Sir, in this system, the toughness of exam in 2 shifts should be comparable, otherwise it is not giving justice to students, Lets imagine a case, here shift 1 was comparatively easier & shift 2 was tougher, 2 moderately prepared students, the level of preparedness is almost same, followed same coaching class etc, one attended in morning shift & one in evening, the morning shifts student who is moderately prepared can easily score a higher score than poorly prepared candidate in their shift, while in evening shift, since it was more tougher, it will be tougher for the moderately prepared student, making it difficult to score a significantly higher marks than poorly prepared students in their shift, affecting their percentiles & affecting their rank, then how can it do justice
How can this be fair???as i saw another vedio,, which shows shift 2 is 8% tougher than shift 1( around 16-17 mcqs),,, 500marks in shift 2 equals to 564 in shift 1????? If not its unfair ,,if its like this then also unfair for shift 1 19 subjects not equally distributed btw the shifts Shift 1 radio-10 Shift 2 radio - 17-20
Both shifts had equall number of students. Your percentile will be calculated on the basis of particular shift. Since second shift paper was tough. A candidate scoring 570 marks in second shift and 590 marks in first shift will have equal percentile. Hence close rank
Role of difficulty is that , the difficult paper students will have higher percentile at a lower score. That is , percentile of 80% is score of 500 in one paper, and same percentile in other shift has either 460-470. They will acquire the same rank more or less. So yes it does matter. Tougher paper has different spread of marks in different areas of bunching. Bunching is more on top in tough paper and more in middle in easy paper. So that will either push ranks down or up in normalised list.
@@vishverma30 it is based on ranks not marks , 1 st shift seperate mark , like wise second shift So 2 seperate rank list , and they will merge it accordingly Exam difficulty has no effect on rank
This system will create problems in state medical counselling. In UP there is a addition of 10-30% of 'marks' based of years of sevice in a PHC. Because of this, I think now there will be petition and further delay in the whole process.
Everything is subjective...no objective criteria...both sessions have different questions paper...a question may be genuinely difficult or a student is who has studied less will feel normal or simple question as tough...no transparency..even we dont get downloaded paper of neet pg..its based on memory... most of exams have thier question downloaded on their website or get to take away question paper... Its is possible to conduct approx 2 lakh neet pg aspirants in single shift exam... If easier ways are available to give marks why to opt for such complexs ways.....in which no one can understand ( no definite objective criteria) Exams marks and ranks are deliberately made to calculate in complex ways...to have space for corruption,money etc etc... Both sessions of students will say evining was difficult and morning was same and vice versa...to gain the benefit percentiles and normalisation. Question is if there is easier way to give marks and rank by conducting exam in one session why to choose such a complex way of normalisation..???!!!!
Thnx sir This time almost all the questions were from your rapid revision baaring 1or 2 To get such high strike rate from only 8 and half hours is truly commendable❤
The rules of tie breaking are NOT mentioned. Nbe just said it will be done as per aiims guidelines & aiims guidelines say : The priority of tie breaking will be in order of Percentile-Subjectwise-Age. & their guidelines also say that if Subjectwise is not already mentioned in the information prospectus, then simply Percentile-AGE. So neetpg24 ranks will be based on age ,if percentiles are equal, since nbe didnt mention any specific subjectwise distribution prior.
But we are expecting that when you take such a large sample of 1 lakh its a homogeneous population so no chances of so much difference in students quality
Can't they conduct exam for 2 lacs students in one shift. Why this complex system which lacks tranparency. Lack of governence and control is putting unnecessary pressure on the students and their parents. When its computer based online exam it should have been conducted in one shift.
Easy paper people have upper hand to advantage!! BCoz in case of same percentile 1st tie break criteria is NO. OF HOW MANY RIGHT QUE.......... absolutely the easy paper guy would have higher right no.
As far as I know, percentile means the percentage of people below you and it does not include you. So 100th percentile should not be possible. I may be wrong, please correct if it is so
@@DrGobindRaiGargIt doesn't work like that sir. Let us assume if 100 people take the exam and 20 of them scored the top marks then the percentile of all the toppers become just 80 percentile if persons with the same marks is not considered..
Mereko to samjh hi nh aa rha and i tried to watch so many videos to understand but i cant keep that patience to watch and understand this normalisation
@@purnimasharma907 suppose you got 500 marks and have 3 Yr of medical officer in state govt Than your total marks will be 500+ 30% of 500= 650 marks (these marks are conisider for counselling of state quota seats) 1yr mo job 10% 2yr mo job 20% 3yr or more than 3yr mo job maximum 30%
Rajsthan also have same issue....do court case..it was given bcz no Dr in villages Like in raj now enough medical officer so that they can serve in villages
Those shift of students in which more number of students have appeared will get less percentile and eventually less ranks for same marks of other shift....🤦🏾♂️👌🏾
if all the better students presumed are in 1 shift and the relatively low scorer not bcoz of question difficulty in the other , definitely the low scorers wl b in advantage…but it is highly unlikely
Nhi thay sir Chaiye marrow ho PrepLadder ho ya cerebellum 2nd paper Mai hardly 10 to 20 questions aaye thay aap logo k notes b pyqs Mai se …ab aap joot k questions banaaoge apne paiso k liye that’s not fair sir
8:05 crux of the video . Thank you sir .🎉🎉
Thanks bhai
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Sir, you lied. There's no justice done for 2nd shift.
Sir, in this system, the toughness of exam in 2 shifts should be comparable, otherwise it is not giving justice to students, Lets imagine a case, here shift 1 was comparatively easier & shift 2 was tougher, 2 moderately prepared students, the level of preparedness is almost same, followed same coaching class etc, one attended in morning shift & one in evening, the morning shifts student who is moderately prepared can easily score a higher score than poorly prepared candidate in their shift, while in evening shift, since it was more tougher, it will be tougher for the moderately prepared student, making it difficult to score a significantly higher marks than poorly prepared students in their shift, affecting their percentiles & affecting their rank, then how can it do justice
How can this be fair???as i saw another vedio,, which shows shift 2 is 8% tougher than shift 1( around 16-17 mcqs),,,
500marks in shift 2 equals to 564 in shift 1????? If not its unfair ,,if its like this then also unfair for shift 1
19 subjects not equally distributed btw the shifts
Shift 1 radio-10
Shift 2 radio - 17-20
Still don't understand the point of conducting exam in shifts. Doesn't seem very transparent.
It was never transparent tbh
These madarboard want to do scam
Exm mbbs level ka nhi tha Superspeslist ka tha
Then sir, the toughness of paper doesn't matter but which shift has more students appeared will matter 😢.
That too does not matter much. Hardly 1-2 ranks in total
@@DrGobindRaiGargOkay thank you sir
Both shifts had equall number of students. Your percentile will be calculated on the basis of particular shift. Since second shift paper was tough. A candidate scoring 570 marks in second shift and 590 marks in first shift will have equal percentile. Hence close rank
@@ashishnayak6823what was your shift?
Role of difficulty is that , the difficult paper students will have higher percentile at a lower score.
That is , percentile of 80% is score of 500 in one paper, and same percentile in other shift has either 460-470. They will acquire the same rank more or less. So yes it does matter.
Tougher paper has different spread of marks in different areas of bunching. Bunching is more on top in tough paper and more in middle in easy paper. So that will either push ranks down or up in normalised list.
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@@DrGobindRaiGarg sir literally I flipped ur notes during the last day and this mnemonic just striked in my exam hall
There are many such saviours❤❤
Toughness of exam doesn’t matter then? Evening people are competing with evening ppl only and morning ppl with morning only. Is it?
Obviously
Yeah that's hw
then how will it remove bias if morning people are scoring more than evening ones
@@vishverma30 it is based on ranks not marks ,
1 st shift seperate mark , like wise second shift
So 2 seperate rank list , and they will merge it accordingly
Exam difficulty has no effect on rank
This system will create problems in state medical counselling. In UP there is a addition of 10-30% of 'marks' based of years of sevice in a PHC. Because of this, I think now there will be petition and further delay in the whole process.
But this should not be the criteria rather marks normalisation calculated by proper formula.
Everything is subjective...no objective criteria...both sessions have different questions paper...a question may be genuinely difficult or a student is who has studied less will feel normal or simple question as tough...no transparency..even we dont get downloaded paper of neet pg..its based on memory... most of exams have thier question downloaded on their website or get to take away question paper...
Its is possible to conduct approx 2 lakh neet pg aspirants in single shift exam...
If easier ways are available to give marks why to opt for such complexs ways.....in which no one can understand ( no definite objective criteria)
Exams marks and ranks are deliberately made to calculate in complex ways...to have space for corruption,money etc etc...
Both sessions of students will say evining was difficult and morning was same and vice versa...to gain the benefit percentiles and normalisation.
Question is if there is easier way to give marks and rank by conducting exam in one session why to choose such a complex way of normalisation..???!!!!
So basically age is a higher priority than mbbs marks 😭 seniority
MBBS marks are also not uniform , some universities give marks very leniently and some don't at all, so even that is not entirely fair.
@@someshjain1178 my college won't dare even to pass us. Practical marks we get 40% only in opd govt state college
Girls will always get more marks than boys..
Good handwriting will get more marks..
And the most important
Jyada chato teachers ka@@someshjain1178
50% marks was given to me even though I answered all the questions asked in viva@@sengotayya
So mbbs marks hardly makes any sense
@@coremanishmehta it makes students a non rectifiable defect everytime this exam happens
Thnx sir
This time almost all the questions were from your rapid revision baaring 1or 2
To get such high strike rate from only 8 and half hours is truly commendable❤
Score??
The rules of tie breaking are NOT mentioned.
Nbe just said it will be done as per aiims guidelines & aiims guidelines say : The priority of tie breaking will be in order of Percentile-Subjectwise-Age.
& their guidelines also say that if Subjectwise is not already mentioned in the information prospectus, then simply Percentile-AGE.
So neetpg24 ranks will be based on age ,if percentiles are equal, since nbe didnt mention any specific subjectwise distribution prior.
Mene kuch alag bola hai kya?
@@DrGobindRaiGarg 😂😂
So basically we are screwed either way🥲
The end is wrong because 1st rank will have 100 percentile in both shift 7:40
How they will adjust for difficulty level
Lets suppose shift 1 has 20 % of students who study well and shift 2 has 15% then how can be normalisation be based on percentile sir??
No system can be fool proof
But we are expecting that when you take such a large sample of 1 lakh its a homogeneous population so no chances of so much difference in students quality
Sir they basically follow JEE MAIN exam Normalization rule??
All depends on on rank one person
How will they give marks for everyone. If lower marks but higher percentile then he'll have a better rank than the other person having higher marks.
Can't they conduct exam for 2 lacs students in one shift. Why this complex system which lacks tranparency. Lack of governence and control is putting unnecessary pressure on the students and their parents. When its computer based online exam it should have been conducted in one shift.
In our time we had neet pg on multiple sessions morning and afternoon shifts. Item Response Theory was then applied to arrive at ranks.
Suppose 100 seats are present, 50 seats allotment to morning shift, 50 seats allotment to evening shift
Not exactly. But sort of
Easy paper people have upper hand to advantage!!
BCoz in case of same percentile 1st tie break criteria is NO. OF HOW MANY RIGHT QUE.......... absolutely the easy paper guy would have higher right no.
1st rankers of each shift ..will definitely hav to b 100 percentile sir ..not less than 100
As far as I know, percentile means the percentage of people below you and it does not include you. So 100th percentile should not be possible. I may be wrong, please correct if it is so
@@DrGobindRaiGargIt doesn't work like that sir. Let us assume if 100 people take the exam and 20 of them scored the top marks then the percentile of all the toppers become just 80 percentile if persons with the same marks is not considered..
@manojkumarburra280 logic hai
@manojkumarburra280 so the topper is 100 percentile. Rest are relative to that
@manojkumarburra280 But finally the ranking will be like that only
Mereko to samjh hi nh aa rha and i tried to watch so many videos to understand but i cant keep that patience to watch and understand this normalisation
How mark distribution will be done for in-service students
Like 10%,20%30%
Bhai mere in service students k lie kabse marks distribution different hone laga jo tera score hoga uspr percentage rule lag jaega
Sir state counselling m in-service candidate hote h 10%20%30% milte h ....On the basis of SCORE ...Its problem
Didn't understand the concern
What's problem in that ?@@Dr.Subhodip_Dewan
Sidha hi unke 40 50 no. Add hokar rank state me bahut upar aa jata hai GDO ka
@@purnimasharma907 suppose you got 500 marks and have 3 Yr of medical officer in state govt
Than your total marks will be 500+ 30% of 500= 650 marks (these marks are conisider for counselling of state quota seats)
1yr mo job 10%
2yr mo job 20%
3yr or more than 3yr mo job maximum 30%
Rajsthan also have same issue....do court case..it was given bcz no Dr in villages
Like in raj now enough medical officer so that they can serve in villages
Its seems like shift rank twice is overall rank ?
Almost
Sir, how much is expected rank for 625 marks in shift 1 ?
Sir what about the concept of normalised score and raw score ?
❤ thank you
Thanku sir
Aur sir kisi ek paper me saare top ranker wale jyda hogye to .....kuki unko thode pta konsa student kitna prepare hai .....
Thank you sir
Those shift of students in which more number of students have appeared will get less percentile and eventually less ranks for same marks of other shift....🤦🏾♂️👌🏾
Sir Maine normalised result dekhe h kuch Google pe waha pe raw score 200 hai normalised hone ke baad 244 ho gya… is Mai number bhi badege ?
Raw scores will be modified according to ranks
Sir 20 percentile
v well explained gg sir
Can I change my dob in birth certificate?
Sir what if……shift 1 has more no of better students ( let’s just assume)….yeh disadvantage nhi hua unke saath….??
Yes. But no system can pick every thing. The basic assumption is not 100 percent correct
@@DrGobindRaiGarg ji sir
if all the better students presumed are in 1 shift and the relatively low scorer not bcoz of question difficulty in the other , definitely the low scorers wl b in advantage…but it is highly unlikely
@@akbararif4366 I never said all...even 5-10 % will create a huge difference
Bhai yaha pharmac samajh nahi aa raha aur ab ye kya padha rahe hai
2nd shift mein kiska kitna crct hua bolo yaha counseling shuru kardenge mera toh 120 right 73 wrong hogaya
Mera 43 wrong,21 left ab khuda jaane
@@Vhfbhhgg4466 surgery anesthesia wagera mil jayega sayad
Mere 118 sahi 80 galat😢
@@shaleenshrivastava834rank?
@@Vhfbhhgg4466rank?
sir what if all the low scorers in one shift🤣
Sir beer pee sakte h kya exam bad 😉
Sir aap to CAT ko coaching bhi krwa sakte ho
Itni asani se samjha diya 🤣🤣
540me kya rank aa sakta hai. 2nd shift
10k
4000- 5000
@@docflightsimmer5231 3200-4000
5k to 6k
bahot sahi samjhaya sir. agar ye process aisa hi hai to mujhe nahi lagta koi problem hai
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Do not keep on wasting time on this things🤣👍
Bullcrap😂😂😂😂 sab galat btaya h😅😅
So more people in shift will benifit
That will be negligible. May be 1-2 rank upper than corresponding people in other shift
english sir ….
Its an unfair xm!!
Life is unfair.
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@@DrGobindRaiGarg 😂😂😂u r great sir
Sir rapid rivison ka koi mtlb nhi or na pyq, very hard exm
Ispe bhi video aa rha hai. PYQ were, are and always will be important
Nhi thay sir Chaiye marrow ho PrepLadder ho ya cerebellum 2nd paper Mai hardly 10 to 20 questions aaye thay aap logo k notes b pyqs Mai se …ab aap joot k questions banaaoge apne paiso k liye that’s not fair sir
@@Drmorphine11111paparr itna bhi difficult nahi tha padho accha tara se 😢
Isi bhram me jeena chahte ho to your wish. We can show and mark in the videos and notes from where which q were asked, but no point to prove to anyone
@@MBBSSubjects jinna bola tha utna aache se pada tha , or zada kuch bola hi nhi tha
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Not fair just fucking board
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Hope paper2 topper willl get more score😂
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In paper 1 will be more competition then
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To mat dekho
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390 marks in paper 2😢 according to recalls
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