Capoeira vs Kungfu In MMA Match
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- We have a really cool test of martial arts prowess in this coverage of Defend FC's great matches. In this MMA match, we have a Capoeirista who we've seen in a previous match, and this time he's taking on Kungfu fighter. Let's see what lessons we can learn from this awesome style vs style match. Let us know what each fighter did right and wrong! Talk to you about the match and martial arts in the comments, and please go subscribe to Defend FC.
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0:00 - Round 1
3:26 - Thoughts
4:27 - Round 2
7:27 - Rd 2 Thoughts
8:22 - Round 2
9:55 - Final thoughts
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@Ramon Rangel I added the kungfu guy on Ins so I'll ask him.
5:18 that's a D'arche choke... You do the commentaries so you might want to know what that was!
@@SteveSimi Looks like an anaconda choke to me.
@@FightCommentary Yes, he actually used an anaconda. But the way he got his legs over was the typical way of finising the d'arche . I didn't notice his hands. He used an anaconda choke which has a different finish.. That was why it didn't work!
“Because they’re both strikers, they’re fighting kind of like strikers.”
This kind of deep, technical insight can only come from an MMA guy.
HAHAHAHA :)
Haha
🤣🤣💀
the funniest part is that he turned out to be wrong with the capoeirista doing his best BJJ impersonation for the last half of the match
HHHAWJAJAHAHA
The problem with the use of punches and hand movements is pretty much extended to all Capoeira groups out of Brazil. There are different hand strikes, punches, and elbows, but are generally not taught. It's something we are not used to, so it's often dismissed in the academias. But if you whatch some Capoeira vids of "street rodas" from Brazil, you'll see that the hands are often used, expecially as a distraction, as well as for strikes. But this is generally avoided in training rodas, thus many students are uncapable of experiencing that kind of attacks.
is it disrespectful asking to teach you that?
@@TBButtSmoothy no, is not desrespectful, it is simply something most teachers dont' teach cause it's almost never allowed in gim Rodas for fear that students would hurt each other. Of course it depends from the Group and the "style" of Capoeira( Contemporary, CdO, Regional ecc.) as well as the context of the game, but using hand strikes and elbows is almost always considered rough play and reserved for Rodas de rua ( street Rodas) opened to strangers, where everything goes and anyone can play. Capoeira evolved from a full contact sport to a semi- at times no contact-game when was exported out of Brazil, becoming more inclusive but loosing some of it's original connotations. 👍🏼
people are being way too hard on both of these guys (but particularly kung fu guy). It's a low-level amateur match, and they fought like low-level amateurs; that may not sound impressive to you, but I'm so used to seeing people devolve into drunken bar brawlers the moment a fight starts that I really appreciate that they both actually have techniques and are attempting, with mixed success, to use those techniques.
The most painful part is the capoeirista's grappling, not because he's so terrible, but because he has so much potential. He's missing sub opportunity after sub opportunity because he just doesn't seem to be aware that they exist, but he's able to really dominate space and control an opponent even though he knows so little. With just a year of serious jiujitsu training, he would be easily tapping this opponent out multiple times here.
Yeah, here 05:44 he is quite close to accidentally taking arm bar.
However, what caught my attention was the attempt of flashy techniques, while all the very basic kicks were sloppy. Even in the shadow boxing the punches were sloppy. The priorities are not set correctly.
@@user255 True, but that's presumably one of the reasons they're both at Defend. In most capoeira and kung fu gyms, sparring is either going to be borderline nonexistent or so soft as to be irrelevant. True amateur MMA (as opposed to feeder promotions to the pros) is a good way for these guys to step out and start experimenting with their techniques in the real world
I’m thinking the average drunk bar brawler would smesh both of these dudes
@@soysizzle200 lmao no way. The average dude with no training experience is way below these guys. I'm not saying they're good but people suck, drunken brawlers especially.
I must add: The pressure of competition makes you lose 40% or more of your sparring sharpness. When you go compete you're not the same guy you are in class. It's a whole different world.
Gotta admit. This is pretty cool.
Good point. No combos, they land a hit and that’s all they’ve got.
with more hard sparring they might develop some new combos, but these guys have heart
Also no power behind anything they don’t use their bodies right to drive their strikes thru the target.
@@soysizzle200 not every capoeirista is like that bro
Nice to see this capoerista keep at it and improving, I hope he learns to set up and follow up his strikes better so he can truly show off the flow of capoeira.
The kung fu guy straight up just needs more sparring, he was too shy and defensive.
For some reason this video reminds me of this one video where Capoeira and Kung Fu practitioners were learning each other's styles and having fun. It was pretty cool
Do you havee a link to that one?
@@FightCommentary th-cam.com/video/n20JFWSRcfg/w-d-xo.html Here it is!
I'm sure someone has already said this but the spin roll thing was taught to me as a gator roll to anaconda choke. It's a fun one to pull out if you get a nice sprawl ;)
Cool match, both guys looked like they did decent sparring before. This is exactly what Kung Fu should be, not the fake crap that gets clapped by Xu Xiaodong.
Xu is exposing frauds. Nobody gets this. Xu is not exposing kung fu as fake. He’s exposing FRAUDS. Why doesn’t he fight a good kung fu guy? Because a good kung fu guy isn’t a fraud.
This is the second fight by the capoerista. In his first fight he went full pure capoeira against a wrestler. He got submitted. So Im guessing he spent his time between these two fights to learn grappling
Nothing about this fight was kung fu nor capoeira it turned into an mma fight lol.
@@youngmf6052 very well said!
@@youngmf6052 He could just as easily be cherry picking the bullshido artists
I’ve talked about how a lot of traditionalists get into that ‘your hit my hit’ kinda sparring.
Just goes to show how little is still known about groundwork in the traditional arts.
Well done for them getting involved though. This is what traditional arts need to stay relevant
"Did you bring the equipment to set up the ring?"
"Yep."
[hands him a shovel]
This was really cool to see!
I'm Brazilian, about 20 years ago, capoeira used to be teached at public schools as an elective activit, as far as i remenber, for my almost negligible training at that time, capoeira had almost no punchs, but The Masters used to be very fast, and focused in take down oponents with a range of low kicks, leg sweeps, and locks.
Finally, you did it Jerry, I had predicted this video since the fight was uploaded. You almost disappointed me xD
Amateurs, or those with limited sparring experience/confidence throw few punches and/or combinations because they don't want to "fight". They don't want the exchange, as that is chaos, as takes time to get used to. Its the same reason most slipping/blocking/parrying isn't used by a lot of people in sparring, one you commit to being on the inside and defending, you HAVE to counter, which means you have to keep defending and hitting, which means the opponent also HAS to hit back. So either the fighter isn't confident in their defence, or they aren't confident in being in danger of multiple hits.
That's why a lot of "traditional" martial arts fight from the outside, and don't have follow-ups. They want to unleash strikes, hope they land, step out of range, rinse and repeat. Which is really odd, considering those styles favour blocks, yet don't enter the range to really make them effective.
The traps and blocks of wing chun, can be super effective, but you have to commit to being in that "chaos range", which most practitioners aren't. That's why mma guys that dabble in Wing Chun are able to make a few blocks and traps work, because they have the "calm within the chaos" as I call it. It is the most overlooked aspect of sparring. It doesn't have to aggressive and super-heavy, it is just training to be in that area where you can be grabbed or punched/elbowed, and being able to evade, defend and strike from there. Combine that WITH the ability to move out of range and circling, then you have a deadly fighter, see Lomachenko. He is the master of this, and its why he dominates, he gets in, and he stays in, but he doesn't just launch a combo, he just fights at that new range until its time to disengage or change angle.
capoeira has grappling techniques, to neutralize the opponent it is clear that it doesn’t have the finish just to hold the opponent, apart from other so-called "illegal" strokes that are not actually applied to the capoeira circle, but this capoeirista could have used more strokes like butting in the thoracic region and stingray tail, to reach the opponents.
It seems as though some people use modern capoeira to fight when the old way seems like tricky street fighting with unpredictable evasive techniques. The modern way is very impressive, but doesn't seem adapted for a rough environment.
@@Lymmar exaclty
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 I do appreciate the idea of turning combat into a dance, like a celebration of not needing it anymore. Other than a very small channel on TH-cam it is very hard to find anything older. Are there any resources you'd recommend?
@@Lymmar it's turned into a dance because slaves were not allowed to practice martial arts for obvious reasons
No most Capoeira guys train BJJ as well in Brazil so it’s not something new to them
Love your Video's
this is like a tekken fight. sick snow covered background stage
You getting them terms down, good job Jerry!!
Yeah, I've been slowly memorizing!
At least they both represented their styles in this one...good to see.
Kung-fu vs Capo...ground and pound wins!!🤘 cool vid Jerry 👍
Hey jerry I’m from Brazil and train boxing, and already trained capoeira. They are good with kicks , but have no idea what to do in punching range. This guy is actually pretty good. If he had some boxing lessons , he could flow between kicks and punches, it’s not his fault he doesn’t know what to do in close range, it’s just that they dont train punches, only kicks.similar to a tae Kwon do philosophy. Kicks are hidden in the dance for disguise.
Capoeira has quite a few hand techniques, but alot of them are viewed as too dangerous or violent. Old Mestres like Mestre Bimba would use them, but he was widely thought as too reckless and dangerous. He once defeated another Capoeira Mestre with the Telefona technique, which is basically simultaneously clapping both of the opponent’s ears, which can lead to ruptured eardrums and permanent damage.
@Patrice Bateman lmao that shit’s wild, wonder if the kids had any idea they were using Capoeira lol
Unfortunately, too many of us capoeiristas don't train hand strikes. My school does thankfully.
The way they fight a good old fashioned straight right down the middle would be very effective.
Both did good and its cold and ground is hard and slippy so the fight conditions aren't the best but good to see
Awesome to see Phil again! And he threw a Meia Lua, too (I mean, he missed like that one time Marcus Aurelio did in Japan, but he recovered from it)!
To address the punching range question, I think it is both a combination of the fear of getting punched by the other guy as well as not training enough boxing when in boxing/punching range. Personally, I'm addressing this problem by taking boxing classes because kicks will only take you so far in a fight. As well as Phil not investing as much in boxing/punching as he should have, there were times where, as you said, he should have followed through with his combos into takedowns. By the second round (or maybe even the first), Phil should have been aware that his own grappling experience is greater than the kung fu guy and should have followed through with his combos to close in for a takedown (whether a capoeira takedown like Vingativa/Arrestao/Tesoura, or just an MMA/Wrestling/BJJ takedown). Maybe it was because he wanted the knockout or win the Capoeira way, but I would argue as a Capoeirista myself that even if he won via bad jiujitsu or ground n' pound that he still won a fight and wasn't stupid in just trying to stay fighting as if he was playing in a roda. Mad props to Phil!
I always wonder what kind of like, legal setup or whatever they have, like if someone got seriously injured in this, are they gonna end up in some trouble? Because capoeira especially, like with the spin around hand to ground kick, that's scary when it connects with someone's head. And so I could almost see capo guy being scared to land it, only using it when he's too far to hit, but I dunno maybe that's just more being nervous being within the other guy's distance?
As a capoeista, I can say we generally don't do much in terms of close punching range, as the range in which we fight with is farther than most martial arts. We also don't train in terms of ground and pound. Even though i feel like the capoeista's form in clip this could use some work, I have to give immense credit in his ability in his ground control. It's definitely a step about most other capoeistas!
Good Portuguese pronounciation. Brazilian guy here.
Not bad for Eddy Gordo.
They should've used the snow to their advantage. Start throwing snowballs
You have a real good pronunciation of portuguese, Jerry
Capoeira is a good martial art as a base in a few areas. But until you reach higher levels, theres almost 0 hand strikes. Various kicks and even sweeps and takedowns. And they train against resisting partners/opponents. Though its typically not combative. They still get context for resistance. But different groups train differently. He could have dominated so much more, but he seemed a lower level capoeiraista, or maybe the dirt was throwing him off.
Wish I can see a savate fighter here. Those guys KNOW how to fight using shoes. Purring kicks are horrifyingly painful.
I'll ask Aslan if there are any Savate fighters coming up!
Bom eles lutaram bem porém da pra ver que isso é um medium sparring (contact) no máximo não uma luta seria e também eles foram bastante técnicos oque não é algo ruim mas numa luta seria isso não ia funcionar muito bem .....
They should pay people to watch them
when the kid in a wheelchair fights the kid with one arm:
Don't really care about effectiveness, have to say, Capoeira is the most fun thing you can do (alone) to ever exist.
This kung fu guy seems to have learned kung fu here in Brazil. The problem here is that a lot of schools teach a more coreography oriented stuff, puting little to none emphasis in the fighting aspect of it. There are some schools that teach legit fighting stuff, but you have to look for it in order to find a good one.
Agree. Mostly inexperience. Why in my wing chun class we practiced driving an opponent into a corner and letting the beat-down come to us so to speak.
Opponent trying to escape corner is so open to anything it’s hilarious. This is where chisao practice shines.
So, my impression of Capoeira is that it's dancy Judo with Kicks. I think Capoeistas could do a lot better if they did more throws and leg holds.
Kung for action movie
Capoera for mma
only one dude brought glory to capoeira , forgot his name thou , lol
What kind of Gung Fu style is that?
@@pyronicdesign ?
@@pyronicdesign okay
@@pyronicdesign I hate that people even consider JKD a style.
@@pyronicdesign Right....but what if I hate hate?
@@pyronicdesign That’s dumb. Fighting hate with knowledge is like fighting stubbornness with knowledge. It doesn’t work.
BJJ as soon as it hit the ground
bjj/catch/gp as it should be.
A capoeira e Bjj são artes marciais do Brasil !!
Maybe it's just me, but this looks like Tekken 3
Give them both some BJJ lessons.
Why does Kung fu kick boxing always looks like jeetkundo? And why are they afraid of each other’s kicks? it’s poor form and no damage.
Throat music... Aahhuuuaaooouuuaaah!
Capoeira only works if you're brazilian.
I thought he fell from the ginga because the kung fu guy kicked him.
I'm not an expert but isn't the ginga not even supposed to be used as a stance. From what little I've seen the old ginga was much tighter, and used to avoid clubs, set up headbutts, etc. Seems almost like a karateka trying to fight from a horse stance.
*edit* Here's a video for reference. Great channel btw. th-cam.com/video/XobHmV02Jwc/w-d-xo.html
Ginga is just a Portuguese term for moving nicely and slick like in a dance or dribble
That was a d'arce attempt
Can we not act like the capoeira dude didn't up his game from his last fight and clap the Kung Fu dude's cheeks?
I didn't expect ANY of those submissions, and they aren't professional fighters, so the fact that he handled that other dude was impressive. Dude leveled up. Give him the glory.
The Kung Fu dude seemed timid... And that's unfortunate. Kung Fu tends to do well with follow up. He played it too safe and his offense suffered. Sometimes you have to see what's given and MAKE an opening.
I am impress Jerry that you know the techniques for Capoeira, not even me you do your research hey do more western arts and what kung fu does he do Hung gar.
Wait...Kung fu guy is from Brazil? And he’s fighting a capo dude!? Ok ok odd but cool lol
Why doesn’t the gung fu guy put his hands up?
I'm only guessing, but because he didn't train to
If your reaction is turning your back when you are low kicked, get out of that street fight and take a beginner kickboxing course.
i wonder what style of kungfu this guy does?
Probably one that involves sparring and no watching too many movies.
@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s that doesn't really narrow it down. I'd say this guy DOES spar (very lightly and infrequently), contrary to most kung fu gyms
It could be Wushu
Aren't most kung fu school teach with shoes on?
Why do MMA fighters get away with those rabbit punches when they're on the ground? I don't understand
can you time stamp it for clarity? The rules regarding illegal techniques in MMA (generally, not sure about Defend) basically prevent targeting, but not accidental hits or hits where the opponent is directly (even if unintentionally) putting themselves in harm's way. But I don't recall seeing the rabbit punches here. You just have to obey the headphone rule, so you can still punch the side of the head.
So many kung fu practitioners are hyper focused on high kicks and spin moves. If your sifu isn't teaching the Shuai Jiao aspect of your kung fu, gtf outta there!
What kind of kong fu he's learning ? Can't tell at all .. anyway, if ground fight .. it won't be much difference after all .. both fighter are not very much experience fighter .. that's i can tell .
I’d guess some northern style, but other than that I can’t tell.
@@nickcarroll8565 northern style ? Shao lin ?
@@leedane2694 yes, although that doesn’t narrow it down too much.
@@nickcarroll8565 👍👍👍👍
a boxer or MMA would kill them both instantly lol.
Wrong pants fpr this type of fight
Where is Capoeira here? I can see none!
Too many kicks, no hand work is exactly right.
What happens when you play to many video games and watch jake paul
If you would have ANY training experience, you could see that both of these guys have years of work/streching/stamina conditioning/ behind them
@@belzebul that’s prolly your wack axx in that video lolz
@@belzebul dog years with daylight savings time still can’t fight
dk mooooooooooo
Boxing man shoud fight both. Kunfu gay is not experienced ground fighter, other guy have bjj training.
The kung fu guy has little to no ground game that’s the problem
@um swurly yeah
Haha replays showing all the missed kicks
Fancy kicks that don't land and then it turns to bad mma
功夫的稱呼中國傳統武術的大概.沒說他是哪一門哪一派的功夫...
Pretty much everything they do is sloppy. Ground or standing.
This is corney then corn 🌽
This is how I would fight right now, with no prior martial arts experience... worst attempt at fighting ever.
post of video of you sparring then.
@@ginshin8246 Why would you want to see me fail?
@@iluvj00 I wanna see your style :D
@@ginshin8246 you just want it for the laughs haha
@@iluvj00 nah, you'll be great.
They are both terrible ground fighters!!
First!
Seen better fights in a nursing home
Well, they have the experience.
@@user255 shut up u don’t know shirt about fighting
@@andreweslao896 Pfff... dude, the old people in the nursing home have experience. Not these "fighters".
@@user255 that’s prolly one of your boyfriends fighting...... haha “I’m not ghey my boyfriend is hahha
Throwing kicks before setting it up.
Both are shit.
Meh im not impressed ... realy weak
Bullshit .
These cats fight like they have never actually really fought before. 😂 At least they are competing and getting better.
Boring...
Capoeria doesn't have any hand techniques; the believe the hands are for creation and the feet are for destruction.
Wtf man? Need to research better. Escala, galopante, soco, cotovelada, dedo no olho, tapa, telefone, surdão... I can remember just a few hand striking techniques in capoeira, but it have a lot.
Capoeira has deadly hand techniques that’s why they are not used.
@@yeetfeet1878 It looks like they don't work.
@@ShinoKrow My information is straight from old teachers. What you describe was likely added later.
@@EngineerMK2004 what a BS.
Lol both arts are completely useless. And no one is using there fighting style cause they Don't work.
100%
I wouldn't say completely. Both guys seemed substantially better than someone with no training at all, even if they weren't what I think of as a journeymen level
Lol go say that to a guy who does Capoeira you will be knocked out before you can count to 3. As for kung fu, Bruce Lee used kung fu as his base, which goes to show it’s about the martial artist and how they use their movements
then why was a mma fighter knocking people out with capoeira?
Bad everything. Cool moves means nothing if they don't land.