Zeus MK II CL the Most Frustrating Ship to Load in Star Citizen!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- In this Star Citizen gameplay video, we take a look at what cargo hauling is like with the new RSI Zeus MK II CL to see how much money we can make by trading gold. I also explore how to optimize the cargo bay to fit the largest boxes possible.
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Don't get me wrong. It's a great ship, but it's not well-suited for maximizing the cargo grid. If you want everything snapped.
I feel it has a purposefully weird grid size. After the disappointment I just started to think of it as a 64 SCU grid with ‘extra options’. I’ll probably get the ES though for carrying a ROC and keep my Raft. o7
@@skullhqx I Think just about the same. I'll stick to my beloved RAFT, which has an insane QF load and looks damn industrial cool. And it has a nice living quarters, too.
@@acme4791 Well… I think the Raft had the best fuel tank in game, but it seems like in 3.24.2 it will be adjusted down. It will still be good, but not insanely good. Meanwhile the Caterpillar’s quantum fuel tanks seems to get an astonishing upgrade to possibly the best in game. Like more than the C2 has! Okay, not going to lie, this means I’ll likely keep both my Caterpillar and C2. I’ll take the Zeus ES for ROC mining and forgo the CL. o7
Don't excuse yourself. You are one of the few who had the guts to call this ship out. Everyone seems to be too busy wetting their pants. xD
People complained so much about "wasted space without a grid" with so many other designs. Now there is no wasted space, allowing *you* the choice of whether to leave a gap down the middle and make load/unload easier, or not. *You* chose "not" ...and wow, so predictably its harder. Instead you brought the 2's, (losing the buffer) and used the 2's along the side, not the middle.
This is *exactly* the kind of cargo grid people have asked for on ships like the Vulture. Edge to edge, floor to roof. Second entrance so that a full cargo doesn't block entry/egress. *You* could have left a buffer of 2's down the center (even just a stack of them at the back) to make removal easier.
We *asked* for this. To avoid the temptation of loose cargo. Safe, snapped-to-grid, *FULL* cargo holds, with easy access to the components.
*We* didn't ask. *You* might but not *me* 😉
@@protoni6996 you know what I mean ...those *other* folks ...not *us.*
Squeaky wheels get the grease, and "wasted space let us decide" squeaked far more than "love how you do cargo grids". I'd *never* overstuff my Vulture... or Reclaimer... I've never filled that center gap in a C2 until I had a nasty Boxplosion(tm). And I *certainly* have never closed my Taurus cargo elevator and had my ship explode....
Yeah, those *other* folks, mhm.
This is not a problem with the players or the storage grid, this is a problem with the game engine and the physics. If these things worked correctly, there would be no problems. I am one of those who does not like empty spaces, especially in storage. But for now, this all looks like a way to force people to buy this shitty Atlas.
@@VenDooM_IT Then you obviously haven't tried it yourself, and are simply repeating things you read on spectrum, or reddit. It is almost as if "bitch about CIG" is this community's version of virtue signaling.
When working in tight spaces like the Zeus mk II CL the manual tractors are *far* superior. The ATLS can barely move boxes in confined spaces like that at all. Let alone in such a small room. Great tool for moving large numbers of small boxes in large spaces... *terrible* at precision work. They are literally a different tool for a different job.
*And* they are unrelated to the discussion at hand.
Do you always straw man when you have nothing useful to contribute?
When one does not know what one is speaking about, one's mouth is best used for chewing.
Yeah.
The cargo layout is fine. The bigger issue is the small tight doorway that makes loading difficult just so they could artificially restrict Ursa size rovers from fitting so they can upsell larger ships down the road.
The OP is 💯x💯
Just enjoy cargo for what it is, your not going to get rich with this starter anyways, well small multicrew ship
agree but for love god we should be able to pick the scu box type
We have old MSR pledgers who want to have a smaller ramp to fit the original pledge... nobody is ever satisfied lol
Yep.
If they made it perfect, no one would buy the more expensive ships.
Are you tring to say: More expensive ships are more useful/better? 890 jump waving xD
Only a moron would write BS like this.
A) They can't make it perfect. Even released games aren't perfect and this is still under construction.
B) You buy more expensive ships because they are bigger and fit in even more.
More like if they made it perfect people may never use anything else😕
Once I saw I couldn’t fit my URSA Medvac, my interest was lost.
Meanwhile in the 600i there's enough space to fit nearly 300 SCU, but the grids only accept 1 or 2 SCU crates, and only 24 SCU of the grid is easily accessible, and you can only take 1 SCU crates to the other 20 SCU grid.
I once took an 8 SCU hauling mission and got 4 crates off-grid before it blew up.
The 600i is epic.
personally i don't think it's a bad cargo grid design
i like how they didn't waste any space in the cargo space. and it fits 2 32scu container, which is a good competitor to C1
yeah as long there is another way in and out(and not like Titan example) but also look really difficult to load. i really don't like when i need to draw a plan to get few boxes to fit in a ship 😅 but not hating yey ( i put that on hold and wait on my own experience) 😂👍
It's much better than the reclaimer cargo handling, which was probably designed by a blind man.
I'm just thinking this is a new ship surely they have cargo loading in mind right and there's loads of older ships that have it way worse true. I'm just disappointed that a new ship with the new cargo system feels so weird
What’s frustrating to me is watching you getting your gold 🤣 I have been trying to get mine for two weeks. Elevators always broke.
Game is unplayable. Most of the good content is locked rn
I did spend 5 hours today fighting 30k errors and probably pulled out all the boxes a million times to start over because things just wouldn't fit even though on paper should
Sure my C1 may not quite carry as much cargo, but I never had to think about how to load and unload x3 32 SCU boxes either.
I actually haven't tried hauling with my C1 after they introduced these elevators. So you just park outside the elevator, buy 3x 32 SCU boxes, and load them with your co-pilot tractor beam?
@@Jarvice I haven't done it with the elevator either yet, but that's pretty much the idea. You can just use the big tractor beam if you are only doing the 3 big boxes. I think you may be able to fit some smaller extra boxes in the component area in the rear, but haven't toyed with that either. If you do, then you'll have to use the rear tractor beam on the ship since you won't be able to access the outside then.
I'm with you!!!!
You're gonna be thinking about that when fragile/explosive cargo is in game. I know I don't want a 32SCU bomb bouncing around all loosey goosey in the back...
X3 32 SCU is easy to load/unload in the Zeus CL. 2 containers on the cargo grid, and the 3rd one off cargo grid. With extra room to store more (smaller) containers.
And you can enter the ship using the ladder.
Yes it's cramped, but the biggest issue is that boxes stick to each other and have been like that for a couple of patches. It's like they are just slightly wider than they are supposed to be which is why you couldn't slide the 2scu box between the eights despite there clearly being enough room. On the 315p, the boxes cement themselves together as well and i have to auto-unload them.
Why wouldnt you start with a single scu high layer then the big boxes
I think this video just convinced me to get the ES!
Good idea, you have an Advanced Radar Pack, so you can go off exploring.
This guy is forgetting there's a tractor beam for the ship lol
@@derekhurd7426Stop with the ''lol'', what are you 5?, your supposed to be an adult, act like one you tool
@@derekhurd7426 which is terrible to use.
What the hell make CIG think this is joyfull to do over and over again? and they force their players to do thease shit all the time?
do you greedy people not realize that completely filling every single spot on he cargo grid is OPTIONAL? people have been complaining for so long about wasted space in cargo holds that they actually made a ship with no wasted space and now people complain again? would you rather they made it like the C1 and just gave you enough space for 2 32scu boxes on the sides? would that make you happier?
Yup. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Sadly, about 95% of gamers literally can't control themselves enough to not do it. Same reason people act like they HAVE to buy the new concept ship.
New for 2025, Star Citizen is being rebranded to, Star Tedium.
Do you think you could get the 24scu in, if you laid the 4scu boxes on the grid first? Not sure if they'd fit in the door, but I don't own a Zeus...
I tried it, the 24 scu box gets stuck
Yeah, I’m just going to stick with my Taurus!
Taurus is the best current cargo ship in the game, especially with an atls.
I'm with you on that. I upgraded my C1 to the Zeus CL and the cargo grid on the Zeus was a bit of a sad surprise. It's 128 theoretical. Very hard to fill it up if you're not using only 1 SCU boxes.
Just wait until he finds out about the carrack
Carrack is an old ship and definitely needs an update but this ship is new with the cargo update. Surely they would check how it feels to load full of cargo and buff out the kinks
Carrack next to useless, always has been, and will stay a eunuch for a yr or two, its a mess, old and a relic.
Buen video, Amigo. Es cierto que el Zeus MK II CL es una nueva nave recién lanzada y se puede mejorar. Tu intentaste con dos cajas grandes de 24 SCU y si hubiera sido de 16 SCU o 8 SCU para ir llenando de manera apilada de a 3 y los costados unos de los flacos. (no me acuerdo de cuanto SCU eran cuando los pusiste en las paredes). Pero bueno al menos lo intentaste sin explotar la nave. Y no lo intentaste con el ARGO ATLAS para descargarlo en tu percha. Pero bueno. Gracias por ensenarnos algo para más adelante te esperara el reto de poner la carga con la nave IRONCLAD... Buena suerte cuando llegue ese día. Saludos.
I do not see myself always fully loading the Zeus. Yes I will have those issues when fully loading but the amount of snappable spaces adds additional versatility I didn't have with the Spirit. It comes down to how much cargo I want to load but for a medium size ship that is easy to land in tight spaces it is a better tradeoff compared to the Spirit and Cutlass. If I need better cargo loading I need a bigger ship. Great video and very insightful
Place smaller boxes first and snap 24 scu on top of them after.
I tried that couldn't get the 24 scu boxes in
Who thought that making the players manually load their Cargo was intuitive and fun gameplay? I haven't played this game in months and this crap doesn't make me want to touch the game ever again
I think they will work on this. So you can move the cargo easier in the ship.
Its not only a Zeus problem.
On the other side, the Zeus was just released. They can improve it.
This is what happens when people show CIG that they're willing to fit thousands of SCU into ships by stuff it whereever it'll fit.
My Freelancer Max is maybe not that outdated seeing this Rubik's cube puzzle with containers.
since it all snaps to a grid, they ought to either give the space within the ship to load cargo, bring back free autoloading for cargo, or work on having scu boxes moving and snapping to grid a little easier and consistent. considering the way they gutted flight physics from realistic to mario-brothers style for their own convenience, they have no leg to stand on not changing cargo physics to something more convenient for players...
So if you were forced to use the Zeus for cargo carrying, what do you think is the maximum load that you would be willing to spend time packing even if it takes multiple trips?
Hey! A real review, instead of one of the many "its great, buy one!" reviews.
Thanks.
It's about as frustrating to load as any ship with an internal cargo area. Generally, I don't think we're typically filling a cargo area to the brim unless it is a situation like the vulture where we got to make use of that space to make the salvaging trips worth it. The C2 is probably the least frustrating cargo ship to run that has an internal bay since it opens from both ends and is extremely wide.
Can’t believe this took a whole year
made this much harder than it needed to be by buying the 24 scu containers. Just buy the 4 and 2 scu containers and the only complaint you’ll have is moving more boxes, but I would bet it’ll be faster than trying to Tetris around those 24 scu containers
One of the other Vloggers, Rays Guide, said the same thing. He said you can fill the bay with only 22 crates but it is much quicker to use 6x8scu, 6x4scu and 22x2scu.
I do not see any frustration that ties to the ship. Seems more your chaotic way of loading up the ship, something to get used to with a new ship I presume. And the beam does not make it easy to move things around. But nice video to see the cargo.
I gave up on my dream of being a space trucker. Then gave up on mining. Then gave up on salvage... Then master modes has me debating about giving up on bounty hunting.
I'm losing interest more and more with every update because when things seem like they're going well, A bug of some sort destroys everything I accomplish.
way I see it is it is a 64, maybe even 96 scu ship with everything else being a bonus. we always complain about ships not having a cargo grid where there should be one and now I see everyone complaining that there is one where it is slightly unconventional. it leaves it up to the player how much and where to load it
if you store the ship you can AUTOSELL, but only the boxes on the grid
I'd say that cargo door is bigger than the C1, constantly knocking crates with that door.
I have both as they throw them in with Subscription, and not to knock the variants, they're quite uninspiring, very bland interior, a ''SuperMax'' type window in the seating area, which is next to useless, and the ES which is a eunuch atm. They are a bit buggy along with the ptu, but a decent multi-crew ship for a small group, and dirt cheap if you brought them Warbond, which many of us did.
Thank you for your hard effort! If i ever fly that ship the Max i will load will be 2 boxes 24 scu ;-D
There's always a bigger space Dorito.
I would never manually load a Zeus. Thee cargo gets put in and stacked nicely filling the grid if the station does it
That said, i wish the cargo door was a different shape, so we can fit a Nursa through it
Ya I’m guessing that will happen when overpacking/buying difficult sizes of boxes 😅
the CL probably will go up to 170 Bucks, so better get a taurus tbh. The Zeus looks great but this Loading is just madness.
Gets more scu than the c1 but is much more time consuming to load. This is just “balance”. (C1 minimum full load is 6 boxes - vs 26 of the CL)
Spirit will be the good cargo trade/hauler. While the clipper will excel at supply runs for outposts/ships
Well technically the C1 can just load 3x32scu and once the elevators are fixed that will be more practical.
Loading CM in a C2 is basically impossible on the top layer.
as a feature they should play the Tetris music 😂
this cargo loading in general looks super frustrating
i thought the grid was (8x8, 8x4 and 2x16)?
The marketing team strikes again.
CIG needs to restrain those clowns they are ruining the game.
This could be very easily fixed by reducing the cargo grid.
FFS you cant even access components with fully loaded cargo.
But Nooo. we have to impress those buyers!
Tip dont get 24 or 16 scu containers. 8 scu container max makes the job easier.
I never saw this ship as a cargo ship. As long as I can put in a ground vehicle like a mole then Im cool otherwise its a waste like the 400i. I won't go into how pointless the 400i is now.
Remember when they said they would make it realistic then roll it back to fun. CIG start rolling this sucks
i dont think it for heavy cargo, i think it more for small daily mission cargo runing. it about useing the right tool for the right job.. CL is not for Midmaxing gold runs.
I fully loaded in 5 minutes and was gone
You should make a video of that.
I'd to love to see this in action! Send the link here once you've recorded yourself doing it that quickly. :) o7
At that price\size point, you get sacrifices :)
The Worst freight ship for manual loading/unloading (as 600i)
Only auto loading to save your time, atherwise its better to take C1
*Will be funny if auto loading will be cost much higher then other ships )
i like how its a OP cargo for its size of ship but you gotta WORK for it. lol
it not the ship it is that you can not pick the type of boxes to use , i really dont get how hell a starter ship going do anything cargo related , same issue carrack has boxes should be pick by you for what scu boxes you want to use
And they made the door too small for an Ursa. Not the ship for me.
I wouldn't mind an auto stacking option.
You havent tried to hand load a freelancer yet have you?
As annoying as the cl is, its way better than max
The max wasn't designed with the new cargo system in mind this one was and still problems
How so? The MAX has more space around the edges, and has a nearly full-width door. Are you referring to the small foreward cargo compartment, with its door that barely fits a box? After trying the Zeus, I'm thinking of sticking with the MAX.
@@bubbavox it's one of the first ships that ever came out. They didn't even know about physical cargo loading back then. I'm sure an update is coming for it
So you are saying it is a terrible cargo ship because you can't fit in 128scu conveniently.
By that logic, the C1 is also a terrible cargo ship cause it's the same size and also can't fit in 128scu conveniently.
Have you tried loading a caterpillar? 😂
This ship just came out before that there was no real manuel cargo loading, the cat is old and needs an update for sure.
First off, you're playing in the put, which of course it's going to have issues. So, no it's not going to be perfect, if you played long enough you should know that. They're gonna have to make adjustments, that's what the ptu is used for.
Guess I'll just stick with my Raft. Loading it is dead simple click'n paste since 3.24. But no guns/ no speed and no cargo cover lmao.
what a nightmare ill be sticking to my maxx
Lo peor de esta nave es: La puerta es un asco y encima su brazo tractor no ayuda con cajas de 24, porque no puedes acercar la carga lo suficiente como para meterla por la minipuerta. Muy bonita....pero como nave de carga le doy un 6/10
Super tight Jenga loading mini game
The fanboys are going to be defensive lol
Thx for the headsup
Bro not every damn ship NEEDS to fit your nursa damn😂 but it is a tight cargo for a dedicated medium cargo compared to c1 imo
I can’t believe CIG
This is just like IRL cargo management, I have no complaints except that they payout will need to reflect the time you put in.
Beautiful ship for sure. But Ill keep my C1 & C2.
Yeah, no thanks. I'm sticking to the C1
Can't you autoload?
Planned obsolescence
The Dorito Tax. Yes, the Zeus has a tight cargo space.
Try to think ahead, you will get better Atmospheric performance when we get control surfaces.
at this rate we wont see control surfaces till 2028
@@kaizer2k2 yes
Cargo game is for people who enjoy... cargo stuff. Filling up the cargo bay is part of the thing. They have to improve the snapping mechanics a little, though.
Makes me not want to buy this… I’ll stick with my c1 and leave cargo off the grid.
Another video complaining about space ships, yet to me the ship works fine. Complain less fly more, if you don't like it don't fly it.
Yeah, God forbid people express their concern, perceived or not, about a product they purchased. We should just shut up and be a good little quiet consumer, right?
The world doesn't start and end with you. People have different experiences and are free to share them. Don't like it, don't watch the video, mouthbreather.
But the zues is awesome! Oh wait.
I see that cargo hauling is turning into a shit show.
It's smaller than the C1 and holds twice the cargo. Perhaps, instead of broadcasting how awful it is, simply recognize that it's pro's far outweigh its cons. A bit of majoring in minors on this vid.
just don't use so many big boxes and it will be fine
Hate to be this guy but it seems like you just really bad at loading stuff
😅
Yeahhhh, he needs to play more tetris. There were easier ways to do this.
Yes it is a terrible ship.
Were CIG fucked up is the entrance by making it to narrow! If it was wide as the cargo space, you would not have any issues! I was hoping it would fit an Ursa, but again the entrance is to narrow! The usual design flaws by CIG! or they just dont want the ship to be easily mannaged.....as we all know CIG love time sinks, bugs and bad designs, as they priority is eye candy fluff for marketing purposes!!
I now kind of regret pledging to the Zeus CL! should have saved my cash instead!
ThanX for giving it a go TCG! good learnings from this!