We Made our Lawn Mower Powered Sport Bike STREET LEGAL!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ย. 2024
- Our 2003 Honda 919 converted to run on a Tillotson 225cc lawn mower style engine gets ready for a road trip! Our harbor freight powered motorcycle gets street legal! We wire up the headlight, taillight, brake lights, turn signals, change the gearing for lower RPM at cruising speed, and more! We take the Honda clone based motorcycle out for a test drive!
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If you're wondering why we didn't use a torque converter- wait until the end of the video!
this thing is so funny xD
Oy, that thing needs Shinko 705's! (I know, beating a dead horse 😂😂)
For on road use the Torque converter should hold up just fine. You can gear it even a little higher then too and get a better cruising RPM. I'd rather replace a belt every 200 miles than a motor.
Also, the catch can w/ return hose should be implemented. You can prefill it with a little oil so you keep the correct amount of oil in the engine at all times. The crank case pressure is just going to go up on a motor like that and you will start pumping out more and more oil.
The flasher relay needs to go in between the battery and the switch
Fair experiment with the clutch - but a properly setup CVT should work just fine as well. Snowmobiles run that type of setup (primary/secondary), and they can run the miles without belt issues.
Hey John…. You know you can actually EXTEND the 3/4” Crankshaft to better accommodate the alternator pulley just by drilling out a piece of 3/4” Keyed Stock and installing a long 5/16-24 bolt through the keyed stock and into the end of the crankshaft. Be sure to align the keyway with the crankshaft keyway and install a longer 3/16” KEY to keep the shaft and extension in line. I’ve done this on several applications requiring extra pulleys for accessory drives such as an alternator.
thats a good tip ill keep that stored somewhere in my brain hopefully i remember where when the time comes...
Why the heck have I never thought of this? Thanks for the tip
I'm filing this away in my mind somewhere thanks
I just want to say, adding Charles to the shop, on a regular basis, is amazing. I love Charles! You guys should have your own Hulu show. Seriously. I'd watch EVERY EPISODE on repeat
Glad Charles is part of the team. Enjoying the different personalities on this channel.
ya, hes been an awesome addition!
Pssssh!!!!!
Waaaay better than the first "intern"
Micro-controller. That alternator is putting out AC, thus the need for the external voltage regulator, and why you fried the meter.
Exactly 👍
They probably forgot that alternators produce AC, so they need a rectifier before the voltage regulator. They were trying to measure AC (probably 100volts un-regulated) with the meter set to DC so therefore getting no reading.
Ding ding ding!!
LOL yes unregulated ac voltage on a dc device equals deep fried chips yum.
FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER
@@grandspork6665 full bridge rectum fryer
Especially tractor alternators. Many have built in rectifiers
Charles has the perfect chemistry with John and Isaac. What a great edition to the team
yeah the other guy they had in there didnt fit in at all ....sorry just sayin,i know the feeling i have been there before
The thing that fried in the meter is a microcontroller.
Man, I feel it for Ike. I had two repairs done on my left shoulder in my 20’s and it was hard to deal with back then. I couldn’t imagine having to deal with it in my 40’s, along with messing up my knee. We’re about the same age.
Oh perfect! I love everything you guys do, but this might be my favorite!
Michael Keegan they did and it was cool. But thats a harley this a StreetBike.
@Michael Keegan no CarsAndCamras used a tilstson 225
Hi Tom! When are you going to make a new video now that your drag racing you pick up truck?
The rail is still my favorite.
Needs a turbo though Tom!
If you wired it on the ground side that's your problem because your ground is your common wire so they're actually not separate circuits because all grounds are connected the light is grounded to the frame and so is the battery so that's why it's activating both and not just one
Came here to say the same thing 😂
The father and son style tension between Ike and Charles is hilarious.
Still waiting for Ike asking Charles to hold the flashlight...
Ssshhh, nobody's supposed to know that Charles is Ike's love child!
Make a two speed transmission like rather be welding has made. There's plenty of room. Between top of engine and the frame for one.
Yeah. My thoughts exactly
Or get a cooked dirtbike or small motorcycle engine and remove the engine guts and cut the cases. Nice little trans set up and you can still use the clutch
Why not use a V-twin engine .
@@Ronnie.V.89 this is exactly what I was thinking the other day. You could turn the stator side.
I would run a 190cc pit bike engine. Comes with a 4 speed.
It's back-feedeing thru the ground system.
When everybody says LS swap I don't think they mean Lawnmower Swap lol. Love the idea this could be so much fun and cheap to get on the road.
I love Charles‼️ Rewarded me after hitting my head is exactly the type of thing I always say! (I always hit my head on the lift arms!)
Get a transmission off a Polaris 4 wheeler, I don’t know exactly what size would work best, but I’m thinking a 90cc two stroke, and just chop off the rest of the 2 stroke block and use just the transmission. You may need a cage and a pilot bearing on the primary clutch tho, place it above the engine, install a torque converter on it. It gives you reverse and even a L and H range, not that it’s really necessary. Also you can run the alternator off this in a little better way, and acceleration and top speed will be improved a lot. And mount a fan on the secondary clutch and put a cover on it to draw thru. This will keep air circulating and keep the belt cool so it doesn’t wear. Just make extra sure your cover doesn’t get a lot of dust in it bc that obviously accelerates wear as well
Why would you need to use a torque converter with a transmission?
@@jimmywhitlow7174 You could run a centrifugal clutch, but you need some way of clutching (obviously) and the thing about a torque converter you may or may not know, is they are “constantly variable” which means the faster you go it changes the ratio to allow for a higher top speed. The transmissions I was mentioning are just direct drive gear transmissions, maybe gearbox is a better term. It’s just a set ratio, but mainly I suggest using it bc it will allow for use with the torque converter, also then it should eliminate the need for an extra set of reduction on the Jack shaft. It’s just an idea that came to mind. If they gave me the bike exactly how it is I’m 100% confident I could fabricate what I’m talking about. I think it would be worth it for the acceleration and higher cruising speed. Plus it would be damn unique and cool
Another great video fellas! Picked up my first predator today, 79cc, parts are on the way, going to strap that baby to an e-zip 500 frame that I got for free, someone gutted the electronics and left the frame at a dumpster next to my moms apartment, so she grabbed it for me! Man billet flywheels are expensive! Thanks for the great content and the inspiration guys!
Just wanted to add. Most excellent job there Charles!!!! You is a perfect fit for the CARS & CAMERAS FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... Hope we get to see you in videos for many years to come bro!!!!
The look on your faces when to get the magic smoke out was worth cook the board... Charles showed the raw emotion well...
Before your trip you need a spare clutch jic and a ram mount for your phone so you can have a speedometer right there on the handlebars. Keep up the cool builds maybe you should later on build the engine with billet parts to make it shiny and might give you a higher rpm range but idk just a suggestion.
I totally agree with your decision to use a conventional centrifugal clutch. Once it hooks up, it may as well be a fully engaged manual clutch.
Got my "It'll Be Fine" shirt in the other day. That will become my Wednesday shirt from now on. We wear red on that day too for union support. This bike is totally awesome. I real head turner. Love the video.
Love to see a "Motorcycle" modified using an Opposed Twin Engine.
Briggs or Kohler, but not an Onan because they are HEAVY!
Yes! I love that idea! An old 18 horse* opposed Briggs with a few mods would be AWESOME!
We had an 18hp briggs opposed on a riding mower when I was a kid. Always had issues with the vacuum fuel pump every year, but as long as we replaced it, ran flawlessly. Sounded so cool too, I'd love to hear one with a custom exhaust 😎
@@goosenotmaverick1156 oh yeah, they sound good with a custom exhaust, I had put one on a buggy cart once. I ended up taking it in favor of a Yamaha X650S, but it was cool while it lasted
@Quirin M. 810 Briggs with the 30hp spec carb will kill that predator
@Quirin M. They actually built a chopper with the 670
Thanks for the explanation on why you chose a clutch over a CVT. Was curious. Seems like a reasonable assumption, cant wait to see the results.
I've been wiring up bikes for 41 years. Why the strange need to use two flasher cans to do the job of one??!! Exactly how many beers were consumed when the bike was wired up??!! Was there even a plan or was it just, "Let's hope for the best".
This is very simple: The wire always goes (regardless of who made the bike) from the IGNITION & POWER ON connector, on the key switch to the +P terminal on the flasher can. The other output connector always goes to input of the turn lights switch. The left turn light switch output goes to the left turns signals, which are wired in in parallel. The right turn light switch output output is wired in parallel to the right side turn lights. Connect up all individual turn light earth returns. Job done.
I am shure ther were also beers consumed in the planning of this particular build
@@Singh_1989 I'm SURE you're consuming some ethanol right now. By your spelling possibly E85! Read before posting. 😆
Wired up a bunch of lights on my dual sport bike when I was 16 and didnt screw stuff like this up 😂
@@taylorh155 I apologize, I am terrible at spelling and am not so good at catching my spelling errors, but thanks for the reminder.
@@Singh_1989 just a joke. Spelling/English class was my not my favorite!
It’s something like an icl7106, which is a single chip voltmeter controller. It has analog inputs for the signals to measure and a controller for the lcd display. The guts of a cheap voltmeter. With no regulator you went over the voltage it can tolerate without blowing the top off the chip. I wish it was on camera when it sparked.
Speaking about torque converter vs clutch, i think your issues with the torque converter are caused by it not having a clutch but just letting the belt slip when idling and when you start from a stop. Torque converters have losses because the spring pushes on the belt and causes more friction, and if the spring itself is too hard it can actually cause the belt to fail faster as it's much more stressed and will wear out faster.
My recommendation is to make a torque converter with a clutch, just like all scooters makers do. I know it takes more space, but it would make the setup complete and give you all the advantages of the torque converter with much less reduced wear on the belt (when tuned correctly) and better pick-up from a standstill. But you have to make sure the belt is always tight between the plates and there's no slip.
Also, maybe try to use kevlar belts if you aren't doing that already (and if they're even available in those sizes)? They're used in high performance scooters in Italy as they should be stronger than regular belts.
because each light is hooked to power individuality it will not matter which turn signal you use Negative will flash them all make each run on the power side Nice bike guy's will do doing some thing similar soon just waiting on the parts
Seems like new guys Doin all the work an testing
I love the videos! Lets get this channel to 1 mil before 2022!
Do you plan on putting a belt guard on the alternator belt it just seems like a good idea because any loose hanging clothes could be a bad time for the rider then you can do a heat shield as well.
i love how charles is wearing an i break stuff tshirt while hes doing the random top speed test
i agree with a couple of the comments i saw, if you made it have a dual clutch (2 speed) setup on this it could cruise to 50 at much lower rpm and your takeoff would be slightly better, having a smaller sprocket for the high speed and a larger one for low speed, you have plenty of room with the engine being that small and it would be cool to see
Cool build guys.. u could drill and tap the motor case for an oil feed / return with an electric oil pump feeding an oil cooler? Seeing it's only air cooled and the cylinder is facing backwards it may help keep temps down at high rpm on long trips 😎
I used Horstman oil clutches on my Mac 91B1 go kart engine back in the early 1970's ..and they still make oil clutches, way better than dry centrifugal clutch as the internal weights are adjustable and the things just work forever.
9:55 that chip is a microcontroller used to run the main code; basically it controls everything on the board, takes in button inputs, sends out screen signals, interperpates voltage, etc.
it is supposed to be black
Hey guys, just a couple of ideas to throw at your way.
First thing, how about possibly putting a torque converter on the bike. I believe it would help with the bottom end power and geared correctly, you should get your 65 mph cruising speed for the highway riding.
I just wanted to take a moment and share some thoughts with you guys, that might help the bike 🏍 become an all around better cruising bike.
Keep up with the amazing and exciting adventures and builds. We love them all.
May GOD Bless you all.
Belive it are not yall videos helped me get my motorized bike runing again thnk yall for that and love your builds that you do keep it up
The whole concept of making a street legal bike out of a Tillotson is really fascinating, good job! Right at the end of the video, Charles kinda looked a little like a bird in flight, what with him bent down over the tank, and his shirt flapping behind him!
The back blinkers are blinking in a polyrhythm. The left blinks 3 times in the same span that the right blinker blinks twice.
Wow no way Ike already recovered?! The mans a legend!
Cool explanation on the torque converter vs clutch at the end there. As someone rather new to all of this, that was some interesting food for thought!
Yes, the clutch set up that you are using is better / more efficient if you are using it at a fairly steady speed. For stop and go you would want a torque converter set up.
This is insane! This is literally the best channel on TH-cam
Im interested to see how far they can take this Platform..
A bigger or more built predator would be awesome.
yeah or honda, can find them for cheap used sometimes and then build them up.
Def agree on the catch can /recirculator for the trip.
Them blinkers had me dead
Great intro your production skills have gotten way sharper since the black widow video days
That last black and white clip would make a great poster print. Looked vintage.
That project worked out well so far. Be safe guys :)
Now if you had a 2 speed gear box you could gear it back down for power to get going then shift for high speed
That electrical component your fried on the circuit board is called a quad flat pack. (QFP)
QUAD because it has leads on all 4 sides and it's a FLAT PACKAGE.
Finally my 15 years of being a PCB machine operator pays off. 😂
Ike absolutely loves the turn signals. That smile* was hilarious!!!
It's the motorcycle trying to signaL "HELP ME," just like a hostage in a video. Poor thing is scared for its life.
I would take exception to your premise that the torque converter would have slip. Once it is up to cruising rpm the driver and driven pulleys should be at maximum travel and locked into fixed position with no belt slip. My Polaris has a belt that has been running for the last 5yrs with hundreds of miles on it.
The torque converter would allow even taller gearing to help with high rpms at cruising speed.
Love y'all's content thanks for sharing y'all's adventures!!
No disrespect, but is it just me or does Charles look like Spike Dudley from WWE? Love Charles he’s a great addition to the team.
This is great. Probably beyond what the average biker could do when he blows his engine but just knowing that it can be done is encouraging. Find a couple friends with the right skills and get back on the road.
Thanks for clearing that up at the about the clutch this whole series I was thinking to myself, wow that’s odd . But your point makes perfect sense1
Most awesome episode. The turn signal snafu was the bikes cry for help. Looking forward to seeing a road trip. Fun times.
16:37 scared me, the mirror on the truck made me think the car came right at them 🤣
If u have an indicator light. U have to chop the indication wire if they are not separate. I had the same issue when I did leds on my xl. They are on the same light. So it just sends it back and forth if that makes sense
Great to see the 3 musketeers with a full compliment of limbs.
Great stuff guys :)
SOOOOO epic! A real charging system changes the game!
thats the best honda hornet ive ever seen wot u done is a 100% improvement
I always crack open a cold one when I watch these guys and take notes.
That burned part of the multimeter is the processor 😂 well done 😎 but it's a nice bike 😀
I'm impressed!
I think off road would wreck more havoc on a CVT and belt than it would say on road. But only way to know is trial and error testing.
And a good dust cover. Lots of 4 wheelers have cvt trans and they can last for a very long time.
good build gents -- classy
Charles is a great fit for the team 👍
John has the right idea about the clutch and no cvt 💯💯
Maybe some heavier weight springs in the clutch. It would increase stall speed and allow the revs to come up more for take off. Just make sure the stall rpm doesn’t go above cruise rpm… Awesome video 👍
You guys are always so positive and really just uplifting. Great addition with Charles!
Yeah now they can sit back an watch him work
Try a higher stall clutch to get off the line. It worked on an old Puch I had where the clutch would “slip” out to around 25 mph and then lock and feel like a second gear
You guys should bring back the Honda Davidson and ride both.
I would highly recommend a better style clutch ( adjustable racing style .. You can then then adjust springs for engaugement rpm and they drastically last much longer.
The black and white footage at the end really touched my heart John 😂😂😂😂
I dont know why but this is one of the coolest projects you guys have done in a while. Maybe because it doesn't have splatter paint? IDK? But I'd like to see you guys do this with 3 cr 80 frames or something like that and get all your youtube buddy's do the same and have a race!
That turned out very good. Can't wait to see what you guys cook up next!
Super awesome build
Toss I simplistic 2nd gear on there. Since your running a jack shaft pop another clutch on there boom 2speed.
that burnt part on the printed circuit board is called an IC quad package(cause it has connections on all 4 sides). you guys probably ran 120Volts AC through that thing... the regulator changes the voltage to DC and lowers it to a usable level. i thought you guys got shocked at first! lol.
Is there a reason you didn't use a CVT on this?? Seems like it makes the absolute most sense! You even have a jack shaft so you could still center the engine/CVT combo in the center to keep it away from your legs!
Your dry clutch theory is spot on
Good jam. Damn good jam
Loved the video, currently planning to do a 212 swap on a 1972 Suzuki TS-90. I have been beating my head around on how to do the electrical charging, and found a lot of motivation from this video. I do plan on using a TAV2 unit, however. The best idea I have is to get a pulley that is slightly larger than the outermost edge of the driver pulley, and cutting the inner diameter of the pulley to completely allow the domed portion of the driver through, and weld it to the flat edge. This video led me to that, will be sharing my results, thanks!
Thinking a Harley transmission might be a perfect fit. No cvt and take off torque as well as top end. Maybe? Awesome build. I really enjoy watching everything you do.
Torque conveters are used in mopeds and scooters all the time, and they go thousands of miles, I think you guys would be fine to run with it. If not, at least try to rig up a 2 speed automatic jackshaft so you have that low-end and a higher gear.
I want to see a Charles ct70 build.
If you already have a belt system set up, you may as well throw a supercharger on there. That and some sort of gear setup, maybe like the one you revived at go power sports a while ago
Back in the 1970's I had a mini-bike that had a 2 speed centrifugal clutch setup. 2 clutches on 2 shafts with a sprag clutch on the second shaft so it would freewheel while it was in 'low gear' When the second shaft spun fast enough for the second clutch to engage (with higher gearing), it would overrun the sprag clutch and drive the rear wheel faster. Sort of like a dry version of a 2 speed Powerglide! This would be a good solution for the 225 to give it some torque off the line, plus higher speed performance once you get rolling.😉 *EDIT* Just saw a video you guys had from 2018 with this exact setup!! There's your solution.😁
I think the way you need a diode in the turn signal wires as you have it wired. Feeding back through control switch.
That component on the board is called the magic smoke box. It contains the magic smoke that makes electrons work. It would appear that you have developed a leak and the smoke has escaped.
What about a stage 2 kit for this? Billet upgrades. It would be really cool to see, just what you could do on a budget, to get the most out of this bike. This could be a pretty dope little series. Im very intrigued.
I like that little bit at the end..
A/c voltage coming out of the alternator guys!
If you guys us a tunable racing kart clutch, you can up the rpm on take off and be able to fine tune the sprocket size on the clutch drum.
Loving the bike content.
Stick a catch can/crank return on it & forget about it.
Charles is a very cool guy & a great addition 👍
*edit , I was hoping the extra belt in the thumbnail was a supercharger 😂😂
John thanks for the info at the end on clutch versus cvt.
CVT give you torque with a lot of take on but a clutch gives you top end speed just slow to start I was dipping my Coleman ct200u mini bike with a clCVT and it only took off about 45 miles an hour when I put the clutch on there it got me about 55 miles per hour and I dipped in Los Angeles California
I think you should fully build the engine so it can handle so much more power but don't go crazy maybe go to 15bhp but use component designed for more. Thus. Keeping reliable and usable power and have no worry about failure. 6400rpm on a stock engine for hours at a time may become problematic
I was so hoping you guys would've filmed the inspection. Just to see the reaction.