Techniques need to cross a power threshold in JKA kumite, requiring a more rooted stance when executing them. Sport karate - namely WKF - plays out almost like fencing. The jump to telegraph less movement and be able to burst out at full speed to get the touch of the glove. Watch some Kendo vs Olympics fencing, the difference is similar to traditional kumite and wkf kumite
I adore this well ballanced Kamae bewteen defence and offence of the Traditional J.K.A. competitors as compared with the artificial Kamae of the W.K.F. competitors. This is a martial art with no concessions towards spectacle.
I think some of you are missing my point. And I'm not being facetious. I think it would be interesting to see how each of the different arts would fair in in their strategies of distance, timing, and the application of control tactics. How would the Japanese and or Okinawan or Kyokushin deal with the many different kicks of the Korean arts. Hope to hear some positive feedback.
Сам я поклонник Киокушинкай и Кудо, но мне очень понравился этот поединок. Невероятная скорость, экономичность движений и главное сдерживают эмоции и не визжат, как поросята при малейшем движении. Даже не заметил времени как прошел поединок, скажу это настоящие мастера.
Both are kick punch arts (sport), they should show how each would fight the other. You see this open point competition ( sport), but it would display how each would strategize the other art. I’m talking about high level artists not the everyday monthly tourneys. I’m not being a smart ass I have over 50 years in my art of Shotokan and I know what it is like to fight with other styles. All are to be respected.
Kyokushin is great but Shotokan is about distancing management, precision and power. So you don't need to expose yourself to a crazy exchange just to make the crowd happy, it is not the point of Shotokan competition. You have to be patient, find the right timing to connect a powerfull blow that is enough to finish the fight. In competition, we have to control the strikes to the head to avoid brain damage but the judges decides if the technique was good enough to score a Ippon. Ippon in JKA represents Knockout. For untrained eyes it can be confuse but for experienced praticioners is possible to indentify a controlled technique that could end the fight if it was delivered with the intention of knockout.
@@Philmoscowitz It is called Kickboxing. We can fight in Kickboxing If we want, don't need to change Karate tournament rules, just add some boxing cross training.
@@TiagoPortas I disagree. If you mostly train for tournaments where the referee breaks up the fight after every point, then that's the situation you're training for, not for an actual fight. Now of course MMA and Kick Boxing style tournaments are not real fights, but they're much closer to them than what we have in Karate today.
@@Philmoscowitz that's why i said to add some boxing cross training. You think in Karate we train with a referee in the dojo stoping the sparring all the time? Of course not, we train contínuos sparring, Zanshin (contínuos mind) is a Very important principle in Karate and even in competition you have to be aware all the time because the fight only stop when judge say Yame, otherwise you have to keep fighting. In Karate we have the best sense of timing, distancing management and foot work that are Very usefull for Full contact fights.
This point sparring is really silly. It also breeds bad habits that won't serve you well in a real fight. The JKA should adopt the MMA model of timed rounds. They could still keep this point sparring system as a stepping stone to full contact.
Those guys are hitting and it’s obvious a point is not awarded unless it is capable of causing damage and did in this contest, I disagree of breeding any bad habits, it actually causes supreme defense in order not to get hit have a point given to the opponent, obviously you have never entered the ring
@@kennethrogers1129 I'm afraid it's not always obvious when a point has been scored. This is one of the big secrets about JKA tournaments (actually, all Karate tournaments that use point sparring). And I have been in the ring many times. I'm speaking as someone who's done JKA Karate for more than 3 decades.
Questo è vero KARATE. Il kyokushin è la rovina della tradizione e dello spirito giapponese. il 90%delle tecniche sono inutili in quanto portate al corpo. Serve solo a fare spettacolo e a far vedere che ci si picchia come in una rissa tra ubriaconi. Stesso cosa la ridicola e barbara MMA. Il duello onorevole è tutt altra cosa. Lo spirito del Karate è il massimo grado di sviluppo dello spirito giapponese che tende all'essenza delle cose. Niente show, niente circo, solo VERO combattimento. Un pugno, al volto. Solo questo conta in un vero combattimento. Tutto il resto sono chiacchere. Il karate non è una rissa tra barboni, Il Karate è un duello con regole, onore e disciplina. Non devo uccidere l'avversario né mandarlo all'ospedale. Devo esprimere la tecnica attraverso il controllo e il kime. Il Karate è l'arte di non combattere, anzi è l'arte di vincere senza combattere. Chi capisce questo coglie l'essenza. Nessun MMA nessun Kyokushin ha la benché minima speranza di vincere contro uno Shotokan tradizionale. È spacciato. OSS
Arigato, Nihon Karatedo Kyokai. That's the karate I had been striving for. Power (precision and speed) and control.
Control😂
They seem butchers ahahaha
Anyway I like it
@@ginoblinders1980 It's not the 'folk dance' people say it is.
@@pallan7733come “dance”, lol
@@ginoblinders1980 There is control. Otherwise, it would be a lot bloodier and wouldn't last as long.
Its all about control ,speed and reverse punch ,i woul modify it by must have kicks every 30 seconds or loose points
Superb! Oss!! Excellent final.
Well done: BOTH of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Que buen combate, sin duda la velocidad y técnica de los dos competidores es digna de admiración 🤓👏🏻
Best Karate fighting Oldschool as in my old young times
I use to do this in my Karate days and how come these fighters does not have on the small hand gloves for their striking safety? 😮
Pads to not bring safety they bring greater loss of control.
They don't use gloves in the All Japan Championship
凄まじい素手の顔面ありの協会空手。昔は当てられて
頭がガクッとなった試合もあったとか。空手協会から中達也みたいな人が出るわけだ。
Excellent!!!!! Congratulations to both!!
Excellent!!!!!
For what???
Djako zuki all time??? Ha,ha,ha.
Neither of them performed a single foot technique.
Top muito bom adorei
so good
突きの速さが素晴らしいです。空手の流派は千差万別で試合自体を否定する流派も存在します。
Massa
What is the technical reason why they jump much less than in sport karate?
Because this is traditional karate kumite, this is not WKF.
Techniques need to cross a power threshold in JKA kumite, requiring a more rooted stance when executing them. Sport karate - namely WKF - plays out almost like fencing. The jump to telegraph less movement and be able to burst out at full speed to get the touch of the glove. Watch some Kendo vs Olympics fencing, the difference is similar to traditional kumite and wkf kumite
I adore this well ballanced Kamae bewteen defence and offence of the Traditional J.K.A. competitors as compared with the artificial Kamae of the W.K.F. competitors. This is a martial art with no concessions towards spectacle.
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L'ippon shobu est la compétition qui se rapproche le plus du vrai karaté, dommage que dans ce combat l'arbitre ne soit pas à la hauteur.
When I watch MMA or boxing, I never laugh. But when I watch karate, I can't help it :). Why?
shotokan alla perfezione
Jones Barbara Hall Cynthia Rodriguez Melissa
kumite real, no como la mierda de wkf
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Disappointing. No blocking, just straight punch. No kicks.
Too much movies.
Smith Michelle Taylor Ronald Garcia Michael
I think some of you are missing my point. And I'm not being facetious. I think it would be interesting to see how each of the different arts would fair in in their strategies of distance, timing, and the application of control tactics. How would the Japanese and or Okinawan or Kyokushin deal with the many different kicks of the Korean arts. Hope to hear some positive feedback.
Davis Jennifer Williams Joseph Johnson Frank
Wilson Cynthia White Patricia Wilson Betty
Boring. Where are the kicks? Nothing but straight & reverse punch. Tough men though.
Сам я поклонник Киокушинкай и Кудо, но мне очень понравился этот поединок. Невероятная скорость, экономичность движений и главное сдерживают эмоции и не визжат, как поросята при малейшем движении. Даже не заметил времени как прошел поединок, скажу это настоящие мастера.
To tell you the truth, what is this? Pantomime theater? Is this battle and fighting? Where? What am I missing and don't understand?
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It's point fighting. Scoring. Not KO objectives.
Jeez that was boring.
Only been in 3 tournaments at Crystal Palace in the 70s.But too much dancing around in this.
Awesome fight
Anderson Michael Johnson Christopher Lee Jason
一撃必殺の空手がなぜ3本勝負になるんだ。だからスポーツ空手と言われるんだよ＞＞Why does one-hit kill karate have to be a three-round match? That's why it's called sports karate.
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ugh...
Ngak enak dilihat,mukul cuma sekali diberhentikan,memukul cuma sekali lalu diberhentikan
klo mau yg seru tonton kyokushin atau shotokan yg lama
ベアナックルww賞金1000万以上ないと割に合わんw
When will we see any of the Japanese champions vs the TaeKwonDo champions using their own rules. Which art does not want to engage?
Well... When will see a game between a NFL team and a NBA team using their own rules? Is all the same... Right?
Both are kick punch arts (sport), they should show how each would fight the other. You see this open point competition ( sport), but it would display how each would strategize the other art. I’m talking about high level artists not the everyday monthly tourneys. I’m not being a smart ass I have over 50 years in my art of Shotokan and I know what it is like to fight with other styles. All are to be respected.
@@nickpalise2448
Fifty years doing Shotokan style and still can't realize that Karate isn't about competition?... Karate ni sente nashi... Remember?
@nickpalise2448 😂🤡
Tatami referee is out his mind. Missing tones of technics and provoking fighters for contact. He needs to be disqualified.
get more knowledge and research b4 commenting. This is nt your typical sports karate point sparring
Eiertanz. Mach ma korrekte Karate wie in 90er....
Respektloser, ahnungsloser Dummschwätzer!
No me gustó. Se pierde la verdadera esencia del arte marcial.
jajajjajajajajajajjajaj
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Thank god for Kyokushin karate. What was this? A staring contest?
Kyokushin is great but Shotokan is about distancing management, precision and power. So you don't need to expose yourself to a crazy exchange just to make the crowd happy, it is not the point of Shotokan competition. You have to be patient, find the right timing to connect a powerfull blow that is enough to finish the fight. In competition, we have to control the strikes to the head to avoid brain damage but the judges decides if the technique was good enough to score a Ippon. Ippon in JKA represents Knockout. For untrained eyes it can be confuse but for experienced praticioners is possible to indentify a controlled technique that could end the fight if it was delivered with the intention of knockout.
Both Kyokushin and JKA use flawed tournament styles. They should both switch to an MMA model using timed rounds.
@@Philmoscowitz It is called Kickboxing. We can fight in Kickboxing If we want, don't need to change Karate tournament rules, just add some boxing cross training.
@@TiagoPortas I disagree. If you mostly train for tournaments where the referee breaks up the fight after every point, then that's the situation you're training for, not for an actual fight. Now of course MMA and Kick Boxing style tournaments are not real fights, but they're much closer to them than what we have in Karate today.
@@Philmoscowitz that's why i said to add some boxing cross training. You think in Karate we train with a referee in the dojo stoping the sparring all the time? Of course not, we train contínuos sparring, Zanshin (contínuos mind) is a Very important principle in Karate and even in competition you have to be aware all the time because the fight only stop when judge say Yame, otherwise you have to keep fighting. In Karate we have the best sense of timing, distancing management and foot work that are Very usefull for Full contact fights.
This point sparring is really silly. It also breeds bad habits that won't serve you well in a real fight. The JKA should adopt the MMA model of timed rounds. They could still keep this point sparring system as a stepping stone to full contact.
Yeah I’m sure you’re not silly yourself
No one who’s actually try to defend themselves is going to do point fighting anyway silly guy
@@kaedenryan-ye4xe That's where you're wrong.
Those guys are hitting and it’s obvious a point is not awarded unless it is capable of causing damage and did in this contest, I disagree of breeding any bad habits, it actually causes supreme defense in order not to get hit have a point given to the opponent, obviously you have never entered the ring
@@kennethrogers1129 I'm afraid it's not always obvious when a point has been scored. This is one of the big secrets about JKA tournaments (actually, all Karate tournaments that use point sparring). And I have been in the ring many times. I'm speaking as someone who's done JKA Karate for more than 3 decades.
下らねえ。(笑)
Questo è vero KARATE.
Il kyokushin è la rovina della tradizione e dello spirito giapponese. il 90%delle tecniche sono inutili in quanto portate al corpo. Serve solo a fare spettacolo e a far vedere che ci si picchia come in una rissa tra ubriaconi. Stesso cosa la ridicola e barbara MMA. Il duello onorevole è tutt altra cosa. Lo spirito del Karate è il massimo grado di sviluppo dello spirito giapponese che tende all'essenza delle cose. Niente show, niente circo, solo VERO combattimento. Un pugno, al volto. Solo questo conta in un vero combattimento. Tutto il resto sono chiacchere. Il karate non è una rissa tra barboni, Il Karate è un duello con regole, onore e disciplina. Non devo uccidere l'avversario né mandarlo all'ospedale. Devo esprimere la tecnica attraverso il controllo e il kime. Il Karate è l'arte di non combattere, anzi è l'arte di vincere senza combattere. Chi capisce questo coglie l'essenza. Nessun MMA nessun Kyokushin ha la benché minima speranza di vincere contro uno Shotokan tradizionale. È spacciato.
OSS
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