Exploring Colors: Magenta - HC 348
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- The exploring color series continues! Today, we work on the imaginary color - magenta. Does it actually exist? Of course it does, but it also doesn't. That's the fun! We cover how to use the color and bring out it's best in your miniatures. Hope you enjoy!
0:00 Intro
3:34 Mixing Shadows
4:44 Mixing Highlights
5:13 Painting Magenta
7:14 Glazing
8:32 Summary
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Would never have thought about greens as shadows or highlights here! Thanks, Mr V!
Happy to help!
I love your Exploring Colors series, Vince. SO glad to see another episode.
Love the exploring colors episodes. I hope we don't run out of colors.
When Vince pulls out 5 paints to explain what magenta is and you realise you own all 5. I think the universe is trying to tell me I have a problem LOL
Yess! I thought I was crazy when I first mixed Pthalo green and magenta. It was one of the most gorgeous colors I’ve ever mixed on my pallete. It was way more saturated and rich than any other complimentary duo I’ve mixed together 🙌🏻❤️🙌🏻
I know right, that's an amazing mix! You can get anything from navy blue through violets to deep purples. Quinac and Pthalo are so powerful, they do amazing things that seem to break traditional colour theory.
I totally agree!
The weird part: Alizarin Crimson mixes with Pthalo Green totally differently to Quinac Magenta, despite them appearing to be similar colours.
Learned something new! This makes me want to do a dark green zenithal prime and try painting magenta over that.
Thank you for all the great content you put out. its helped me learn and actually enjoy trying things i would otherwise think impossible for me to pull off on miniatures.
Great to hear!
This series is so fun, since for me, it showcases colours that I seldom use, and I've got no clue why I don't?
Teal, Magenta, simply amazing colours.
I'm so glad!
I am 28 and you are my first TH-cam subscription. I have been watching painting videos obsessively when I can't be painting. Your channel is far from slick, so it's harder to find than some, but damn if I haven't learned more in each video than any other youtubers entire video catalogue put together.
That's wonderful to hear and I am very glad to earn your sub and have you along on the hobby journey. Always happy to help. :)
Thanks so much for this series Vince. Really helpful for practical techniques to paint with also.
My pleasure!
Just as you mentioned using green to shade magenta, the inverse also works beautifully. I've recently used magenta to shade the skin of my orks to great effect. For those interested the steps I used are as follows:
1) First, I zenithial primed my orks, I used an airbrush, but similar results can be obtained with rattle cans and/or careful drybrushing from above.
1a) I wanted to practice and hone my technique so I did a proper value sketch on all 40 boyz I was working on, admittedly this did take a while and might be better reserved for display models or heroes, but it was great practice. I went over with passes of a dark shade (nuln oil) in the shadows and a white glaze (approx, 2:1:1 matte medium, Monument white, Liquitex white ink) on the volumetric highlights. I might have been able to avoid having to spend as much time if I had used oils thinned to a wash consistency for my shading rather than an acrylic shade like (nuln oil), a lot of time was spent trying to get smooth transitions by glazing white over areas where I got a bit too much of the shade. With oils I could have easily removed shade from unwanted areas/surfaces with a quick application of oderless spirits, live and learn.
2) Now for the magenta, from below (as in the opposite of a zenithal highlight) I airbrushed a magenta ink (10:1 Liquitex Magenta ink, Liquitex Dioxazine Purple Ink). I felt like shifting the Magenta ever so slightly toward purple so I use one drop of purple ink for every 10 drops of magenta, but if you don't have or want to also add a purple ink to your supply, straight magenta works just as well. Because of the underlying value sketch and spraying from below the upmost facing portions of all the muscles will still be white but will begin to transition to meganta/pink at the mid-point, becoming near black in the deepest shadows. Don't Panic! your orks won't have to suffer the indignity of being pink for long.
3) Now spray (or glaze in with a brush) a green from above, whatever mid-tone green you prefer. For variety I sprayed half of my orks with an olive green and half with a forest green. You want the green to overlap the magenta, leaving a trace amount of magenta just visible in the deepest recesses and shadows.
4) To further highlight and to tie my two shades of green together I highlighted both with the same shade of yellow green, I wanted to practice my airbrush highlighting and my fine control so I used my airbrush with the pressure turned down, but this step could easily have been done with a brush, it may have taken a little longer but would have been easier to control.
That's as far as I've gotten with them so far (I only highlighted with the yellow green last night 6/3/22) but they look great. Their skin is well above "tabletop" and superior to any ork skin I've painted in the past. From here it will be brush work to paint their clothes, armor plates and weapons. If you made it this far I hope this helps you and/or that you at least found it interesting. Cheers.
Another great video from the our boy :-) I love megenta! it is not used much by many people in mini painting but it is slowly changing, it is a key part for myself even when using it for faces or even within reds to add more depth.
Yep, always working in the magenta where I can. :)
Thanks Vince! I've got a construction orange themed Ork army. I've found I don't need very much orange on the model for it to read as orange to the eye, and that gives me lots of extra canvas on my characters to pull in some more interesting colors. Magenta's a great one to incorporate because it's another very striking color that pulls interest in what can be kind of a busy color scheme.
Ah, yes, if this video just did come up 3 years ago before I decided to paint my tyranids magenta.... Thank you vince for another great video on this series.
Glad I could help!
Very awesome color theory you've explored. Thank you!
My pleasure!
AWSOME VID!!! Ordering a fluorescent today!!! Thanks!!
Great tips! I don't use magenta all that often, but I always enjoy it when I do. It's such a good colour to use for funky hair!
Thank you Vince. These color explorations have been far and away some of the most enlightening videos I've seen. I'm enrapt by every one.
Pink and Magenta have always been colors I struggle with finding the right paint colors for. I'm so glad you mentioned the ways to highlight and shade Magenta. Now I can mix the colors that I want better and be happy with the results. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
You may be answering the question I just asked in the Speed Paint Loyalist Marines video here. I should watch all of this series to see if it fully and elaborately explains my inquiry.
Perfect timing on this video, I watched and several hours later learned the Battle of Magenta was June 4th 1859
Another excellent video, and there’s always so much info in each of your “color” series of tutorials. Thanks VERY much for your time and teaching.
Happy to help!
Love this series, keep them coming!
YES!!! A Color Out of Space!
Super awesome video, this has really changed the way I think about using magenta and I love working with it already.
Really loved this one. Thanks a lot Vince.
Incredibly informative! Thanks so much.
2:18 enjoy desaturating (and darkening) phthalo green with magenta and visa versa too. Stumbled upon it by accident. Well I knew they where complimentary colors, but did not know what to expect. I think it works so well because of how blue the phthalo green is, so you are mixing a violet (blue+magenta), but desaturating it because of the green.
That's exactly what happens. You're basically mixing magenta, blue and yellow in a way that gets you very close to a true neutral. It's very cool. I still feel like it's so wild how two such brilliant and clear colours can do that! It feels like magic to me every time!
Always a treat to get new knowledge from my favourite colour to work with 🥰
Mine too!
Another brilliant video, as concise and informative as ever.
Much appreciated!
Long awaited video, very well explained.
Thanks!
0:50 beautiful!
Man this is perfect timing lol was looking at giving my chaos knights magenta eyes since their carapaces are green lol (referencing the Zeon Zaku color scheme)
Love the series love the colour keep them coming!
Thanks Vince
This was really informative. There are a few colors I've wanted to work into different projects and Magenta is one of them, this certainly displayed the potential this color has!
Happy to help. :)
Nice vid Vince. I'll be referencing this one a lot! :)
Really cool and useful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
5:38 AFAIK the most used pigment in magenta paints is PR122. It's more translucent than pigment used to reprecent colors (red and violet) on either side of the color wheel.
Some shades of PV19 are very popular as well, but just as translucent as PR122.
I would argue that the Quinacridone reds and stuff like dioxazine purple are just as translucent, but there are just so many red and to some extent purples to choose from that you are probably right. The cadmium reds are certainly quite opaque.
Thanks Vince, i always love your colour videos they very informative
Awesome!
Hi Vince! I love your videos, especially these ones about colors.
Glad you like them!
And here, I had settled on a "lagoon" teal/cyan with splashes of magenta for my Dark Eldar. Kind of wish I'd tried a more pure green.
Oh well, I think the scheme I've got works reasonably well anyway. The magenta really pops. Very satisfying.
(Unfortunately, the CMYK color scheme I'm using the Dark Eldar is also basically the scheme I wanted to do for the Tzeentch models I just got. So I'm either going to have two similar armies that shouldn't be, or one of them is going to have to change. Oops.)
Wanted to click 'Like' before the video starts! Thank you for amazing painting lectures!
Glad you like them!
Magnificent. As someone who is thinking of painting a punk band, and having regretted buying into Kimera as a complete noob (I am more the metallic/contrast kind of skillset, but trying to branch out) I always want to learn more about how to use these completely unexplored spectrums on my point.
Which is a point; Magenta and pink can be great colors. Star Wars Star Fighters often have it as an engine color and it looks so energetic and fantastic with that medium.
This series is wonderful.
Thanks!
I was literally just racking my brain for a good contrast color to Jade for my nurgle army, and once again Vince comes to the rescue. Thanks again for educating us unwashed masses! Great vid as always!
I'm smashing that like button every time. Keep'em comming :)
3:28 I agree. Fluorescent magenta and fluorescent green are my favorites. Love the tone of the AK third gen fluorescent magenta and the pop of the Golden High Flow one.
Scale 75 has a new flourescent magenta I used from their Mystic Paint set to paint and it is a great compliment to AK's flourescent magenta. The Mystic Paint set isn't out yet unless you were in the Kickstarter but its a great color. Its calle Vista Coral.
it is a lighter magenta and works well with the AK Flourescent Pink to create a 2 tone flourescent look.
This has become my favorite color. My eyes can never focus on it.
Love it - thx!
Needed that. Thanks Vince
Happy to help!
Thx, need some magenta in my life
thanks for the history lesson :)
Guess I'll go and buy some magenta
Very interesting ! I never felt comfortable with Magenta until now. I am trying to paint a mini with an anime style and I think it could help for some interesting hair color there
I recently heard another creator mention that you taught them magenta doesn’t exist - so I clicked right away to have my mind blown too. :)
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thank you 👍
Exploring colours...my fave HC theme 😍 I don't even think I have a straight up magenta in my paint stash, gonna have to put that to rights next time I treat myself to supplies. Thanks for the ivid...always inspiring 👍🏽
I'm going to have to look back and see if you have a video discussing CMYK and blending on the model. 348 is a lot to dig through :)
Wasn’t happy with my magenta theme until I saw your suggestions. F’ing A. Thanks
Soon you'll have to branch out into the invisible spectrum!
Exploring Colors: UV Radiation!
Great video
Thanks!
Currently building a craftworld Altansar force using Vallejo magenta. Soooo much magenta
I love this series. That's all.
FINALLY! My wish came true!
Thank you for dedicating an entire episode to magenta!!! And not calling it pink 😂 I love magenta (and the color you get with phthalo green is lovely)
It also blew my mind when I originally found out that the scientific subtractive primaries were cmy....a big part of that being magenta.
Hurray!
Thank yoU!
The evolution of CYM from RGB is funny to me because in UK TV almost all shows were just the latter, then a show called Utopia came out and many shows after just copied it.
Very interesting to see how magenta that vallejo magenta really is.
I've kept on skipping on that one since almost every image of it i see online
makes it look way redder than it is.
And since I already had sunset red which is also very magenta I felt I didn't need this.
But now I'm not so sure. :-D
Btw, an interesting colour, between pink and purple, maybe too bright to be purple,
but a lot of people might call it pink. (Though that could depend on things like your social group
or say your country).
It's a really fun color for sure. :)
Magenta is one of my favorite colors.
Picky time :). I'm a bit puzzled by an 1859 date for what looks like a traditional ecclesiastical purple to me. 1859 seems to mark the development of the particular aniline dye that was first given this name, but nowadays we'd use quinacridone magenta (PR122) which was apparently invented in 1958, treating the word as the name of the pre-existing colour rather than of the specific 1859 dye. I'm also not quite comfortable with the “averaging” explanation of colour perception-I think it's more a question that (most) people receive R, G, B (in daylight light levels…) inputs from the eyeball and then classify what they are seeing accordingly. If you get a pattern that is the same as you would have from a (relatively rare) single wavelength, you have no basis for telling them apart, and obviously they appear to be the same familiar colour. There's no averaging; instead, the eye's R and G wavelength sensitivity overlap a lot, as do G and B, to avoid leaving a gap of wavelengths that you can't see at all-so you see lots of oranges and yellows and greens. Magenta, on the other hand, is a percept that happens to require at least two wavelengths in the stimulus (R and B are tickled more than G, even though G is between R and B in its _peak_ sensitivity), but that's not so weird or “unnatural”-white does too. Ok, I'm done! :)
Oh, no, I'm not. I also need to point out that poop actually covers _a lot_ better than most fluorescent paints.
No really, this video is utterly great! I'm just a pedant.
Glad you enjoyed it, all good thoughts. And yes, certainly we might have seen colors similar before (I mean, magenta flowers existed since before humans) - but yes, it marks the spot we created that dye and adopted the name. There are several colors like this. But language has power, lots of it. And a naming a thing often makes it more apparent to us (like when did blue come into existence is up for debate)
Have you thought of doing an exploring colours on metallics like gold,copper,brass and bronze? Maybe how they differ?
I think I've seen some videos where painters used magenta for different things. Like making shadows on specific colors and such. I can't remember exactly.
Yep, bringing it into shadows is great
888th like, may Khorne bless your algorithm! I'll be painting some magenta glow today on my big robot so this video is well timed, thank you
Don't forget to add this to the colors playlist! It's not attached to it yet.
Good call!
You forgot highlighting with Sunny skin tone, which you touched on elsewhere. That’s my fav magenta highlight
You are absolutely correct, I touched on it before I think in the universal highlight video. :)
@@VinceVenturella indeed, that’s where I learnt it :) any ideas for the future of this series as we seem to have run out of colors?
@@Roke1222 Many more to come, don't worry. ;)
Ak interactiv 3gen black/red is probley my favoritt to do skin shadeing, it goes magenta when thinned, and the paint i use most of all paints in my 800 paints pluss collection is kimera magenta
This looks fantastic! Im having SO much trouble blending Purple to Pink, i always end up with SUCH a clear line between the purple and pink, no matter how thin the glaze. Any tips how to move from deep purple like you use on your palette, to a bright pink?
Don't do that. ;) - Okay, serious answer is yes, blend through magenta. You need to use the more transparent colors as your transition/interference colors. So pink is just red or magenta plus a bunch of white pigment, that means it's always going to leave an edge. Don't try to blend pink into the purple, blend magenta into the purple, and then magenta, then pink into the magenta, it will look more natural and be a heck of a lot easier.
Thanks Vince I always love these Exploring Colour videos...could I ask? I remember your brilliant Purple video from a few years back. How does magenta work with the purlple/ violet paints? Is it a good highlight for reddy purples for example? Thanks
Yes, absolutely, magenta can be an excellent highlight for purple, or even a color shift.
Hey just wanted to mention that this video should maybe be added to the playlist with the others? would help with visibility
I didn't realize it wasn't! Fixed and now part of the playlist. :)
The old warlock purple from Citadel was my favorite magenta. Sadly it isn’t produced anymore
@Jaque LeStrike the army painter has a magenta that is exactly labelled “warlock purple” I love to use it. It’s not citadel but it might just be the colour you’re looking for
@@Conster489 thx for the Info!
👍👍
Good video Vince.
Im curious on what is the story with the everchanging desktop images
Just my normal desktop wallpaper, I like angels. :)
If I paid as much attention in school as I do here I'd be much further ahead in life lol
Do you have a favourite pigment for magenta (or as close as we get to it with pigments)? I started out PV19, but lately I like PR122 more.
Btw I was SO disappointed by the ProAcryl Magenta. I had not imagined they would add white to it, so I felt really bummed out, thinking I'd have a magenta while I waited for my Kimeras a couple of years ago.
Yep, PR122. As to Pro Acryl Magenta yes, they added white, but there is a new Magenta coming from them that will be a true magenta.
@@VinceVenturella Ooh, that is good to know! Thank you for the video and thank you for the good news!
I cannot believe how many times you said "deep purple" without making a single Smoke on the Water reference.
Real missed opportunity for sure
@@VinceVenturella More like a mist opportunity, amirite???
Hi Vince. What type of wet palate do you use?
Exemplar from Game Envy
So what colours from citadel or vallejo would be the equivalent of pthallo green? It's a dark green with a little blueish?
Obviously not Vince here, but I just looked through the ranges because I was curious:
Unfortunately, from what I can tell none of those two brands carry a clean pthalo green blue shade.
If I were you, I'd go buy some Golden So Flat. They definitely have it. You're looking for the pigment code PG7 on the bottle/tube, PG36 is Pthalo Green yellow shade.
PG7 is a brilliant mixer and extremely strong, so a little goes a very long way.
@@Finkeldinken Thanks! I'm always looking for an excuse to expand the paint collection.
Yes, I am not sure there is really is a perfect equivalent, but you could experiment with some of the darker green blues and see if the effect is close.
What would be the closest AK or Vallejo color to pthalos green?
I’m not sure, but any deep blue-green will work.
Do you use a new camera? The quality is anazing
Anyone wanting to learn more about why magenta isn't really a colour should look up "qualia", but be prepared to no longer trust your senses...
Per magenta's transparency, Quinacridone magenta (PR 122) is a big absence from Golden's SoFlat range, presumably because it's hard to make it as opaque as they want for the range. Which is a real shame as it's a such an important colour space for our hobby (and fine arts too, so I hope they eventually formulate something useful here).
As a suitable option, there is a quin. magenta in the Liquitex acrylic gouache series, which I believe is the competitive product line to Golden SoFlat.
Were you using Kimera's Magenta when you were mixing the different paints?
Yes indeed
@VinceVenturella What would you recommend mixing it with? I have been trying to find 3 vibrant shades of magenta for a gradient on some energy swords, and im curious on what you would do/recommend.
@@frodolph2300 I just generally mix them up and down with a near white a dark purple/black and I use that to create gradients.
@VinceVenturella I'm assuming the near white and dark purple paints are ice yellow and royal purple. If not, what paints would you recommend for that?
@@frodolph2300the darkest purple I can find. Royal Purple isn't generally dark enough, but you can just mix purple with black.
Soooo... If magenta was discovered/created in the 1800's, when/how is it a primary color in CMYK printing?
I'm missing something or don't understand the full story of primary colors, I'm sure.
Well, CMYK wasn’t invented as a printing method (where it works as a “color” wheel, until 1906, so that is when it came into usage and then it migrated along to other printing methods.
Why did you waited so long to talk about the best color on the spectr... wait a moment! Damn 🤔
Can do a video about uv red
hi @vince , has been a year now. What is the next color you will show us?
I've gone through most of the rainbow at this point, I do need to get back to this series.
@@VinceVenturella agreed
I know these are not really colours but how about white and black ? You've done grey already 😄
What are some other imaginary colors?
THis is basically the one.
What, not a real color? Next you're going to tell me a small puppy with glasses who's neighbor and best friend puppy is a detective able to communicate through paw prints is somehow unrealistic and likely fiction. Steve and Joe and Josh would kindly disagree.
... When you watch a "Discover [color XYZ]" video from Vince and start a completely new painting sheme for your Dark Eldar Army ...
Awesome