I'm not trying to be disrespectful as I feel these kids had great things to say, but why would you guys only bring in kids with scholarships? There's really very little diversity in this conversation. Where are the kids who couldn't get scholarships? The kids whose parents are working three jobs to get them to school? Or the kids who have to work night and weekend jobs just to get by? I'm not saying the whole conversation had to revolve around poor urban kids trying to get an education, but it would have been a good idea to do a better job of representing the average norm.
yeah i also wanted to know why colleges are so much more expensive everywhere else but california. i paid eight hundred something a semester and around 300 dollars in books in the CSU system. i worked full time at nights and paid for it myself that way. as expensive as it is in other states, i couldn't have done that
that's what went through my mind 6 minutes in, those kids are probably at the top 10% compare with majority of the students, most students don't have the intellectual capacity to be on the scholarship and have to pay pretty much everything. Plus the bigger issue is the youth unemployment rate, there is simply no guarantee new grads will have a job. Education reform is what's needed
***** No, Viknesh. Just because you do well in school doesn't always mean you will get a scholarship. And even if you do, that doesn't mean it will pay for all or even the majority of your schooling. And who said anything about brats or kids who don't study hard? Those are your words. Who even said the kid should get all their fees paid? You're jumping to ridiculous conclusions here which doesn't help anyone as far as having a discussion. The issue is this video ONLY showing kids who have scholarships and doesn't really discuss the struggle that a lot of kids (who do well, get good grades and aren't "brats") go through when it comes to attempting to better themselves by getting higher education.
Darkries Hunter Republicans and Dems in the House and Senate can ignore the problem all they want but it is going to hit the fan eventually. The loan restructuring is nice but it just extends out the loan from 10 to 20+ years.
Embarrassing for entire production team is what is is. Naive and cavalier complaints from well-off students instead of the majority without scholarships.
SignalLost730 I don't think its propaganda to tell you the truth. the students were screened to well is all.(lol) Vice is better than this. To see some real propaganda visite RT, its all pro-putin
+Tyler Bush What's wrong with propaganda if it's a positive message the administration is trying to get out there? I look at this video and think Obama wants people to know he's aware of the high college costs and want to hear first hand from the students attending and their perspective of the problem. I mean in all honesty in a world as big as ours you kind of have to have these kind of videos to relay messages to people. And of course if you get to have a sit down with the President it's going to have to be well deserving kids and pre-screened..I don't thing there's anything wrong with that.
+SignalLost730 You're saying you would just pick kids at random to meet the President of the USA? Censoring is when you prevent information, Obama is just trying to get a message out that he's aware of the high tuition cost issue, that's all this is.
TheBic4 People from our country have contributed a lot, but our government has done a lot more harm than good. See Nagasaki, Hiroshima, the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, the funding of the Mujahideen in the 80s, the Chilean Genocide, the genocide in East Timor, the Indonesian Genocide, the bombings of Cambodia during the Vietnam War, the Vietnam War itself, the funding of Saddam Hussien, and much much more.
***** yeah more then half of the shit you listed is very much wrong lol. the F-22 was never killed they built 187 of them. The F-35 project is far more expensive and is the worst Fighter jet project in U.S History and is still going It's just sad that your that fucking stupid that you went to some crappy website that gave you such crappy info.
010101 010101 Libertarian is also off the scale of sanity. they put too much faith with corporations. there needs to be a balance between gov and businesses...
CaptainDave They have a better foreign policy. Less time spent with foreign issues and more with domestic. Less government in your life as a whole, less debts to rank up because they decide they want to send out troops everywhere they please.
CaptainDave that is the common misconception - the power of corproations is only possible because they get to buy government (and or join government temporaraily, since it's all just revolving door) and write regulations that fit them. the guaranteed student loan itslef is government and all educational institutions being in cahoots with the banks to enrich BANKS AND SCHOOLS while impoverishing the students.
Education is the best investment in the future of a country, hell even of all mankind. I never understood how can u make such high barriers for people to get education.
Colleges became for profit plain and simple. Nothing else besides that. They got used to the state money and when the economy contracted in 2007 they kept raising pay and bonuses. As it all crashed down they kept doing the same as states begin to cut back hard. Now you are in a vicious cycle as people get lower paying jobs so less tax revenue and then less money to colleges and then less high paying jobs. You get how this game eventually works out.
Student loan situation is a nightmare 17 year-old kid sign something that can affect their whole lives when they don't know the first thing about anything all they know is the pressure to go to school not the consequences good or bad
Why not address the root cause? With the access to information the way it is today with the internet, we should rethink the way we go to college. We should cut out the middle man and develop community testing centers. The courses and content are out there for free! We don't need to throw money at this problem, simply need to rethink the process.
First thing you can do very easily is get rid of the paper books and switch to an electronic system. Unfortunately lobbyist control everything in this country. Just bootleg the books and save 1,000's a year. Simple PDF file on your tablet or phone a college makes you pay for a book on top of their tuition. It is a cozy relationship costing us TRILLIONS! The entire scam is going to crash after the middle class is tapped out from running up loans to send their kids to college.
ehh.. dude..that's a naive way of thinking. How many recognized and certified online courses are there? How many quality jobs/corporations/industries accept online course certificates?? Sure, we should rethink the problem, but saying we don't need to throw money at it is just plain, sorry, stupid.
peterpiperdiedharper So you think that even though we have gone through a revolutionary change in the way we share information and communicate, an ancient instruction and certification method and is still ideal? You my friend are clinging onto paradigms. I earned an online degree while working. I make 120k base. Who cares how the individual gets smart, just test their intelligence and move on. #evolve
richsums mate, did you miss critical reading courses, since your are putting words into my mouth. Nowhere did I say the old system is ideal, but to think here you are *an online graduate* who has figured out a way no one else seems to understand. is a tad bit too much assuming of yourself. There are several reasons what you said cannot be directly implied primarily, the slow speed of practically implementing a total revolutionary system *removing the middleman* as you said. Second, there is the political clutter that one has to get through to be able to implement changes, Being a good politician involves being a good negotiator, which means often getting a 100% of what you want is impossible. Third, your plan to remove the middle man will only work for undergraduates up to a certain degree, Institutions like universities were initially build to facilitate learning and gathering knowledge in one big hub, Sure, things have changed due to the nature of the system we live in, But, universities are even if they have turned into money making systems still hold a lot of accreditation, and are recognized for their degrees, something online courses have just barely started doing. BDW, do tell me what online degree you received.
richsums I don't think that's ever going to really work for most people. College is about more than just memorizing information and taking exams. College exposes you to ideas and people you might never have met otherwise. It provides you with tons of ways to get involved on campus or within the community tackling issues that are important to you. It also lets you network with people who are likely to be your colleagues in the future. You can't get all of that from an online course.
CaptainDave the truth is whatever the government claims will be "free" is actually costing the rest of the country much more than it is worth - guess why most european countries are drowning in debt at the moment though they don't have anything close to the war expenditure that america has? and look at france with all their so-called "free social programs" they are neck deep in debt and in reality is in just as deep dire straits as greece.
CaptainDave first of all, this is an American video. You have no business being here if you're not American and don't understand the situation. It affects you in no way.
***** everyone from modern countries pay taxes the difference is the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes.Also cutting the military would solve that problem without even raising taxes on the poor and middle class... so you are not paying more period if the government is smart enough to do the right thing.
+Enrique Godinez 100% correct.You are only constrained by your drive or lack of it !! And most of the time the education available online for free is better than the one available in classrooms !! I can say this for sure about classrooms in India !! The current system has destroyed generations.
The major issue you forgot is that four years ago, online college became a very big thing, but according to surveys, however, bosses looking to hire kids that are straight out of college, over 50% of them would hire a kid who went to a traditional university over an online university
Tyler Livingston My buddy is making $100k a year working for American Express and learned IT from the Internet. It happens. I have another good friend of mine that works for Honeywell, no degree, flunked out actually, and is a mechanical engineer for them. It does happen.
David Scott He never specifically ordered bombs on children. With regards to whistle blowers, to some regard, yes this is true. But President Obama is not above the law, so assuming this, all parties should be prosecuted according to the law in place. Furthermore, President Obama is correct to address debts (specifically, student loans), health care, foreign policy, and climate change. As mentioned, Americans should all engage and vote. Its baffling that 1/3 of Americans vote. If you don't vote, then you can't complain.
Used Books "He never specifically ordered bombs on children." anwar al awlaki's son was murdered by a drone. He was with a family at the time. Do we know if he was specifically targeted? No, because the self described,"Most Open Administration in History" exerts executive privilege to cover up how drone targets are selected. Also we know that the Admin employs double tap drone strikes aimed at first responders who are....families. "But President Obama is not above the law, so assuming this, all parties should be prosecuted according to the law in place." This is a joke, you know this if you are poor, no one is equal before the law, it depends on what power and what connections and how much money you have. "Americans should all engage and vote. Its baffling that 1/3 of Americans vote. If you don't vote, then you can't complain." I can complain, I don't vote, all you get is a different criminal every few years. Voting is the slave's suggestion box.
Making community college free is a great start to keep the student debt down. I'm currently in community college since I still did not know what was I going to do in life and had no plan on paying a four year university. The only thing I'm missing is going to parties and drinking my liver away. I go to school fully paid in financial aid and at night I work as an assistant for the English as second language program in work study. If I would have gone back to the fall after graduating high school, I would redo it all over again.
It was bad but they were kids. One of the guys was smiling so hart it looked like his teeth were going to pop out lol. But when the adult in the room asked a real question Obama evaded lol.
Education should be a fucking birthright, not a monetary game to shackle people into twenty-first century serfdom. We have major issues with education today: the costs, the increased demand of qualifications for students post-education, and the risk automation has to the solvency of the entire enterprise, which is rarely discussed. Today we are heavily concerned about paying money just to learn, just in the *hopes* one can be a somebody, that all of our paper certificates truly make us ready to be in the "real world". Tomorrow it's to see that after buying into that bullshit and playing along like a good little boy or girl, you see the double bind of our culture that expects more and more out of you despite this insoluble cost, that what you did amounted to very little and you are shackled in a game you may never, ever escape from. Soon, one will have to deal with all of that *AND* a situation where machinery can learn what a person can in a 4th of the time, and that human labor will slowly be eroded from most of this economy. From stem to stern, the education enterprise is ruined. We have to really rethink this entire situation. Should we really be expecting people to go into astronomical amounts of debt in the *hope* of getting a job that will very likely be automated in their lifetime? Is this *really* the fucking game we're going to play with people?
Must be fucking expensive. Where i live university is free, i get money from my parents and the the state, but still i have to work 10h per week as well. Housing and food is fucking expensive here...
Herve Shango You're wrong, travel a bit and you'll figure it out, that and healthcare is free everywhere else. They charge you a leg and an arm in the US simply because they can. Here university is an average sallary every 6 months, compared to the US that's free.
You mean to tell me they didn't bring up the fact that since government started subsidizing higher educations the institutions started charging double what a higher education used to cost? I'm shocked.
dapperedavid LOL, please tell me how it isn't? BHO is pushing some bill and VICE is supporting him and it in exchange for an exclusive interview, no doubt.
David Scott no I mean, what signs of propaganda do you see? How is this video trying to actively influence your mind in such a way that is apparently what HBO wants you to think?
It's 15 minutes like this that can inspire one of those students to achieve great things. I hope our future leaders take the time to meet the next generation.
Looking at the comments makes me sad. Bashing on a president that tries to give you the chance for a better life... Stop watching "Fox News", you'll feel better.
Vice news decided to bow down and ask soft ball questions and didn't even follow those soft questions with any follow up and call out any of Obama's questions
As a Brit, every time I watch Obama he just seems more and more clued in. I think he is genuinely just a well educated man, who looks at multiple sides of the argument, but is in a system of old laws and idiots.
Not sure if this has anything to do with Vice's progressivist stint but it seems like they have been much more heavily biased since Bill Maher (an Obama campaign donor) became an executive producer on their HBO show. I had so much hope for Vice being the only truly unbiased news source when they were getting on the ground, fact based coverage (which they still do some of), but they have flushed it all down the drain with this blind partisan horseshit. It is a practically undisputed fact that college tuition inflation has been caused by unrestricted student loans heavily supported by Obama, (that are quite similar to the subprime mortgaga loans of the 2008 economic crisis). Yet Obama gets to use Vice as a mouthpeice spouting lies and ignoring that this current problem and potential major crisis wasn't perpetrated by his administration. Its just depressing.
I am in college now, and the Irish Government pays (a grant) for the 4 years of college depends were your living and how far you live from it. Its not impossible to go to college/University and have a part time job on the weekend. All I am paying with my part time job is food and drinks and get a small amount of money off my parents. Like around €100 very month or so. It must be harder in America to do this and do the State Government give a grant to every student?
Most people get grants from companies, not the government. If you know anything about American companies, you can imagine how easily they snake the unfortunate people getting loans from them...
MrPsychoDog You have a humane government. Unfortunate that the United States values paper currency over actual living things. I envy Europe. Not to compare as an "Us vs Them" ideal, but most people there are far more reasoned in the world outside of the US. I imagine most of the EU will have unconditional incomes for all citizens before the US even *considers* the fucking idea. We don't even have decent health care.
ShakinJamacian The think is the American Government are spending $700billion on military you think they should spend a small bit of that to the education to help get student to finish college/university and be able to do something after it. Instead of paying off the loans on a job you do not want to be doing.On the other hands America spends $632billion on education and still needs to put a bit more money so students can live life after college/university. Oh healthcare America can not give out if their government are spending $2.8trillion,Most EU countries don't have as good hospital and healthcare then America.
***** All things cost time and resources of the planet. It's when we add money as a rule of measurement on top of that where it all gets messy. Consider for a moment on why so few nations have not eliminated poverty. They often start with "where's the money going to come from" as if it comes from somewhere. We make it! But we take currency as objective wealth, when it's nothing more than a subjective tool we use. Our psychological attitude towards money is what prevents us from making better societies as we really can, and is the central stopgap in the United States to preventing all of its citizens with health care and an assured minimum income.
VICE does good stuff. They actually are journalists. It's nice......and rare. Interviews and stuff like this are a thousand times more valuable than what most major news networks do.
As an artist, I wasted my life listening to teachers telling us to get all these honors/AP classes with clubs, and volunteer jobs on the side instead of practicing 3D modeling/figure Drawing etc. All the mental breakdown was worth nothing, I graduated on top with others and still got nothing. I was a perfectionist because teachers said it would say something to colleges about me but it was still worth nothing. They say they're preparing you for college but theyre too dumb to realize that not all of us, if not most of us will not go to the same college. The government should just let those who know what they wanna be, study right away instead of forcing us into shitty general useless courses
VICE hosted a roundtable discussion, moderated by VICE founder Shane Smith, with President Barack Obama and five students who discussed the challenges surrounding student debt and the pursuit of higher education in the US. Watch “President Barack Obama Speaks with VICE News” - bit.ly/1ErlXvn
I don't agree that this is propaganda. Vice are pretty face value. And there is some blatantly disheartening answers from Obama (government support, blaming state senators, taxes angle) which are as clear as day here. Also, Shane's demeanor seems to be focused, neutral and civil. This is good as it encourages the viewer to actually listen and stop allowing the broadcaster to overwhelm the point with their channel's agenda. In terms of style, yes, vice is very slick and I can see why some mistake this as propagating favour for Obama. But I think its quality and technical appeal only represent the channel itself. Vice dresses appropriately and let's the guest speak for himself. This is clearest angle I've gotten in Obama. It's much easier to gauge his verbal effectiveness when his party's theatrical embellishments are left outside the room. And that is thanks to vice.
that's really cool that you got obama to be an interviewee and got him to sit down at a round table discussion but couldn't you have had some of the students on the panel be attending college who are either taking out a student loan or else working to pay their way through college? all of these guys seemed to be on some kind of scholarship and that isn't most non-rich kids student's stories.
Lincoln Abraham Because he knows those ideas will make him and his party popular. Its not "free" community college, its publicly-funded community college. AKA you, me and every other taxpayer is paying for it. And debt forgiveness is complete bullshit. Its another tax on the American people to support college graduates who statistically will make enough money to pay back that loan in time. And if you DON'T make enough money, because you take a bullshit liberal arts degree or go to a garbage college, that is 100% on you and not on me as the taxpayer to help you out. When you sign the forms applying and receiving loan money, that is a contract between you and the loaner. You are responsible for your actions. If you spend 100k on a degree, that is your problem. If you turn around and want Good Ol' Uncle Sam to bail you out then go fuck yourself. Removing personal-responsibility from citizens, increasing government spending, and increasing government power is a road to hell paved with good intentions.
My understanding is that federal student loans is what drove up the cost of college education. The reason is that with highly available low interest student loans the demand curve increased for college education, and universities took advantage of that by increasing tuition as well as spending money frivolously.
It's really amazing to see how vice has grown from doing weird obscure documentaries that are suppose to grab attention. To doing things no other news organization does like imbed with Isis, be on the battlefield with Libyan rebels, live stream furgeson protests, or have these types of meaningful discussions with our president. I have mad respect for vice and the things they do for the sake of journalism!
My parents never went to college and have no clue how expensive it is, but they keep pushing me to go, they don't understand how terrible my life will be if were to go with a loan, the amount of stress it will bring me in the future, they have no clue how unfair the system is. It's made for kids who have rich parents, if you don't have rich parents, well, tough shit. Either graduate with 250k debt, or get a blue collar job and hope you can make a living out of it. It's not about how smart or gifted you are, it always comes down to who your family knows and the connections that have already been established. Rich kids are so fucking lucky. My life is going to be complete hell, and i have no idea what to do. Education has now become just another cash cow for banks. I fucking hate how corrupt the banking system is in the USA. Everyone suffers except for the bankers. I just wish university was affordable.
This has got to be one of the many things I like about Obama. I am from Sydney Australia, and am right now completing my HSC course and hope to go to University. I really enjoyed this talk not because it was informative, but the fact that Obama would participate in such a informal meeting with other students. I really respect the choices that Obama has made to the people of America, and I believe that his easy-going nature and kindness is an amazing attribute which is expressed in this very video!
I'm not in any way an expert but I do read a little bit about student loans and this is just my understanding of what was asked @ 12:18. When Shane Smith asked about why the shift from state to federal it really sounded like he was given the run around. Basically, and I could be wrong, the shift was made so that money made from student loans could supplement the healthcare changes. The intention ( that isn’t working) was to use the money made from student loans to pay for “Obamacare”. Before the switch students for the most part had lower interest rates. many states had interest rates at half if not more of what they are now. The bottom line is this change increased interest rates and students/parents will pay more for education. …Smith's question I thought was pretty straight forward. I wish the round table consisted of other people who understood enough to have a better conversation but I guess that's the point of having high school kids ask questions.
Went to college for teaching. Graduated while working. Living now in da hood, broke as hell. Got a job (3rd grade whoot!). I have hot water, a leased car, and have a second job. No regrets.
Or how about this,why blue collar jobs get thrown in holes? the problem is not the scholarships but the fact that every young person for some reason is under the assumption that if you become an economist,a lawyer a corporate worker for a big firm or some thing like that,you have essentially succeeded,but if you become an electrician,blacksmith or for an example woodworker you have failed?! I know a guy who studied marketing and atm is working for below average pay and is unable to pay back credits for school while at the same time i know a dude who by accident found a blacksmith who had an advert for apprenticeship and is now making quite large amounts of money by working as one him self for a private horse ranch. You take cash that you don't have to learn a trade that almost nobody needs and then you ponder why are you in the situation that you are! At the same time trades that were considered an every day norm 40 years ago nowadays can't find people willing to work,and it's not because of bad paychecks,most of them pay quite well. My country has gone down to a point where a good welder can earn twice as much as a good lawyer simply because there are too many people with law degrees but almost nobody willing to get their hands dirty.
Being a freshman in high school. Im am way to stressed out about college, both of my older siblings are not currently going to any form of high education. My parents are not in any financial stand point in any way to support me. So this worrys me, alot. Im setting myself up for failure, no AP classes, no advice being given to me. And no way of knowing what my game plan is.
My father said something to me that struck me as true. He said " back in my day, we had barebones dorms, shit food, bad everything, and we still LOVED college. They keep trying to make college into a resort for people; your main focus in college should be studying! " And he's right though, this huge increase in college cost is because college has become such a "resort-style" thing. Obviously there are some flaws here, but the basis of my dad's statement is true: fluffed up schools front fluffed up costs.
The main problem with the US further education system is privitisation. It encourages higher intrest student loans that are focused on creating profit over what works best for the student.
So... Let me get this straight. Mr. President Obama says God bless you, and nothing happens, but a christian school kid says God bless you, and he gets suspended? Not fair. :/
Yeah, I live in Texas and I went to junior college for 2 years before university. Tuition per class was $150...ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS PER CLASS. A full time schedule is 12 or more hours so that comes to $750 (5 classes X 150/per class), and with smart book shopping one could get a semester for under $1,000. I worked part time to pay for it, took out loans for the last two years, and graduated with 12,000 in school debt. I graduated 7/2012 and am now debt free. I believe problems arise when people, for some reason, think they need to do all of their schooling at a four year university for $5K+/Semester. A little critical thinking will go a long ways. Additionally, with the proper education/skill building from parents to children at a young age, college isn't necessarily for everyone. I know several people who own a business or worked their way up to a well-paid position. In school, kids aren't taught how to plan for college/life or manage money. I think if we fix our education system, then we would see big changes. *keep it simple, stupid*
I once heard a theory about why education costs are going up so rapidly. So currently, interests are capped at a certain rate (much lower than the would be the case if it was capped), therefore, more and more students (some much less apt at college than others) were able to get these loans, and get into college. Because of the availability of these loans, colleges were not being challenged by the competitive free market to make things cheaper (since students were now operating with a larger money pool of low interest school loans). So the theory is, if you take out the cap on student loans and make these loans operate on the same principles of supply and demand as the rest of the economy, then only those who are willing to pay the higher price would get the loans, and henseforth, colleges would have more competition since less people with loans would be coming in as a whole, and they would cut costs in order to lower tuition (basic competitive advantage)
I wonder how the high cost of tuition, loans, and expenses for medical doctors and nurses, affects the cost of our medical system- for both the provider and consumer of health care.
One reason college is so expensive is that the government keeps subsidizing the cost with grants and loans to students. As long as politicians keep voting to do this, costs will continue to rise. Secondly, colleges compete for students by filling their places with resort-like amenities, further increasing costs. Why should I as a taxpayer foot the bill for someone who wants to go away to these places? If you can't afford it, get a job and save enough money for a community college. If you do borrow money, uphold your honor and pay the money back under the terms to which you agreed. It's disturbing that first home loan borrowers, and now student loan borrowers, are starting to expect that the taxpayer help them pay off their loan. We are losing basic values in this country, like the value of paying off a debt. Also, why doesn't the president ever extol the value of the trades? Are we going to have a society of under employed educated people who can't even build a birdhouse? I believe college is LESS relevant than in decades past. One of the reasons to go to college in the past was because colleges had the libraries -- technology has mitigated that. Online learning further erodes the college's reason for being. The world is changing and this whole discussion seems oblivious to the changes. That's fine. Just don't ask me to pay for it.
Obama brings up a great point. When you cap revenue (i.e. not raise taxes), yet at the same time implement wasteful laws and regulations (like the 3 strikes you're out), you essentially either have to cut education support or take on massive amount of debt.
First off Shane Smith is just awesome. I don't agree with everything our President says or does but he's the first one in a long time I've actually been proud of.
The US seems fine with taking on debt in many forms, but when it comes to taking on abit of debt in something as important as the education department, magically just can't afford to anymore. Education should be free, all levels, across the globe. An educated population is a more useful population. In addition, with free education, anyone and everyone would be able to better themselves and apply themselves in fields they enjoy, resulting in their performance in that field being exponentially better than your average worker today just holding a job. Imagine a society where everyone working a job, is working a job they enjoy and are passionate about and were able to pursue those careers thanks to access to any education required without the worry of burying themselves alive in bills... how productive we would all be doing what we enjoy... Going into work would no longer be a burden necessary to pay bills, instead it would bring enjoyment and additional effort to be added to do that much better of a job, because it's something you like and enjoy doing well.... Isn't that something we should be striving for? The only way you make progress in fields is by having people who enjoy being in those fields to begin with. If the majority of people are simply working a job they hate, just to pay bills, they're not only going to feel burdened, but they won't give two shits if they do the job well or not, because it's not something they care about, and that hurts overall productivity by a large margin. And all as a result of banks wanting to make a quick buck off of generations vital to the succession of society. What a joke.
11:42 Good question, bad answer. Spending money on defense is redundant. Defund it, put the surplus into education. That's why you're the President, to make America better.
At around the 12:14 mark the presidents genius and honesty hit me. He really is brilliant and in my humble opinion, wants to change all the crookedness. Give him a break already!
For older students, school should be a self study and exam/certification system. Instead of having teachers lecture, students would use tutors to help them as needed. Exams and their results would be accessible online to prospective employers, so that they can objectively judge job applicants. Standardized exams would make it easier to compare students instead of relying on school pedigree and GPA. The exams should be written with guidance from industry because they hire the workers. This system would be accessible to almost anyone who can buy study materials and has the time to study. Instead of building more schools, public libraries could be used as study halls and tutors would be on site.
I honestly don't understand why everyone gets so upset about everything Obama does. Tons of people hold his feet to the fire over such trivial matters like how he salutes soldiers or his mannerisms when he speaks. When I listened to this discussion I see someone doing there best to make small, realistic, and positive changes to our society. Even if you hate him, you have to admit that Obama is at least well grounded in reality, and that's more than you can say for his constituents.
I'd like to hear what his opinion is on "for-profit" institutions that have no interest in ensuring that their students graduate, instead focusing on siphoning as much money from the government via unsuspecting young people as possible. I got suckered into one shortly out of high school, naive and confident it was the way to go. After a couple years, it became too expensive for me to continue and I could no longer get financial assistance (including private loans), leaving me with a bill for nearly $30,000 and nothing to show for it. I learned very little during my time there and if I could do it over again I would stay as far away from higher education as possible.
Sorry, no hate, but I've never seen another president address issues like this face to face with diverse students in my lifetime. A fantastic move by Obama on his way out. He's realizing just how much he can do to make a difference now that he doesn't have to campaign.
I gotta say the scariest part of this interview was hearing the Commander-in-Chief of the United States say that he had to look at younger generations to feel inspired......
I'm not trying to be disrespectful as I feel these kids had great things to say, but why would you guys only bring in kids with scholarships? There's really very little diversity in this conversation. Where are the kids who couldn't get scholarships? The kids whose parents are working three jobs to get them to school? Or the kids who have to work night and weekend jobs just to get by? I'm not saying the whole conversation had to revolve around poor urban kids trying to get an education, but it would have been a good idea to do a better job of representing the average norm.
DEAD END HIP HOP!
Agree with you 100%. Respect to DEEH!
yeah i also wanted to know why colleges are so much more expensive everywhere else but california. i paid eight hundred something a semester and around 300 dollars in books in the CSU system. i worked full time at nights and paid for it myself that way. as expensive as it is in other states, i couldn't have done that
that's what went through my mind 6 minutes in, those kids are probably at the top 10% compare with majority of the students, most students don't have the intellectual capacity to be on the scholarship and have to pay pretty much everything. Plus the bigger issue is the youth unemployment rate, there is simply no guarantee new grads will have a job. Education reform is what's needed
***** No, Viknesh. Just because you do well in school doesn't always mean you will get a scholarship. And even if you do, that doesn't mean it will pay for all or even the majority of your schooling. And who said anything about brats or kids who don't study hard? Those are your words. Who even said the kid should get all their fees paid? You're jumping to ridiculous conclusions here which doesn't help anyone as far as having a discussion. The issue is this video ONLY showing kids who have scholarships and doesn't really discuss the struggle that a lot of kids (who do well, get good grades and aren't "brats") go through when it comes to attempting to better themselves by getting higher education.
Obama: "Let's hear how student loans are effecting each of you individually."
Almost every student: "I have these awesome scholarships"
*Facepalm*
yet the debt surpass 1 trillion
Right? Fucking hell.
I was going to post the same.. Well i was to make a huge post, but i see there are post's of what i would say..
Darkries Hunter
Republicans and Dems in the House and Senate can ignore the problem all they want but it is going to hit the fan eventually. The loan restructuring is nice but it just extends out the loan from 10 to 20+ years.
Embarrassing for entire production team is what is is. Naive and cavalier complaints from well-off students instead of the majority without scholarships.
Why not talk to students that are not in the top of the class and have scholarships out the rear end. talk to the average college student.
***** Maybe. Made some interesting points though, its not ENTIRELY fake :P
SignalLost730 I don't think its propaganda to tell you the truth. the students were screened to well is all.(lol) Vice is better than this. To see some real propaganda visite RT, its all pro-putin
+Tyler Bush What's wrong with propaganda if it's a positive message the administration is trying to get out there? I look at this video and think Obama wants people to know he's aware of the high college costs and want to hear first hand from the students attending and their perspective of the problem. I mean in all honesty in a world as big as ours you kind of have to have these kind of videos to relay messages to people. And of course if you get to have a sit down with the President it's going to have to be well deserving kids and pre-screened..I don't thing there's anything wrong with that.
+SignalLost730 You're saying you would just pick kids at random to meet the President of the USA? Censoring is when you prevent information, Obama is just trying to get a message out that he's aware of the high tuition cost issue, that's all this is.
Every time I watch videos like this I think to myself: Thank God I don't live in America!
Thank god you live in a country that isn't productive and contribute to humanity like we have/do.
TheBic4
If you don't mind me asking, what is your big contribution?
TheBic4 People from our country have contributed a lot, but our government has done a lot more harm than good. See Nagasaki, Hiroshima, the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, the funding of the Mujahideen in the 80s, the Chilean Genocide, the genocide in East Timor, the Indonesian Genocide, the bombings of Cambodia during the Vietnam War, the Vietnam War itself, the funding of Saddam Hussien, and much much more.
TheBic4 Granted, we helped rebuild after Nagasaki, Hiroshima. We also helped rebuild Germany and Europe too.
marshawn lynch what country are you from? Loving the AMERICAN brand on your AMERICAN TH-cam profile btw
We're a nation that can spend $4 trillion on wars, but scoff at the idea of funding university education. What an absolute shame.
We are a nation of hucksters and salesmen. That’s who we are… everybody’s a customer not a citizen.
one cool ass president. Back to the white folk pretty soon.
***** To be fair, its mainly congress's fault that nothing gets done
A. G-E Um... he's not cool in fact he's worse then Bush, name one thing that Obama has done right since he's been President.
^ hahaha
A. G-E I'm waiting.... go on name something,.
***** yeah more then half of the shit you listed is very much wrong lol. the F-22 was never killed they built 187 of them. The F-35 project is far more expensive and is the worst Fighter jet project in U.S History and is still going
It's just sad that your that fucking stupid that you went to some crappy website that gave you such crappy info.
If you voted for this guy, you should pay more taxes for the next 4 years as to offset all the shit you caused us who didn't
cutting the military by 5-10% would pay for all this bullshit... but you idiots would rather lose trillions of dollars on war.
CaptainDave Vote Libertarian next time.
010101 010101 Libertarian is also off the scale of sanity. they put too much faith with corporations. there needs to be a balance between gov and businesses...
CaptainDave They have a better foreign policy. Less time spent with foreign issues and more with domestic. Less government in your life as a whole, less debts to rank up because they decide they want to send out troops everywhere they please.
CaptainDave that is the common misconception - the power of corproations is only possible because they get to buy government (and or join government temporaraily, since it's all just revolving door) and write regulations that fit them. the guaranteed student loan itslef is government and all educational institutions being in cahoots with the banks to enrich BANKS AND SCHOOLS while impoverishing the students.
Education is the best investment in the future of a country, hell even of all mankind. I never understood how can u make such high barriers for people to get education.
I think he wanted to say, oil and war is the best investment. ( not for the people tho)
Andre Barros Pretty much man....
Colleges became for profit plain and simple. Nothing else besides that. They got used to the state money and when the economy contracted in 2007 they kept raising pay and bonuses. As it all crashed down they kept doing the same as states begin to cut back hard.
Now you are in a vicious cycle as people get lower paying jobs so less tax revenue and then less money to colleges and then less high paying jobs. You get how this game eventually works out.
There should be higher barriers for education. Not everyone should go to college.
Seriously it is shameful how college is just practically out of reach for people who are on the lower side of the economic scale.
Student loan situation is a nightmare 17 year-old kid sign something that can affect their whole lives when they don't know the first thing about anything all they know is the pressure to go to school not the consequences good or bad
Why not address the root cause? With the access to information the way it is today with the internet, we should rethink the way we go to college. We should cut out the middle man and develop community testing centers. The courses and content are out there for free! We don't need to throw money at this problem, simply need to rethink the process.
First thing you can do very easily is get rid of the paper books and switch to an electronic system. Unfortunately lobbyist control everything in this country. Just bootleg the books and save 1,000's a year.
Simple PDF file on your tablet or phone a college makes you pay for a book on top of their tuition. It is a cozy relationship costing us TRILLIONS! The entire scam is going to crash after the middle class is tapped out from running up loans to send their kids to college.
ehh.. dude..that's a naive way of thinking. How many recognized and certified online courses are there? How many quality jobs/corporations/industries accept online course certificates?? Sure, we should rethink the problem, but saying we don't need to throw money at it is just plain, sorry, stupid.
peterpiperdiedharper So you think that even though we have gone through a revolutionary change in the way we share information and communicate, an ancient instruction and certification method and is still ideal? You my friend are clinging onto paradigms. I earned an online degree while working. I make 120k base. Who cares how the individual gets smart, just test their intelligence and move on. #evolve
richsums mate, did you miss critical reading courses, since your are putting words into my mouth. Nowhere did I say the old system is ideal, but to think here you are *an online graduate* who has figured out a way no one else seems to understand. is a tad bit too much assuming of yourself.
There are several reasons what you said cannot be directly implied primarily, the slow speed of practically implementing a total revolutionary system *removing the middleman* as you said. Second, there is the political clutter that one has to get through to be able to implement changes, Being a good politician involves being a good negotiator, which means often getting a 100% of what you want is impossible. Third, your plan to remove the middle man will only work for undergraduates up to a certain degree, Institutions like universities were initially build to facilitate learning and gathering knowledge in one big hub, Sure, things have changed due to the nature of the system we live in, But, universities are even if they have turned into money making systems still hold a lot of accreditation, and are recognized for their degrees, something online courses have just barely started doing.
BDW, do tell me what online degree you received.
richsums I don't think that's ever going to really work for most people. College is about more than just memorizing information and taking exams. College exposes you to ideas and people you might never have met otherwise. It provides you with tons of ways to get involved on campus or within the community tackling issues that are important to you. It also lets you network with people who are likely to be your colleagues in the future. You can't get all of that from an online course.
If you going to make community colleges free. Start sending my money back.
you Americans are truly selfish.. never capable to think beyond yourselves.
CaptainDave the truth is whatever the government claims will be "free" is actually costing the rest of the country much more than it is worth - guess why most european countries are drowning in debt at the moment though they don't have anything close to the war expenditure that america has? and look at france with all their so-called "free social programs" they are neck deep in debt and in reality is in just as deep dire straits as greece.
Wtf happened to the days where we wanted better for our future generations? Now it's just "if I had to do it, so do you"
CaptainDave first of all, this is an American video. You have no business being here if you're not American and don't understand the situation. It affects you in no way.
***** everyone from modern countries pay taxes the difference is the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes.Also cutting the military would solve that problem without even raising taxes on the poor and middle class... so you are not paying more period if the government is smart enough to do the right thing.
The Internet has free education, just read and read and read and then read more and make things on your own. Just saying.
+Enrique Godinez well you said it right!
+Enrique Godinez 100% correct.You are only constrained by your drive or lack of it !! And most of the time the education available online for free is better than the one available in classrooms !! I can say this for sure about classrooms in India !! The current system has destroyed generations.
The major issue you forgot is that four years ago, online college became a very big thing, but according to surveys, however, bosses looking to hire kids that are straight out of college, over 50% of them would hire a kid who went to a traditional university over an online university
Tyler Livingston My buddy is making $100k a year working for American Express and learned IT from the Internet. It happens. I have another good friend of mine that works for Honeywell, no degree, flunked out actually, and is a mechanical engineer for them. It does happen.
"Every student should do porn in case you can't afford college"
President Obama is so nice!
Yeah, He's super nice, especially when he orders bombs dropped on children and prosecutes record numbers of whistle blowers.
David Scott He never specifically ordered bombs on children. With regards to whistle blowers, to some regard, yes this is true. But President Obama is not above the law, so assuming this, all parties should be prosecuted according to the law in place. Furthermore, President Obama is correct to address debts (specifically, student loans), health care, foreign policy, and climate change. As mentioned, Americans should all engage and vote. Its baffling that 1/3 of Americans vote. If you don't vote, then you can't complain.
Used Books
"He never specifically ordered bombs on children." anwar al awlaki's son was murdered by a drone. He was with a family at the time. Do we know if he was specifically targeted? No, because the self described,"Most Open Administration in History" exerts executive privilege to cover up how drone targets are selected. Also we know that the Admin employs double tap drone strikes aimed at first responders who are....families.
"But President Obama is not above the law, so assuming this, all parties should be prosecuted according to the law in place." This is a joke, you know this if you are poor, no one is equal before the law, it depends on what power and what connections and how much money you have.
"Americans should all engage and vote. Its baffling that 1/3 of Americans vote. If you don't vote, then you can't complain."
I can complain, I don't vote, all you get is a different criminal every few years. Voting is the slave's suggestion box.
***** There is nothing cool about his clothes.
Making community college free is a great start to keep the student debt down. I'm currently in community college since I still did not know what was I going to do in life and had no plan on paying a four year university. The only thing I'm missing is going to parties and drinking my liver away. I go to school fully paid in financial aid and at night I work as an assistant for the English as second language program in work study. If I would have gone back to the fall after graduating high school, I would redo it all over again.
horrible interview. Whats the point of getting Obama on vice if you're just gonna ask him questions we already knew?
Jimmy kimmmel asked him the same questions
It was probably the only way Barack would do the interview.
It was bad but they were kids. One of the guys was smiling so hart it looked like his teeth were going to pop out lol. But when the adult in the room asked a real question Obama evaded lol.
Because all the questions are scripted, reviewed by his administration and rehearsed. Its a joke.
sure ... pretty disappointed about VICE this time.
The amount of trolls in this comment section though.
Education should be a fucking birthright, not a monetary game to shackle people into twenty-first century serfdom.
We have major issues with education today: the costs, the increased demand of qualifications for students post-education, and the risk automation has to the solvency of the entire enterprise, which is rarely discussed. Today we are heavily concerned about paying money just to learn, just in the *hopes* one can be a somebody, that all of our paper certificates truly make us ready to be in the "real world". Tomorrow it's to see that after buying into that bullshit and playing along like a good little boy or girl, you see the double bind of our culture that expects more and more out of you despite this insoluble cost, that what you did amounted to very little and you are shackled in a game you may never, ever escape from. Soon, one will have to deal with all of that *AND* a situation where machinery can learn what a person can in a 4th of the time, and that human labor will slowly be eroded from most of this economy. From stem to stern, the education enterprise is ruined.
We have to really rethink this entire situation. Should we really be expecting people to go into astronomical amounts of debt in the *hope* of getting a job that will very likely be automated in their lifetime? Is this *really* the fucking game we're going to play with people?
even though i disagree with the education being the birthright part, you bring up many good points and points i ponder a lot at times.
Obama looks SOOO tired
Jay Ebs Imagine listening to Mitch McConnell and John Boehner all the time. I'd throw myself off the White House roof. He's more resilient than I.
*****
You're one of those, huh? Good for you!
***** LOL no... it's because he's president
Must be fucking expensive. Where i live university is free, i get money from my parents and the the state, but still i have to work 10h per week as well. Housing and food is fucking expensive here...
what country are you from
also nothing is free in the world of education, some way or another your course is being paid for you.
Herve Shango You're wrong, travel a bit and you'll figure it out, that and healthcare is free everywhere else. They charge you a leg and an arm in the US simply because they can. Here university is an average sallary every 6 months, compared to the US that's free.
yeah same where I live its pretty much free, but got a part time job to pay for food, drinks and buses getting in and out of college.
is0zy i am not from the usa, i am from uk, even though students in uk go to uni for free, it is still being paid for you, your wrong mate.
More propaganda brought to you by VICE and the White House. Que the concerned music.
You mean to tell me they didn't bring up the fact that since government started subsidizing higher educations the institutions started charging double what a higher education used to cost? I'm shocked.
Just please tell us how this is propaganda
dapperedavid
LOL, please tell me how it isn't? BHO is pushing some bill and VICE is supporting him and it in exchange for an exclusive interview, no doubt.
David Scott no I mean, what signs of propaganda do you see? How is this video trying to actively influence your mind in such a way that is apparently what HBO wants you to think?
I'd like to see him speak to some teens in high school who already know they're screwed.
It's 15 minutes like this that can inspire one of those students to achieve great things. I hope our future leaders take the time to meet the next generation.
Looking at the comments makes me sad. Bashing on a president that tries to give you the chance for a better life...
Stop watching "Fox News", you'll feel better.
I am so impressed with Vice! Never ceases to amaze me..
Vice news decided to bow down and ask soft ball questions and didn't even follow those soft questions with any follow up and call out any of Obama's questions
As a Brit, every time I watch Obama he just seems more and more clued in. I think he is genuinely just a well educated man, who looks at multiple sides of the argument, but is in a system of old laws and idiots.
Not sure if this has anything to do with Vice's progressivist stint but it seems like they have been much more heavily biased since Bill Maher (an Obama campaign donor) became an executive producer on their HBO show. I had so much hope for Vice being the only truly unbiased news source when they were getting on the ground, fact based coverage (which they still do some of), but they have flushed it all down the drain with this blind partisan horseshit. It is a practically undisputed fact that college tuition inflation has been caused by unrestricted student loans heavily supported by Obama, (that are quite similar to the subprime mortgaga loans of the 2008 economic crisis). Yet Obama gets to use Vice as a mouthpeice spouting lies and ignoring that this current problem and potential major crisis wasn't perpetrated by his administration. Its just depressing.
You guys want to take picture together ?
I am in college now, and the Irish Government pays (a grant) for the 4 years of college depends were your living and how far you live from it. Its not impossible to go to college/University and have a part time job on the weekend. All I am paying with my part time job is food and drinks and get a small amount of money off my parents. Like around €100 very month or so. It must be harder in America to do this and do the State Government give a grant to every student?
Most people get grants from companies, not the government.
If you know anything about American companies, you can imagine how easily they snake the unfortunate people getting loans from them...
ShakinJamacian yeah our government pretty much pay for our college/university 3k most a year
MrPsychoDog You have a humane government. Unfortunate that the United States values paper currency over actual living things.
I envy Europe. Not to compare as an "Us vs Them" ideal, but most people there are far more reasoned in the world outside of the US. I imagine most of the EU will have unconditional incomes for all citizens before the US even *considers* the fucking idea. We don't even have decent health care.
ShakinJamacian The think is the American Government are spending $700billion on military you think they should spend a small bit of that to the education to help get student to finish college/university and be able to do something after it. Instead of paying off the loans on a job you do not want to be doing.On the other hands America spends $632billion on education and still needs to put a bit more money so students can live life after college/university.
Oh healthcare America can not give out if their government are spending $2.8trillion,Most EU countries don't have as good hospital and healthcare then America.
***** All things cost time and resources of the planet. It's when we add money as a rule of measurement on top of that where it all gets messy.
Consider for a moment on why so few nations have not eliminated poverty. They often start with "where's the money going to come from" as if it comes from somewhere. We make it! But we take currency as objective wealth, when it's nothing more than a subjective tool we use.
Our psychological attitude towards money is what prevents us from making better societies as we really can, and is the central stopgap in the United States to preventing all of its citizens with health care and an assured minimum income.
VICE does good stuff. They actually are journalists. It's nice......and rare. Interviews and stuff like this are a thousand times more valuable than what most major news networks do.
How fucked up would it be if we go from this guy to Trump
The world, and Australia, agrees with you /Thumbsup
This feels like a 15 minute commercial.
How much did the White House pay VICE to make this commercia...err..."round table" interview?
Times like these I appreciate the fact that I was blessed with a full ride.
I don't like how set up this feels
As an artist, I wasted my life listening to teachers telling us to get all these honors/AP classes with clubs, and volunteer jobs on the side instead of practicing 3D modeling/figure Drawing etc. All the mental breakdown was worth nothing, I graduated on top with others and still got nothing. I was a perfectionist because teachers said it would say something to colleges about me but it was still worth nothing. They say they're preparing you for college but theyre too dumb to realize that not all of us, if not most of us will not go to the same college. The government should just let those who know what they wanna be, study right away instead of forcing us into shitty general useless courses
VICE hosted a roundtable discussion, moderated by VICE founder Shane Smith, with President Barack Obama and five students who discussed the challenges surrounding student debt and the pursuit of higher education in the US.
Watch “President Barack Obama Speaks with VICE News” - bit.ly/1ErlXvn
Nitron DSP Everything is propaganda.
Bullshit vice outing themselves
I don't agree that this is propaganda. Vice are pretty face value. And there is some blatantly disheartening answers from Obama (government support, blaming state senators, taxes angle) which are as clear as day here. Also, Shane's demeanor seems to be focused, neutral and civil. This is good as it encourages the viewer to actually listen and stop allowing the broadcaster to overwhelm the point with their channel's agenda. In terms of style, yes, vice is very slick and I can see why some mistake this as propagating favour for Obama. But I think its quality and technical appeal only represent the channel itself. Vice dresses appropriately and let's the guest speak for himself. This is clearest angle I've gotten in Obama. It's much easier to gauge his verbal effectiveness when his party's theatrical embellishments are left outside the room. And that is thanks to vice.
VICE News Nice job guys !
that's really cool that you got obama to be an interviewee and got him to sit down at a round table discussion but couldn't you have had some of the students on the panel be attending college who are either taking out a student loan or else working to pay their way through college? all of these guys seemed to be on some kind of scholarship and that isn't most non-rich kids student's stories.
Selfcritical, down to earth and honest. How could anyone not like this guy?
This guy is a joke
VICE is one of the best sources of information in the world. Thank you for your effort VICE.
Too bad Obama doesn't really give a shit and even if he did, he doesn't have enough power to make anything happen.
***** So if Obama doesnt care about free education then who was that back guy with white hair in the video?
ethan schreiber it's all for show, so he has the people's support.
If he doesn't care why is he pushing for free community college and debt forgiveness for students....hmmm
Lincoln Abraham Because he knows those ideas will make him and his party popular.
Its not "free" community college, its publicly-funded community college. AKA you, me and every other taxpayer is paying for it.
And debt forgiveness is complete bullshit. Its another tax on the American people to support college graduates who statistically will make enough money to pay back that loan in time. And if you DON'T make enough money, because you take a bullshit liberal arts degree or go to a garbage college, that is 100% on you and not on me as the taxpayer to help you out.
When you sign the forms applying and receiving loan money, that is a contract between you and the loaner. You are responsible for your actions. If you spend 100k on a degree, that is your problem. If you turn around and want Good Ol' Uncle Sam to bail you out then go fuck yourself. Removing personal-responsibility from citizens, increasing government spending, and increasing government power is a road to hell paved with good intentions.
My understanding is that federal student loans is what drove up the cost of college education. The reason is that with highly available low interest student loans the demand curve increased for college education, and universities took advantage of that by increasing tuition as well as spending money frivolously.
borrow borrow borrow. slave machine
It's really amazing to see how vice has grown from doing weird obscure documentaries that are suppose to grab attention. To doing things no other news organization does like imbed with Isis, be on the battlefield with Libyan rebels, live stream furgeson protests, or have these types of meaningful discussions with our president. I have mad respect for vice and the things they do for the sake of journalism!
Bring back this show.
My parents never went to college and have no clue how expensive it is, but they keep pushing me to go, they don't understand how terrible my life will be if were to go with a loan, the amount of stress it will bring me in the future, they have no clue how unfair the system is. It's made for kids who have rich parents, if you don't have rich parents, well, tough shit. Either graduate with 250k debt, or get a blue collar job and hope you can make a living out of it. It's not about how smart or gifted you are, it always comes down to who your family knows and the connections that have already been established. Rich kids are so fucking lucky. My life is going to be complete hell, and i have no idea what to do.
Education has now become just another cash cow for banks. I fucking hate how corrupt the banking system is in the USA. Everyone suffers except for the bankers.
I just wish university was affordable.
Fantastic interview. The Roundtable approach was perfect. Thanks, VICE News
This has got to be one of the many things I like about Obama. I am from Sydney Australia, and am right now completing my HSC course and hope to go to University. I really enjoyed this talk not because it was informative, but the fact that Obama would participate in such a informal meeting with other students. I really respect the choices that Obama has made to the people of America, and I believe that his easy-going nature and kindness is an amazing attribute which is expressed in this very video!
I'm not in any way an expert but I do read a little bit about student loans and this is just my understanding of what was asked @ 12:18. When Shane Smith asked about why the shift from state to federal it really sounded like he was given the run around. Basically, and I could be wrong, the shift was made so that money made from student loans could supplement the healthcare changes. The intention ( that isn’t working) was to use the money made from student loans to pay for “Obamacare”. Before the switch students for the most part had lower interest rates. many states had interest rates at half if not more of what they are now. The bottom line is this change increased interest rates and students/parents will pay more for education. …Smith's question I thought was pretty straight forward. I wish the round table consisted of other people who understood enough to have a better conversation but I guess that's the point of having high school kids ask questions.
Nice video!!!
14:07 the face of inspiration
This is great. Just hope what you start to build will continue
I'd like him to talk to a bunch of high school students who already know they're fucked.
Quade Axford Unless this bill comes to action soon. Possibly being the first generation of free college, bragging rights
thank u mister after your advice I start caring about my education although i am in Yemen,and we don't have schools
Went to college for teaching. Graduated while working. Living now in da hood, broke as hell. Got a job (3rd grade whoot!). I have hot water, a leased car, and have a second job. No regrets.
PS: I really respect and have a lot of compassion and admiration for our President B. H. Obama. I'm glad I voted twice for him.
I think it's cool that he asked these kids if he took a picture with them.
Like to try on helping, instead of being selfish. I am happy that people have a forum to talk about matters.
Bravo Vice! Well Done x
Still cant fathom the student situation in the US.
Its crazy..
Thank you vice. I felt like obama was talking to me.
Very Friendly guy! :)
Or how about this,why blue collar jobs get thrown in holes? the problem is not the scholarships but the fact that every young person for some reason is under the assumption that if you become an economist,a lawyer a corporate worker for a big firm or some thing like that,you have essentially succeeded,but if you become an electrician,blacksmith or for an example woodworker you have failed?!
I know a guy who studied marketing and atm is working for below average pay and is unable to pay back credits for school while at the same time i know a dude who by accident found a blacksmith who had an advert for apprenticeship and is now making quite large amounts of money by working as one him self for a private horse ranch.
You take cash that you don't have to learn a trade that almost nobody needs and then you ponder why are you in the situation that you are!
At the same time trades that were considered an every day norm 40 years ago nowadays can't find people willing to work,and it's not because of bad paychecks,most of them pay quite well. My country has gone down to a point where a good welder can earn twice as much as a good lawyer simply because there are too many people with law degrees but almost nobody willing to get their hands dirty.
Being a freshman in high school.
Im am way to stressed out about college, both of my older siblings are not currently going to any form of high education.
My parents are not in any financial stand point in any way to support me.
So this worrys me, alot.
Im setting myself up for failure, no AP classes, no advice being given to me.
And no way of knowing what my game plan is.
My father said something to me that struck me as true. He said " back in my day, we had barebones dorms, shit food, bad everything, and we still LOVED college. They keep trying to make college into a resort for people; your main focus in college should be studying! "
And he's right though, this huge increase in college cost is because college has become such a "resort-style" thing. Obviously there are some flaws here, but the basis of my dad's statement is true: fluffed up schools front fluffed up costs.
This was awesome
The main problem with the US further education system is privitisation. It encourages higher intrest student loans that are focused on creating profit over what works best for the student.
So... Let me get this straight. Mr. President Obama says God bless you, and nothing happens, but a christian school kid says God bless you, and he gets suspended? Not fair. :/
I'd like to know what he has to say on socializing education and eliminating tuition costs to the students directly
Yeah, I live in Texas and I went to junior college for 2 years before university. Tuition per class was $150...ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS PER CLASS. A full time schedule is 12 or more hours so that comes to $750 (5 classes X 150/per class), and with smart book shopping one could get a semester for under $1,000. I worked part time to pay for it, took out loans for the last two years, and graduated with 12,000 in school debt. I graduated 7/2012 and am now debt free. I believe problems arise when people, for some reason, think they need to do all of their schooling at a four year university for $5K+/Semester. A little critical thinking will go a long ways. Additionally, with the proper education/skill building from parents to children at a young age, college isn't necessarily for everyone. I know several people who own a business or worked their way up to a well-paid position. In school, kids aren't taught how to plan for college/life or manage money. I think if we fix our education system, then we would see big changes.
*keep it simple, stupid*
I once heard a theory about why education costs are going up so rapidly. So currently, interests are capped at a certain rate (much lower than the would be the case if it was capped), therefore, more and more students (some much less apt at college than others) were able to get these loans, and get into college. Because of the availability of these loans, colleges were not being challenged by the competitive free market to make things cheaper (since students were now operating with a larger money pool of low interest school loans).
So the theory is, if you take out the cap on student loans and make these loans operate on the same principles of supply and demand as the rest of the economy, then only those who are willing to pay the higher price would get the loans, and henseforth, colleges would have more competition since less people with loans would be coming in as a whole, and they would cut costs in order to lower tuition (basic competitive advantage)
So glad to live in Germany (You only have to pay about 400€ each semester here.)
I have been burning through credit, now I am burdened by debt.
Have a nice day
I wonder how the high cost of tuition, loans, and expenses for medical doctors and nurses, affects the cost of our medical system- for both the provider and consumer of health care.
Tell it like it is Obama. You are my hero because I am for; Education, a clean environment, right livelihood and better yet, the union!!!...📓📔📕📗📘📙📚
More round table with the president. I Love this vice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with every president or even our officials.
Hit play, got inspired. Hit Page Down, got depressed. We can't improve education access and quality soon enough.
One reason college is so expensive is that the government keeps subsidizing the cost with grants and loans to students. As long as politicians keep voting to do this, costs will continue to rise. Secondly, colleges compete for students by filling their places with resort-like amenities, further increasing costs. Why should I as a taxpayer foot the bill for someone who wants to go away to these places? If you can't afford it, get a job and save enough money for a community college. If you do borrow money, uphold your honor and pay the money back under the terms to which you agreed. It's disturbing that first home loan borrowers, and now student loan borrowers, are starting to expect that the taxpayer help them pay off their loan. We are losing basic values in this country, like the value of paying off a debt. Also, why doesn't the president ever extol the value of the trades? Are we going to have a society of under employed educated people who can't even build a birdhouse? I believe college is LESS relevant than in decades past. One of the reasons to go to college in the past was because colleges had the libraries -- technology has mitigated that. Online learning further erodes the college's reason for being. The world is changing and this whole discussion seems oblivious to the changes. That's fine. Just don't ask me to pay for it.
Online education should be free to all, it is despicable that we live in a society where a person's education is only valid if they paid money for it.
Tuition should definitely go down, otherwise I won't be able to afford the new Apple watch, Macbook, Nikes, and eat out on the weekends.
Obama brings up a great point. When you cap revenue (i.e. not raise taxes), yet at the same time implement wasteful laws and regulations (like the 3 strikes you're out), you essentially either have to cut education support or take on massive amount of debt.
First off Shane Smith is just awesome. I don't agree with everything our President says or does but he's the first one in a long time I've actually been proud of.
Hey Shane he just lied at about 9:15 the Pell Grant Program was cut by some 150 million to hire more student loan debt collectors if i remember right
Nobody mentioned that it is government grants and backed loans that are artificially bidding up the cost of education.
The US seems fine with taking on debt in many forms, but when it comes to taking on abit of debt in something as important as the education department, magically just can't afford to anymore.
Education should be free, all levels, across the globe. An educated population is a more useful population. In addition, with free education, anyone and everyone would be able to better themselves and apply themselves in fields they enjoy, resulting in their performance in that field being exponentially better than your average worker today just holding a job.
Imagine a society where everyone working a job, is working a job they enjoy and are passionate about and were able to pursue those careers thanks to access to any education required without the worry of burying themselves alive in bills... how productive we would all be doing what we enjoy... Going into work would no longer be a burden necessary to pay bills, instead it would bring enjoyment and additional effort to be added to do that much better of a job, because it's something you like and enjoy doing well....
Isn't that something we should be striving for? The only way you make progress in fields is by having people who enjoy being in those fields to begin with. If the majority of people are simply working a job they hate, just to pay bills, they're not only going to feel burdened, but they won't give two shits if they do the job well or not, because it's not something they care about, and that hurts overall productivity by a large margin. And all as a result of banks wanting to make a quick buck off of generations vital to the succession of society. What a joke.
11:42 Good question, bad answer. Spending money on defense is redundant. Defund it, put the surplus into education. That's why you're the President, to make America better.
Why did they interview students who all had scholarships? It seems to defeat the point of the discussion.
At around the 12:14 mark the presidents genius and honesty hit me. He really is brilliant and in my humble opinion, wants to change all the crookedness.
Give him a break already!
Shane Smith for president!!
For older students, school should be a self study and exam/certification system. Instead of having teachers lecture, students would use tutors to help them as needed. Exams and their results would be accessible online to prospective employers, so that they can objectively judge job applicants. Standardized exams would make it easier to compare students instead of relying on school pedigree and GPA. The exams should be written with guidance from industry because they hire the workers. This system would be accessible to almost anyone who can buy study materials and has the time to study. Instead of building more schools, public libraries could be used as study halls and tutors would be on site.
What's the catch?
Thanks vice for that soft ball interview. No real questions about why the gov made 4.9 billion dollars off of students backs.
Didn't expect this kind of p.r from vice. But what do I know.
Well done Mr.President. Community college can be a good ticket for the average students to enhance themselves to the University Degree.
I honestly don't understand why everyone gets so upset about everything Obama does. Tons of people hold his feet to the fire over such trivial matters like how he salutes soldiers or his mannerisms when he speaks. When I listened to this discussion I see someone doing there best to make small, realistic, and positive changes to our society. Even if you hate him, you have to admit that Obama is at least well grounded in reality, and that's more than you can say for his constituents.
I'd like to hear what his opinion is on "for-profit" institutions that have no interest in ensuring that their students graduate, instead focusing on siphoning as much money from the government via unsuspecting young people as possible. I got suckered into one shortly out of high school, naive and confident it was the way to go. After a couple years, it became too expensive for me to continue and I could no longer get financial assistance (including private loans), leaving me with a bill for nearly $30,000 and nothing to show for it. I learned very little during my time there and if I could do it over again I would stay as far away from higher education as possible.
Sorry, no hate, but I've never seen another president address issues like this face to face with diverse students in my lifetime. A fantastic move by Obama on his way out. He's realizing just how much he can do to make a difference now that he doesn't have to campaign.
I gotta say the scariest part of this interview was hearing the Commander-in-Chief of the United States say that he had to look at younger generations to feel inspired......
The man is a bloody gem...