The American Flying City - Forgotten Atoms For Peace Airship
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This concept give me a BioShock Infinite vibe. Of all the terminated projects we’ve covered so far, I’d love to see Atoms for Peace come to life the most.
"Atoms for Peace" was actually an entire project/PR campaign (look up operation candor for fun info) back in the cold war for the usage of nuclear science in civilian applications;It isn't referring to just this thing
A mini Columbia hahaha
They did make the NS Savannah, a nuclear powered cargo/cruise ship.
Nah man, it's the Pridwyn
The thumbnail made me think of an anime or game.
something to point out is while you call it a flying city, this airship would fit perfectly in the studio ghibli film titled 'castle in the sky'
Love that
Or as Castle Wulfenbach in the long-running steampunk comic series "Girl Genius".
Or a Jules Verne novel. The entire thing is very steam punk.
@@fredbloggs8072 more like atompunk
I actually genuinely agree with you😂😂❤❤ @@jackychan9236
The N.S. Savannah was a nuclear powered cargo/passenger ship that was also developed for “Atoms for Peace.” Unlike the nuclear airship, the N.S. Savannah was actually built, but it didn’t last long. Being a cargo/passenger ship, it wasn’t good at carrying either, and the crew needed special training to operate the ship. Many countries, fearing a potential nuclear disaster in their own ports, banned the ship from entering their waters. The economics just didn’t make sense. Also, civilians weren’t open to the idea of traveling next to a nuclear reactor, despite the numerous safety features in place.
I remember that. This channel and Mustard did videos on the Savannah as well th-cam.com/video/cYj4F_cyiJI/w-d-xo.html Given the number of past airship accidents, it's probably best that nuclear reactors weren't used in the sky. I mean, a flying aircraft carrier sounded awesome too.
@@Phrancis5 Probably not very efficient in weight as well. Nuclear reactors are HEAVY, and airships are infamously known for lacking the ability to carry large loads. Hell, the Hindenburg’s max payload with cargo, crew, living facilities, and passengers can probably be matched with a C-5 Galaxy.
They also learnt a lot from the NS Savannah that would have been very relevant to a nuclear airship. Stuff like learning which rubber seals go hard or break down under radiation.
The materials issues for a nuclear airship are oft overlooked, but tricky to solve
@@robertoroberto9798 beaten by the C5 actually. BY A LONG SHOT! Everything on an AIRSHIP was super thin, and lightweight, because it can't carry anything. It can carry a max payload of 21K lbs.. a C5 Galaxy can carry 6x that amount.
@@demcomp No, I mean the crew facilities and the bedding as well. We’re comparing a plane that can carry way more cargo at the cost of less facilities for passengers to enjoy, to an airship which carries way less cargo because most of it was spent on passenger comfort like a bar, smoking room, etc.
My heart literally skipped a beat when I saw the thumbnail of the Atoms For Peace Airship. I couldn't believe I'm actually finally going to see this beautiful, gigantic vessel animated. As usual, you've done a magnificent job of showing how breathtaking it was, in its size and scope. Now, since you brought this mammoth Airship to life with your wonderful animation skills, I'm asking. Can you please do the same for the Soviet nuclear-powered airship as well?!! If you decide to do it, you will definitely bring tears to my eyes. Hahaha.
Just one note: This is NOT A BLIMP. Blimps are airships without any supporting framework inside the main fuselage, they only keep their shape by pressure. This is a Zeppelin-like rigid airship. As can be seen there is a lot of framework inside. Furthermore, parts of the living space is inside the main fuselage. If it was a blimp that wouldn’t be possible as their fuselage is just a balloon with a gondola strapped to the bottom. So no, this is not a blimp.
Thank you.
After I make my comment, of course I find this. Thank you.
These kids would really be confused, if we were mentioned Zeppelin's latest airships. Those are not blimps either. :)
You are most certainly correct a blimp is classified as a non-rigid airship, while the Zeppelin type AIRSHIP is a rigid airship with an aluminum (duralumin) the shape and structure of the airship. How are blimps, and Zeppelin type of ships are both considered dirigibles, and or airships!
Well said!
@@diggingattycho7908 It's not a balloon, it's an airship! If you want to play with balloons, get outside!
The Atoms for Peace program sponsored the first nuclear-powered commercial vessel, the NS Savannah. I remember visiting the ship in Portland, Maine in the early 1960s. The ship was on tour and a must visit for a ten year-old.
When they future was actually the future and not some corporate technocracy BS pandering to overgrown mental infant fads.
Imagine a world so civilized that we could use nuclear energy to the fullest. Also a world that we could dispose of the waste responsibly.
To quote Pro. Farnsworth (from Futurama): "A man can dream"
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride nuclear airships.
So Fallout in a way?
We can do both. People have already long since figured out how to harness fission effectively and dispose of the byproducts safely and securely. The bottom line is that there’s just way too much money left in hydrocarbons, so nuclear power is regulated so heavily that it’s financially impractical to build or maintain. We’ve been living in the past since the 1970s because of greed and unwillingness to move forward towards a better future in the realm of power generation.
@@OneBiasedOpinion Well, to be fair, (although I'm a fan of nuclear power, and think we should have embraced the technology and run with it), there have been some spectacular disasters, not helped by the arrogance and condescension of the atomic community towards reasonable questions about safety, then when there's a disaster, they don't seem to know what to do. Cockcroft's folly springs to mind.
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Despite being referred to as a 'blimp' many times in the video, this vehicle is not a blimp. It's a rigid airship.
Have you ever considered doing a merch store that sells models of the vehicles you tell these stories about? could be a neat way to make some cash on the side.
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Could be an issue with licencing. Don't really know how it works, but maybe the companies that designed the vehicles could have an issue with them selling their designs
Just an observation; the line of flags along the fuselage shows a Canadian "Maple Leaf" flag. If the airship is being portrayed as it would have appeared in the 50's, that flag is completely wrong. During that time period, the Canadian flag was a totally red field with the British Union symbol in the upper left with the Canadian coat of arms in the lower right. The Canadian "Red Ensign". The one pictured was only adopted in 1965. Otherwise, a really interesting topic, with excellent animation and graphics.
This is a rigid airship and not a "blimp!"
9:31 I’m quite certain it’s not “kneel”, but “keel” (pronounced: key-eel). The bottom most structural member of the hull of a ship.
For a man that created excellent visuals he spends zero time researching the pronunciation of some names/words.
I'm so jealous of the multiverse timelines that goes these.
This is probably the coolest video you ever made.
I have no idea how you can consistently dig up these amazing projects I've never heard about.
If it was actually built, my life would be spent in this Airship, I'm with you, it's a good place to live in, the Flying Cities would have great life
amazing work as always
Thank you! Cheers!
My father worked as a aerospace contractor in the 70's and he used to tell me we have tech they are working on that are 50 to 100yrs beyond what we have today
The other major problem is risk assessment - you need to weight the effects of a worst case scenario and the probability of such a scenario. In the case of nuclear powered airship, the very not-zero chance of airships crashing or being destroyed mid-air and the dispersal of the nuclear fallout. That alone would have killed the project if nothing else did. As a video game vehicle, this would be awesome and it was done in Fallout 4 and in other games.
Love these videos they are so good
My question would be how heavy is the cooling system and how many hundreds of gallons would be required for safety.
I've been trying to create an opening setting for a steampunk novel! I've found inspiration! Great Video!
I would love to read when done! Do you have a specific platform?
@@Victor_._. Sorry, no. I'm doing it on my computer. It's a steampunk/alternate history novel. But the "Atoms for Peace Airship" has inspired a luxury French airline, a flying symbol of national pride.
Another great video!
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Love your "photography" about Aircrafts! ❤
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Amazing work. I love airships, but this could be disaster waiting to happen ;)
In the 1980's I read a Bulgarian book that describe something like this (atomic airship), but it did not spoke for this particular one.
Airship crashes are relatively low forces. It was calculated to be very easy to make reactors safe for airship crashes.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 will not call 150 km/h low force, but is better than 600+ km/h as slower jets fly.
Man the music from the Ace Combat 7 flying air craft carrier mission would have fitted the into so damn perfect
I wander how popular airships would be on a Super Earth, where the distance between continents would presumably be larger.
On other worlds, land ships and airships would likely be the norm, even compared to traditional cities.
Supersonic aircraft would be really popular too
Gravity would increase and make airships even less economical. Planes would still rule the sky.
@@robertoroberto9798dont even go there, gravity wouldn't allow anything at all , also the airship would be way way better than an airplane in that situation
@@robertoroberto9798dont even go there, gravity wouldn't allow anything at all , also the airship would be way way better than an airplane in that situation
This video is impresive and give me idea what to add on my airship build
The artwork for this is pretty incredible.
Still would have been cool to see in real life. Even cooler to be a passenger.
Given how well the 'Nuclear-powered' Cargo/Cruise liner was received, i take it people were thrilled at the idea of a nuclear reactor *floating over their heads* !!
Launching this airship at the time would’ve been like trying to launch a modern supercarrier before 1941, or a B-2 when planes are still wood and canvas- the industry, infrastructure, and operational experience just aren’t in the right state for it.
True, but it’s those projects that lead to progress and technological advancement.
@@stinkymccheese8010 unfortunately, real technological advancement is also known as "repeated failure" and is therefore politically unfavorable.
The Horten brothers built their first flying wings ("B2's") from wood and canvas
Source: trust me bro.
God how I love this channel, I've watched a lot of your videos hehe, this is probably my favorite, since it touches on my favorite theme, Zeppelins!!.
By the way, a question that came to me after watching the Ultimate Hellsing anime, where a zeppelin (the deux ex machina) appears, which is capable of transporting 1000 soldiers (not counting the crew), several Uboat submarines, airplanes, and numerous missiles. V1 and V2 with napal and probably white phosphorus, and a steel coating, would it be possible and how big would such a zeppelin be?
I appreciate answers.
PDST: Greetings from Argentina and good luck!!!
It would be huge, but wouldn’t actually require that much material. Most of the inside of a balloon is gas so wouldn’t be super heavy
@@FoundAndExplained Thank you very much for answering, the anime is called Ultimate hellsing, you can look for the scene where the Zeppelin appears as (Hellsing Ultimate - London assault (sub esp)), it is a very good anime and very gore.
PDST: They also destroy London, the revenge of any Argentine (including me) xdxd.
Greetings and good luck to you!!!.
As part of Atoms For Peace the UK released the designs for its Magnox reactor. This could run off natural, i.e. non enriched, uranium and would produce plutonium as a by-product. This formed the basis for North Korean plutonium production and the Nyongbyon reactor is based on the Magnox design.
It's a pity that the politicians in charge didn’t see a point in making it!
If they did, any technical challenges would have been surmounted eventually, and the Atomic Age would have looked very different.
Good video ,I'll look out for more 👏🏻
Amazing work as always
I've always felt the world gave up on Airships too easily after the Hindenburg disaster. The safety regulations simply needed to be vastly improved, that's all. I'd very much prefer traveling in something like this than a conventional airplane. I don't know about it being nuclear powered, though. I think there are much safer fuel alternatives. By the way, I've been subscribed to you for quite a while and this is my first time commenting on any of your videos. You do a lot of great work here.
What did airships in was advancements in aircraft design.
By 1938 airships were obsolete for passenger service. Aircraft could do it cheaper and faster.
@@jamesricker3997 That's true. Airships weren't as as quick and cheap as airplanes, but I still think there could've been a way maybe further down the line where the industry could've achieved that with airships. They definitely could today. Maybe not cheaper, but the experience of air travel would be much more comfortable.
What I'm asking is: Is an airship worth it energy efficiency wise?
Since airships don't need fuel to generate lift, would they be feasible for cheap cargo transportation in areas with low infrastructure or difficult geography?
Like for providing help in an area after an earth quake or serving as mountain ambulance and such for example
Airships suffer terribly in bad weather, they are literally death traps in a storm.
Sure they are majestic and there is romance to them but they really are a dead-end for all but the most niche use cases.
Also to consider is that you're talking about a ship the size of Titanic, that can maybe heft 50-70 people, plus baggage and food/water supplies...vs the *thousands* of a regular ship.
A major factor that ultimately killed development of nuclear-powered aviation was the inability to develop a reactor that was both light enough and powerful enough to be used for aircraft propulsion. I think that with greater lift capacity and less power required the dirigible was a little closer to reality than nuclear-powered bombers. However, I'm also thinking it was largely a product of the imagination of Popular Mechanix magazine and Goodyear's marketing department.
Yea my first thought was along the lines of oh ffs this was when the genius collective thought airbreather reactors were a thing lol.
Everything about it, except for the fact that it would be a radioactive deathtrap, is super cool!
You'd be surprised. Airships are actually extremely safe contrary to popular belief, and even when hey crash it is at relatively slow speeds. It was considered by nuclear engineers to be easier to make an airship reactor safe than a conventional ship reactor (actually built and in use).
Wonder if this inspired the airships of the Fallout franchise…
Requesting videos on the following:
-switchblade aircraft designs such as the FA-37 Talon from the ‘05 movie “Stealth” or the X-02 Wyvern from the Ace Combat franchise (the concept, not the actual fighters I mentioned)
-Super Tomcat-21 and ASF-14
-the NATF program as a whole
-early ATF proposals
-Sea Apache
-F-20 Tigershark
-Bae SABA
-Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Technology Bomber proposal
-Northrop’s proposal for what would become the F-117 Nighthawk
-Interstate TDR
-JSF proposals OTHER THAN the X-32 and X-35
-XFV-12
-Gloster Meteor
-the proposals that didn’t win the F-X program that spawned the F-15 Eagle
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There was a young adult sci fi book decades ago, about a military nuclear powered airship called The grand Eagle, which was a flying aircraft carrier. This video made me think of that.
Good Video as always
Interesting; thank you, buddy!
Great video! 👍 It reminds me of the sci-fi series “Fringe” (2008-2013), which involves alternate universes. In the alternate universe the Hindenburg disaster never happened. So, travel by airships is the most common form of air travel. There was one cool scene where you see passengers disembark from an airship at the Empire State Building.
This video is very cool👌
The airship is an awesome design and the drawings do an amazing job at showing that.
I got to say I love the your recent introduction of comicbook style images and artwork in your videos. They look great and make the explanation cooler.
P. S.: Did you use AI for the artworks? 🤔
Brilliant idea!
> "Tool of peace"
> Only has flags of one geopolitical bloc along it's side
Seems legit
It was supposed to show off nuclear nations to non-nuclear nations
Reminds me of one that went up in flames. ;)
It's only peace of America forces it down your throat.
Took me a few minutes to realize you weren’t putting lightning in the clouds behind the airship, but clouds popping in and out of existence in your animations. 😂. Still love the video 10/10
I wonder if this is where Sonic thr Heghog creators got the idea for the flying battery levels. They seem to share a lot in common. Also, they eventually did build a ship for that Atoms for Peace program, but as actual ship, the MS Savanah. The problem was by the time it went into service, nuclear power was become a bit taboo, and the ships were far more expensive to operate than promised. But the ship still exist today, laid up in Baltimore, MD, USA.
probably the entire history of Dirigibles as use for warfare, there were A LOT of crazy designs, from untouchable (at the time) bombers to aircraft carriers
If i could choose one thing from your channel to bring back it would be this
There was a bit of a problem with dirigible definitions. There are three classes of Airship, Ridged, semi ridged and non ridged. A ridged has a frame, a non
ridgeds is maintained by pressure and a semi is a mix. Eg: Zeppelin's are ridged, Blimps are Non ridged and the Norge and Italia were semi Ridged.
Could you do a video on the Blohm and Voss BV 141
Finally something related to airships
This is the type of things that i definitely put into my 50's styled Spy Novel if i have one.
Would have loved to see this come true. What a great idea❤❤❤❤
Nowadays, such an airship could be powered by electricity ⚡️ generated by solar panels all over the substantial surface area of the airship, and stored in modern batteries, it could also have onboard generators that run on hydrogen as well, particularly for nighttime operations or for emergency power. I definitely think that airships could potentially make a comeback, particularly for luxury air- cruise applications. An airship that is large enough to essentially be an airborne hotel or city could essentially be an option for vacationing in the sky, just as a cruise ships do now.
Thank you for posting these videos!
Please have an excellent and awesome day!
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Uhhh...look up. A hundred miles probably one above you now. It's jimmy page or Will Smith!
Gotta wonder. They got the $$$
Seeing a 304.8 meter long airship would've been wild, 59.8 meters longer than the Hindenburg!
The fact you can drop from one of these in a suit of power armor is amazing.
This would be an excellent setting for some really good SciFy storie telling.
Very interesting Concept. I like it.🎉
new starship redesign is looking pretty radical
Atomic dirigibles are an awesome concept.
Now I know where the idea for te Fallout 4's Prydwen came from. Thanks!
Best inspirational avionics teaser ever
this sounds like the next bioshock setting, i love it
Just finished my Bio test😢 Thanks for being there FandE.
Are you sure making a nuclear powerd, city sized flying mass would create peace..?
peace through superior flying mass
That's funny!
More Airships!
Please do some videos about Hybrid airships like the Airlander!!
There is a very cool post appoc series of books called "Helldivers" by Nicholas Sansbury Smith where the last remnants of humanity huddle inside this type of airship, while sending teams to the destroyed surface to scavenge for materials.
Meanwhile this was a pretty cool video.
How would the power plant convert heat from the reactor to power? Normally nuclear plants use enormous amounts of water, heating it up and turning steam turbines with it, but an airship would have no way to get water while in the air
What an amazing and simply ludicrous / insane / fantastic concept.
Guess if one wanted to build something like that today, the most pressing problem would not be the nuclear reactor, or light-weight materials, but the lack of helium. Read somewhere that apparently we have been using up Helium reserves that were built up until something like the 1970s, and ever since then they were shrinking globally.
Remember "Crimson Skies:Hi road to revenge" on the original x-box?
I could see this in a story 20 years later in the games time line.
Probably been said before, blimps have no ridged structure. It’s an airship.
Great video! You might want to check your facts on the first nuclear reactor built in Latin America: I believe it was "Atucha", in Argentina. Cheers!
What happened to the cloud rendering during the nine minute period??
"People Of The Commonwealth. Do not interfere. Our intentions are peaceful. We are the Brotherhood of Steel."
I've been looking for this comment the moment i saw the thumbnail lol
I still like to think that I'll live to see something like this or near flying
How did they plan to cool the reactor?
Ships use the surrounding sea water
Holy Thunderbirds, Batman ... now this is a story to break an old Trekkie's heart.
Genuinely wish this was fully realized...
This is so cool!
There was a Vincent Price movie inspired by Julies Verne that had a similar theme.around 1960.
Im sure they knew about it
"Master of the World", though that machine was held up by lots of propellors.
The original Prydin airship from Fallout 4.
Well, its clear from the proposal itself that the concept was not feasible. Titanium and fibreglass manufacturing didn't mature until the 60s. The ship would have needed to vent helium, a precious resource every time it needed to land (if the ducted propellers were insufficient)
The added weight of lifting and lowering the hall would have been quite significant
The complexity of operating a floating helipad would have meant that pilots would need the same training as carrier based navy pilots. Not to mention that IFR basically didn't exist at that time, so all weather operations would have been near impossible.
Overall, the project is so ambitious that it would have cost almost the same as an aircraft carrier, if not more to develop. I highly doubt any country would spend that kind of money on a single propaganda tool...but then again this is the cold war we're talking about....
While I agree that this thing wouldn’t have worked as advertised, I do think something could have been made to work, until it crashed in some high winds . The gewgaws would have been dropped in design 1.1, nothing on winches, no helipad ( there is actually an Arthur C Clarke story that starts with a drone hitting what is essentially a fictional version of this thing, in the real world there would be a no fly zone around it ) , no sea landing . The lift thing was probably manageable with balonets ( balloons that could be filled with air within the gas envelope that could be blown up to decrease the lift of the zeppelin ) and possibly using the reactor heat as an additional source of lift as required . The specific strength of titanium and aluminium alloys seem to overlap at all but the most extreme values so going with something as rare and hard to work as titanium seems work for the sake of it, so that would probably be dropped as well. So a nuclear electric zeppelin using a small reactor out of a nuclear submarine might be feasible, until the first wind shear it encountered drives it into the ground.
Great recreation and animations. Perfect demonstrations! I'm curious about the performance specs. The nazis forced von Zeppelin to use hydrogen, for more lift and passengers. What you've listed as onboard equipment seems awfully heavy. Would helium have been able to lift this thing?
No, we the United States
Would not sell helium to the Germans. The Hindenburg was designed to be flown with helium as opposed to hydrogen and secretary Ickes the head of the interior department department was afraid Germany would use a helium for military purposes, so we would not sell them HELIUM for the Hindenburg so they had to go to hydrogen more lift, but can be a lot more dangerous
I feel like this should be included in The Grand Voyage. Might be a little far into the future but it is still technically a liner.
I can't say I can see a 1,000ft city but I could see this concept being shrunken down and used to create modern "cruise ships" in the sky instead of just the oceans
Go good in the jet streams (if you could control it, that is).
-what if it crashed in bad weather?
-how do you keep the reactor from melting without a lot of water onboard?
-I imagine that the price tag for this would be pretty high
I would have had 2 or more smaller thrusters at the back to remove the single point of failure :)
That single screw would surely have a serious problem ith torqe unless the weight inside served as a ballast keel..
Would have been wild and awesome!!
How would people move between decks on the airship? Old airships used ladders but that wouldn’t be efficient and people would want to climb up and down
This was just a pure concept that would never be capable of being built.
How would they cool the reactor?? I don't think that air cooling would be sufficient and water cooling viable.
"The story is more nutty than you might think?" *How?!* I'm already picturing cackling mad scientist laughter and a man stroking a Persian cat.
I knew i had read about this before. I probably had that particular issue of Mechanic's Illustrated. But i sold all of my collection of them during a yard sale.
Wow! Looks straight out of Legend of Korra, with a bit of Fallout 4 Prydwen thrown in! Super cool! But would have definably caused a lot more harm than good with that exposed reactor..