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- Beckett explores Jannik Sinner's actual racquet setup, the TGT301.4 modified to 325g, 33.3cm balance with a 340 swingweight, strung with Hawk Touch at 28kg and attempts to recreate this using a Graphene Touch Head Speed MP from 2016.
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Quick note about the Graphene XT Speed MP. Ive personally found that the GXT Speed S is a little closer to the Graphene Touch Speed MP. IIRC its the same drill pattern, but a way lower twistweight (akin to sinners) and more similar characteristics with Sinners stick. Its worth checking out.
Interestinggggg, also weird that TW doesnt seem to had twistiweght numbers on the XT MP, only the MPA and Pro.
@@TennCom yeah I found that strange, but I have used the GXT Speed S! Its real good, imo
also, worth noting, the GXT Speed S beam profile is 22.5/22.5/22. GT Speed MP is 22 flat. So very slightly thicker. Again, otherwise, very similar characteristics
Is Sinner's TW supposed to be low? He has clearly some ~4g of lead between 3&9 and 2&10... That's 2 kg.cm2 extra or more.
Also his swing style fits more with a high TW imo but maybe that's just autosuggestion if that's even a word.
@@Maiqel i didnt quite mean sinners actual stick. Meant the Graphene Touch Speed MP itself before customizations
The geek factor on this video is epic!!
And yeah I agree this is by far the most challenging racket I’ve ever used. The amount of wrist release you need to keep the ball in the court is outrageous. I break it out once a month as a yardstick for my progress but find it generally unusable.
Yeah if I was on Sinner's team a few years ago I probably would have suggested a new racquet because he was such an error machine, having tried his setup, it makes sense as to why. Seems like things are paying off now tho
@@TennCom if i wanted to buy exactly sinners racquet which racquet shall i go?
You have such great videos, i'm surprised you don't have more subs. Best tennis tech channel out there. You definitely fill a niche. Enjoy the vids man :)
thanks man!
Excellent investigating !
Thanks for the case breakdown. Great work.
I respect your sleuthing - the details supported by the camera work - I subbed.
It's fun to nerd out about this. For playing, most recreational players don't really need to customize their racquets; they can always just pick one with suitable weight and balance for them. Maybe if you don't want to pay for a new racquet, then customization makes sense. Otherwise, our playing levels are not so high to require a very fine-tuned racquet.
I love this channel. Nerding out about the equipment is so cool. Props to you Beckett 😂. Even tho watching always makes it so you have to fight the urge to ask if the current racket is for you 😂
thanks for watching man, we appreciate the support!
I've had all the graphene speed versions of the mp (and several pro) from the 2012 graphene v1 up to and including the 360+. At 360+ i made the switch to gravity for the thinner beam as the speed line gained 1 mm thicker beam from the 360 version and up which i didn't like. Of all the speed versions i had, i like the graphenext version the most (i have the ltd version). It doesn't feel like a 67 ra. I generally don't like stiffness beyond 64, but the graphenext speed mp feels like exactly that. 63 64 ra. I bought one back and bought some grommet sets for it to last a long time.
Next to my gravity pro 360+ and my gravity mp auxetic.
I recently also bought some radicals, but they feel stiffer than the speeds.
Funny, I’ve never seen an interviewer get that in depth with questions about a pro’s racquet choice and set-up before. But in those clips the AO interviewer really dives deep into it in an almost nerdy or obsessive detail kind of way. You just don’t see that level of focus on equipment specifics from interviewers in similar equipment-sensitive sports like golf. I think it’s a good thing that there is more of a push for transparency and openness about the differences between what pros endorse and what they actually play with.
That’s Jim Courier, a retired US men’s player. He has conducted a lot of in-depth interviews at the AO. A few tennis podcasters pointed them out for being very interesting questions, like what you are noting. I recommend looking up his post-match interview with Medvedev where they get into his deep return of serve. It helps illuminate the genius/skill of the player.
Yeah, it’s not any interviewer, Jim is a tennis legend
Wow, 4-time Grand Slam winner including two French Opens (only American men to win French are him, Chang and Agassi) is now just “AO interviewer” 😮💨
I still have four Touch Speed MP's that I bought when the newer model came out since I loved them so much. Barely touched them
Have been playing with speed gt for several years without any modificaton and replaced it with Extreme tour. When I found out the Sinner specs I've tinkered it to 325, 33.9, 340 sw and it's completely different beast :) it won't let you cheat, but I feel that playing with it makes me a better player as I've to try harder. Also plow through and sound of hawk touch at higher tension is unbelievably satisfying
hey sorry I missed your comment a few days ago! You are tempting me with the idea of a Sinnerized ET... that would be right up my alley
Everything you just said about that setup perfectly describes how my stock 2021 radical mp plays with tour m8 or sniper at 50lbs. What am I not getting about those grapplesnake strings (given you’re selling them)? I can’t hit the ball hard enough often enough to get the spin needed to keep the ball in. I don’t get that with alu power at 52lbs. Great video btw, well done with the research.
Great insightful video! I’ve recently acquired a set of Tour M8 1.25mm strings. Currently, I use a Pro Staff v14 97, strung with Solinco Confidential 1.25mm (16L) at 51lbs. Given this setup, could you recommend an optimal tension for stringing with the Tour M8 (im an all court player if that helps)?
I string Conf at the same tension as M8 in my own frames. 51lbs should play great!
I bought two mint condition xt speed mps for 20 bucks each on the refurbished racket market in Japan. Insanely cheap listings on rakuten and I picked them up on holiday. Obv paying for shipping makes it infeasible but highly recommend to anyone visiting Japan.
Sinner did not want to share his secrets! LMFAO
I just settled on a Wilson Clash 100 Pro V2 and am currently experimenting with my string setups. I'm really interested in the Grapplesnake Tour M8 but I'm also super curious about some poly hybrids, like the Wasabi Pro, Restring Zero/Sync, Zero/Wasabi X, M8/Wasabi X... any thoughts on your favorite setup with my racket when wanting to prioritize comfort, spin, and playability duration? I don't really break strings, but I hate when stringbeds get inconsistent over time and I don't restring as often as I should. I'm used to HyperG 17 @50lbs but your videos have really inspired me to look into more modern strings. Thanks!
Try solinco confidential
It’s identical to my Prestige S IG YouTek, 8 shared holes 22mm
It’s seems as if the traditional set-up for better plays has of heavier static weight with a low balance headlight balance is changing. Seems like many are finding it’s possible to have a light static weight with a more head heavy balance and higher swing weight. One racket comes to mind that plays close to his specs stock… the Tfight 305. What are your thoughts Beckett? You and Luca are lucky to be close to each other. 😢 I want Tennis Bro’s… lol.
You should make a video about racket head shape. It’s one of the things I found makes a noticeable impact on my comfort w/ a racket, and I’d be curious to your take on
do you mean like Isometric vs oval vs circular?
@@TennCom bingo!
☺What is the background music title at the beginning of the video？
Is the Briffidi SW1 that swing machine you using? Did you 3D print it? Any suggestions for choosing an iphone swing tool swing machine compatible? Thx
ye its the SW1, I ordered it from Briffidi as I don't have a 3D printer. To my knowledge its the only machine that works with iPhone and it should work with any newish one. Mine is the 13 Pro and its been perfect.
Brilliant! Thanks 🙏 I am sure it would suit my iPhone 13 too.
Even though SW1 comes pricey and shipping it to my address costs $30 on top of the initial $250. Will look for pre-owned just in case.. cool! Enjoy 🎾
Interesting Vid Beckett, always good to see inside the circle, believe Murray still uses a 2012 Radical mold. But understand why companies constantly roll out new sticks, otherwise they would be scratching around for 10 years twiddling their thumbs. I think if any of us tried to use a pro racquet we would last 20 minutes before needing a chiropractor.
Thanks Ed! So far as I know, Andy is still using the PT57A 16x19 from the 90's (Pro Tour 280). Now that you mention it, I should probably prepare something for Wimbledone (forgive the pun).
When was the Head Graphene XT Speed MP released? Does it precede the Graphene Touch? Was it a normal Head Speed release?
Yes. 2014
Where did you get your Racquet Shelf from? I would like to get one too.
I made it using Ikea Ivar parts
Do you think the XT Speed MP would be good for someone at an intermediate level, or the newer Speed Team L would be a better choice?
Both are $99 at TW btw!
XT Speed MP. I think going with something that light hurts more than it helps. Based on your picture, I assume you are an able-bodied adult male, 295g-305g unstrung should be your target, as you'll get a nice combination of power and stability so you won't feel light you have to rip the felt off the ball to hurt your opponent.
Thank you! Unfortunately the Speed MP is on backorder right now, so I'll go with the 2022 Head Boom Pro. Was thinking on putting Head Lynx Tour on 53 or 54 tension. Hope that's fine @@TennCom
@@diegomahoudeau934 ye the boom pro is nice and work great with Lynx Tour
Thank you !!!! The video I wanted for a year but I couldn't formulate what was missing !!! Now internet is complete, I can go back to search wich raquet will replace my speed mp 2022 that are dead.
by the way : help ! My string of choice are head hawk touch 22kg and I'm searching a raquet to replac emy speed mp 2022. My forehand has a big loop and I'm thinking about shifting to the radical MP 2023. Do you have any suggestion ? Vcore 2023 ??? I don't know what to buy and I cannot try any raquet in my country, and there's no 18x20 disponible, I only have yonex raquets, head radical, boom and gravity MP ... help !
I think if you could get an Extreme Tour that would work really well. Sometimes I struggle with the Radical MP because its hard to generate a lot of top spin and create space over the net. The new Boom MP also plays surprisingly nicely and I prefer it to the new Speed.
@@TennCom thank you !
How is your speed blue? is that some special edition?
yeah world tour finals for Zverev before he switched to the Gravity Pro
Today in Monte Carlo was announced Head Speed Legend 2024.
How does Sinner manage to hold the racquet aways at the same side? The white side is aways on top even twisting it before serves and points.
carrot power
A guy that has worked on his frame told that racquet stiffness is around 60RA, which is by far lower than the Graphene Touch Speed MP, suggesting that is a mofified one.
dr325i is pretty insistent that its the same layup at the GT, and I tend to trust him, given that pro use could easily wear a racquet down from 64RA to 60RA from the constant stringing and all the force that gets applied from such heavy hitting. Still, since the paintjob hasnt changed, I wonder if he's using an old batch intentionally because the stiffness has dropped from use.
Our fellow YT brother; Justin, from; Time410s,
(I know you guys are tennis bros)
bought a Head Speed XT Graphene
(which I own 2 of and 2 MPA's) to see what all the Sinner hoopla is about...
Let's say it didn't go over to well...
(He'll have a video out about it shortly)
The dead giveaway was when he sent it back to TW at loss 🙄
even though the racquet only cost $99.
I guess Toroline and Restring couldn't even save the racquet 😂
YIKES!
you might say he's just in time for tennis
@@TennCom
I think it was more of a;
Lemme try this out Just-in case I like it.
🤣😂🤣
So do you have a link to buy the Sinner clone in its entirety?
unfortunately no, i think this is going to be a DIY thing for most of us
You can create an even better racquet than Sinner's but using a Sinner-esque spec:
• Head Liquidmetal Radical MP
• 325g static
• 33.7cm balance
• 342 swing-weight
(6g lead at 12; 4g lead at 3 and 9; 12g lead in handle)
Given that it’s a) 18x20 pattern and b) better than the Speed MP anyway, you can really swing hard and keep the ball in
do you think Sinner would play better with a denser pattern but a smaller head? I tend to think he might.
@@TennCom Good question.
Last year, Sinner was getting around 2,925rpm on his average forehand and 2,040rpm on his backhand.
That´s a bit lower than guys like Ruud, Berrettini, Musetti, Alcaraz, Kecmanovic, etc, and a few others who are around 3,100-3,300 (forehand), and quite a lot of guys who hit 2,200-2,700 on their backhands.
According to everyone in-the-know, he´s adding significantly more power to the above.
Not that he needs it - he seems to be terminating everyone at the moment 6-1 / 6-2
@@livingtribunal4110 time will tell to determine how repeatable his clutch factor is, we haven't seen anyone with such a light racquet dominate for an extended period of time. I tend to think the heavy sticks are contributing factors to the big 3+2's consistency but who knows, times are changing.
Dear King beckett,
I Have thought of a title for your memoir.
There and Back Again: A Racket Reviewers Tale.
hahahahaha, can you ghost write it?
Has anyone found a complete Head Speed timeline? The one presented here is the most complete I've seen, but can't find one that goes beyond 2016.
2014 graphenext, 2012 graphene v1
I've had all the speed versions from graphene v1 up to 360+, but not the auxetic 1 or 2 (last 2 versions) anymore. At 360+ i moved over to gravity pro and mp
Isn’t the RF similar spec to this, except for the 31mm balance?
I supposed in some ways (swingwight, beam width) but they play completely differently due to the weight and stiffness of the RF.
What UTR are u and lucas?
unknown as neither of us play tournaments or sanctioned leagues... so probably like 3 UTR
Why is your Touch Speed MP kinda blue?
Special edition for Zverev before he got the Gravity line
@@TennCom ahhh you unblocked that memory!
What did you think of the strings?
Hawk Touch is extremely meh and I probably preferred Lynx Tour but they didnt play or feel that different tbh because the racquet really dominates the experience
Arrêtez de dire du n importe quoi 🎉😂😂😢😮ya pas raquette 🏸 magique lol mais juste derrière un secret de travail impressionnant et de bon vouloir de chercher toujours le perfectionnisme voilà la personnalité de jannik sinner !! La raquette est juste l'outil de travail !!! Sans tete froide et ni gambe vous n allez nulle part 😂😂🎉🎉❤forza jannik 😊
You look like me when i was 13 trying to hit a one hander backhand with an ncode six one 333grams, that shit looks heavy AF XD
Actually, there is a 16g version of the Anthracite Hawk Touch.
You get some holibirds titanium 17 mains at 65lbs and some zyex multifilament 51 lbs crosses on a prince diamond / T6 / one of the three piece wilsons, or just throw the piggy bank on the floor and buy a candy bar. Get a serena williams candy trainer in 4 & 1/4 grip with a russian chinese sweaty dog regrip. Never used weight, the idea is instead a wilson hyper hammer, where your purpose is to get ahead of its oblate 9.2 oploid, its actually hyperbolic, its a candy bar.
Alcaraz and Shelton setup please :)
Alcaraz: th-cam.com/video/CnVGUVWu2xY/w-d-xo.html will do Shelton is it comes out that he mods his EZONE
Both 2022 and 2024 Head Speeds have matte white paint and gloss black, just like JS's racket.
2024 Speeds are full velvet, except the Legends. At least the few I played with and photographed.
Sure mr. Wise
Andy Murray been using the blue and black pro tour from the 90's forever. These pros don't switch racquets
Elbow destroyer setup
I had my elbow bionically upgraded for this video
I bought a second-hand Touch MP. Not only because I'm a Sinner fan, but also because I've been playing the previous version myself for some time (XT Speed MP). Also with the "shared holes", same mould. In my opinion, this racket is really good, especially if you like to play with TopSpin and therefore want to accelerate the racket head quickly. In my opinion, the racket is not designed for straight strokes. I only have one problem. According to dr325i or your video, 301.1/2 is supposed to be the Graphene XT layup and 301.4/5 the Graphene Touch layup.
As I am now going to change the grip panels, I was naturally curious to find out what is underneath. It says TGK 301.18.
According to dr325i, that would actually be the XT layup. How can that be if it is 100% a Head Touch MP racket?
If any data is needed from the Speed XT MP or Touch MP, please let me know.
By the way, doesn't Jannik play the Head Hawk Touch in 1.30mm gauge (16G)?
And yes, this string is available, at least in Europe.
do you know what grip size he uses?
i do not sadly, his hands look huge though i would be surprised if it was kinda big
A blue speed mp??
Graphene touch, limited edition. I've had that version as well. I now have the limited edition of the graphenext (version before the touch) which is a little bit less muted which i like.
This is the perhaps the biggest open "secret" in tennis, that everyone just accepts, I mean it's false advertising. Obviously the Pro's are not changing their rackets every year just so that the tennis manufacturers can sell more rackets. Let's get some class action lawsuits going so we can finally find out what everyone is actually using!
we did get some class actions in the 2000s but all that happened was stores and manufacturers had to start saying "endorse" instead of "use"
10 million views
ERRRRM FIRST!?!?!
Looking at those trees without leaves, I'm thinking your tension shouldn't be that high as Sinner in hot melbourne court.
Cool channel, but I can barely hear your voice above the music (and I would like to hear your voice).
:-)
its actually 331 sw strung, measured with a head 3 in 1 at miami open last week
source please, that’s fascinating if true
Yes, source pls 😊
7 days.
No source.
_False._
Why would one want to configure their racket like their favorite pro when you don’t play like them. Determine what fits you and configure it accordingly
I feel there is more to Sinners racket then this, the amount of ball speed he is able to produce is ridiculous. If you watch his matches, the ball travels 30-40% faster than the other players are able to, without a noticeable difference in stoke speed or swing style...
None of top player’s racket is commercialized. Babolat Nadal uses is totally different than they sell on public. Same for Federer and Djokovic. All these players’ rackets are custom made
I'm ready to believe that Alcaraz and Rune actually use the Aero 98
To be honest, what's the point of checking what kind of racket the pros play with?
Even if you had the same racket, shoes, clothes and bags, you wouldn't play like them.
Most likely you would just get an awful arm pain, becuse you're not a pro.
Get what suits you and don't care about the stickers or paint.
If want to play better, train more.
What's the point of getting better at tennis for rec players? Its not like we can make money, there's always going to be someone better, going to the gym has better ROI on fitness, you can still be social at low levels. But the journey to self improvement is fun, challenging and interesting. Same with trying different racquets or exploring how top players get the most out of their equipment. Must people who like racquets aren't expecting it to actually improve their games, its more about the fun of exploring new experiences on the tennis court.
@@TennCom There is a lot of fun and satisfaction in getting better at anything.
But trying to use the same equipment as a pro will most likely bring you more harm than fun and pleasure.
If you want to find the best equipment for you, test some racquets and different strings and pick what feels right for you regardless if some pro is using it or not.
I come from another sport and during my teen years I was also looking at the equipment the top players played with. Once I've received the equipment for free, I've just tested what feels best for me and played with it. Regardless of the price or paint.
@@petrnovak8143 Its not about trying to use it for your main racquet, its about trying it for a few sessions for the different experience. Its obviously not going to be universally fun, but there's certainly a few thousand people who do enjoy it.
@@TennCom If that's what you enjoy and you don't get any injury due to the weight etc., than I understand it, that it's your approach to a nice hobby. If your time and money is worth it, than keep enjoying it. I would prefer to spend the time with training using the equipment, which suits my level of play, but that's just my approach.
Sinner is lying! LOL Most pros are usually prostock frames that they customize to their own specs, except for a few, such as Alcarez, as far as I know!
He's the only one I know as well, though I'd like to see him increase the SW a little bit to help him find a little more patience during rallies rather than just bombing meme shots all day
I don't like heads and sinners😂😂😂
you can copy anybodys racket but you'll still suck at tennis. lets be honest =)
The secret is he would not be playing if it weren’t for the artificial equipment in todays game. The 1HBH should be a requirement for all players with certain exceptions. If they cannot perform it and compete with a 1HBH then they do not belong in tennis. The other requirement should be all players must use a 85 SI 12 ounce wood racket with gut strings only. If they are not talented enough to compete using it then they will not be able to continue on the tour. Tennis has turned into a child’s game and the tennis body has decided that taking bribes from the racket and string manufacturers lobbyists is in their interest as opposed to preserving the originality and uniqueness of the game. Real sports have associations that prevent artificial means into their sports as it only serves to diminish the game and enhance the stats artificially. It also preserves that the player must bring upon the skill needed and it’s not given to them which is what tennis bas done today. Tennis today has hundreds of players in the so called ‘pro’ ranks that would not be able to play pro tennis if they had their equipment replaced with ‘real’ equipment. The stats today are all skewed due to the artificial equipment. Real sports like the MLB NFL NHL have strong leaders who restrict artificial means, their position is to maintain their game and not artificially water it down. Tennis has no such rule.
Let's focus on skills and not on equipment. The "standard" rackets you can buy are exceptionally good. It's better to stick with one racket instead of modifying or changing it every six months because you think there's something better. If you want something different, do a paintjob.
Great news! There are channels completely devoted to tennis skills, just for you!
If he had to use the actual tennis equipment that all the greats used in the 80’s, you would find out his performance drops 75%+. This is a fact. As well as for all the so called pros. They are mostly playing due to the artificial equipment. Just look at all the channels devoted to rackets and strings. They are all nuts. They just have this and that. And yet the actual ability should be coming from within. Most tennis players are not really athletic. They are crafty but the equipment is providing the control and the top spin and the power to them. These are facts. Just look at the amateur world. It won’t hurt for them to adopt all these configurations but they are fooling themselves. The equipment gives them all a false impression that they can do something they really cannot.
Is this similar to the pro staff x at all?
eh not really it reminds me more of the Strike 98
Thickest string is the lowest g so it’s 15 * not 17g it’s thinner