MPC 3.0 Drama: Are Desktop Producers Left in the Dust?
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The release of MPC 3.0 has caused a huge stir in the music producer community, dividing users into two camps: standalone enthusiasts and desktop power users. While standalone users are already enjoying the latest updates and features, desktop producers are still stuck using MPC 2.15.1, left wondering why they’ve been left out of the conversation.
This video dives deep into the controversy:
Why Akai released MPC 3.0 exclusively for standalone hardware first.
The growing frustration of desktop users who feel overlooked.
How Akai’s focus on standalone workflows has created a divide in the MPC community.
The reasons behind the delay for Mac and PC users and what this could mean for the future of the platform.
What desktop users hope to see from MPC 3.0 to rival DAWs like Ableton, Logic, and FL Studio.
Is this a smart business move by Akai to prioritize standalone systems, or is it a risky strategy that could alienate a loyal segment of their user base? Desktop producers are asking tough questions, especially as they watch standalone users bask in the MPC 3.0 experience.
Join the conversation as we break down Akai’s possible reasons for the delay, the impact on desktop workflows, and whether MPC 3.0 could be the game-changer we’ve been waiting for-or just another letdown.
What’s your take on this? Are desktop producers being left behind, or is Akai preparing something worth the wait? Drop your thoughts in the comments below!
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Imagine how standalone producers felt from 1998 to 2020 my guy
You guys were getting ALL the products, upgrades, tech, etc
We were stuck with our 2000XL's, SP404s, and multi tracks and didn't complain once!!
The reason production went into computers anyway was that the music was moving faster than the technology. The machines didn't have the capabilities to fully flush out the ideas some producers had then and needed more tracks. effects, and functionalities.
Today these machines have high processing chips that work as fast, if not, faster than an iPad and all the current tech.
Its literally just another computer minus the distractions!
Peace
You make a solid point! Standalone producers held it down for decades with limited tools, pushing boundaries and setting trends without the luxury of constant updates or the tech boom that came with computer-based production. That resilience and creativity built the foundation we all benefit from today.
It’s true-modern standalone gear has come a long way, and the tech inside these machines is impressive. But I think the divide now comes down to workflow preferences. Some of us are wired to thrive with the visual, expansive canvas that DAWs provide, while others love the tactile focus and portability of standalone. At the end of the day, both approaches are valid-it’s about what keeps the creativity flowing.
Peace to you as well!
And don’t forget without the OS aggravation.
+1 on @NINJAMARGIELA comment. Cry me a river. The PC guys talked down to all the stand-alone guys for years. Now all the sudden, when the shoe is on the other foot, they're cryin' the blues. Is this dude Blues Producer?
@ haha what I do agree on is this - we all love to make music and we are unified by it. I think the PC producers are missing out on life when only producing on a computer. To me it’s like playing ball on 2k and playing ball in real life. I started making beats when I was 15 with FL and Logic and I said to myself “‘this isn’t giving me the feel I hear in my head” so I figured I had to put my body and rhythm into it and that’s why I opted for hardware at that age.
At the same time I do enjoy arranging, mixing, and mastering on a DAW because it’s about the listening experience now… and that’s when the deed does the duty justice because I didn’t grow up listening to music through my machines / hardware.. if that makes sense!
Laughed hard at the “‘blues producer” sentiment we all get the blues brother
Peace!!
MPC Renaissaince was released only in 2012. they were a bunch of MPC from 1998 to 2012!
I produced on a PC for about 20 years using propellerhead reason... i always wanted an MPC and purchased a live 2.. never going back to PC production... standalone is where it is...
After 20 years of PC production, making the switch to standalone with the MPC Live 2 must have been a big but rewarding change. The freedom and creativity that come with standalone production are hard to beat, especially once you get used to that tactile hardware workflow. It’s tough to go back to the limitations of working entirely on a PC. Standalone really lets you dive deep into the creative process without the distractions or technical issues that often come with software-based setups. I can totally relate, especially after using Reason since version 4. I left due to their lack of innovation and capabilities-it always felt like they were behind the curve. Even with their latest update, it still feels like Reason hasn’t fully caught up, which is why I made the switch to something more dynamic like the MPC.
@@WeCreateMusicTV most definitely!!
@@WeCreateMusicTV Yeah the technical issues is what bugs me about desktop production. I literally couldn't get the MPC Mini to connect in Studio One last night. I was trying to show off my little bit of piano i learned to my girl. lol But desktop has the advantage that you already have a PC, and hardware for standalone is no joke money.
I’m a desktop producer and I use MPC software and Maschine with Reason. They don’t have to come out with anymore updates at all. I’m able to do everything I need to do with what I have. I also use NI Komplete, Kontakt and NI expansions and Akai expansions , tons of VST plug ins and I don’t have any major issues.
I think we are just greedy and will always want more. Albums have been done and are still being done and people should stop wining and appreciate what we have. The MPC is more powerful than it’s ever been and people will still complain.
I’d rather just make music than complain. Unless your being held back due to some technical issue I t programming issue… why aren’t we satisfied with what we have?
Just my personal thoughts. I literally could care less about an update.
Exactly
You make a fair point, and I respect your perspective. It’s true-what we have today is incredibly powerful compared to what producers had years ago. You’re absolutely right that amazing albums have been created with much less, and a lot of what we complain about now might stem from always wanting the next best thing instead of fully appreciating what’s already at our disposal.
That said, I think some people’s frustrations come from wanting their gear to keep evolving alongside their creative process. While some producers can maximize what they have without ever needing updates, others might feel like there are gaps or inefficiencies that hold them back, especially when they've invested in a system they hoped would grow with them. It’s less about greed and more about wanting tools that align with modern workflows, especially in a competitive and constantly changing industry. At the end of the day, your point about focusing on making music rather than waiting for updates is valid-after all, the art itself is what really matters. If your current setup gets the job done for you, then that’s all that matters!
That workflow is from the 90s…3.0 is the first version that actually introduces a daw like feel to the workflow which would save me a lot of time…i went from 2000xl and triton to logic in 08…logic sped up my work flow tremendously and took me from a beatmaker to a producer…I got the live 2 in 2020 and had to get use to that old workflow using the live with the software….i mix in logic…so that software update would save time cuz using song mode is time consuming
Well said... You all was just fine till standalone got an exclusive update. Now you want to cry because the software didn't get it. Whining like a lil privileged stepchild being leftout. As if (like my man said).. this update made the software version not work in some way.
@@TopChoice617the mpc software is amazing. Im tired of these companies catering to hobbyist producers who transitioned from other workflow sequencers. If you're a maschine user and like that workflow then use the maschine. Don't cry about gear that doesn't do what you want etc. Just make beats. These new producers are more so gear focused instead of production focused. Like i said hobbyist being taken too seriously by Akai. 😂😂😂
The people that are complaining about 3.0 only being in standalone, AKAI is a hardware manufacturer that made complementary software. There are PLENTY of DAWs that you can use (and are better than the AKAI DAW). Since MPCs are samplers you can use ANY sample that you have access to (or create your own on the fly). If you want to start on the standalone and continue on the DAW there are many options to do so (if you're a power user then I'm sure you have a USB C mixer with USB audio capabilities).
While it's true that Akai is primarily a hardware manufacturer, and MPCs are samplers that allow users to create and manipulate samples, the frustration stems from wanting a smoother, more integrated workflow between standalone and desktop versions. Many users appreciate the hands-on approach of the standalone MPC, but when it comes to deep editing, plugin use, and larger projects, they still rely on a DAW for those advanced features. While there are plenty of DAWs available, the hope is that Akai can improve the MPC desktop software to better complement the standalone experience, without requiring a separate device or workflow to bridge the two. The goal isn’t to replace DAWs, but to make the MPC a more powerful, integrated tool for hybrid users, offering flexibility in how they work.
It shouldn't be a standalone vs computer DAW argument/debate. Akai is more than capable of simultaneously developing and releasing MPC software updates for both the standalone machines and the computer software, but of course, since Akai wants to sell more hardware that's where its focus is.
@@dugnice The real issue seems to be the focus on selling hardware, which makes sense from a business standpoint, but it leaves desktop users waiting for improvements. Ideally, Akai should balance both sides so that standalone users can get the benefits of their hardware, while desktop users still get the updates and features they need for a smooth hybrid workflow. Both should coexist without feeling neglected.
You can't make beats on a computer for well over ten years,but if you get a mpc or something else you can make beats forever and never fall
That’s an interesting take, but it really depends on the person and their workflow. Computers are constantly evolving, and while tech changes, software like DAWs and plugins often adapt and improve over time. On the other hand, hardware like an MPC gives you that tactile, standalone experience, which some people find more inspiring and timeless. At the end of the day, it’s about what helps you stay creative-some thrive on a computer, others with hardware, and some use both. It’s all about balance!
@WeCreateMusicTV the proof is there nobody has a computer from 2003 that they still make beats on in 2025 but the first mpc is still running right now
@@WeCreateMusicTV see when you really stick to the subject matter it's more of a longevity and durability aspect not workflow most hardware devices are built like tanks and you will never lose a single sample or song because all you have to do is take the SD card out and reset the unit
@ I hear you, but that’s not a fair comparison. Computers evolve because software and technology advance, offering more power, flexibility, and better workflows. Yeah, an old MPC can still function, but it’s not giving you the same capabilities as modern production tools. If that logic held up, we’d all still be using the first MPC instead of demanding new features and updates. The fact that people want an improved desktop MPC experience proves that software and integration do matter in today’s production world. Adaptation is key!
@ I get what you’re saying about durability and longevity-hardware like the MPC is definitely built to last, and it’s true that you won’t lose your work as long as you have an SD card or backup. But workflow is just as important to many producers. Modern setups, especially those involving computers, offer more flexibility, advanced editing tools, and access to countless plugins that hardware can’t always replicate.
Hardware durability is great, but what happens when the mainboard goes out in one of those MPCs, and the equipment is outdated and can’t be repaired? At that point, you're stuck with a brick, whereas software-based workflows can still evolve and be transferred to new systems. That’s why integration between hardware and software matters-it gives you the best of both worlds: the reliability of standalone gear and the versatility of modern workflows.
Finally, someone is talking about this!!!
Absolutely! The lack of communication around the MPC 3.0 software, particularly about the desktop version, is frustrating. It feels like Akai has left a huge portion of their user base hanging, especially those who rely on a seamless hybrid workflow. I hope this video hits on a few topics you’re talking about. If not, let me know your thoughts-I’d love to hear your perspective and keep the conversation going!
I love my mpc key37 but it definitely has its limitations...the processor and ram just camt compete with the modern laptop..16 core pc 32 gb ram....the power is in the computers and daw..wish standalone allowed vst3 also
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I love my MPC Key 37 too! It’s such a great tool that combines the best of both worlds-the classic MPC workflow and the flexibility of having keys built right in. That said, its limitations are definitely noticeable compared to a modern laptop. The processor and RAM just can’t keep up with something like a 16-core PC with 32GB of RAM. The real power lies in computers and DAWs. I just wish standalone systems like this would allow VST3 support-it would open up a whole new level of possibilities.
I love my standalone MPC One Plus very much. I don't care if PC software upgrades or not .
In fact I am practically done with PC production because of this.
@@WeCreateMusicTV MY GUY ITS A MIDI CONTROLLER CONNECT TO DESKTOP AND USE YOUR DAW WITH IT SMH WTF😮
I use my MPC equally standalone and desktop and of course I look forwards to 3 desktop.
However I mostly use desktop to sample/make keygroups from my VST's.
TBH If they enabled audio over USB into my DAW I could probably do without the desktop version altogether.
I think we will have it soon enough.
That’s a solid perspective-you’re already getting a lot of use out of both standalone and desktop modes, and it sounds like the desktop version is mainly for sampling and creating keygroups from your VSTs. If audio over USB were implemented, it could free you up from needing the desktop version entirely, which would be huge. I think you're right-Akai is likely aware of the demand for desktop integration, and it could come sooner than we expect. Let’s hope they deliver it soon so that your workflow can be even more streamlined!
You are not the only one. I’m right there with you!
Same here! It’s always reassuring to know others feel the same way. We’re all in this together, just waiting and hoping for the right updates and improvements. Let’s see what the future holds!
@ I agree. I’m definitely a control mode advocate.
@@GhettoStyles Aye me too! Plus I live using other tools that I have. I mean I can definitely use them in Logic, main DAW of choice but it would still be great to have this as an option.
@ I’m definitely the same way. I use Cubase for my song production but I like making beats with my MPC in controller mode with too many plugins to count.
This is like a person with a large home with square footage complaining about how they don’t have access to your studio apartment
I get the analogy, but it’s not really about space-it’s about workflow. If someone has built their process around using both standalone and desktop seamlessly, then suddenly losing access to one side of it feels more like a missing door in that big house rather than just not having a smaller space.
Sure, standalone users still have a powerful setup, but for those who rely on the hybrid workflow, the issue isn’t just about access-it’s about maintaining efficiency. It’s not about wanting something smaller or less capable; it’s about making sure the whole system works together without unnecessary limitations.
@ your way of producing as long as computer is stable and programs running efficiently, you have basically no limitations in your production. My man you sound like you cappin with the complaint
@@jermaineblalock5553 Not cappin at all my guy!
Akai just trying to make people run out and buy the Units!
It definitely feels that way sometimes-Akai seems to be pushing their hardware a lot, especially with the focus on standalone units and the delay in updating desktop software. From a business standpoint, getting people to buy their MPC hardware makes sense, but it can be frustrating for those of us who rely on a hybrid setup or prefer working in desktop mode. Ideally, they would give equal attention to both the hardware and the software, so users don’t feel like they’re being pushed into one direction. The hope is that they’ll find a balance that keeps everyone happy and not just focused on selling hardware.
@@WeCreateMusicTV Yea, that's the only part that I don't like. I just want them to make it make sense! One thing is for sure, when the 3.0 Drops for desktop it will have a price tag on it!
Akai has ALWAYS been STANDALONE there a 100 daws and ONLY 1 MPC
It’s true that Akai started off as a standalone unit, and the MPC has always been about that hands-on, hardware-driven approach. But it’s also important to recognize that Akai has evolved as technology has advanced, which has led to a shift in their perspective on standalone vs. desktop use. Just because a company starts off in one direction doesn’t mean they’ll stay there forever. As the market and production needs have changed, Akai has adapted, allowing for more flexibility between standalone and desktop workflows. It's not about abandoning the standalone model, but expanding it to meet the needs of users who want both standalone power and desktop integration.
Not true. The reason we have an MPC computer DAW is because of the commercial failure of the MPC 5000 and Akai noticing that a lot of producers were moving to computer based situations because it's cheaper. That's why we got the MPC software and controllers in 2012.
At that point standalone was done and that was the route Akai REALLY wanted to go, but then a lot of the old school producers used to the standalone MPC workflow complained and demanded another standalone machine. Akai obliged and offered the MPC Live in 2017.
@@dugnice You make a great point-Akai’s transition to a computer-based MPC was a response to the commercial failure of the MPC 5000 and the shift of many producers moving towards computer-based production for its cost-effectiveness. The release of the MPC software and controllers in 2012 was definitely a pivot, and it seemed like Akai was heading fully into the DAW space. However, the demand from old-school producers who loved the standalone MPC workflow was too strong to ignore, which led to the introduction of the MPC Live in 2017. This shift back to standalone hardware shows Akai's flexibility in responding to market demands, but it also highlights the balancing act between hardware and software that they’ve had to navigate.
Not true, you arent locked into Akai's system, anymore than you are on the MPC software on the desktop. You can export stems on the hardware and put it right into your DAW of choice. What you are describing is no different than being locked into MPC desktop software. Create a project there and... what? You can suddenly use third party plugins? The same thing is available on the standalone projects.
Frustratingly, no one is talking about the Akai Force not getting updates. I have a Live 1 & 2, Force, and Keys 61, and I use them all together for large projects and live performances...
I see your point, but the difference is that MPC standalone gives you the flexibility to export stems and then integrate with any DAW of your choice without being tied down to software. When using MPC desktop, you still have to work within the confines of the MPC software, which can be restrictive when it comes to third-party plugin integration, even with the desktop version. The ability to seamlessly work in both standalone and desktop, without feeling like you're locked into either system, is what many of us are looking for. I agree, though, that the Akai Force not getting updates is a major frustration-especially when it’s part of the same ecosystem and could be benefiting from updates to keep up with the rest of the gear.
@@WeCreateMusicTV Akai does things in cycles. I have no doubt that the desktop software is next on the agenda. This 3.0 software in standalone was and is a big deal. While everyone is talking about the arranger view, yes, this was a big deal, the official 3.0 (not the beta) gives us sound shaping options that were sorely needed for keygroups. The under the hood changes to how 3.0 handles loading samples was desperately needed. We needed better memory management that was smarter. The ridiculous track and program separation was always wonky and just made things more complicated and confusing. With the changes made to how things load and the optimizations made there, the platform has not only been modernized, it has simplified the hardware for people who are just getting started.
I watched probably dozens of videos on the MPC. I could never get anyone to explain the difference between a program and a track. I spent weeks after the beta 3.0 firmware trying to explain that the beta 3.0 firmware only has three drawbacks, none of which anyone is talking about (MSB / LSB still broken, no time signature support, and no backward support for 2.15.1 projects). Very few are even talking about these issues, instead, many are making up problems with 3.0 because they do not understand the synergy between the improvements in how samples are loaded and the combination of tracks and programs. In essence, there is zero reason to have tracks and programs separated now.
The desktop software is going to require a complete rewrite. It needs an arranger view. It needs to have programs and tracks combined. The UI needs an overhaul. It is challenging in the desktop software to figure out where to go next, to move to the next step of the creation process.
The big thing that the MPC standalone software has done that no one seems to understand is, Akai is pushing to get people to write full tracks now. We arent talking about writing 4-10 instruments all playing different stuff together and merely muting certain instruments and calling it a day. Anyone can write a bass line, a drum line, a chord structure, a pluck structure, and a melody in a four bar loop and mute different instruments for each segment. Where real music writing happens is when each sequence is wholly separate and unique, not just muted instruments. The desktop software needs the same treatement. It needs to be a full DAW, not a beat maker, and I guarantee, Akai will fix it. It needs to compete with Reaper, if they are going to sell it for more than the price of Reaper.
@@joshuagardner894 You make a lot of great points about the 3.0 standalone improvements. The changes to sound shaping, memory management, and how samples load were crucial and long overdue. The way tracks and programs were separated was always a bit confusing, so it’s great that 3.0 has streamlined that for users. You could be right that Akai is pushing for a more complete track-writing experience. The desktop version definitely needs a complete overhaul to align with these changes and provide the full DAW experience, including an arranger view and better integration of programs and tracks. If Akai truly wants to compete with the likes of Reaper, Ableton, or Logic Pro X, they’ll need to step it up with a more robust, intuitive desktop offering. It’s a huge opportunity for them, and I’m sure they’ll get it right in time!
I'm a desktop /laptop producer. I don't feel away about it... I say to each his own, and whatever works best for you. I've had plenty of hardware through the years ....mpc 2500, triton, Yamaha motif, etc...im good with my current workflow,, and don't have room for all the machines.I used to have back in the day lol.... I think those who prefer or have the need for more of a streamlined situation Will not feel a way... Just make dope music whatever is in your tool box
That’s a solid mindset-at the end of the day, it’s all about what works best for your workflow. Whether it’s hardware, software, or a mix of both, the goal is always the same: making dope music. Not everyone needs standalone gear, just like not everyone wants to be fully locked into a DAW. You’ve been through the full spectrum of production setups, from classic hardware like the MPC 2500 and Motif to a more streamlined desktop workflow, so you know firsthand that it’s all about adapting to what works for you. For those who love standalone, it’s great that Akai is pushing updates. For those who rely on desktop, the wait for 3.0 is frustrating. But at the end of the day, tools are just tools-it’s how you use them that really matters. Keep creating!
Ok both and there’s so much you can do old the old software
Akai is really not a DAW/desktop company. Their samplers are iconic standalone instruments. I know people say the older ones were better, but the device lineage has persisted all the way to the new MPCs. I personally would like them to get back to this and maybe just go back to giving us a competent editor that works in a hybrid mode rather than a full on DAW like they have now. That said…MPC 2.0 software is a modern classic at this point so if history taught me anything it’s to lock it down and never get rid of the computer I’m running it on. PS, I wish they would introduce another rack samplers (everything on the MPC X button-wise without the pads). Imagine what they could do with wifi and a progression of the S6000 design.
That’s fair, and I get where you’re coming from. If you’re not using your MPC X SE in standalone mode and already have the Native Instruments library, there’s definitely no need to double-dip. The appeal of buying the library would really be for those who use their MPC standalone or who want everything integrated into one ecosystem. But since you’re already set up, you’re maximizing what you’ve got, which is awesome!
Most Akai hardware users more than likely are sampling or sampling and using external gear linked by MIDI to their Akai hardware.
I believe this to be true because, based on what I've observed, most users primarily focus on sampling. The MPC has built a reputation as a powerful sampling tool, and I rarely see producers using these devices for anything beyond that.
@@WeCreateMusicTVya wrong
@@WeCreateMusicTVyou can craft some serious sounds out of a mpc and its the king of midi
@@XBASS247 I get where you're coming from, but I’d have to respectfully disagree. While the MPC is amazing for crafting unique, hands-on sounds, and it’s definitely solid for MIDI sequencing, the workflow limitations and the lack of deep DAW features in standalone mode can make it tough to compete with modern DAWs in certain areas. When it comes to handling things like advanced editing, automation, and third-party plugin support, it still feels like it has a lot of ground to cover compared to full DAWs. The MPC excels at bringing creativity to life, but it’s not always the best tool for complex song arrangement and in-depth editing.
Dope vid👍🏾I’m anxiously awaiting, too and I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised when they do release 3 desktop.
Appreciate it! 👍🏾 I’m right there with you-excited to see what they bring with the MPC 3 desktop version. If they do it right, it could be a game-changer. Hoping for some solid improvements and a smooth workflow between standalone and desktop. Let’s see what they cook up! 🔥
I got my mpc to get away from a computer not to go back to it, plus a simple usb to midi allows me to use all my vst's routing out my computer into the ins of the mpc with no crazy crashes i hate the software
I completely understand-MPC was built to give that hands-on, standalone experience without the need for a computer. Using USB to MIDI to integrate your VSTs while keeping everything running smoothly in the MPC environment is a great way to stay focused and avoid the crashes that sometimes come with software-heavy workflows. If the software isn’t doing it for you, sticking with the hardware and keeping things simple is a solid choice. Everyone has their preferred setup, and it’s all about what keeps the creativity flowing without technical hiccups.
First 10 minutes in i sub’d and liked cause being a old school nyc hip hop / electronic producer from back in the day (late 80’s / 90’s) you know what you talking about and are getting right to the point -
I started on the E-Mu DRUMULATOR THEN BOUGHT THE MPC-60 (yup still got it right here beside my MPC LIVE 🕺🏻💃🕺🏻💃🕺🏻💃🕺🏻💃🕺🏻💃🕺🏻✅✅✅✅✅👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
That's awesome-starting on the E-Mu Drumulator and then moving to the iconic MPC-60 definitely puts you in the heart of NYC hip hop and electronic production history. The fact that you still have that MPC-60 alongside your MPC Live is really special, and it’s clear you’ve got a deep understanding of the evolution of music production. It's great to see you staying connected to your roots while also embracing the newer gear. Appreciate the support and I’m glad the content resonates with you!
Imagine coming from the MPC Renaissance and you upgraded to the X. You say I mostly like working with the computer, but the extra standalone is what sold me. Then all of a sudden software nah we aint doing that right now. Im triple smacked MSB LSB doesnt work correctly in 3.0 and i have tons of external racks and synths that its real convient to recall my projects on. No desktop software so now my older stuff and how i bridge most of my hardware together has to be rethought and reconfigured. Also yep I have a Force too. I have all the newer MPCs, so obviously ill keep a couple on 2.15...but this is not a smooth experience at all. I'm lucky to some degree I decided to print everything as audio for these exact kind of reasons.
I totally get where you're coming from. Upgrading to the MPC X with the idea that you'd have the flexibility of standalone and desktop integration makes sense, but the lack of a working desktop version for 3.0 really messes with that hybrid workflow, especially when you rely on external racks, synths, and projects you want to recall quickly. It’s frustrating when things don’t work as expected-like the MSB LSB issue-and it forces you to rethink and reconfigure your entire setup. The Force being left behind in terms of updates is another major letdown. Thankfully, you’ve been able to print your work as audio, but it’s clear that this disjointed experience between standalone and desktop isn’t ideal. Akai really needs to find a way to integrate both sides smoothly, so you don’t feel like you're constantly fighting with your setup. It’s understandable to feel like the current experience is a step backward, especially after investing in newer MPCs with expectations that weren’t fully met.
I don't see a problem. The standalone does not have as many features as the DAW. A standalone can't load an orchestral kit with 4 gigs RAM. The DAW saved enough money to purchase converters with a professional +26 db headroom. The only drawback to the DAW is touch capability. It's buggy with dropdown menus. Window and sizing sliders are built for mice. Small fixes.
You make a valid point-standalone and DAWs serve different purposes and have their strengths. Standalone MPCs are fantastic for creative flow, but they obviously don’t have the same processing power or capabilities as a full-fledged DAW. The ability to load massive orchestral kits with 4GB RAM and take advantage of advanced conversion and headroom features is a huge benefit for DAWs, especially for professional-level audio work. The downside with DAWs is often the lack of touch functionality, and those bugs in dropdown menus and window sizing can be annoying. But overall, it’s more about choosing the right tool for the job-standalone is great for portable, creative work, while DAWs excel when it comes to deep editing, processing power, and professional audio quality. Both have their place, and it’s all about using them where they shine.
You can adjust the slider size in Windows.
Love the format of this video so I subbed. That being said, this video is funny to me. MPC’s were always standalone prioritized, until they added the ability to incorporate the use with a computer. That’s why a lot of us never made the switch to NI, we’re so used to being able to do everything within the box before mixing and adding other things later in post production. Folks have to learn to be patient or use other gear. That’s what we had to do. I’m more than sure the software update is coming.
Shit makes zero since because it don’t matter if u produce solely in standalone…u can’t do shit with out a computer….eventually u will have to bounce that song to a pc or Mac…so it makes zero sense to not include the desktop version when it comes to work flow…AKAI is fucking backwards as hell…3.0 makes zero sense with out the desktop version…
lol.. if you not experienced just say so. Some folks go straight from the hardware, to a mixing board, to software that’s only used for recording and mixing down. Not everyone is dependent on the software version of the MPC to finish tracks my guy. EDIT.. I didn’t even use the software before stems came out and that was only to test the audio quality difference between stems in standalone versus the stems in the software. Get ya knowledge up, no hate..
@@souloshinobi7307 nigga I been doing this shit since 99…..take a seat…I’m talking about workflow….im not wasting my time dumping audio and syncing thru midi cables like it’s 2003 😂😂 nigga if u wanna live ancient that’s on u ….i need my shit done asap…up here throwing shots and beats probably straight trash 😂😂😭😭…
Appreciate the sub! And you're totally right-MPCs have always been built around that standalone-first mindset, which is why they’ve stayed so iconic in the production world. The ability to do almost everything in the box is what sets them apart, and it makes sense why so many stuck with them instead of switching to something like NI.
Patience really is key here-those of us who’ve been in the game for a while know that workflow evolution takes time, and if Akai's track record shows anything, it’s that they eventually deliver updates that address user needs. The balance between innovation and staying true to what makes the MPC special is tricky, but it seems like they’re moving in the right direction. Excited to see what’s next!
I hear you, and I get the frustration. Even if you’re working entirely in standalone, at some point, you’re going to need to bring your project into a computer for mixing, mastering, or finalizing-so not having the desktop version fully aligned with the standalone workflow can feel like a huge oversight. For a lot of people, the desktop version is critical to creating a seamless process, and without it, things can feel incomplete.
It does seem like Akai could do a better job bridging that gap and giving users a more integrated experience with 3.0. If they really want to cater to both standalone and hybrid workflows, a tighter desktop integration is essential. Hopefully, they start listening and make those improvements, because it’s definitely a pain point for many.
Akai has keygroups. You've never been stuck with their sounds. From Cubilas and others I have an ultra large, high quality, comprehensive suite of sounds from just about every keyboard and synth that has ever existed. Not to mention sampling dope stuff to flip.
Absolutely! Akai's keygroup functionality is a game-changer. The flexibility it provides means you're never limited to their stock sounds. Pair that with sound libraries like Cubilas and the ability to sample and flip your own material, and you’ve got an endless creative arsenal. It’s all about leveraging those tools to make your setup uniquely yours!
@@WeCreateMusicTVIF ITS THAT DEEP COPY YOUR LIBRARIES ON A FLASH DRIVE CONNECT IT TO MPC DONE PROBLEM SOLVED REAL EASY WTF😮
love your knowledge keep teaching us
Appreciate the love! 🙏 I’m always here to share and help however I can. Let’s keep learning, building, and creating together. The possibilities are endless-let’s cook up some greatness! 🔥🎶 Keep the questions and ideas coming! 💪
Im a keyboardist anyway, bassist, guitarist, drummer, for more than 40, years, I got rid of all of my analog, desktop flow is better for me, when it comes to orchestral composition, Kontakt just works for me, Falcon as well, I mostly play all my stuff live, not to mention all of my sample libraries, which I cant sale, more than 20,000, I know from over the years, too old to reinvest, lol
It sounds like you’ve built an incredible setup over the years, and you’ve clearly figured out what works best for your workflow! With decades of experience as a musician and such an extensive collection of libraries, it makes total sense to stick with the tools that feel natural and efficient for you. Kontakt and Falcon are unbeatable for orchestral and live composition, and your desktop setup seems perfectly tailored to your needs. Reinventing the wheel at this stage would be more hassle than it’s worth-why fix what isn’t broken? Sounds like you’re already in your creative sweet spot!
Its time to come back
Yeah, I am with you on this. I dig the new but also need it on my computer as well.
Exactly, having the flexibility to work both ways is key. The new features and standalone power are awesome, but there are times when integrating everything seamlessly into the computer is just essential. Whether it’s for deeper editing, leveraging plugins, or just working in a familiar DAW environment, that balance between the new and the old-school workflow really matters. Here’s hoping Akai continues to bridge that gap even more!
People who use the argument that Akai is a hardware company. Are we going to forget how they shifted everyone to the mpc ren and studio only to shift away.
Exactly! It's a bit ironic when people bring up the "Akai is a hardware company" argument, considering how they shifted focus to the MPC Ren and Studio only to completely shift away from that later on. Akai has proven they’re not afraid to pivot, especially when they see the direction the market is heading. They jumped into the software game with the MPC 2.0 software and controllers, so it's clear they're open to changing with the times. The MPC Ren and Studio were great attempts at making Akai more software-centric, but the shift back to standalone and hardware-first just shows how they’re always adjusting based on the landscape. So, while they’ve focused on hardware now, that doesn’t mean they won’t shift back again, especially if the market demands more balance between software and hardware.
I was waiting here this discussion. I use my MPCX in my Desktop workflow with FL studio as as a VST. I have to use the mpc nears plugin because the mpc 2.0 software doesn’t work with properly. I’ve been wanting to upgrade to mpc 3 but it would screw up my workflow. I hope it works when they finally put it out.
I hear you-it’s tough when you’re relying on a specific setup for your workflow, especially when something like the MPC 2.0 software doesn’t play well with FL Studio. Upgrading to MPC 3 is tempting, but it makes sense to hold off if it could mess with your flow. Hopefully, when Akai finally releases MPC 3, it’ll be smooth enough to integrate seamlessly with your setup. You’ve built a solid workflow with FL Studio and MPC X, so fingers crossed the update doesn’t disrupt it and just enhances your creative process!
I feel like since the whole thing with everyone crying about standalone stems akai felt they needed to take care of the standalone guys first this time. Im a hybrid guy I like producing in both BUT l i try and explain to most that the software takes your mpc and basically makes it much more powerful and if they don't want to look at the computer they dont have to you can still produce in the software without having to look at the computer. Hopefully we hear something soon because I feel that 3.0 in software form will be a BIG addition to our arsenal. I feel for the mpc studio guys they dont have the option to test 3.0 at all
You make a solid point. It does feel like Akai is prioritizing standalone users this time around, probably in response to all the noise about standalone stems before. I’m with you on being a hybrid user-having the flexibility to work in both standalone and software modes is such a game changer. And you’re absolutely right, the software does unlock the full potential of the MPC, giving us more power and versatility. People just need to realize that you can still work seamlessly without staring at your computer screen the whole time.
I really hope we get some news soon because MPC 3.0 in software form could be a major upgrade to the workflow. I definitely feel for the MPC Studio users, though-they’re completely left out of the loop with no way to test or experience 3.0 right now. Here’s hoping Akai delivers for everyone sooner rather than later!
To those that do not get the point, I get it as your thoughts are from a beat maker perspective when I compose I am using either my MPC X or Key 61 but once that is done I resort to producer mode bringing it into my daw for deeper editing and implementation into an environment of live instruments that is the process that many beat makers do not see, as such a power user I am curious and excited to see, if Akai maybe will bring the MP software to the level of a Protools or as I am guessing a Ablton level of recording and editing as the new stand alone version actually has that vibe to it giving me the feeling that's where the software is headed
You’re spot on, and it’s a perspective that not all beat makers fully grasp. The transition from beat-making on standalone gear like the MPC X or Key 61 to full-on production in a DAW is a workflow that bridges creativity with precision. As a power user, you’re leveraging the best of both worlds-using the MPC for its hands-on creation and then shifting to a DAW for deeper editing and integration with live instruments.
Your curiosity about where Akai might take the MPC software is valid. It really does feel like they’re inching toward a DAW-like experience with recent updates, especially with the enhanced recording and editing capabilities. If they can evolve the software to rival something like Pro Tools or Ableton, it could redefine how producers approach their entire workflow, especially in standalone mode. The vibe is definitely there-now it’s just a matter of seeing how far they take it. Exciting times ahead!
I haven't updated my MPC to 3.0 because there is no desktop version. I'm not holding my breath tho. I have a feeling it will be quite some time, if they ever do make a desktop version for 3.0. I only use my MPC X as sort of a "scrath pad" to get things started. Once I want to get serious about building the song, I bounce out the stems and move them in to Cubase or Live. I'm just not convinced that Akai is really concerned about the desktop software at all. Think about it, they haven't shown a clip or even a glimpse of it anywhere.
I completely get why you haven’t updated yet-without the desktop version, it just doesn’t make sense for a lot of workflows. And honestly, I don’t blame you for not holding your breath. The fact that Akai hasn’t even teased a single clip or preview of MPC 3.0 Desktop makes it feel like it’s either way off or not a priority for them at all.
Your workflow makes total sense-using the MPC X as a scratchpad and then moving everything into Cubase or Live for serious production is a solid approach, especially when you need deeper mixing, arrangement, and plugin flexibility. And that’s exactly why so many people need the desktop version to stay in the MPC ecosystem instead of having to bounce stems into another DAW.
At this point, it’s hard to tell if Akai is just playing the long game or if they’ve quietly deprioritized the desktop software altogether. If they truly care about keeping hybrid users happy, they need to start showing something soon, or they risk losing that part of their user base to DAWs that actually prioritize full integration.
Desktop producers could just buy an MPD (218/226) and use it with any DAW instead of waiting for new updated MPC software
That’s true-MPDs like the 218 or 226 are solid options for desktop producers who want that hands-on feel of the MPC without waiting for new software updates. They’re compatible with pretty much any DAW and can give you the same kind of tactile control over your beats. For those who don’t need the full standalone MPC experience but still want the MPC vibe in their DAW, the MPD is a great alternative. It lets you focus on making music without dealing with the back-and-forth between hardware and software. But for those who rely on both standalone and desktop features, the wait for MPC 3.0 might still be worth it.
Right they can get hard ware from 200300500 dollars
The studio works great for taking the mouse out of 40% with the mk2 85% with the studio black/silver
The comments are killing me😂
@@XBASS247 Me too! That's why I love to do these types of videos. It sparks much conversation and provides perspectives! Always look forward to the comments, whether people agree or not.
We need perpetual licenses for all our plugins so we don't have to always have an internet connection.
You’re absolutely right-perpetual licenses for plugins would be a game-changer. Having that offline freedom to work without worrying about a constant internet connection is a huge benefit, especially when you’re in the middle of a creative session and don’t want to deal with activation issues or downloads. It’s frustrating that so many companies are pushing subscription models, but for a lot of users, owning a plugin outright with a perpetual license is the ideal way to go. You’re not tied to a service, and you can continue using what you’ve purchased without being at the mercy of internet access or subscription fees. Hopefully, more companies will start offering perpetual licenses again, or at least provide that option alongside subscriptions for more flexibility.
interesting to see how NI is going exactly in the other direction, abandon the Maschine plus community, developing sounds for AKAI, even the play series that we M+ users do not have access right now.
Yeah, it’s definitely an interesting shift. Native Instruments moving away from the Maschine Plus community while continuing to develop sounds and products for Akai seems like a bit of a departure, especially considering the Maschine Plus was marketed as a standalone device. The fact that M+ users don't have access to some of the newer Play Series content feels like a gap in the ecosystem.
On the other hand, it makes sense from a business standpoint for NI to expand their reach to platforms like Akai, considering the growing popularity of Akai hardware in standalone setups. But for those of us invested in the Maschine Plus ecosystem, it feels a little like being left behind.
It’s a curious move, and it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out long term-whether NI eventually comes back to Maschine Plus with more updates or whether they continue focusing on broader partnerships with other brands. For now, it feels like some Maschine Plus users might feel overlooked in favor of a more expansive market.
Same way i have been feeling , glad you are talking about this
Appreciate that! It’s always good to know others are feeling the same way. These conversations are important to have so we can shine a light on the issues and, hopefully, see some changes down the line. Glad we’re on the same page! 🙌
I prefer the power of my MacBook. And I love 2.0. Been on it since the mpc touch, so I’m not keen on switching to 3.0 and dealing with workflow change (no programs). I’m cool with 2.0 being the stopping point for cpu guys like myself. No need for standalone on my end.
That’s a solid perspective. If 2.0 works perfectly for you and aligns with your workflow, there’s really no need to fix what isn’t broken. The power and flexibility of a MacBook combined with the reliability of 2.0 seems like a winning combo for your setup. Not everyone needs or wants standalone capabilities, especially when your CPU can handle everything with ease. Sometimes, sticking with what’s familiar and efficient is the best move. Why disrupt your workflow if it’s already dialed in? It’s all about what works for you, and if 2.0 is the sweet spot, there’s no reason to chase the next thing just because it’s “new.” Keep doing what works!
Same here new user almost a year now I’m not going to relearn again
I think that right now it costs more money and resources to develop software not to mention when updates come in and new in house plugins, there’s dealing with not only processing and programming but the UI can have a negative user experience if not scaled properly. Native Instruments has that problem but since their rebranding and the new partnership “trial run” I think a merger is coming more likely where Akai could acquire NI. In the meantime Akai users will lean towards using other daws to get by
That’s an interesting take, and you’re right-developing and maintaining software is a massive investment, especially with updates, in-house plugins, and ensuring the UI scales properly for a smooth user experience. It’s not just about functionality but also about keeping it intuitive and bug-free, which can be a tough balance to strike. Native Instruments definitely struggled with that for a while, but their recent rebranding and partnerships seem to show they’re adapting-and a merger with Akai would be a big move if it happens.
Native Instruments is seen as a bigger company than Akai. While Akai is known for its drum machines and controllers, Native Instruments has a wider range of products, like software instruments, effects, sampling tools, and production systems like Maschine. This makes them a stronger player in the music production software world. If Akai and NI were to merge, it could be a big deal, combining Akai’s hardware strengths with NI’s software expertise.
Considering How Great of a Job AKAI has done, I’m willing to Wait… Which means that i’ll just get Better at the STANDALONE Workflow until 3.0 Software Arrival. They Know What they’re Doing.
That’s a great mindset! Akai has definitely made some solid moves, and it seems like they’re taking their time to get things right. In the meantime, getting even better at the standalone workflow is a win-it’ll only make your process smoother when the desktop version finally drops. You’re trusting they’ve got it under control, and it’s good to stay patient while they work on perfecting it.
It's simple, you can use the MPC both ways with or without a computer.
Gotcha. What you're pointing out is key-right now, using MPC 3.0 requires switching between two different versions: 3.0 for standalone and 2.15.1 for desktop. It's a major inconvenience, and while it's technically possible to use both modes, the fact that they’re on separate versions creates confusion and limits the seamless hybrid workflow that many users need. That’s not what’s being communicated, and it’s a big reason why many people are frustrated with the current situation. For true flexibility, the desktop version needs to be fully aligned with 3.0, so users don’t have to juggle two different versions just to work.
Desktop producers were making music well before MPC 3 came into existence. What's stopping them from making music now?
You’re right, desktop producers have been making music long before MPC 3.0 was even a thought, and there’s nothing stopping them from making music now. The issue for many is the desire for seamless integration between standalone and desktop, as well as access to third-party plugins and the expanded features that desktop environments offer. While desktop producers can still create, the hope is for Akai to improve the MPC desktop software to offer a smoother workflow, more powerful features, and tighter integration-especially for those who use both standalone and desktop in their creative process. It's not about stopping creativity, but about making the MPC system work better for hybrid users who want the best of both worlds.
What's wrong with MPC computer software users wanting a FULL update after 8 years of incremental updates?
Also, like *WeCreateMusicTV* points out, people who own a standalone MPC and want to use it in controller mode to utilize the power of their computer might have some difficulties doing so when their computer software is stuck at 2.x while their standalone machine is on 3.x.
I had a mpc2000xl and still sampled everything from TH-cam. So having to plug to desktop was always my only option
That’s a solid approach! MPC2000XL was a game-changer for its time, and sampling from places like TH-cam opened up so many possibilities, even if you had to plug into a desktop to handle some of the more complex tasks. It's cool how the MPCs have evolved to give you more flexibility in terms of workflow, but I can see how for many producers, being able to sample from external sources and easily integrate with a desktop setup was always the go-to method. It’s all about finding the system that works best for you, and it sounds like you’ve found what clicks.
Definitely not the only one frustrated by this…Appreciate your video…and on a side note the MPC live 2 is amazing something about that specific built in speaker is just perfect in my opinion
I hear you-this whole situation has been frustrating for a lot of people, and you’re definitely not alone. Appreciate you checking out the video! Hopefully, Akai listens and delivers the desktop update sooner rather than later. And yeah, the MPC Live 2 is a beast! That built-in speaker is surprisingly good-it’s not just convenient, but it actually sounds great for quick sessions and portability. There’s something about the way it’s tuned that makes it feel just right for knocking out ideas on the go. Definitely one of Akai’s best design choices!
Latency correction is the first thing I would need
Absolutely-latency correction should be a top priority, especially for desktop users. If Akai is going to push the MPC 3.0 desktop version, it needs to address latency issues and make sure that everything stays in sync, especially when using it with other software and plugins in a DAW. Without proper latency compensation, it can throw off the entire creative process, especially when you're working on detailed arrangements and precise edits. If Akai can fix that issue, along with other essential features like Plug-in Delay Compensation, it’ll make the desktop version much more viable for serious producers who rely on tight timing and smooth integration with their setup.
I use them both. Love the 3.0 standalone update but still love the 2.15 on MPC2.0. I think they will come around and update the MPC 2.0 to 3.0 give em time. They are definitely moving forward regardless which is a good thing.
That’s a solid approach-using both versions to get the best of both worlds. The 3.0 standalone update definitely brings some great improvements, but sticking with 2.15 on MPC 2.0 makes sense until they fully bridge the gap. I agree that they’ll likely update MPC 2.0 to 3.0 at some point-it’s just a matter of when. Akai is clearly moving forward, and even though the rollout has been frustrating for some, progress is still happening. Hopefully, they take the time to get it right and deliver a seamless experience for both standalone and desktop users. Either way, it’s good to see them evolving!
Please read fully. Not the NI play series but their expansions have any one tried to load them on desktop?
Is MPC Beats free? If they update they are going to charge for the program
Thanks for this because I am puzzled. I do so much more with the software, like using external plugins.
Exactly! The software opens up so many possibilities, especially when it comes to integrating external plugins and achieving a more polished sound. Standalone is cool for portability and quick ideas, but when it comes to deep production work, nothing beats the flexibility and power of software. You’re not alone in feeling puzzled-sometimes it feels like the standalone hype overshadows how much more you can accomplish with a solid software setup. Stick to what works best for you!
Akai Ben meant on hardware so of course ya ol will get it eventually, hardware users use both tho stand alone and daw
You're right-Akai's roots are in hardware, and they've always focused on providing powerful standalone experiences. Hardware users often rely on both standalone and DAW, and that hybrid workflow has been a key part of how many people use their gear. The hope is that Akai will continue to evolve, making it easier for users to seamlessly transition between both environments, so we can get the best of both worlds. It’s all about giving people the flexibility to work the way that suits them best, whether it’s standalone or within a DAW. Eventually, I’m sure Akai will address these needs and make things smoother for all users.
Last year I went and purchased Cubase 13 Pro when I noticed that Akai didn't care about us.
I get that. It can be frustrating when it feels like a company isn’t addressing the needs of its long-time users. Cubase 13 Pro is a solid choice, though-it’s a powerhouse for detailed composition, mixing, and overall production. If Akai isn’t stepping up in the areas you need, it makes sense to invest in tools that truly work for your workflow. Hopefully, Akai will catch on and start prioritizing features for those of us who rely on both hardware and deep DAW integration.
@@WeCreateMusicTV I hope they wake up soon bcuz this situation seems like a money grab.
I'm a desktop guy myself, and since I've updated my MPC 61 Keyboard to the 3.0 upgrade. It has been real glitchy when I open up the older version software. Not being able to go into controller mode sometimes, have to do it a couple of times before it takes. 😡
That’s really frustrating, especially when you’re trying to stay productive. It’s definitely not ideal when updating to a newer version causes glitches with older software, especially when it comes to controller mode. Having to try multiple times to get it to work isn’t what you should be dealing with. Hopefully, Akai will release a patch or fix that smooths out the compatibility between versions. Until then, I can understand why the experience might feel more like a hassle than an upgrade!
That's not the case in my situation... my pc went down and could not get a new for a month. It's a good thing I had a standalone to keep working.
I see what you mean now-having the standalone MPC really saved the day when your PC was down. It’s a great reminder of how having that flexibility to switch between standalone and desktop can be a lifesaver in situations like that. Standalone offers that independence, so even if the computer side isn’t available, you can still get work done. Definitely a big advantage when unexpected tech issues pop up!
I wish Akai would implement a 3rd option (like Overbridge with Digitakt) where you connect via USB (as in controller mode) but the hardware is still doing all the work and you can send audio and sync via USB. That would be the best of two worlds!
That’s an excellent idea! Having a 3rd option like Overbridge would be a game-changer. Being able to connect via USB while still letting the hardware handle all the processing would give users the tactile workflow of the MPC with the convenience of seamless audio and sync integration into a DAW. It really would be the best of both worlds, especially for those who want the power of standalone hardware but still want a streamlined setup for recording or editing. Hopefully, Akai is paying attention to ideas like this-it could take their ecosystem to the next level!
The desktop version is good it only needs a arrangement like the maschine
I agree, the desktop version of the MPC is solid, but it could definitely benefit from an arrangement view similar to Maschine’s. That layout would make it easier to manage and structure your tracks, giving it more of a DAW-like feel. However, the Maschine arrange view is fine, but it really needs the capabilities of something like Logic Pro X for advanced editing, automation, and mixing. If Akai could combine that hands-on workflow with the depth and flexibility of a DAW like Logic, it would make the MPC desktop version a much more powerful tool for serious production and arranging.
7:02 adorable reasoning
Reason 1: $
Reason 2: $$
Reason 3: $$$
You want 3.0, you buy a standalone model.
Also it would make more sense to beta the software on a computer NOT the other way around.
3.0 was made for standalone….2.1 was made for desktop THEN PORTED. This is according to the development timeline by AKAI
We aren’t watching from the sidelines…😊
Stand alone is a myth. You will still end up in the box in the end.
That’s a fair take-no matter how powerful standalone gear gets, most serious productions still end up inside a DAW for final mixing, mastering, and advanced editing. Standalone is great for creating ideas, getting hands-on with the music, and even performing live, but when it comes to finishing a track, the "box" (whether it’s Cubase, Ableton, Logic, etc.) is usually where everything gets polished.
The real issue isn’t whether standalone can replace a DAW-it’s about how seamless the transition between the two can be. If Akai truly wants to push standalone as a real solution, they need to make sure MPC 3.0 can integrate effortlessly with a desktop version, so users don’t feel like they’re hitting a wall when it’s time to take their production to the next level. Until that happens, standalone will always be a stepping stone rather than a full destination.
Not only that, my homeboy is quadriplegic and makes beats on ipad only and they're fire
That’s amazing! Creativity and adaptability are incredible! It just goes to show that technology can be used in so many different ways to create powerful music, no matter the setup or limitations. Using an iPad as the main tool for making beats, especially when you’re working with those kinds of challenges, is a huge testament to his resourcefulness and talent. It's inspiring to see how the music production world has evolved to be more inclusive and flexible, making it possible for anyone, no matter their situation, to create.
Akai should bring modes. Old workflow or new workflow. so far no complaints 2.15
works with vs 3 in controller mode
Akai adding modes to switch between the old workflow and the new workflow would be a game-changer for users who prefer different styles. It’d give everyone the flexibility to stick with what they’re comfortable with or explore something new. Sounds like 2.15 is solid for you, and having it work seamlessly with version 3 in controller mode is definitely a big plus. So far, it seems like Akai’s doing well keeping things compatible and functional!
They’re trying to force more desktop users to buy the hardware.
That definitely seems to be part of the strategy. By delaying the desktop version, they might be trying to push more producers toward investing in the standalone hardware, which makes sense from a business standpoint-but it’s frustrating for users who rely on both. If that’s the case, it’s a risky move. Forcing desktop users into buying hardware instead of giving them a solid software experience could backfire, pushing them toward other DAWs instead of deeper into the MPC ecosystem. If Akai truly wants to keep their user base engaged, they need to make sure both standalone and desktop workflows are strong and well-integrated, not just use one to sell the other. Hopefully, they don’t drag this out too long!
Use the daw and buy the akai mpc controller i use both.
That’s a solid approach-using both the DAW and an Akai MPC controller gives you the best of both worlds. You get the deep editing and plugin flexibility of the DAW, while still having the tactile control and hands-on feel of the MPC for sequencing and beat-making. It’s a great hybrid setup that keeps the workflow creative and efficient without limiting yourself to just one option. You can take full advantage of both setups to make the most of your production process.
I bought my MPC partly because I could use it in controller mode and transfer my projects from the desktop to the stand and so on. Now if I upgrade to 3.0 I lose half of my functionality so I’m stuck with using 2.15
That’s a tough spot to be in, and I completely get your frustration. The ability to seamlessly switch between controller mode and standalone is one of the biggest selling points of the MPC, so losing that functionality with the 3.0 upgrade is a huge letdown. It’s a big reason why a lot of people are hesitant to upgrade. Sticking with 2.15 makes sense for now if it keeps your workflow intact, but Akai really needs to address this gap. The whole point of the MPC’s hybrid workflow is flexibility, and breaking that with 3.0 feels like a step backward. Hopefully, they sort this out soon, because no one should have to sacrifice functionality just to stay updated.
@@WeCreateMusicTV exactly I’m sticking with 2.15 to keep the full functionality of the machine. Then some of the work flow changes took away the best parts of the old work flow like have the same program in multiple sequences able to do different things. I understand improving what doesn’t work but they took things that did work and replaced it with things that work but are now limited.
It s sure looks that way for now. The history of the MPCs originality is probrably being enforced right now. They want to remind us of where the MPC came from. I believe they are going to come with the D.A.W. a little later. They're not going to leave us out. I believe there's a marketing observation going on. They're observing who likes what the most. That's how I see it. I could be wrong. Until they come with the Desktop, I'll create with Abelton more often than my MPCX.
That’s a solid perspective, and you might be right-Akai could be intentionally reinforcing the standalone legacy of the MPC before fully rolling out the DAW update. It does feel like they’re taking a step back to remind users of what the MPC was originally designed for while also gauging how people respond to the new standalone workflow.
That being said, if they really are just observing market trends before launching the desktop version, they need to be careful not to frustrate their hybrid users too much. A lot of people depend on both standalone and desktop, and without that balance, many will naturally start using other DAWs-just like you’re leaning more on Ableton for now.
Hopefully, they don’t take too long to bring the full package together. If they want to keep users locked into the MPC ecosystem, they’ll need to deliver that desktop update sooner rather than later. Let’s see what happens!
What about users whonuse both? Controller mode is good, I don’t think it should upgrade to the same 3.0 format, due to the nature of the programming and how sequencing works.
I’ve not used controller mode for a while though and I need to jump back in, my main concerns are just song mode and basic operating functionality for both standalone and controller mode. Plugins are an after thought, expensive but I love the education Akai bring when working on music.
I’m cultivating patience and I hope they don’t rush things for controller mode users.
How does logic compare to your MPC workflow?
You make a great point about Controller Mode-it has its own unique workflow that shouldn’t be changed too much, especially since standalone and controller mode operate differently. Akai should focus on improving basic functions like song mode and overall operating functionality for both standalone and controller mode first, before adding new features or focusing too much on plugins.
As for Logic vs. MPC, Logic is fantastic for detailed editing, arranging, and mixing, with tons of tools, instruments, and plugins. On the other hand, the MPC’s strength lies in its tactile beat-making and sequencing workflow. Logic is great for post-production, while the MPC is made for raw creativity. They work well together-Logic for arranging and mixing, MPC for creating.
I thought as much, I pray I can get to a point where I can implement logic - it’s good to hear and confirm these points 😁
You can use external expansions on stand alone, and it's a sampler, so you are not limited to "in-house sounds" by any measure. I don't understand the "what about me" perspective.
You’re absolutely right-standalone MPCs can load external expansions and are incredibly flexible as samplers, so you're not locked into just the in-house sounds. The beauty of the MPC is that it’s a powerful tool for sampling, sound design, and expansion, allowing users to create whatever sounds they want, whether they come from external sources or built-in libraries. The "what about me" perspective often comes from those of us who prefer a hybrid workflow, where we want the seamless integration of both standalone and desktop functionality without feeling like one is being prioritized over the other. Both setups have their strengths, and ideally, Akai would cater to all types of workflows, offering flexibility for those who use both standalone and DAW setups.
@@WeCreateMusicTV mpc should obviously prioritize hardware, as they're a hardware company that also makes some software. I'm sure they will update the software as well, it only makes sense for the sake of consistency and their brand. A year ago I was seeing standalone users loosing their minds that the software had stems before the hardware. It works both ways I guess. Logistics are just logistics, so people should just be patient.
I think they're just testing it out on standalone first, whilst trying to perfect the pending official software version.
That makes sense! It’s probably easier for them to roll it out on standalone first, work out any kinks, and then perfect the software version for desktop users. Testing on standalone could give them valuable feedback without risking a buggy desktop release. Hopefully, this means the desktop version will be polished and optimized when it finally drops. Fingers crossed it’s worth the wait!
Akai is actually getting standalone caught up to desktop.i ask this question how many desktop had great upgrades ie plugins before this major update for standalone.
That’s a fair point-Akai has been focusing on getting standalone up to speed with the desktop experience, and this major update proves that. Standalone users have been asking for better plugins, workflow improvements, and expanded capabilities for a while, and now they’re finally getting them.
But here’s the flip side-while standalone is catching up, it feels like the desktop side is being left behind. The balance should go both ways. Many hybrid users expected a simultaneous update, not just a standalone upgrade while the desktop version remains in limbo.
To answer your question, desktop users have had great plugins and updates before, but the frustration comes from the fact that now, standalone is advancing while desktop is sitting in uncertainty. Ideally, Akai should be elevating both sides together so users don’t feel like they’re being forced into one workflow over another.
@@WeCreateMusicTV when akai daw got updates there was no real update to standalone . Look at how many mpcs or akai gear came out before this update. We talking years.
@@originaltruth2244 You're right-there’s been a long wait for major updates to the standalone MPC while the Akai DAW got more attention. For years, new MPCs and gear came out, but the standalone side didn’t get the updates it needed. It’s frustrating, especially when you look at how long it took for a significant update to finally arrive for standalone users. Akai should have balanced the updates better.
@ but akai never balance. Lol. But they also will never ever leave they daw out. Theres going to be a update to the daw that the standalone wont have and thats cool. As long as i can do what i need to do in standalone and in the daw because honestly i dnt want both to do the same i want some diferrencea so i can be creative. So i have my mpc x se in 3.4 and mu live 2 on the 2.15 for the third party plugins that cant be used in standalone like NI plugins
@@originaltruth2244 That makes sense! You’re right-Akai doesn’t always balance things the way people want, but having differences between standalone and the DAW actually opens up more creative possibilities. It’s cool that you can use your MPC X SE in 3.4 for more advanced features while keeping your MPC Live 2 on 2.15 for those third-party plugins like NI that won’t work standalone. Having both setups allows you to take advantage of the strengths of each, and it gives you the flexibility to switch up your workflow depending on the project. That’s a smart way to make the most of both!
Maybe they need to change the paradigm in terms of UI for desktop users instead of just having a copy of the standalone version.
That’s a great point! Instead of just having a direct copy of the standalone version for desktop users, Akai could benefit from rethinking the UI to make it more desktop-optimized. The workflow for desktop users is inherently different from standalone, so having a UI that takes advantage of a larger screen, mouse/keyboard controls, and deeper integration with DAWs could really enhance the experience.
It would be great if Akai designed the desktop version to feel like its own thing, rather than a “port” of the standalone, so it doesn’t just mimic the standalone experience. This could include better multi-track management, easier access to plugins, and features that streamline the desktop user’s workflow while still maintaining the core MPC functionality. That way, desktop users wouldn’t feel like they’re just getting a shrunken version of the standalone setup, but something specifically tailored to their needs.
@ yes I see it more like a an FL Studio / Ableton fusion style interface that uses screen space more efficiently than having to unfold / fold panels for example. And maybe they could take ideas from the Force as well and officially merge the two platforms at the occasion (even though not everyone will like this idea).
@@al8xandros I totally agree! A fusion-style interface like FL Studio and Ableton would make a lot of sense, especially when it comes to using screen space more efficiently. Having a layout that allows for smoother navigation, without constantly unfolding and folding panels, would create a much more streamlined and intuitive workflow. It would save time and make the whole process feel more fluid.
Taking ideas from the Force is also a great suggestion. The Force has some really smart interface elements that could easily be adapted to improve the desktop version of MPC, especially for users who prefer a more performance-oriented workflow. Merging the two platforms could create a versatile hybrid experience, though, as you mentioned, not everyone would be on board with that. It’s all about finding the right balance between creativity, usability, and innovation, which could definitely take the MPC ecosystem to the next level!
We got everything on the computer. But I own standalone too. I sample from my computer into my sampler…
That’s the best of both worlds-having everything on the computer while still using standalone for that hands-on experience. Sampling from your computer into your hardware keeps that classic workflow alive while still giving you access to all the digital tools. It’s all about using what works best for your creativity, and having both options gives you ultimate flexibility. Sounds like you’ve got a solid setup! 🔥🎶
A MAC is a PC..........Personal Computer just like HP and all the other brand names, people need to realize that.
LOL!!!!!!!!!! Yes it definitely is a PC. In my head I was thinking HP, Dell, etc. but you're right it is a personal computer but saying MAC is just a differentiating factor I think in people's mind. Even when you shop for computer related products, there is a distinction between the two, made for Mac and PC LOL!
@@WeCreateMusicTV You are right also, Thanks for the reply.
@@TechNineKOQ1152 You’re welcome! I’m glad we could have this discussion-it’s clear you’ve got a deep understanding of the MPC and its evolution. If you ever want to dive into any more thoughts or updates, I’m always here to chat. Keep doing your thing and making great music!
Brooooo trust u aren’t alone! I’m kinda pissed bro.. I have everything in the laptop and need everything!
I feel you, bro-it’s super frustrating. When you’ve got everything locked down on the laptop and depend on that integration, not having it all work seamlessly feels like a slap in the face. It’s tough when your whole workflow is built around having that “everything everywhere” vibe, and then it gets disrupted. You’re definitely not alone in this, and a lot of us are in the same boat, waiting for Akai to step up and fix this. Hopefully, they’re paying attention because this is too big of a deal to ignore. Hang in there, man!
Be patient remember when they rushed the beta 😅 everyone was crying let them cook let them get it right otherwise prepare for a repeat of the beta drop..
You’re absolutely right-rushing things only leads to more frustration, like we saw with the beta drop. It’s better to let Akai take their time and get it right this time around. A polished, fully functional release is worth the wait, especially if it means avoiding the headaches and bugs we’ve dealt with before. Patience now could save a lot of trouble later!
same bro i need that 3.0 for desktop i love it in standalone but I'm a desktop producer
I feel you 100%! The standalone workflow is great, but as a desktop producer, having that 3.0 update for the desktop would really bring everything full circle. It's all about getting the best of both worlds-standalone portability and the full power and flexibility of a desktop setup. Hopefully, they roll it out soon because it could be a game-changer for a lot of us who thrive in the hybrid workflow!
I downgraded my MPC because there’s no desktop version
That says a lot about how important the desktop version is for many users. If Akai’s update doesn’t support a seamless workflow between standalone and desktop, then it’s not really an upgrade for everyone-especially for those who rely on that hybrid integration. Downgrading makes sense if it keeps your workflow intact, but it also highlights why Akai needs to prioritize the desktop version of MPC 3.0 ASAP. Until they do, a lot of producers will either stick with older versions or start shifting to other DAWs entirely. Hopefully, they see this and move quickly to deliver what users actually need.
The desktop version will easily be superior. It won't even be close. It's ok to wait a little bit.
True, the desktop version will likely blow the standalone out of the water in terms of power and capabilities. Sometimes it’s worth being patient for something that’s going to offer a much better experience overall. Let’s just hope the wait is worth it!
@WeCreateMusicTV The linear format will effectively be a true DAW on the desktop. When it drops, only then will people truly understand how much has changed in MPCWorld. It's going to have more routing features than the box can make sense of with its limited real estate. More visuals etc.
@@andremiller1566 I really hope the desktop software can compete with DAWs like Ableton or Logic Pro. If Akai can pull it off, this could genuinely become the ultimate DAW, bridging the gap between standalone and desktop workflows in a way no one else has.
I am ready for the new 3.0 Desktop Software.
Me too! The wait is killing me.
I hear what you're saying and I hope Akai is able to give the DAW users what they want. My only concern is at some point, the expectation will go from making a DAW that compliments the hardware software to competing with the Abelton's and Studio One's of the world. If I were making the decisions for Akai on this matter, I'd make a DAW that compliments the 3.0 software in the MPC and not make a DAW designed to be an alternative to any other DAW out there. In other words, stay in your lane Akai. The software side has plenty of DAW optioins to choose from. The hardware side has only one choice. Don't fuck it up!
That’s a solid perspective, but I think Akai should aim to do both-create a DAW that complements the hardware and competes with the likes of Ableton and Studio One. The MPC ecosystem is already unique because of its hardware-software integration, and if Akai could take the desktop software to a more competitive level, it would bring even more value to the MPC community.
Right now, a lot of users want the flexibility of working seamlessly between standalone and desktop without having to rely on a third-party DAW for advanced features. If Akai invests in making their software just as powerful as their hardware, they could carve out a space in the DAW world without losing their identity. At the same time, they need to ensure the hardware-first workflow remains their priority. In other words, they can stay true to their roots while also leveling up to compete with the big DAWs. There’s no reason Akai can’t play both sides and win! Just don’t drop the ball on what makes the MPC special in the first place.
@@WeCreateMusicTV I agree with having a MPC DAW that competes feature wise with your typical DAW. However, I also believe the MPC DAW user interface should be visually and functionally unique to the MPC experience and not mimic your typical DAW layout. Sorta like Reason and FL Studio have their own design layout and work flow. Thoughts?
Akai's Trying To Sale Their Boxes!
Absolutely, Akai’s main game is selling hardware-that’s their bread and butter. All the software updates and features are really there to make the boxes more appealing. At the end of the day, they’re a hardware-first company, and everything they do is to drive sales of the MPCs, Force, and other gear. But they’ve got to strike a balance. If the software and workflow don’t live up to the promises, it can hurt the appeal of the hardware. The boxes are great, but the ecosystem has to work seamlessly to keep people invested. It’s all connected-if they mess up one side, it impacts the other. Let’s just hope they keep the users in mind while trying to move units!
Similiar issue here. I work using both modes - standalone and controller / desktop mode (tracking beats via USB / vst). I've updated to MPC 3 hoping it's full release, made Simple beat and switched to desktop mode... And suddendly find out that I cannot open MPC 3 Project, I've just created. To be exact - my desktop MPC App was updated to the newest version. WTF??? 😮 Switched back to MPC 2. The main problem od communication, I think. Akai didn't adress this issue. Or I've missed IT?? It's not a FULL RELEASE in my opinion.
That’s exactly why the MPC 3 desktop version is so important. If you’ve updated your standalone to the new software and started creating songs, but then want to switch to the desktop environment, the lack of backward compatibility becomes a huge issue. Having the desktop software fully integrated and compatible is critical for those who rely on both modes. Without it, the workflow breaks down, leaving users stuck with projects they can’t properly finish in their preferred environment. This is a clear example of why the desktop version is an essential piece of the puzzle.
They want us to buy the standalone hardware. Its business.
You're absolutely right-it’s business at the end of the day. Akai is definitely prioritizing their standalone hardware because it’s their flagship product, and they make a lot of money off it. The focus on standalone makes sense from a financial standpoint, but it can be frustrating for those of us who want a seamless hybrid workflow with both hardware and software. The trick is finding a way to make both work without sacrificing one for the other, but I get why they’re doubling down on standalone. At the end of the day, it’s all about their bottom line, and that’s why we’re seeing a bigger push for hardware sales.
There I am looking to buy the MPC studio as an entry back into making music. The price is right considering it comes with DAW which is what I really need (considering FL studio is no longer cheap) but seems like the support is lacking.
The MPC Studio is definitely a solid entry point for getting back into music production, especially since it comes with the MPC DAW. The price point makes it attractive compared to other options like FL Studio, which has gotten more expensive over the years. However, you’re absolutely right about the support-there have been complaints about communication and updates, which can be frustrating, especially for newer users trying to find their rhythm.
That said, if you’re primarily focused on the DAW and learning the MPC workflow, it’s still a great way to start. Just keep in mind that the hardware is only as good as the software support it gets, so it’s worth looking into recent user feedback or even considering alternatives if long-term support is a dealbreaker for you. Either way, it’s exciting to hear you’re diving back into music!
Akai bring back controller mode.
Facts! Akai needs to bring back full Controller Mode because a lot of users depend on that hybrid workflow. The whole appeal of the modern MPC was the ability to switch seamlessly between standalone and desktop, and without proper controller mode integration, it feels like a step backward. If Akai truly wants to cater to all its users-not just standalone producers-they need to make sure the MPC 3.0 Desktop is fully functional and works hand-in-hand with the hardware. The flexibility of moving between both environments is what made the MPC workflow powerful in the first place. Hopefully, they’re listening because Controller Mode is a must!
Also, they keep saying the MPC 3 Programs can be imported into 2.0. Not exactly true. I have at least 15 beats I started in 3.0 beta stand-alone that I can’t access I the desktop version.
That’s a huge issue, and I can see why it’s frustrating. If Akai is claiming that MPC 3.0 programs can be imported into 2.0 but users are finding otherwise, that’s a disconnect they really need to address. For those who started beats in 3.0 beta standalone and now can’t access them in the desktop version, it makes the whole workflow feel broken.
Brah you puttin' a "6" on a "3" and that's not bashing or belittling your rant. But "us" Elda Head producers have always found a way to get 'ish done, period. If we sat and moaned every time a manufacturer/company of wares we use didn't put a particular user/segment in their "we gotta please them", we'd all still be bangin out on hardware. Honestly, I use MPC2 like I did when I first turned into a hybrid producer--less hardware more software--when I was a Reason to Cubase "Re-Wiring" addict. Same can be done in earnest with MPC2 and I still got more if not easier tools in Studio 1 to abuse audio and MIDI til my heart’s content. Yeah it may take a few minutes to export/import MIDI into your DAW, but again, the tools in todays DAWs $hitz on Akai’s tools if you are a serious DAW(man) and have vSTi’s and plugins out the @$$ with Plugin Botique and you patna with 2TB’s of “what you need I got it-wink, wink”--making it hard not to?
So at worst the current “leaving us out” cry can be turned into a creative workflow upgrade and have one doing ‘ish that may have never done “inside or outside the proverbial MPC2 box”. Creatives cats as yourself aren’t really being hindered. I get it. It makes good content and content is king.
So to anyone of you youngin’s-a big @$$ FYI “youngin” in my book is not a slight or diss but just how an Elda Head can talk after being upright above ground for half a century plus-feeling my stuck, don’t. Cuz Elda Heads can feel this post up with stories of “what about us” in regards to the technical advancements software and hardware companies have made and we somehow figured that $hit out and made it work for what we do-produce and jack off hours on equipment while wifey is in the other room talking about us cuz we rather spend more time with our gear than her!!! LOL!! Your mileage will vary on that last statement, but a real Elda Head can feel me and don’t need to acknowledge what is known.
I digress. oNe Love. Bang out bangers and keep doin’ your thiz!!!
-TBG67
I respect the wisdom and experience in that response, but let’s keep it real-times have changed. Yeah, Elda Heads have always found a way to get things done, and that’s exactly why people are pushing Akai to step up. It’s not about waiting around for a company to cater to a specific group-it’s about expecting the tools we invest in to evolve with modern workflows.
Back in the day, workarounds were necessary because technology was limited, but now, there’s no excuse for half-baked software rollouts that leave hybrid users in limbo. Sure, you can export/import MIDI, stem out, and piece things together in other DAWs, but why should that be the norm when integration should be seamless? It’s 2025-not 2005. Akai has the ability to do better, and holding them accountable doesn’t mean people are "moaning"; it means they want a better user experience.
And yeah, content is king, but that doesn’t mean the frustration isn’t real. Plenty of producers-young and seasoned-are seeing gaps in Akai’s approach and calling it out. Finding workarounds is one thing, but settling for limitations when companies can do better is another. That’s the difference between just “figuring it out” and actually pushing the industry forward. At the end of the day, no matter how you slice it, MPC 3.0 Desktop needs to drop. Period.
Don't worry people they will update the "Daw" to 3.0 then they will continue to make a ton of machines afterwards then and only then they will stop and only do standalone
I can definitely see that as a potential roadmap for Akai-they’ll likely release the 3.0 desktop update, then focus on pushing out more hardware to keep that standalone workflow strong. Andy Mac mentioned in a comment that the desktop version would be coming soon....Once the desktop version catches up and is more fully integrated with the standalone, Akai might shift its primary focus back to creating more hardware. The balance between standalone and DAW software is tricky, but it makes sense they’d want to ensure the standalone remains their core offering while offering the desktop version as a complementary tool. As long as they keep supporting both sides and don’t leave desktop users behind, that could be a smart strategy moving forward!
Is it satire? AKAI users complain cause they think hardware is preferred while Native Instruments users complain that software is preferred. Maybe the customers should switch the companies.
If you're asking if this video is satire, then there is a large element of that and thank you for noticing, even though I was being as serious as possible.
Akai users swear by the hardware, while Native Instruments users are all about that software-heavy workflow. Maybe a little switcheroo would actually make people appreciate what each company brings to the table! If Akai fans embraced the software-first approach and NI fans dove into the hands-on, tactile world of hardware, they might see the benefits of each side and realize there’s no one-size-fits-all. In the end, it’s all about personal preference, and that’s what makes the music production world so diverse. Both companies have their strengths, but balance is key for many producers.
Using native instrument plug-ins on a desktop platform that has all the RAM all the storage and almost all of us are running quad core to 12 core laptops, or desktops would be light work to run on the MPC software. I have a feeling that they already resolved how to make this work on the desktop, but are really trying our best to ensure the experience is solid for the hardware since the hardware is running with limitations. Let’s be honest 4 GB of RAM at the max is not enough to run native in instrument Plugins the way we would normally do it on a desktop. My laptop has 32 GB of RAM and I’m running an i7 from the 2024 series. So it’s insanely fast. Running 10 to 12 instances of any plug-in from that catalog is nothing for it. However, you can’t replicate that experience in standalone at all. And it doesn’t mean that you have to do that, but you have to be sure that your standalone units can run so smoothly that the experience between desktop and standalone is the same. If this desktop has the best experience, why would you use the standalone units? I think that’s why we are waiting. And I’m not really stressing the arranger mode because I never mix in the MPC anyway I always make the stems and bring it to logic anyway because I have templates in logic for mixing that speed up my process.
You make a solid point! Using Native Instruments plugins on a desktop with ample RAM, storage, and a high-performance CPU is a breeze compared to standalone hardware with its inherent limitations. It does feel like they’re prioritizing ensuring a seamless standalone experience first because, let’s face it, 4GB of RAM in standalone is far from ideal for running heavy plugins. The hardware’s limitations create challenges that don’t exist on desktops, and bridging that gap to create a unified experience is probably what’s taking so long.
Your perspective on why they might be holding off-ensuring standalone holds its own against the desktop-is really insightful. If the desktop software provides the ultimate experience with no comparable functionality on standalone, it could overshadow the hardware entirely. And honestly, I get not stressing arranger mode for that reason-when Logic is already part of your workflow, it makes sense to use what speeds things up and gives you the best results. Patience might be key here, and when the desktop update finally drops, hopefully, it delivers that balance between standalone and desktop integration that we’re all hoping for!
@ agreed!
I have so many gadgets, phone and midi keyboard is beating my akai setup
If your phone and MIDI keyboard setup is outshining your Akai gear, that says a lot about how far mobile production and compact setups have come. With powerful apps, cloud storage, and easy integration, sometimes simplicity wins over a more complex setup.
That said, it really depends on your workflow. Akai gear still has its strengths, especially for hands-on beat-making and standalone use, but if your phone and MIDI keyboard are giving you more flexibility and speed, then that’s what matters. At the end of the day, it’s all about what helps you create the best music with the least resistance!
I was hoping NAAM was going to be the introduction but no luck there, I don’t really want to make anything new in the current software because there’s a good chance it might not open correctly in 3.0. One thing I’m sure of is it’s going to be a way better release and version than the Maschine 3.0 was, I actually like the Maschine better to make music but I don’t think they’re going to try to beat or even compete with they’re competitors anymore on a serious level !!!!!!
Yeah, NAAM seemed like the perfect time for an official MPC 3.0 introduction, but no luck there. That uncertainty around project compatibility is a real issue-nobody wants to invest time into new music only to find out it won’t open properly in the updated software. It makes sense to hold off until things are more stable.
I do agree that when it does drop, it’s likely going to be a strong release-definitely better than Maschine 3.0’s rollout. But at the same time, it’s starting to feel like Akai isn’t even trying to compete at that high level anymore. Maschine still has a better music-making workflow for a lot of people, but NI seems to be pulling back from the competition, and Akai might be doing the same. Instead of trying to go head-to-head with the big DAWs, they’re probably just focusing on keeping their existing user base happy.
It’s frustrating because if they really pushed, they could be a dominant force in both standalone and desktop production. But until they prove otherwise, it feels like they’re just playing it safe instead of really innovating. Let’s see what they actually deliver when the time comes!
I don't use my MPC X SE in standalone and never did. Why would I buy the Native Instruments library when I have them already? It makes no sense.
If you don’t use your MPC X SE in standalone and already have the Native Instruments library, there’s really no reason to buy it again. The library is mainly aimed at users who want the convenience of accessing those sounds directly within the MPC workflow, especially in standalone mode. Since that’s not part of your setup, it wouldn’t add much value for you. Makes total sense!
Exactly 👍
Just learn to use key groups on your MPC and you have a VST creator.
@@pap-r2lHUH EXPLAIN 😮
@@pap-r2l
True, key groups on the MPC are super powerful, and you can definitely build your own sounds like a VST creator. That’s one of the coolest things about the MPC-it lets you get hands-on with your samples and create custom instruments directly in the box. But for some people, the convenience and deeper editing options of traditional VSTs in a DAW still have their place. It all depends on the workflow you’re aiming for. Still, key groups are an underrated gem if you take the time to dive in!
I'm thankful because it helped me go back to using studio one again , if they offer mpc 3 desktop im sure they will make us pay for it .
It’s great that the MPC helped you reconnect with Studio One-sometimes stepping back into a DAW brings new inspiration, and having that flexibility with the MPC as a controller really opens up possibilities. As for the MPC 3 Desktop, it’s very likely they’ll charge for it when it’s released, especially if it’s a major update. It’s common for software upgrades like that to come with a price tag, especially if they’re adding significant features. But hopefully, it’ll be worth the investment once it’s fully integrated and works seamlessly with both standalone and desktop workflows. Time will tell!
haha I hear ya brother. Stinks a little bit because you invested so much in third-party tools. I'm been trying to move away from desktop producing. But hopefully they are taking their time and making it solid. Rather than split their developer efforts between standalone, and desktop (Windows/Mac) where a lot of stuff can go wrong, and the product is weaker because they are spread too thin. So when you get MPC 3 for desktop you'll get a smooth experience.
Haha, I feel you, man. It’s definitely frustrating when you've invested so much in third-party tools, but that’s the reality of the industry-sometimes, you have to rely on the stuff that works best for your process. It’s cool that you’re trying to move away from desktop producing, though, and I can respect that approach. I do hope Akai is taking their time with MPC 3 for desktop, rather than spreading their resources too thin across both standalone and desktop versions. That’s a smart way to ensure a smooth experience when the desktop version drops, and I’m hoping that’ll make the wait worth it. Ideally, they’ll make it rock-solid once it’s ready, without the bugs or issues that can come from juggling both platforms. Fingers crossed they deliver a polished update!
Honestly, why do you own a MPC if you don't want to make music stand alone? It would be cheaper to get a MPK.... MPC = Music Production Center.... so it would be Center...... of development... you can just print your stems and do what you want to do....
I get where you're coming from, but the MPC is not just about being standalone-it’s about the flexibility to work in whichever way best suits your workflow. Some of us love the hands-on experience and freedom that standalone gives, but still want the option to integrate with a computer for more complex editing or to use third-party plugins. MPC isn’t limited to just standalone; it’s about choosing the right tool for the right moment. MPK is a great option, but it lacks the full capabilities that an MPC offers, like sequencing and sampling, especially in a hybrid setup. Printing stems is fine, but it doesn’t replace the full potential of using both standalone and desktop together for maximum creative control.
100% agree on this… Ive felt forced too work in standalone nowadays, since i tried it out and loved the workflow so much i cant go bk… meanwhile i also invested in Arturia V Collection X and Arturias FX Collection and a Keylab to ctrl this for my dreamsetup of VSTs and effects that i cant use at all for months now. And i was cool with it. Until they OFFICIALY launched it and still no desktop version or even a word on how it progresses… Just a Word akai! Im dying to use my whole palate!
@ I totally feel you-it’s hard to commit to standalone and fall in love with the workflow, but then feel limited by not being able to use your Arturia VSTs and effects in the MPC 3.0 desktop version. You’ve invested in some serious tools for your dream setup, and the lack of a desktop version and clear updates from Akai is understandably frustrating. You’re not just asking for more features; you want to use the full potential of what you’ve invested in. Hopefully, Akai realizes the demand and pushes out the desktop update soon, because it’s tough when you're ready to dive into your entire creative palette but can’t.
Most of us love using a hybrid setup MPC machine hardware inside of the daw to each and his own no one is right. What works for you. Salute 🫡 to you my brother for the topic and your opinion. Thx
@ Salute! 🫡 You're absolutely right-it’s all about what works for each individual. The beauty of a hybrid setup is that it combines the best of both worlds, giving you the hands-on feel of MPC hardware with the power and flexibility of a DAW. There’s no one-size-fits-all solution in music production-each setup is tailored to the way the artist works best. I appreciate your perspective and your respect for different workflows. Keep doing your thing, and thanks for the thoughtful feedback!
I use desktop so I want it!! That’s it lol I’m not competing with standalone users. I’m talking about what I want lol. Plus the reason I use desktop is because i can load all samples so much easier. I use to do standalone but if i wanted to add layers from multiple samples I’d have to stop, disconnect a USB drive, go to comp, load it, then eject, plug it back in… this is just easier. 😊
That makes total sense! The desktop setup gives you a level of convenience and speed that standalone just can't match when it comes to managing and layering multiple samples. It’s all about what helps you stay in a creative flow without unnecessary interruptions. That process of constantly unplugging, loading samples, and reconnecting is a huge hassle, so it’s no wonder you’ve switched to desktop. Hopefully, Akai recognizes that and gets the desktop version sorted so it can meet all your needs. You’re not alone in wanting this!
Agreed, 1000%! My computer is the core of my all production and recording. If Akai decides to go stand only; I’m selling my Mpcx and just using Ableton\push for now on!!!
I hear you! A computer-centered workflow is still unmatched when it comes to power and flexibility, especially for heavier production and recording needs. If Akai starts leaning too heavily into standalone without addressing the integration side, it could alienate a lot of long-time users like yourself. Ableton with Push is such a solid alternative-deep integration, great updates, and no compromises when it comes to utilizing your computer's full potential. Let’s hope Akai doesn’t lose sight of the balance between standalone and hybrid workflows, or they risk pushing even more users in that direction.
MPC's standalone is also too limited when it comes to: Tracks, Plugins, Audio data, and memory.
MPC3 Desktop needs to bring matching features to what the standalone has, and I fully expect that to be Akai's intent.
Even so, I'm more concerned about what Akai has continually neglected to bring to this touted all-in-one studio production software, that being: VST 3 support, PDC (plug-in delay compensation), instrument/track freeze, and spacial audio... As a shortlist
You hit on some major points. The standalone MPCs are powerful, but they definitely have their limitations-especially when it comes to track count, plugins, audio data, and memory. That’s why MPC 3 Desktop needs to not only match the standalone features but also expand on them. If Akai is serious about making it a true hybrid production environment, they have to ensure the desktop version isn’t just an afterthought.
But beyond just matching standalone, Akai really needs to address the long-overdue features that have been missing from their so-called “all-in-one studio.” VST3 support, proper plug-in delay compensation (PDC), instrument/track freeze, and spatial audio aren’t just nice-to-haves anymore-they’re industry standards. If Akai wants to compete seriously in the software space, they need to step up and deliver these essential features instead of just pushing new hardware. At this point, it's about more than just catching up-it’s about proving that MPC software can be a true powerhouse on its own. Hopefully, they’re listening!
I see your MPC in standalone mode running 3.x. lol If software is what you rely on then why is your MPC not running 2.0 with your computer on? There is absolutely nothing in MPC3.0 that you need to make music as MPC2 Software and your MPC in controller mode is equally and more capable.
You make a fair point-MPC 2.0 in controller mode is still incredibly capable, and a lot of people can make music just as effectively with it as they would with MPC 3.0. If software is what you rely on, there's definitely no rush to jump to 3.0 if 2.0 still offers everything you need. The MPC X running 2.0 with controller mode and your computer connected gives you a lot of flexibility and functionality without any of the potential bugs or limitations that might come with 3.0 at first release. The MPC 2.0 software is definitely still a powerhouse for many users, and for some, there’s no need to rush into the 3.0 update if the current workflow is already working perfectly fine.
@@WeCreateMusicTV I went through every single function in MPC3. There is absolutely nothing it offers over MPC2 with an MPC in controller mode. I even had conversations with other MPC software users in case I overlooked something.
In my opinion, standalone MPC users should jump on MPC 3 when it is ready (still buggy). Those who like the MPC 2.x software with the MPC in controller mode, stick with that.
Its coming. I think the delay is new hardware. I say this because the labeling over the buttons have to change now. Like "Program Edit" is no longer needed.
That makes sense, and you might be onto something with the delay being tied to new hardware. If they’re planning updates to the physical interface-like rethinking button labels such as “Program Edit” to align with the new software features-it’s likely they’re trying to future-proof the design for where the MPC ecosystem is headed.
It would explain why things are taking longer, as a new hardware release would require everything to be perfectly integrated and tested. If that’s the case, it could be worth the wait, especially if they’re refining both the software and the hardware to create a more streamlined experience. Excited to see how it all unfolds!
Didn't STEMS come to Desktop first? It was a desktop exclusive for a while and we hardware users had to wait our turn. We weren't happy. I think this is making a mountain out of a molehill. If you can't make music with 2.15 your skills are weak. Switch to Logic or Cubase and quit pretending you're put out because you don't have all the tools.
I have a Force and I'm not crying. I'm still finding creative ways to use it - likely without any future updates. Quit your crying.
Look, I get it-STEMS did come to desktop first, and hardware users had to wait, but that doesn’t change the fact that Akai constantly puts hardware over software. 2.15 is fine. You don’t know what skills I have when it comes to making music, so don’t come at me with the “weak skills” line-that’s not the point here. Logic is my main DAW, and I use it often alongside other tools like the MPC, which is the point of wanting better software integration. The issue isn’t about not being able to make music, it’s about if Akai will be dropping the desktop version or will they leave users who rely on a hybrid setup stuck. So, if you want to talk about crying, maybe check the comments because the frustration with Akai’s lack of updates is very real for a lot of people.
See thats why I kept my MPC Touch updated...Im good with the software, while I run my 37
Smart move! Keeping the MPC Touch updated while running your Key 37 gives you the best of both worlds-solid software integration for detailed work and the Key 37 for hands-on creativity. That setup keeps your workflow versatile and flexible without relying solely on standalone functionality. Honestly, sometimes the software just makes things easier, especially when you need those extra features or smoother routing options. Sounds like you’ve got a solid system in place!
what up with the dark theme need to change that too
A dark theme is pretty standard for music production since it’s easier on the eyes during long sessions. But having the option to switch themes would definitely be a nice touch for those who prefer a lighter interface. A customizable UI could go a long way in improving the user experience, especially for those who don’t vibe with the dark mode. Hopefully, they add more flexibility in future updates!
I have a theory, I feel the reason why Akai and Native Instrument have joined. NI needed help with stem separation, touch screen capability, which maybe coming in the new Maschine . In return Akai gets more software expansions, plugins from Native Instruments. Just my thoughts.
That’s an interesting theory and honestly, it makes a lot of sense! NI has definitely been lagging behind in areas like touch screen integration and advanced features like stem separation, which Akai has already implemented well. Meanwhile, Akai expanding its sound library and plugin offerings through Native Instruments would be a huge win for them. This partnership could be about both companies filling in each other’s gaps to push their products further. If your theory holds, a new Maschine with those capabilities could really shake things up. Definitely something to keep an eye on!
Just keep it real...Akai is going to discontinue Akai Force, so they repackage that software(Akai Force) and made MPC3. having two different softwares makes no sense. Not for me...
I see where you're coming from. It feels like Akai could be slowly shifting focus away from the Akai Force, and repackaging that software into MPC 3 could be a way to streamline things. Having two separate software platforms doesn’t really make sense in the long run, especially when the Force and MPC have so many overlapping features. If they merge those experiences, it could give users the best of both worlds without the need for multiple pieces of software. I get why you’d feel that way-it's all about simplicity and making sure everything works cohesively, not having things feel redundant.