Exactly and has proof of real world mpg with over 30 mpg and people reporting almost 40 mpg actually so yeah much better option and @ a way better price
@@dbepic6996 The 3.0 inline 6 diesel isn't available in the Colorado/Canyon twins. Only the half ton segment. But I think they're going to add it to GM SUV's soon.
Yeah and quite frankly, the Colorado diesel is the only good one they make being their 8 speed auto is totally gimped with problems. Its the only truck that is pretty much what they sell overseas and IMO, overseas diesel trucks destroy the American offerings. Plus that one has a bullet proof 6 speed. Nothing wrong with that 2.8 duramax which is actually imported to the US from Asia. Probably why its harder to find them.
higher towing capacity too in the diesel models. This Jeep Gladiator diesel model sounds cool until you see the stats then it falls flat. Just about every other midsize truck sounds more appealing in other areas.
It may be a diesel but it doesn’t have the same torque power than the gladiator does and the diesel so I do beg to differ and if you want to be in the same comparisons of the canyon or a Colorado just get a sports it’ll do the same thing for a lot less money than the Chevy Colorado or the GMC Canyon I was a true believer of General Motors but the power that they put On them is nothing like the jeep gladiator and average 25 MPG
This 2G 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel came from VM Motori in Italy, originally a JV between Fiat and GM. Just when GM sold their part to Fiat they took with them the blueprints for the TD-2.8L I4 they've both developed. GM modified it to put it into the 2G Colorado / Canyon, while FCA made their own version for overseas JK Wranglers and enlarged it to 3.0L (used in today's Ram Pro Master large vans).
Andre: “Nobody else in the US, as far as midsizers are concerned, are offering a diesel.” Me * two minutes on the Chevy online configurer: 2021 Colorado ZR2 with the 2.8 Duramax, $49,190 including the tent for over landing.
Go with the ZR2.... anyone who questions Jeep reliability is blind that GM has been suffering terrible initial quality for years now. Lots of used Colorados out there for damn near nothing.
Best selling truck in the land has similar payload. My 4 door Tacoma was 950 lbs. and that wasn’t even the pro. Don’t think many people buying those care.
GM's TD (originally developed before the EcoDiesel at the same VM Motori building, but was modified later by GM) is an I4, while the EcoDiesel has a slightly larger displacent (3.0L vs. 2.8L) V6, which does account for MO' POWAH.
@@syxepop much rather have a 2.8L Duramax over a FCA Diesel engine. Also significantly cheaper car with just as much offroad capabilities. Front and rear lockers, rock rails, skid plates steel bumper winch mounts. Bison with Diesel is like 50k
@@jason7231 - you have to understand there are certain vehicles, like Teslas, Jeeps and all full-sized US 3 pickups that has a RABID FANBOI BASE that makes IMPOSSIBLE a TRULLY OBJECTIVE review on any of those (at least to the people who owns one of those vehicles mentioned).
The Chrysler/ Fiat 3.0 actually pretty reliable, we have 4 in our fleet with over 120k with no major issues. But 6 out of 6 of our 5.7 hemi has broken exhaust bolts with awful leak most happened before 100k . Dealer quotes 1500-2000 to repair.... Funny since its been in production for 15 years, figured exhaust bolts would be simple.
@@harlandurant7014 can't vouch for the Diesel BUT there's not a single high mileage HEMI that rolls into the shop that doesn't TIC. You would think they could have figured out that one too by now, right ? 🤔
@@paulmichaels3655 says FCA. It’s under 900 lbs. you can’t even tow 4000 lbs safely with two adults and some gear. If you have 4 200 lbs adults in the car it’s basically maxed out with a bag of groceries.
@@KTMcaptain bro Itll pull a fully loaded tractor trailer uphill on a snowy incline!. It has a LOT of torque. They always put it as less than it can do. Jeep diesels have GREAT torque!
Yeah and unlike the diesel, the 392 will only be available on the highest of trims. It will be purchased mostly by collectors and promptly put to storage.
Newer diesels are not worth the cost. Girlfriend's 2021 JL Sport S is soft top, KO2s in 255/75R17 C and aluminum skid plate with the 2.0L non hybrid. She just drove from EC WI to KY yesterday and pulled a bit over 22 MPGs.
Fuel range and torque. That said I'm disappointed with the payload and towing numbers too. Diesel fuel economy makes it ideal for overlanding. Payload rating makes it a poor choice for overlanding.
I wish they would cut the crap, put the 5.7 Hemi in the gladiator and be done with it. With 900 pounds payload you get your family in it and you don’t have room for your over weight dog. I really do like the gladiator but those numbers are not worth the 6k. For 66k you could get a fully loaded Ram Rebel, or a Ram 2500 with a Cummins.
I agree, the 5.7 should be available across the wrangler range not as a hot rod like the 6.2 but as an everyday hauler. It doesn’t have to be that expensive.
We just bought one. Z71 crew cab diesel. Might get here this week. I used the review Andre and mr truck did a while back as a guide. So I know they know about it!
@@kitchentrout5867 that’s so cute. I have a gladiator and wrangler diesel and have had wrangler for 2 years and the gladiator for 1 year. Combined mileage of 30,000 miles. I have not had one issue. Not one. The only thing I could complain about the diesel is when it goes thru the cleaning cycle of the exhaust, you must drive it hard and try to let it finish it cycle before turning it off or parking in your garage.
Andre keeps saying this is the only diesel available on a midsize truck. Diesel is also available on a Colorado and you can loaded Bison ZR2 for $15000 less than that Jeep, with more pay load and better seats
Do doors and top come off? Not to mention the jeep community And way worse resale value than the jeep so it cost u thousands more in the long run to own a Chevy.
@@chadhanson4369 resale on any jeep is horrible! Jeep is surviving purely off being the only overlanding manufacturer and the history of their name which is honestly actually a farce because "jeep" was a joint project from Willys, Ford, and Bantam. Jeep was actually an acronym that later became a brand name to make money off the lore of the vehicle through WWII.
You put four people in it and you're pretty much fully loaded. That's ridiculous! As for adequate cooling etc... seems odd. A 1980s Land Rover was available with 1500KG payload and 3500KG towing at the same time (4000kg towing with a bit of jumping through hoops) and engines back then were at best asthmatic, the brakes were a bit interesting too. Full time 4x4 though. We seem to be heading backwards! OK they didn't have heated seats back then and they do smoke a bit, overall fuel economy hasn't really changed - my Defender is getting 30MPG (UK gallons, so that's 25 freedom MPG).
@10:00 that metal bar is like 40mm from the top of his head...looks like it’d cave the top of your skull in when you go over a big bump!?!? Also: “it’s a pretty premium place to be”...as we’re looking at painted sheetmetal interior on the roof.
Funny thing is the gladiator actually has the same cabin space as a 2 door wrangler. There is no ammentities in the wrangler or gladiator either. Going to have to step that game up when the bronco comes out with power seats, heated and cooled, heated steering wheel, power mirrors etc. Ridiculous to pay 50k+ for a jeep and have the options of a 90s Subaru brat.
What car makers are doing is pricing their most wanted products for prices almost nobody can afford so it justifies the ridiculous prices they are asking for their entry level cars.
It’s gotten out of hand. A lot of it is because of all the tech in these things now. People expect to basically have an iPhone that they can drive. Then if you want to buy a base model without all the tech and want to modify it like adding new suspension, wheels, lockers, tune etc then they will try to void your warranty unless you pay the dealer an insane amount to do it all.
@@gerhardschulzy not only are they making more money on the cars themselves but they’re making more money on the financing. The longer the term the higher the interest rate is. A lot of car manufacturers have their own finance companies too. They’ve worked up the perfect scheme.
Great video as always guys. I hope Jeep reads the comment sections so they know what the average buyer has to say about their product. I say, that thing is way too expensive and won't sell like Jeep thinks it will.
That is a whole lot of money for a vehicle that is less capable in almost every way. Also you forget about the Colorado/canyon? That still has a diesel
Gladiators are all expensive. Life style truck or whatever they call it. Even the base models are expensive. People don't by these for capability that's for sure. Its more of a statement or image builder. Doubt many will ever go off road..
This engine hasn’t been around long enough to determine it’s reliability. Keep in mind this is not the same motor that was in the Ram’s/Grand Cherokee’s etc. I can say, as an owner of a JTRD, that this motor is amazing so far. Yes, I’ve only put 500 miles on it to date, so i can’t speak to long term, but as of today I absolutely LOVE the torque. 8th gear uphill on about a 3% grade at 70 MPH no problem.
0:12, 5:27 Andre, how could you have forgotten about the GM twins with the 2.8 Duramax that have been around since the 2016 model year?! To make up for this you guys will have to do a head-to-head comparison of the Gladiator Rubicon EcoD and the Colorado ZR2 Duramax. :)
People: we want a jeep truck with a diesel! FCA: ok here, 60k tho People: way too expensive I'm not buying it! Every damn time lol. Reminds me of how people say they want the stripped down version of trucks, but never buy them.
Great comment. The ones complaining are the reviewers and enthusiasts yet they are only 1% of the market. And rarely buy the car they cry to the manufactures to make.
It’s all relative, isn’t it? A stripped down work truck these days would have been pretty nice 10 years ago, even for the current prices they’re going for, but no one wants to buy them. People only want the nice trims, but then complain that they’re too expensive. People can’t live without their Apple CarPlay and heated seats. I’m not saying this is the consumer’s fault, a lot of these perceptions are set that way on purpose by these manufacturers. But that’s the reality we live in.
Yeah but its because its on the Rubicon. Luckily its available on lower trims but it will still be pricey being the option itself is over 5K. I think half that cost is for all the emissions and the DEF etc that is required to clean it up. And it runs clean. Could not see any smoke when he revved it up. For me, all that elaborate emissions systems just adds to problems down the road. EPA pretty much killed diesels in the US.
@@V10PDTDI I owned a Ford Ranger in the Fiji Islands for about 3 years when I lived there. Had the 3.2 5 cylinder diesel. Amazing truck. No DEF or any of that BS.
Just had a rental Tacoma TRD Pro for yesterday driving from Phoenix to Colorado Springs helping my brother move and as a diehard Chevy fan I was blown away and just about converted. With the two of us, 300 lbs payload and towing a 04 Toyota Matrix packed with probably another 600 lbs Payload we averaged 13 mpg over 845 miles driving the most direct route through the thick of the mountains. The truck and I never seemed to agree what gear it should be in but it never lacked for power to get up hills at speed, we could easily pull out and pass and it is the most comfortable vehicle this USMC Infantry Vet with my torn up back and knees has ever road tripped in! Put a diesel in that and I’d have to take my bow tie off for good AND it’d still be way under $66k
Drove a 2020 Sport model with the 3.6 and it was doing 22mpg on a long trip. Very impressive considering that I have done the same trip on a 2020 Tacoma Sport 4wd and it did 19mpg. The price is the only reason the gladiator does not sell, it is a really good driving truck. That being said both the tacoma and gladiator drift a bit on the highway so constant steering correction is needed . The 8 speed transmission shifts like butter compared to the tacoma. Tfl really makes their viewers more critical of whats out there. Lol
392 Wrangler is going to be just as expensive. Definitely will only be in the highest of trims. They only doing that since Ford took it up a few notches with the bronco launch. 392 will probably cost 70K when the dust settles. If the 2.7 bronco is reliable, Jeep will have a great need to move to a next generation Jeep much sooner then they thought. The 392 decision didn't just happen. They have been sitting on it. Bronco was the reason they announced that now. You better believe it.
Dodge did same thing with the dakota with no luxury to it and no package options such as off road , my 2005 dakota Laramie is bland as hell is a 4x4 with no skid plates at all. Dodge has lost there mind
@@Ulfstigandr Just think for a moment.......whenever manufacturers come out with something big, they put in the most expensive vehicle possible and to make sure the vehicle is loaded, they don't offer it in a cheap model. GM did that with the diesel engine in their mid size pickups.
@@richarde.6750 your not wrong, the Rubi 392 is likely going to be 80k for at least the first few years. But his initial comment was about the gladiator in general i think, refering to dealer stock like that. For the most part what a dealer will have on hand will average to about $50k, the bulk of wrangler and im sure gladiator sales tend to be up-optioned sport s models.
The jeep gladiator Rubicon diesel is the best 4 x 4 truck I have ever driven ever and I have driven dodge Toyota and General Motors and by far this jeep diesel gladiator put all of them to shame love it what a great truck
Do you hear that in the distance? That emptiness is the sound of no one surprised - specifically regarding the mother-loving price. Oh, and thank you Jeep, for making a more capable mid-size truck and reducing its range by 75-100 miles, reducing its towing capability, and making sure that 4-5 people and a stop at Snarfs Sandwiches will max out it’s 899lb payload capacity. Good thinking (sarcasm), guys!!! But at least Andre helped us to understand that no one else in mid-size offers a Diesel engine. . . 2.8L Duramax glares from across the room. This is not a good video for Sunday, guys. So wishing we could have had the wonderful Sunday morning coffee and “No Pavement Needed” way to start the day.
Snarfs, lol. Haven't heard the boys mention that place in a long time. Maybe they got sick of it being unfindable by any manufacturer's navigation system.
@@BROON71 But there are still brand new diesel Colorados on the lots. A few weeks difference in production date doesn't make much difference to me, as long as it's got a warranty.
My zr2 duramax is a midsize with a diesel. Delete and tune took me to 430tq and 229 hp...for substantially less cost. Really nice truck though. I also get 530 miles per tank.
@@jimbeam4111 Umm, the term "mall crawler/ing" is a figure of speech when describing the overall use of an off road vehicle. To put it more simply, most of those aren't going off road at that price until they are well used.
@@ubangiestomp i knew what you meant. My point was with gas and diesel prices projected to hit $6-7 within the next three years, vehicles like this will not sell and for the fools who bought them will see their 65k purchase drop to a value of less than $10,000. “Mall crawling moms” don’t want a jeep they want a Tesla and soon to be Xpeng.
I had this engine in my GC trailhawk edition. I miss it. Someone hit me and totaled the truck and I was never able to find another one. Maybe this is why?
@@cecilotto504 I agree. I do not like what fiat is doing to Chrysler and jeep.... I own 4 jeeps and 2 other mopar vehicles. I have been a lifetime enthusiast for mopar. I bought 1 newer fiat. And never again. But we cannot compare a midsize offroad built truck to the payload of a 3/4 ton. That being said nobody buying this truck really wants a truck it is a fashion statement. Unfortunately. Claiming it is an overland is outlandish. It should be able to fill the seats with people and haul/tow everything for a weekend adventure and not comprise its ability offroad. You do not buy a 4 door truck to put one person in it. The perfect overlander midsize truck jeep built was the comanche it had more payload than today's half ton trucks.
The 2500 series trucks are $75,000 or more!!! And is a full size truck and noisy!! The keep is so much Quieter doesn’t even sound like a dieselThat’s the most amazing part of this gladiator
Wonder how many people that constantly complain about prices in these vids are actually in the market for a midsize truck? This thing is loaded. Get a gas sport one for 40k if 66k is too much??
Interesting, you get a smaller tank that wipes out a lot of the extra range, lower towing, added cost of the Diesel, Diesel Fuel and Urea. It likely takes 300K miles to equalize the upfront and additional incremental costs. In a commercial application, it might make sense?
Cause those vehicles are horrible lol 😂 I mean Jeep is too but at least it’s a beast off road, and the Tacoma is actually reliable along with the Ranger albeit without a diesel option
Hmm...the poor sales figures of the previous Gladiator will be addressed by sticking in a diesel power-plant and jacking up the price. Did they address the "Re"-froster issue you guys discovered ?
@@Ulfstigandr They really do peel open like a can. We use F-150's at work and have had several bedsides completely replaced. It would have been a simple repair on a traditional bedside.
Dodge did same thing with the Dakota and priced them more then the 1500 and didnt offer anything for it other then a bland work class interior no real luxury off off road options. They threw this out there with all the bells and whistles super high price and no real use as a truck and wonder why the dakota and this wont do well in the market when you got dodge or just a plain jeep that will serve better and cost less
They are next year. I don’t know how people have forgotten about this already, unless you are buying in the next 8 months you should cross the duramax Colorado off your shopping list unless you are buying used.
What's the big deal with diesel engines? Lately I've been watching videos on trucks with diesel engines and they have a higher torque rating than gas engines but their payload and towing numbers are less. Why would anyone want to pay more for less? As far as workability of the truck goes.
Final price isn’t that bad compared to Australian mid size trucks like some top specs top 70+ but conversion from US dollar to AUD is 90 which be lucky to get base dual cab Toyota Landcruiser ute.
Sadly, most of those will probably sit on dealer lots for a long time till the price comes down enough, dealers will eventually lower the price significantly just to get Them off the lot. They will makes great used vehicles someday lol.
I love Jeep, I own a TrailHawk and a Cummins Ram, you made a mistake on your claim that Jeep is the only USA Company that makes and/or made a mid size truck with a diesel. Jeep wasn’t not the first in recent years to start a diesel in their mid size new Gladiator. That title belongs to Chevy (Colorado ZR2 Min-Duramax Turbo Deisel). Which is a very capable mid-size off road truck. Not as many aftermarket options but Chevy did it first. The sad story here is that Toyota NEVER brought their Hylux Diesel (Tacoma) to the US Market, and further more disappointment Toyota never introduced the International Diesel in the Tundra (I used to be a Master Certified Toyota Technician). Out of all motors companies, Toyota has dropped both its Balls (peeing on itself in the bottom of the market). JEEP... they along with Chrysler/Mopar have TRULY STEPPED IT UP! The new Rubicon Hybrid with 50mpg is coming soon this quarter (Q1, 2021) and so it the Rubicon 392 (Hemi-V8 with 470HP/470TQ)!!! Exciting times in the JEEP World... my response to Ford would be, KEEP IT UP! Ford is making Jeep BETTER AND BETTER!
Wow, so $66,000 US converts to $86,425 CDN and then we get to add 14% HST (tax) which brings the total to $98,524! Add a mild lift, 37’s, wheels, a couple bumpers, winch, a few odds and ends and a mildly built Gladiator will be $110,000 CDN! My dream vehicle is a 392 Gladiator and at these prices it may just be that .... a dream.
“Nobody else in the midsizers is offering a Diesel engine”
Colorado- “ do I mean nothing to you??”
Exactly and has proof of real world mpg with over 30 mpg and people reporting almost 40 mpg actually so yeah much better option and @ a way better price
@@dztransportsinc1018 and the non zr2 diesel Colorados can tow a hell of a lot for a mid size truck.
Didnt they make a 3 liter turbo inline 6, too? I'd take that any day over the Eco V6
@@dbepic6996 I’m not sure about that. I know they have a 2.0 liter turbo. Supposed to be pretty good.
@@dbepic6996 The 3.0 inline 6 diesel isn't available in the Colorado/Canyon twins. Only the half ton segment. But I think they're going to add it to GM SUV's soon.
We’ve been waiting for a midsize diesel truck for decades.
GM enters chat...
My thoughts exactly when he said that come on TFL show some love for the Bison package with diesel!!
Yeah and quite frankly, the Colorado diesel is the only good one they make being their 8 speed auto is totally gimped with problems. Its the only truck that is pretty much what they sell overseas and IMO, overseas diesel trucks destroy the American offerings. Plus that one has a bullet proof 6 speed. Nothing wrong with that 2.8 duramax which is actually imported to the US from Asia. Probably why its harder to find them.
After doing 10 zr2 duramax reviews you think they would remember other diesel mid size trucks.
GM: "Am I a joke to you"
TFL Truck are FORD fan boys.
GMC Canyon and Chevrolet Colorado beg to differ. Still have diesels available.
Ya. Why did they think it’s the first midsize with a diesel??
SO DOES THE RANGER... NOT FOR AMERICA MARKET BUT STILL CAN GET IT
If we are talking non American market the Toyota Hilux comes with Diesel
higher towing capacity too in the diesel models. This Jeep Gladiator diesel model sounds cool until you see the stats then it falls flat.
Just about every other midsize truck sounds more appealing in other areas.
It may be a diesel but it doesn’t have the same torque power than the gladiator does and the diesel so I do beg to differ and if you want to be in the same comparisons of the canyon or a Colorado just get a sports it’ll do the same thing for a lot less money than the Chevy Colorado or the GMC Canyon I was a true believer of General Motors but the power that they put On them is nothing like the jeep gladiator and average 25 MPG
GM has been putting diesel in their mid size trucks for a few years now.
th-cam.com/video/b-EuEpt_3fk/w-d-xo.html
This 2G 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel came from VM Motori in Italy, originally a JV between Fiat and GM.
Just when GM sold their part to Fiat they took with them the blueprints for the TD-2.8L I4 they've both developed. GM modified it to put it into the 2G Colorado / Canyon, while FCA made their own version for overseas JK Wranglers and enlarged it to 3.0L (used in today's Ram Pro Master large vans).
@@syxepop Correct.
Exactly...and I love that they make it sound like this has never been done before....lol
no its been decades. its been decades since they did this video. th-cam.com/video/BqcYm4_80Vg/w-d-xo.html
Andre: “Nobody else in the US, as far as midsizers are concerned, are offering a diesel.”
Me * two minutes on the Chevy online configurer: 2021 Colorado ZR2 with the 2.8 Duramax, $49,190 including the tent for over landing.
Jeep is relying on their name and the demand for better fuel mileage.
Jeff Falks I think he meant the other midsize trucks don’t offer a diesel 6 cylinder.
They are killing the 2.8L Duramax for the 2021 mode year
@@Frignothanks except that, as I stated, I configured a 2021 with the 2.8 duramax.
Go with the ZR2.... anyone who questions Jeep reliability is blind that GM has been suffering terrible initial quality for years now. Lots of used Colorados out there for damn near nothing.
I'm amazed they didn't beef it up to give it a higher payload rating. That's kind of a deal killer.
It's not meant to tow.
They kinda can't without a major overhaul of the frame or the suspension and not to mention the diesel engine weighs more then the other engines too
Best selling truck in the land has similar payload. My 4 door Tacoma was 950 lbs. and that wasn’t even the pro. Don’t think many people buying those care.
The towing capacity is decreased due only to heat Managment.
@@weirdshibainu For guys and you are overloaded. That payload is a joke. My Jett had more than that.
Colorado ZR2 diesel looks like a way cheaper option than this.
GM's TD (originally developed before the EcoDiesel at the same VM Motori building, but was modified later by GM) is an I4, while the EcoDiesel has a slightly larger displacent (3.0L vs. 2.8L) V6, which does account for MO' POWAH.
@@syxepop much rather have a 2.8L Duramax over a FCA Diesel engine. Also significantly cheaper car with just as much offroad capabilities. Front and rear lockers, rock rails, skid plates steel bumper winch mounts. Bison with Diesel is like 50k
He Keeps saying this is the only midsize diesel yet he keeps forgetting about the Colorado zr2 and the gmc version wtf?
Tfl is the most biased "non biased" vehicle review channel I've seen. If it's jeep, it's the best, according to them
@@jason7231 - you have to understand there are certain vehicles, like Teslas, Jeeps and all full-sized US 3 pickups that has a RABID FANBOI BASE that makes IMPOSSIBLE a TRULLY OBJECTIVE review on any of those (at least to the people who owns one of those vehicles mentioned).
You will get great mileage back and forth to the dealership for repairs.
Best mileage is a 2020 defender.
Your never allowed to drive it.
@@desertaliend_b9840 Sick BURN. Well done, Sir. 👌😎
The Chrysler/ Fiat 3.0 actually pretty reliable, we have 4 in our fleet with over 120k with no major issues. But 6 out of 6 of our 5.7 hemi has broken exhaust bolts with awful leak most happened before 100k . Dealer quotes 1500-2000 to repair.... Funny since its been in production for 15 years, figured exhaust bolts would be simple.
@@harlandurant7014 can't vouch for the Diesel BUT there's not a single high mileage HEMI that rolls into the shop that doesn't TIC. You would think they could have figured out that one too by now, right ? 🤔
And they won’t even know how to fix it.
So less payload than a Corolla? Makes sense.
Says who?
@@paulmichaels3655 says FCA. It’s under 900 lbs. you can’t even tow 4000 lbs safely with two adults and some gear. If you have 4 200 lbs adults in the car it’s basically maxed out with a bag of groceries.
@@KTMcaptain bro
Itll pull a fully loaded tractor trailer uphill on a snowy incline!. It has a LOT of torque. They always put it as less than it can do. Jeep diesels have GREAT torque!
@@royalloyalty8248 it’s not about the torque, which is substantial given the gearing. It’s about the rating and whether you follow those standards.
@@royalloyalty8248 no it won’t.
I paid $61k for a brand new 3500 Denali Duramax last year. The gross profit margins on these things must be huge!
That’s a solid deal bro 👍
I paid 68 for my 19 high country dually like 8 months ago
Imagine what the 392 Gladiator will cost!
Yeah and unlike the diesel, the 392 will only be available on the highest of trims. It will be purchased mostly by collectors and promptly put to storage.
392 won't come out in gladiator. Atleast not right away.
@@HiPlains1 bullshit.
392 makes sense in the Mojave Gladiator.
@@HiPlains1 I have a 392 jl and I use it. No storage needed. I'm waiting for the gladiator so I can do a trade in.
For that price I’ll get a power wagon.
No kidding. These jeep prices are out of control
100%
Highly agree. 👍🏻
Brand new loaded PW's are $55k'ish. Much better choice
Wait til that 392 gets released. 20k upcharge
High cost / added complexity / expensive maintenance / expensive repairs / lower tow rating / higher weight penalty off-road / what’s not to like?
Newer diesels are not worth the cost. Girlfriend's 2021 JL Sport S is soft top, KO2s in 255/75R17 C and aluminum skid plate with the 2.0L non hybrid. She just drove from EC WI to KY yesterday and pulled a bit over 22 MPGs.
What’s the point in a diesel option if it reduces towing/payload capacity?
Better mpg i think
@@aulyando1645 but would take years to make up the money you spent on the engine, its a bad deal all around
Torque. Not MPG. If you’re getting into the Diesel for fuel economy think again. It will take quite some time for it to pay for itself on MPG alone.
@@kidamere2408 It's not the money. It's driving in secluded places where there aren't as many fuel stations.
Fuel range and torque. That said I'm disappointed with the payload and towing numbers too. Diesel fuel economy makes it ideal for overlanding. Payload rating makes it a poor choice for overlanding.
I wish they would cut the crap, put the 5.7 Hemi in the gladiator and be done with it. With 900 pounds payload you get your family in it and you don’t have room for your over weight dog. I really do like the gladiator but those numbers are not worth the 6k. For 66k you could get a fully loaded Ram Rebel, or a Ram 2500 with a Cummins.
I agree, the 5.7 should be available across the wrangler range not as a hot rod like the 6.2 but as an everyday hauler. It doesn’t have to be that expensive.
@@graemelliott3942 I think they dont want them eating into the Ram 1500 sales.
@@Martin_from_SC good point!
Could also get a real car that doesnt make one look like they have a small penis
what do you think the price would be for the hemi? and the payload rating wouldnt change at all. the ecodiesel only weighs 5lbs more than the 5.7l.
Jeeez. Paying $66k for a Chrysler product that isn’t named Viper... 🤯
Actually a Maserati made product under the completely different FCA
Welcome to options and inflation
I mean… the Viper was twice or triple times the price of this…
@@jonlosito2004 The Viper also delivered on what sports cars do, go fast. This isnt a truck, its a corolla with more storage.
Or a SRT
From now on when I turn my vehicles off I'm saying I am putting them on pause.
Remember to put it on rewind before selling it.
So I just did a “Build and Price” on a Chevy Colorado....
We just bought one. Z71 crew cab diesel. Might get here this week. I used the review Andre and mr truck did a while back as a guide. So I know they know about it!
I had a 2016 diesel Colorado. Great truck with great fuel mileage!
Not the same truck.
Color matched top would be another $2500 and color matched fenders is another $695
Has my gladiator rubicon diesel for 2 months now. Perfect machine. I average 29 mpg at sea level with 35 inch tires.
Hard to burn fuel when you’re sitting at the repair shop lol
@@kitchentrout5867 that’s so cute. I have a gladiator and wrangler diesel and have had wrangler for 2 years and the gladiator for 1 year. Combined mileage of 30,000 miles. I have not had one issue. Not one. The only thing I could complain about the diesel is when it goes thru the cleaning cycle of the exhaust, you must drive it hard and try to let it finish it cycle before turning it off or parking in your garage.
Andre keeps saying this is the only diesel available on a midsize truck. Diesel is also available on a Colorado and you can loaded Bison ZR2 for $15000 less than that Jeep, with more pay load and better seats
Do doors and top come off? Not to mention the jeep community And way worse resale value than the jeep so it cost u thousands more in the long run to own a Chevy.
But cant tow as much
@@chadhanson4369 Resale on the bison and ZR2 is great.... and you can have more than 900 lbs of payload.
The diesel and the 3.8 are getting axed after this year
@@chadhanson4369 resale on any jeep is horrible! Jeep is surviving purely off being the only overlanding manufacturer and the history of their name which is honestly actually a farce because "jeep" was a joint project from Willys, Ford, and Bantam.
Jeep was actually an acronym that later became a brand name to make money off the lore of the vehicle through WWII.
Embarrassing payload.
I believe it’s due to an inability to adequately cool the engine without changing the styling of the grill.
Payload and towing is sad
Garbage.... I can't believe it.
Soooo 392 gladiator in the future!? Hahaha
You put four people in it and you're pretty much fully loaded. That's ridiculous!
As for adequate cooling etc... seems odd.
A 1980s Land Rover was available with 1500KG payload and 3500KG towing at the same time (4000kg towing with a bit of jumping through hoops) and engines back then were at best asthmatic, the brakes were a bit interesting too. Full time 4x4 though. We seem to be heading backwards! OK they didn't have heated seats back then and they do smoke a bit, overall fuel economy hasn't really changed - my Defender is getting 30MPG (UK gallons, so that's 25 freedom MPG).
It has less payload than my 2010 Hyundai Santa Fe 😂
70k and you get to hold your hood up with a stick. 🤔
I don't think it had a soft open tailgate either. Ridiculous
@@kurtgurkan9974 it does for Canadians probably
Yep, and like my 1980 CJ-7, it will never fail. Unlike gas struts.
@@CarlosGarcia-ox7dm I’ll take a stick any day, heck place a pillow between the hood and windshield to enable complete access to the engine bay.
@@americansmark you do realize that’s so you can open the hood all the way
@10:00 that metal bar is like 40mm from the top of his head...looks like it’d cave the top of your skull in when you go over a big bump!?!?
Also: “it’s a pretty premium place to be”...as we’re looking at painted sheetmetal interior on the roof.
That metal bar is a plastic sound bar, you twit.
Funny thing is the gladiator actually has the same cabin space as a 2 door wrangler. There is no ammentities in the wrangler or gladiator either. Going to have to step that game up when the bronco comes out with power seats, heated and cooled, heated steering wheel, power mirrors etc.
Ridiculous to pay 50k+ for a jeep and have the options of a 90s Subaru brat.
What car makers are doing is pricing their most wanted products for prices almost nobody can afford so it justifies the ridiculous prices they are asking for their entry level cars.
It’s gotten out of hand. A lot of it is because of all the tech in these things now. People expect to basically have an iPhone that they can drive. Then if you want to buy a base model without all the tech and want to modify it like adding new suspension, wheels, lockers, tune etc then they will try to void your warranty unless you pay the dealer an insane amount to do it all.
@@gerhardschulzy not only are they making more money on the cars themselves but they’re making more money on the financing. The longer the term the higher the interest rate is. A lot of car manufacturers have their own finance companies too. They’ve worked up the perfect scheme.
Great video as always guys. I hope Jeep reads the comment sections so they know what the average buyer has to say about their product. I say, that thing is way too expensive and won't sell like Jeep thinks it will.
People pay stupid for Jeeps. I hope the god they don't do some 96 month term. Allot are going to 8 year loans. Just insanity.
now that the 392 wrangler is confirmed...
hard pass on this.
That thing is going to be very pricey.
......v8 gladiator
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 _Imagine_
@@bodyoftruth7766 please stop whining, living in Europe, we have to pay nearly the DOUBLE amount of what you pay for in the States.
@@wodanowitz It's not our fault you good people keep supporting Marxists.
OUCH i spent $10k less on my loaded up power wagon!
5:27 "only mid size truck offering a diesel" The Colorado had this going for it a couple years back with the 2.8 Duramax
Seems like the colorado with a diesel beats this still...
Come on Andre......forgetting about the Colorado? Rookie mistake........and $66k for a FIAT diesel? NFW!!!!! Get a Colorado Bison for around 50k.....
Andre has been waiting for this truck since he was born.
That is a whole lot of money for a vehicle that is less capable in almost every way.
Also you forget about the Colorado/canyon? That still has a diesel
Gladiators are all expensive. Life style truck or whatever they call it. Even the base models are expensive. People don't by these for capability that's for sure. Its more of a statement or image builder. Doubt many will ever go off road..
Imagine paying more for a engine that’s less reliable
Yeah
This engine hasn’t been around long enough to determine it’s reliability. Keep in mind this is not the same motor that was in the Ram’s/Grand Cherokee’s etc. I can say, as an owner of a JTRD, that this motor is amazing so far. Yes, I’ve only put 500 miles on it to date, so i can’t speak to long term, but as of today I absolutely LOVE the torque. 8th gear uphill on about a 3% grade at 70 MPH no problem.
Nate Johnson it is the same motor and they are extremely problematic. They are Italian made diesels. They are poorly made
Not only that you get less payload and towing to.
@@atvrepairsandmore2482 that's not what i wanted to hear :(
0:12, 5:27 Andre, how could you have forgotten about the GM twins with the 2.8 Duramax that have been around since the 2016 model year?! To make up for this you guys will have to do a head-to-head comparison of the Gladiator Rubicon EcoD and the Colorado ZR2 Duramax. :)
I think the thin air in Co.is getting to him. 😀 And he is the numbers / specs guru at TFL.
People: we want a jeep truck with a diesel!
FCA: ok here, 60k tho
People: way too expensive I'm not buying it!
Every damn time lol. Reminds me of how people say they want the stripped down version of trucks, but never buy them.
Ya funny how people say that a diesel is all is going to cost way more because of the emissions crap and the insides must be stronger
Great comment. The ones complaining are the reviewers and enthusiasts yet they are only 1% of the market. And rarely buy the car they cry to the manufactures to make.
It’s all relative, isn’t it? A stripped down work truck these days would have been pretty nice 10 years ago, even for the current prices they’re going for, but no one wants to buy them. People only want the nice trims, but then complain that they’re too expensive. People can’t live without their Apple CarPlay and heated seats. I’m not saying this is the consumer’s fault, a lot of these perceptions are set that way on purpose by these manufacturers. But that’s the reality we live in.
@@williamchen3789as a Nissan Frontier owner I beg to differ.
As a Nissan Frontier owner I beg to differ.
The Gladiator diesel used to be my dream truck until I heard $66K
Yeah but its because its on the Rubicon. Luckily its available on lower trims but it will still be pricey being the option itself is over 5K. I think half that cost is for all the emissions and the DEF etc that is required to clean it up. And it runs clean. Could not see any smoke when he revved it up. For me, all that elaborate emissions systems just adds to problems down the road. EPA pretty much killed diesels in the US.
At least it’s still in your dreams.
@@V10PDTDI I owned a Ford Ranger in the Fiji Islands for about 3 years when I lived there. Had the 3.2 5 cylinder diesel. Amazing truck. No DEF or any of that BS.
I just bought one gas engine. With a 6 inch lift on 40s for 42,000
@@chrissuggs8521 we need pics!
$66,000 wow! And that does not include destination fees markup from the dealer state tax. Well over $70,000 for that jeep
Just had a rental Tacoma TRD Pro for yesterday driving from Phoenix to Colorado Springs helping my brother move and as a diehard Chevy fan I was blown away and just about converted. With the two of us, 300 lbs payload and towing a 04 Toyota Matrix packed with probably another 600 lbs Payload we averaged 13 mpg over 845 miles driving the most direct route through the thick of the mountains. The truck and I never seemed to agree what gear it should be in but it never lacked for power to get up hills at speed, we could easily pull out and pass and it is the most comfortable vehicle this USMC Infantry Vet with my torn up back and knees has ever road tripped in! Put a diesel in that and I’d have to take my bow tie off for good AND it’d still be way under $66k
Also a manual...diesel and a manual
Wake me up when they finally put a Hemi in it.
5.7 without start stop technology, without cylinder deactivation and updated lifters.
@@zelenizub2036 yeah a 5.7 in the Wrangler too
My 2016 Scion IM can haul 900 pounds.
Drove a 2020 Sport model with the 3.6 and it was doing 22mpg on a long trip. Very impressive considering that I have done the same trip on a 2020 Tacoma Sport 4wd and it did 19mpg. The price is the only reason the gladiator does not sell, it is a really good driving truck. That being said both the tacoma and gladiator drift a bit on the highway so constant steering correction is needed . The 8 speed transmission shifts like butter compared to the tacoma. Tfl really makes their viewers more critical of whats out there. Lol
"the only reason" lol, a chrystler products only reason is price, lol.
5:21 What about the Chevrolet Colorado with the 2.8L Duramax Diesel?
The price is nuts. Still, it's a cool truck. If I'm gonna spend that much on a Jeep it's gonna be the 392 Wrangler and pass on the truck features.
392 Wrangler is going to be just as expensive. Definitely will only be in the highest of trims. They only doing that since Ford took it up a few notches with the bronco launch. 392 will probably cost 70K when the dust settles. If the 2.7 bronco is reliable, Jeep will have a great need to move to a next generation Jeep much sooner then they thought. The 392 decision didn't just happen. They have been sitting on it. Bronco was the reason they announced that now. You better believe it.
Chevy Colorado has a diesel option.
And it cant even tow as much as the jeep gas. How sad is that
One Ton Ram Diesel Price for a Toy Truck !!!🤣😂🤣🤮
My 2014 Ram 3500 Laramie ctd 4x4 aisin, with every option except sunroof was 66,420 new. This is just crazy.
Dodge did same thing with the dakota with no luxury to it and no package options such as off road , my 2005 dakota Laramie is bland as hell is a 4x4 with no skid plates at all. Dodge has lost there mind
You’re paying extra for that legendary Fiat diesel reliability though...
@@conduit242 LOL
66k? For an uncomfortable freaking Jeep? Lol. No damn way.
For a little more you can drive a new landcruiser that will last 50 years. This thing will be falling apart in 5.
66k midsize what’s Jeep smoking no wonder the gladiator is loaded down at the car lots
But its a Jaheeeeeep.......
Reveiws like this blind people to the fact that you can get a nice one for $45k, or barebones for $35k
@@Ulfstigandr Just think for a moment.......whenever manufacturers come out with something big, they put in the most expensive vehicle possible and to make sure the vehicle is loaded, they don't offer it in a cheap model. GM did that with the diesel engine in their mid size pickups.
@@richarde.6750 your not wrong, the Rubi 392 is likely going to be 80k for at least the first few years. But his initial comment was about the gladiator in general i think, refering to dealer stock like that. For the most part what a dealer will have on hand will average to about $50k, the bulk of wrangler and im sure gladiator sales tend to be up-optioned sport s models.
@@Ulfstigandr Most everyone was waiting for the diesel. They will pay to have the diesel and be the first on the block. Poor people will have to wait.
The jeep gladiator Rubicon diesel is the best 4 x 4 truck I have ever driven ever and I have driven dodge Toyota and General Motors and by far this jeep diesel gladiator put all of them to shame love it what a great truck
Do you hear that in the distance? That emptiness is the sound of no one surprised - specifically regarding the mother-loving price.
Oh, and thank you Jeep, for making a more capable mid-size truck and reducing its range by 75-100 miles, reducing its towing capability, and making sure that 4-5 people and a stop at Snarfs Sandwiches will max out it’s 899lb payload capacity. Good thinking (sarcasm), guys!!!
But at least Andre helped us to understand that no one else in mid-size offers a Diesel engine. . . 2.8L Duramax glares from across the room.
This is not a good video for Sunday, guys. So wishing we could have had the wonderful Sunday morning coffee and “No Pavement Needed” way to start the day.
Il thought that GM was stopping production of the 2.8L Duramax??
Snarfs, lol. Haven't heard the boys mention that place in a long time. Maybe they got sick of it being unfindable by any manufacturer's navigation system.
@@BROON71 But there are still brand new diesel Colorados on the lots. A few weeks difference in production date doesn't make much difference to me, as long as it's got a warranty.
Looks like 0 working room. Repairs are going to be very, very expensive
Yes they are. That is when Chrysler can even get parts.
You can get a Land Rover Defender for less... oh wait, you did already. Kind of.
Already more miles than the defender!
If the seat went back any further and you hit a bump you'd be smashing your head.
My zr2 duramax is a midsize with a diesel. Delete and tune took me to 430tq and 229 hp...for substantially less cost. Really nice truck though. I also get 530 miles per tank.
The Gladiator needs the 392 V8!
$66,000 for that red Wrangler Gladiator EcoDiesel? No wonder it’s called a ruby con.
Can't wait for the 392 gladiator, we all know its only a matter of time
Yesh... that'll be 80 grand
What about the Colorado/Canyon Duramax? Forget about them?
Chrysler’s quality is pretty questionable these days, I wouldn’t buy it
I want to hear Tommy's impression and comparison of it from a Jeep fans point of view.
Who needs payload when the vast majority are gonna be mall crawling, shopping for cloths and groceries.😂🤣😂
Who goes to the mall anymore? Malls are closing. These type of vehicles days are numbered.
@@jimbeam4111 Umm, the term "mall crawler/ing" is a figure of speech when describing the overall use of an off road vehicle. To put it more simply, most of those aren't going off road at that price until they are well used.
@@ubangiestomp i knew what you meant. My point was with gas and diesel prices projected to hit $6-7 within the next three years, vehicles like this will not sell and for the fools who bought them will see their 65k purchase drop to a value of less than $10,000. “Mall crawling moms” don’t want a jeep they want a Tesla and soon to be Xpeng.
Did you guys never do a diesel super ike maxed out like you said you were going to do in the gas super ike video?
So with the technology today you can only carry 4 guys that weigh 220lbs and a bottle of water. I’m confused.
A truck with less than 900 lbs of payload, is this some sort of joke
I had this engine in my GC trailhawk edition. I miss it. Someone hit me and totaled the truck and I was never able to find another one. Maybe this is why?
Honestly its not worth the money at all , when your spending that kinda dough, start looking at 2500 series trucks frfr
The Rubicon is a purpose built truck not a hauler....
@@bradlaflamme6127 i can find a better purpose for 60k plus. An a better off road vehicle under 60k
@@cecilotto504 I agree. I do not like what fiat is doing to Chrysler and jeep.... I own 4 jeeps and 2 other mopar vehicles. I have been a lifetime enthusiast for mopar. I bought 1 newer fiat. And never again. But we cannot compare a midsize offroad built truck to the payload of a 3/4 ton. That being said nobody buying this truck really wants a truck it is a fashion statement. Unfortunately. Claiming it is an overland is outlandish. It should be able to fill the seats with people and haul/tow everything for a weekend adventure and not comprise its ability offroad. You do not buy a 4 door truck to put one person in it. The perfect overlander midsize truck jeep built was the comanche it had more payload than today's half ton trucks.
The 2500 series trucks are $75,000 or more!!! And is a full size truck and noisy!! The keep is so much Quieter doesn’t even sound like a dieselThat’s the most amazing part of this gladiator
The Max tow on that Rubicon EcoDiesel is 4500 lbs! A Gladiator Sport with the gas V6 and the Max Tow Package is capable of towing 7650 lbs!
1:35 featuring TFL Helicopters 🚁
Might as well buy a F150 Raptor with few options for that price, much better truck in anyway.
The deal mark them up
Wonder how many people that constantly complain about prices in these vids are actually in the market for a midsize truck? This thing is loaded. Get a gas sport one for 40k if 66k is too much??
Uh my zr2 bison is diesel and it was like 30% less
Interesting, you get a smaller tank that wipes out a lot of the extra range, lower towing, added cost of the Diesel, Diesel Fuel and Urea. It likely takes 300K miles to equalize the upfront and additional incremental costs. In a commercial application, it might make sense?
Canyon, Colorado diesel Andrea? Did you forget those ;)
Everyone does because everyone knows it’s only Toyota and Jeep in the game
Cause those vehicles are horrible lol 😂 I mean Jeep is too but at least it’s a beast off road, and the Tacoma is actually reliable along with the Ranger albeit without a diesel option
GM is phasing out the diesel in those. Plus those diesels were weak and couldn't tow or haul for crap (real world).
Hmm...the poor sales figures of the previous Gladiator will be addressed by sticking in a diesel power-plant and jacking up the price. Did they address the "Re"-froster issue you guys discovered ?
It's nice but for that price I would definitely take a raptor instead
You can get a really nicely loaded Power wagon for that, and other than tight trails i would much rather have the Powerwagon...
The raptor n gladiator is apples to grapefruit comparison. Also keep posted on the cost of slidin that alumiferd into a tree
@@Ulfstigandr They really do peel open like a can. We use F-150's at work and have had several bedsides completely replaced. It would have been a simple repair on a traditional bedside.
Dodge did same thing with the Dakota and priced them more then the 1500 and didnt offer anything for it other then a bland work class interior no real luxury off off road options. They threw this out there with all the bells and whistles super high price and no real use as a truck and wonder why the dakota and this wont do well in the market when you got dodge or just a plain jeep that will serve better and cost less
@@quintili1 an exactly how well you think a jeep pick up would hold up , not no damn time at all
Nice Bell 407 flyover
Did the Colorado and Canyon drop there diesel? I thought they were considered midsized trucks.
Nope, you can go buy one right now. I have an 18 ZR2 diesel and it's been fantastic.
They are next year. I don’t know how people have forgotten about this already, unless you are buying in the next 8 months you should cross the duramax Colorado off your shopping list unless you are buying used.
Are they coming out with a manual transmission ?
Nice vehicle made in the USA. Good resale value as well,
What about the colorado duramax?
How did you get the headliners and spray in Bed liner? Website takes it off
Doesn't Chevy have a mid size truck diesel?
Chevy and GMC. Ford oversees...
What's the big deal with diesel engines? Lately I've been watching videos on trucks with diesel engines and they have a higher torque rating than gas engines but their payload and towing numbers are less. Why would anyone want to pay more for less? As far as workability of the truck goes.
Final price isn’t that bad compared to Australian mid size trucks like some top specs top 70+ but conversion from US dollar to AUD is 90 which be lucky to get base dual cab Toyota Landcruiser ute.
Its already been said but I gotta add on ... the GM Twins would like to have a word with you Andre.
I wish they put the Wrangler on the Gladiator chassis, so that it could tow more. ECODIESEL is the only engine that makes sense in a Jeep.
Sadly, most of those will probably sit on dealer lots for a long time till the price comes down enough, dealers will eventually lower the price significantly just to get Them off the lot. They will makes great used vehicles someday lol.
Is it going to be used for long term test???
So the Chevy Colorado with a 2.8 diesel is not a midsize truck? Is a full size truck?
I am picking up my Orange Crush ZR2 Colorado diesel this Saturday, $46k with gm incentives and some nice options.
With a bigger tank it would be smart for overland, you should have 700mpt not 400.
The Colorado does have a diesel
Will you be covering the new ecodiesel recall on the cp4.2? NHTSA Recall #
23V-263
Is the 2021 Models going to pass the IIHS roll over crash Test? Are those hood scoops , plastic scoops any Functional or forshow?
I love Jeep, I own a TrailHawk and a Cummins Ram, you made a mistake on your claim that Jeep is the only USA Company that makes and/or made a mid size truck with a diesel. Jeep wasn’t not the first in recent years to start a diesel in their mid size new Gladiator.
That title belongs to Chevy (Colorado ZR2 Min-Duramax Turbo Deisel). Which is a very capable mid-size off road truck. Not as many aftermarket options but Chevy did it first.
The sad story here is that Toyota NEVER brought their Hylux Diesel (Tacoma) to the US Market, and further more disappointment Toyota never introduced the International Diesel in the Tundra (I used to be a Master Certified Toyota Technician). Out of all motors companies, Toyota has dropped both its Balls (peeing on itself in the bottom of the market).
JEEP... they along with Chrysler/Mopar have TRULY STEPPED IT UP! The new Rubicon Hybrid with 50mpg is coming soon this quarter (Q1, 2021) and so it the Rubicon 392 (Hemi-V8 with 470HP/470TQ)!!!
Exciting times in the JEEP World... my response to Ford would be, KEEP IT UP! Ford is making Jeep BETTER AND BETTER!
Priced out of that one
How do some people get 32 and others get 22 mpg, what do you have a led foot or something?
Wow, so $66,000 US converts to $86,425 CDN and then we get to add 14% HST (tax) which brings the total to $98,524!
Add a mild lift, 37’s, wheels, a couple bumpers, winch, a few odds and ends and a mildly built Gladiator will be $110,000 CDN!
My dream vehicle is a 392 Gladiator and at these prices it may just be that .... a dream.
Awe dont be too discouraged, I'm sure you could pick up a 3 year old used one for like $50k!
Did the defrosting issue (TFL pointed out) get an update/fixed with this model?