Whites Electronics Out of Business Why?
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- Whites Electronics announcement to dealers that they are going out of business! It’s sad but Cell Phone technology and software updates to your Detector have taken over! Nautilus and Tesoro also American companies are also gone. New machines have LCD screens with computer chips that can do things with software the old machines can’t do. Rechargeable battery’s, Wireless Headphones, waterproof and telescoping shafts are now on all the top detectors. Simplex+ & Equinox are leading the way!
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I will always love Whites metal detectors. Ken White and his family will always have a special places in our hearts. John Plautz the lead engineer; thank you for the great detectors.
They were around a long time!
@@tunnelportterror Garrett got Whites and took their last machine 24k Gold and sold it like a Garrett!
I started with a chest mount Whites machine when i was 12 and thats 49 yrs ago and have been a Whites owner ever since.
Wow that a long time I’ve been doing it 35 years+ what machine do you use?
I’m just an analog guy living in a digital world.
same here
I've had the Prizm 4 through V3i. I was dissapointd with the V3i when it first came out. It was a pain in the butt with software issues. I finally gave up on it and told my dealer that it's heading to my burn pile. My dealer said bring it in and he would swap me for a MXT All Pro. He was happy and I was Happy. Years later I had to sell the MXT. Covid came a long and went taking whites electronics with it. Garrett bought whites . And I went to Minelab. Too Bad whites closed. Many locals had to find another job. If i ever see a MXT in a yard sale. Maybe i will buy it out of good mempries and respect to the good ole days.
Very sad to learn this news. I have the Whites Goldmaster GMT and it is a very good machine. I seem to have a knack to choose good companys that goes extinct. I had remote dog training collars made by Tektronics...now gone. I have a Pentax reflex K10 camera. Pentax is on life support... Now Whites....I was not expecting this as Whites is one of the top dogs as far as quality metal detectors goes.
I have good news for you. Garrett Metal Detectors has acquired Whites and all repairs will continue.👍
Will always use a White's ,30+ years of digging with them! Thank you for the video.
Thanks
IMO, White's over engineered the V3i, It is very inconsistent and way to heavy to swing for a few hours. They had the right idea allowing so many aspects of customization and tweaks to get the detector to perform most of the setting would step on other settings rendering it useless. The only way to recover it was by a master reset.. I have about 400 hours on the V3i and found it to be very frustrating knowing you walked right over good targets. They should have modernized the DFX and XLT and invested time into product design. My V3i was factory serviced in August 2020 and now has a new firmware and new beta menu items. that shows they were adapting. But maybe a little too late. I will miss them.
The days of heavy machines is over same with buying batteries!
If you truly have the beta menus I hope you still have it and know it’s worth. I cant fill one hand with the people who know how to load them up, and your machine would be a unicorn in the wild. Someday it may become common knowledge, but at this point a machine with those hidden menus exposed is invaluable to its cult following. For the record, my V3i has never given me problems. Remains one of the very best discriminators on the planet, and parrots back at you your own technical knowledge. It was made by egg heads for egg heads. It shouldn’t have been a general public machine.
Garrett has all of whites technology and patents now they even work on there machines if you have any questions.
Minelab CTX 3030 is way too heavy and expensive! Now the Nox is #1
Did Garrett buy all of White's assets to avoid having it all spill out into the open market... buy it up, use what you can (material, machinery, jigs, intellectual property) and put the rest in cold storage. Counterfeiting and fake machines is and will be a big issue.
Whites didn’t innovate they make mid level machines and their price point is now too high. Faking lower end machines is not a great market! Minelab and Nokta Macro are what’s selling now,
My second detector was a Tesoro Royale Sabre and i still own that and still looks new.I dont use it much but take it out maybe once or twice during the season..Also own a Teknetics Omega 8000 and a Gamma 6000 and a Minlelab Equinox 800..yeah have to many lol...have a great weekend Craig...
You can’t have enough detectors lol. Happy Hunting
I haven't swung my Whites Spectra VX3 in years. I went online to view the manual again and ran into the bad news. They were always so helpful and treated customers the same way you'd like to be treated yourself. Now that they're out of business, should I sell my VX3?
The new machines blow away the older machines I was a Tesoro Dealer in the late 1980s. Multi Frequency has taken over it the old machine are toys compared to the new detectors!
@@craigtalley Gotcha but this Spectra was a beast. I had a lot of fun with it. I need to get out more often. The best part was coming home to my wife. She loved going through all my new little treasures. I'm in Northern California and was thinking of getting a Minelab for some gold but the prices were astronomical for a GPZ.
@@JohnDeUlloa I’ve seen relic hunters with them!
So many people loved the trx, i always wondered why garret dosnt sell the trx, maybe they only want to sell the carrot 🥕, but wouldnt they capture more sales if they offered both? Who knows
They made a lot of money on the Garrett Carrot 🥕
Though I currently use an AT Max, before that I used a Classic IDX. It’s a coin magnet. Easy to use.
Thanks for the comment it’s too bad the American companies haven’t innovated!
That sucks about whites going out of business. I would love to be able to use the equinox. Thanks for sharing Craig. Stay safe and keep happy
Thanks GLHH stay safe!
Sad to see. First Tesoro and now Whites. I still have detectors from both companies, but they really were left in the past with new technology.
They didn’t innovate
@@craigtalley No they didnt innovate or sadly even keep up with others that did. I have some of their older detectors, Mxt, 5900 Di/Sl, 6000 Di/Sl, and just found a Quantum pro for a great price. I think their older machines are honestly superior to anything they came out with in the last 10 years.
@@Bootyhunter1971 the MXSport killed them!
New sub!
Gonna miss Whites... My first detector was MXT 15 years ago... What a great machine in its time.
Thanks yeah I had a MXT!
Just happened to buy a White's Spectrum XLT in the 90's. Just didn't use it much. Do remember using around where I grew up. When it showed pull tab, it was. I don't remember throwing them on the ground.
Maybe as house was being built. (The old bugger hookers).
How good is this machine???
If you can't, Batteries Pluss could rebuild the rechargeable packs..
I had the Spectrum Eagle first digital machines for a few years I sold it when I switched to Nautilus DMC 2B! I’ve had 49 detectors over the years! It was a good machine in mineralized ground. Now days the multi frequency machines blow it away! Happy Hunting
Thanks for sharing your info, metal detecting has come light years since I started as well, where is the next frontier? Companies have to stay on the cutting edge or they become history. Thanks again Craig...
Thanks for the comment Gary! Companies need to keep up on technology or fall behind!
Great discussion, Craig, I love the 7inch concentric on my Nokta Impact.
Yeah I like it that Nokta Makro has a variety of coils for the Anfibio Multi!
Too bad about Whites going out of business, I know its old news, but I actually wasn't aware of it until recently. The only detector I still use is a White's Eagle Spectrum which I bought back in the 90's sometime. I can't say enough good things about this machine, I don't believe I have ever had it break down on me and needed to get it repaired. It's a real stable detector, and gets great depth, although I'm sure there are probably newer detectors that get better depth nowadays. I've probably paid for it 5 times over with just the clad coins I have found with it, not counting everything else. It is a heavy detector to swing all day, so I may purchase a new detector one of these days just to get one that weighs less because I'm not getting any younger, lol.
I had the Eagle Spectrum one of 2 Whites I had. People were really jealous when I got it. All detectors were too heavy in those days!
@@craigtalley
I would like to pick up another machine one of these days, so of all the machines being made today, what would you say is the best coin shooting detector out there today in terms of depth? Preferably something you have used yourself and not just heard about. Thanks!
@@jzak5723 so far the Blisstool was the deepest Anfibio Multi is very deep! Nox does the best at unmasking in heavy iron.
Tesoro and Whites had a lot of faithful followers but I guess it wasn't enough to keep them in business. I've got 5 Tesoro Metal Detectors. I love my Cibola. I know its probably not as deep as an Equinox or Simplex, but I still hunt with it. I think most people are buying the Simplex or the Equinox right now. I was thinking about getting a Simplex, but would it really make all that much of a difference? I don't know.
I was a Tesoro dealer for 10 years had a least 12 Tesoro’s! Both companies didn’t innovate and Minelab and Nokta Makro killed them!
I loved Whites and was hopeful for the V3i but it was worthless on the beach. I loved the metal boxes, they were early with the ergonomics and decent weight with Xlt. The Xlt needed a faster chip, the eagle 2 S/L 90 1/2 was the best single frequency detector made, should have miniaturized that one. The beachunter ID was old, crappy Minelab reject technology I assume because it was a joke. Poor depth, poor id, etc. The DRC actually worked on the salt beach, but only had 7 volts of transmit power = no depth. Garrett is only flourishing because of security and military detectors, they are way behind too. Fisher needs a new lightweight multi-frequency or they’re next. Aqua pulse was a big disappointment too. Now that Nokta-Makro came on the scene, they give great products at great prices. Minelab is great on technology but poor quality control and support on older units. Give me a Deus 2 and a legend, all anyone needs.
I have a Tarsacci MDT 8000 new Domaine Detection with 2 ground balance. Crazy depth!
That really sucks! I had an old Coinmaster 6000D. Loved that machine!
They were in business for 70 years.
New subscriber liked 👍. I have a old classic sl 2. Two knobs no frills still pull's silver out. I want to upgrade but man no idea where to start with the new stuff.
The Simplex+ and the Equinox are the biggest sellers right now!
@@craigtalley Thanks I will give them a look.👍
I bought Treasuremaster 2 years ago, wasn't happy with the depth and discriminator. I remember back in the 90's I met a guy in a park who was searching with a Whites, in the 10-15 minutes I was talking to him he dug up several silver coins including half dollar. Seemed like a great machine, were they better back then? I'm not surprised they closed operations.
The depth never really improved they didn’t innovate at all!
The next generation machines in years to come would probably, for high end machines, show an image on whats buried.
campak Nokta Makro already has one but it’s Really expensive!
I had that concept back in the 1980s...just have to wait for technology to catch up
I won't part with my V3i. I bought one used when I first started about 8 years ago. Sold it then bought one new. It has IMHO the best display of any machine. Yes the complexity can be intimidating for some users but I come from an electronics/computer background so it didn't faze me. I have had my best finds with it here in the UK. It's heavy compared to modern machines but I don't find it an issue. The stock programs only need minor tweaks from my experience.
I had a Whites Spectrum Eagle it was digital. My newest machine is the Tarsacci MDT 8000 crazy depth!
Мне очень понравился старенький вайтс xlt. 4 khz. Розбирался с ним года два. Потом приобрел катушку от BSG 13dd. Жаль что походил с ним мало ,пришлось продать по семейным обстоятельствам. А так он принес мне не мало приятных находок.
Вторым детектором был Whites classic 3 ,в 2003 году ,на DFX денег небыло! Но всё же Whites были отличными приборами!!!
So i question the updates to the software in these new machines. But what do i know. But what i think i hear u saying about unmasking is. So like Whites MXT Pro, isn't competing with a Equinox because this new software enables it to unmask targets that a machine like the Whites MXT couldn't never get? How much better can machines get with these software updates? Do we really need the latest and greatest updates? I really don't know that's why i am asking questions. I have a Whites MXT Pro and i just bought the new X-Terra Pro. Haven't used it yet but i hope it's better then the Safari i had because that machine couldn't out perform the MXT. And that Minelab Safari was real unstable and chatty like crazy! Thanks for the video. I know it's 2 year old video but still relevant😊. Peace and love✌️❤️
It’s the multi frequency that has made the difference plus they are digital instead of analog! I had the Minelab Explores in the early 2000,s blew all the signal machines away! I’ve had 49 detectors over the last 38 years!
I just got a v3i
Read the letter it doesn’t say they are going out of business it says they are suspending operations which may eventually mean that but we hope not! You have to stay up to date in the world these days though
They say that they see no way forward. They are selling machines and doing repairs for a month.
Whites already sold out to Garrett ,They sold everything except their land to them There is a few places Garrett has to repair existing whites detectors But whites metal detecting Company is no more.
I don’t like the new trend in making the machines flimsy. You know a cell phone attached to a tent pole. You get used to the weight. I like the heavy duty construction like CTX-3030 etrac explorer ect
I was going to get a E track too heavy and bad balance same with the CTX 3030!
Chris, I shake my head at it too. Nothing new has come along in “technology” other than lighter and more energy efficient setups other than fast multifrequency. When it comes to discrimination, which is an important feature of you care about the future of the hobby and not leaving torn up lawns in your wake, Minelab and Whites still have the best at the top of their lineups with the V3i and CTX. If weight is an issue, there are swings that make them light as air. Any man under 60 ought to be able to swing 4-5 balanced pounds though.
Was thinking about buying a friends V3i but think i'll go for an equinox. Still have my 1992 eagle that kills it but its held together with bubblegum and wishes.
Equinox makes the Whites look like toys!
@@craigtalley thanks I value your opinion
👍 from friends!
Learned how to fly a old Cessna all analog, got in one the other day and nope ill stay analog.
Its basic economics,......all the profit go's to the office personnel and in-house advertising,..... they eat up all the profit,.....and factory workers are just grunts.
Maybe they will restructure and come back.
Garrett now have them in Texas nothing has come out when they may produce a new detector!
I would like to get my hands on a simplex to try. The build quality & recovery speed looks like a bargain for the price!!! plus being waterproof!!!! This is one of the reasons American companies are going under.
My friend Derek has one he's shocked how good it finds deep targets in iron!
Minelab is the real reason......Their tech innovation really was a game changer in this hobby........BBS, FBS, Multi-IQ and, others....Other companies are scrambling to play catch-up or, close copy like Simplex to the Equinox....Look how the new (Apex)Garrett machine is trying to be like it also in adopting the multi-frequency idea....It all comes down to Minelab's Bruce Candy's engineering.
I saw this coming a couple of years ago! XP Deus was ahead of every body!
@@craigtalley
Whites sold the technology for Deus and the Mi-6 to XP. Minelab threatened to sue Whites for using the transmission methods in the V3 from machine to machine, machine to headphones, and machine to PC dongle. As part of the settlement Whites could keep the wireless headphones, but had to extract the software for program and data transfer. XP offered to buy the Whites original patent and defend it against Minelab. The rest is history. Imagine where Whites would be if they kept it and didn’t back down from Minelab. To this day the TRX has space and circuitry for the wireless module it was to contain to communicate with the V3 and future machines.
@@Mr.Technical77 Minelab has sued a lot of companies they made Whites get rid of the name Vision for one of their machines! Thanks for the comment.
I heard that Garrett took over White's. I bought my first and only detector in 1987-88, a White's Eagle II SL. I'm hoping your with your experience you could tell me what the maximum DC voltage that this machine could safely use? So far all I know is the battery packs are around 4.8 volts, but some C batteries can be a little higher. Any help with batteries in general would be appreciated. And last of all I've narrowed down my next detector to between a Garrett and a Deus x2 and would like your thoughts on which one to go for. I just plunk around beaches and parks. Cheers!
Garrett hasn’t innovated they are a midline detector. The XP Deus is one of the best machines on the market. I’ve had the first Deus for 10 years great machine light as a feather!
@@craigtalley Thank you. Your experience is appreciated. I kind of thought so only wasn't sure.
Now i have to rebuild my rechargable battery packs when they go bad which is cheaper than buying new ones that no one seem to have online anywhere
Check with Bob at Centerville Electronics in Virginia
@@craigtalley they seem to be out of stock too
thanks
I have a 1996 Whites hand held metal detector. It was manufactured in Scotland. It has now
come to the end of its life. Can anyone recommend an equivalent machine that i could buy?
I use mine for detecting metal wall-ties in brickwork. Thanks.
Nokia Makro has a detector called the Simplex+ its around 300 dollars and is as good as a 600-700 dollar detector!
@@craigtalley Thanks for the quick reply! I live in England but i'll give that a look. Thanks
@@ijl66 you are welcome it’s a very good machine.
It a sad time to lost white
larry griffith yeah it’s a shame!
Why did Tesoro go out as well?
Jack Gifford died and his sons didn’t want to keep Tesoro Going same thing with Whites. Garrett doesn’t make top of the line detectors and has poor sales!
Yeah I Have a Whites Classic Id ,I love it ,Im going to use it until it can't be used anymore, But will upgrade in the near Future, Any recommendations that won't break the bank for basic coin/ gold/ relics & Jewelry something simple to use that I don't have to be a rocket scientist to operate ..Just subscribed
The Nokia Makro Simplex+ is the hottest machine for the price has features of a 600 dollar detector.
I don’t know why the Classic IDX gets such a bad rep. I love mine. Notice they seldom come up on EBAY
@@user-ml7ty3mp1o the technology has passed Whites with the cell phone technology being used in the Nokia Makro and Minelab! Whites didn’t innovate and kept coming out with the same tech! They were in business for 70 years that’s pretty good run.
@@user-ml7ty3mp1o Yup! I agree bro !
Bums me out I have a mxt pro paid 900 coil that came with the machine 13" broke at the rod connection I can't find a coil 13" (whites) it's caused me to not get out and land fish could use some help locating one
Bob has Centerville Electronics in Centerville Virginia is doing repairs you might contact him. He’s switched to selling XP Deus now! He’s repaired Whites for over 35 years!
@@craigtalley that's great news thank you for reaching out to a fellow treasure hunter. I appreciate it
Can you 3d print a replacement?
Have any of those Blistools laying around??sold mine..hate myself for it.lol
Derek might have some my friend next door changed the battery himself!
@@craigtalley yea I had Derek change the battery on my v3...I am very interested in getting my hands on one again..I think I may have Derek's number still. Maybe if u cld look into it 🤩
Whites are still the best, i still use the eagle spectrum, in the uk whites shut there factory in Scotland and if like me you can not get spares repairs or service, many whites users or so disappointed, just because people think cordless wireless firmware updatable are better does not mean it is, i have owned the deus the nox and most others and still prefare whites machines, they yust work well period, so will keep useing till caint source any more ,
I have sites that have very deep relics and I have gone over for years! The Whites machines were top of the line many years ago but no more! The new machines have so much more depth.
@@craigtalley, hm no machine gets. Depth on my roman sites non , as i said i used the nox, and the deus, the whites machines work well, also the mx sport if depth you want goes very deep even on small hammered, but hay o, each to is own,
@@stuartbibby4415 whites has been out of business for a while we thought Garrett would do something since they now have Whites. They took the Whites 24k Gold machine and it’s the Garrett 24k detector.
What happened to blisstool? Thanks great video
I haven’t heard anything for a couple of years great detector the owner not
Blisstool were great machines but terrible for breaking down, got one gathering dust no one anywhere repairs them,
I purchase goldmaster 24k
It was made by Garrett their last Detector!
If you never had a minelab e series you missed a lot of items
Yeah Whites was a middle level detector company!
I had the Minelab Explorer XS for 9 years Awesome detector!
There was never a time you needed to buy disposable batteries, you just buy rechargeable AA, 9 volt ect.
Some detectors wouldn’t work very good because they were low power!
I assume your talking about the stored amp hrs or size of the batteries. If you open the plastic box containing the factory rechargeable battery you will see they used nothing more then generic high amp hr batteries. You can easily buy these same size batteries or even larger capacity. I have done this with all my Whites Units. I own 6 detectors at present. Nice thing about Whites unlike my Nox is the ability to change out batteries in the field and keep going. I understand that Whites just did not modernize this overall design but never did this leave them behind in terms of reliability, longevity, and overall performance. Having been to their Oregon site twice I can say with 100% honestly everyone there was absolutely great and they took great measures to produce good products and the best customer service I have every seen. Such a shame to loose this icon of development and support for our hobby. There will never be another like them.@@craigtalley
Tzahal Tavor I felt the same about Tesoro! Both had great products and service! Neither company innovated in the end and new technology ended them. I’ve had 48 detectors over the years and I have never been about the company I just want the best technology! Thanks for commenting!
@Loco Raindrops I’ve had detectors that ran erratic because of the low power rechargeable batteries! Don’t have to worry now with the LIPO battery that’s internal! Minelab Nox, XP Deus, Anfibio and the Blisstools!
@Loco Raindrops I don’t have to worry about batteries! Deus, Blisstool, Equinox and Anfibio have lithium batteries
Its sad but true. That equinox 800 is just absolutely amazing. Minelab keeps creating these new technologies that are amazing. Look at Minelabs GPZ 7000. That machine uses a new technology called Zero Voltage Transmission (ZVT) Technology. I havent seen anyone even try to compete with it......... Minelab is going to have a complete monopoly over the industry if someone doesnt step up to the plate to compete.
Larry Wardlow I had the Explorer xs during the 2000’s it was a great machine! Nokta Makro is the only one close to Minelab.
Minelab build quality is terrible though.
How to i get hold of white's repair people.. ?
Bob Centerville Electronics - Centerville Virginia