Lossigy 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Battery Review, GFB Pouch Cells!
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Taking a look at the 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 battery from Lossigy. This battery has a similar case than many others we have reviewed; however, I was surprised to find GFB pouch cells inside!
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I was surprised to find pouch cells inside, but they're GFB which has proven to be a great brand! Let me know what you think.
Some shopping info: looking on Amazon for low temp charging protection, Lossigy's "12.8V 200Ah-Max" seems to have it, still at 100A continuous discharge. Their regular 200Ah battery, with no low temp protection, is $45 cheaper than the Max version. The 300Ah model is the cheapest one with 200A continuous discharge. Good video, and good channel too, thanks.
I always thought that 'pouch cells' could be an awesome functional battery if someone could make a secure way to create series/parallel connections with nuts & screws. Honestly, this is the first time I haven't seen a mess of solder all over the tabs. They are well protected under the metal case, well separated by foam sheets- I like it. I thought it might be lighter than AL cased prismatics- who knew? Thanks for the review, the price is reasonable as well.
Renogy 100aH has pouch cells
Great review! I think I will use these for my new off grid home. I appreciate the honest and thorough review!
LithiumSolar
; Great your back with another breakdown! I am going to make a cup of tea and get some popcorn so I can sit down and enjoy this one🙂 Love your videos 👍
Looks Like a VERY Good Setup!!
One "Year" I plan to buy at least 10 of them!
Thanks for the excellent video. Keep up the good work and Stay Safe!
Remarkable build, looks quite good !
Good review... I like the Pouch Cell assembly.
Interesting battery. Nice review and info. Thanks.
Neat different product. thanks for the excellent content!
Very useful. One year later, price on Amazon dropped to $240. Similar reductions for other 100Ah LiFePO4 batteries. Posts from just 2 years ago state prices ~$900.
It's crazy how much the prices have dropped in the past couple of years!
Excellent review,!👍
Hey you did a great review thank you so much. I picked up three. I do have a question you may be able to answer for all of us. Do you know if you can Bluetooth connect ( or connect any other way for that matter) to the type of BMS used in these Lossigy batteries?
Thanks for your work ✌️
Like your very thorough reviews of the newer LithiumFePO4 batteries. Have you or can you do one on the Millertech premium 12v 100ah model . They claim to use grade A cells. How and where is that determined? Thanks!
Thanks for the review. I have the 200ah version.
Same here, I have 7 of the 200Ah Lossigy. In service 8 months and very pleased so far. Paired with a 3000w inverter charger I can run just about anything.
Hi there, I really enjoy all your battery reviews.
Thank you :)
Thank you for the review
25mm squared is just a little bit smaller than 3 gauge wire which is 26.7mm whereas 4 gauge is 21.1 mm squared.
A T Burke
Hey thanks! I'm thinking of buying this one from your sight. Should I leave it on trickle charge or just wait a while and charge it? Thanks. I'm using it as a sump pump back up, but want it for prepping needs too!
Good review, and a very interesting battery setup. My concern is, if one of the pouch cells failed how difficult it would be to get a replacement cell.
I did a super-quick search and don't see them being sold anywhere, so I doubt you'll be able to easily get one. That being said, while it can be serviced, it's highly unlikely someone would actually bust open the case to repair the battery. I don't see that being done for anything other than recycling/salvaging once the battery is spent.
Because this battery is so vastly different than the norm, I'd have to wonder if this demo battery would be truly representative of a like model you would get if ordered from Amazon now.
Of course, they begged him to review it so it will be either custom made or best tested of thousands.
Great video, what is your option on prismatic vs pouch cells? Most of the batteries that I tear down are small fish finder batteries with cylindrical cells but I did teardown a have a cheap 10Ah Amazon battery with pouch cells a couple months ago.
might be a video idea for you. Cylindrical vs Pouch vs Prismatic.
Actually a well built battery. I am still mystified by the apparent inability to add a dollar or two to the price and add low temperature protection.
yep, cant beat 60$ per kwh for some cells from battery hookup.
Yeah I don't know what the deal is... Surely it would only cost pennies to add the sensor and logic chip (if it doesn't already have the chip).
@@pashko90 battery hookup?
@@priestesslucy3299 yes
pouch cells generally offer faster discharge rates , so these could be purchased and used in car audio if u change or remove the bms and only have an active cell balancer.
You need a BMS with lithium batteries that's capable of shutting down the battery in the event of some sort of fault. Additionally, you can't charge this directly with a vehicle alternator. You would need a DC-DC charge controller (Victron makes one).
Good afternoon,
you have some very good videos on doing reviews and you do an awesome job. I was looking into either purchasing the zooms 100ah or the lossigy 100ah. I wanted to get your input on what one would be the best to get or even some other ones available on Amazon. My main use will be in my boat for my trolling motor. Hopefully I can get some good import from you it'll be very useful.
Thanks sir,
Devin!
Id go with the lossigy. They have a decent build quality.
I have 2 Lossigy 200 amp hour versions and they have been really impressive for over 6 months now. Outback VFXR3524 inverter and FX80 charge controller. Plus a Battleborn surge controller, as I run the batteries down to where the inverter shuts down once or twice week at night. It runs a 15 amp chop saw no problem. The batteries don't even get warm.
Did you ever get one for your trolling motor. Looking for a battery to power a 36v Minn Kota in Florida elements and salt water.
Very cool!
I see that this battery weighs 25 pounds. How does it stack up weight wise with the aluminum prismatic 100 amp hour batteries? Excellent video!
Oh! Also, will the components make the battery susceptible to an EMP? Thanks!
I have a pre-made from AliExpress that used those same kind of cells but they were 60 amp hour but I had one cell that was bad when I took it out it was floppy and soft where is the others were firm
nice find
I had to use longer bolts when I was stacking connections
Any updates I'm using the 200ah version any added advice would be great.
Forgive me in advance if this was already addressed in the video or in other comments. Where did you get the screen for display of output? Also, I will gladly always use your links to the products. Thank you in advance for this awesome learning and demo'ing.
This question gets asked a lot so I made an entire video on the topic 🙂
th-cam.com/video/wKTXJidnfl4/w-d-xo.html
Do think Miller Tech will send you a battery so you can break it down and compare to other builds
I have a tracker 100 lithium marine battery and was wondering if I could Run this in Parallel with it?
I bought 2 Lossigy batteries from Amazon last December, but now they say they won't ship to my address.I want to get more, and I saw that one manufacturer on Amazon said if you mix brands, make sure you use batteries with the same brand of BMS. I am having great difficulty determining the BMS brands used in different LiFePo batteries. If the ratings are the same, does it really matter?
I have that battery and it is not keeping the charge, is all dead? ( it stays in 12.90v and before it used to keep 13.25v, as soon I turn off the charger it will drop to 12.9v)
Question...Would this be a good battery for a kayak with a trolling motor to use the entire day? Also is there a certain charger you would recommend for this?
I have this exact same battery on my kayak for my trolling motor and I have had zero issues and I using run my trolling motor on and off for 6 or 8 hours. I fish a lot of kayak fishing tournaments with mine. I’ve had it for a year and so far it’s been great.
What since wave low frequency inverter can be connected my bonded house power panel
Hi
I was wondering if you could point me to instructions for building a 48v battery from 16 lifepo4 31AH pouch cells. Each pouch is 10 cm wide x 27 cm long x 1 cm deep; there is a 2 cm extension on each end of the pouch (making it a total of 31 cm long) plus a 2 cm tab on each end (presumably for connecting to it electronically). I also have a xiaoxiang BMS (SP16S020 16 S 100A lifepo4 3.2v uart common port with balance) which I believe allows me to control the bms through bluetooth from my android phone.
My biggest challenge (at least at the start) is to determine what hardware I need to compress the cells together and connect the cells together. Naively, I was thinking about getting two aluminum plates 34.5 cm x 5 cm x 16 cm and some 20 cm bolts and nuts to go with them that I could place the pouches between. But I also need hardware to connect the leads and I have no idea where to start looking for any of this. Any thoughts? Can you point me to any manuals or diy instructions to help me out?
Thanks . . .
Phil
Not that I would dig into one of these but could somebody add a low temperature switch in series with the high temperature switch and be protected both ways?
Yeah, I don't see why not, might be tough finding a 0c snap switch though. Most cutoff switches are for high temp.
Does anybody know where to get those pouch cell holders from???
same battery of tablet or phone but build in 12v lifepo4
I use this for my trolling motor and my Newport X Series 55lb thrust fried after about 5 months, I now have a MinnKota and it states "Power Output
Lithium Batteries maintain higher voltages for longer. Motors engineered to make the most of flooded lead acid batteries can be damaged by the higher power output. To prevent this damage when using Lithium batteries you should not run your motor at its highest speeds, staying at 85%/Speed 8.5 or lower." Is this why my Newport fried and is there a fix for this? THank you for any input on this you can offer.
Could you please tell what brand LED display you use. Thanks.
I have an entire video on that topic, the question gets asked a lot lol th-cam.com/video/wKTXJidnfl4/w-d-xo.html
25mm is between 3awg and 4awg
25mm copper is what we in the UK use as standard for 100a AC domestic service cables at 230v , that's a constant rating if that helps.
IT IS AMAZING HOW AFTER A REVIEW THE PRICE GOES UP TO 379.00
Purchased this battery and am interested in what fully charged voltage should look like. I notice in your video it is showing 14.28v at fully charged... Can't seem to get mine past about 13.5v using 14.6v charger designed for LifePO4 batteries.
It's possible your batteries aren't balanced. Have you tried leaving it on the charger for several days to allow balancing to occur?
@@LithiumSolar thanks for the reply! I just have the one Lossigy for now but after leaving the charger on overnight, it jumped up to 14.3 in the morning. After some discharge testing with the Victron smart shunt, it appears that a very small fraction of the capacity lies between 14.3 and 13.5. It does recharge appropriately now as well, so maybe the cells just needed to balance out.
I'm in Australia and nearly every time a video is released on what ever lithium battery they are unavailable.
If a link is provided unavailable.
Google search all unavailable.
It would be nice to see something current and available.
Have you tried asking solar videographers who are in Australia where to get batteries etc. ? Also, here in the US it's hard to find LiFePo batteries because everyone is buying them up so fast.
Serial number... Could that battery have been on December 16, 2021?
A T Burke
Hmmm, could be. Battery #95 made on Dec 16 2021.
How is not having low temp charging protection fine? I live in North Dakota and am looking for batteries for a van camper. It gets super cold here.
It's fine because not everyone lives in North Dakota. If you live in a cold climate, I would definitely look for one that has low-temp charging protection.
There are other means to keep battery temp from getting low: external warmers, wrapping in Quality, thin insulation, insulating the compartment where they are kept, ….
Saw a Chins version in the forums that has gone to pouches. Evidently prismatics are getting scarce
I was reading through that thread too. The battery is identical to mine and makes me wonder if they're the same manufacturer.
@@LithiumSolar all the evidence suggests that they, zooms, ampere time, and several others are all using the same OEM. Maybe the specs differ slightly on some components, but it certainly appears the production lines are shared
I think I'll pass on pouch batts. Litime has a mini with 16 pouch batts and I think more parts = more problems. I had a chance to get USBtime 100AH pro version which has a kick ass BMS but now they replaced it with a 35lb 110AH. I know like their 95AH at are grade B cells 80% left in the tank. No thanks. I got lucky with the pro version. Now I got Bunfloe in my cart with low temp, not that I really care. However, It matches the time cells and I don't even know if you can mix pouch cells in series or parallel. Anyways this is my two cents, don't be the first to try out some random cell battery pack. Their is a reason why most cells are the same. When something is done right it can be copied over and over. Hell, It now cost more to build your own pack. lol
Are the pouch cells lighter per amp hour?
they are the same chemistry but in foil packets. Not sure if the difference is significant but yes they are lighter
does anyone have an idea why lifepo4 pouch is not popular vs prismatic?
more failure chemical issues than prismatic
Look like a nice battery, I'd bite except for waiting on the delivery of 32x 280AH batteries from China!
What was the cost and who was the seller? I’m very interested in getting some from a reputable seller
did the screws inside the battery have locktite on them?
No
@@LithiumSolar so not suited for an RV environment.
So why if the cells say 160 amp hours why are you only getting 104
They're 160Wh (watt-hours). You divide that by the nominal voltage 3.2V to get the rated amp hours. 160Wh / 3.2V = 50Ah.
Purchased 2 x 150ah Liitokala from Aliexpress and look exactly the same. First capacity was 120ah and the BSM low voltage protection didn't cut off so cut it open and Pouch cells. Fitted a Daly 100A but sadly can't top balance it. Cell pack one runs away once hits 3.5v.
Second battery is 97ah but the BMS low voltage disconnect at least. Internal build isn't as good as yours and the BMS is a lot smaller and on the top.
£350 for 220ah is still cheap though
Wow, I hope you got your money back...! I have a whole video on why to NOT buy from Liitokala... :/
@@LithiumSolar their last reply yesterday when I stated the second battery, despite fully recharged to 14.6v then multiple capacity tests which failed to exceed 98ah so I want the matter sorted.
*quote, Dear customer, Our batteries are 100% genuine and the capacity also matches the description. It takes a long time to detect the battery capacity through three steps, and it takes a long time (1 full charge, 2 recharges, 3 charges) to detect the real capacity of the battery.
The test results will be affected by test conditions (such as temperature, line loss, test equipment, test parameters, etc.), please conduct multiple tests and average the results to reduce deviation. Thank you for your understanding!
@No Limits Racing NLR In short, “your Warranty was a ‘gesture’ and not real” ….
Does the 200AH Lossigy use pouch cells?
Good question I have one and I hooked it up to my alternator for a while and can't get it charged past 14.2v but side of battery says 14.8v charge voltage
@@RollingThunder85 are you using a DC-DC charge controller between the batt & Alt ? If not, there’s the reason ….
Is this battery a drop in replacement?
A replacement for what? A lead-acid battery?
Can it be used for car audio?
I don't see why not. You cannot connect it directly to the car's battery or the alternator though. You have to use a DC-DC charge controller for LiFePO4 in between.
Die ist ja sogut komplett baugleich, also innen wie außen mit der Enyoy-Bot - 100 Ah LiFePO4.
Any one use these for a. Golf cart ??
If they were bugging you to test their battery like that. Don't you think that's a special built battery? And you should go by a random battery to compared to that 1 from the same company.
No, I don't think that. Why would you think that?
$625 (there is a $35 coupon) for the 200 ah. Nice price! Now if I can only win the 12v cooler from Hobotech.
That depth-of-discharge chart - I think that's purposefully misleading. 100% would be one full cycle, 33% would be three to a full cycle - they're calling each of those a cycle and hoping no one will notice. 8,000 at a third total discharge = 2,666 cycles measured in the usual way.
I think you're mis-understanding. A "cycle" is a discharge event followed by a charge event. A "cycle" does not define the depth of discharge. You could take a 100Ah battery, use 5Ah from it, then recharge it. That's one "cycle" and is why we typically specify depth of discharge in addition to cycle counts.
It's my understanding that when talking about cycle life, a cycle is the equivalent of a full discharge (to whatever safe level based on the chemistry) and recharge.
Everything I've seen on LiFePo4 cells has 2500-3500 cycle life specified - this battery's documentation says up to 8000? Doing the math like I did above makes it fit with the usual cycle life specs for that chemistry.
Case says lithium iron !!!
Yes, It's LiFePO4. I don't understand what you're getting at?
@@LithiumSolar he thinks that it should state “ion” instead of “iron”.
@MauiMotionsports: It is Lithium iron phosphate battery and not Lithium-ion one
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I wish you reviewed batteries that weren't sent to you by the manufacturer. Like here, review this maliciously assembled battery. Then, not produce them all with that same attention to detail. I'm not saying this is what happens, but who would know?
Sure, I'd love to review batteries that weren't sent to me by the manufacturer. Would you like to send me one or provide the finances to purchase some?
🤓✌🖖👌👍😎
You have nothing bad to say about the battery? But you seemed concerned about the loose positive bolt? Come on!
Because all it takes is a $0.02 washer to fix that "problem". It's hardly even worth noting, but chose to include it because these reviews are intended to be completely open and honest.
Are any reviews unsolicited by the company? Because I trust zero from this review.
Yes, I do have some that are not sponsored, such as the Zooms and first SOK video.
Please, for the love of god and the sake of humanity, even though I haven't watched the full video just yet,
PLEASE SOMEONE TELL HIM THAT HE CAN USE A JOULE THIEF CIRCUIT TO BOOST THE ENERY, VOLTAGE AND AMPS COMING OUT OF THIS MFKING SOLAR PANEL TO MORE THAN 12 VOLTS AND CAN DO UP TO 5 AMPS FOR IT
I see how you got your name .
@@onthelake9554 I'm who 'and what' I'm
also, you are fire
your vids are quite good
but in some vain of me
can you please use a solar panel and a joule thief circuit to drive it's 5v to the designated 12v necessary for the battery
and some sort of MPPT or PWM voltage regulator ?
@@crazycuber7329 Yeah sure , will have it up sometime next week .
@@onthelake9554 thank you
that's really great to know ❤️❤️
interesting about the low cut off. In an answer to this question on Amazon (your link) the representative says the following (implying that there is a low temp cut off): Does the BMS automatically prevent low temperature charging?
Answer:Dear customers, thank you for your question. Our battery working environment is as follows:
Operating temperature range
Charge: 32℉--113℉
Discharge: -4℉--140℉
Storage temperature: 10℉-122℉
Charging state: low temperature cut-off is 32 ° F, high temperature cut-off is 113 ° F
Discharge state: low temperature cut-off is - 4 ° F, high temperature cut-off is 140 ° F
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By Junson Bty store SELLER on March 3, 2021
Interesting. I see the question and answer you're referring to. Not sure how it could measure any of those temperatures if the only sensor on the BMS is a thermal switch at 75C (and thus can only operate at that temperature). Perhaps meaning of "low-temp cutoff" is lost in translation...
@@LithiumSolar Chinglish. The seller ignored the simple question and threw back information on ENVIRONMENT, which where the battery is approved to operate, and CONTROL, which means the battery does not maintain that environment, the BMS does not maintain it, the user is left to do the job.
This kind of misdirection is commonly taught as a sales tactic, when you don't want to lie, but the truth would quash your sale.