R. C. Sproul's View of Election & Predestination
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- I examine Dr. R.C. Sproul's understanding of predestination and election.
R.C. Sproul, What Is Reformed Theology? Understanding The Basics, (Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 2016), 164-165 Kindle.
Leighton Flowers, Drawn By Jesus: A Biblical Defense Of God's Provision For All And A Rebuttal Of James White's Book "Drawn By The Father," (Trinity Academic Press, 2024), 87.
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I do agree with you, and have myself preached and taught this message to mixed reaction. Simply put: If there is "predestination" as Sproul has described it, then we do not have "free will". And if we have "free will", there is not the "predestination" that Sproul describes. You have to understand WHO Paul is talking to... those that have already placed their Faith and Lifestyle "IN CHRIST! Not to mention that if Sproul is correct it shows the word "WHOSOEVER" right out of John 3:16.
@@kcstangel8734 to my understanding, he would subscribe to a exhaustive Divine determinism which Wood eliminate any definition of free will come, but I think if that’s the case then that would in advertently place the blame on the Lord for the sins that happen. Obviously that’s not the case because the Lord is not the author of sin.
Very good arguments here. Really enjoy the video. Wish I could add to it but I've been sick and not as sharp as usual ❤
Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’ll be praying that you feel better soon.
Ephesians 1 was addressed to the assembly of saints in the city of Ephesus. Paul presumes that his audience has been elected for salvation back in eternity past.
@@jimstiles26287 You’re assuming unconditional election from the start instead of understanding that the blessings are predetermined to be given to those who will be in the elect one-Christ. Christians aren’t sealed by the Spirit until we believe the gospel according to Ephesians 1:13-14.
I am currently living in Virginia. If God provides a provision to all mankind, then how did God teach the residents of what would become Virginia about the Gospel in the sixth century AD?
@@jimstiles26287 That would require a preacher/missionary to communicate the gospel, or God could’ve used other means if he deemed it appropriate such as dreams or visions. My point isn’t to hash out if the all the spiritual gifts are active today or not. I’m simply saying those are possible means the Lord could use if he deemed it appropriate to communicate truth.
People who lived without the Gospel were not innocent. Whatever knowledge they had of God's law they suppressed in unrighteousness. Just like I was before God saved me. Just like you was before God saved you.
I don’t recall saying they were innocent. You’re going to have to be more specific with what you’re talking about. The reason people perish, as you have said is because they suppress the truth, but that is not because of a divine decree from eternity. People can grow calloused, they are not born in that state.
I've seen Sproul videos in which he denied the Trinity, said God the Father expelled Jesus from the Trinity during the crucifixion.
@@fantasia55 Wow, that’s definitely not biblical.
@bradleypenrod07 As has been noted since its beginning, Calvinism is closer to Islam than Christianity.
@@fantasia55 Are you referring specifically to theistic determination?
@@bradleypenrod07 Calvinism generally
@@fantasia55 That makes sense because Calvinism ultimately goes back to a divine decree in eternity.
You need to perform exegesis on those Bible verses that have been historically used by Calvinists to support unconditional election and irresistible grace.
@@jimstiles26287 I am aware that those verses have been used as a proof-text for unconditional election and irresistible grace.
1 Corinthians 2:14
Would you please put more effort into it besides proof text.
“Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, since the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except his spirit within him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God. We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually.”
1 Corinthians 2:10-14
As you know, Paul is addressing the church. If believers do not set their mind on the things of God, they will not understand spiritual matters.
“For my part, brothers and sisters, I was not able to speak to you as spiritual people but as people of the flesh, as babies in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food, since you were not yet ready for it. In fact, you are still not ready, because you are still worldly. For since there is envy and strife among you, are you not worldly and behaving like mere humans? For whenever someone says, “I belong to Paul,” and another, “I belong to Apollos,” are you not acting like mere humans?”
1 Corinthians 3:1-4
It is clear here that Paul considers these individuals, brothers and sisters in Christ, but they are not where they need to be to maturity level to understand the deep things of God because their mind is set on carnal things. This does not support total depravity.
Perhaps a better phrase to better understand what Calvinism teaches with regards to total depravity should be called single depravity. This means that man can make choices, but he cannot make the single choice to believe the gospel, so as to be saved. Without the T in the TULIP Calvinism has no foundation because if the T is false the other points are unnecessary.
So a man can freely believe in the lie of the Quran, the Vedas, the New World translation, and the book of Mormon, but he cannot do the one thing the Lord Jesus said to do which is to repent and believe the gospel.
Calvinism is consistent within its own systematic, but it is not biblically coherent.
Romans 9
@@jimstiles26287 Simply providing a whole chapter as your proof-text doesn’t move the conversation forward. I’m keenly aware that Calvinists have cling to Roman 9; Ephesians 1; and John 6.
This end of Romans 9 explains why the gentiles obtain salvation “What should we say then? Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained righteousness - namely the righteousness that comes from faith. But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not achieved the righteousness of the law. Why is that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.”
Romans 9:30-32
It is unnecessary to superimpose Calvinism over the Bible to make it clear. The issue is that Calvinism doesn’t find its roots in the Bible instead it finds its Genesis with St. Augustine that becomes even more clear when one looks at John Calvin reliance upon him in his institutes of the Christian religion.
Calvinism is poison. Period.
What’s your position on those who hold the doctrines of grace to be biblical?