Maitlis obsessing about Corbyn and misrepresenting him at every turn. Rather than talking to Abbott about what she has actually done and what she wants to do over the next four years
The elephant in the room is that the dates of Starmer's son exams don't match the dates of penthouse residence! The political broadcast (working from home) during covid, broke the rules.
It's a manufactured bit of nonsense created by false equivalence and lying by omission. It's what UK media does. What should be questioned is who owns our media and are they fit and proper persons to hold such an important positions in the life of the nation.
@@PortilloMoment The BBC and the Guardian don't have owners as such and both have been leading critics of the gifts to Labour because of the hypocrisy.
This podcast is a(n unintended) masterclass in understanding how the media is completely unable to grapple with the problem of influence and access, why it's completely unethical, and why the general public are so furious.
Dianne thankyou for a very interesting account of a very difficult situation for you. Feel privileged to have viewed it what a wonderful viewpoint you have great strength Beth TOMLINSON.
I'm surprised none of them see the obvious conflict between somebody withdrawing winter fuel allowance, keeping the child benefits cap, and telling us all "it's tough times ahead, everyone!" ...whilst that same person appears to be accepting freebies left right and centre, especially for things we all suspect he's perfectly capable of paying for himself. Is it really some big mystery as to how this an appalling look? Their coverage of this topic is as tone-deaf as Starmer's behaviour.
@@ZeroFilmClips he’s never said that you shouldn’t accept freebies… or anyone else.. not excessive ones.. Why are you demanding outside of the rules for him. Did you bleat so loudly about the tories accepting gifts, or Farage? Do you have ALL the information just from the news? Really? Really, really?? Strong opinion though, eh?
@@ascgazzpeople are angrier at Starmer than they would be at Farage and the Tories because Starmer’s entire approach has been that this is “new politics”, that he is “country first”, so of course expectations of him will be higher. he then fails to see how him and his government accepting these freebies is going to make people furious. They made a rod for their own back - and such an easily avoidable problem, but the fact is that it never even occurred to them that they should just draw a line in the sand and not accept free stuff while telling the country to tighten their belts. It makes them seem hypocritical and entitled precisely because of how they chose to present themselves from day 1 in government.
@@ascgazz How strange that you should phrase your ridiculous reply in the way you have, and then accuse someone else of "Bleating loudly". What's my opinion on the Tories or Farage got to do with anything?
@@hithere981 I'm sure we've all put ourselves into the role of Prime Minister to imagine what it was like, and I never imaged I would be unable to purchase my own clothes and glasses.
@@knowitnone but Starmer did “fail to see” anything, he operated within the rules… The weird thing is that you’re so focused on this stuff, when it amounts to less than the price of the wallpaper that Boris had gifted… less than a tenth of the whole flat… and ONLY the flat… I think you struggle with proportion, OR, you have an agenda here. Either way you’re omitting many of the facts of the situation. Just look at the numbers mate. Maths doesn’t lie. Then remember that he *declared absolutely everything* voluntarily in timely fashion… We still don’t know how Sunak wrote off tens of billions of his own debt… but here’s you getting pissy about some glasses and a suit? Balance, mate. Have you heard of it?
9:00 we expect purity because that's what we were promised by Starmer in the election. The two things. 1. The hypocrisy of it all when Starmer was the one who was being so morally higher over the last government. 2. It just doesn't look right, mainly because of the centralised donations from Lord Ali. They aren't spread out among loads of people.
when a donor is giving 'freebies' to the PM, it's not a freebie. They're expecting something in return. It's an exchange and a demand for Starmer to pick up the phone whenever they call.
@@josephobi.837 and now you’re resorting to pictures.. Do you have an English education, or have you been working hard to delete it from your brain? Seems like you may’ve been successful… 🤡
When you put yourself in a position of power and privilege, you give up the right to receive gifts from donors. Police aren't allowed to. Judges aren't allowed to. Civil servants aren't allowed to. Teachers aren't allowed to. Doctors and nurses aren't allowed to. Why do politicians think they are uniquely permitted to receive as many gifts as they want, 'within the rules'. Why do they think they are uniquely insusceptible to even the subconscious effect of receiving a bribe, when ALL EVIDENCE proves that to the contrary they are MORE likely to grift if they can get away with it. Duck houses anyone?
Yes, police sponsored by Mac Donald’s, judges by Disney, doctors sponsored by Google. What a world. Why should politicians have their snouts in the trough.
Lord Alli is a Labour Lord. Are doctors allowed to be taken out to lunch by senior colleagues? What do duck houses have to do with anything? That was the expenses scandal - the diametric opposite of a donations scandal.
You must be joking! The Tories were never held under scrutiny? You would have had to be living on Mars if you hadn’t heard of Partygate during Covid! 😂 And it was just soooooo boring 🥱😴
Very very little in life, especially for those in positions of power and influence, comes free. The return favour may not direct or financial, but it will be expected
Do you give people gifts, always expecting something in return? Would you save a life and expect a debt of gratitude? Maybe you’re speaking for yourself..?
@@ascgazz from friends no, but in a work context definitely that’s the difference, if I gift a friend I expect nothing but if it’s a gift in a professional career setting then it’s obviously transactional and compromising.
@@celondelon351 it’s not “obviously transactional”, only to you. You’re assuming that the recipient isn’t politely agreeing, and moving on. I’ve been given gifts professionally many times, it’s entirely down to the individuals concerned and their own moral limits. Don’t assume that everyone has the same responses as you do. You seem pretty entrenched in this belief.
Why aren't millionaires giving you gifts then? Or any other person in this comment section? Wild how this incredible generosity only ever manifests towards people who run the country...
So ms. Maitlis is happy to promote the weaponisation of anti-semitism whilst at the same time referring to the Forde report. Has she actually read the report?? It would appear it is at odds with the allegations of the Israel lobby and perhaps maitlis should check the report before promoting the lobby's talking points..
Glasses dresses and the use of a flat. Wow! As oppossed to dodgy contracts for PPE for mates. Donations from the wife of Putins ex finance minster and access to meetings in the Treasury, a Knighthood for the son of a KGB operative...gold wallpaper, parties paid for by 'mates' Now that is worrying!!!!
Johnson ultimately lost his job for that and the media and Labour were all over it!!! So now it’s the Stalinist socialist Labrador party, it’s OK?!?! 🤷♂️
The problem with this kind of thing is we'll never know if it's above board - not too mention the fact that there's also an intrusive understanding by everyone that once someone has given you a gift, you feel obliged to entertain them, pick up their calls, answer your messages, and unless you've got a heart of stone - you'll probably not want to upset them In terms of journalists accepting invites, had it never occurred to these people that you may have been invited and vetted before the invite, and the 'wrong kind of journalist' had been excluded? The jack of self awareness is quite shocking
Hilariously deluded discourse… media is media (private and broadly biased), mps are democratically elected. I enjoy this podcast, but the debate here almost knocked me off my bike in terms of how ludicrous it was. Get some cold showers guys!
What? When they get elected, they don't have to give up getting presents, do they? They also don't have to dump all their rich friends. I'm struggling to make out what you're so upset about.
I was actually referring the attribution of self-importance by the journalists. They’re wholly separate to politicians in importance and accountability. Both important, but can’t be compared. As for the expenses, I’m afraid once Starmer created a holier than thou narrative, he needs to be above the rules and even spirit of them. He’s developing a great track-record of poor political foresight. Not too dissimilar to young Rishi!
I think it highlights a real concern about our political system and decision makers. No MP should be accepting payment from any source other than as an MP. Local government, civil servants and most of the workers in the uk receive nothing except their salaries!
I'm actually surprised that you don't see the potential conflict of interest when a politician accepts gifts from private companies. It could be lobbying under another name. Also, journalists are not politicians who are paid from the public purse and who also decide the laws that we have to follow. As a result, they should be held to a higher standard.
Abbot is right, i voted for starmer to be labour leader as he presented him self as an electable, left wing leader, which was ultimately just a facade. The way he treated Abbott was the final straw for me. Since then i see him as quite a vile person. I cancelled my labour membership and voted for lib dems in the GE. I will never vote for labour whilst hes there.
@@worship568 why do you think Corbyn lost to Theresa May (a terrible candidate) and then led the party to its worst defeat since 1935? He's an incompetent narcissist
@@markrichley4075 study opinion polls and the results of two General Elections, and you'll see that Corbyn was deeply unpopular outsode of his own cult
Of course, it says a lot about me -it’s my comment! But since I guess I am meant to interpret that as criticism …… I accept it shows that I wish that adults, especially intelligent ones, would seek to engage with things that are intellectually challenging and of permanent merit rather than facile and “flavour-of-the-month”. Just as I’d expect they would opt for Jane Austen over Enid Blyton….. or JK Rowling, for that matter.
This trio of journalists has butter on their heads. They jumped on the same bandwagon of the freebies non story. Now they want to row back on it....? They could have explained the issue in the beginning so much better.
looking forward to John informing everyone how much he provided in gifts and hospitality to all the politicians who attend his book launch, no doubt his favourite sources will be enjoying many a free drink and sharing inside information for the podcast to report on in future episodes.
DA's references to "communist Russia" and "Soviet Russia" when talking about Corbyn's attitude to Putin show the extent to which she is abreast of world affairs. Utterly clueless.
The term "communist Russia" was used by Diane to counter the insinuation that Corbyn's cautious approach to Putin may stem from a nostalgic desire for the return of the Former Soviet Union (FSU) among the left. This viewpoint was notably articulated by Ken Clarke on BBC Question Time at the time of the Skripal poisoning. Diane is a highly intelligent woman
Diane knows more about world affairs than you could ever know. That's why she has achieved more than you in life. Dianne addressed directly the vile tactics by the press to portray Corbyn as a communist. Emily Mailtis herself went as far as putting up a picture of Corbyn dressed as a Communist in one of her Newsnight episodes. Diane knows what she is talking about. You are the ignorant one.
You guys are so missing the point. He shouldn’t have accepted the flat. Hes wealthy enough if it was needed to pay for a hotel like the rest of us would do.
There were 30 paid Russian agents in the house of commons under Bojo. Brandon Lewis etc. It's disingenuous at best for Lewis to jabber about counterfactuals when the actual PM was very sanguine about Russians to the point of appointing them to the house of Lords.
I used to work in a video shop (remember them) in the 80s . A bloke came in asking for a copy of Leg End. It took a while to find out he wanted Legend - the Tim Curry movie from 85 😊
He didn’t pay £20,000 for the apartment, but it saved him more than £300 (oh, winter allowance) from his own pocket 🤷♂️ And if the journalists were outside his house, surely the main stream media would have been savvy enough to find out he was hiding in Ali’s penthouse……or was he 🤔
Sorry but having thousands of pounds worth of clothes for yourself paid for by a donor is in a totally different category to getting invited to the odd drinks, dinner or event. The former is an ongoing benefit, the latter is a one off event. The rules around what politicians are allowed to accept needs to be brought in line with the private sector (very few personal gifts are allowed in private sector post Bribery Act).
I get the thing about the flat and no hands changed hands but this is occurring while people are homeless; older people are worried about warming their homes etc. Additionally most of the UK public can't afford to go to a cup final or Taylor Swift concert. IMO it's just tone deaf.
After his son finished with it, maybe keir could ask his mate if he could let one or two of the pensioners who cant afford to hear their homes use it just for a bit. I get they arnt having to do their gcses, but Ive heard freezing to death can also be stressful
I want to complain then that I could not get tickets to your Royal Albert Hall show - News Agents. I think its only people with connections and free flowing money who got tickets. What about those with no such agency who also lòve your podcast!? Could be just sour grapes on my part...please can I get tickets 😢. I dont want them for free but there is none left
Gotta wonder how badly Starmers gotta be caught red handed before you and the rest of the formerly reliable press stop running defense for him. Reminds of the week's James O'Brien spent defending Matt Hancock before the photos came out.
“We might go this hospitality, we might meet interesting people, who might come on our podcast” - literal example of gain obtained via gifted hospitality etc. Unless you don’t make money from this podcast? 🤔
Journalism is a business just like Harrods. Politics is supposed to above that and paid for from the public purse, directly accountable to the electorate.
Why did Starmer call Israel She?? Is he saying Israel is a Damsel in distress??! Sickening that Starmer stands up, supports Israel a Genocidal Murderous Regime!!
It’s the hypocrisy, particularly when his first action is to deprive a million pensioners of vital funds and he does nothing to lift thousands of kids out of poverty.
My generation (pensioners) are the richest demographic in the UK by a huge margin ! We benefited from cheap housing, final salary pensions, early retirement on full pension from public sector jobs, massive profits from house values, and a triple lock scheme which guaranteed bigger pension rises than workers pay rises. And yet my contemporaries are whinging about losing a £200 energy payment when young parents can't feed or clothe their children.
those funds are not vital for all pensioners, many pensioners are wealthier and have bigger disposable incomes than most of the working population. The idea that pensioners on £2k a month and no mortgage need that money is just wrong... plenty of families on minimum wage who need that money more.
@ZeroFilmClips Maybe labour should refuse to accept any Christmas presents from their family and freinds this year. It can't be right that Keir Starmer gets some free socks and a selection box while telling everyone else that there are tough times ahead. Maybe he should wear a horse hair shirt and sleep on a bed of nails. an
PM fails to understand the difference between free tickets that cost nothing (a sky party) and free tickets with a face value (Taylor Swift tickets). By all means get a jump to the front of the queue, but at least make them pay for the tickets.
What the public mind is the hypocrisy of Starmer. With great hand wringing he has told the country that there are tough choices to be made. But clearly these choices do not impact him or his family. A man in the street accepting a freebie does not have the same potential ramifications for the country as it does for the PM. The fact that Starmer refuses to apologise in the face of clear public disapproval demonstrates an arrogance begat of Johnson and the Conservative Party- well done. To say no rules were broken is to ignore that it’s those that benefit that make the “rules” it’s also to ignore something called ethics. Mind you Starmer had his snot in the gravy bowl when he was head of CPS
It is 100% because Starmer is moralising, holier than thou, and ran on an anti Tory anti cronyism ticket. While him and his senior cabinet were doing the same thing. British ppl can forgive many things, but we hate hypocrisy combined with arrogance
He's not a charity case. He doesn't *need* someone to get his glasses for him. His wife doesn't *need* her clothes bought for him. He can afford to get his own Arsenal tickets and to rent auxiliary flats. It looks pathetic, if nothing else.
He DOES BUY HIS OWN ARSENAL SEASON TICKETS. And the fact that you appear not to be able to understand this fact is a perfect illustration of the problem of media misrepresentation.
If it was just Starmer "having his kid in some flat" you'd struggle to find anyone to care, but £20k is £20k however you paint it. It'd be cheaper to book a king room with a balcony at the Hilton for a couple of months but maybe that's not upmarket enough? I mean can you imagine the uproar if Sunak personally took donations like this? The Frank Hester situation was unacceptable, but at least it was a party donation instead of him further lining his own pockets while simultaneously attacking Labour for being a party for the rich. I'm not even that bothered by this but watching the defense of such blatant hypocrisy is unbearable.
Sunak was busy enough robbing the public purse, £10 million for his helicopter? And we haven't heard anything about the donations and gifts he got but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Jenrick has accepted more in donations and gifts in a few months than Starmer has in 5 years.
A pm is not comparable to the monarch. Most people understand and are OK with funding the royals. I would prefer political parties are funded from public funds, at a low level. It shouldn't cost a fortune.... but mps would no doubt make the rules so it would
@@EdwardLindon In this case Canadian. You’ll find it’s a country that absorbs cultural overlap from its southern border and its rotting WASP British commonwealth origins. A Canadian with more than enough ‘familiarity’ to speak on the subject of politics, media & language - both from prior lived experience in the UK, much to my chagrin, as well as current family ties to the soggy little island it is presumed from your haughty attitude and passive-aggressive snark… you call home. The deep irony of chiming in with ‘what do you know about the British media you’re American’ - while the very hosts of *this program* present a US politics spinoff podcast. Read the room my guy But then what does one expect from a citizen of a nation that dips its jafa cakes in unwarranted arrogance every day at tea time?
The question is a bit obtuse.Ali Waheed has alwys backed Labour and has always wanted a Labour governmnet so of course he helped him with his image and that of his wife
That's a remarkably silly question. As a leading labour politician he was supporting the person he wanted to become the leader of the country, and doing anything he was able to do to facilitate that process.
Yes. Some people are middle class. How terrible. What would you prefer? One working class journalist, one middle class one and an upper class journalist? What would that even mean? And if non-middle class viewers want to see this, nothing is stopping them.
As to the Downing Street pass, could it have been to get “Lord” Ali on the same political page and t speak for the government’s direction in the House of Lords? The reverse of the perceived interaction?
Sorry, Lewis, but just because Starmer was not handed £20,000 in cash does not mean he did not benefit to the tune of £20,000. In fact, I think he benefitted greatly more than that because there is a natural tendency to underestimate the equivalent financial value of a gift. You're splitting hairs when you show concern that people incorrectly think Starmer was handed £20k in cash: what is the difference when he was in fact handed a gift of that value? I think you've got a kind of Westminster village Stockholm syndrome. As to the difference between Starmer being offered access to a cheap flat in Halifax or £18m flat in London, of course there is a material difference not a moral one: both ought to be reported in the members' interests, but there is an obvious allure to luxury that would be potentially more corrupting. Besides, this isn't strictly about Starmer's access to luxury: it is about hypocrisy. The public has listened for months to a Labour Party that has called out the vanity and millionaire lifestyle of Tories, especially the millionaire Sunak, and yet Starmer was broadcasting from someone else's luxury flat whilst lecturing us on the need to stay at home.
If he wouldn't have spent £20,000 on it himself, then that doesn't make any sense. Also, the bloke who leant him the use of his apartment is a friend, colleague and fellow Labour Party member.
@@brianferguson7840 always, wow. You do remember the previous labour government, lying to get us involved in a war? Im not saying the tories are squeaky clean btw
Couldn’t agree more.Who else stays at this apartment for free?Disgusting to imply money changed hands.Double standard clowns who epitomise todays news.Calling themselves journalists is like calling James O’Brien balanced.
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Maitlis obsessing about Corbyn and misrepresenting him at every turn. Rather than talking to Abbott about what she has actually done and what she wants to do over the next four years
The elephant in the room is that the dates of Starmer's son exams don't match the dates of penthouse residence! The political broadcast (working from home) during covid, broke the rules.
It's a manufactured bit of nonsense created by false equivalence and lying by omission. It's what UK media does. What should be questioned is who owns our media and are they fit and proper persons to hold such an important positions in the life of the nation.
yeah, even inviting someone to speak on the podcast is a gift in most cases, as it creates opportunities to further agenda and enhances profile.
@@PortilloMoment The BBC and the Guardian don't have owners as such and both have been leading critics of the gifts to Labour because of the hypocrisy.
Just look at the opinion polls. People see through Starmer's hypocrisy.
This podcast is a(n unintended) masterclass in understanding how the media is completely unable to grapple with the problem of influence and access, why it's completely unethical, and why the general public are so furious.
It might be insensitive but how is it unethical? If the system allows this then it's the system that should be changed.
The man who gave the gifts is Starmer's friend and colleague. How is this about "access"?
@@EdwardLindon and how did he become 'friend' to PM? There is a history there.
This podcast is just a Starmer fan club.
That was discussed in a previous episode; it was interesting to hear the other side of the argument (even if I didn't agree with it).
There are four great characters in this show.
Sopel, Maitlis, Goodhall, and Lewis's "Barnett"
Dianne thankyou for a very interesting account of a very difficult situation for you. Feel privileged to have viewed it what a wonderful viewpoint you have great strength Beth TOMLINSON.
Wildly out of touch how can you not see how to the public who get nothing for free (unlike jurnos) find this appalling and morally repugnant.
The public never get presents?
Any presents you receive over £10,000 not from a family is suss....... wipipo are the most you could meet. You are naive.....!!
I'm surprised none of them see the obvious conflict between somebody withdrawing winter fuel allowance, keeping the child benefits cap, and telling us all "it's tough times ahead, everyone!" ...whilst that same person appears to be accepting freebies left right and centre, especially for things we all suspect he's perfectly capable of paying for himself. Is it really some big mystery as to how this an appalling look? Their coverage of this topic is as tone-deaf as Starmer's behaviour.
@@ZeroFilmClips he’s never said that you shouldn’t accept freebies… or anyone else.. not excessive ones..
Why are you demanding outside of the rules for him.
Did you bleat so loudly about the tories accepting gifts, or Farage?
Do you have ALL the information just from the news?
Really?
Really, really??
Strong opinion though, eh?
@@ascgazzpeople are angrier at Starmer than they would be at Farage and the Tories because Starmer’s entire approach has been that this is “new politics”, that he is “country first”, so of course expectations of him will be higher. he then fails to see how him and his government accepting these freebies is going to make people furious. They made a rod for their own back - and such an easily avoidable problem, but the fact is that it never even occurred to them that they should just draw a line in the sand and not accept free stuff while telling the country to tighten their belts. It makes them seem hypocritical and entitled precisely because of how they chose to present themselves from day 1 in government.
@@ascgazz How strange that you should phrase your ridiculous reply in the way you have, and then accuse someone else of "Bleating loudly".
What's my opinion on the Tories or Farage got to do with anything?
@@hithere981 I'm sure we've all put ourselves into the role of Prime Minister to imagine what it was like, and I never imaged I would be unable to purchase my own clothes and glasses.
@@knowitnone but Starmer did “fail to see” anything, he operated within the rules…
The weird thing is that you’re so focused on this stuff, when it amounts to less than the price of the wallpaper that Boris had gifted… less than a tenth of the whole flat… and ONLY the flat…
I think you struggle with proportion, OR, you have an agenda here. Either way you’re omitting many of the facts of the situation.
Just look at the numbers mate. Maths doesn’t lie.
Then remember that he *declared absolutely everything* voluntarily in timely fashion…
We still don’t know how Sunak wrote off tens of billions of his own debt… but here’s you getting pissy about some glasses and a suit?
Balance, mate.
Have you heard of it?
9:00 we expect purity because that's what we were promised by Starmer in the election. The two things. 1. The hypocrisy of it all when Starmer was the one who was being so morally higher over the last government. 2. It just doesn't look right, mainly because of the centralised donations from Lord Ali. They aren't spread out among loads of people.
Journalists are obviously accepting too many gifts, too. Of course, it has some level of influence
I love Diane Abbott for her Pure Honesty!!
I love they're all in agreement 😂 we all get freebies none of us are bought off 👀
when a donor is giving 'freebies' to the PM, it's not a freebie. They're expecting something in return. It's an exchange and a demand for Starmer to pick up the phone whenever they call.
I can’t believe we’re still talking about this
You're the one commenting.
Because the media wants to milk the story.
😂👍
I'm sorry if it's inconvenient for you.
@@josephobi.837 and now you’re resorting to pictures..
Do you have an English education, or have you been working hard to delete it from your brain?
Seems like you may’ve been successful… 🤡
When you put yourself in a position of power and privilege, you give up the right to receive gifts from donors. Police aren't allowed to. Judges aren't allowed to. Civil servants aren't allowed to. Teachers aren't allowed to. Doctors and nurses aren't allowed to. Why do politicians think they are uniquely permitted to receive as many gifts as they want, 'within the rules'. Why do they think they are uniquely insusceptible to even the subconscious effect of receiving a bribe, when ALL EVIDENCE proves that to the contrary they are MORE likely to grift if they can get away with it. Duck houses anyone?
Yes, police sponsored by Mac Donald’s, judges by Disney, doctors sponsored by Google. What a world. Why should politicians have their snouts in the trough.
Lord Alli is a Labour Lord. Are doctors allowed to be taken out to lunch by senior colleagues?
What do duck houses have to do with anything? That was the expenses scandal - the diametric opposite of a donations scandal.
Great interview Diane Abbott👏👏👏
The amount of stuff that Tories did over 14 years and were never held to this kind of scrutiny
You must be joking! The Tories were never held under scrutiny? You would have had to be living on Mars if you hadn’t heard of Partygate during Covid! 😂
And it was just soooooo boring 🥱😴
Why so many questions about JC? Invite him on if you want to discuss him.
Emily is so married to her own narrative its actually embarrassing.
Very very little in life, especially for those in positions of power and influence, comes free. The return favour may not direct or financial, but it will be expected
Every situation, and every person is different.
Do you give people gifts, always expecting something in return?
Would you save a life and expect a debt of gratitude?
Maybe you’re speaking for yourself..?
@@ascgazz from friends no, but in a work context definitely that’s the difference, if I gift a friend I expect nothing but if it’s a gift in a professional career setting then it’s obviously transactional and compromising.
@@celondelon351 it’s not “obviously transactional”, only to you.
You’re assuming that the recipient isn’t politely agreeing, and moving on.
I’ve been given gifts professionally many times, it’s entirely down to the individuals concerned and their own moral limits.
Don’t assume that everyone has the same responses as you do.
You seem pretty entrenched in this belief.
Why aren't millionaires giving you gifts then? Or any other person in this comment section? Wild how this incredible generosity only ever manifests towards people who run the country...
"Dingy Shostakovich"? Yes please! 😆
Sounds great to me, and immeasurably better than Taylor Swift.
They were spitting feathers about Boris having a birthday cake. It’s 2 tier journalism
No. The spitting of feathers was regarding him LYING about it - repeatedly.
So ms. Maitlis is happy to promote the weaponisation of anti-semitism whilst at the same time referring to the Forde report. Has she actually read the report?? It would appear it is at odds with the allegations of the Israel lobby and perhaps maitlis should check the report before promoting the lobby's talking points..
Now I know that John Sopel would accept a Taylor Swift ticket but turn down Shostakovich. Oh dear. 😀
Politicians have to protect their families because of social media hatred … they have to be able to do that
with 18k worth of clothes? were they bullet proof vests?
Glasses dresses and the use of a flat. Wow! As oppossed to dodgy contracts for PPE for mates. Donations from the wife of Putins ex finance minster and access to meetings in the Treasury, a Knighthood for the son of a KGB operative...gold wallpaper, parties paid for by 'mates' Now that is worrying!!!!
£900,000 pounds of gifts to Johnson and not a single penny declared.
Yet you are ok with the ALLI/ASSAD friendship?
@@fin1131when comrade starlin-amer said ‘a party of service’ he should have added ‘and kickbacks’ 🤣🤣🤣
@@brianferguson7840that makes it all ok then 🤷♂️
Johnson ultimately lost his job for that and the media and Labour were all over it!!! So now it’s the Stalinist socialist Labrador party, it’s OK?!?! 🤷♂️
The problem with this kind of thing is we'll never know if it's above board - not too mention the fact that there's also an intrusive understanding by everyone that once someone has given you a gift, you feel obliged to entertain them, pick up their calls, answer your messages, and unless you've got a heart of stone - you'll probably not want to upset them
In terms of journalists accepting invites, had it never occurred to these people that you may have been invited and vetted before the invite, and the 'wrong kind of journalist' had been excluded? The jack of self awareness is quite shocking
John, my book was delivered yesterday, will get stuck in tonight. Congratulations 🥳 absolutely love you trio! Always great analysis and fun.
Stephen Flynn, SNP, I don't really know??? I think that shows how important Scottish leaders are in Westminster 😒
Why was Lord Ali given a Number 10 pass!
Starmer at the time was pretending that that decision was not his to make, so why would she talk to him about it?
Hilariously deluded discourse… media is media (private and broadly biased), mps are democratically elected. I enjoy this podcast, but the debate here almost knocked me off my bike in terms of how ludicrous it was. Get some cold showers guys!
What? When they get elected, they don't have to give up getting presents, do they? They also don't have to dump all their rich friends. I'm struggling to make out what you're so upset about.
I was actually referring the attribution of self-importance by the journalists. They’re wholly separate to politicians in importance and accountability. Both important, but can’t be compared. As for the expenses, I’m afraid once Starmer created a holier than thou narrative, he needs to be above the rules and even spirit of them. He’s developing a great track-record of poor political foresight. Not too dissimilar to young Rishi!
I think it highlights a real concern about our political system and decision makers. No MP should be accepting payment from any source other than as an MP. Local government, civil servants and most of the workers in the uk receive nothing except their salaries!
I'm actually surprised that you don't see the potential conflict of interest when a politician accepts gifts from private companies. It could be lobbying under another name. Also, journalists are not politicians who are paid from the public purse and who also decide the laws that we have to follow. As a result, they should be held to a higher standard.
How is Lord Alli a "private company"?
Abbot is right, i voted for starmer to be labour leader as he presented him self as an electable, left wing leader, which was ultimately just a facade. The way he treated Abbott was the final straw for me. Since then i see him as quite a vile person. I cancelled my labour membership and voted for lib dems in the GE. I will never vote for labour whilst hes there.
It was hyper hypocritical from the moment it appeared.
What was ????
By my Hellenic calculations, "hyper hypocritical" comes out as "critical".
Maitlis really does believe everyone sees Corbyn like she does...
Why does she think Corbyn won his seat as an independence?
Why do you think he led the Labour Party to a “heavy defeat”(phrase Corbyn used himself to describe the result)?
@@worship568 why do you think Corbyn lost to Theresa May (a terrible candidate) and then led the party to its worst defeat since 1935? He's an incompetent narcissist
I have a lot of respect for Emily, but you could see that half of that interview was just more bullying Diane than interviewing her.
@@milesm1234Study how the electoral system works and you’ll see that Corbyn was hugely popular.
@@markrichley4075 study opinion polls and the results of two General Elections, and you'll see that Corbyn was deeply unpopular outsode of his own cult
MPs should not be allowed to accept any gifts or it should be capped at £50
Whata load of partisan baloney especially when two of the presenter take gigs in hosting starmer events..
The idea that a grownup would go to a Taylor Swift concert rather than Shostakovich is deeply depressing. 16-year-old girl - yes. Grownup - no!
The fact that people have different music tastes is "deeply depressing" to you shows a lot more about you than anyone else.
Of course, it says a lot about me -it’s my comment! But since I guess I am meant to interpret that as criticism …… I accept it shows that I wish that adults, especially intelligent ones, would seek to engage with things that are intellectually challenging and of permanent merit rather than facile and “flavour-of-the-month”. Just as I’d expect they would opt for Jane Austen over Enid Blyton….. or JK Rowling, for that matter.
This trio of journalists has butter on their heads. They jumped on the same bandwagon of the freebies non story. Now they want to row back on it....?
They could have explained the issue in the beginning so much better.
Forget JFK. This is the day Lewis rocked the turtle-cord combo. The world will never be the same.
They will never be forgiven for taking away the winter fuel allowance from poor pensioners while enriching themselves with freebies. Never.
Change the rules so its fair to all -make it unlawful to accept over $200 to MPs
looking forward to John informing everyone how much he provided in gifts and hospitality to all the politicians who attend his book launch, no doubt his favourite sources will be enjoying many a free drink and sharing inside information for the podcast to report on in future episodes.
Lol EM face at 21:19 😂 yes! I feel that way hearing DA take zero accountability too!
Why should she take accountability for all the backstabbers in the Labour Party working to get a Tory win?
DA's references to "communist Russia" and "Soviet Russia" when talking about Corbyn's attitude to Putin show the extent to which she is abreast of world affairs. Utterly clueless.
It was quite deliberate.
How so?
I am glad to see the other comments being much more respectful of Diane than this tabloid take
Disrespectful? How odd. Tabloid? no.
The term "communist Russia" was used by Diane to counter the insinuation that Corbyn's cautious approach to Putin may stem from a nostalgic desire for the return of the Former Soviet Union (FSU) among the left. This viewpoint was notably articulated by Ken Clarke on BBC Question Time at the time of the Skripal poisoning.
Diane is a highly intelligent woman
Diane knows more about world affairs than you could ever know. That's why she has achieved more than you in life. Dianne addressed directly the vile tactics by the press to portray Corbyn as a communist. Emily Mailtis herself went as far as putting up a picture of Corbyn dressed as a Communist in one of her Newsnight episodes. Diane knows what she is talking about. You are the ignorant one.
You guys are so missing the point. He shouldn’t have accepted the flat. Hes wealthy enough if it was needed to pay for a hotel like the rest of us would do.
I'm sorry, did Kier just threaten Beth Rigby with 'I won't come to your parties anymore'?
You got to love these guys and the format. Of course it’s the guys themselves who are just fantastic broadcasters
And Emily Maitlis ???
Not a guy !
At least, not by my standards.
@@brianferguson7840 'guy' is now a gender neutral term and has been for a long time.
@@brianferguson7840 For Fs sake are you thick !?
The real scandal is the hair of Lewis. How does he get on the air with that mess?
It's because it has It's own equity membership card.
I keep waiting for the intro
It's Jon
It's Emily
It's Lewis's hair
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And the missing tooth?
@@annishilcock4587 perhaps he's scared of barbers and dentists
And lack of toothpaste
There were 30 paid Russian agents in the house of commons under Bojo. Brandon Lewis etc. It's disingenuous at best for Lewis to jabber about counterfactuals when the actual PM was very sanguine about Russians to the point of appointing them to the house of Lords.
I used to work in a video shop (remember them) in the 80s . A bloke came in asking for a copy of Leg End. It took a while to find out he wanted Legend - the Tim Curry movie from 85
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He didn’t pay £20,000 for the apartment, but it saved him more than £300 (oh, winter allowance) from his own pocket 🤷♂️ And if the journalists were outside his house, surely the main stream media would have been savvy enough to find out he was hiding in Ali’s penthouse……or was he 🤔
Diane Abbott comes across as someone who’s been very hurt
I saw our former MP in Sainsbury's last night, presumably buying his own food.
All the RWs are the same that includes this labour government, remember Welsh 1st minister being paid off as well?
Oh the upper middle class’ness of it all 🤢
Fab interview with Diane! Thoroughly enjoyed it
Sorry but having thousands of pounds worth of clothes for yourself paid for by a donor is in a totally different category to getting invited to the odd drinks, dinner or event. The former is an ongoing benefit, the latter is a one off event. The rules around what politicians are allowed to accept needs to be brought in line with the private sector (very few personal gifts are allowed in private sector post Bribery Act).
I get the thing about the flat and no hands changed hands but this is occurring while people are homeless; older people are worried about warming their homes etc.
Additionally most of the UK public can't afford to go to a cup final or Taylor Swift concert.
IMO it's just tone deaf.
After his son finished with it, maybe keir could ask his mate if he could let one or two of the pensioners who cant afford to hear their homes use it just for a bit. I get they arnt having to do their gcses, but Ive heard freezing to death can also be stressful
He's a member of the legislature, isn't he? Like Bojo's Russian chum.
Emily has a bee in her bonnet about Jeremy Corbyn.
I was the first black kid at my primary and secondary school too …
Don't know if I was the first. But I was the only.
@@EdwardLindon me too all through both schools til I got to 15!
Must have been fun!
Less of the Shostakovich bashing please!
I want to complain then that I could not get tickets to your Royal Albert Hall show - News Agents. I think its only people with connections and free flowing money who got tickets. What about those with no such agency who also lòve your podcast!? Could be just sour grapes on my part...please can I get tickets 😢. I dont want them for free but there is none left
The Newsagents crew need to read some Noam Chomsky.
So they could learn how to be soft on Russia and soft on China and throw Ukraine and Taiwan to the wolves?
Gotta wonder how badly Starmers gotta be caught red handed before you and the rest of the formerly reliable press stop running defense for him. Reminds of the week's James O'Brien spent defending Matt Hancock before the photos came out.
Caught red-handed doing what? Following the rules and breaking no law?
Starmer has yet to be caught breaking any rules much less laws. THAT'S how badly he has to be caught out.
“We might go this hospitality, we might meet interesting people, who might come on our podcast” - literal example of gain obtained via gifted hospitality etc. Unless you don’t make money from this podcast? 🤔
Journalism is a business just like Harrods. Politics is supposed to above that and paid for from the public purse, directly accountable to the electorate.
Jeremy Corby n was never ever a Anti Semitic or AR acisf
The most boring scandal ever. Who cares ?
Starmer did Not have she'
Why did Starmer call Israel She??
Is he saying Israel is a Damsel in distress??!
Sickening that Starmer stands up, supports Israel a Genocidal Murderous Regime!!
Freedom for Lewis' hair
It’s the hypocrisy, particularly when his first action is to deprive a million pensioners of vital funds and he does nothing to lift thousands of kids out of poverty.
My generation (pensioners) are the richest demographic in the UK by a huge margin ! We benefited from cheap housing, final salary pensions, early retirement on full pension from public sector jobs, massive profits from house values, and a triple lock scheme which guaranteed bigger pension rises than workers pay rises. And yet my contemporaries are whinging about losing a £200 energy payment when young parents can't feed or clothe their children.
those funds are not vital for all pensioners, many pensioners are wealthier and have bigger disposable incomes than most of the working population. The idea that pensioners on £2k a month and no mortgage need that money is just wrong... plenty of families on minimum wage who need that money more.
@ZeroFilmClips Maybe labour should refuse to accept any Christmas presents from their family and freinds this year. It can't be right that Keir Starmer gets some free socks and a selection box while telling everyone else that there are tough times ahead. Maybe he should wear a horse hair shirt and sleep on a bed of nails. an
The three of you has lost the plot, accepting freebies alter the way you act and the giver expects something in return, its how corruption happens.
If you exercise your power against the weakest, you might not be a party of power for very long.
“Getting”???
PM fails to understand the difference between free tickets that cost nothing (a sky party) and free tickets with a face value (Taylor Swift tickets). By all means get a jump to the front of the queue, but at least make them pay for the tickets.
He's not my prime minister.
What the public mind is the hypocrisy of Starmer. With great hand wringing he has told the country that there are tough choices to be made. But clearly these choices do not impact him or his family.
A man in the street accepting a freebie does not have the same potential ramifications for the country as it does for the PM.
The fact that Starmer refuses to apologise in the face of clear public disapproval demonstrates an arrogance begat of Johnson and the Conservative Party- well done. To say no rules were broken is to ignore that it’s those that benefit that make the “rules” it’s also to ignore something called ethics.
Mind you Starmer had his snot in the gravy bowl when he was head of CPS
It is 100% because Starmer is moralising, holier than thou, and ran on an anti Tory anti cronyism ticket. While him and his senior cabinet were doing the same thing. British ppl can forgive many things, but we hate hypocrisy combined with arrogance
I'll take a moralising Starmer who follows the rules over a gaslighting Johnson who breaks them.
I didn't think I would correct putting only reacted because of NATO
What ? I don't understand your comment ! Do you ?
He's not a charity case. He doesn't *need* someone to get his glasses for him. His wife doesn't *need* her clothes bought for him. He can afford to get his own Arsenal tickets and to rent auxiliary flats. It looks pathetic, if nothing else.
can he? he's on what? £150k a year?
and he already buys his season ticket but his security vetoed it as the seats are in a stand with the general gooner crowd
He DOES BUY HIS OWN ARSENAL SEASON TICKETS. And the fact that you appear not to be able to understand this fact is a perfect illustration of the problem of media misrepresentation.
Yeah, down with presents!
If it was just Starmer "having his kid in some flat" you'd struggle to find anyone to care, but £20k is £20k however you paint it. It'd be cheaper to book a king room with a balcony at the Hilton for a couple of months but maybe that's not upmarket enough? I mean can you imagine the uproar if Sunak personally took donations like this? The Frank Hester situation was unacceptable, but at least it was a party donation instead of him further lining his own pockets while simultaneously attacking Labour for being a party for the rich. I'm not even that bothered by this but watching the defense of such blatant hypocrisy is unbearable.
Sunak was busy enough robbing the public purse, £10 million for his helicopter? And we haven't heard anything about the donations and gifts he got but that doesn't mean there weren't any.
Jenrick has accepted more in donations and gifts in a few months than Starmer has in 5 years.
A pm is not comparable to the monarch. Most people understand and are OK with funding the royals.
I would prefer political parties are funded from public funds, at a low level. It shouldn't cost a fortune.... but mps would no doubt make the rules so it would
This is not a story about a political contribution. It's a story about a present from a rich mate.
There are few in British media as lacking in self awareness as this crew.
Jesus take the wheel
Jesus can drive?
@@yuchoob couldn’t say. It’s a figure of speech
@@jessd4048An American figure of speech, which leads one to reasonably wonder how much you do in fact know about British media.
@@EdwardLindon In this case Canadian. You’ll find it’s a country that absorbs cultural overlap from its southern border and its rotting WASP British commonwealth origins.
A Canadian with more than enough ‘familiarity’ to speak on the subject of politics, media & language - both from prior lived experience in the UK, much to my chagrin, as well as current family ties to the soggy little island it is presumed from your haughty attitude and passive-aggressive snark… you call home.
The deep irony of chiming in with ‘what do you know about the British media you’re American’ - while the very hosts of *this program* present a US politics spinoff podcast. Read the room my guy
But then what does one expect from a citizen of a nation that dips its jafa cakes in unwarranted arrogance every day at tea time?
@@EdwardLindon in this case Canadian and yes, more than enough
The question that begs justification.....Would Ali have lavished such gifts on Stamer if Stamer wasn't in politics
The question is a bit obtuse.Ali Waheed has alwys backed Labour and has always wanted a Labour governmnet so of course he helped him with his image and that of his wife
That's a remarkably silly question. As a leading labour politician he was supporting the person he wanted to become the leader of the country, and doing anything he was able to do to facilitate that process.
@@brianferguson7840 Quite...but I'm not sure English is the first language here...a question begs an answer, but the answer may need justification.
Diane Abbott is an extraordinary person. You should have asked her about being interviewed by Naomi O'Leary.
Lewis, I know you’re excited 😅 your hair’s a mess! Sort it out immead
We'll done Diane.. you made that journalist look petty..
It's three middle class journalists, with middle class views.
Yes. Some people are middle class. How terrible. What would you prefer? One working class journalist, one middle class one and an upper class journalist? What would that even mean? And if non-middle class viewers want to see this, nothing is stopping them.
Lewis is working class, which is statistically quite rare these days.
As to the Downing Street pass, could it have been to get “Lord” Ali on the same political page and t speak for the government’s direction in the House of Lords? The reverse of the perceived interaction?
Will he stand up to bullies loke Natanyahu?
Sorry, Lewis, but just because Starmer was not handed £20,000 in cash does not mean he did not benefit to the tune of £20,000. In fact, I think he benefitted greatly more than that because there is a natural tendency to underestimate the equivalent financial value of a gift. You're splitting hairs when you show concern that people incorrectly think Starmer was handed £20k in cash: what is the difference when he was in fact handed a gift of that value? I think you've got a kind of Westminster village Stockholm syndrome. As to the difference between Starmer being offered access to a cheap flat in Halifax or £18m flat in London, of course there is a material difference not a moral one: both ought to be reported in the members' interests, but there is an obvious allure to luxury that would be potentially more corrupting. Besides, this isn't strictly about Starmer's access to luxury: it is about hypocrisy. The public has listened for months to a Labour Party that has called out the vanity and millionaire lifestyle of Tories, especially the millionaire Sunak, and yet Starmer was broadcasting from someone else's luxury flat whilst lecturing us on the need to stay at home.
If he wouldn't have spent £20,000 on it himself, then that doesn't make any sense. Also, the bloke who leant him the use of his apartment is a friend, colleague and fellow Labour Party member.
@@EdwardLindon What does this mean? How does this possibly justify what Starmer did?
i dont like her at all
Nor does Frank Hester.
When you say "policy on X"... in what sense do you mean "X."
Thing is the news agents only call it out when it’s the tories.
That's because it nearly always is/was the Tories.
Init ???
@@brianferguson7840 you just can’t help yourself can you.
@@simony2801 It's because @simon2801 is right on the button and you obviously were talking in error
@@brianferguson7840 always, wow. You do remember the previous labour government, lying to get us involved in a war? Im not saying the tories are squeaky clean btw
Great hair!😊
Couldn’t agree more.Who else stays at this apartment for free?Disgusting to imply money changed hands.Double standard clowns who epitomise todays news.Calling themselves journalists is like calling James O’Brien balanced.