I understood nothing, however I was fascinated by everything so I've subbed. I look forward to being entertained and confused in equal measure in the near future
Wow, NT4 and IBM 8265 was bleeding edge in 97-98, amazing to see it still functional. Even with perfect care, eventually the age of the ICs and passives will catch up. Great work!
This is something I learned in the Military from an officer I worked for....Write everything down. Keep a journal. This was per-computer. Then when Phone systems (PBX) changed from Analog to Digital (Mid 80's) this note taking really kicked in. You could print your changes but the next tech may not understand how your made your changes. This system He's working on acts just like our Nortel / Octel systems.
So cool! So you know how to operate a Lawo MC2 82 or did it already have the newer MC2 66 installed? I think this truck here is the only one left with the original desk. All the best, Tobi
@@LeonSteelpaw I did get the spares of the console they took down - it is in parts and used to keep their functioning system (and now mine, too) alive! All the best, Tobi
Wow, I haven't seen an old IBM 8265 ATM Switch for a long time. That is a blast from the past. I am not on the audio production side, but the network side and lucky enough we have thrown out all of our ATM equipment many years ago. I am surprised they still use it in places, but then saw the Windows NT computers boot up, and then that was self explanatory of the ATM use... 🤣👍🤠 Gotta love the 1990's!
There's just nothing that's able to beat the flexibility and guarantees that ATM could deliver, even today. Nowadays, you just swamp everything with bandwidth to make sure you don't get into situations where you'd need ATM features.
@@JD-lx2yf Ohh would love to try a modern lawo some time! What do you think have changed, despite the way these consoles are built (these old lawos are completely modular while the new ones seem more like a fixed solution) all the best, Tobi
Beautiful, This looks like a Truck from a german radio station. I'm still sitting on a pile of the same Lawo console and at some point I'll set it up again :D
Yes this is one of three trucks from Deutschlandfunk :) Ah you have one of these? I am still interested in DSP boards and other spares if you have anything left over let‘s chat :) Where are you located? All the best, Tobi
ATM, took me a few minutes to remember Asynchronous Transfer Mode. That was a rather complicated switching setup with wrong docs. Glad you could figure it out the setup error. I worked on TDM (Time Division Multiplexing) stuff before ATM and Frame Relay became popular. Looks like ATM survived. I like how they changed the prompt to make sure the scripts would work. They should doc that stuff in bold with a warning: "Nothing will work without this!" lol
Haha yeah most of my documentation acts like it is daily business but 25 years later it gets confusing sometimes :D Did you work with ATM in the past? All the best, Tobi
Hallo Tobias, ich folge dir schon eine Weile, aber das hier ist nun mein Favorit. Ich bin happy zu sehen was du dir drauf geschafft hast mit der Doku, die ich dir mal geschickt habe, und dass du in der Lage bist so eine Anlage wieder an den Start zu bringen. Besuch uns doch mal bei LAWO. Dieter😉
Hallo Dieter! Ich hab mich riesig über dein Kommentar gefreut! :) Schön zu lesen dass da seitens LAWO wohlwollend auf meine Arbeit geblickt wird. Ich möchte super gern nochmal Kontakt aufnehmen für 1-2 Fragen, wie erreiche ich dich am besten? Ich glaube meine Mail ist hier im Kanal vermerkt. Oh und ich bin hin und wieder in Stuttgart, da ists nach Rastatt nicht weit! Vielen lieben Dank für die Alles und beste Grüße, Tobias
Amazing video and a most fascinating truck and systems. The detail required to fix the configuration does not surprise me in that examples of this all hidden in systems all over the place. Even with the manuals, it takes a certain mindset to get your head around it to make things work because the manuals often only actually give around the minimum information to configure something correctly, rather than a detailed explanation of how each parts works. When you are working with a terminal program or looking at manuals it is often best to use a 'programmer' font or typeface to make differentiation between similar characters as clear as possible. Sometimes a web browser can be configured to used such a font as default if you do a lot of this as it can make programming easier. Thanks for all the time and effort putting this video together. I really enjoyed watching this. You have a new subscriber!
Ohh thank you so much!!! Also yes I work with an ancient version of codewright on NT4 rn and would love to have colour coding and also display what line I‘m working on as the system refers to certain lines sometimes haha. Indeed configuring this is not easy. Thanks for following along and all the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks There are some editors, such as Notepad++ on Windows (from what I remember) that can identify program code and will automatically colour-code it making it much easier top read and navigate.
Sick video! Love to see lawo consoles in good shape like that! Btw i accually only post fire alarm stuff now since i didnt really have the equipment for and audio channel. I am still saving up for the new behringer win bk. I think it looks good, and will replace my digital daw in my home studio. But that is sick man! Keep it up :)
There must be a show configuration command that you could use on the first working controller and then just dump that config to the new ones if everything is the same? Haven't seen ATM stuff in many, many years, used to configure atm for a telco 20 years ago. Still remember VPC etc :)
Hi! Yes there should be. I knew I could configure it line by line in under an hour, so I did not take the risk to try a dump and load as I only had about two hours before I left the country. In my workshop I will try to do exactly that with my system! All the best, Tobi
Hi! Yes I think mostly for transmission, but they record stuff in there aswell. Sadly I had no opportunity to have a proper chat with the engineer that still routinely uses this desk. All the best, Tobi
Great video, dint had a clue what all of yhis was, googled a bit and intresting to read about this ibm 8265 switch thing, intresting boards too, wish i could afford to have one at home 🤭😅
@@tobitweaks cant find a email adress to say this in private. At the 26:21 time, did you mean to blur the plate too? (Can still be done in ytstudio) Saw a IBM A-MSS server module 82, or whatever that means for 666 dollars on the ebay. Thats alott more then free 😅 and no backplane or anything, just the board. Im wishing you alott more fun and experiences with the stuff you got 😊 seems pretty rare to have these working
This looks like every job I have had mixed into one, how do you get into repairing mixers? Between pc, copier, canbus, plc, aircraft, and programming repairs I think I can do this.
Amazing! I am a recording studio owner, started building analog audio equipment with DIY kits, went on to buy vintage broadcasting gear (you find a ton of it for super cheap, especially because you have two completely different typologies with east and west germany ;) Then I went on to buy my first large format console and when they offered me a digital console that runs on Win NT4 I only accepted the challenge because my father built computer systems in the 90s and helped me understand this kind of computing :) I documented all my restorations on youtube and people started to contact me as the original manufacturers discontinued support for these mixing boards. Thanks for the inspiration - I should film a channel introduction haha :) All the best, Tobi
This is like a Lamborghini compared to the Honda stuff I worked on, but reminds me of working on AudioVault and ScottStudios back in the day when I worked in radio. Miss audio in general or just any kind of hardware. All 1s and 0s these days. At least we were running windows 2000 back in 2010.
@@georgwalt7978 Hi! No the Apple Cheesegraters are for multitrack recording. There is an actual power pc in the system that does the realtime calculations and controls the DSP. Everything else is managed by two computers that run windows NT4! All the best, Tobi
Did not use those but they were basically just a recording system and you could use any modern computer with a madi interface. Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
Did you just set the configuration on the switch for the interface and not modify the interface? I don't deal in ATEM just regular networking. But it seems cool.
Hi! Yeah ATM seems to be a thing from the past…what do you mean by „not modify the interface“? I configured the control point of the switch, yes. All the best, Tobi
Didn't see it mentioned in the comments yet, but you can copy the commands from the documentation into a configure.bat file on the windows system. Then you can just run the bat file next time, or for modifications just edit the commands in the bat file.
@@WizardsAnonymous Thank you! Yes with time I definetly want to play a bit with doing my own commands for the system. When they flew me in for that job I was happy to do things line by line as that helped me understand the system and really learn to configure this. All the best, Tobi
Hi! It seems like a dead battery inside the control point module caused the original unit to fail, and the spares just seemed unconfigured from the start. Weird to maybe they just forgot their config aswell? All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks thanks, Ah the battery failed! Maybe the spares came unconfigured, but yeah if they have an under voltage on the ram it will lose the contents. Great investigation! I had to laugh at the ATM addresses, comically long indeed, you'd think they'd put them in hex at least.
Hi! Yes that is one of the biggest question. The problem so far: ATM Networking is not a thing anymore and I can not find any ATM network card that works in a modern OS! All the software itself is super basic and already confirmed working under win10. If anyone can chip in and supply an ATM network card that runs on at least win XP that would be great! All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks you might have some luck if you get a hypervisor (like proxmox) and pass through some physical cards to supported OSes. not ideal but at least gets you away from most of the aging PC hardware.
@@tobitweaks I'm assuming the goal is to try to get modern OSes running on the existing ATM network? Are all of the devices on the network actually communicating on the IP layer running on top of ATM? If so, could you just replace the entire ATM portion of the network with something more modern like Ethernet?
They're still using this thing in production (and its such an important part of their business they flew you out) but they gave you all of those spares?
Hi! They have a ton of spares as they fusioned two consoles into one - so they still habe double the amount of spares that I am getting ;) All the best, Tobi
What about making your main fader console as small as this one and having a extra fader wing decoupled next to it in 90degree? :) would be fancy and maybe easier to handle!
Nice idea! I can actually split my console and take a third off but It wouldn‘t work as I would have to build new legs for the console. I only have two. All the best, Tobi
its sad to hear this sort of hardware is dying out, it seems so darn interesting! I really hope theres a place in the Netherlands where i could learn about this stuff
Yes, older ATM/TDM are indeed dying, but I'd argue that newer consoles are 10x more effienent and more powerful than the older systems. Look up the Audio Network in the Sphere in Las Vegas, this system is based on a protocol called Ravenna that uses an IP network that Lawo essentially created for their newer Audio over IP Console System.
Holy shit, it runs on Windows 98 (or NT)! That's quite old school. No doubt it's gonna run Doom... but will it run Half-Life? I'm still wondering how many megabucks went into outfitting that van. That's some hefty and cool pro audio gear there. Somewhat reminds me of the Aesthedes II computer in the Home Computer Museum. Definitely check it out if you haven't already - it's a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.
Hehe would be nice to have some games running on the console, tho I hope it does not affect the system :) Would love to know that aswell…the console that I have was part of a big installment that cost 1.1 million mark in 2000 (pre euro, course was 2:1 so half a million). Maybe I call the owner of the truck would also like to know how much he paid for it :) Thanks for the tip! All the best, Tobi
It was Windows NT4, pre Windows 2000/XP era. I used to look after a Network of workstations that ran NT 4.0. It was actually a pretty bulletproof system, I only once had problems with it when MS as usual borked an update, which caused Bluescreen crashes with the video driver. Also I don't think it could run Doom. Doom was dos based, which worked fine in WIndows 95/98, but NT ran on it's own kernel, so I don't think it was compatible. Win 2000 was that first shot of compatiblity, but it wasn't until XP came out where games worked within an NT system properly. I could be wrong though, it was 20-odd years ago. Some games could work on it, but if I remember right, it was missing Direct X stuff, so could only play simpler games. I think it came with solitaire, freecell and minesweeper.
Hmm hard to say. I know it is connected with a 3-Phase Plug to power, and I know that my own system „only“ needs about 2000 watts in total but this has more processing power and a huge climate control to keep everything cool. All the best, Tobi
Looks like a labor of love ! I worked on a recent Lawo MC2 here in China last year (Opera House), nothing wrong with it for sure (except that nobody is really familiar with it). I didn't see anything that DANTE couldn't do for instance, sound wise for a live show application any other higher end console would have done the job just as well. What am I missing about these consoles and what justifies the price tag?
Hmm what Lawo was it? I know they have quite the reputation in sports broadcasting now. Back then Lawo came from high standard analog broadcasting equipment same league and format as Neumann (back when they did consoles and EQs and Compressors). The Preamps and Converters in this Lawo (MC2 82) are just outstanding. Also their ability to configure and route signals in big installments is unlike anything I have ever seen. How it sounds like and feels to the user? I still don‘t know ;) Will test mine soon. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks It was an MC2 56 or 64, I can't find the photo I took, so I'm not 100% sure. Zhuhai Opera was built in 2017 so from around that time. Old school design with a glass window control room and Genelec speakers. As often in China because of fire regulations, there's little to no damping so live rooms come with reflections galore. No matter what PA they put in these places, it always sounds so so at best🤣 Lawo seem to be good at politics because most installations are publicly funded, here in China too. But I'm sure they're nice consoles but totally overkill for live venues or Football Match broadcast 🤣 Thanks for responding, and enjoy your console, it's most certainly awesome !
@@StirfriedGerman oh no hahaha but there is a lot of fireproof damping materials 🫣 So interesting thanks for sharing :) Yes as Lawo worked with the german public broadcast it seems logical that they are mainly installed in public places. Super expensive stuff. Also their latest console introduces tiny video screens with every fader where you can see the video attached to the signal so overkill yes but they seem to be very innovative with it aswell. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks I'm just getting rockwool panels for my studio. They would not pass a fire department inspection. Get the inspection first, then hang the panels. Or have a baksheesh ready 🤣 Zhuhai Opera burned their budget with the Lawo, almost no backline, just a few wireless mics, not even mic stands ... Saw this again recently in a new culture and arts center. They have wireless mics and headset mics, all Audiotechnika, 8+8 ... BOTH Allen & Heath DLive and Avantis control surfaces for a single DM64 mixrack racked behind the mixer with 50m cable runs to either side of the stage. A7H sales guy muist be a genius. Zero backline, bought Radial isolation boxes (16) instead of DI and have 6 mic stands and maybe 10 XLR cables. JBL line array is too spaced out so they use the 6 floor monitors as center fills all connected to a single matrix, hardwired. About 250 light fixtures on the ceiling (no joke). I think my wife did the shopping for that place. I had to run a show there 😆
they have the cooling system built into the service cabinet, passive cooling is not possible in a small space. They had them like this, closely stacked against each other in the server room where I used to work in TV Broadcast. They ran the Protools systems from there. You needed ear protection in there after 5 minutes, fans so loud.
The ventilation in the older Mac pros is usually straight through there's no side vents and apple's smart fan system will increase the speed if it's too hot
@@pinmast0r Hi! Excellent question :) They used it to host audio processor cards (DSP). The ATM switch architecture was perfect to route a ton of audio streams simultaneously!!! and losless!! from A to B :) Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
@tobitweaks that's insane, I used to work in telecoms and have seen the wrong side of plenty of these beasts. I'd never considered it but it's no different to carrying multiplexed telephone calls or data streams. Same thing. Just really didn't expect it 😂
Can you imagine trying to run something like this with Windoz 11?! Probably do an update in the middle of a recording session and break the system... 🤥
I'm still terrified about the servers that run that ancient NT, what happens when the motherboards die? Or the hard disks give up? I think someone needs to look at virtualizing the servers and finding a way to pass through ATM cards.
Could this truck be replaced with modern tech? Most would be digital I guess, could probably put it in a smaller van these days? What's the cost of keeping it running vs replacing?
Hi! I think these Trucks literally cost millions to build. Apart from that I think there are two reasons to keep this one working: a) It sounds great and b) there are people trained to work on this desk. So why build a new one? Also I already replaced a computer, so if you habe a motherboard that is able to run windows NT4 you can replace any of these servers at any time no problem. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks Try and find identical motherboards to run this very specific hardware/software in say 10+ years, the joy of visualizing this stuff is to give it portability to any hardware, albeit with those challenging ATM cards ;)
Motherboards this old are also pretty bulletproof, most are if they haven't been built with any problematic Chipsets (some Nforce cough cough) At best they'd need a recap and they'd spring back to life.
@@lukedavis436 Thank you for sharing! Do you think I should recap these boards right away is it a problem for computers if one of these caps fail? I know for recording gear it normally isn‘t but people swap the caps preemptively still because the values are more in spec and stuff normally sounds better with fresh caps. All the best, Tobi
Never heard if that before but seems like you can do cool stuff with samba…all the best with that! I think in it‘s core these systems are not too far apart ;) All the best, Tobi
If you are scripting stuff based on host names then that truck might look very high tech but it's basically a house of cards just waiting to collapse :o This is like early 00's things where 'this one guy knows exactly how everything is linked together' and nobody else does lol Troubleshooting nightmare. I guess that also explains why it's running Windows NT 4, which is from 96. 'If it works don't touch it'. That truck shouldn't even be parked next to an internet connection that's how old it is lol As an IT techie, absolute cool piece of tech though. I do love these sorts of setups. Even though I have no idea about audio/broadcast hardware like this. If this truck really is from around 00 the price of this thing was .. high .. :)
Hi! Haha exactly how I feel when people suggest running doom on it - This is such an island ecosystem I don‘t feel well introducing it to any sort of software from the outside…Also yes these Systems were sold for seven figures back in 2000. All the best, Tobi
How did you recover the configuration of the board? Was it still stored on the broken board? - oh no line by line from non-consistent documentation what a nightmare 😀
@@mipmipmipmipmip-v5x Oh there was an instruction on how to dump the config in the description - they recommended to do it prior to a firmware update. The funny thing is there never was an instruction on how to load it! All the best, Tobi
Was looking for this comment! Yes I want to try that. When I save the .config via tftp I should be able to download that file back also via tftp and then just run it. I acquired the official user manual from IBM for that Switch, hoping I‘ll find answers there! All the best, Tobi
Yeah I think under IBM Mainframe you normally refer to a large computing system. I think somewhere in the documentation the engineers of Lawo call the ATM Switch a „Mainframe“ as all the Signal Processors are located in there on dedicated cards. All the best, Tobi
Hi! They had the lawo MC 80 before afaik that was very similar but with less programmable features. And you‘re right - lawo actually calls these „mc square“ so yeah I think they could have find a better name! Then again Lawo has always been all function minimal design so I think there is tons of features that could have been better on the aesthetic side maybe. All the best, Tobi
I think so, too! Interesting tho that the spares had a good battery but were also unconfigured. Either they were supplied like that or the battery in them is about to die, too? All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks Yes. Or they unconfigured because they saw new connections. But my guess is they all need new batteries. Anytime you will service a desk like that you should change out all batteries. And charge time for that. Allso advise a two year maintenance trip by you and then change the batteries again.
@@tobitweaks Clearly its kept in a closed network for security reasons But let's be honest, Nuclear subs still use Floppy Disks for certain things (Or Emulate it now) So thers something to be said for older things like that
@@LeonSteelpaw Just today had this talk with my assistant on how making these consoles remote controlled via network is not a good idea (although possible) 🤣
Hi! Interesting concept, there might be a certain capitalistic ideology behind this term ;) Repairing devices is bad for the economy haha…Well all I can say is this: Lawo themselves gave me all the documents to do these repair jobs. They want to see their products in good shape. The company that owns two of these trucks already replaced the Lawo in one of them with a new one. They are keeping this truck functional as they have one senior engineer who knows this console in and out and know that it works again did I help to keep business flowing? I think I did. Did I help Lawo to sell new consoles with my work (to other people) as I showcase their quality of products? I might have even ;) Hope that helps. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks ist doch egal, erstmal haben, der rest ist dann luxusproblem :D aber ich find den auch mega nice auch wenn er schon was "älter" ist, ich würd mir auch so viel zeug hinstellen das ich niemals brauche aber ich wills einfach haben (wenn ich den platz hätte)
Not a fan. Reason: You were hired to work not shoot b-roll for your TH-cam Channel. Leaves a very bad impression of your work ethic. -1 Don't recommend channel.
Hi! Don’t worry, I worked hard here! Also I got permission to shoot while working, the people that hired me were very much looking forward to this content as they could not all be on site. Lastly, they hired me because I always film what I do in the first place! All the best, Tobi
If it wasn't for the Channel we would not have found Tobi and have a non functional truck! The highest level on work ethic is called Passion and that is exactly what Tobi is made off. I hope this video helps others and documents this awesome (older) technology. 39k views make us happy.
I understood nothing, however I was fascinated by everything so I've subbed. I look forward to being entertained and confused in equal measure in the near future
Thank you! And welcome to the channel :) All the best, Tobi
same 🤣
me too. totally baffled but fascinated. subbed.
I love how these older desks are still being fixed and used. They are still absolutely fantastic.
I want this to be sounding good so bad! Specs and components are looking good, fingers crossed for the first tests! All the best, Tobi
Wow, NT4 and IBM 8265 was bleeding edge in 97-98, amazing to see it still functional. Even with perfect care, eventually the age of the ICs and passives will catch up. Great work!
Hi! Yes it will be interesting to watch these components age further…Let‘s find out how long we can use it still! All the best, Tobi
Awesome job Tobi!! many thanks for getting Mobile-7 back alive.
Welcome! Thank you so much for your trust :)
This is something I learned in the Military from an officer I worked for....Write everything down. Keep a journal. This was per-computer. Then when Phone systems (PBX) changed from Analog to Digital (Mid 80's) this note taking really kicked in. You could print your changes but the next tech may not understand how your made your changes. This system He's working on acts just like our Nortel / Octel systems.
I love that truck, worked in its sister once 😊
So cool! So you know how to operate a Lawo MC2 82 or did it already have the newer MC2 66 installed? I think this truck here is the only one left with the original desk. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks
But did you offer to take the old one if they upgrade that truck?
@@LeonSteelpaw I did get the spares of the console they took down - it is in parts and used to keep their functioning system (and now mine, too) alive! All the best, Tobi
Networking with ATM what a blast from the past!!
Haha yes! Sad tho that I con not get ATM cards that run on newer systems, would love to upgrade some of these computers…All the best, Tobi
Wow, I haven't seen an old IBM 8265 ATM Switch for a long time. That is a blast from the past. I am not on the audio production side, but the network side and lucky enough we have thrown out all of our ATM equipment many years ago. I am surprised they still use it in places, but then saw the Windows NT computers boot up, and then that was self explanatory of the ATM use... 🤣👍🤠 Gotta love the 1990's!
There's just nothing that's able to beat the flexibility and guarantees that ATM could deliver, even today. Nowadays, you just swamp everything with bandwidth to make sure you don't get into situations where you'd need ATM features.
I too think for multi channel audio routing in realtime this is great! Wonder why they went away from it to…All the best, Tobi
Wow, I work on modern LAWO consoles that use Ravenna, and geez they have come a long way in just over 20 years.
@@JD-lx2yf Ohh would love to try a modern lawo some time! What do you think have changed, despite the way these consoles are built (these old lawos are completely modular while the new ones seem more like a fixed solution) all the best, Tobi
Beautiful, This looks like a Truck from a german radio station. I'm still sitting on a pile of the same Lawo console and at some point I'll set it up again :D
Yes this is one of three trucks from Deutschlandfunk :) Ah you have one of these? I am still interested in DSP boards and other spares if you have anything left over let‘s chat :) Where are you located? All the best, Tobi
ATM, took me a few minutes to remember Asynchronous Transfer Mode. That was a rather complicated switching setup with wrong docs. Glad you could figure it out the setup error. I worked on TDM (Time Division Multiplexing) stuff before ATM and Frame Relay became popular. Looks like ATM survived. I like how they changed the prompt to make sure the scripts would work. They should doc that stuff in bold with a warning: "Nothing will work without this!" lol
Haha yeah most of my documentation acts like it is daily business but 25 years later it gets confusing sometimes :D Did you work with ATM in the past? All the best, Tobi
Hallo Tobias, ich folge dir schon eine Weile, aber das hier ist nun mein Favorit. Ich bin happy zu sehen was du dir drauf geschafft hast mit der Doku, die ich dir mal geschickt habe, und dass du in der Lage bist so eine Anlage wieder an den Start zu bringen. Besuch uns doch mal bei LAWO. Dieter😉
Hallo Dieter! Ich hab mich riesig über dein Kommentar gefreut! :) Schön zu lesen dass da seitens LAWO wohlwollend auf meine Arbeit geblickt wird. Ich möchte super gern nochmal Kontakt aufnehmen für 1-2 Fragen, wie erreiche ich dich am besten? Ich glaube meine Mail ist hier im Kanal vermerkt. Oh und ich bin hin und wieder in Stuttgart, da ists nach Rastatt nicht weit! Vielen lieben Dank für die Alles und beste Grüße, Tobias
Hallo Tobias, danke für die Antwort. Das klingt nach einem guten Plan, ich schreibe dich an.
Amazing video and a most fascinating truck and systems. The detail required to fix the configuration does not surprise me in that examples of this all hidden in systems all over the place. Even with the manuals, it takes a certain mindset to get your head around it to make things work because the manuals often only actually give around the minimum information to configure something correctly, rather than a detailed explanation of how each parts works.
When you are working with a terminal program or looking at manuals it is often best to use a 'programmer' font or typeface to make differentiation between similar characters as clear as possible. Sometimes a web browser can be configured to used such a font as default if you do a lot of this as it can make programming easier.
Thanks for all the time and effort putting this video together. I really enjoyed watching this. You have a new subscriber!
Ohh thank you so much!!! Also yes I work with an ancient version of codewright on NT4 rn and would love to have colour coding and also display what line I‘m working on as the system refers to certain lines sometimes haha. Indeed configuring this is not easy. Thanks for following along and all the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks There are some editors, such as Notepad++ on Windows (from what I remember) that can identify program code and will automatically colour-code it making it much easier top read and navigate.
Thank you so much! I found a win NT4 compatible version, will try that. All the best, Tobi
NT 4 Workstation! Yikes! Good to see that IE2 has been updated. 😅
I hadn't seen that splash screen in a few decades! Still in prod, wow, simply wow!
i had to look trice. at first glance at the cairo ui i thought “huh, w2k!”. but it’s worse! i bow to dave cutler.
Awesome, nice work man, enjoyable to watch
Thank you :) All the best, Tobi
This is very awesome! Thank you for sharing!
Very welcome! All the best, Tobi
Amazing Truck ...nice video ...thanks for sharing
That’s a very cool setup. Thanks. For sharing
Welcome! All the best, Tobi
Great ! Keep the good Work !
Thank you! All the best, Tobi
It's the second time I hear about ATM network in my life, and first time was during studying.
Hahaha yeah it seems to be a forgotten tech…All the best, Tobi
Sick video! Love to see lawo consoles in good shape like that! Btw i accually only post fire alarm stuff now since i didnt really have the equipment for and audio channel. I am still saving up for the new behringer win bk. I think it looks good, and will replace my digital daw in my home studio. But that is sick man! Keep it up :)
Sounds great, all the best with your channel!
And also! Thank you :) Happy that you like my content
@@tobitweaks No problem :) Love the content
There must be a show configuration command that you could use on the first working controller and then just dump that config to the new ones if everything is the same?
Haven't seen ATM stuff in many, many years, used to configure atm for a telco 20 years ago. Still remember VPC etc :)
Hi! Yes there should be. I knew I could configure it line by line in under an hour, so I did not take the risk to try a dump and load as I only had about two hours before I left the country. In my workshop I will try to do exactly that with my system! All the best, Tobi
First time viewer, I'm not sure how I got here, but I like it. Thanks
Welcome! Happy that you like it. All the best, Tobi
Man!!!.. .amazing video!!!... totally crazy truck!!.. is that for live audio recording or transmission? ... would like to know. ... Great Job Tobias.
Hi! Yes I think mostly for transmission, but they record stuff in there aswell. Sadly I had no opportunity to have a proper chat with the engineer that still routinely uses this desk. All the best, Tobi
I understood only a bit what he was doing. That's why we need the nerds to solve all that computer shit. Great job!
Stumbled across this video and safe yo say I'm very much intrigued,
Gonna leave a sub, you've earned it!
Thank you for following! All the best, Tobi
Great video, dint had a clue what all of yhis was, googled a bit and intresting to read about this ibm 8265 switch thing, intresting boards too, wish i could afford to have one at home 🤭😅
Thank you! Well I have yet to see just the 8265 for sale but you still get the whole Lawo system here in germany ;) All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks cant find a email adress to say this in private. At the 26:21 time, did you mean to blur the plate too? (Can still be done in ytstudio)
Saw a IBM A-MSS server module 82, or whatever that means for 666 dollars on the ebay. Thats alott more then free 😅 and no backplane or anything, just the board. Im wishing you alott more fun and experiences with the stuff you got 😊 seems pretty rare to have these working
This looks like every job I have had mixed into one, how do you get into repairing mixers? Between pc, copier, canbus, plc, aircraft, and programming repairs I think I can do this.
Amazing! I am a recording studio owner, started building analog audio equipment with DIY kits, went on to buy vintage broadcasting gear (you find a ton of it for super cheap, especially because you have two completely different typologies with east and west germany ;) Then I went on to buy my first large format console and when they offered me a digital console that runs on Win NT4 I only accepted the challenge because my father built computer systems in the 90s and helped me understand this kind of computing :) I documented all my restorations on youtube and people started to contact me as the original manufacturers discontinued support for these mixing boards. Thanks for the inspiration - I should film a channel introduction haha :) All the best, Tobi
Blast from the past, early 2000's datacenter on wheels.
Yes! And you can make music with it :) All the best, Tobi
This is like a Lamborghini compared to the Honda stuff I worked on, but reminds me of working on AudioVault and ScottStudios back in the day when I worked in radio. Miss audio in general or just any kind of hardware. All 1s and 0s these days. At least we were running windows 2000 back in 2010.
2 G5s so LAWO software is powerpc only?
@@georgwalt7978 Hi! No the Apple Cheesegraters are for multitrack recording. There is an actual power pc in the system that does the realtime calculations and controls the DSP. Everything else is managed by two computers that run windows NT4! All the best, Tobi
where can i get that clock
I want that too!
2:14 are that two Apple workstations in the rack? Probably also hard to fix/replace time bombs 😀
Did not use those but they were basically just a recording system and you could use any modern computer with a madi interface. Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
Did you just set the configuration on the switch for the interface and not modify the interface?
I don't deal in ATEM just regular networking. But it seems cool.
Hi! Yeah ATM seems to be a thing from the past…what do you mean by „not modify the interface“? I configured the control point of the switch, yes. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks That makes more sense thank you. Ehrenmann.
Didn't see it mentioned in the comments yet, but you can copy the commands from the documentation into a configure.bat file on the windows system. Then you can just run the bat file next time, or for modifications just edit the commands in the bat file.
@@WizardsAnonymous Thank you! Yes with time I definetly want to play a bit with doing my own commands for the system. When they flew me in for that job I was happy to do things line by line as that helped me understand the system and really learn to configure this. All the best, Tobi
Well done! Mad how it was config, nothing physical broken. How did the problem arise though? How did it become deconfiged?
Hi! It seems like a dead battery inside the control point module caused the original unit to fail, and the spares just seemed unconfigured from the start. Weird to maybe they just forgot their config aswell? All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks thanks, Ah the battery failed! Maybe the spares came unconfigured, but yeah if they have an under voltage on the ram it will lose the contents. Great investigation!
I had to laugh at the ATM addresses, comically long indeed, you'd think they'd put them in hex at least.
I wonder how difficult it would be to virtualise the separate pcs reducing the size of the rack i wouldn't love to take a cracking at it
Hi! Yes that is one of the biggest question. The problem so far: ATM Networking is not a thing anymore and I can not find any ATM network card that works in a modern OS! All the software itself is super basic and already confirmed working under win10. If anyone can chip in and supply an ATM network card that runs on at least win XP that would be great! All the best, Tobi
ATM, cool, you could almost have a dsl modem on that frame then :)
@@tobitweaks you might have some luck if you get a hypervisor (like proxmox) and pass through some physical cards to supported OSes. not ideal but at least gets you away from most of the aging PC hardware.
@@tobitweaks I'm assuming the goal is to try to get modern OSes running on the existing ATM network? Are all of the devices on the network actually communicating on the IP layer running on top of ATM? If so, could you just replace the entire ATM portion of the network with something more modern like Ethernet?
@@tobitweakswould an ATM transceiver in a SFP to PCIE card work?
They're still using this thing in production (and its such an important part of their business they flew you out) but they gave you all of those spares?
Hi! They have a ton of spares as they fusioned two consoles into one - so they still habe double the amount of spares that I am getting ;) All the best, Tobi
The material for bundling the cables is "spiroband"
Thank you!!! I need this in my life haha. All the best, Tobi
i have no idea what this. but that is awesome
I've NO background in this particular area of tech. ATM network... is this the same ATM that sounds familiar from ADSL? "Asynchronous Transfer Mode?"
Yes! You got it right. They used it to move audio in the system without delay. All the best, Tobi
What about making your main fader console as small as this one and having a extra fader wing decoupled next to it in 90degree? :) would be fancy and maybe easier to handle!
Nice idea! I can actually split my console and take a third off but It wouldn‘t work as I would have to build new legs for the console. I only have two. All the best, Tobi
The painting at the side of the truck was made by artist René Guillot.
So cool, I did not know that! Definitely liking the looks of this truck. Thanks and all the best, Tobi
its sad to hear this sort of hardware is dying out, it seems so darn interesting!
I really hope theres a place in the Netherlands where i could learn about this stuff
Yes, older ATM/TDM are indeed dying, but I'd argue that newer consoles are 10x more effienent and more powerful than the older systems. Look up the Audio Network in the Sphere in Las Vegas, this system is based on a protocol called Ravenna that uses an IP network that Lawo essentially created for their newer Audio over IP Console System.
Holy shit, it runs on Windows 98 (or NT)! That's quite old school. No doubt it's gonna run Doom... but will it run Half-Life?
I'm still wondering how many megabucks went into outfitting that van. That's some hefty and cool pro audio gear there.
Somewhat reminds me of the Aesthedes II computer in the Home Computer Museum. Definitely check it out if you haven't already - it's a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.
Hehe would be nice to have some games running on the console, tho I hope it does not affect the system :) Would love to know that aswell…the console that I have was part of a big installment that cost 1.1 million mark in 2000 (pre euro, course was 2:1 so half a million). Maybe I call the owner of the truck would also like to know how much he paid for it :) Thanks for the tip! All the best, Tobi
It was Windows NT4, pre Windows 2000/XP era. I used to look after a Network of workstations that ran NT 4.0. It was actually a pretty bulletproof system, I only once had problems with it when MS as usual borked an update, which caused Bluescreen crashes with the video driver.
Also I don't think it could run Doom. Doom was dos based, which worked fine in WIndows 95/98, but NT ran on it's own kernel, so I don't think it was compatible. Win 2000 was that first shot of compatiblity, but it wasn't until XP came out where games worked within an NT system properly. I could be wrong though, it was 20-odd years ago.
Some games could work on it, but if I remember right, it was missing Direct X stuff, so could only play simpler games. I think it came with solitaire, freecell and minesweeper.
@@LArmor6S hmm could be worth a try but as I said, hopefully I don‘t slow down the system with this :) All the best, Tobi
I love older computers, I collect them as a hobby and tbh having one of these vans is an autistic persons dream so many buttons to press!
@@lukedavis436 This is so wholesome! Next time I have one laying around I will give it to you :) All the best, Tobi
How much power does the truck need?
Hmm hard to say. I know it is connected with a 3-Phase Plug to power, and I know that my own system „only“ needs about 2000 watts in total but this has more processing power and a huge climate control to keep everything cool. All the best, Tobi
Looks like a labor of love ! I worked on a recent Lawo MC2 here in China last year (Opera House), nothing wrong with it for sure (except that nobody is really familiar with it). I didn't see anything that DANTE couldn't do for instance, sound wise for a live show application any other higher end console would have done the job just as well. What am I missing about these consoles and what justifies the price tag?
Hmm what Lawo was it? I know they have quite the reputation in sports broadcasting now. Back then Lawo came from high standard analog broadcasting equipment same league and format as Neumann (back when they did consoles and EQs and Compressors). The Preamps and Converters in this Lawo (MC2 82) are just outstanding. Also their ability to configure and route signals in big installments is unlike anything I have ever seen. How it sounds like and feels to the user? I still don‘t know ;) Will test mine soon. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks It was an MC2 56 or 64, I can't find the photo I took, so I'm not 100% sure. Zhuhai Opera was built in 2017 so from around that time. Old school design with a glass window control room and Genelec speakers. As often in China because of fire regulations, there's little to no damping so live rooms come with reflections galore. No matter what PA they put in these places, it always sounds so so at best🤣 Lawo seem to be good at politics because most installations are publicly funded, here in China too. But I'm sure they're nice consoles but totally overkill for live venues or Football Match broadcast 🤣
Thanks for responding, and enjoy your console, it's most certainly awesome !
@@StirfriedGerman oh no hahaha but there is a lot of fireproof damping materials 🫣 So interesting thanks for sharing :) Yes as Lawo worked with the german public broadcast it seems logical that they are mainly installed in public places. Super expensive stuff. Also their latest console introduces tiny video screens with every fader where you can see the video attached to the signal so overkill yes but they seem to be very innovative with it aswell. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks I'm just getting rockwool panels for my studio. They would not pass a fire department inspection. Get the inspection first, then hang the panels. Or have a baksheesh ready 🤣 Zhuhai Opera burned their budget with the Lawo, almost no backline, just a few wireless mics, not even mic stands ... Saw this again recently in a new culture and arts center. They have wireless mics and headset mics, all Audiotechnika, 8+8 ... BOTH Allen & Heath DLive and Avantis control surfaces for a single DM64 mixrack racked behind the mixer with 50m cable runs to either side of the stage. A7H sales guy muist be a genius. Zero backline, bought Radial isolation boxes (16) instead of DI and have 6 mic stands and maybe 10 XLR cables. JBL line array is too spaced out so they use the 6 floor monitors as center fills all connected to a single matrix, hardwired. About 250 light fixtures on the ceiling (no joke). I think my wife did the shopping for that place. I had to run a show there 😆
@@StirfriedGerman ehehhee sounds like fun 😂 All the best, Tobi
No idea what this thing does but I enjoyed the tour. That being said, you've got a new follow my friend. 😂
Welcome onboard! All the best, Tobi
A lovely console!
I like the two Mac Pro towers just strapped on the shelf with almost no space for cooling.
they have the cooling system built into the service cabinet, passive cooling is not possible in a small space. They had them like this, closely stacked against each other in the server room where I used to work in TV Broadcast. They ran the Protools systems from there. You needed ear protection in there after 5 minutes, fans so loud.
The ventilation in the older Mac pros is usually straight through there's no side vents and apple's smart fan system will increase the speed if it's too hot
How do you get the mixer into the truck?
Easy. First, you put the mixer, then build the truck around it.
Haha that is one way to do it 😂 I think in this case actually the mixer came first yes. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks I bet they left at least one sidewall open when building the Ü-Wagen, yes 😂 all the best to you too!
@@ropeburn6684 yes there is a removable hatch on the side, still you need a forklift...
Is this the alien mothership they all talk about?
If they take me from earth I‘d choose to have the spaceship with a mixing board inside yes 😂 All the best, Tobi
Wtf was an ATM core switch needed for in that van?
@@pinmast0r Hi! Excellent question :) They used it to host audio processor cards (DSP). The ATM switch architecture was perfect to route a ton of audio streams simultaneously!!! and losless!! from A to B :) Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
@tobitweaks that's insane, I used to work in telecoms and have seen the wrong side of plenty of these beasts. I'd never considered it but it's no different to carrying multiplexed telephone calls or data streams. Same thing. Just really didn't expect it 😂
Chassis switch based, and running Windows NT.... good old days!
Can you imagine trying to run something like this with Windoz 11?! Probably do an update in the middle of a recording session and break the system... 🤥
@@keithcress1335 No! But linux would work!
I'm still terrified about the servers that run that ancient NT, what happens when the motherboards die? Or the hard disks give up? I think someone needs to look at virtualizing the servers and finding a way to pass through ATM cards.
Could this truck be replaced with modern tech? Most would be digital I guess, could probably put it in a smaller van these days? What's the cost of keeping it running vs replacing?
Hi! I think these Trucks literally cost millions to build. Apart from that I think there are two reasons to keep this one working: a) It sounds great and b) there are people trained to work on this desk. So why build a new one? Also I already replaced a computer, so if you habe a motherboard that is able to run windows NT4 you can replace any of these servers at any time no problem. All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks Try and find identical motherboards to run this very specific hardware/software in say 10+ years, the joy of visualizing this stuff is to give it portability to any hardware, albeit with those challenging ATM cards ;)
Motherboards this old are also pretty bulletproof, most are if they haven't been built with any problematic Chipsets (some Nforce cough cough)
At best they'd need a recap and they'd spring back to life.
@@lukedavis436 Thank you for sharing! Do you think I should recap these boards right away is it a problem for computers if one of these caps fail? I know for recording gear it normally isn‘t but people swap the caps preemptively still because the values are more in spec and stuff normally sounds better with fresh caps. All the best, Tobi
There's me trying to set up a samba server and I think it's quite difficult, Ha! But no! Compared to this, it's child's play.
Never heard if that before but seems like you can do cool stuff with samba…all the best with that! I think in it‘s core these systems are not too far apart ;) All the best, Tobi
If you are scripting stuff based on host names then that truck might look very high tech but it's basically a house of cards just waiting to collapse :o
This is like early 00's things where 'this one guy knows exactly how everything is linked together' and nobody else does lol
Troubleshooting nightmare. I guess that also explains why it's running Windows NT 4, which is from 96. 'If it works don't touch it'.
That truck shouldn't even be parked next to an internet connection that's how old it is lol
As an IT techie, absolute cool piece of tech though. I do love these sorts of setups. Even though I have no idea about audio/broadcast hardware like this.
If this truck really is from around 00 the price of this thing was .. high .. :)
Hi! Haha exactly how I feel when people suggest running doom on it - This is such an island ecosystem I don‘t feel well introducing it to any sort of software from the outside…Also yes these Systems were sold for seven figures back in 2000. All the best, Tobi
nice, some older mac's in there
The cheesegraters! All the best, Tobi
Is it running on win 98?
@@AndrewAHayes It is Windows NT4 - the workstation system same era as Win 95. All the best, Tobi
11:33 2nd👍
its always the simpelest stuff that bites you in the rear
True! All the best, Tobi
Is that Windows 3.1???
No this is Windows NT4 :) All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks Good Lord, still really old though. But hey, if it works….
Zero clue what is going on here, still liked the video though, subbed
How did you recover the configuration of the board? Was it still stored on the broken board? - oh no line by line from non-consistent documentation what a nightmare 😀
well yeah…probably there is a way to save and load configs but do I know how? No 😂
@@tobitweaks considering the line by line configuration instructions there probably isn't a good way to transfer the configuration 😀
@@mipmipmipmipmip-v5x Oh there was an instruction on how to dump the config in the description - they recommended to do it prior to a firmware update. The funny thing is there never was an instruction on how to load it! All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaksI suspect the "load" process is to read the config and put it back in line by line
Was looking for this comment! Yes I want to try that. When I save the .config via tftp I should be able to download that file back also via tftp and then just run it. I acquired the official user manual from IBM for that Switch, hoping I‘ll find answers there! All the best, Tobi
“The Mainframe”
Yeah I think under IBM Mainframe you normally refer to a large computing system. I think somewhere in the documentation the engineers of Lawo call the ATM Switch a „Mainframe“ as all the Signal Processors are located in there on dedicated cards. All the best, Tobi
Cool but i dislike trade marking the term "mc2"
Hi! They had the lawo MC 80 before afaik that was very similar but with less programmable features. And you‘re right - lawo actually calls these „mc square“ so yeah I think they could have find a better name! Then again Lawo has always been all function minimal design so I think there is tons of features that could have been better on the aesthetic side maybe. All the best, Tobi
Change motherboard battery. That's why it got unconfigured.
I think so, too! Interesting tho that the spares had a good battery but were also unconfigured. Either they were supplied like that or the battery in them is about to die, too? All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks Yes. Or they unconfigured because they saw new connections. But my guess is they all need new batteries. Anytime you will service a desk like that you should change out all batteries. And charge time for that. Allso advise a two year maintenance trip by you and then change the batteries again.
@@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur nice business plan! I like your thinking. Thanks and all the best, Tobi
My god that system looks complicated 😮
Windows nt… wow. That’ll take you back
20:40 3👍
Why am I thinking Windows 98 or something?
Win NT4 it is ;) That is similar to Win 95 - they share the same green / turquoise color! All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks
Clearly its kept in a closed network for security reasons
But let's be honest, Nuclear subs still use Floppy Disks for certain things (Or Emulate it now) So thers something to be said for older things like that
@@LeonSteelpaw Just today had this talk with my assistant on how making these consoles remote controlled via network is not a good idea (although possible) 🤣
In Germany we call u „Wirtschaftsschädling“ Lawo or someone else would not sell a new console now…
Hi! Interesting concept, there might be a certain capitalistic ideology behind this term ;) Repairing devices is bad for the economy haha…Well all I can say is this: Lawo themselves gave me all the documents to do these repair jobs. They want to see their products in good shape. The company that owns two of these trucks already replaced the Lawo in one of them with a new one. They are keeping this truck functional as they have one senior engineer who knows this console in and out and know that it works again did I help to keep business flowing? I think I did. Did I help Lawo to sell new consoles with my work (to other people) as I showcase their quality of products? I might have even ;) Hope that helps. All the best, Tobi
@ alles gut…. Auch so vong Nachhaltigkeit und so….;o) Ich schmeiß ja meine 40 Jahre alten Mikros auch nich weg…
Still using windows NT😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yep the original! All the best, Tobi
Haven't seen Windows 95/98 in a while.
It's Windows NT 4.0.
yes windows NT4 - back in the day they had a different OS for workstations and home computing. But yes same era as Win 95! All the best, Tobi
MacPro
yes the original cheese graters! All the best, Tobi
Windows 98?🤣
Even older - Windows NT4! That is Win 95 era ;) All the best, Tobi
Was für ein LKW, wäre schon nett sowas zu haben...
Hahaha ja irgendwie schon cool, aber wo stellt man den hin? :)
@@tobitweaks ist doch egal, erstmal haben, der rest ist dann luxusproblem :D aber ich find den auch mega nice auch wenn er schon was "älter" ist, ich würd mir auch so viel zeug hinstellen das ich niemals brauche aber ich wills einfach haben (wenn ich den platz hätte)
Not a fan.
Reason: You were hired to work not shoot b-roll for your TH-cam Channel.
Leaves a very bad impression of your work ethic.
-1
Don't recommend channel.
Hi! Don’t worry, I worked hard here! Also I got permission to shoot while working, the people that hired me were very much looking forward to this content as they could not all be on site. Lastly, they hired me because I always film what I do in the first place! All the best, Tobi
If it wasn't for the Channel we would not have found Tobi and have a non functional truck! The highest level on work ethic is called Passion and that is exactly what Tobi is made off. I hope this video helps others and documents this awesome (older) technology. 39k views make us happy.
@ best comment ever! Thank you so much for your trust. All the best, Tobi