip town to avoid Calvinism" . . . super relatable, lol. I once spent five months on another continent to avoid Dutch Calvinism.
@jaynestrange "which is an understandable reaction to Calvinism" 😂
Yeah, I met a couple Calvinists once,- I think I understand what happened.
You have no idea how much I respect the fact that you don't go out of your way to throw in creepy music and editing for no reason other than to scare people more than the subject you're covering.
I just found his channel and was thinking exactly the same. I love the morbid and mysterious and learning about true crime cases but HATE hate HATE when people purposefully add scary music, sound effects, or even jumpscares. It’s just so unnecessary and annoying. Like, brother I’m still tryna sleep tonight without feeling like I’m being watched or gonna be murdered lmao
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My grandpa has an eerily similar story about his uncle back in the 1920's. This uncle took his dog with him everywhere he went. He had a wife and kids and a farm. He lived a pretty routine rural life. He went in to town one day in his truck, with his dog, like normal. Parked downtown, near the rail road tracks. Normal. Left his dog in the truck because he was probably just going to run in to a store real quick before moving on to other errands... again, normal. But he just... disappeared. Left dog and his wallet behind in his truck. Absolutely no sign of what happened to him. He never went in the store or did any of his other errands. About 9 months went by. He just walked back in to town one day. Wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase. Which was very unusual. He was a farmer. He owned one suit, his "marryin' & buryin'" suit and it was hanging in the closet at home. He had no idea any time had passed. He had no idea where he'd been or what happened or how he ended up in a suit carrying a briefcase. He just showed up in town wondering where his truck and his dog were. Only other thing I know about this story is that this incident is what got my grandpa believing in aliens. It happened when he was about 12 or so.
It sounds like you know enough details like names and places and even possibly dates. Or years of or what ever. If you wanted to share this story one more time with Mr. David Polidus at
CAN/AM MISSING 411 he has a team who studies and filters many missing people's cases to see what should go into his books. This story sounds like it belongs there. Thank you. Very interesting. !!
What was in that briefcase?
Setting the supernatural aside for a moment there are a couple forms of dissociative disorders that could fit. There is this thing where people do just that and suddenly come back. There is a case of a woman that every time there is a big storm near her, her brain resets and she goes to different places and starts living a new life.
Perhaps he had experienced a fugue state. Very creepy story whatever the reason.
Ty for sharing that. That's wow!!!
About the whole "how did no one recognise him" thing; the Clark Kent effect is very strange. If you meet someone and they introduce themselves with a different name and it's not someone you have been told is dangerous, you might just ignore that your new bestie looks like some dude who was on the news
lol The Clark Kent effect is crazy. I've got a kind of generic face and I cannot tell you how many times someone has not recognized me that KNOWS me. I once walked into a workplace to check my upcoming work schedule and the manager that hired me didn't recognize me because my hair was down...I'd worked there for 3 YEARS. lol Apparently my face is so common, I've also got a doppelganger walking around. My husband thought I was lying to him because he saw me outside his workplace sitting at a traffic light. I had to prove I was 12 miles away sitting on the couch with the cat by taking a series of photos.
but there was no telephone booth? (jk)
@@smm855 I have never experienced the Clark Kent for myself, but the generic face/presents I have, lol.
Once, my dad came home and I was sitting in the dark (it was right after sunset). I wave to him and his gf, say hi and everything. No respond.
My dad goes to turn on the light and his gf sees me, jumps and then my dad jumps, lol.
I've also stood next to people who apparently didn't notice me
@@smm855this effect is quite strong sometimes, you might even, easily, not recognize a coworker you see every day simply because they're not in the uniform or attire you're used to seeing them in. It would absolutely be possible to meet an acquaintance while wearing different clothes than normal and with a different attitude than normal and have them not even recognize you for extended periods of time. Especially if you were in a fugue state and weren't acting like your normal self. Therefore, Stephen might even have gotten a ride from someone familiar that didn't even recognize him to California, where no one would have even heard about his disappearance or knew him.
when i was about 17-18 something like this happened i went to take my mom lunch and all of her coworkers genuinely could not figure out who i was i had been going in a few times a week for 2 years at this point to bring my mom something she forgot or to eat a late lunch or dinner with her even brought in baked goods occasionally. My mom is a hair stylist and she even does my hair so id be on the floor actively having conversations with them and showing off my new tattoos for hours and they just couldn't recognize me. I had to call my mom out of the back office to verify who i was.
I entered a dissociative fugue back in early 2019. I have a few patchy memories from the time, but the main thing I recall is confusion at not understanding the alarm song on my phone that morning around 7:00 but knowing that I needed to be somewhere soon. I "woke up" close to noon in the campus library, a 20-minute bus ride from my apartment. The weirdest part to me is that I rarely visited that library because the business college library I used was elsewhere. My family and I launched into a surge of medical exams and the docs at Mayo Clinic decided it was likely triggered by a sleep-deprivation-induced seizure of sorts that occurred the preceding evening.
The lesson: please actually sleep. Humans are not nocturnal.
I had actual insomnia for a period of about 6 months in 2020-2021. It's crazy what your brain does when it happens. I wouldn't "sleep" per se most of the time, it was like I just zoned out (obviously some of that time I WAS sleeping, otherwise I would be dead), then next thing I knew it was 8am and I couldn't quite remember the last 6 hours. Sometimes I would be in the same place, sometimes I wouldn't. I could remember things from the last 6 hours, but not enough to fill up the entire time.
The reason for it was essentially PTSD from work. I quit my job and all of the sudden I was able to sleep again. I was in such a state of pins and needles from my job that my mind basically never left fight-or-flight.
I learned a lot about work/life balance from that time, and I feel confident in telling any potential employer that they can shove their "family oriented atmosphere" straight up their ass if that means I have to be on high-alert all the time.
@@PalmelaHanderson I'm glad you were able to get out of that situation! I've had rough jobs before, but never in that way.
@@PalmelaHandersonwow I'm so glad you figured out what was causing it and got away from that job....NO JOB is worth endangering your health or mental health. I'm glad you're doing better ❤️😊
Blah blah blah "humans are not nocturnal". We'll never catch bigfoot with that attitude
@@austinm3377we can just take turns sleeping!
Steven's story reminds me a lot of my brother, who (perhaps not coincidentally) also graduated from Hope College. My brother had a steady girlfriend, was doing well academically in his third or fourth year, and was halfway through a promising paid internship; but he quietly struggled with depression regardless, unbeknownst to me or the rest of the family. Unable to cope any longer, he dropped everything, broke it off with the girlfriend, and abruptly left for over a month to ride his bike around Lake Michigan. Fortunately he told us about his plans before he left, stayed in regular contact, and occasionally met up with friends or family along the way. Years later, in another depressive episode, he opened up to us about his struggles and his desire to drop everything, tell no one, and leave on his bike for good. Maybe Steven had the same impulse and actually followed through on it. Regardless, I'm relieved his story had a happy ending.
I think that is exactly the case
Even though it's always tragic when someone is suffering from depression, I'm glad that some people cope with it by taking a break from their life and returning when they feel better instead of ending it ❤️🩹
Even tho I literally live just over a mile away from Lake Erie, everytime I encounter the names of the Great Lakes in written form my mind automatically goes to picturing a small pond in the middle of the woods somewhere.
So when I read how your brother rode his bike around Lake Michigan for a month, I immediately had this funny image in my head of your brother just riding around some tiny pond in a circle for a month straight 😂
@@mikeygraves16 That's interesting, because I always think the opposite way, having lived my whole life on the shores of the Great Lakes - every other lake I see seems ridiculously small, because in my mind, the word "lake" has always meant Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, or Lake Huron, whichever I've been living on at the time.
Out of curiosity, have you done any sailing? I've found that getting out on the water really makes you appreciate just how big those lakes really are. Then again, I also did a couple of seasons on a lake freighter to help pay my way through school back in the day, so I've seen just how big they are close up!
Happy endings are story's which just aren't finished yet... -Prof. Bob Dicncider Circa 1769.
@@neuralmute My sister and brother-in-law live in Thunder Bay, right on Lake Superior. You are 100% correct about getting out on the water giving you a better appreciation for the size of the lakes. Flying over them is also another great way to really appreciate just how freaking huge those lakes are. It's literally like flying over the ocean lol. You see nothing but sky and water in every direction all the way to the horizon. It's also pretty sobering to know just how many ships have been lost to the Lakes, especially Superior.
After watching The Missing Enigma video about Steven, I'm 110% convinced that he disappeared on purpose, and after those 14 months (presumably living in San Francisco), decided to come back. The fact he went to his aunt first, and not his parents, is very telling.
Missing Enigma is amazing! My fav channel right now
I agree
how'd he get out from the middle of the lake tho?
@rowandunning6877 He knew the region. He was alone...just walk and take the bus or something.
100% dude was gay and wanted to explore.
As an ice fisher in upstate NY I'll say this. You would be amazed at how fast a hole in the ice freezes over again given the right conditions. Could only be a few hours before it looks, on the surface, like nothing ever happened
Fs he fell into the ice
Having amnesia despite what people think often times people DONT want to know what happened. Often times its not because of "did i do bad" but more"how horrible was the event that i wiped the harddrive over"its acknowledging that you have a blessing that you can't recall it.
source:diagnosed with it
I can also imagine that there might be a sense of peace. I don't remember her name, but there was a woman who had two separate events where she wondered off and she seemed to not really care (If I am remember correctly) and since there must have been a reason it began, there might be a sense of "Oh, well, at least it's over" and therefore a lack of want to explore it.
This is ofc just me speaking, lol. I have, as far as I know, not had any incidents where I wandered off, but I have had multiple incidents where I just forget what happened even though people say that I was engaged or participating in a conversation (these always freak me out, lol). I often end up justifying these moments to myself as "it must have been too boring to focus" even though I know that's probably not why
@@JDM-is-my-name your logic isn't far off. even after recovering memory issues are still an issue especially with triggers of the event (mine was an explosion) so things will make you lose weeks of time at a time despite being"ok" to an outside observer. interesting fact 9 months to 1 year is the soft cut off period for recalling anything from the events end. The brain will also try and fill in gaps with false shit that if you asked anyone about they would would look at you like youre nuts.
For sure..its not a concious choice..its subconciously getting rid of the sensoory aspects of you victimization
I wonder if he could of had a sever concusion affecting his cognative abilities and self egos..leaving him without a foundation but still able to function..over the years neurons and synapses beald and connected slowly and slowly things came back to him...but with the missing time in between
That "did I do bad thing" is more of a feeling you get when you've been blackout drunk, not amnesiac lol
As someone who has experienced fugue states it always fascinates me when they are associated with cases like this. I often worry about going out in public by myself because I’m very easily stressed out in open or crowded areas, especially in my home town, because I’ve wandered off before and I’m not necessarily in control when it happens. I’m also almost always extremely disoriented, scared, paranoid, and absent (according to people who’ve witnessed it) and can be near nonsensical at times. Used to wander the halls of my school aimlessly unable to recall where I was going, where I just was, what classes I had, where they were, etc.
Dissociation is technically something anyone can do, it just needs to be “activated” by something traumatic in order to become “disordered.” It’s speculated that a lot of it is genetic, and to get a lot of the more lifelong manifestations like I have it generally has to begin in childhood, but drugs and later traumatic events can cause it too. It happens when you’re in so much distress you *have* to “get away” but are for whatever reason unable to, kinda like the minds way of shielding itself.
I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure what happened to him, but if it was dissociative that just leaves more questions than before, because what the hell would’ve freaked him out so much that he had to dissociate from it for a year??? And how did he manage to eat, sleep, and take care of himself all without anyone noticing??
Yes especially drugs meth it's fucking sad
I was about to ride my bike once, my next memory was dismounting from the same bike about an hour later with my backpack filled with my groceries.
Thanks for sharing your perspective, that’s really interesting and I didn’t consider it too deeply until I saw your comment ✌🏻
@@christinejalandoni5919 yeah, I know it happens to me, and it's often just feeling tired. But when I'm not tired any more I go back to normal. However, it's hard to remember what I was doing while I was tired. It's not full amnesia, but it's fickle what I can remember.
Specifically Dissociative Identity Disorder isn't genetic, and can only be caused by severe trauma below the age of 8 years old, so it's completely unlikely that Steven had it. (For reference, I have it)
One quick thing about dissociative episodes, they can also occur in situations of high stress or anxiety as a defense mechanism, particularly if the person has also not slept well in the days prior to the episode. Source: me lol. Before I was officially diagnosed with GAD (generalized anxiety disorder), I had a dissociative episode where I started driving to work, zoned out, and snapped to several hours later having driven a considerable distance during that time with zero memory of it. I was extremely stressed due to work, college, and home life and in that moment, my brain just kind of went "Nope, we're going on autopilot for a little while."
My husband once woke up driving on highway, he said it was so scary and confusing! He recognized where he was (it was the road he took to work, only it was 4am on weekend now), had to pull over on the nearest gas station, assess the situation and just to calm down, before driving back home. He said he just took some deep breaths, checked the car, scared of what hed find, and smoked a cigarette. Luckily it happened only once, in his early 20s, he hadnt slept enough and was stressed out about his job. Im just happy he didnt crash or run over somebody! And its pretty impressive what our minds can do on autopilot :)
@@janemiettinen5176this has happened to me a few times where I'll just suddenly "come to" while driving, with no recollection of the last few minutes, maybe 30 minutes, maybe the last hour. Did I zone out? Was I just THAT deep in thought? Did I have amnesia? Was it just a giant sort of brain fart? Was I so on autopilot I had absolutely zero memorable thoughts in that time? I never figure it out, even much later.
Then, only twice in my life, have I woken up in bed, with NO recollection of getting home whatsoever, but with my car parked at my house as normal. One of the times, I'm ashamed to say, I had been drinking heavily the night before, which concerned me that I might have been drunk enough to forget driving home and yet still did it. But the other time this happened, I was completely sober. And yet I had NO memory whatsoever of how I got home. And memory loss is not something that typically happens to me for no discernable reason.
I once nearly walked right into traffic because I was so stressed out by my job and lack of sleep that I had literally stopped 'seeing' with my eyes while I was walking and stepped off the curb on a green light. The driver honking frantically and screeching to a halt is the only thing that snapped me out of it. My eyes were working, and my legs were going the right way, but my brain wasn't absorbing any information from my eyes and my body was on autopilot as my brain was acting like a dying rabbit.
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Interesting. I don't have any sort of diagnosed conditions, but in my early twenties I worked 2 jobs and for several weeks I was only sleeping 3-4 hours a day at most.
During that time, there was one morning I left work around 7am having started the previous day at 2pm. The drive home was about 15 minutes. I had a convertible at the time, and I was driving on the highway with the top down, blasting music. Then I remember looking around and not recognizing any of the buildings. Somehow I had missed my exit, and about two hours had passed. I lived about 40 minutes north of Dallas TX, and for some reason I was now in Waco.
A second incident occurred a year ago or so later. I left my double shift at night this time, around 10pm. And "woke up" around 6am on the side of the road parked in front of the entrance to some company that builds equipment for the military. Just as I woke up, a state trooper pulled in behind me to see what I was doing. Not wanting to sound crazy, I said the first thing that came to mind. That I hit a wild hog (the road was pretty middle of nowhere) and my car stalled, and I'm waiting for AAA.
When I got back to the car, I tried to assess the situation. The car was completely out of gas. It was full when I left work (I worked at a gas station and had just filled up before leaving).
So then I actually did end up calling AAA for a tow truck, and to make some calls to friends to ask for a ride, and let my job know I wasn't gonna make it in today bc I was sick. While I was sitting there, I decided to look through the camera roll on my phone and it was full of pictures.
They were all very blurry, like they were taken at high speeds or with extremely shaky hands. All the lights were streaked. There were pictures of what looked like an airport, of security gates, and of a city skyline a few hundred feet off the ground.
Still have no explanation for that.
If Steven was in fact a Dutch Calvinist (which seems likely, since he went to Hope College), it's important to know that can be very restrictive culture, with a lot of pressure to behave in a certain way. There's not really any room to explore your own identity or deviate from that career path your family wants from you. Even now, seeing a therapist is often seen as a sign of weakness, a sign that you're not strong enough to handle suffering or that you don't trust God.
Love your attention to detail of Native American culture even when its not a main focus, you take the time, as a Canadian indigenous women, thank you! (You cover Can/usa ppls ❤ not more than the other either, just give thw info straight on no matter the people.) Ive been watching for a while now and your research level in these days is unparalleled 🎉😊. Miigwech!
Thank you! We actually have a video on a Canadian MMIW case coming out next week, I hope it does something to raise awareness!
@@TheLoreLodge That is awesome news tysm!
The dissociative state seems the most likely to me, even for that long of a period of time. I know a guy who used to have a lot of those moments and once he had one that lasted for 3 months. The scary thing is that I hung out with him multiple times throughout those 3 months and there was nothing to indicate that things were diffrent than usual, yet there's 3 months that are just entirely gone from his memory.
The fugue/dissociative-state explanation makes no sense when you think through it logically. It's simply not plausible. He just happens to lose all his memory while out skiing, by himself, in the middle of a frozen lake? While he's miles away from anyone? Too convenient. And instead of walking back to the shore where his gear is waiting, he wanders off to.....somewhere else? And was never recognized for the next 14 months, and never sought help from anyone to solve his memory problems? Steven Kubacki planned this whole thing, 100%. He wanted to disappear.
@@coderexe30 Well I agree with you at least on the part that it probably wasn't what happened, even though I think it's one of the more reasonable explanations. I agree that his behavior seems to indicate it was likely planned iether by him or someone else. What I wanna know though is how the hell he left no tracks.
@@theepicjoey3215 to be honest his story makes more sense with the dissociation than the other one. I can buy someone might just sorta snap and start hitchhiking to somewhere else, then go around for a bit just doing random shit until they click back. It's a leap, but it makes sense conceptually. (as for tracks, that's weird, but it's not completely impossible the ice shifted/broke and then refroze)
It's a lot weirder to think though that someone got a new phone number and everything over just 6 days. Even if you wanted to do that, it's sorta outside of your control. Changing so much shit in such a small amount of time is pretty wild.
The Missing Enigma dropped an absolutely stellar video on this same subject just yesterday. 10/10 would recommend!!
My exact same thought
Yes! I thought it was strange that they both released a video on the same topic within a day of each other.
Lore lodge is bottom feeding
I watched that this morning and I just got to this video in my feed and I was like, deja vu??
yep, this is riding Missing enigma's coat tails!
This story reminds me a lot of the story of Gabriel Nagy who was in a dissociative fugue for 23 years. In school we learned that people with this condition usually have smaller episodes before month or year long episodes, and usually brought on by extreme stress. Even if he was excited for the future, the transition from college to adulthood can be really rough so I could see that being a trigger. The only thing that doesn't add up is the lack of footprints - usually in confirmed dissociative fugue cases we have things like witness testimony or security footage that can confirm the diagnosis, but also it was the 80s so we didn't have as much nationwide news coverage, I could see nobody outside of his state knowing his name and not questioning him when he presented with an alias.
wow i’m going to research gabriel nagy, 23 years is crazy
It is possible that footprints on the other side were destroyed or unintentionally tampered with, like kids and families playing in the snow, family pets also playing with them, strays and other animals going to the water to get a drink, debris and wind covering them, if there were trees close enough some snow could have fallen over them, etc.
Heck, I'd say he could introduce himself with his own name, and no one outside of the area where he went missing would've noticed.
What is a dissociative fugue
@@Humanh8red a type of amnesia where people completely forgot their identities for extended periods of time
Bigfoot. The answer is always bigfoot.
But when it's not, It's Thunderbirds
Exactly
Wrong! Wrong sir! The answer is always, GIANTS! JK 😂
Nononono, you got it all wrong. It's aliens. Or snakes. Or floods. But mostly aliens.
Is Bigfoot a giant? 🤔
I love how you and The Missing Enigma managed to upload a video on the exact same topic on the exact same day
Smells like the skinwalkers are trying to get their grubby hands on that sweet sweet TH-cam money
Lore Lodge and Missing Enigma covering the same case, and uploading with in 24hrs of eachother? We really do live in a society
...and yet another commenter who saw the Missing Enigma vid yesterday LOL!
Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but the Odawa (Ottowa) are Anishinaabek and specifically speak Anishinaabemowin which is a subgroup of the Algonquin language family (though I don't blame you for not trying to pronounce it on camera, it's a doozy to learn! Look up the word for blueberry pie lol). The grouping of Odawa, Potowatomi, and Ojibwe (Chippewa) can also be referred to as the Three Fires Confederacy. Also, it's probably just a regional difference but my mom's tribe emphasizes the middle syllable: o-DA-wa.
Without seeing actual photos of Steven's footsteps on the lakes, there's no way of knowing how he got back. But clearly he did. I suggest that given no one was looking for him for over 48 hours, the state of the ice changed and presented as a 'mystery' - people love a good mystery story.
This channel and The Missing Enigma have very good timing on their videos😂
Lmfao right? Just happen to post at the same time
My buddy had some kind of strange mental break for about a month and he can still recall his mindset and certain events. Looking back, he seemed to be really foggy but still able to fill in most gaps correctly. Fourteen months of total amnesia is freaky.
Greetings from Ottawa Illinois. My gramma and i listen to your videos all the time while we work. We do a lot of driving so its nice to have channels like thisnthat are so good at finer details and storytelling so i can just drive and listen and peek if i stop anywhere. Keep it up, content like this gets me through many long days!
I just discovered your TH-cam a week ago. You are my new favorite, I absolutely can't get enough lol I'm listening at work and home every chance I get
Thank you!!
Being missing for 14 months is incredibly odd to say the least. I wonder if he had any health issues or weight loss from it. There’s probably a explanation that’s not supernatural but that’s incredibly rare
I’m a Ottawa tribal member so I definitely had to save this video as soon as I heard anything about the Ottawa people
I always enjoy the native American history you include in these videos, even if the video isn't entirely based around them. It's always really interesting 👍
Yes! Im a Canadian indigenous (native etc) women who has watched this channel for quite some time and absolutely love the dedication he does in research for native American culture..and he doesn't have to, and kinda used to it not being done, at least not in so much detail as "an aside" to the actual video topic...like wat..❤
Your channel is such a comfort for me, I fall asleep to lore lodge videos every single night. I just wanted to leave a comment saying how appreciated you guys are
Props for pronouncing "Saugatuck" correctly. Few non-Michiganders can.
Spot on!
This is such a weird story to hear because this happened to someone in my family way back when Iowa was first being settled. He went missing in a really bad storm and a year later turned up 20ish miles away with no memory whatsoever
It's so weird when you cover stories that take place in places I have been and/or live. I really enjoy your content.
Great video. Really like the addition of the history of the area. There is a great fiction book by Loius L'Amour, "The Haunted Mesa". It has portals in Navajo ruins that transport to an alternate universe.
Did you guys do this in coordination with the missing enigma? He released his Steven kubacki episode the other day.
You're not the only one who noticed then;)
@@martinharris5017 yeah i was waiting to hear about kubackis ending and the new book hes got coming out...
What's the odds ?
@@BBDA-CLEAR Seems it really IS a coincidence, however maybe God, the universe, whatever, is sending us a message? Like maybe this guy's idea of vanishing from sight is some kind of hint?
Just a thought...
@@martinharris5017 Some kind of hint ? God the universe , I don't know about that but what I do know is that the missing enigma absolutely rubbished Steven's story. Not to mention debunking which is a kind word for calling someone a liar with absolutely not one scintilla of proof.
That day when Steven went missing on the ice the FBI was called to trace the foot marks left in the ice that went absolutely nowhere.
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Of all the stories in the world why would a man just disappear and reappear over a year later with such a fantastical tale , a tale which most would never believe. Remembering the missing enigma told anyone that wanted to listen that the young couple about to be married after rafting on the Grand canyons Colorado River
about 100 years ago. Unfortunately never to be found again . This is what he told me
and he's subscribers. While rafting he's young partner murdered him and lived in the Grand canyon for 10 years only to finally escape to a town 50 miles away.
She lived there for over 40 years.
And after she passed away the local
residence told people that was the young lady that was part of the young couple engaged, rafting on the Colorado never to be seen again . The backlash he received well you can imagine however since then he has his loyal subscribers.
I don't know what happened to Steven Kubacki nor do you or the missing enigma.
I absolutely believe he just tried to intentionally disappear. He figured out what was causing his internal distress, and was happy to continue his life as it had been planned
I actually had a dissociative fugue one time. I was in a very bad place in terms of my mental health, and I went to the pharmacy to pick up some painkillers... Then decided I wanted to head to the gas station for something to drink... Then decided I actually didn't want to do that and decided to go for a drive to my community college, 30 minutes away... Then when I got there, decided I would drive west out of that city to another nearby city before finally deciding to turn around and make my way back home. I remember it, but it was definitely very dreamlike and foreign.
Also, Dissociative Identity Disorder is not called "Split Personality Disorder" and never was. Until the early 90s, it was known as "multiple personality disorder" but it was changed because it was actually a dissociative disorder, not a personality disorder. Personality disorders tend to be things like Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is what Charles Manson had, which means that you have no regard for the rights of others, and Borderline Personality Disorder, which is complex, but ultimate is a disorder of behavior. Dissociative Identity Disorder is a disorder is a disorder where you have alters, which are independent, thinking, conscious *identities* or people inside the same head. Because they have different memories, they develop into essentially different people. A person who is aware of their disorder can work to mitigate it's affects on their life, and can be aware of the other alters in their head. It's only ever called "split personality disorder" by media and movies like Split.
It's also good to note that everyone dissociates to some degree. Losing your train of thought randomly in a conversation is a type of dissociation, even if it only lasts for a second or two. It's just very short and very mild. Some people are prone to dissociation more than others, and they can drift off and snap back several times a month, and they'll do it for longer. Relatively few people are so prone to dissociation that it happens super regularly and lasts for long periods of time. This is related to the things necessary for a person to *develop* dissociative identity disorder. A person must be prone to dissociation, and experience prolonged, repeated abuse of some kind around the ages of 5-8. (This is related to the merging of the different, independent mental states of infants, toddlers, and young children, into the unified "personality" and mental identity of late childhood into adolescence. The trauma leads a dissociation prone brain to create a coping mechanism where it splits off a section of the consciousness, and dictates that section to experience the trauma, while the "host" is unaware of what's happening. It will flip to the trauma-holder when trauma starts to happen, then back when the trauma is done *HYPOTHETICALLY.* In reality, the brain sucks donkey balls at doing exactly what it means to within itself, and often ends up creating multiple alters and seemingly random things can initiate a switch. A lot of the mental care surrounding DID is focused on trying to help a system manage the balance between the alters, and affirming that all of the alters are independent, valid people, and that they need to cooperate to live happily. Fighting with your alters is literal hell, since it's like fighting with a roommate that you literally cannot get rid of. Telling an alter that they "aren't real" is only going to piss them off, since they think therefore they are, and they're just going to make your life hell as much as you make their hell.
As a lifelong resident of Michigan… I agree with his opening statement
You can always leave
@@DuckDodgers69 wow thanks man! Didn’t realize you were going to give me the money to get a house, set me up with a job, and all that, thanks again! You made it sound like it’s free
I was looking for this comment 😂
I'm also a life long Michigan resident. The city i live in now has become a sh#t hole. The city passed 10 new laws this year. We can now urinate anywhere we want in public. We can also litter and not get in any trouble. This is because there are so many worthless addicts that live around here and they are so nasty that the city just decided to let the nasty addicts have their way. So disgusting. I am selling my house and moving back to roots in the country. I have absolutely no interest or intentions of helping these losers out as they steal and ruin everything and everyone's life around them. Of course taxpayers have to pay for these worthless people to unfortunately survive. One of my best friends works for DHS. Almost all of these homeless worthless addicts get assistance in cash and medical and food from the government ( taxpayers). Yet these nasty people choose to spend it on drugs. I have had to chase a few out of my yard at gun point. I love having the 4 seasons of Michigan and moving back to the country is absolutely the best move for me.
@@RebeccaGreen-jt3qk I’m from the thumb born and raised, but my father lives just outside of Romeo, and it’s night and day. The countryside here everyone feels connected and cares for more than themselves and their image. Plus around here we get homeless people RARELY so those that do come through people actually help, I know a farm that hired a homeless man and like got him papers and all that. The big Michigan cities are just kinda, sucky in about every way, and it’s sad. Wish things were better (also isn’t peeing anywhere just straight up indecent exposure???)
Otherworld myths are my favorite! So many videos I've seen basically mention the myths exist and don't elaborate much further into the beliefs and history, so thank you for expanding.
hey just wanted to point out some misinformation, it's a little frustrating but I understand sometimes things slip through the cracks.
it isn't ALSO called split personality disorder, it USED to be called multiple personality disorder but was renamed dissociative identity disorder years ago because it is a dissociative/trauma disorder (not a personality disorder). it can only develope in childhood (with repeated trauma) but can be a lifelong issue. the amnesia can last months/years, it is usually triggered by the PTSD but not always.
if you want to research it, I do encourage it. it is a very demonized and misunderstood disorder which is sad when you actually understand that is a defense mechanism developed from childhood trauma.
I can understand Steven wandering around the country and no one noticing him. In 1978 there was no show like America's most wanted, no internet yet, no cell phone gps, no Amber alerts and many other things we take for granted nowadays. Unless someone happened to see a story in the paper or on tv and remember it, they would not have paid him no mind. The fact that he himself didn't want any help remembering makes me believe he knew more than he was saying. Why it happened only he knows.
One reason that no one reported him if they did see him during those 14 months, could possibly be that the people he hitchhiked with may not have wanted to come forward for fear that they would be accused of his murder, especially if it appeared that they were the last to see him? But then again, youd think there would be people who had seen him either get into a car, or passed him without stopping, and would be worried ab him since he was now missing and would want to bring it to light so idk.
there are many people with stories like this. one i remember was 2 or 3 brothers that went deep through the woods one day, and came upon this amazing Castle. the next day, they went back to the very same spot, and it was gone.
The Missing Enigma covered this story just yesterday, did a great job of debunking it too.
Can't be a coincidence, once one of you lot latch onto a topic the rest soon follow! [EDIT since making this comment i have discovered that this is indeed a coincidence, so I was wrong. I don't like deleting comments. I prefer to let them stand as a "reminder to self" that I make mistakes and false assumptions sometimes. Martin]
Every 'Missing 411' case can be debunked. Missing Enigma needs a larger team to take down each case in Paulides' films.
@@travisn346 Missing enigma is a YT channel from a guy made primarily for entertainment not a CSI unit!
I appreciate the edit!
@@TheLoreLodge No worries Aiden, just setting the record straight:)
@@martinharris5017 my point is that Missing Enigma obviously takes the cases seriously and provides a more rational approach. It sounds like we agree that Paulides has shrouded many of the cases in mystery, albeit unnecessarily.
I love how in depth aiden goes into the long term history of where these stories take place. I also love how historically significant my state is
Was not expecting the MTG card art for Oath of Druids to show up when you started talking about Celtic Religions
Man I just love these backstories about the natives in the region at the start of the videos that makes me completely forget what video I'm watching
I hope you talk about Dissociative Disorders. As someone who lives with a dissociative disorder and who knows someone who once woke up on the other side of the country living in foster care for 6 months, that seems like the most likely explanation to me. I’d be willing to send you some resources on DID if you’re interested. Many folks with DID never know
yes thank you! dissociative fugue was my guess
this is very true i dont remember most of my early childhood until boom i was at my 9th birthday in foster care living with my uncle then i dont remember much except bits and pieces till i was out of foster care living with my mom at 13. its really scary when people say "oh dont you remember x y z" and i have to explain that no no i do not. same with right after my friend died when i was 16 i remember the few days immediately after then next to nothing except for being evaluated for mental health. then it was like waking up but dozing occasionally every now and then theres days where i wake up and i think its a completely different day or week, and i also constantly lose small bits of time hours at the most. I personally dont have did but i have other things that can cause similar states.
31:40 Back when Steven Kubacki disappeared, NO missing people got their face on TV or their name unless some journalist needed an "oddball" story (he was abducted by aliens or Bigfoot!!), and even then it may have been given very little air time at all. We didn't start seeing news reports about missing people until perhaps the 1980's or 90's, and even then it was usually a kid or a pretty young girl. I was alive during the 70's (boomer here), and we just didn't get such reports back then. Kids on milk cartons, yes. Families of missing adults put up fliers, contacted police, tried to get the case on 'Unsolved Mysteries' when it eventually debuted, etc. National news -- not interested.
Was this coincidentally timed with the Missing Enigma video that just came out?
i hate these guys. they pull this crap everytime
I had no idea
@@TheLoreLodge ooh spooky coincidence 👀
Thelorelodge 🤝 themissingEnigma
Posting videos about the same missing persons 1 day apart
@@richnolan2744 he does very good work
I find it so odd that when I get interested in a topic, multiple of my subs will come out with videos. love the channel, thanks.
I think he did it himself . He was a genius . Strange on missing enigma yesterday
Bingo, ANOTHER vigilant person who saw the Missing Enigma vid yesterday. And I agree, all the signs point to him having staged the whole thing.
so i pay a monthly fee not to have commercials and now i have to listen to 2 minutes about this guys lunch at Applebees?
If you go with the "captured by aliens" theory, I would be interested to know if Kibacki's clothes (the ones he didn't recognize) fit him when he returned.
I can imagine the aliens down in storage being like, "Hey where's that guys clothes? Ahh crap we lost them? Quick find something that'll fit him."
Great video guys! This was one of my favourite ones so far
Well this is one of the most mysterious cases of all mysterious disappearances just like this channel uploading it within few hours of the missing enigma covering it with alot of detail...n pretty convincing conclusion with the new information they shared
To my understanding he had the opportunity to speak with Kubacki. I decided not to reach out to Steven because he’d said in 1979 that he didn’t have interest in retracing.
GIVE US MORE!!!!! IVE ALREADY WATCHED 80% of your videos. Feed my addiction please.
I really feel like Steven went missing on purpose. His whole nonchalant attitude about the event and some of the stuff he said about it (ex: "I feel like I've done a lot of running?" What does that even mean? You could feel more fit I guess, but how would you know specifically it was running) makes me think he knows what happened and just doesn't want to share. Could be the pressure of his life starting, could be something we don't know about (maybe he feared for his life for some reason and felt like he had to flee? I know there's absolutely 0 evidence for that, but I feel like it fits well with the highly calculated disappearance and then return to his old life). The not leaving any tracks thing is suuuper weird, but I think if he didn't want to be found, he could probably make it happen, and I don't know how many people would actually recognize a missing person from a different state sitting next to them on the bus or something. It's also not that hard to just not buy things that require ID (provided he's not addicted) or get someone else to do it for you. He could also have acquired a fake ID somehow. I *am* curious about money though. Either he had a massive amount of cash on him (something that would also indicate a planned disappearance) or he used his card at some point, but that should have registered with the company and been info that made its way to the police (unless that's something they didn't do at the time 🤷). You brought up the money issue for David but not as much for Steven and now I'm wondering.
Fugue states are weird because you just sort of go on auto pilot and do all the things you need to survive, but your brain doesn't record it and you don't really have a sense of self when doing things. If you've ever gotten to work or school and realized you don't remember getting up or getting ready its kind of like that, but for a long period of time. It's possible that Steven had had short episodes like this in the past which might explain his nonchalant attitude towards the whole thing.
I agree. If you see him in an interview, something's off with him. His whole insistence on refusing to talk about his disappearance feels like he doesn't want to get tripped up. He very intelligent so if he wanted to disappear in the 70's I think he's the kind of guy who is smart enough to figure out how to do that and not leave a trace. He had a history of doing it too... taking off without telling anyone for days or a few weeks at a stretch.
@@TigerLily61811 That's really interesting. I had no idea he had a history of smaller disappearances. That's just more proof in my eyes that he did it intentionally, as that would give him a prior history and knowledge on how to do it in addition to what I feel is a moderately believable motive.
@@TigerLily61811 That’s actually how Fugue state manifests-it happens multiple times for shorter periods before long ones! There is a woman (teacher) who went missing three times-unfortunately she hasn’t returned from the last Fugue yet… She didn’t remember anything but she also didn’t really want to know what happened.
Amazing as always, one note though. Thise with DID (dissociative identity disorder) don't use the term split personality. Its considered outdated and offensive.
great channel! Love the production value, lighting, editing, camera, writing, and story telling!
I love how u always include the native history of the lands you are talking about 👍
I think we, in our hyper connected time, over estimate how aware people in the 70s were. It is very possible that he wandered around, and was not recognized at all, because not everyone would have been paying that much attention to the news. In today’s world, we have social media, and 24 hour news services. None of that existed in 1978. You had the evening news, you had newspapers. It’s very likely coverage was not national. His photo in the paper also may not have accurately portrayed how he appeared in person, as so many of us can attest to. So, he could’ve very well have been in a fugue state, and was just considered a wandering hippie type, which was extremely common back then. He survived off of the generosity of strangers, who probably didn’t think much of him, and probably didn’t pay all that much attention to him. Thus, no one coming forward to say, “Hey, I gave that guy a lift and bought him a coffee and a sandwich.” 🤷♂️ To me this is the most logical explanation.
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Simplest answer is usually the right answer. He wanted to disappear. Didn’t work out. Came back.
You missed an opportunity to talk about the other Brythonic Celts, namely the Cornish and Bretons. The Bretons have the kingdom of Ys, an intermittently sunken land; think Atlantis but stick in a time loop. The Cornish have a similar myth of Lyonesse.
Also, I'd argue that the Welsh don't have nearly as binary a conception of the otherworld as you made it seem, Annwyn is certainly the most famous of their otherworld locations, but it isn't clear if that's the blanket term for any place outside of our normal reality and places such as Caer Sidi are locations within Annwyn or if those are separate places entirely. Annwyn can also be accessed in multiple ways, usually accidentally, since it isn't so much a place as a dimension that overlays our own, but also doesn't. As always though with Celtic myth the biggest problem is trying to detangle Christian influences from the original stories. I've got a book that was published by a Welsh historical society that collected some oral histories and myths from locals in Powys, it has a few interesting takes on popular Welsh myths from the Mabinogion and a few that I've never seen elsewhere. I'll try to dig it up.
There is also a man named Lawrence Joseph Bader who went missing on lake Erie in 1957 and reappeared later with amnesia but he had it so bad he actually started another family in a different state.
Is it just a coincidence that the youtube chanel "missing enigma" had this case 21hours ago?
There's a comment from Aiden further up. He claims its just coincidence and he didn't know/hadn't seen it. Maybe synchronicity is at work?
I started watching this while half asleep and I just about had a heart attack when you brought up my hometown 😭 I've literally never heard anyone talk about Holland before
Hi. I have DID. I have Dissociative Amnesia. I dont remember years of my life, although that is mostly in the past, ie, majority of childhood. most of my recent episodes (hours to days at a time) are forgotten in times of high stress or triggered by something that puts me into a survival state. To be clear: DID is nothing like Split, or Fight Club or anything just as stupid. In fact, Marvel’s Moon Knight show did very well depicting the lack of memory between alters- one had no memory of the vigilante life the other one was leading, but they could leave each other signs or even discuss it with one another when they were able to communicate. When I come to from these episodes, I have people in my life that are safe that can tell me what’s been happening and what we’ve done. I have alters who can communicate to other alters and leave notes and other things from their days up front. sometimes, other alters in the system won’t let us remember our episodes, and can even block out someone TELLING us what happened, in order to protect ourselves. That is the POINT of DID. It is a severe trauma response that is implemented to protect the body and survive. That’s also the point of MASKING the disorder so as not to call attention to yourself for being abnormal and encouraging MORE people to traumatize you for it. In Stephen’s case, it’s possible that he had DID and was not able to remember for this reason, but there is also the point of stigma that he was living under at the time. In his generation, talking about mental health was frowned upon, and he could have been too ashamed to speak to a therapist. I couldn’t say one way or the other whether or not he had DID, but if he did, this fugue state was probably hidden from him in order to protect him from some sort of trauma. something may have happened as he hitch hiked. he may have had to so some things to earn money that wound up getting him hurt. maybe he does remember and just doesn’t want to relive it. It’s his story and his life and sometimes all we can do is wonder. sometimes we never get an answer. and sometimes that’s better for everyone involved.
This whole case is insane. I'm glad I humoured it long enough for a watch. You're a great speaker!
Hey man, person with Dissociative Identity Disorder here, please don't call it "split personality disorder", that label as well as "multiple personality disorder" carry a lot of the stigma that we face because of our disorder.
No hate to you ofc, I'm just trying to educate wherever possible ❤
I always love the lessons about the native history of the land at the beginning of your videos. You'd be a cool history teacher lol.
This reminds me of dissociative fugue. I watched a video about a woman who had it and went missing 3 times, it was a blameitonjorge video if you're interested.
That's a good video, I was thinking of it too.
Wow, I’ve seen a lot of factor ads and yours by far is the best I’ve ever seen.
Shout out to all my fellow Michiganders!
He wrote a book that has nothing to do with his vanishing and I believe he refuses to answer questions about when he was missing even present day. I think he did it on purpose. Maybe just wanted to see the country and get some space, realized how much everyone was looking for him, and said he didn't remember what happened.
I've heard this story before and always been of the opinion that what happened was he met someone on the trail who went onto the lake and fell in like was assumed happened to him and he decided to leave his backpack there and go on the run. essentially faking his own death because he felt guilty. I imagine he was using a fake id while on the run and then someone recognized him but he used the fake ID to get away and then he just ditched the ID and went home.
Sorry to say, Lizardkeeper, but your theory seems highly unlikely, even in a speculative mode.
Marathon is a city in Wisconsin.
He didn't run a marathon, he visited Marathon.
I experience dissociation, and have dissociative identity disorder (its not called split personality anymore, btw, just DID- if people did know it by another name it would probably be MPD, anyhow). I used to be terrified that I would become one of these cases. While it's unlikely, it IS possible for him to have switched out for fourteen months straight. The weird part is that I can't imagine it happening without a major trigger. DID is a stress response formed by childhood trauma. If it WAS another alter fronting for 14 months straight, there had to have been a reason- something that fucked with him badly enough to cause his conciousness to shuffle him back for that long. While I, as an alter, have never gone so long without being in control, it has happened to us. I can think of at least two- one who was gone for about a year, and one who was gone for about three years. When the former returned, she had a vague but workable awareness that time had passed and could remember bits and pieces. When the latter returned, she did feel kind of like she was just picked up in december of 2019 and shucked into august of 2022, with almost nothing in between. For both of them, something bad happened to us shortly before they dipped that they couldn't cope with.
This case COULD be DID, seriously. It would explain his disinterest in what happened (that kind of instinctual denial tends to come with the disorder). It would explain how functional he must have been to make it that far that long. It would explain most of it, tbh.
But it would not explain the lake. Even if DID is the answer, there is still something that happened to this guy. Something bad.
Now, the bad thing may not have happened on the day he went missing. He might have been trying to cope with something for weeks or even months, and the memory of it couldve been stashed away after those 14 months. But that leaves the issue of the tracks.
Maybe I'll look into his childhood, if I can find anything. This disorder comes from childhood trauma (usually that which occurs over time, rather than isolated events), so evidence of abuse, religious trauma, etc would lend toward DID.
Maybe we'll never know?
Anyway, if you have any questions about DID or come across another case that might involve it, feel free to contact me. I'm not a psychologist (though it IS my minor) but I do literally live with it every day lol. I've known for over four years now, and I was diagnosed last year. It can be complicated af and definitely makes life interesting
I think the kids just a lier 😅 people do all kinds of cray stuff when they’re stressed. He chilled, came to his senses and returned home.
Hi Aiden, Marathon, WI is a town, the shirt he wore wasn’t from running a marathon in WI necessarily.
Two videos from two of the best missing persons channels on TH-cam (The Missing Enigma and The Lore Lodge) on the same subject coming out within hours of each other? I know how I'm spending a few hours.
I’m gonna take a look at his before tonight’s show! He’s a bit better at getting police records than I am so I’m curious if he has anything I don’t!
@@TheLoreLodge he also got an interview with Kubacki and the author of the new book coming out about him.
I'm on SAR in my area and I can tell you that drones are being used sometimes, often in consort with human searchers, and they're very cool to have! Much of SAR, at least in the Adirondacks, is physically pushing through dense brush, which you just can't do with drones.
no time portal i think the guy is a liar and just ran away from his life and couldnt bring himself to tell the truth...there is no mystery here
As a resident of Michigan, your opening joke is 100% accurate. Michigan does, in fact, still suck.
No he didnt.. he made it all up, a lot more plausible then suggesting this guy found a portal in time
@no1hereisahumanbecause he obviously made it up. I’m willing to believe lots of stuff but this guy just wanted to escape for a year
@no1hereisahuman no one hurt him, he just uses rational thinking. Can you name one proven instance of time travel or "magic" being real?
You must be real fun at parties
The funny part is how you just responded to the title almost as if you didn’t even watch the video🤥🤥
I believe in portals/ weird stuff unexplainable stuff, but I agree this is probably the most likely explanation
He wanted to disappear for a while and see what people did or how they reacted most likely. Then didn't want everyone to be angry at him when he returned
If you have something that bizarre happen to you, seems like you'd be a bit more interested in figuring it out
The fact he had zero interest in finding out what had happened to him is problematic.
Maybe someone helped him disappeared.
Very sensitively presented, thank you from a Gaulish polytheist.
Lol no. He wanted to get away for a bit and took a trip without telling anyone. Hes just lucky he did it in a time without cellphones.
Hi!! I've been really binging these videos here and I wanted to say I appreciate all the effort put into them! I live in the US but I've never really had the opportunity to learn very much about the culture and history of the indigenous people who lived here first, and I love how you include so much of it. Is there a place I can watch/read where all the Native American history segments you've done have been compiled or anything like that?
How is no one commenting about the obvious piece of food dangling from his face???
My theory: Dude wandered into the TARDIS which had parked itself on the lake, and spent some time having adventures through space and time with the Doctor. Afterwards he either got his memory wiped for some reason or figured faking amnesia was easier than trying to explain any of it.
Big props for the Oath of Druids artwork popping up for a split second @ 19:19
Thanks Aidens! Your channel keeps getting better and better ❤
Watching a video about weird goings on in Michigan and did a double take at the mention of the Greenfield Recorder, I'm from that area and that newspaper was in my house every damn day. Made my homesick nostalgic heart all warm and fuzzy !
The most interesting part for me is that he is a Psychologist now. He probably knows what happened to him.
Hey Aiden, at 3:59 it’s pronounced “hoe doe know show knee “ thank you for all of your history lesson as it pertains to early Native American history within colonial America and Canada, very nice