Yes. You mentioned that LG comes with with Wifi controlled features. Does that include the LG Artcool Galley unit you showed? If so, how does one connect it to wifi?
This is a really well done video. I live in New England so it's kind of far to visit in person, but this demonstration of your different options makes me wish I could use you. Professional, concise, and Informative. Thanks!
Very informative video. Thanks. For those researching ductless mini splits this is my experience with Daikin. I tried to register my Daikin mini split on the computer and it would not register. Concerned i decided to call Daikin Customer service and they refused to register it over the phone. Then customer service for Daikin hung up on me. That was on July 2022. So i recommend not buying Daikin due to bad customer support.
Thanks so much for this video! Trying to understand our options and the stock pics on websites are HORRIBLE!! This makes it so much easier to see what these units actually look like when installed.
Thank you for the video and what a beautiful showroom! I'm in Florida and apparently no one has thought about having a showroom. I'm in the research process of going mini split and would love to physically see the options and further my education. If you know of anyone you'd refer down here please let me know. Thanks in advanced.
If you care about durability and corrosion resistance your best bet is Fujitsu. The only ones that can withstand saline places. Dunno about Mitsubishi cause the brand doesn’t exist in my country but I heard they are on par with Fujitsu or better in terms of construction quality and reliability. I have a good time with Fujitsu that lasted 12 or more years.
Definitely appreciate this video. Carmen & Adam were great to work with. And all the staff that came in to answer all 1k questions I had. A purchase I had been waiting so long for. i chose LG 8 Zone.
Oh boy I wish there was a show room in Louisville KY. I'm wanting to get a mini-split for my shotgun style home built in 1900 to replace the old furnace tucked away in a dirt and stone cellar. What a great idea.
Outstanding brief on ductless. Wish we had a showroom nearby like this. Many companies here are show to push these over the conventional units. Though there is one fella in town who does push D.L....used to push mitsubishi but changed over to Fujitsu maybe for better profit margin or user friendlier price. He felt Fujitsu is better. My good friend an HVAC Tech & fld supervisor rates mitsubishi as top shelf. Haven't heard much feed back on L.G. or Fujitsu from him but he did comment that Daikin cabinets are very thin and rust out quickly in his coastal area. Our 1987 conventional Rudd system is still churning on. At our age unless we experience catastrophic failure which the home owner can't fit then the future owner will be the one to introduce ductless into this house. My only concern is the flare fittings on lines thru attic or walls...am thinking there's probably aftermarket kits that sell lines long enough so there's no splices on long lines mid length. Wouldn't put it pass a contractor to do it down this way...state is full of those types...😒
Great points! If line-sets are run in the walls then we do recommend using access panels or the like to indicate where connections are just in case there is a leak in the future.
A bit of a stretch to say that the Daikin unit looks like a speaker or piece of furniture. It is still a clunky box on the wall. The LG picture frame is super impressive though.
Maybe! That would be pretty cool to see. It's actually not that popular of an item because it is multi-zone only. With limited sales they aren't particularly interested in expanding the technology.
On that picture frame model, why doesn't LG make that an LED display that let's you load family photos with a memory stick or wifi?? If only LG knew a company that made LED displays, hmmm let me think? Lol
The title is misleading. "Four Main Ductless Mini-Split Manufacturers in the United States" are any of the systems you talked about manufactured in the US?
They are 4 main Ductless Manufacturers that sell product in the USA. The title doesn't say Four Main Ductless Mini-Split Manufacturers MADE in the US. There is definitely a distinction.
I ordered the LG mirror unit for my clients high end theater room. Packaging was not designed properly and the mirror was shattered. Supplier said its very common. I have not ordered LG again.
I don't see the Daikin Series FTXS with the Smart eye on the inverters.(are they outdated since mine were made in Aug of 2021?}I have the 12 and 18 with a 4MXS36 outside.These units are great,I paid $7900 with 3 guys that took all day to install these.Beatssss electric baseboard heating in the Poconos
Can you please explain what you mean by “wrap the unit to match wall.” I’m interested in doing this to my wall mounted unit but when I google mini split wrap, I only get results for line hides and wrapping the copper pipes.
Is there a solution to air conditioning bathrooms when you have ductless mini splits in a home??? I actually love the idea of having separate mini splits in my house that I can have individual temperature settings in each room. However I don't personally know how this kind of system can air condition individual bathrooms. Do you have a solution???? As far as I know there isn't a small enough wall unit that wouldn't be way too large for a typical bathroom. Thanks !
They didn’t cover ‘ducted units’ where the interior unit would either be in a concealed area or an attic or basement and then ducted to the rooms/areas.
Great question! This is definitely something that is solved on a case by case basis. If it is smaller bathrooms, air would naturally circulate in there since most people leave the bathroom doors open when they are not using them. In the case of larger bathrooms, there are a variety of recommendations. If heat is the main concern, some people will put an additional electric heater to ensure that the bathroom is toasty. Or, if you have an attic above, you can put a ducted unit that dumps air into the bathroom and/or some other smaller spaces like walk-in closets. In most cases however, air naturally circulates into bathrooms when the door is left open the majority of the time. This is how most European and Asian mini split projects are designed.
Hello. Is there a similar store in Toronto, Ontario, Canada? I have had several HVAC companies come to my house to give me a quote but I would much rather go to a store to see all the options. Thank you.
We do not have a store in Toronto! We do help a lot of customers in Canada with their needs. Feel free to give us a call if you have specific questions that we can help you with.
Is there a smaller residential ceiling mount? I don't mind putting them in the ceiling but they are so big for such a small house. I have 3-4 rooms all under 700sqft total with 8'walls
@@alejandr0031 since I've installed my units I have not used any other heat source. I love my units, I went the entire winter without turning my units off. Even when temperatures hit 0f my poorly isolated house was 78°f. My bathroom has a cadet electric wall heater and I never had to turn it on because the air circulates. My electric bill dropped from $600-$900 a month to $170. And that includes all of my other appliances in the house, which are all electric.
My wife and I are designing a log home and will be building this summer. We're undecided on a heating/cooling system. I'm strongly considering a mini-split. Would you suggest it as a primary heat and cooling source with no other systems installed in the home? We'll also have a wood stove as back up.. but nothing else. Thoughts? Its a 4BR 2Bath home with 3BR on the first floor.. and a loft and 4th BR on the second floor. Completely open floor plan with high cathedral ceilings in the living room, dining room and kitchen area. Thx.
Depending on the floor plan and where you live. For colder climates, look into Hyper Heat from Mitsubishi or systems that heat with low ambient temperature. Each manufacturer has their version of Hyper Heat.
Cold weather versions of these systems are available. If you're outside temperature may go lower than 15° F it would be better to use a geothermal loop. The indoor equipment can be the same.
Make sure you have a mechanic who is willing to lay in the snow in 5 degree weather to fix your unit. These units have no electric resistance backup so you can make it to Spring. @@gotductlessusa
Based on our home, we need a unit installed in joists between 2 floors. Are the Mitsubishi ceiling units able to be installed between joists that are 9.5 deep and 1/2" drywall/plaster(total of 10" ) I realize that the 16" on center joists need to be cut and headed out to accept the 4 way ceiling cassette. The opening is approx 7' from outside wall? or are these only able to be installed from an open ceilling above? thanks in advanced, Brian
Mitsubishi has a one-way ceiling cassette that doesn't require you to modify your joists. You can find the specs here - mylinkdrive.com/viewPdf?srcUrl=enter.mehvac.com.s3.amazonaws.com/DAMRoot/Original/10007\M_SUBMITTAL_MLZ-KP18NA_SUZ-KA18NA2-en.pdf You're almost there with the four-way cassette. The four-way ceiling cassette is almost 9-3/4" with the faceplate being 1/2" - mylinkdrive.com/viewPdf?srcUrl=enter.mehvac.com.s3.amazonaws.com/DAMRoot/Original/10008\M_SUBMITTAL_SLZ-KF18NA_SUZ-KA18NA2-en.pdf These are able to be installed from an open ceiling above.
I installed a split system years ago. I have the mirrored system downstairs and the square version on the wall. Unfortunately I didn't have the picture added to the upstairs square shaped unit. Can I buy the picture frame and install over the existing grey panel or replace the existing face plate/panel with a picture and frame or do you have to buy it all initially?
Hi Carolyn, if you're asking if you can replace one indoor unit with another, yes. Make sure the capacity of the new unit is the same as the capacity of the older one. If you're asking to buy the picture frame part of the picture frame unit to put over an older version, no that's not an option.
Guys this is a serious inquiry. I’m considering this for my house because I need to get rid of all that huge and ridiculously laid out duct work in my basement so I can put my basement to better use. How efficient are these things compared to traditional HVAC system?
For multi-zoned units, they're more efficient, but not by a dramatic amount. The more indoor units you hook up to the outdoor, the less efficient it gets. Single-zoned units are very efficient and multi-zoned units can be compared to 18 SEER or greater conventional systems.
Small btu wall units go as high as 30+ SEER. Mid btu wall units are in the 25 SEER range. High btu wall units and ducted units are in the 19+ SEER Range. All of these are good units but none of them are made in the United States.
They are way more efficient. Imagine a 2 ton exterior condenser with a 14 seer rating. A 6k Mitsubishi can be a 33 seer, a 12k btu can be 26 seer. The mini splits use inverter technology, I can’t explain it, but the power consumption and efficiency is so much greater.
It’s a night and day difference. Mini splits are VRF. Meaning the unit will ramp up and down based on the load (how much heating or cooling) is needed. Where as your typical central HVAC system is either 100% on or it’s off, there is no inbbetween; you can get a 2-stage system, but nothing compares to efficiently of a mini split system
Torn, center hall colonial home with 3 floors, needing 8 zones. Thinking of splitting between to condensers, left side to handle 4, and another one on the right side of the home. About 30k and 33k btu. Torn btwn Mitsubishi and LG. Price, reliability and smart home is a factor. LG has builtin Wifi, Mitsu is behind the 8 ball with there Kumo cloud, have not seen the new "2020" units yet? Leaning towards the LG line, no branch box needed too; 30k with heat pump for up to 4 zones x2. or Mitsu with a 36k unit x 2 but adds up. Thoughts, advice?
By breaking up the zones into two condensers, neither LG or Mitsubishi (depending on where you live) should need a branch box. LG is going to be less expensive, but we'd go with Mitsubishi if reliability is most important. Mitsubishi is definitely behind with the smart home technology. If your main focus is smart features & price, LG is the way to go. If the main focus is reliability, Mitsubishi is the way to go.
Got Ductless thanks for the quick reply. You guys are doing a great job! The need for the two units and branch box is because I need 4 zone and there 30k can only handle 3 (with heat pump). So I had to go to a 36k which requires a branch box. Correct? Which leads to another question. How important or smart to obtain a unit with the heat pump? Our house is current heating via boiler/steam/ radiators - no zone, just whole house.
@@cburgos2 The Mitsubishi hyper heat 4 zone would need a branch box. The four-zone baseline will work without a branch box. If you're putting splits in for mainly air conditioning (you have a boiler), more than likely you don't need the hyper heat system. Heat pump models are almost identical to the air conditioning models and are priced around the same.
Nope, there are some ductless units that are air conditioners only. A heat pump transfers heat from colder areas to warmer areas. It works basically the way an air conditioner works, but a heat pump reverses the flow of and process of refrigeration, which causes the indoor coil to heat up when needed.
The way I explain a Heat Pump is that it is essentially an air conditioner that has the ability to run in reverse. And most heat pumps efficiency is a product of the compressor able to run at variable speeds where as a typical air conditioner only runs at 100%. Could you imagine driving your car that way ?? ( either full throttle or coasting)
The LG Art system is multi-zone only and is going to take wall space. Mitsubishi's cassette system can be a single-zone system, is going to be in the ceiling, and is slightly more difficult to install.
That all depends on the number of zones. Last I saw when looking for my house, they had a 5 zone system. So if you need 2 or 3, you’ll look up dual or a tri zone mini split system.
@@Adesico87 Yes, I have since learned the answer to that question and it is most of the time five split systems but it does depend upon the BTUs and the power and the size. Thank you for getting back to me though, greatly appreciate it
The Mitsubishi setup can allow up to 8 indoor units depending on the type of outdoor unit. Anything from 4-8 units for hyper heating units require a branch box or two.
Mini splits are limited on that aspect. I’m trying to figure out our 2nd story. Each bedroom will get a head unit, but I’m concerned about the bathroom. What I’ve read on many HVAC forums is that the temp difference is minor 2-3°.
Does anyone make a ceiling cassette unit with what I would call an additional slave unit that could be attached to divert some air to another room? or maybe even just the ability to duct out some air from the one cassette to another room? I have a small condo with 2 rooms in the upstairs(250sqft each), so I don't need a large unit, probably a 10k-12k unit, so 2 indoor ceiling cassettes would seem to be overkill, plus the added cost.
If you have the room for a ceiling cassette, you might have enough room for a horizontal ducted unit. With the HD unit, you can add additional supply lines to bring air to different rooms. gotductless.com/products/mitsubishi-12-000-btu-horizontal-ducted-cooling-heating-system There aren't ceiling cassettes built to divert air or with the ability to duct air from one room to another.
I've been on your website and noticed that the Mitsubishi floor mounted unit is more expensive than the wall mount - why is that? Also, if I went with wall mount how can someone clean the filter if it's mounted close to the ceiling which most of them appear to be. Thank you
Our guess is because the floor mounted unit is less popular than the wall mounted unit so they need to justify the production line time with a higher price. Cleaning a filter should be done every 45-90 days and can be done by setting up a 6 ft ladder or even using a chair if you have 8 ft ceilings.
@@gotductlessusawhile you may be right, personally I think the floor mount are less popular BECAUSE they are more expensive. Everyone I've talked to hates the wall wart look right in eye line, while the floor one isn't in your face. That said, it really confuses me why they all arent made to accept a wrap as it would make the warts far more visually acceptable.
@@dalehall2993, rumor is Mitsubishi has a couple of new systems like a one-to-one one-way cassette, wifi built into FH heads (instead of Kumo Cloud) and they're getting rid of their "hard stop" on their baseline MUZ outdoor units. But, we'll see ;)
@@dalehall2993 sure. It's for multi-zone applications only and comes in three colors (black, silver and white) and four outputs (9k, 12k, 15k & 18k). It's comparable to the GL series in operation, but looks a little cleaner (in our opinion).
My question is I want to do it yourself. Can I use Mr Cool with precharge lines on the LG Cool art indoor picture frame unit? I really wish this cool I was a do-it-yourself complete system
We do not imply that they are manufactured in the United States. Our point is that these top 4 ductless manufacturers are most popular amongst buyers in the United States.
We have limitations at our home . 1970's home that the air Ducts were placed under the home (without crawl space). We've found out the ducts are deteriorating fiberglass ducts so we are forced to look for another hvac options because they might be unrepairable and location of ducts are built into the foundation. Home is single story , flat roof, ceiling is wood tongue / groove and not sure if we can install the mini split cassettes. Any thoughts and price for a home that will need 5 Cassettes and what brand do you suggest ?
It really depends on the ceiling joists you have in the house. Since your house was built in the 1970s, more than likely your joists are 16" on center. If that's the case, we'd recommend Mitsubishi one-way ceiling cassettes because they'd be simplest to install.
Hi, I'm down in Florida and was interested in the LG Art Gallery model (the one that looks like a picture frame). A local distributor my installer contacted claims that this model has had problems and was discontinued by LG three years ago. Your video seems to show otherwise -- have you had any experiences with customers having issues with this model?
None specifically comes to mind for this model. LG still makes the Art Gallery indoor units. You can even still find them on LG's HVAC website here - lghvac.com/residential-light-commercial/product-type/?productTypeId=a2x44000003XQyh&iscommercial=false&class=Multi%20Zone%20Indoor
Gree, Midia, and Haier do have the majority of market share when it comes to middle of the road equipment. Most brands like Mr. Cool, GE, etc. are just white labeled Gree and Midia products. The brands featured here are considered higher end and do have their own manufacturing lines. Some Japanese manufacturers outsource production of select units to China (as well as other countries) due to part availability or logistical strategy. For example, Mitsubishi (Japanese company) manufacturers the majority of their SVZ/PVA multi-position air handlers in Mexico for shipment/sale in the USA. This is due to the logistical obstacles of shipping bulky units to the US in bulk. Hope this helps.
@@gotductlessusa Haier purchased GE in 2016. Haiers newest wall unit has a snap out squirrel cage blower. This alone resolves a major issue with wall units. Cleaning these units on a white wall and a new carpet is a real PITA. Whenever possible I install cassette units as they have a radial fan that doesnt need to be cleaned.
Could you actually define what makes one unit better than another. There just isnt that much to them. A compressor, TEVs, couple of coils, fan motors. Would really like to see a breakdown of what makes one better than another. @@gotductlessusa
To each his own! It would still be cheaper to install a Mr. Cool DIY twice if you are able than to have a contractor install one of these systems. However, you'd have to be willing to deal with the hassle of reinstalling another unit.
salesmen gotta stop with that "your one of the family" line. its dump and it visibly makes even the host uncomfortable... he's thinking "ok, ok, ok whatever next thing"
it doesn't matter how they look if they don't perform to your requirements. talk about btu's and power consumption. You have focused on the most irrelevant information and now I have wasted my time. What makes any of these units "great"? so superficial
These units are all a similar level of efficiency, so power consumption is not a differentiator. Each system is available in a variety of BTUs, which is determined by a load calc done by the installer. More BTUs isn't necessarily more better. Load calc and system sizing is specific to the installation environment, and outside the scope of this video. If sized and installed correctly, every one of these options will perform well. Hence, it does come down to style, looks, brand name, etc
Performance is so specific to each model number. The point of the video was to show side by side comparison of all the major ductless players on the market. Most commonly you see them individually displayed. This video gives you some perspective. If it didn't, all good!
Hello Friends, please let us know if you have any questions.
Where are you located
@@rpaul6885 they have two locations so far: Baltimore, MD and Mechanicsburg, PA
Yes. You mentioned that LG comes with with Wifi controlled features. Does that include the LG Artcool Galley unit you showed? If so, how does one connect it to wifi?
This is a really well done video. I live in New England so it's kind of far to visit in person, but this demonstration of your different options makes me wish I could use you. Professional, concise, and Informative. Thanks!
Very informative video. Thanks. For those researching ductless mini splits this is my experience with Daikin. I tried to register my Daikin mini split on the computer and it would not register. Concerned i decided to call Daikin Customer service and they refused to register it over the phone. Then customer service for Daikin hung up on me. That was on July 2022. So i recommend not buying Daikin due to bad customer support.
Great feedback! We've since removed Daikin from our site for these types of issues.
Thanks so much for this video! Trying to understand our options and the stock pics on websites are HORRIBLE!! This makes it so much easier to see what these units actually look like when installed.
If you're in the MD/DC area, we have a showroom in Baltimore. You can come by and see the units up on the wall.
Thank you for the video and what a beautiful showroom! I'm in Florida and apparently no one has thought about having a showroom. I'm in the research process of going mini split and would love to physically see the options and further my education. If you know of anyone you'd refer down here please let me know. Thanks in advanced.
Thank you for the compliment! Unfortunately, we don't know of any showrooms in Florida!
@@gotductlessusa Thank you. You could always open one here hint, hint ;)
I'm currently researching and it makes my head swim. There are stores for everything else why not for mini-splits? Good luck in your search.
If you care about durability and corrosion resistance your best bet is Fujitsu. The only ones that can withstand saline places. Dunno about Mitsubishi cause the brand doesn’t exist in my country but I heard they are on par with Fujitsu or better in terms of construction quality and reliability. I have a good time with Fujitsu that lasted 12 or more years.
This is great feedback!
Definitely appreciate this video. Carmen & Adam were great to work with. And all the staff that came in to answer all 1k questions I had. A purchase I had been waiting so long for. i chose LG 8 Zone.
Thanks for the comment Alex!
Alex how dod you like your LG system so far? Do you have ceiling mounts?
I have installed 100s of the MrSlims.... LOVE themmm...
They are great, aren't they!
Oh boy I wish there was a show room in Louisville KY. I'm wanting to get a mini-split for my shotgun style home built in 1900 to replace the old furnace tucked away in a dirt and stone cellar. What a great idea.
It's on the plan to get out there ;)
Outstanding brief on ductless.
Wish we had a showroom nearby like this. Many companies here are show to push these over the conventional units. Though there is one fella in town who does push D.L....used to push mitsubishi but changed over to Fujitsu maybe for better profit margin or user friendlier price. He felt Fujitsu is better. My good friend an HVAC Tech & fld supervisor rates mitsubishi as top shelf. Haven't heard much feed back on L.G. or Fujitsu from him but he did comment that Daikin cabinets are very thin and rust out quickly in his coastal area. Our 1987 conventional Rudd system is still churning on. At our age unless we experience catastrophic failure which the home owner can't fit then the future owner will be the one to introduce ductless into this house. My only concern is the flare fittings on lines thru attic or walls...am thinking there's probably aftermarket kits that sell lines long enough so there's no splices on long lines mid length.
Wouldn't put it pass a contractor to do it down this way...state is full of those types...😒
Great points! If line-sets are run in the walls then we do recommend using access panels or the like to indicate where connections are just in case there is a leak in the future.
A bit of a stretch to say that the Daikin unit looks like a speaker or piece of furniture. It is still a clunky box on the wall. The LG picture frame is super impressive though.
It would be even better if they went with a screen so you could update the photo via Wifi. Maybe they’ll do it on a later product update
Maybe! That would be pretty cool to see. It's actually not that popular of an item because it is multi-zone only. With limited sales they aren't particularly interested in expanding the technology.
Guys - this was super helpful. Thank you.
Great video, killer showroom. LOVE IT
Thank you Matt!
On that picture frame model, why doesn't LG make that an LED display that let's you load family photos with a memory stick or wifi??
If only LG knew a company that made LED displays, hmmm let me think? Lol
Great point!
Nice video. You need to get a MRCOOL DIY Multi-split in that beautiful showroom!
@Weenie Hut Jr's I smell a shill....
We do sell Mr. Cool on the site now! Mr. Cool will be making its way in the showroom here soon :)
Mr cool or Gree?
Awesome setup. Nice job.
Thanks Pittsburgh HVAC!
The title is misleading. "Four Main Ductless Mini-Split Manufacturers in the United States" are any of the systems you talked about manufactured in the US?
They are 4 main Ductless Manufacturers that sell product in the USA. The title doesn't say Four Main Ductless Mini-Split Manufacturers MADE in the US. There is definitely a distinction.
The salesman slap handshake, it's a classic.
AC peddler
I ordered the LG mirror unit for my clients high end theater room. Packaging was not designed properly and the mirror was shattered. Supplier said its very common. I have not ordered LG again.
This is great feedback!
The sleek Daikin wrapable head units. What model are those? I'd like to see the specs.
I don't see the Daikin Series FTXS with the Smart eye on the inverters.(are they outdated since mine were made in Aug of 2021?}I have the 12 and 18 with a 4MXS36 outside.These units are great,I paid $7900 with 3 guys that took all day to install these.Beatssss electric baseboard heating in the Poconos
Can you please explain what you mean by “wrap the unit to match wall.” I’m interested in doing this to my wall mounted unit but when I google mini split wrap, I only get results for line hides and wrapping the copper pipes.
There are vinyl wraps you can get cut for the unit to match whatever color/design you'd like.
Is there a solution to air conditioning bathrooms when you have ductless mini splits in a home??? I actually love the idea of having separate mini splits in my house that I can have individual temperature settings in each room. However I don't personally know how this kind of system can air condition individual bathrooms. Do you have a solution???? As far as I know there isn't a small enough wall unit that wouldn't be way too large for a typical bathroom. Thanks !
They didn’t cover ‘ducted units’ where the interior unit would either be in a concealed area or an attic or basement and then ducted to the rooms/areas.
Great question! This is definitely something that is solved on a case by case basis. If it is smaller bathrooms, air would naturally circulate in there since most people leave the bathroom doors open when they are not using them. In the case of larger bathrooms, there are a variety of recommendations. If heat is the main concern, some people will put an additional electric heater to ensure that the bathroom is toasty. Or, if you have an attic above, you can put a ducted unit that dumps air into the bathroom and/or some other smaller spaces like walk-in closets. In most cases however, air naturally circulates into bathrooms when the door is left open the majority of the time. This is how most European and Asian mini split projects are designed.
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Can you attach LG Art Cool Gallery and LG Cool Mirror units to the same outdoor condenser?
You certainly can! All the multi-zone outdoors are compatible with each indoor.
Hello. Is there a similar store in Toronto, Ontario, Canada? I have had several HVAC companies come to my house to give me a quote but I would much rather go to a store to see all the options. Thank you.
We do not have a store in Toronto! We do help a lot of customers in Canada with their needs. Feel free to give us a call if you have specific questions that we can help you with.
Is there a smaller residential ceiling mount? I don't mind putting them in the ceiling but they are so big for such a small house. I have 3-4 rooms all under 700sqft total with 8'walls
Mitsubishi now makes a MLZ-KY06 smaller, slimmer ceiling cassette. It is perfect for bedrooms!
Good info any suggestions on a air deflector for mini splits
Rectorseal is a company that makes good accessories for splits. We don't know any off-hand, but we'd check into them - rectorseal.com/.
I love my Fujitsu's. I use them as primary heating in New York. I have to buy 3 more zones.
Awesome! If you need any help with designing the system, we're here to help at gotductless.com.
@A font. How well do they work in winter? Do you ever have to use other source of heat? Thanks
@@alejandr0031 since I've installed my units I have not used any other heat source. I love my units, I went the entire winter without turning my units off. Even when temperatures hit 0f my poorly isolated house was 78°f. My bathroom has a cadet electric wall heater and I never had to turn it on because the air circulates. My electric bill dropped from $600-$900 a month to $170. And that includes all of my other appliances in the house, which are all electric.
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My wife and I are designing a log home and will be building this summer. We're undecided on a heating/cooling system. I'm strongly considering a mini-split. Would you suggest it as a primary heat and cooling source with no other systems installed in the home? We'll also have a wood stove as back up.. but nothing else. Thoughts? Its a 4BR 2Bath home with 3BR on the first floor.. and a loft and 4th BR on the second floor. Completely open floor plan with high cathedral ceilings in the living room, dining room and kitchen area. Thx.
Depending on the floor plan and where you live. For colder climates, look into Hyper Heat from Mitsubishi or systems that heat with low ambient temperature. Each manufacturer has their version of Hyper Heat.
@@gotductlessusa We're in MA. The weather in our area is all over the place. But it can definitely get cold in the winters.
Cold weather versions of these systems are available. If you're outside temperature may go lower than 15° F it would be better to use a geothermal loop. The indoor equipment can be the same.
Make sure you have a mechanic who is willing to lay in the snow in 5 degree weather to fix your unit. These units have no electric resistance backup so you can make it to Spring. @@gotductlessusa
Holding up the BS Card.
NOT ONE of these units are a US product. ALL of them are offshore contrivances!
The point of the video is to talk about the 4 main popular high quality ductless brands in the US.
Based on our home, we need a unit installed in joists between 2 floors. Are the Mitsubishi ceiling units able to be installed between joists that are 9.5 deep and 1/2" drywall/plaster(total of 10" ) I realize that the 16" on center joists need to be cut and headed out to accept the 4 way ceiling cassette. The opening is approx 7' from outside wall? or are these only able to be installed from an open ceilling above? thanks in advanced, Brian
Mitsubishi has a one-way ceiling cassette that doesn't require you to modify your joists. You can find the specs here - mylinkdrive.com/viewPdf?srcUrl=enter.mehvac.com.s3.amazonaws.com/DAMRoot/Original/10007\M_SUBMITTAL_MLZ-KP18NA_SUZ-KA18NA2-en.pdf
You're almost there with the four-way cassette. The four-way ceiling cassette is almost 9-3/4" with the faceplate being 1/2" - mylinkdrive.com/viewPdf?srcUrl=enter.mehvac.com.s3.amazonaws.com/DAMRoot/Original/10008\M_SUBMITTAL_SLZ-KF18NA_SUZ-KA18NA2-en.pdf
These are able to be installed from an open ceiling above.
Are these heat pumps or A/C units? Thanks.
They are heat pumps which means you get both heat and cooling.
My house is small with small bedrooms, which would you recommend?
It depends on whether you want to go with wall or ceiling cassettes ?
Are there any dealers like you in the Long Island New York area. Hopefully in Suffolk county.
We do ship to Long Island with quick shipping times!
now if there was a 'Gallery Frame' that was a digital display- THAT would be cool!
I have no doubt that’ll be available on a product update later down the road. It is LG, so I’m shocked they didn’t do that originally.
We're sure they will develop that in the future.
I installed a split system years ago. I have the mirrored system downstairs and the square version on the wall. Unfortunately I didn't have the picture added to the upstairs square shaped unit. Can I buy the picture frame and install over the existing grey panel or replace the existing face plate/panel with a picture and frame or do you have to buy it all initially?
Hi Carolyn, if you're asking if you can replace one indoor unit with another, yes. Make sure the capacity of the new unit is the same as the capacity of the older one.
If you're asking to buy the picture frame part of the picture frame unit to put over an older version, no that's not an option.
Whats the black designer series costs? Price range..
You're looking at 498 - 737.
Mitsubishi EF 9,000 BTU Wall Mounted Unit - $498 - gotductless.com/products/mitsubishi-9-000-btu-wall-mounted-cooling-heating-multi
Mitsubishi EF 12,000 BTU Wall Mounted Unit - $581 - gotductless.com/products/mitsubishi-12-000-btu-wall-mounted-cooling-heating-multi
Mitsubishi EF 15,000 BTU Wall Mounted Unit - $662 - gotductless.com/products/mitsubishi-15-000-btu-wall-mounted-cooling-heating-multi
Mitsubishi EF 18,000 BTU Wall Mounted Unit - $737 - gotductless.com/products/mitsubishi-18-000-btu-wall-mounted-cooling-heating-multi
Does the designer series work the same as far as features vs the gl or fh model?
The features work the same as the WR/GL series
The designer series is comparable to the GL series.
Guys this is a serious inquiry. I’m considering this for my house because I need to get rid of all that huge and ridiculously laid out duct work in my basement so I can put my basement to better use. How efficient are these things compared to traditional HVAC system?
For multi-zoned units, they're more efficient, but not by a dramatic amount. The more indoor units you hook up to the outdoor, the less efficient it gets. Single-zoned units are very efficient and multi-zoned units can be compared to 18 SEER or greater conventional systems.
Small btu wall units go as high as 30+ SEER. Mid btu wall units are in the 25 SEER range. High btu wall units and ducted units are in the 19+ SEER Range.
All of these are good units but none of them are made in the United States.
@@gotductlessusa Still didn’t quite answer my question but thanks anyway.
They are way more efficient. Imagine a 2 ton exterior condenser with a 14 seer rating. A 6k Mitsubishi can be a 33 seer, a 12k btu can be 26 seer. The mini splits use inverter technology, I can’t explain it, but the power consumption and efficiency is so much greater.
It’s a night and day difference. Mini splits are VRF. Meaning the unit will ramp up and down based on the load (how much heating or cooling) is needed. Where as your typical central HVAC system is either 100% on or it’s off, there is no inbbetween; you can get a 2-stage system, but nothing compares to efficiently of a mini split system
Do you have a location in palm beach county, Florida
We unfortunately do not but we do ship to that location!
Torn, center hall colonial home with 3 floors, needing 8 zones. Thinking of splitting between to condensers, left side to handle 4, and another one on the right side of the home. About 30k and 33k btu. Torn btwn Mitsubishi and LG. Price, reliability and smart home is a factor. LG has builtin Wifi, Mitsu is behind the 8 ball with there Kumo cloud, have not seen the new "2020" units yet? Leaning towards the LG line, no branch box needed too; 30k with heat pump for up to 4 zones x2. or Mitsu with a 36k unit x 2 but adds up. Thoughts, advice?
By breaking up the zones into two condensers, neither LG or Mitsubishi (depending on where you live) should need a branch box. LG is going to be less expensive, but we'd go with Mitsubishi if reliability is most important. Mitsubishi is definitely behind with the smart home technology.
If your main focus is smart features & price, LG is the way to go. If the main focus is reliability, Mitsubishi is the way to go.
Got Ductless thanks for the quick reply. You guys are doing a great job!
The need for the two units and branch box is because I need 4 zone and there 30k can only handle 3 (with heat pump). So I had to go to a 36k which requires a branch box. Correct? Which leads to another question. How important or smart to obtain a unit with the heat pump? Our house is current heating via boiler/steam/ radiators - no zone, just whole house.
@@cburgos2 The Mitsubishi hyper heat 4 zone would need a branch box. The four-zone baseline will work without a branch box. If you're putting splits in for mainly air conditioning (you have a boiler), more than likely you don't need the hyper heat system.
Heat pump models are almost identical to the air conditioning models and are priced around the same.
Do all mini spilts ductless require heat pumps? (And what is a heat pump?)
Nope, there are some ductless units that are air conditioners only.
A heat pump transfers heat from colder areas to warmer areas. It works basically the way an air conditioner works, but a heat pump reverses the flow of and process of refrigeration, which causes the indoor coil to heat up when needed.
The way I explain a Heat Pump is that it is essentially an air conditioner that has the ability to run in reverse. And most heat pumps efficiency is a product of the compressor able to run at variable speeds where as a typical air conditioner only runs at 100%. Could you imagine driving your car that way ?? ( either full throttle or coasting)
@@dominicm2175 thank you. I was confused by the name. I now understand better what it is and how A/C works. thanks
pros/cons between the lg art system vs the mitsubishi cassette system?
The LG Art system is multi-zone only and is going to take wall space. Mitsubishi's cassette system can be a single-zone system, is going to be in the ceiling, and is slightly more difficult to install.
How many ceiling cassette
units can be connected to the outdoor condenser?
That all depends on the number of zones. Last I saw when looking for my house, they had a 5 zone system. So if you need 2 or 3, you’ll look up dual or a tri zone mini split system.
@@Adesico87 Yes, I have since learned the answer to that question and it is most of the time five split systems but it does depend upon the BTUs and the power and the size. Thank you for getting back to me though, greatly appreciate it
The Mitsubishi setup can allow up to 8 indoor units depending on the type of outdoor unit. Anything from 4-8 units for hyper heating units require a branch box or two.
Thanks for the video. Do any of these brands offer the ability to branch off a duct to an adjacent room?
Mini splits are limited on that aspect. I’m trying to figure out our 2nd story. Each bedroom will get a head unit, but I’m concerned about the bathroom. What I’ve read on many HVAC forums is that the temp difference is minor 2-3°.
Sorry for the late response! Traditional indoor units do not have that ability. You can really only do that with a horizontal ducted unit.
Does anyone make a ceiling cassette unit with what I would call an additional slave unit that could be attached to divert some air to another room? or maybe even just the ability to duct out some air from the one cassette to another room? I have a small condo with 2 rooms in the upstairs(250sqft each), so I don't need a large unit, probably a 10k-12k unit, so 2 indoor ceiling cassettes would seem to be overkill, plus the added cost.
If you have the room for a ceiling cassette, you might have enough room for a horizontal ducted unit. With the HD unit, you can add additional supply lines to bring air to different rooms. gotductless.com/products/mitsubishi-12-000-btu-horizontal-ducted-cooling-heating-system
There aren't ceiling cassettes built to divert air or with the ability to duct air from one room to another.
I've been on your website and noticed that the Mitsubishi floor mounted unit is more expensive than the wall mount - why is that? Also, if I went with wall mount how can someone clean the filter if it's mounted close to the ceiling which most of them appear to be. Thank you
ladder? Every once in a while
Our guess is because the floor mounted unit is less popular than the wall mounted unit so they need to justify the production line time with a higher price. Cleaning a filter should be done every 45-90 days and can be done by setting up a 6 ft ladder or even using a chair if you have 8 ft ceilings.
@@gotductlessusawhile you may be right, personally I think the floor mount are less popular BECAUSE they are more expensive. Everyone I've talked to hates the wall wart look right in eye line, while the floor one isn't in your face. That said, it really confuses me why they all arent made to accept a wrap as it would make the warts far more visually acceptable.
What the cosy difference between a traditional HVAC system and a whole house mini split system?
Bob Keeler they’re typically around the same price installed.
Why don't you work with Carrier or Lennox in the US?
Carrier nor Lennox produces their own ductless products. They outsource it and white label them.
I heard Mitsubishi is coming out with some new mini split technology in 2020, is that true?
That is true. It should be out at the end of March!
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Whats coming out in march?
@@dalehall2993, rumor is Mitsubishi has a couple of new systems like a one-to-one one-way cassette, wifi built into FH heads (instead of Kumo Cloud) and they're getting rid of their "hard stop" on their baseline MUZ outdoor units. But, we'll see ;)
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I seen they make a black diamond series,is that available in the United states?
@@dalehall2993 as far as we know, no. The black diamond series is available in New Zealand only.
Where is the store located ...
We're right outside the Baltimore beltway at:
9642 Deereco Rd
Lutherville-Timonium, MD 21093
www.google.com/maps/dir//9642+Deereco+Rd,+Lutherville-Timonium,+MD+21093/
How are these 4 mini-splits manufactured in the United States? LG ... Mitsubishi ... manufactured in the US?
4 ductless manufacturers that are popular in the US. Mitsubishi, LG and the like are all ductless manufacturers that sell product in North America.
Price points video..
Dale Hall will do. We’re working on them.
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Could you go more in depth about the black ef (designer series)?
@@dalehall2993 sure. It's for multi-zone applications only and comes in three colors (black, silver and white) and four outputs (9k, 12k, 15k & 18k). It's comparable to the GL series in operation, but looks a little cleaner (in our opinion).
My question is I want to do it yourself. Can I use Mr Cool with precharge lines on the LG Cool art indoor picture frame unit? I really wish this cool I was a do-it-yourself complete system
No, you must use Mr. Cool DIY lines with Mr. Cool products.
is Mitsubishi overall better quality and more reliable vs lg
Overall (in our opinion), Mitsubishi does have better quality and more reliability over LG.
Like @Michael Cash said, it's all about the design of the system and having someone who knows what they're doing installing it.
I wish you were in upstate New Ytork
Maybe one day! Feel free to call us anytime and we can help you choose the right mini split for you.
"Manufacturers in the United States" is misleading.
We do not imply that they are manufactured in the United States. Our point is that these top 4 ductless manufacturers are most popular amongst buyers in the United States.
We have limitations at our home . 1970's home that the air Ducts were placed under the home (without crawl space). We've found out the ducts are deteriorating fiberglass ducts so we are forced to look for another
hvac options because they might be unrepairable and location of ducts are built into the foundation.
Home is single story , flat roof, ceiling is wood tongue / groove and not sure if we can install the mini split cassettes. Any thoughts and price for a home that will need 5 Cassettes and what brand do you suggest ?
It really depends on the ceiling joists you have in the house. Since your house was built in the 1970s, more than likely your joists are 16" on center. If that's the case, we'd recommend Mitsubishi one-way ceiling cassettes because they'd be simplest to install.
Hi, I'm down in Florida and was interested in the LG Art Gallery model (the one that looks like a picture frame). A local distributor my installer contacted claims that this model has had problems and was discontinued by LG three years ago. Your video seems to show otherwise -- have you had any experiences with customers having issues with this model?
None specifically comes to mind for this model. LG still makes the Art Gallery indoor units. You can even still find them on LG's HVAC website here - lghvac.com/residential-light-commercial/product-type/?productTypeId=a2x44000003XQyh&iscommercial=false&class=Multi%20Zone%20Indoor
@@gotductlessusa Thank you!
I prefer Mitsubishi or daikin over the other two
Mitsubishi in our eyes takes the trophy over Daikin
Interesting. I thought Gree, Midia and Haier produced 99 % of all units worldwide. Why do the Japanese units say made in China?
Gree, Midia, and Haier do have the majority of market share when it comes to middle of the road equipment. Most brands like Mr. Cool, GE, etc. are just white labeled Gree and Midia products. The brands featured here are considered higher end and do have their own manufacturing lines. Some Japanese manufacturers outsource production of select units to China (as well as other countries) due to part availability or logistical strategy. For example, Mitsubishi (Japanese company) manufacturers the majority of their SVZ/PVA multi-position air handlers in Mexico for shipment/sale in the USA. This is due to the logistical obstacles of shipping bulky units to the US in bulk. Hope this helps.
@@gotductlessusa Haier purchased GE in 2016. Haiers newest wall unit has a snap out squirrel cage blower. This alone resolves a major issue with wall units. Cleaning these units on a white wall and a new carpet is a real PITA. Whenever possible I install cassette units as they have a radial fan that doesnt need to be cleaned.
Could you actually define what makes one unit better than another. There just isnt that much to them. A compressor, TEVs, couple of coils, fan motors. Would really like to see a breakdown of what makes one better than another. @@gotductlessusa
I would never do a floor mount unit. What a way to waste wall space in a room.
To each his own ;)
Or get a Mr Cool for like 1/3 the price. ;)
To each his own! It would still be cheaper to install a Mr. Cool DIY twice if you are able than to have a contractor install one of these systems. However, you'd have to be willing to deal with the hassle of reinstalling another unit.
Lg stands for lucky goldstar bro
LG definitely has its quirks but it is overall considered a higher tiered brand compared to a lot of the other brands (pioneer, senville, etc.)
life span of ceiling units
It depends on the quality of manufacturer. Mitsubishi units are known to last upwards of 20 years.
Daikin is the best buy, better than Mitsubishi.
Daikin does have good systems as well.
salesmen gotta stop with that "your one of the family" line. its dump and it visibly makes even the host uncomfortable... he's thinking "ok, ok, ok whatever next thing"
Good feedback!
Diakin is not the best when it comes to honoring warranties.
That's what we have noticed as well.
Daikin has gone down in terms of even distributors and quality.
We would agree.
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Effing false title. These are not made in the US.
Top 4 Brands in the US if you like that better. Those brands are manufacturers though
it doesn't matter how they look if they don't perform to your requirements. talk about btu's and power consumption. You have focused on the most irrelevant information and now I have wasted my time. What makes any of these units "great"? so superficial
These units are all a similar level of efficiency, so power consumption is not a differentiator.
Each system is available in a variety of BTUs, which is determined by a load calc done by the installer. More BTUs isn't necessarily more better. Load calc and system sizing is specific to the installation environment, and outside the scope of this video.
If sized and installed correctly, every one of these options will perform well. Hence, it does come down to style, looks, brand name, etc
Performance is so specific to each model number. The point of the video was to show side by side comparison of all the major ductless players on the market. Most commonly you see them individually displayed. This video gives you some perspective. If it didn't, all good!
fujitsu means junk in japanese !!!!
Thanks for the input!
Do you have a location in Palm. Beach county in Florida
We unfortunately do not but we do ship to that location!