NEW - Flyinside Bell 206 for MSFS 2020 - First Flight (Rotor Textures Are NOT missing)
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Quick review of my first flight with the Bell 206 by Flyinside...
Other than stated in the Video the rotor texture is not missing. Apparently a real life paint scheme I was not familiar with. My apologies.
My Specs:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz 2.81 GHz
16 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
Feel free to check out my other Jetranger Reviews for comparison:
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The Bell 206 Jet Ranger from Cowansim for MFS2020 is out today ! Thx for ur video.
Completely agree with your assessment of the sim. I have flown in the real world Bell 206 and completely enjoyed the aircraft. I am still trying successfully control it in the sim. Your excellent information will surely help me with my endeavors. Thanks for the wonderful work. 👍
As always, very good video!
My new PC has arrived! I'm playing X-Plane 12 with everything at maximum with a least 70 FPS, which is very good progress comparing to my old setup!
And I just bought MSFS 2020 to check it out!
Merry Christmas mate!
Great to hear. Have a good one!
@@thenerdyhelisimmer4608 Comparing to MSFS to X-Plane: it's just beautiful graphics. The helis feel veeeery sloooooow and unresponsive... sluggish... laggy... you give a command and it takes forever to respond... It feels the helicopter is so slow, when close to the ground, it says 40 knots, and it feels 3 knots... disappointed with MSFS... it just has gorgeous graphics, that's all.
Am I doing something wrong? Do I have any wrong configuration or something deactivated (I configured to be realist, turned every assistive option off) ?
@@Eduardo90M Like in the Video: To me it helps to play around with the cyclic sensitivity value. 130-150 gave me good control on a full sized cyclic. You'll find the slider in the heli-manager under the realism column...
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I agree it took some key binding to get things right to fly it . The odd thing I had to bind propeller increase axis and propeller decrease axis to the twist throttle get that function up to work. Over all Msfs has a long way before it becomes a true rotor aircraft simulator for starters make a true rotor profile for helicopters.
Flyinside 206 is the best one in msfs. On par with other sims, but yes native one depending on helicopter require updates from asobo
Rotor Texture is'nt missing. It's a standard Bell scheme so the disc is more visible due to strobing from above :) Below 22FPS is uncontrollable. Turn your settings down a bit.
Download 1.93 fixes your issues.
And agree your fps isn’t helping your control ability at all, cause I don’t have any of those sort of issues
Thanks Rick, I didn't know that about the rotor blades. Mea culpa
@@rickmiller0000 1.99 is out already
Control lag must be a msfs thing some people have it like in the cabri. I have zero control lag issues.
It’s seems to vary person to person.
The sliding fix is in the latest update.
As with the collective it’s really sensitive smaller movements than usual, but agree this could use a little tweaking.
As for the FM from my experience irl in a 206 it’s really good, I just think even at 30fps it’s not really helping, cause as I said I have zero lag in my controls even at 80 sensitivity.
FlyInside's new way to induce stuttering with your CPU. ;)
There is something else going on with his sim. That stutter when he turns his head is not normal. Yeah, I found the Flyinside 206 slighter harder on the performance than other aircraft, but that's mostly on the external view. Inside the cockpit it's fine. I'm running it at 1080p on a i7-8700k (3,7 GHz) with an RTX 3060 Ti and get around 50-60 fps. On DirectX 11. DirectX 12 is worse on my system.
Yea it’s not flyinside
Nerdy, do you ever fly the helos in DCS? (edit: Nvm, just read a comment of your DCS opinion below 😂) I just got into it and I like the flight model better than XP. There's a UH-60L mod which is free and DCS is free, so it'll just take a little time to download to try it. Just a heads up to a fellow helo driver 👍
I found frame rate an issue with the FI 206, and I've got a fairly high end machine (5900X / RTX3080) running HDR at 3440*1440 with DLSS enabled. I did a comparison between the FI 206 and the HYPE H145 on Aogashima, a small island to the south of Tokyo which has a freeware helipad available. The H145 was usually around the low 60s or above, but the FI B206 had to be away from the ground before it would pick up that sort of frame rate. On takeoff and around the ground, it was down sub-30 often. I did this side-by-side because I tried flying the 206 out of Tokyo Heliport the other day and found the frame rate to be dreadful even in flight (maxing out around 30) due to the objects around Tokyo.
I just bought the CowanSim 206, I'll be curious to see how that handles in comparison. Given it's not running a 3rd-party software manager like Flyinside, I would expect it to be considerably better. For the record, I've flown the Flyinside 47 around the same site without issue.
Was the Cowansim for MSFS? Or did you get it for Xplane?
Ignore that, just looked and I saw that it's now available for MSFS :-), let me know what think of it!
Well Cowans 206 for XP is framerate-hungry too 😀. Let us know
FlyInside's implementation of external flight modeling in combination with the Helimanager module is horribly optimized in terms of CPU fiber frame use. This is the reason everyone is having FPS issues and stuttering. Quite frankly, FlyInside's programming technique is inexcusable and unfixable, barring a complete ground-up rewrite of the codebase. This situation first manifested itself with FlyInside's Bell 47 for MSFS2020, and they made a few meager attempts to fix the issue, but it was a minimal effort. The CowanSim 206 may just make FlyInside irrelevant, which is not a bad thing at all. ;)
@@tripodcatz5532 I think I may just go for the Cowensim as nobody really seems to be selling the FlyInside 😕I hear a lot better things about the Cowansim updates and support etc.. 🙂My only concern is this is their first MSFS foray?
Great video with some useful information! I have it too, and I don't have any FPS issues in the sim. My software is up to date, and still, the inertia is way too huge, and the cyclic feels completely sluggish. I have serious troubles controlling this heli, especially during pickup and landing. I'll try 150 as cyclic sensitivity!
Zero control lag on my end, seems to be a msfs thing that some people have, if you figure it out others would be grateful. But it’s not a flyinside thing
Is that an older gaming laptop? That fps is going to kill the experience. With Helis I prefer my fps to be at around 60. 45fps as the minimum with head tracking.
Thanks for the review, btw if you have the chance to try the Cowan Sim Bell 206, can you please check if it simulate the semi-rigid rotor.
Because Cowan said it would use the asobo CFD simulation, but as of right now this CFD only simulate rigid rotors.
The Cowan one is good but no, it feels like a rigid rotor aircraft.
@@calypsodawson9368 thanks, hope asobo will do semi rigid stuff soon 🤞
Hey Nerdy, did you recently try the updated version of the Flyinside 206?
Okay, can we expect the comparison against the Cowansim in about an hour? No pressure :-D on a side note I see the Cowansim minimum requirements are GTX970 + i5 should be an interesting comparison on the frame rates between them :-)
Haha, unfortunately not. But probably after the holidays. No high hopes with the fps. The 206 was bogging down things in XP for me as well so I don't think it'll be much different in MSFS. The question is: Is it still flyable with lower Fps. Anyway the common denominator in this is me not having a good enough computer at the moment 😄. I don't expect too much regarding the fm. It might not feel too different from the cabri/407. But I'll keep an open mind...
The cowansim is fine it’s just feels like your flying a low mast rigid rotor helicopter, not a high mast semi rigid one. Flyinside 206 once you set it for your controls ect feels and flys like one, and I’m someone that didn’t really like their b47.
@@thenerdyhelisimmer4608 may not always agree with you, but love the reviews/videos on the different helicopters, keep it up.
@@calypsodawson9368 Hi, I just got mine about three hours ago, practically a nightmare from launch, once in the air not too bad and landing hovering okay, just off the pad, too twitchy. Switch on the visualisation for air flow, is it me or is it not using the 40th Anniversary flight dynamics? Looked at the Cabri and the 407, both pushing flow through, Cowansim 206 seems to be pushing the flow straight across the top of the rota? And it's not a lagging issue. What settings are you using? Oh, tried to drop an email about it Cowansim...But you can't, no support page either, support button takes you to page not found, wish I had not bought now, guess it will be alright with updates, LOL
@@MrIanspeed Cowan is using the cfd, helicopters just take practice at taking off,hovering & landing. My controls are just all linear. For me it hovers, lands and takes off fine, so unless there’s a control issue, it’ll take a little practice. Sorry not much else I can think of.
Hey mate, how have you been? Did you stop making videos? I miss your nice videos!
Hey, glad to hear! I've been pretty busy with work and other stuff. So I didn't have much time for Nerdy. BUT: I'm just updating my system so there's gonna be some new vids real soon!
Cool@@thenerdyhelisimmer4608 , I'm anxiously waiting for them! I've been using more MSFS now, since my VR doesn't work properly in X-plane...
But the helicopters in X-plane continue to be better than in MSFS.
How can you fly that at lower than 20fps? You need a new CPU, and GPU - I couldn't fly anything with a refresh rate as low as you have.
Looking for some advice and guidance with respect to sim helicopters. IRL I have experience with Cessnas and have spent a enough time with RC choppers to not crash. Sim wise I only starting trying to fly helicopters. Using an X-55 for controllers. I have a Logitech 3d Pro that currently has the spring removed. I am doing okay as far as not losing a lot of control like I did a few weeks ago. Hovering is passable but not much beyond that.
I think my bottleneck is with the cyclic control. Any easy solutions for getting more precise control? Would be happy to chat with some knowledgeable folks via email or Discord to speed up the learning curve. I have MSFS, XP11 and DCS helicopters.
It might be the joystick. I used the same one (3d Pro) with spring removed and it had a lot of jitters/erratic inputs screwing up my flying. I'll post a video on a DIY Cyclic soon...
@@thenerdyhelisimmer4608 I'll be looking forward to it. I am actually planning on putting something together tomorrow. I am going to bend some pipe and create an extension for the stick part of a old 3D pro.
This is an urgent SOS, please!! Could anyone explain to me how it is that graphic settings on my MSFS always reset to what was there ever since I installed the RTX3080Ti. There appears to be some preconfigured graphic settings that never go away unless I set them everytime I log into the Sim. When I log off, they revert. Any help will be hugely appreciated, please!!
"Apply and save"? F11
Does it feel more realistic than the huey in dcs?
In my opinion Helicopter-FM in DCS and X-Plane as of yet is way more advanced than MSFS. The Belsimtek Huey is generally very good however it seems way too responsive for my taste. I'd certainly prefer it over this 206. It seems that lift-off and touchdown still need some work on MSFS in general and the Flyinside plugin in particular...if You find it difficult to control play around with the cyclic sensitivity (flyinside heli manager)
Uh.... NO! LOL
It's time for a laptop upgrade or desktop upgrade.
sure is 😄
@@thenerdyhelisimmer4608 I would hate playing with that FPS. I think if the render latency wasn't so bad at times it would help with the FPS. I upgraded to a 3060ti from a 2060 and I still get fps drops from render latency.
What joystick do you use?
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See this video...
@@thenerdyhelisimmer4608 thanks
I have saitek x52 and saitek rudder.
Do you think they are suitable for helicopter control?
@@kamelfeizi Suitable yes. Spring centered Joysticks can be a bit tedious since You rarely keep the cyclic in the center.
Any control lag in a helicopter on a sim is unacceptable. Period.
I have zero control lag in it.
this seems abysmal
Um...no thanks.