"I've been in 50 professional tournaments. But could you stop doing a perfectly legal move and give me a ball that I can hit easily to win a point in this competition for money? And please, please, please don't target me either. OK?
Leigh: Don't use an effective strategy against me! I don't want to have to make any adjustments. Hit the ball right to me. The unsportmanship came from Leigh by trying to verbally intimidate her opponents.
Pickleball won't be taken seriously until they get rid of these "Senior Center" rules. If a player wants to yell at himself, let him. If a player wants to break her paddle let her. Lob all day. Drill the opponent 18 times. hit every single ball at the weakest player. It works for Tennis, NFL, MLB etc. It's a competition not a birthday party.
its a casual sport for overweight people who cant move, it will never be taken seriously ever. the only people who play are those who dont even take themselves seriously lol
@@nchambers007 Best efforts: A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament. Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000 for each violation. For purposes of this rule, the supervisor and/or the chair umpire shall have the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior.
@@longtimelo It's not your opponents job to give you an easy time. If it's a competitive game then they should be trying to win, and attacking any weaknesses that you might have in your game.
It’s easily the stupidest complaint in pickleball. The absolute only reason to NOT use the lob, is playing against a mobility challenged player. I won’t lob it then, because I don’t want them to fall backwards. Everyone else, however, it’s lob on!!!
@@robertdrake48 I understand your feelings. However, when playing with friends, I don’t want to be the reason they get hurt. Tournament, or bragging rights, everything is fair game…including a drive serve at the non receiving partner. Man I love getting a point on that!!!
@@rraymond2007 Seriously, f*+# you for not lobbing against a "mobility challenged player". You goal is to win and you have to exploit your opponent's weaknesses. It's like playing boxing and avoiding body shots because your opponent decided to challenge you with a broken rib. You shouldn't care.
@@hus390 if I needed to use the shot to win, I would. I was merely stating that I won’t use it if I think it could hurt my opponent (whom is also my friend) and I don’t need it to win. I’m guessing I would be happy to lob against you all day…even in the bright sun.
When I started playing pickleball, I was advised (they were genuinely being nice) by the opposite team to always be close to the net because lobs are ineffective in pickleball, however I have always used lobs in tennis so I lobbed them a lot in that match and they lost.
Agreed. What I have found is that it's the people that don't like to chase down lobs due to their physical limitations. Definitely a time and place for lobs.
It's like beating your grandfather in tennis with drop shots... just don't do it. So cool that you can lob someone who can't change direction and is just trying to get some exercise in or have fun. The purpose of sport is to have fun and appreciate the competition not dumpster Arleen who can't change direction because she had 2 hip replacements and is just getting back to being active.
@chefwannabe1 As you play more advanced players, they dink so much and so well that it is very difficult to play those spins, slices and lobs. Hence the advice to commit to the kitchen. It works well with advanced players.
I played tennis in HS so am pretty good with lobs. Played some pickup games at a local spot and one dude was squawking about lobs after we won. He was young and could move, no sun involved, he just didn't like them. It's just a shot like any other, and if it works you use it. In a tournament like these ladies are playing, you use what is effective. And if you get in their head, you amp it up.
hahahaha I played a game when i was at school that means absolutely nothing, everyone played games as school kids and you're trying to flex about it, clearly lacking in life
If she doesnt like getting lobbed, maybe she should practice that more since it is obviously a challenge for her. The other team is doing the right thing.
@@cutoverpark9596 Yes. We only have one pair of eyes that we get to keep for our whole life. You don't want to cause someone permanent eye damage by looking into the sun
@@CyberSonic157 Then don’t play outdoor sports,I play golf professionally so if I’m hitting into the sun on a hole should I just pick up my bal, and walk off crying that it’s not fair,Wake up what’s wrong with you…🤦🏼♀️
Great strategy from the other team, once your opponent starts to lose their composure like Waters did, keep doing it….. that’s called getting the mental edge against your opponent….Good Coaches will teach that strategy of finding your opponents weakness and exploit it and if you can get them to lose their cool, you got them right where you want them!!!! It’s the job of Leigh Waters NOT to show the frustration to her opponents, that’s why the daughter pulled her away, great move from the daughter, love this stuff!!!!!
@@10scoach33 Obviously, it wasn't such a "great strategy" since they lost the match. Trying to fry your opponents' retinas shot after shot is a cheap tactic used by players with less talent.
@@waynemilligan6649 the only reason they won the match is because the younger Waters kept her Moms outburst in check, she did a great job in not letting the other teams strategy get in her head, cuz I guarantee if she had it would of been a different outcome…
This lobbing tactic is clearly not fair to her. I'm sure this has triggered some PTSD moment from her past memory. Some type of shade system should be constructed to help her through this or they should agree to stop keeping score. Don't they understand that by one team winning, one team has to lose? They are holding an event that will end with two people loosing. Tell me, how is she supposed to deal with that?
Says nobody who plays at the competitive level. Lobs work vs the mobility impaired and that's about it. Lobbing someone who is mobility impaired is very much frowned on so don't do it.
@@Jimboslice1776 100% mad because of the sun. I'm just saying that lobs are not used at the highest level of play that often. It's risky and often ends in the ball getting smashed at your feet. Edit: The bit about mobility issues was added because I see the lob used way too much when seniors play and it is frowned upon by the more veteran players.
@@300andDeadStraight I would disagree with that notion; the lob is becoming an important tool in the arsenal of a lot of pros. AJ Koller and Matt Wright, for example, use the lob a lot as a means to change the pace and surprise their opponents. The lob in general is being used more and more when compared to its usage in years prior as well as a means to take pace off of the ball and to give you a chance to recover as well. I fully expect most pros to learn how to lob effectively in the coming years
@@americanodude Watch a men's double match and tell me how many times they lob (of the 200 + shots in a given set you might have 5 lobs). Key word - MIGHT. The lob is effective as a surprise and will therefore be less and less effective the more it is used by definition. If you need to hit a recovery, the key is to maximize the margins to ensure you don't immediately lose the point. Lobs have very little margin so yeah that statement just doesn't hold. Edit: Pros already know how to lob effectively - maybe once per set.
In pickleball's embrace, the lob I adore, An underrated gem, it often does more. Half the time, my opponents dismay, Misses or nets, as lobs have their say. A shot of finesse, reaching for the sky, Oh, how the lobs can make rivals sigh. Underrated heroes, they shine in the court, With graceful arcs, they hold a special thwart.
The Waters are very kind people and maybe she was just having a bad day. Everybody looses their patience on the court at sometime. Keep winning ladies!!!!
Sunglasses exist 💀 Literally have never heard of a pro tennis player complain about a player lobing because the sun was in their eyes 💀 Complain if the court was made east to west instead of north to south if you want. But that's the only thing you should should complain about.
Baseball caps and golf visors exist as well. Having to look into the sun to find a small ball is a well-known problem in baseball and golf so they have invested literally centuries-old solutions for it
Ehhhh someone else actually knowing how to design courts. It looks like the courts are not facing the right way - if you look at the shadows, they are almost 180 degrees from the way ALW is facing which is a sign the courts are facing E/W instead of N/S.
The Waters won this match and went on to win the Gold Medal. Urging the crowd to support their lobs into the sun and taunting Leigh was low-rent garbage.
So is running out the clock in football unethical? Using the full shot clock in a basketball game or stalling if there's not one in use unethical? How about targeting a poor free throw shooter in order to get possession of the ball when you are behind? How about penalizing players who whine about opponents playing within the rules? That sounds more reasonable to me!
Outside the kitchen the court is 15 feet. You see them lobbying you back up and let the ball bounce. I don’t like in social rec play people do that. So we will switch at six and I’ll do it right back to you
I'd be frustrated too, they are sending that ball right into the sun, taking advantage of the prevailing conditions. Presumably they have to swap sides part way through to make the effect equal.
This is literally the same complaint as if a team dinked so well and so often. It's a tournament, if you show an obvious weakness, they will exploit it. You would do the exact same
Dude, I agree. And a lot of these comments are saying it's a dirty move to lob into the sun. I'm sure it's also dirty to use the wind to your advantage.
@World Viewer this isn't tennis, don't think you are a pickleball pro. If her mom had the problem seeing the ball, the daughter could retrieve the lob. As a tennis pro you already know a pickleball court is much smaller, and you are already standing at least 7 feet from the net. This leaves 15 more feet from the "kitchen" to the baseline. Anna is the top woman's singles player, she can definitely chase down some lobs for her mom. Getting mad and cursing out your opponents for using lobs is out of line. This isn't the Patrick McEnroe vs Jimmy Connors days.
I absolutely hate lob shots....cause no matter how much i try/practice them i just cant figure it out...its a much more difficult shot to hit correctly than people think...
As a semi-pro tennis player I used to think the same way " I'll wipe the court with these quote: Athletes " Until a semi-pro pickleball player proved me wrong And served me a generous dose of humble pie Highly recommend you try some, though it's not so delicious
This is an EXCELLENT example why many seasoned tennis players despise pickleball. First, the elements, including the sun, are part of the game. While it may be considered poor sportsmanship to lob into the sun during a friendly pick-up game at your local neighborhood park (especially against older opponents who may not see or move well), it is otherwise a perfectly legitimate shot (most especially during a competitive tournament match). Also, in recent years (especially since the onset of the pandemic), pickleball has become increasingly popular among younger generational cohorts, who have more than earned a reputation for being lazy and entitled. In this case, Waters is super-lazy for not going after the lob, and super-entitled for being angry about being lobbed (notice how I just casually threw-in "super" a couple of times, just for good measure) (:
@@bluestarthecommunist5175 Yeah I dont know where this guy gets off saying "seasoned tennis players despise pickleball". As someone who actually plays tennis, I love both sports. I cant stop playing pickleball now. I've been lobbed plenty of times in pickleball, people that whine and complain about lobs either one cant hit an overhead properly or two they're too weak to put it away. People have only lobbed me ONCE. Never twice because once you punish them for throwing the ball up like that, they learn. Leigh is being a whiny little bitch and OP clearly doesn't play tennis OR pickleball at all, much less play in the sun.
Is there a rule that says you can't lob the ball on one side of the court if your opponents can't see because of the sun? I play tennis and this strategy is used all the time, never heard anyone complain about it in 30 years of playing.
I play tennis. Dabbled in badminton. Can't stand badminton player's egos. Since badminton is easy to learn everyone thinks they're better than everyone else hence the egos. I foresee the same attitude is prevalent in pickleball. Tennis will teach u humility coz it takes a half year before u learn to play on court.
I can't stand tennis players ego, they always like to gatekeep other racket sports for no reason. In short, tennis is the most land wasting sport right after golf.
People who play outdoor sports enjoy pain, suffering, and randomness. Don’t like playing a smash blinded by the sun? Try playing a 5 set grand slam match in July.
Ohhh…at first I thought she was just being a cry baby, but the opposing team kept hitting high to blind the other player with the sun…hmm…yeah, I would be pissed too
Someone should invent a device that you wear over your eyes to block the sun But seriously, I believe they switch sides periodically, which balances out sun and wind factors
If she really couldn’t see it let it come down for a bounce no? New to pickle ball and I know the balls don’t bounce terribly high but I gotta believe it’ll bounce enough to justify avoiding the sun
This is hilarious! How can she take this sport seriously enough to have a meltdown? So entertaining! Thank you for posting this video. Keep them coming.
This goes to show how pickle ball is not a sport for sports people. It is a recreational activity to get exercise. There is not one sports person in the world that would agree with this brat. The fact that you bring up your weakness mid game. I would do it all the more. Imagine if a tennis player said out loudly. Don't serve to back backhand. Or a MMA fighter say my left arm has muscle spasm don't hit me there.
It's also for those who are in better health, better bones, little to no injuries and usually much younger, but at the same time tennis players are weak with strength and long distance running. I like PB because it doesn't tear up my knees and ankles that I need for power lifting and Spartan races.
So true! Sometimes we’re just having a bad day because maybe something is bothering us internally..we have no idea how she’s really feeling inside. That’s not to excuse her behavior but maybe for us to have a bit more empathy for whatever she’s feeling. It happens to all of us!
@@Christina4758 Annnnd the LeBron Fangurls are heard from. LeBron James is the most overrated "star" player in the history of all four major North American sports. Also the softest and most emotionally fragile. He has yet to win a title with a team that he hasn't been able to hand-pick the roster for, and he has played on teams where his hand-picked roster has sucked. Bird and Magic would have eaten him alive, and the Bad Boy Pistons would have had him curled up in a fetal position at half court after one half of having to deal with Rodman, Mahorn and Laimbeer. It's not too much of a reach to say that of all the "stars" that have played in the NBA, LeBron might be the biggest p-ssy and crybaby ever.
Just wait till it bounces??? It's not that simple. If you can't see it, you can't track it and if you can't track it you won't know until the last minute where it is going to bounce. If you even catch a glimpse of the sun you will see spots for a few minutes, not the ball. You have two options Track the trajectory as much as you can without being blinded by the sun and guess where it is going to bounce. Block the sun with your cap in one hand but that is harder to do without being blinded than it sounds. One of my university professors was an Navy ACE in WW2. A common tactic on both sides (when you see your enemy first) was to maneuver so as to fly toward your enemy with the sun at your back. When scanning the sky for enemy aircraft, fighter pilots would close one eye and block the son with their thumb. If they saw wingtips sticking out on the side of their thumb they were about to be shot if they didn't react immediately.
So they took paddleball paddles and a whiffle ball, shrunk the tennis court, and came up with a game that could be played with enjoyment by the over-70 crowd. How the heck did “professional pickleball” emerge from this? Ridiculous
The lob has its place, especially in tournament play. If it works, do it until it stops working. At rec play you see it from a lot of lower skilled players about every third time they touch the ball. Whenever i play pickleball i want to improve my game. However, chasing lobs is really a waste of time, unless that is where you need to practice. Id much rather have someone who can play ball attack my backhand side with a nasty 3rd shot drive or drop.
i play with a certain opponent, and every serve is a lob. every return, he tries to spin it, which ends up in the net. it's like a laundry mat. 'lob & spin'. it's no fun.
@@Christina4758 She's young playing a game developed for seniors. I'm not that impressed, nor should other seniors be. Anna Leigh should be playing tennis if she wants a challenge.
She was complaining about the lobs. I was there and Anna was obnoxious. A lot of the crowd was cheering against her after her display of bad sportsmanship/ temper tantrum.
I don't know if they still play together but you have to feel for the daughter. Any match of theirs I've seen her mom is just giving away easy points over and over again. Hopefully she has found a more skilled partner.
"I've been in 50 professional tournaments. But could you stop doing a perfectly legal move and give me a ball that I can hit easily to win a point in this competition for money? And please, please, please don't target me either. OK?
You Rule!
Leigh: Don't use an effective strategy against me! I don't want to have to make any adjustments. Hit the ball right to me. The unsportmanship came from Leigh by trying to verbally intimidate her opponents.
Pickleball won't be taken seriously until they get rid of these "Senior Center" rules. If a player wants to yell at himself, let him. If a player wants to break her paddle let her. Lob all day. Drill the opponent 18 times. hit every single ball at the weakest player. It works for Tennis, NFL, MLB etc. It's a competition not a birthday party.
its a casual sport for overweight people who cant move, it will never be taken seriously ever. the only people who play are those who dont even take themselves seriously lol
those unwritten rules don't apply in competition. just in friendlies.
Pickleball won't be taken seriously, until they ditch the name Pickleball. A lot of bullshit drama over nothing!
I like the name.@@Mark-pp7jy
@@tod5098 Not according to Leigh Waters.
You don't need to hit a lob out of the air, if the sun is shining at you let it bounce then hit a drop shot back
bingoooooo
but that’s not fair! the sun is burning my eyes. 🫣
Could you stop trying to win, even though it’s completely legal?
Please only make the shots that I want you to make. That is all.
Its not legal. You must make "best effort" or its against the rules
Serena would call racism
@@yaqarm8822 rule #?
@@nchambers007
Best efforts:
A player shall use his best efforts during the match when competing in a tournament.
Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine up to $10,000
for each violation.
For purposes of this rule, the supervisor and/or the chair umpire shall have
the authority to penalize a player in accordance with the Point Penalty
Schedule. In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the
success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this
section shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior.
I’d keep lobbing now that I know you hate it.
You sound fun.(not)
@@longtimelo if someone is throwing a fit about a particular thing you are doing. They aren’t in the right mind. So keep it up.
@@longtimelo It's not your opponents job to give you an easy time. If it's a competitive game then they should be trying to win, and attacking any weaknesses that you might have in your game.
It’s easily the stupidest complaint in pickleball. The absolute only reason to NOT use the lob, is playing against a mobility challenged player. I won’t lob it then, because I don’t want them to fall backwards. Everyone else, however, it’s lob on!!!
As a mobility challenged player, it insults me when people don't play lobs. Those are called pity points. Nothing to fell pious about.
@@robertdrake48 I understand your feelings. However, when playing with friends, I don’t want to be the reason they get hurt. Tournament, or bragging rights, everything is fair game…including a drive serve at the non receiving partner. Man I love getting a point on that!!!
@@escapedfromnewyork And there it is...
@@rraymond2007 Seriously, f*+# you for not lobbing against a "mobility challenged player". You goal is to win and you have to exploit your opponent's weaknesses. It's like playing boxing and avoiding body shots because your opponent decided to challenge you with a broken rib. You shouldn't care.
@@hus390 if I needed to use the shot to win, I would. I was merely stating that I won’t use it if I think it could hurt my opponent (whom is also my friend) and I don’t need it to win. I’m guessing I would be happy to lob against you all day…even in the bright sun.
When I started playing pickleball, I was advised (they were genuinely being nice) by the opposite team to always be close to the net because lobs are ineffective in pickleball, however I have always used lobs in tennis so I lobbed them a lot in that match and they lost.
You totally fucked them over bro. Excellent. Show no mercy
Agreed. What I have found is that it's the people that don't like to chase down lobs due to their physical limitations. Definitely a time and place for lobs.
It's like beating your grandfather in tennis with drop shots... just don't do it. So cool that you can lob someone who can't change direction and is just trying to get some exercise in or have fun. The purpose of sport is to have fun and appreciate the competition not dumpster Arleen who can't change direction because she had 2 hip replacements and is just getting back to being active.
@chefwannabe1 As you play more advanced players, they dink so much and so well that it is very difficult to play those spins, slices and lobs. Hence the advice to commit to the kitchen. It works well with advanced players.
@@300andDeadStraightsorry to hear about your ailments
Anna Leigh Waters shows a lot of maturity in sports for her age. Good job Dad 😂
But her Mom doesn't...
Anna will try use the strategy…
what maturity? she is a crybaby
@@JT-wu2if irony
@@JT-wu2if No bro. The mom is Leigh Waters and she was the one griping. The daughter, Anna Leigh, did not complain. So learn before you pop off.
She was overcompensating for her embarrassment.
I played tennis in HS so am pretty good with lobs. Played some pickup games at a local spot and one dude was squawking about lobs after we won. He was young and could move, no sun involved, he just didn't like them. It's just a shot like any other, and if it works you use it. In a tournament like these ladies are playing, you use what is effective. And if you get in their head, you amp it up.
Basically their complaint is "don't keep using a shot that I can't return. 😂😂😂 I'd just tell them it's a legal shot like any other, so, deal with it!
hahahaha I played a game when i was at school that means absolutely nothing, everyone played games as school kids and you're trying to flex about it, clearly lacking in life
Seems that would just bring more lobs, but that’s just me.
I bet Anna Leigh was mortified. Parents are embarrassing enough when you are a teenager but when your Mom makes a scene - oy!
If she doesnt like getting lobbed, maybe she should practice that more since it is obviously a challenge for her. The other team is doing the right thing.
how do you practice being able to see through sunlight?
That's not the issue though. The sun is facing her, so you literally can't track those balls without getting blinded.
@@CyberSonic157So are you saying that the opponents shouldn’t Lob because of the sun?
@@cutoverpark9596 Yes. We only have one pair of eyes that we get to keep for our whole life. You don't want to cause someone permanent eye damage by looking into the sun
@@CyberSonic157 Then don’t play outdoor sports,I play golf professionally so if I’m hitting into the sun on a hole should I just pick up my bal, and walk off crying that it’s not fair,Wake up what’s wrong with you…🤦🏼♀️
Poor baby. Where’s a pacifier when you need one. LOL
What's next? Don't hit the ball to my backhand!!!!
umpire I want to complain because they hit the ball a meter away from me and that's not fair "WAAAAAAAHHHHH"
Great strategy from the other team, once your opponent starts to lose their composure like Waters did, keep doing it….. that’s called getting the mental edge against your opponent….Good Coaches will teach that strategy of finding your opponents weakness and exploit it and if you can get them to lose their cool, you got them right where you want them!!!! It’s the job of Leigh Waters NOT to show the frustration to her opponents, that’s why the daughter pulled her away, great move from the daughter, love this stuff!!!!!
You know that the Waters won this match and then went on to win the gold medal .... riiight?
@@waynemilligan6649 sure…..what’s your point? That it’s ok to act like that as long as you win?
@@10scoach33 Obviously, it wasn't such a "great strategy" since they lost the match. Trying to fry your opponents' retinas shot after shot is a cheap tactic used by players with less talent.
@@waynemilligan6649 the only reason they won the match is because the younger Waters kept her Moms outburst in check, she did a great job in not letting the other teams strategy get in her head, cuz I guarantee if she had it would of been a different outcome…
@@waynemilligan6649 Nobody was forcing her to try to hit overhead volleys. She could have just waited for the ball to to bounce before she hit it.
This lobbing tactic is clearly not fair to her. I'm sure this has triggered some PTSD moment from her past memory. Some type of shade system should be constructed to help her through this or they should agree to stop keeping score. Don't they understand that by one team winning, one team has to lose? They are holding an event that will end with two people loosing. Tell me, how is she supposed to deal with that?
She can jump onto pa’s lap for comfort
I think the lob is very under rated and will become more and more a part of the game.
Says nobody who plays at the competitive level. Lobs work vs the mobility impaired and that's about it. Lobbing someone who is mobility impaired is very much frowned on so don't do it.
@@300andDeadStraight Calm down there Pickleball keyboard ⌨️ Warrior! Lobs are really effective at any level.
@@Jimboslice1776 100% mad because of the sun. I'm just saying that lobs are not used at the highest level of play that often. It's risky and often ends in the ball getting smashed at your feet.
Edit: The bit about mobility issues was added because I see the lob used way too much when seniors play and it is frowned upon by the more veteran players.
@@300andDeadStraight I would disagree with that notion; the lob is becoming an important tool in the arsenal of a lot of pros. AJ Koller and Matt Wright, for example, use the lob a lot as a means to change the pace and surprise their opponents. The lob in general is being used more and more when compared to its usage in years prior as well as a means to take pace off of the ball and to give you a chance to recover as well. I fully expect most pros to learn how to lob effectively in the coming years
@@americanodude Watch a men's double match and tell me how many times they lob (of the 200 + shots in a given set you might have 5 lobs). Key word - MIGHT. The lob is effective as a surprise and will therefore be less and less effective the more it is used by definition. If you need to hit a recovery, the key is to maximize the margins to ensure you don't immediately lose the point. Lobs have very little margin so yeah that statement just doesn't hold.
Edit: Pros already know how to lob effectively - maybe once per set.
In pickleball's embrace, the lob I adore,
An underrated gem, it often does more.
Half the time, my opponents dismay,
Misses or nets, as lobs have their say.
A shot of finesse, reaching for the sky,
Oh, how the lobs can make rivals sigh.
Underrated heroes, they shine in the court,
With graceful arcs, they hold a special thwart.
AI is so cool
Im so glad to hear the commentators actively calling out this nonsense instead of just saying what happened.
If they’re the best women’s doubles team in the world, they should have no problem letting a lob drop, then hitting a winner, or a good drop..
It doesn't matter how good you are, it's going to be difficult to return a lob if it's right in the sun. You'll get blinded.
@@CyberSonic157 so? it's no use complaining, just get used to it and don't get upset.
@@CyberSonic157someone needs to come up with a device that you wear over your eyes that blocks sunlight
For anyone wondering, the Waters ended up winning the third game and eventually the entire championship. So much for karma.
Who really cares? Whe fun here is that she made a complete fool out of herself, what was her name again, Karen Waters?
Karma has never been real.
She'll find a real sport eventually
She has sunglasses and a hat. Also, let it bounce!
Absolutely! Either go up after it, or chase it down. Stop crying!
So.... Which team won?
why am i not surprised she’s a karen
Oh!
this is like getting mad because your opponent keeps hitting your weaker backhand in tennis..
The Waters are very kind people and maybe she was just having a bad day. Everybody looses their patience on the court at sometime. Keep winning ladies!!!!
they have nice honkers
....she's just lacking a bit of maturity, right?
They have displayed unkind things a few times. It’s okay though. They are just humans after all.
Sunglasses exist 💀
Literally have never heard of a pro tennis player complain about a player lobing because the sun was in their eyes 💀
Complain if the court was made east to west instead of north to south if you want. But that's the only thing you should should complain about.
Baseball caps and golf visors exist as well. Having to look into the sun to find a small ball is a well-known problem in baseball and golf so they have invested literally centuries-old solutions for it
Ehhhh someone else actually knowing how to design courts. It looks like the courts are not facing the right way - if you look at the shadows, they are almost 180 degrees from the way ALW is facing which is a sign the courts are facing E/W instead of N/S.
What tournament was this and how can I watch it in its entirety?
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The Waters won this match and went on to win the Gold Medal. Urging the crowd to support their lobs into the sun and taunting Leigh was low-rent garbage.
@@waynemilligan6649 so what was Leigh's behavior? Also low rent garbage, right?
So is running out the clock in football unethical? Using the full shot clock in a basketball game or stalling if there's not one in use unethical? How about targeting a poor free throw shooter in order to get possession of the ball when you are behind? How about penalizing players who whine about opponents playing within the rules? That sounds more reasonable to me!
Does anyone know Exactly what was said i know the response but what did she say?
Outside the kitchen the court is 15 feet. You see them lobbying you back up and let the ball bounce. I don’t like in social rec play people do that. So we will switch at six and I’ll do it right back to you
I'd be frustrated too, they are sending that ball right into the sun, taking advantage of the prevailing conditions. Presumably they have to swap sides part way through to make the effect equal.
In recreational play, I would definitely avoid it. In competition, you go for it.
How does it feel losing?
Who won the match?
The Waters so they won anyway.
I was in the next town watching a professional lawn dart tournament, but I hear about this.
This is literally the same complaint as if a team dinked so well and so often. It's a tournament, if you show an obvious weakness, they will exploit it. You would do the exact same
It’s one thing to be mad that you missed a shot, but mad at the opponent for lobbing ??
same energy as booker mad at double teams in open gyms, just this is an actual tournament
I love the Waters. But c'mon momma Waters. No bullies allowed
she has nice honkers though
@@cw9282 I promise they don’t make any noises.
Can't handle a lob ? Good thing your in pickleball and not tennis because I can't imagine how she would handle a moon ball. What a joke.
Dude, I agree.
And a lot of these comments are saying it's a dirty move to lob into the sun.
I'm sure it's also dirty to use the wind to your advantage.
Is it supposed to say lobs or loss?
The strategy should have changed to Anna will take all the lobs. She can definitely cover the court.
@World Viewer this isn't tennis, don't think you are a pickleball pro. If her mom had the problem seeing the ball, the daughter could retrieve the lob. As a tennis pro you already know a pickleball court is much smaller, and you are already standing at least 7 feet from the net. This leaves 15 more feet from the "kitchen" to the baseline. Anna is the top woman's singles player, she can definitely chase down some lobs for her mom. Getting mad and cursing out your opponents for using lobs is out of line. This isn't the Patrick McEnroe vs Jimmy Connors days.
@World Viewer watch carefully Grasshopper. She can't return the lob because the sun was in her eyes. That's why see was failing. The sun.
Put a couple of lobs away instead of whiffing and that will cut down on the number of lobs you see, I guarantee it LOL . . .
Sorry, but the current rules are making Pickleball a game and not a sport. The rules need to be changed!
I absolutely hate lob shots....cause no matter how much i try/practice them i just cant figure it out...its a much more difficult shot to hit correctly than people think...
Run to get in front of the ball, let it bounce, wait for it to come down around waist height and then hit it like any other shot.
Let it bounce, whenever possible.
And if you use your finger to point at the ball until you hit it, you’ll have better focus as to where the ball is 🤓😎
This is why I have stayed with tennis. The lob is respected. Pickleball has people thinking they are great athletes. Tennis would destroy them.
Pickle ball allows for more people to be on a common level with more advantages thrown out.
As a semi-pro tennis player I used to think the same way
" I'll wipe the court with these quote: Athletes "
Until a semi-pro pickleball player proved me wrong
And served me a generous dose of humble pie
Highly recommend you try some, though it's not so delicious
This is an EXCELLENT example why many seasoned tennis players despise pickleball. First, the elements, including the sun, are part of the game. While it may be considered poor sportsmanship to lob into the sun during a friendly pick-up game at your local neighborhood park (especially against older opponents who may not see or move well), it is otherwise a perfectly legitimate shot (most especially during a competitive tournament match). Also, in recent years (especially since the onset of the pandemic), pickleball has become increasingly popular among younger generational cohorts, who have more than earned a reputation for being lazy and entitled. In this case, Waters is super-lazy for not going after the lob, and super-entitled for being angry about being lobbed (notice how I just casually threw-in "super" a couple of times, just for good measure) (:
the elemnts are a part of tennis too
@@bluestarthecommunist5175 Yeah I dont know where this guy gets off saying "seasoned tennis players despise pickleball". As someone who actually plays tennis, I love both sports. I cant stop playing pickleball now. I've been lobbed plenty of times in pickleball, people that whine and complain about lobs either one cant hit an overhead properly or two they're too weak to put it away. People have only lobbed me ONCE. Never twice because once you punish them for throwing the ball up like that, they learn. Leigh is being a whiny little bitch and OP clearly doesn't play tennis OR pickleball at all, much less play in the sun.
I play both dork
I grew up playing tennis and love ping pong. Just started pickle ball last week, and I see why so many people love it. Wish I had played sooner.
Just let it bounce if you can't see it in the sun.
Look at the shadows... she was complaining because they were lobbing the ball into the sun 🌞. She wasn't complaining about simple lobs...
Is there a rule that says you can't lob the ball on one side of the court if your opponents can't see because of the sun? I play tennis and this strategy is used all the time, never heard anyone complain about it in 30 years of playing.
It’s about sportsmanship. It also tends to reflect a lack of skill or confidence in one’s ability to win without resorting to such tactics.
And your point is?
I play tennis. Dabbled in badminton. Can't stand badminton player's egos. Since badminton is easy to learn everyone thinks they're better than everyone else hence the egos. I foresee the same attitude is prevalent in pickleball. Tennis will teach u humility coz it takes a half year before u learn to play on court.
Points well made. I agree!
I can't stand tennis players ego, they always like to gatekeep other racket sports for no reason. In short, tennis is the most land wasting sport right after golf.
What sport is this?
People who play outdoor sports enjoy pain, suffering, and randomness. Don’t like playing a smash blinded by the sun? Try playing a 5 set grand slam match in July.
ALW like “dad you deal with this hot mess, I can’t even.”
Ohhh…at first I thought she was just being a cry baby, but the opposing team kept hitting high to blind the other player with the sun…hmm…yeah, I would be pissed too
Someone should invent a device that you wear over your eyes to block the sun
But seriously, I believe they switch sides periodically, which balances out sun and wind factors
Reminds me of kids I’d beat in HS/college who got mad at me for hitting a drop shot winner.
You gonna be mad at the WAY I beat you?
Lmao
If she really couldn’t see it let it come down for a bounce no? New to pickle ball and I know the balls don’t bounce terribly high but I gotta believe it’ll bounce enough to justify avoiding the sun
This is hilarious! How can she take this sport seriously enough to have a meltdown?
So entertaining! Thank you for posting this video. Keep them coming.
I guess because it's a paid tournament.
@@sasho888prm
Burn!
Pickleball, like a lot of other sports, disinhibits human’s desire for sadistic pleasure pretty often.
Mm yes, indubitably
just winning a point, nothing sadistic about it oh thy vitctim
0:57
Oh, and now she's the victim.
This goes to show how pickle ball is not a sport for sports people. It is a recreational activity to get exercise. There is not one sports person in the world that would agree with this brat. The fact that you bring up your weakness mid game. I would do it all the more. Imagine if a tennis player said out loudly. Don't serve to back backhand. Or a MMA fighter say my left arm has muscle spasm don't hit me there.
This is why Pickleball is a joke
Pickleball = tennis for adults who don't want to invest the time and energy into actually learning tennis.
It's also for those who are in better health, better bones, little to no injuries and usually much younger, but at the same time tennis players are weak with strength and long distance running.
I like PB because it doesn't tear up my knees and ankles that I need for power lifting and Spartan races.
Quit giving them balls to lob if you can’t hit overheads.
Leigh Waters is human. What a shock.
Exactly.
So true! Sometimes we’re just having a bad day because maybe something is bothering us internally..we have no idea how she’s really feeling inside. That’s not to excuse her behavior but maybe for us to have a bit more empathy for whatever she’s feeling. It happens to all of us!
Pickleball is such a dumb sport that people get mad for having to move the smallest amount to hit an easy ball.
This better not ever become an olympic sport.
😂right?!!
Imagine expecting mercy just because it's noon. Don't get mad. Thank your opponent for the idea. Plot to return the favor after the change over.
Her teammate to the coach “go talk to this *****” 😂
Who is recording this there are basically the families of the 4 participants in the stands lol
What is this? It looks like full size ping pong.
And here I thought LeBron was a crybaby. Man this is ridiculous. It's called strategy. If you can't hack it then don't play.
LeBron is a king.
@@Christina4758 Annnnd the LeBron Fangurls are heard from.
LeBron James is the most overrated "star" player in the history of all four major North American sports. Also the softest and most emotionally fragile. He has yet to win a title with a team that he hasn't been able to hand-pick the roster for, and he has played on teams where his hand-picked roster has sucked.
Bird and Magic would have eaten him alive, and the Bad Boy Pistons would have had him curled up in a fetal position at half court after one half of having to deal with Rodman, Mahorn and Laimbeer. It's not too much of a reach to say that of all the "stars" that have played in the NBA, LeBron might be the biggest p-ssy and crybaby ever.
This is why I have no respect for competitive pickleball.
“Don’t lob me into the sun!” Hahahahah peckerball. Try tennis honey.
Just wait till it bounces???
It's not that simple. If you can't see it, you can't track it and if you can't track it you won't know until the last minute where it is going to bounce.
If you even catch a glimpse of the sun you will see spots for a few minutes, not the ball.
You have two options
Track the trajectory as much as you can without being blinded by the sun and guess where it is going to bounce.
Block the sun with your cap in one hand but that is harder to do without being blinded than it sounds.
One of my university professors was an Navy ACE in WW2.
A common tactic on both sides (when you see your enemy first) was to maneuver so as to fly toward your enemy with the sun at your back.
When scanning the sky for enemy aircraft, fighter pilots would close one eye and block the son with their thumb. If they saw wingtips sticking out on the side of their thumb they were about to be shot if they didn't react immediately.
Odoth enters the TH-cam content realm! 👍
with a nonsensical comment
So they took paddleball paddles and a whiffle ball, shrunk the tennis court, and came up with a game that could be played with enjoyment by the over-70 crowd. How the heck did “professional pickleball” emerge from this? Ridiculous
I mean they have professional cornhole and everything else at this point
The daughter did the right thing go cool off!
The lob has its place, especially in tournament play. If it works, do it until it stops working. At rec play you see it from a lot of lower skilled players about every third time they touch the ball. Whenever i play pickleball i want to improve my game. However, chasing lobs is really a waste of time, unless that is where you need to practice. Id much rather have someone who can play ball attack my backhand side with a nasty 3rd shot drive or drop.
what was happening is the sun was blinding in the direction of the lob so you couldn't see. it had nothing to do with her missing the ball.
The let the ball bounce
i play with a certain opponent, and every serve is a lob. every return, he tries to spin it, which ends up in the net. it's like a laundry mat. 'lob & spin'. it's no fun.
This is ABSOLUTE COMEDY GOLD!!!
SLURP IT UP MAYONNAISE!!!
I couldn't decide to go watch this or go to a cup stacking tournament, so I stayed home and played lawn darts.
All the tennis folk laughing at pickleball players discovering the sun.
Its hard to have fun in the sun !
Looked like the daughter is the boss of that pair.
She is also the better player by far.
@@Christina4758 She's young playing a game developed for seniors. I'm not that impressed, nor should other seniors be. Anna Leigh should be playing tennis if she wants a challenge.
I don't think she was complaining about being lobbed. She was frustrated because the sun was blinding her when she looked up. Too bad...
And being lobbed it was a combination
She was complaining about the lobs. I was there and Anna was obnoxious. A lot of the crowd was cheering against her after her display of bad sportsmanship/ temper tantrum.
Im new to PBall vids. Is crying a part of the sport?
You need to hit the ball right to me so I don't have to move and by the way would you let us win.
Typical Karen behavior....I would love everytime until she figures it out or loses.
In the words of the immortal Furio Giunta on The Sopranos..
STUPIDA FAKKIN GAME
She just showed the other team her weakness tho.
Using the sun because they can’t beat them otherwise…..have a seat you still lost
pickleball fights? ive seen it all.
Sunstrike sucks
I don't know if they still play together but you have to feel for the daughter. Any match of theirs I've seen her mom is just giving away easy points over and over again. Hopefully she has found a more skilled partner.
Leigh - seriously? Great shot - lob under used.
I think she wants to see the manager.