Why the entire NBA was terrified of Michael Jordan
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- From 1991 to 1998, the Chicago Bulls were the unquestioned kings of the NBA, and Michael Jordan was right at the center of everything that got them there. But the rest of the league didn’t just fear Jordan as a five-time MVP, or as a six-time NBA champion-they feared him as a person.
Jordan became the greatest basketball player ever by psychologically terrorizing every player he came up against-including his own teammates-but how did that happen?
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all of these comments and not one of you told me how cute my dog is. shame!
Bro, there's no dog, in this video! lmfao What are you talking about?!?
When we are speaking of Michael Jordan, there is no other dog.
I’m a U.S. Army Veteran. The mental toughness and tenacity that Michael Jordan demonstrated is on par with Special Forces Operators. The dogged personal determination to even pass the selection process to even become a U.S. Army Ranger, Navy Seal, Sniper, Marine Force Recon, Green Beret, etc, is not normal. People who are used to living in mediocrity will always be offended by those of us who have dedicated the entirety of our being to be the 1%! Normal people process relationships through feelings instead of results, so any challenge to that mediocrity becomes a personal attack against their person. Normal people can’t elevate, not because they can’t, but because they WON’T. The work required is demanded of all but accomplished by a very few. MICHAEL JORDAN is the GOAT! HANDS DOWN! NO QUESTIONS! ✊🏾🤩🔥
Amen !
semper fi
I totally agree.
It’s funny you would say that. David Goggins and MJ share the same birthday. Two Alpha dogs
How sweet
Say what you will about MJ, but he never put himself above the team, it was never "I won" but "we won"
"There's no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen." Regardless of his methods, you can't deny his respect for his teammates
I do also think his leadership attitude is effective. He was quoted saying “all my teammates know that I would never ask them to do something that I myself would not do.” Or something to that effect
@@cfl4286 leading by example like a true leader
@@cfl4286 Feels like Kobe also wanted to adapt Jordan's mindset but he failed at the leading by example part. He would throw shade at others (a.k.a shaq, 2007 squad by wanting out of the lakers), there has never been another leader who wanted his teammates to develop as much as Jordan. Lebron wants established stars who already proved themselves and never expected more from his teammates to step up with him. It was more like, "you can't shoot under 2 seconds after I hogged the ball for the other 22? Then you're out"
MJ never put himself above anyone else in the team.
But he put winning above all else.
And the way he went about it wasn’t pretty. But it sure as hell was effective.
Kobe was the last alpha dog. That's why Jordan had so much respect for Kobe because he didn't back down from anyone.
Yes but, MJ was the last NBA player that every team feared.
Kobe didn't have that aura that MJ had. No player ever will...
@@mpound97 True, but Kobe was the leagues last Alpha
@mpound97 90s jordan you mean. 80s jordan had a very different aura. If you talked to people in the 80s, the impression of jordan was that of a talented loser. Obviously this turns out not to be true but the point is you can only write hagiography after them chips are in the bag
Mj never once took credit for a win. He took blame for loses but never took the credit when they won. By comparison, bron has thrown his teammates under the bus and has taken credit for winning. There's a reason why even if some of his teammates didn't like him, they respected him as a teammate and leader. They also unanimously agree he made them better.
@grega4231, i use to like and root for lebron but what you described is the main reasons I no longer do. This dude lebron has done everything the wrong way in the way he's approached these situations versus Jordan's way and it's made him unlikeable. Then there's the crying, flopping, and quitting.
@@barney5583es and you didn't ever hear of LeBron giving any of his coaches support. At least not publicly. In fact, it is pretty well known that he went to Pat Riley in Miami and try to get Spoelstra canned. Fortunately, Riley, to his credit, wasn't having any of it.
Jordan on several occasions has given his props to his college coach Dean Smith and Phil Jackson.
It’s like America have gotten so soft Russia and China smell it too I bet
@@Amick44 MJ acknowledged Krausse as a legit and one of a kind GM.
It's just both of them are assholes so they didn't get along really well. In a sense, MJ and Krausse kinda complimented each other because they weren't YES mens.
Not only has he threw them under the bus...he ran them over..reversed it and back over them again..then drove a good distanced to build up speed. Turned around..came back and slammed on the breaks as he ran over them again. I'll never forget when J.R. grabbed the rebound with only seconds to go and didn't realize the game was tied thinking they were up by a single point in game one of the NBA Finals. By the time he realized his blunder the clock had run out and overtime was only minutes away. Lebron threw up his hands, whined, pouted, and went to the end of the bench away from his teammates and coaches. If that would have been Jordan..he would have walked up to JR and said get your head in the game ..this is the Finals. I got you. No worries. I find it comical that anyone thinks Lebron is even close to Jordan. Wonder how JR felt that Lebron criticized him, yelled at him, and through his body language made JR feel that his mistake was so catastrophic that not only had he lost all faith in him but that mistake was so tragic there was no coming back from it.
I've always thought that one of the most underrated things about Jordan was the fact that he controlled his ego to the extent that he did. To be clear, he undoubtedly had a massive ego, but when you consider the fact that this was a guy who at one time was arguably the most famous person in the world, who had unlimited money, fear from all of his opponents, adoration of fans, accomplishments, etc. The fact that he was self-aware and treated fans and average Joes kindly is pretty amazing. He could easily have been the biggest, most entitled jerk ever to people, but he wasn't. Outside of his teammates anyway.
You are blinded by your lack of historical and cultural aspects in this. Also, do you think being treated nicely and not challenged daily has made society better. How about our military. Do you think the softening of military training is making Soldiers more resilent? I wanted to be challenged and beat down in training. It's the crucible to make me a minimum Soldier that respected all those that came before me. Look up the Good times and weak men quote. You are leaning towards the weak man.
Yeah if anyone ever had a right to let fame go to their head, it was MJ
@@TimurQuinton442 a basketball player isn't supposed to treat his fans like someone in the military would train their cadet. What are you rambling on about, it makes no sense.
@@TimurQuinton442 First of all, you don't know me. Second of all, what in the absolute hell are you even talking about?
@@rkymtnchi503 Your response shows how much you lack any understanding of the military.
In my eyes that's not an asshole. An asshole is a person who is hard on you for no reason besides their own amusement at your suffering. Nothing Michael Jordan ever did was for no reason.
Say that to Chamillionaire. Lemme know his response
@@robhughes8198 Who TF is Chamillionaire to think MJ wanted to take a pic with him??? I'm sure their are stories about Chamillionaire not wanting to take photos with folks at times also.
@@Avarice-Zero Anyone who knows what I’m talking about knows its obvious you’ve never heard the actual story.
@@robhughes8198 I've only heard the story Chamillionaire told. So his retelling of story is God's word? Maybe MJ had no clue who he was. But go ahead and let one person's story be the truth.
@@robhughes8198Man fuck Chamillionaire. Y'all kids love running to that story to prove something about Jordan. But we adults don't care.
Not one but 2 3peats in a more modern basketball game setting, you may not like it but what Jordan did brought a winning culture
jordan didnt win until he got pippen and still didnt win until flagrant fouls got implented in an expanison era with 6 new teams, illegal defense.
@@RobinXlonedid u get that info out of a LBJTQ pamphlet 🧌
@@RobinXlone - He is human after all
Isn't it amazing how people love to bring up MJ before Scottie and Phil when the entire league and all its stars all had MJ as a consensus #1 very early on his pro career... And when did it become a bad thing to have great coaching or teammate s. I think it has been proven that super teams don't guarantee championships, it takes more than immense talent. Discipline, leadership, chemistry, the willingness to sacrifice for the greater good... 23 had it all
@@RobinXlone Actually he lost 3 years in the playoffs before Pippen and the next 3 years with Pippen. Also, a few of those expansion teams got "real good, real fast" as the Heat made the playoffs like 2 or 3 years later and the Hornets and Magic were very good with Zo/Grandma-ma & Shaq/Penny. What's interesting is those same expansion teams are still here today so I guess the talent is still spread out with over 30 teams. Actually worse since everybody keeps teaming up or trying to.
I think the mentality of the game, and of society as a whole is different than it was in the MJ era. Once you stepped on the court back then, you were stepping into war. You were going to battle against the elite warriors with the same warlike mentality. Ruthless trash talking, trading blows with a 7 footer and guys going to the ground was a frequent thing. I don't feel like Michael Jordan was putting those guys through anything he hadn't been through. He was hardening them up for what was to come, and on that journey, MJ showed his troops what never surrendering meant. That's how 2 threepeats were accomplished in that era. MJ's warrior mentality is a rarity these days and today's game simply doesn't have the physicality that requires the MJ/Kobe mindset.
@rotaryray
Kobe Bryant was overrated and nothing like Michael Jordan.
Mamba Mentality is actually Jordan's mentality and mindset and Kobe plagiarized it and called it Mamba Mentality. Kobe was a fraud and a copycat.
The same killer that sabotaged his team because he didn't want Shaquille O'Neal to win another Finals MVP over him in 2004.
The same killer that choked away a 3-1 lead in the first round of the playoffs in 2006 against the Phoenix Suns because his feelings were hurt because the coach said he was shooting too much.
The same killer that choked in the 2008 NBA Finals and blew 24 Point Lead in Game 4 and got blown out by 39 Points in Game 7.
The same killer that got swept with home court advantage and favored to win as a defending Champion against the Dallas Mavericks in 2011.
The same killer that scored only one 50 point Playoff game in twenty seasons.
First of all there is no Mike & Kobe or Kobe & Mike.
Michael Jordan was irrefutably and undeniably better, greater and superior than Kobe Bryant.
Spot on in your assessment. Pippen and Kerr said that he was possessed during team practices. They expressed that trying to stop him in practice was the most difficult thing they've ever had to do in their basketball careers and because of how good he was and how unstoppable he was that when game time came and they had to try and stop other players on the opposing team they often found it easy due to trying to stop him everyday in practice.
Great insight. The pride, determination, heart, and soul players played with during that time is what made watching them from a fan's perspective beyond anything today's NBA produces. When the average today's NBA player gets paid for what they do, where is the true motivation to be more than just average. I hate seeing players pre-game dapping it up with opposing players, laughing, casually shooting stepbacks with an irremovable grin on their faces to later lose by 15. What's even worse, is that it doesn't seem to bother them all that much. I'll never forget when Magic lost to Bird in the 84 finals dubbing him "Tragic Magic." For two months he isolated himself from the outside world later stating that for the first time in his life, he was depressed. To feel that way after he previously won titles in High School, College, and twice in the NBA within 5 years at age 24 is absolutely mind-blowing. The love he had for the game, the determination to win, and the competitive rage that he possessed is what is missing in today's NBA.
Because in attack, everytime he saw an opportunity, he didn't hesitate, he drove to the basket, no matter who was guarding.
In defence, he wanted to break down his opponent mentally, not just the player he's guarding, he wanted everyone on the opposition team looking over their shoulder, watching for him, thinking about where he is.
Man said lebron James adjusted Lmao he went to super teams so he can win and every time he felt outmatched he left
Jordan led from the Front. Its one thing to win 4 rings.. IT is a RADICAL different beast to win 3, in a row. Then take 2yrs off, and Win 3more, in a ROW.
IT takes a different level LEADER to accomplish certain feats. THE Older I get, the more I can truly appreciate Jordan's level of play. SOOOOO Many teams were inches away from a 3peat. With the last one being LA, with Shaq,Kobe. Lebron came close in Miami... Detroit got thawarted by a single Larry Bird play. Steph lost Klay.... AND Green got suspended..
Adversity, is the key for 3Peats.. And to preform that feat 2x times, while staying undefeated in the Finals. THAT takes a Radical type of Animal.,
I feel like this is a bit of a hit piece. You mention how what Jordan was doing was unsustainable, yet, he 3-peated twice. They didn't have to reshuffle the deck, flip key pieces, the core for both runs were intact the entire time. The BULLS (organization, staff, and players) deserve a lot of the credit, but I find you're weighting things more toward what they all did, over what Jordan's contributions were. The tyrant angle is overplayed. They were battle tested through practice, and were mentally ready to win; which they did when enough talent was in place. I also don't think that the BULLS were gifted with TONS of talent; people who weren't watching basketball as it was happening then won't understand what I'm saying here (Pops couldn't give Rodman away in '95!). They never signed a big free agent, not because of Jordan, because Reinsdorf was too cheap. Yes, Ron Harper was a free agent signing, but Jordan was retired at the time; and Ron Harper HAD to become a defensive guy because his offensive game faded like Scottie Pippen did as a scorer in 3rd and 4th quarter of big games.
A great argument could be made that Pops (Spurs) and Draymond Green took on the tough love assignments, similar to Jordan though in their own ways. We know that Pippen wasn't going to lead, check out '94, and ESPECIALLY with the Blazers (2000 playoffs) who became to Jailblazers on his watch. Phil Jackson played headgames with his players, specifically his stars, but beyond that, isn't exactly like Pops when it came to coming down on players and getting in their faces. Jackson was a great motivator, delegated well, had a great presence/stature, but too many people these days act like PJ didn't benefit by having Jordan along the way when he was with the BULLS. People think what Jackson did with the Lakers is an extension of what he had to go through with the BULLS, but Jordan made things easier for PJ where he didn't have to play the bad cop (nor Pippen). Next time someone wants to put Pippen and PJ over Jordan in any argument, ALWAYS cite the '98 season where you had the head coach with one foot out the door (that almost never works for TEAM building), Pippen using up time to get better for his next contract (he made more money than Jordan in his career btw), and where you could make an argument that Rodman (who wasn't the Rodman of old) was more reliable throughout that final season than those two were; and I'm not forgetting about his MTV Awards and NWO appearances in the playoffs.
I love Jokic, he's my favorite player in the league today. As of 2023--06-04, he hasn't won yet (though he likely will). Giannis has won 1 time; and he plays a pretty predictable game frankly. LeBron isn't tough on his teammates like Jordan, but he IS in a passive aggressive way. You make it sound like LeBron's style is better going forward. Why's that? Ignore your teammates when they don't do what you want, or just because. Respond to people on your team through cryptic Tweets? Is his style sustainable, considering he only 2-peated once with a superteam? Didn't Kyrie want out (even though they changed the narrative since), Love and Lue had mental breakdowns, and LeBron wanted to flip the entire CAVS team through the mid point of his last year with the team? How many of Jordan's teammates had to worry that they were going to get traded while playing with Jordan?
And spare me that the league had to put up with Jordan. His worst Finals in TV ratings ('92) eclipses LeBron's best Finals appearance (CAVS vs Warriors when they kept meeting!). Ever check out LeBron's Finals ratings with the Lakers, at the height of a pandemic (when EVERYONE was home watching "The Last Dance"), and before 10 minute TH-cam game highlights took off to cut into those ratings? And again, he was with THE LAKERS! Thank God we have Jokic now, who's a reminder of Magic and Bird.
WOW! One of the BEST post Ive read in a long time. This post is SPOT-ON from binning to end... absolute FIRE.
Jockic is a great player in a league with no traditional centers, if jockic had to play oljawon Shaq Robinson Duncan Ewing Alonzo mourning Shawn Kemp every night he wouldn't be this dominated especially in a league where the paint was packed that why MJ is the Goat because what he did as a skinny shooting guard in a big man's era won't and can't be duplicated, great post
Giannis predictable but his numbers say different youre not even old enough to watch jordan live stop the cap
@@dinkyb2000Your comment is trash bro
My man knows what he's talking about ! Amen to that !
Consider this MJ's method got them not one but TWO three peats that the warriors or spurs methods could not sustain and between the both could only do 1 back to back.
This. People underestimate how hard it is to win championships let alone consecutive ones. There's a reason why three-peats are rare and winning 2 three-peats in a span of 8 years shows that Jordan's way worked.
Exactly! And neither franchise with Duncan and Curry went undefeated either...so who knows. Maybe it was needed.
The Spurs never won back to back titles, and only ever made it to back to back Finals once in 2013 and 2014
we're gonna use that to justify jordan's methods now? 2 3peats? by that standard kobe should've gotten 2 3peats too, but you guys will probably ignore that cuz u just love justifying whatever jordan did.
@@xaevius5319 Kobe was an all time great player and although he was just 2 wins away from 2 3peats, he wasn't MJ even if he "tried" to be. He even stole the Black Mamba name from the Jordan 19s which came out early to mid-2004. Prior to the start of the 2004-2005 season, he started using that name. He tried his best.
I watched MJ's career from start to finish! He was the closest thing to a guaranteed win that I've ever witnessed! I enjoyed the video!
oh he was guaranteed win?
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little betty boo, jordan played 15 seasons in the league and only has 6 finals appearances in a crackheaded era.
you call that a guaranteed win?
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Once him and Pippen figured it out, it was nothing but rings ! There is no story about the Bulls choking in the finals because their best player got outshined game after game by a small bench player like Jason Terry lmao.
@@DesroQc
jordan got outplayed by terry cummings
jason terry is a better player than terry cummings.
jordan got outplayed by a baby penny hardaway who only had 2 years in the league.
jordan got locked down by tiny tim jr aka joe dumars.
little betty.
jordan played in a crackheaded era and only made it to 6 finals.
how pathetic is that.
jordan has many 1st round losses.
lebron has 1 1st round loss.
lebron faced way watcwat more comp than jordan has ever.
lebron faced way more hof’s, mvp winners, dpoty winners, scoring title winners and champions in the playoffs and finals than jordan.
keep lying to yourself little betty.
@@DesroQc
outshined game after game?
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by terry who all he did was catch and shoot?
terry wasnt controlling the pace or handling the ball.
terry wasnt creating plays or had the ball in his hands.
terry did 1 thing,,, catch and shoot.
98% of terry’s points came off passes from kidd or a pass from dirk being double teamed.
terry did what he was born to do.
catch and shoot.
terry is #8 on the nba’s 3 point leaders list.
terry is if not the best,,, a top 3 best 6 mans ever.
dont make me laugh little betty.
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I grew up in the same era. I can totally understand that mindset. It is the same way Bill Belichick coaches. Or the problem people had with Jimmy Butler. When you win, it works. But you have to be able to deliver. MJ never asked anyone to do something that he wasn’t already doing himself. That kind of drive tends to win when it matters most. Most of Jordan’s titles were close games. Same with the patriots championships. Or Butler getting to the finals for Butler.
In the last dance documentary, B.J. Armstrong said that when Jordan's teammates offered just a little help when Jordan learned how to win you couldn't stop him. Somebody asked me once if I thought the 96 Bulls was the greatest team ever, and if so, why. I said without a doubt. Because every player on that team, the coaches, front office, fans, and even opposing teams knew Jordan was the man and they all succumbed to him. Once Jordan had players on his team who understood and accepted their roles and were honestly and truly ok with being a role player, you couldn't beat him. He wouldn't allow it and he was just that good. It is difficult for males who have always been their team's alphas since pee wee, AAU, high school, and at the college level, to suddenly relinquish that to someone else. And in doing so, move from the front of the line to the back and do all the little things necessary to help this man win. That was the true magic of the Bulls. It's not only laughable, but sometimes disheartening to once have watched a game where Magic came down the court looking left, then right, while his wings are running the perfect angle to the basket, then he looks one way, and fakes a pass and then back to the cutter whom he isn't even looking at catches the ball and slams it home while making even the best defenses look weak or silly. Or watching Bird catch the ball on the wing, kick it into McHale, and then kick it out to DJ while Bird runs the perfect route to run his man off a screen and pop out while catching the pass 30 feet from the basket and hitting nothing but net. Or watching Jordan catch the ball on the wing, fake to the right, and go around his man so fast and elevate 10 feet from the basket and three defenders go up with him as he fakes one way to miss the first guy, then switch positions to fake out the second guy, and then contort his body around the third defender to go around him as well winding up on the opposite side of the basket and either laying it in or dunking it while the duration of the play he is in the air the whole time. Getting goosebumps just reminiscing all that. Instead, I have to watch a guard catch the ball 5 feet from the 3-point line and dribble for 8 seconds or more through his legs, around his ankles, while everyone else stands there and watches the step-back three either go in or clank. Coming from an era where skill was met with great intelligence and players sacrificed everything to avoid tomorrow's paper informing the world they lost to their bitter rivals to the product that the NBA is putting out today. Like watching Road House with Patrick #$%^@ Swayzee to Road House with Jake Gyllenhaal. It's not fair.
I think the part you might not be taking into account about MJ being burned out and retiring in 1994 is the fact that his father got murdered. I think that would be a huge factor in burning out. Had that not happened, I'm not sure his baseball career would have taken place.
He was burned out because of all the bull sh#t (no pun intended) he was dealing with after he took the torch from Bird and Magic and turned it into a flame thrower making the NBA a global phenomenon. In turn, he was criticized in a book about being a tyrant. The sports writers tried to make him out to be some degenerate gambler because he was in Atlantic City until 1 a.m. (he made curfew by the way) the night before a playoff game in which he and the bulls were attempting their first of two 3 peats. Once the media learned of Jordan's gambling on the golf course, they criticized him and insinuated that there were major problems where no problems actually existed at all. Michael Jordan playing golf for $50,000 dollars a hole would be the equivalent for someone like us to play for 50 cents a hole. Magic told the NBA front office during Jordan's 93 playoff run that if they didn't leave him alone they're going to lose him. His father's death was the excuse he needed to leave because he was fed up with the bs.
You have to understand leadership to fully understand what MJ is taking about. Leadership comes with a price. You have to be willing to pay that price good or bad.
Agreed. You have to be tough on people. A good example is being the boss at work. Most bosses don't want to get close to their employees because you may have to fire someone and ya don't want friendship and bias to cloud judgement. You have to push and motivate people. Sometimes that requires doing/saying things that are looked down upon. Many people don't seem to realize everyone is different and some people require some really tough love as far as motivation. What motivates one person may not work for another person.
"You have to understand leadership to fully understand what MJ is taking about" do you? all of a sudden people out here are experts about leadership and shit and it's not something that can be done many different ways with varying results
Will Perdue's quote was spot on: "Yeah, he (MJ) was a jerk...but when you think back about what he was trying to accomplish, you're like "hey!", he was a hell of a teammate." MJ was one of the first who looked at playing in the NBA as "work". In your line of work, its not fun! You'd rather be somewhere else, right? Well, MJ is exactly where he wanted to be, so to him, work = fun = purpose = success. IF you're gonna work, might as well be the best you can be. MJ was trying to make all his teammates be the best that they could be. 6 rings in 8 years. Mission accomplished!
I definitely agree! Sure, MJ was tough to deal with in terms of how he pushed his teammates. But it was to make them compete with that same competitive drive he had so that they can win. That to me is a true definition of what a real teammate is.
This was a great video. Well done!. I love how he says he "Pulled people along, when they didn't want to be pulled...". He says pulled, not pushed. That says a lot.
Yeah...Obviously his "pull" worked. Looking at the careers of his teammates when they ain't playing with him, it justifies the :pyll". Some of them like Bison Dele and Scottie Pippen got huge contracts I. Other clubs bur could not replicate their success in the Bulls.
Like he taught Kobe. How can I pass the ball to a guy who doesn't work as hard as I do LET'S Win . When he loss he prepared himself more he didn't blame anyone or any injury. A Man
MJ did it the HARD WAY never never asked the GM for more help he BATTLE the hard way and that attitude made him THE GOAT THE STANDARD the one that everyone wants to imitate NOT LeBUM not CURRY not DUNCAN everyone want it and still want to be LIKE MIKE AND HE GOT TO THE TOP WITHOUT ANY COMPLAINTS
I remember i was preparing my son to tryout for his school basketball team after asking for my help and he didn't play before. I was doing drlls to improve his left handed layups and dribbling and he started getting frustrated and talking back. I than raised my voice and said to him iether you want my help or not. If you are going to complain about how I'm coaching you than don't waste my time and you can practice on your own. He than never complained since and improved. He is now the captain on his school team and is the best on his team. Tough love is sometimes needed to help your child to succeed and have a winning attitude. I believe parents do their kids a dis service by not pushing their kids to do better. Also i believe sometimes parents are to hard on their kids where they take the fun out of playing the sport they're playing. Its about balance.
sometimes the people forgot the man is a human
You can't compare any of these guys you name to MJ!
I mean yea warriors and spurs won a lot but 2 3peats with no game 7s is ridiculous
Plus a 72-10 season.
I grew up with him same age watched every game when he retired I retired watching the nba ❤🐐
I just want to spit out an empirical fact regarding the mj vs lebron goat comparison which is so wrongfully prevalent in todays game...
Use the following scenario: If both jordan and lebron were teammates on same nba team, whom of these 2 players would be the spearhead Alpha dog (Batman), and whom would succumb and be the obliging Robin?... if you know basketball, you already know the answer 🎯...
I think that even if you dont really know basketball, you also know the answer
@@floriantosoni2444 was aiming information at the casuals and le-fanboys...
Jordan would have told Lebrick to get rebounds and pass him the ball, Lebrick will become a Center or a Point Guard for Michael. LOL
What I find amusing is Jordan's draft class. Olajuwon, Jordan, Barkley, Stockton. Mike never played on a team in the NBA with any of those 3 players. Lebron's draft class? He went #1, Melo went #3, Bosh went #4, and Wade went #5. Lebron has had all 3 of them as teammates at some point and obviously had Bosh and Wade at the same time. This to me shows how soft this generation of NBA players are. They only way they can win is to team up with each other.
@@roboninja3194 🎯
Jordan exposed his teamates daily to what they would deal with in the play offs. Especially conference finals and finals. He put them through hell, so that when they went to hell they’d be used to it and it wouldn’t affect their games. He wanted to simulate the scenario in order to toughen his teamates up. Great leadership
Everyone has different ways of dealing with different situations..And comparing MJ days of the game and nowadays game is so much different..In MJ days the game was rough everyone had to be mentally and physically strong..Nowadays the game is not as rough as it use to be..And being tough is not only physical you have to be mentally strong as well..In his days to be the best you had to literally beat the best mentally and physically MJ skill level is totally different..He did what he had to do to win..Michael Jordan Is The GOAT 💯 🏀..
You made it sound that it sucks to be like Mike. I want to be like Mike if only i was blessed with whatever he was given by fate.
This generation in general is soft. They won't be able to take his kind of hard leadership for sure. But the fact is also that, without someone being that alpha male, no one else has been able to achieve what he had done decades ago.
You definitely do not need to behave like him to win titles, but to have that kind of dominance over a sustained period of time in sports, it seems like you need that fire and hard line ruthlessness, if not you will not reach greatness in sports, which is ultimately a winner takes all environment.
He'll yeah it's soft. I mean even his wizards teammates were from a different generation and couldn't handle his style. Imagine if mj played now his teammates would b whining and saying he's a monster. He'd probably even get cancelled. That being said we'll never see another mj cuz society has gotten too soft to create another. Tough love turned a great athlete into the goat. Was he an asshole? Who cares the ends justify the means.
Spot on. Players today would go crying to their agent or the GM and demand a trade.
@@devinpoole4528 "Was he an asshole? Who cares the ends justify the means." so how come kobe never had 2 3peats? yeah, it's almost like there's more to winning championships and establishing dynasties than one guy right? i love how you took his time with the wizards as "oh yeah they soft as hell" over, oh hey his style doesn't work for everyone and u can't just trash talk your teammates into becoming better. he's the one who picked kwame brown himself and he has probably never thought that he fucked up with that pick and that it was his fault because his trash talk didn't work on him
They wouldn't be able to take this kind of hard leadership because said leader isn't Michael Jordan. The only way to be a tyrant, a-hole, jerk, and have teammates put up with it and endure is to be not only the baddest m#$%# f#@#$ they've ever seen but the baddest to ever exist.
I think he just held himself to the same standard to which he held himself.
Pattons and Churchills win wars, not Millies and Chamberlains.
When those "nice guys" you mentioned have the achievements and trophies Jordan earned, we can talk about how effective their methods are.
how. that's probably one of the shittiest metrics by which to measure if his method is "needed" or not. "achieve the same achievements jordan earned"? pretty abstract that could mean a whole lot of things without actually setting down the details for what that is. what about stuff that jordan couldn't/didn't do that he got beat by like steph curry's shooting and 3 pointers? would u count that or what u not?
just admit it u can win without being an asshole like jordan. tough love/negative reinforcement is a method but not one where it works every single time. the video already talked about how jordan did the same thing with the wizards and yet where did they go?
So glad I got to watch MJ “The GOAT” play, and not just play…but also watch him rise from a youngster on the Bulls to the greatest player of all time. I didn’t see him hit the game winner in Chapel Hill and become an NCAA champion, but I did watch him win all 6 of his rings in the NBA. I consider myself lucky to have witnessed greatness day in and day out. Those of you who missed all that I feel sorry for you. Those of you who claim Bron is the GOAT I feel sorry for you too.
something you can say about Michael, that you can't say about others greats, he was never dethrone as a champion.
It's to bad you never got to experience Jordan play. There was an excitement and mystique that followed him that I've never experienced before or sense. Larger than life maybe even. It was truly a unique time in the basket ball world and it translated to many people in other sports. Including myself.
MJ the GOAT! Ever!
Well, nobody 3 peat 2 times. It did work. Is it sustainable? Maybe not. But I rather being treated like that and win rings instead of the other way around.
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And he did brought up something in Rip and Rip went on to win championship with Detroit. Rip can only smile when his Wizards teammates berated Mj in Brown podcast because he knew, that why he have a ring and others don't.
True...when Rip asked him what he should work on, he told him to work on his mid range game instead of 3s and that's what he used with Detroit. He was their consistent offense.
And Leroy smith is literally he’s friend. If you did your research you would know there were close friends. Mans was joking you can see he’s not serious look at him smiling. They both are. And Jordan got put on JV. He was sad about it and that okay and but he didn’t blame him that’s just a story Jordan himself said he was clumsy and people forget he was skinny kid and was still skinny when he came in the the league so that should tell you how small he was. He’s said his skill Ms weren’t developed. He took responsibility. Y’all painting a bad picture off bull.
There is nothing wrong with the way Jordan played along with and treated his teammates in my eyes. People are too sensitive in sports today and just overall in general.
His midrange is mediocare, he comes back with even better midrange.
He can't pass, he starts involving everyone.
He can't go to his left, dominates using his left.
He is weak in 3s, starts dropping 3s.
The first ring is a fluke, he then takes another one, then another one.
He knows he can't do it alone, he starts pulling everyone up to his level or at least close to where he is.
Everything about his game that was criticized, he uses it as a challenge and as a result it expanded his game even further. It's safe to say that his opponents and critics that time made him the way he is. And I've yet to see someone think the way he does to this day. MJ is one hell of a unique specimen.
As Herm Edwards said you play to win the game Jordan hated losing many of his teammates probably never would have achieved what they were able to as players without Jordans guidance a person with 1/4 of his work ethic would likely be successful. He's the man like him or not
I never seen an individual Athlete ACHIVE what MJ did.
Great Video & much Respect to your sports Knowledge.
Some of us are wired differently. I'm 47 and grew up watching Jordan's whole career. We grew up wanting to play like him, but honestly his example just taught us to be the ultimate version of ourselves. We knew we couldn't do what he did, but we could be great within our own skillset. I'm certain that some of my former coworkers feel the same way about me as Jordan's teammates feel about him. I don't mind calling you out, same goes for management and the so called leadership. I rubbed plenty of people the wrong way with my attitude but it was because I actually gave a damn. However I'm sure I could have gone about some things in a different way. Having said all that, Jordan is my all time favorite athlete. But I can seperate the person from their skills and talents.
Jordans are STILL The Fabric of The Sneaker Culture...Even Rich Old White Men Dressed in a Suit Have "Jordans" on Their Feet...Jordan Shoe Represents Absolute Perfect and Greatness at The Highest Level....People Feel a Strong Sense of Pride When They Put Them on...
Jordan eventually made two 3-peats in his own leadership fashion. Even though he was harsh on his teammates, he led them, not made them trade targets for the big three.
You said in today’s championship teams there isn’t a tyrant like Jordan anymore. But that is exactly the point, no one ever since MJ has achieved that level of winning, going 3 peat twice. The closest thing is Kobe and we all know who he learned from.
Nice video bro 👌
Was shocked to see you haven't got as much subs as I thought you'd have with the quality
very interisting analysis well explained. Good video.
I told my competitive son when he was down on himself a story after he missed a penalty kick and lost a playoff game by one goal, how when I tried pitching for my baseball team and had a bad outing, and wasn't given another chance to pitch on that team but I still continued to practice to become better. The next season I played for another team and was given a chance to pitch and did pretty well. I ended pitching against my old coach and ended up striking out many of his good hitters and won the game. My old coach than approached me and asked why didn't you pitch that well for me. I replied because you didn't give another chance. My son said wow thats like something from a movie. I told him the moral of the story is never give up, practice until you meet your goals and use failure as a lesson to achieve better.
In reality the game is a battle and M.J. shows what it takes to win and be on top of it all and use every weapon available. He is a genius and anyone who says different is clueless. Steve would not have been who he is without a teammate like M.J. to push him to greatness.
Correction, Messi is a great player but he is not the leader during the majority of his career.
True that. Puyol was the true barça leader & xavi
I would want Mike for my teammate without a doubt The Goat of all Goats!!!
Jordan is nothing more than a human being. He just happened to be the best at playing basketball and at being a basketball player. He made us realize how impactful pop culture is.
Yeah there’s great teams today. But has ANY of them had one 3peat, let alone 2? I guess the only way to do that is to be EXACTLY what Jordan is. Just like Kobe and Shaq, they had that Alpha thing going on to the highest extent and they even 3peat’d. So until someone does that Jordan has a STRONG argument that his way is the ONLY way to be, not just great, but THE GREATEST
Nice video 1st time listening to your content.. not bad insight 👍
Excellent content bro 👍
I like this video although I’d disagree with the idea that the league barely made it work with MJ the first time.
My counter point is just to say thag 6 championships and 2 3-peats is a pretty good deal for the Chicago Bills and the NBA becoming global much to do with MJ’s ability, charisma, and accomplishments isn’t exactly “barely making it work” the NBA and other made huge profits because of him.
With all that said, I do believe there are other ways to have winning culture in a team sport. We can see this today with GS and Lebron James leadership but I’d argue that Lebron has been given a lot of player power (deservedly so) that other players want to repeat but don’t want to win as bad as Jordan, Lebron, and Kobe. That is to say they want the perks of being an NBA superstar but may not want to put in the work that those three put in.
They’ve all done it in different ways based on their own circumstances and have created legacies. Those legacies all have some tarnish but that is to be human.
You are right, today there are great teams and some might say, even better players but how do they stack up to MJs accomplishments? An Alpha that can back it up is necessary.
Hell ya bub great video!
This was a pretty good video. This is the first time that i liked the comments more than the video itself.
The league was tough back then and you had to be mentally and physically tough to get through it on top. Jordan was tough on his teammates to prepare them for facing tough teams & series. The soft/coddling method of leadership wasn't going to work for those players at that time. He did what he had to do, how can you argue with the results?
Crazy enough it worked. Folks can disagree how Jordan antics were tough and down right cruel at times. The Goal was to be on top. 6 titles and being the most polarizing sports figure arguably in history one could say his style of leadership lead to him and the organization success that has not been match.
MJ came up in a different era with a unique upbringing. The Bulls were a moribund franchise with a roster of dope heads. The drive to be great consistently calls for a level of mental resolve that is uncommon.
Ultimately players who grew up in the 60s, 70s, and 80s were not pussies.
It should be noted that MJ and Pip were shocked that the rest of the Dream Team didn't practice that HARD compared to their own practice sessions.
My brother great video
The only true greatest of all time ,for basketball!
Actually, Jordan's level of pettiness was sustainable for him and his two three-peats proves that. It wasn't anything in the league or any other team in the league that stopped him from winning. It were factors that had nothing to do with basketball that stopped him from winning.
The alpha dog model still exists in some way shape or form. Look at Jimmy Butler. The thing that doesn't exist, although people would insist it's still does, is the pure and sheer and total dominance that Jordan exerted over the League.
Jordan was the alpha of alpha dogs. He was a dick to his teammate but they also won all the time. Somebody else can try that but it doesn't necessarily result in a win. For Jordan it did.
"Jordan's level of pettiness was sustainable for him and his two three-peats proves that." video proves that he took a 2 year break in between that and cited that THAT was the result of his petiness not being sustainable
@@xaevius5319 he took a break because his dad died...or because it was a secret suspension due to his gambling. Whichever reason you side with, his performance years before and years after his first retirement shows his pettiness was unlimited and perpetual. Dude was petty in his hall of fame induction. His pettiness didn't cause his first retirement.
@@RetroKid sure, i will admit it did wonders for him, but that won't stop me from calling it unhealthy. if this were any other guy im pretty sure u guys would say that too. if he didn't the skill or reputation or anything to back it up y'all know it wouldn't work. to me it shows a double standard. if that unhealthy thing works all of a sudden it's not, all of sudden every consequence or drawback it might have? "nah totally need it. this is the only way". I mean look at you, you're talking about pettiness as if it was a virtue the way you're talking about it.
@@xaevius5319 exactly. IF he didn't have the skill or accomplishments to back it up, he'd be called out...but he DID have the skill and accomplishments, so we don't. MJ performed at a level that left all potential critics grabbing at hypotheticals while he actually achieved extraordinary things.
MJ never announced "playoff mode activated", then proceeded to fail. He never made statements he couldn't back up even once in his career. I think that's why people give him a pass...because he always delivered. He didn't talk the talk, he walked the walk, which is the opposite of what LaBron does. LaBron wants his title while also hiding behind excuses like wearing a cast, flopping around the court like a dead fish, or getting his wife to call him GOAT.
@@RetroKid im honestly really fine with how mj is. if a dude is that petty, that vindictive and all that on the court? sure go ahead, that's probably one of the best places to unleash that. the only problem i really have is the deification/romanticization of it. this whole "oh yeah he was 100% justified and that's the only ever way to do it" notion is just ridiculous. especially when it comes to treating his teammates? oh no no no. "to win a championship" "to set a dynasty". then we point to the warriors and spurs. goalpost moved, now it's "they can't do a 3 peat". yeah like the warriors lost to the raptors because steph wasn't "alpha" enough not because they lost kd and some of their key contributors to injury right? it's almost like there's more to winning championships and setting dynasties than the one mentality of a certain guy.
(though i will say, steph should've fucking slapped draymond's head back a WHILE ago already. dude keeps shooting the warriors in the foot and steph does nothing about it. and some people really believe draymond was the key to why gs lost to the cavs that season. imagine)
also yep, definitely, fuck lebron. honestly don't even know why people rank him so close to jordan. if not the goat, then the second, like what? it's fucking propaganda tbh. news and media outlets was already crowning him goat before he even won, especially when he just won his second ring in miami too? lol. patrick mahomes is also getting this treatment. he ain't say shit and yet the media is already calling him the goat he hasn't even come close to what brady has achieved. least mahomes doesn't propagate the bs and just go outs there and play. meanwhile this lebron guy is insecure and embarassing as shit.
He’s human everyone has good and bad
You don't hear about those other people being tyrants because the world has gone soft. When I was in high school in the mid to late 2000's we would absolutely call out our teammates and even get in their face if they fucked up.
Those guys you named from this era.. we’re not saying they’re better than MJ
The Spurs and Warriors played in quite a few Finals but neither team with their stars (Duncan & Curry) went undefeated either. As a matter of fact, none of the top 10-15 all time players did...including Russell. So who knows...maybe it was needed to overcome every year on the biggest stage.
He did it the only way to be a goat well nuf said❤
cant really compare spurs and GSW against the double 3peat bulls. non of them got 3peat
Hi Neighbor, I live in Arab Al, i got to see MJ play Baseball at the Huntsville stars game when he was playing for the Barons,
You should re-watch the retirement speech and particularly his answer regarding David Stern and the possibility of him coming back.
I don’t think he was ‘suspended’ but making your comment dismissing the entire issue is short sighted without that accompanying clip.
Thanks for your the video!
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Do you have a player like Michael Jordan on your TV? It's like getting the best of both worlds-you've got someone who's all about winning, who'll go to any lengths to achieve it. He's not being mean; he's just pushing you to help him reach his goals, and in the process, he's making you a better player. The thing about having someone like Michael is, it can be tough on his personal life, but you can let that stuff go and still hold on. Instead of resenting him for making life harder for everyone else, appreciate what he did for them. Without Michael Jordan, they wouldn't have any rings. So, let's chill with the negativity towards MJ. He's a legend, and we've got to respect that, Without players like Michael Jordan, the NBA wouldn’t be the same.
UNTIL ANOTHER MODERN DAY TEAM WINS 7 CHIPS......JORDAN WAS ON POINT.....!!!!
None of the championship teams would even challenge the bulls of the 90s
3 peats. on an era where you can clothesline a player and not getting a flagrant.
It maid him the best of all time nuf said❤
This video was beautifully edited. Congrats,man . Good you mention Messi, Barcelona was great with his leadership in field, but phisically he never is a threat for his teammates, and we have in soccer at least 5 big leagues in Europe, 4 big leagues in South America and other small leagues around the globe, so it's a bigger world than the NBA, so if you have a brawl with a colleague in a practice, the chance to have other is small, the agents will act to negotiate one of the players to other place and they won't have to cross them again. Soccer is a sport for every people, the height won't be an obstacle to play, and he is a short man . Basketball is for big people, and Jordan is a big guy, little smaller than the power forwards or centers in his age. He's more a combative person than Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo ( Messi's biggest rival in their primes) are, so the chances of brawl in soccer teams inside is really thin.
When he said Lebron was team oriented, he lost me. Lebron been on a bunch of teams.
All the nice guys you named at the end, except for Giannis, have lost in the Finals.
nice vid
Student of the game is the best this one will be good my first video was the tom brady video.
Athletes (and younger people in general) are just softer and less team oriented now. Not saying its a bad thing, it just is what it is. If it was weekend league amateur basketball, I'd ay he was over the top, but the NBA, you should be trying hard to win. That was the bottom line for Jordan, winning. All the other things, money and fame, were auxillary.
There are great teams, but none of them have 2 3-peat Championships. Kobe was the same way with his teammates and he and Shaq have one 3-peat. Kobe said if you're going to play on his team, you're going to play, practice, and perform at a clearly defined set standard; which ended up being an established culture rooted in discipline. This was the case whether players liked it or not.
Every one of us has a dark side. To deny that is straight up egotistical.
Jimmy Butler watching the last 5 minutes 😏
Ha...that's who I thought of too.
That is what made him great his drive that is great motivation life is though
I'd take An alpha dog I'm a 80's and 90's Era guy I like that edge Michael Jordan had played with winner take all I like that mindset, Kobe resting in peace was an alpha dog
HAS ANYONE EVER SAID THEY WERE TERRIFIED OF LeCHOKE??? NO....
It's extremely irritating when you're working your ass off while your teammates are just glad to be there and see it as having fun. When you're a professional making millions of dollars I believe you should be working your ass off too. Kobe was the same way. He worked his ass off and was irritated by Shaq waiting till the preseason to get rid of the fat ass he'd sat on during the off-season. I had the same experience in highschool. It's infuriating to have teammates that put having fun over the hard work it takes to win. The truth is you do have to be hard on your teammates if they are the cause of the team losing.
On the Court he was monster you either get with him or get out of his way if he had to carry a team to win so be it, it was business , just like any other business it's not personal , well unless you made it personal then he would go after them with everything he's got, he put everything he had into every minute on the floor and he expected his teammates to be the same if you want to be the best it takes a certain mindset to get there sometime you have to be ruthless to achieve your goals he was jerk to his teammates but I don't think he did just because he wanted to win that's all
It's probably exhausting in a way to be like that and to be teamate to him. But if other stars had success without being like that, nobody has achieved 2 three peats in 8 years in the last half of a century. And the only three peat since then was with the Lakers with Kobe/Shaq, a kid that was young but already driven by the same tenacity. So you can have success being different, but so far he has proven the point that if you want to surpass everybody and be better consistantly, not slow down after tasting the success, you need to keep pushing. Jordan was not there to be friendly, he was there to accomplish a goal and he was clear people with him had to be in line with that. But in the end, they have reached a level of success nobody has reached as a team and this is the biggest achievement of their life. Do they sleep better being bullied by Jordan for years and winning championships than players who have lost and have no ring ? I think yes. When players from that team talk about it, they say Jordan was difficult, but they all smile of this journey. On contrary, so many players in interview still are haunted decades after by the memories of a play leading to lose a series or the NBA title. It's clearly not for everybody, but we talk about top players of the world and competitors. And it's kind of funny how it looks terrible for US people but it could be seen as "standard" for ex-yougoslavian people.
The good question is "can this method work today ?". Probably not, because the new generations are not used to it, would disconnect from Jordan probably and he could not have the grasp on them. Popovich was saying that he could not coach the way he was coaching 20 years ago with the current generation, that they would not respond the same way to his toughness.
I watched sports for the entertainment. Michael Jordan was the best in the sport of basketball at entertainment.
Michael Jordan did what he had to do..The objective of the sport is to Win..His Airness Michael Jordan is the GOAT 💯🏀
Fact check number 2. David Thompson was one who mj looked to pattern his game after. A little of Dr. j, so those players would be his hero . Isaiah Thomas, magic bird, etc, where his peers are there only 3- 5 yrs age Gap between them.